Minor Correction: Chief Mendez never wore SPI armor in Ghosts of Onyx. While it remains true that unaugmented personnel can wear SPI, as the drill instructors for Beta Company did (Ghosts of Onyx p. 89), Mendez never did. My bad!
the technical term used for that figure is "reaction speed" or something similar, but effectively it's a 66% percent reduction in reaction time, one third of normal human values
@638- predatorYT the spartan 2's are the best/strongest because they had more training and more experience than anyone except maybe the spartan 1's but that program was a huge failure spartan3's rank second for the same reason as the spartan 2's and spartan 4's were just pretty good soldiers out of the marines and odst that got advanced armor and implants... so basically compared to the other spartans they look like little kids playing with fire
Spartan IV: man back in highschool I would have never thought I'd be a Spartan my parents would not have liked this Spartan III: you still have parents? Spartan II: you had a choice?
@@Dennis19901 what about that scarab? We've all run the simulations, they're tough but they ain't invincible. Stick with the master chief, hell know what to do.
That weighs over a ton? Edit: This is wrong. The suits are heavy, but they are not over a ton. Less than half a ton, but my point stands. They are heavy.
to be fair here, as an example, its canon spartan 2's were twice as strong as a peak human post augmentation, and the armor added a factor of 5 to their speed and strength, so if a 250 lb man can easily swim, times that by 10 and theoretically spartan 2's in mark 6 should be able to swim with weight up to 2500 lbs min right?
I'm definitely going to look up everyone's reaction. It was a no-win scenario. Personally, I hated Halsey for doing this as a kid. But as an adult, I can respect her for her maternal bond for her Spartans. She had no malice towards them. If anything, it makes her a powerful character when she loses each one. They were her children.
Noble Six and Chief are supposedly the only UNSC personnel to ever achieve the "hyper lethal vector" marking according to some dialogue in Reach. and IIRC Noble Six managed to make an entire planet of insurrectionists turn on each other and destroy themselves via guerrilla warfare, though I may be wrong about that
MUJUNKY I'm not sure about a planet, but I do remember Halsey saying Noble 6 made "entire militia groups disappear." Swamp Ass Whats wrong with Palmer? She's a killing machine! Also almost forgot Romeo became a Spartan 4 too. I really want to see him in game
Swamp Ass Palmer isnt...bad. But but she aint great. It's just we dont see her do much of anything...like ever. But her time as an ODST was pretty dope. Still there are better. S-III Master-race.
Game mechanics? Idk. It does keep moving things in the game screen, therefore being more interactive and fun. But honestly any Spartan-II shouldn't have virtually any recoil in most UNSC weapons. And pretty much the same should stand for 3's.
Chris _ I like Halsey’s bias towards certain Spartans. She insults Carter and threatens to send Kat to be imprisoned, but when someone suggests replacing chief in halo 4 she starts getting worried still refusing he’s dead. It’s a weird kind of relationship, but she’s definitely like a mother to the Spartan 2s while the 3s are just soldiers
@@chiffoncakeandtea Well, to be fair. Fighting against an enemy such as the Covenant is a whole different story as child soldiers are used today. If you lose to the Covenant, everyone dies.
@@icantthinkofagoodusername4754 That wouldn't matter anyways. The Elites are on par if not a little bit stronger than Spartans. Brutes are definitely stronger and more capable of taking out a Spartan, especially by surprise. And Atriox is somewhat augmented compared to normal Brutes.
Spartan II were badasses cuz they knew that they knew that they were the only shield keeping humanity alive and thus had to put all that weight on their shoulders. Spartan IIIs were badasses because they understood they have 2 jobs, die on the field and make sure their fall to hell was cushioned by the corpses of their enemies. Spartan 4s think they are badass because they have their hip new technology.
Id like to see sarah palmer be the only one alive in a situation similar to halo 1 with her as the only hope for humanitys salvation and her realizing that "this is what john feels all the time"
I mean, considering that they’re about the same cost as a UNSC Destroyer…yeah, I honestly can’t blame them for that. Also, you forget that Halsey actually refused to have a second wave of S-IIs because she thought they’d be inferior.
I just realized...each generation has the next generation’s back. Johnson stuck by John’s back and ultimately changed a fundamental part of who he was when he died. Kurt brought forth the Spartan-IIIs and rose them to the same caliber of his class. To the point that their actions would save the UNSC. Then Jun...brought us the Spartan IVs...At least some of them are actually great.
That's standard military especially spec ops lol like literally 3-4 gens of seals/rangers/delta/berets have meets ups and even work with current enlisted as mercs. There's a certain bond you form being in combat.
I like when it was mentioned that soldiers had to “earn” their Spartan-IV armor. Really gives you a feel of satisfaction to imagine what it would be like to wear it.
Drew McAdam they barely did anything notable and ended up getting killed by the end. Any single member from Red or Blue team far surpasses all of noble team.
RabidSANGHEILI You dare disrespect Noble Team for their sacrifice? If Noble Six hadn't stayed to hold off the covenant, they wouldn't deliver Cortana to Master Chief. Yes, they died in the end. But their sacrifices will not be forgotten, without their sacrifice, humanity will be destroyed.
RabidSANGHEILI b312 (noble 6 in game) was nicknamed the grim reaper by a unnamed ONI director because whole terrorist and insurrectionists groups disappear and never to be seen again. Yeah b312 is a boss
The argument was that it was so stupid that people would believe it's real because who would name themselves that. For context, the dude found out oni was eyeing up his kid for a second class of spartan 2 so they had to disappear
Not really. A Spartan 3 with just as much combat experience is on the same level as a Spartan II. IT'S stated in Ghosts of Onyx that the Spartan 3s will get better as they grow into there argumentations and given time will be as good as the best Spartan 2s. the only draw back is there SPI, but give them the same armour the are just as good
Oliver Mendonca I agree 100%. They made it through the war without power armor or genetic augmentations and they've undergone intense training to survive the augmentations and where GEN 2 armor. Not to mention that they were chosen to be Spartan IVs after they volunteered. Not everyone gets accepted, they have to work for it, and like you said, only the best are picked.
-So, the Orions were enhanced, however many died and most went insane. Those who survived and remained in service know what the ladies like. -The Spartan-II's gained the strongest biochemical and surgical enhancements, they were selected by genetic superiority, (kidnapped) and trained to be soldiers from a young age. The process was unethical and dangerous, during which most subjects died. They were outfitted with super armor that cost as much an intergalactic warship. The risk/cost to reward ratio wasn't favorable enough and the program was discontinued. Then again, Master Chief did single-handedly save the entire galaxy several times in a row. There were few total, and most were killed in action. -The Spartan-III's were still incredibly enhanced. The process was safer and more ethical - at first. A later wave was enhanced to be more aggressive, which produced some negative neurological side effects. They were selected from a wider age range and genetic pool. They had super armor, but for most the armor was more cost-effective - thus less powerful and less sophisticated. There were several waves, but most were killed in action. -With the Spartan-IV's, at first they tried to make them innately stronger than the other Spartan generations, without the need for armor, however they all died or went insane during the process. So instead, Spartan-IV's were given milder enhancements plus some cybernetic abilities. They were not trained to be soldiers from a young age. Though they are the weakest of the Spartans, there's a shit-load of them and they have fancier armor. Did I get it right?
Yes... That is a very important distinction... The reason they never "die", in case anyone wants to know, is because if they died, they wouldn't be God's, and the covenant wouldn't cower in fear, to put it simply... I mean, if your Gods of war kept dying, your military would very quickly lose it's morale, and with every bit of morale lost, the war goes in favor of the enemy... **Edit** Also, John117's group of Spartans, only lost like totally dead and all that, 33% of his group of Spartans from the actual training and enhancement processes so the argument that they lost every Spartan almost during that period was a bit of a misnomer, as far as what I see it the fall of reach book and/or movie
Exactly, Spartan III's were given Gen-1 Mulnir armor that was just high tech versions of the standard armor, Spartan IV's were given a Cutting Edge Gen-2 Mulnir armor to even the odds with Spartan III's and Spartan II's. Each Generation of Spartans is weaker than the last but are given more versatility to even the odds.
@@bishop716 since that is the case, I'm surprised they even came out with Spartan-III or Spartan-IIII... to me I would have thought it would have made more sense to just upgrade the armor for the Spartan-II soldiers, and be done with it, albeit less of a story there... Not that I'm not glad that they didn't do it that way, but it's just a different way of doing it where you could have the best Spartans using the best technology... Although, to be fair the Master Chief probably could go head to head with any other Spartan and basically whoop their ass... At least in my opinion he could...
north wiebesick it’s not surprising at all. Spartan 3s were disposable soldiers brought on by desperate times, and 4s were a safer, less costly, and more moral way of fielding large amounts of spartans. Spartan 2s did get armor upgrades, but with the limited amount of Spartan 2s that program had to be expanded.
Spartan-IIs, they are the longest running program with only a few left. They are all battle proven and war hardened, all still working with generally older tech and augments then most of the future spartan programs. Also SGT. Johnson is a complete badass having lived longer then most any of the Spartans as well as not having used any MJOLNIR of any description.
I'm pretty sure the surviving Spartan IIs did receive Gen 2 armor, but on the Spartan IV wiki and the Information that came in the Limited Halo 4 edition, I remember reading Gen 2 armor was built specifically for IVs, so Spartan IIs who used it weren't enhanced by much seeing as their augmentations were already more advanced
Fair enough. So as it may be, having Spartan IIs in gen 2 armor, their implants and augments despite their age were and still are some of the best, or that is certainly how it seems. That is not to say the spartan IVs were no less a superb class of fighting unit. It just seems that they are still a rung above the rest seeing the events of Halo 5.
Vetren Kulitan I just hope we get to see more Spartan IVs and what they can do, in halo 6. Spartan IIs and IIIs have a decade of history in novels, games, comics, etc. I believe the IVs need more time to be fleshed out.
Vetren Kulitan On the note of Johnson. To be fair, the Spartan 1 program was the stepping stone for super soldiers. Augmentation were bad for them as it was a prototype. Heck, to cover up the problems, ONI said they were disgnosed with Boris Syndrome. While some experimented with weaponry they were given like a laser sniper rifle, they helped inspired more things for the UNSC. -The rebirth of the ODSTs, the Helljumpers. -The Spartan 2, 3 and 4 programs. -Advancing armor and weapons programs like Project GUNGNIR, MJORNIR. As well companies building exo-skeleton suits like HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL.
San Ayala so pretty much after Spartans 2's they get weaker and more cannon fodder-y. 1 spartan 2 could beat the shit out of 4 spartan 4's. 1 spartan 3 could probably beat 2 spartan 4's.
Would depend on the previous experience of the Spartan 4, Locke was almost on par with chief due to his previous experience as an ONI wetwork agent. But Chiefs experience and the fact that Locke would have usually been on missions where stealth was a requirement meant that Chief had the edge.
If you took them right after augmentations, yeah. Problem is that baseline doesn't apply from a practical standpoint. Aside from the IIs and surviving IIIs simply being better from a genetic standpoint, fact is that they also grew into their augmentations. In the III's case it was specifically stated that they'd only get faster and stronger as they got older, and if Jorge was anything to go by they'd only get bigger as well. Spartan II/IIIs simply didn't slow down with age - they only got better, and even started from a better position to begin with. Also have to consider the context of the Locke/John fight, too. It's only an assumption, but Chief was still loyal enough to the UNSC that I highly doubt he was trying to kill or even seriously harm Locke - likely just put him out of the game long enough to get away as he didn't bother doing anything after Locke's armor got, well, locked (no pun intended). Locke, though? He had his wetwork experience, sure, but I can't imagine that he was holding back given that his entire mission revolved around getting that single piece of tech to make contact with the suit, and he was perfectly willing to shoot John if that drawn pistol at the end of the fight was any indication.
I still really want to play as a standard marine, like a game similar to ODST but with expanded emphasis of being a human. Would be cool if A.I ever developed well enough to have a proper functioning Spartan as part of the marine squad, doing flips and being overpowered and badass. A real squad mechanic could be good as well, not the Guardians "squad mechanic" bs.
CPOMendez117 And that’s the biggest problem with Halo. We never see how ordinary humans actually go about their day to day lives knowing there is an alien threat trying to pounce on their existence every waking moment. If we could just be a standard issue marine that in itself could tell an amazing war story like the movies.
Take some tips from Starwars Repulic comando and spice it up with some Halo stuff, heck, as a RPG even of sorts where you recruit, train, and build a team for dangerous missions, no matter what era of Halo you choose to put that in it could be really fun
Spartan IIIs having non invasive augmentations was a HUGE leap for ONI. Noble Six was a perfect example. He performed up to par if not, above most Spartan IIs.
@@donovanmoman2555 I think the point he is making is that, with the Spartan 3's there are much more of them, and its pretty much guaranteed that at least of a few of them would be monsters on the battle field and preform much better than expected. Mean while the Spartan 2's are made up of 30 Soldiers, when compared to the 900 something that made up the Spartan 3's... There's a much smaller chance that a few of them would preform above expectations. Hell I'm pretty sure the Master Chief is the only one out of the Spartan 2's that is particularly talented at combat.
@@isaacturner197 every single one of the Spartan IIs were combat experts, it's just even the best soldiers look mediocre when compared to the chief himself
Spartan II's are the distant hope of humanity Spartan III's are the stepping stones to bridge the gap of said hope Spartan IV's are the new hope humanity made I personally love the Spartan III's seeing as how they are treated as soldiers not heroes.. we got the II's the legends.. and the IV's as the flag bearers
HiddenMelody yeah but you gotta think the II's are very hard to make and are the best of the best and been there the longest so there gonna be iconic to everyone because you need the right genetics and start as a kid in II because I think chief is 12 years old in halo 1(from what I've heard) so...think...a 12 year old kid kicking so much ass now that demands respect, and III and IV can be almost any age.
Really nice way of putting it. I started Halo with Reach, didnt know much of the whole story but after much reading I find the III's story to be really sad. Your statement puts it really well.
That One Guy Watch the video again. Spartan 4’s fell short of 2’s and 3’s. They had to develop Mjolnir Gen 2 armor to compensate for their shortcomings. Spartan 4’s would still be inferior to the previous generations though, having nowhere near the same experience and upbringing as 2’s and 3’s. Also, surviving 2’s and 3’s did get the option to upgrade to Mjolnir Gen 2 armor, so a spartan 4 has literally no edge here.
@That One Guy I know this is a month old but a bit of correction on the SPARTAN-III's, there was only about a thousand of them ever made, as each of the 3 companies only produced 300-330 Spartans, plus their augmentations were more extensive than SPARTAN-IV's but still weaker than SPARTAN-II's. The spartans were at Reach because they were preparing for Operation Red Flag, an attempt to find the leaders of the covenant, and take them out, the Spartans were never sent to Reach in response to the invasion, SPARTAN III's were mostly not on Reach, with notable exceptions being the team's we see in Halo:Reach.
I think 3’s are the best. Compared to 2’s, they’re just men in suits, much more expendable than a 2. They were sent on what were practically suicide missions, and then only the best of the best (head hunters) got their upgrades.
@@sierrachief117 Not what he meant. III's were routinely sent on suicide missions and if they succeeded they would just be rewarded with another. Rinse and repeat until they died. Most of them weren't given the luxury of Mjolnir armor either. I agree with the newfound respect for III's. II's and IV's are held up as icons in universe, most III's are just lost to history.
Ackerson always criticized Halsey for being inhumane when she created the Spartan 2 program, yet his Spartan 3 program treated their Spartan's much worse. In the books, they would train a few hundred spartans, then almost immediately send them all on a massive suicide mission with no hope of survival, wiping them all out, train another few hundred, and send them on a massive suicide mission. These Spartan's were 12 and 13 years old when they were sent on these missions. The Spartan 2's were used covertly and efficiently, staying in service for decades, while the Spartan 3's rarely lasted past a year, being used as cannon fodder.
Tbh I felt from reading both books Ackerson used that "moral high ground" to get a leg up on Dr Halsey with his spartan 3 program, he was jealous of her. Remember that part in Fall of Reach where he tried to kill Master chief in a test by giving the soldiers more lethal firarms and deployed SCORPION rockets that are guided. It's pretty obvious that Halsey did wrong in the past but Ackerson isn't nowhere near a saint either.
that and spartan 3's had like a 10% survival rate compared to 2's 44%...... with hundreds if not thousands used..... with similar augments without nearly the same genetics causing MORE errors.... but hey, 3's were orphans and weren't kidnapped, so basically it was legal so....
yeah, but at the same time, Spartan 3 save UNSC several times, the entire point of Spartan 3 is to trade lives for time. Use a couple hundred cheaper Spartans to trade for lives of billions, many planets are delayed from invasions as a result. Ackerson's idea may not have the moral high ground but neither is Spartan 2's program. Spartan 2 are prep for Insurrectionists, it just so happens that Covenant invade just after they receive their amor. Spartan 3 is prep for the Covenant, enemy that outnumber and outgunned them. Considering headhunter operations and their mass deployment operations results, they are a huge success.
Whenever they said 'Demon', they meant the Master Chief........You didn't hear them say 'Devil' meaning Johnson because they wouldn't live long enough to be able to say it.
Could you imagine if Rookie from ODST became a Spartan, Noble 6 survived reach and the both of them teamed up with chief to fuck shit up? Would be legendary.
In my opinion, the Spartan III's were the more underrated spartan gen. I mean, sure they were specially armored and trained fodder units, but the companies had active combat histories outside of Prometheus and Torpedo. It would at least be nice to hear more details from halo canon authors on what impact the III's had on the war, other than just throwing their lives away en masse for just two operations. Sure they had headhunters and teams like Noble, but still, something focused more so on Alpha and Beta Companies' other major actions would be nice.
S-IIIs had really cheap armor. Their armor did not have shields, like S-IIs. That was the main reason why S-IIIs died. Their armor was cheap and easily pierced.
Seth Houser Some or most of the SIII wore SPI armor due to cost saves and they’re used for suicide missions but some SIIIs have Mjlonir armor sets like with Noble Team
we all know that the only reason humanity won the war is thanks to noble 6's sacrifice and fining the halo. people ignore gen 3s just cuz the big green guy with his luck and blue/purple woman somehow survive until the end get all the glory and credit #GEN3BESTGEN #REMEMBERREACH lol
As far as I can tell, the writers are trying to give it a drawback in that the Spartan-IVs can rebel, and just otherwise be bad people ((Cough) Majestic (Cough)). I will agree, however, that that isn't necessarily as interesting. I do think the idea of rebel Spartan-IVs has a lot more potential than what they've done with it so far.
Because they aren't the same as any other generation of spartans. 1 - 3 were all special forces under the command of the navy (think navy seals). 4 (and surviving 3s) are part of a new branch of the military. People really overlook the difference. It's like how Space Command was under the air force but now has been upgraded to a full branch.
being taken at age 6? being fed military training all their lives till age 12? being augumented after age 12 with injections that had a high risk of death or injury? spartan 2 is where im headed
@@ClutchMonkey6969 well, unless you're still less than 6 yrs old, I don't think that is possible any more. And you have to let them kidnap you, not volunteering.
I find it rather hilarious that "unbreakable bones" tend to be a recurring theme for the Spartans, and we even see Chief FALL FROM SPACE in the beginning of Halo 3. But in the actual games, falling from anything higher than a 3 story building is pretty much guaranteed death
Spartan II’s are easily my favorites, and the strongest. Hopefully Halo Infinite shows Chief in all his glory. Not like that awful Chief vs. Locke fight...
Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented Lifeform gamma company are literally walking nukes. They aren’t soldiers but beasts set out to destroy all until there’s nothing left of them
The Spartan-1s were the ORION candidates. Halsey named her program Spartan-II to both distance herself from the failures of the past, but also to honor the sacrifices of those that came before.
I know the ORION project was an initial attempt at super/augmented soldiers. But can you name a page in any official book or lore where Spartan-1's was actually a coined name. Because I agree with the comment above, Spartan-II's were giving credit to the original Greek Spartans. Even the armor is derivative of Norse Mythology which originated long ago back in the earlier days of humanity. In Fall of Reach, one of their first lessons the Spartan 2 candidates learned from the AI Deja, was the battle of theromopalye and the original greek spartans. So repeating my original question, where in the lore does the Orion Project get recognized verbatim as the Spartan-1's?
I hope we get more spartan 3's in games, maybe spinoff titles, hopefully an ODST style of game with Headhunters. Or maybe even exploring those other Mjolnir clad SIIIs like Gauntlet and Red teams
all spartan 3's got turned into spartan 4's roughly speaking unfortunately. by far the most badass of the spartan from purely how they were raised in even harsher environments then spartan 2's.
What people don't get is that 343 intended to make Spartan fours unlikeable (at least in halo 4) because Cheif was the original outdated generation and the fours like Palmer and some members of Mejastic were supposed to be the brand new cocky soldier, basically saying we can do everything past Spartans could do plus more but since they are so full of themselves Cheif ends up being the better soldier because he knows that he's outaded but he also knows that he can't just save the entire world because he has a fancy suit of armor he's gonna have to do more than just what's required. by the way love your videos keep it up
Crippled water tank except they aren't outdated. Spartans 2"s and 3"s are superior to 4's out of armor. And all surviving 2's and 3's got the same armor as spartan 4's now they are even more superior to spartan 4's
Crippled water tank I actually really liked fireteam majestic and wish some made it into Osiris with buck leading. They did buck dirty like he should be 1 of the best spartan 4s out there but they made him look like a scrub
actually, according to the lore, after the events of halo 3, chiefs armor used nano bots to reconstruct and upgrade the armor and its systems, so he is technically always up to date
@@lonespartan100 Spartan 4s have to wear a newer suit (MJOLNIR Mark 6 Gen 2) to be on the same level as a Spartan 2 wearing an older suit (MJOLNIR Mark 6 Gen 1). More importantly, Spartan IIs were put through the best combat training the UNSC had to offer since age 6. Spartan IIIs were also trained since age 6, with more grueling training, with the intent of being sent on suicide missions. Spartan IVs were almost all adult volunteers so they are far behind IIs and IIIs on training and experience. No augs no suits, 4s lose to 2s and 3s very easily.
They are definitely not more advanced than the IIs or IIIs since IIs grew up with their augmentations since age 6 and they actually killed half the candidates because it was a mixture of Captain America serum and Wolverine Adamantium basically. IIIs best them in experience but are so expendable it hurts.
And a fucking Marvel Superhero writer made them portrayed as the most poorly trained, undisciplined fucks in the world. Its a military space opera, not a superhero story.
What he didn't mention is that the rapidly grown clones from the S2 program were sickly and destined to die soon after the kidnappings. They not only stole the kids, but they made the families think that their kids got sick and died. Not sure if that's a cruelty or a mercy to the families...
Kind of. It wasn't intentional, they weren't meant to be sickly. It's just that the method of cloning that the UNSC does, flash cloning (i.e. making a full copy immediately rather than letting it grow "naturally") was more unstable the more complex the clone subject was. Flash cloning replacement organs is fine, but anything past that tended to be faulty. A flash cloned person usually broke down and died within weeks, while a flash cloned replacement liver and lung would function just fine.
Not to mention it'd be pretty suspicious if several children died around the same time, so a few of the clones met with "accidents" before they could expire.
I just can't respect Spartan 4's. Lore wise they're alright, but in Halo 4 you're given like 6 of them and a tank and they all drop like cannon fodder marines or odst's from the other games. I thought I'd be practically invincible with a team of the latest Spartans on my side. I was mistaken, sadly. I also think they lack the trained focus of a Spartan II or III. Their "personality" makes them unpredictable. I forget his name but in the Spartan Ops missions there was that one dumbass who kept leaving cover to spray and pray the Covenant. I can't see the other generations making that sort of foolhardy mistake. That shit would have been squashed out of them when they were 6.
Delvakiir I always judge a Spartan by their armor and what it means. In the halo 4 game those Spartan IVs had recruit armor so I literally did not care because I knew they were noobs similar to multiplayer. The Spartan IV program to me means even if that person wasn't lucky enough to get the Spartan 2 training they still get the chance to prove they can be as good without it. Plus Spartan IVs get the latest tech like promethean vision.
Delvakiir Well I mean, you can say the same thing about the Elites in Halos 2 & 3. Lore wise, they're insanely great, game wise, they just have shields to last longer in a fight.
Hewkii Lore Wise, Halo is a long interesting history. For COD, I could only think of WW2, Vietnam War, any war before the 2000’s. But they don’t have a long history when comparing to Halo’s History. I don’t know, but meh your opinion.
Jan Denzell I'm not denying that Halo has damn good story outside of the games. I'm just saying that COD doesn't _need_ an extensive Halo-style lore, considering the franchise was originally meant to take place in historical or contemporary settings. Note how the COD games that take place in the future are usually worse than those that take place in the modern day/20 minutes in the future or in the past. (i'm a fan of both series btw)
Hewkii Now that is true. I so agree with you that COD doesn’t need the Halo Lore Style, both have great games and great stories. But what I hate the most currently is how both are running out of stories that are interesting. Both are great games, but also have outstanding stories. Examples are MW2 or Halo 3 these are great stories, but I don’t think COD can come back from it’s former glory. Halo has that one chance that COD doesn’t have, they better make this count. Thanks for the reply! I appreciate people that disagrees with another’s opinion, they try to understand instead of hating it and you my friend are like that. I’m also a fan on both :)
Ghosts of onyx was a damn good read. I highly recommend it for any halo fan who hasn't checked it out yet. It answers a ton of questions that most, if not all, that came before it didn't.
Kurt will always be my favourite spartan, choosing to weaken himself by choosing SPI rather than mjolnir so that team co-ordination would not fall will always be a defining moment for me.
I thought it was pretty stupid. You're not going to bust out the $1 million super suit just so you don't get funny looks? Ok, but you are soooo going to die. Still a badass to the end though.
Us Cga I guess as long as they can get them into stasis fast enough, it's possible. Technically, Linda died at the end of Fall of Reach, but the Chief put her into cryo-stasis so she could be revived later in First Strike.
@@eliassabin8564 and because Noble 6 was labeled hyper lethal and only two Spartans have been labeled that and everybody know the other Spartan is chief
The Spartan 2 program was ultimately a failed prototype. ONI funded the Spartan programs with the dream of one day phasing out their military for legions of superhumans. However, the 2s were to costly to produce, and out of 75 candidates only 35 were physically and psychologically fit to serve (not even mentioning how hard it is to find suitable candidates). So, if the program were to continue you'd be training at most 35 Spartans every 20 years. That number is ultimately unsustainable and pathetic. 35 infantrymen, no matter how capable or skilled, are still soldiers. I bring this up because, in my mind, defending entire planets from legions of alien soldiers takes more than 35 good men. The cost to produce this small group is said to be enough to, “build a battle group!" (ghosts of Onyx). The abduction of children was also pretty dumb. You're kidnapping children, and brain washing them to undergo dangerous and brutal surgery to fight against an enemy they've never met and for a society they never lived in. what the 2s are, is a billion dollar psychological and physiological bomb waiting to go off. The 3s even more so.
Ya know I'm probably years late on this comment, but after recently studying Japanese, I find the the Office of Naval Intelligences acronym ONI is very fitting. In Japanese "Oni" is a type of yõkai, a supernatural demon. Perfect name for such a organization
its mentions in the books that thanks to this, they receive better training than S2s because their teachers actually knew the limitations of spartan bodies and could push them to the limit and to act as spartans
Also against a standard spartan lll the ll's would win but the Spartan lll's who got mjolnir were the best ones there and had to survive a lot of missions and things like the headhunter program so a spartan lll in mjolnir would be on par with a spartan ll.
@@wcc4269 yeah and experience can also be countered with the fact that those spartan 3's in mjolnir had to have a lot of previous experience and also were better trained by a spartan 2
@@charcoal4742 For me its: Chief and 6 S2s and Cat 2 3s 3s 4s Thats excluding Gamma company 3s though. A Cat 2 from Gamma would probably be absolutely ridiculous but not a lot of lore on them. Also Between Cat 2s and 2s it would depend on the individuals. Like if Jun and Chief were in a sniper fight then Jun would probably body him but say hand to hand I think Chief would crush him so it kinda just depends on the individual imo. (Also this is without armor or equal armor. If 6 or Chief were in like SPI for some reason and a 4 was in Gen2 then they would likely kill either of them.)
+the d-train I like them too, but I've always had an interest in the Orion project and Sgt. Johnson's story. He was part of the first stepping stones that led to the Spartan II's and Master Chief. If you read Contact Harvest, it tells a lot of about Sgt. Johnson and his experience with the first contact with the Covenant.
I see six as a hero to humanity. Without him the fragment of Cortana would never have made it to the Autumn. He is partially responsible for humanity's victory over the covenant. Gotta give the Spartan lll's some love
Not gonna lie the Orion segment was great as that contained info I never heard of. I really do like how the Spartans go from "Super Soldiers" to the legendary II's to glorified canon fodder with the III's and now have their own military branch with the IV's. I do hope that one day we get a spin off starring a fireteam consisting of a mix of Spartan IV's and III's just to see how they'd work off each other. I also really like the detail that IV's have to "Work for their armor" with additional training. Great video Halo Canon. I have a question, what piece of lore about the Spartans do you want 343 to shed more light on?
That would actually be pretty cool. Whilst we have seen II's and IV's in action together in some form or another, we've never really seen III's and IV's working together. To be fair though most III's that are active are more or less integrated into the IV Program.
The problem with that is that there are a lot less fewer IIs than IIIs or IVs. So I would say maybe two to three IVs and one to two IIIs. Just for the sake of having the IIIs been a little more closed off or quiet compared to the more talkative IVs. I guess basically I want 343 to try to tell the story they wanted to write for Osiris in the first place, since leaked info during development said all four members didn't quite like each other. Granted I say keep Osiris around because 343 needs to keep characters around so they can improve them, not get rid of them because their first time showing up wasn't that great.
I never realised how young the Spartan IIIs are. Lucy is only 27 by the time Halo Infinite takes place, and was 19 during Halo Reach. They could easily have a Spartan III replace the Chief as the main character for future Halo content if they wanted to.
Most of the Spartan IIIs died fighting the covenant, they were sent out unprepared and with subpar gear compared to the Spartan IIs, which is sad considering the Spartan IIIs chemical enhancements became more effective over time so if more of them did manage to survive the UNSC would have been in a much stronger position when Cortana started her AI rebellion.
The Spartan program was developed in an attempt to copy Sargent Johnson. With the Spartan IIs being the most successful, though at the mere 60% of Johnsons' strength, speed and prowess while he was sleepwalking.
Chief with the help of timing from Cortana smacked away a scorpion missile that had motion-tracking sensors and proximity detonators. Let's see Locke do that.
The best Spartans are the II's. Trained for nothing but combat at extreme levels both physically and mentally from the ages of 5-7. None of the other Spartans had as much time or the connections between their respective team to be as effective as Spartan II's. Just read the books. The Spartan II's have also been in the fight since it started. The Spartan III's were maybe augmented to the same level as the Spartan II's, but they did not receive the same level of training the II's did, but went through a shorter tougher version to speed up the training. They also didn't have the same level of "genetics" as the Spartan II's. You have to remember the II's were THE best genetics the entire human occupied galaxy could offer. There is a reason the UNSC spent so much on the Mjolnir armor for the Spartan II's. It was pretty much saying that each Spartan II is worth at least a single destroyer class vessel. That all being said, I still love both Spartan III's and IV's. Noble six was The Master Chief in Spartan III form. Also, I think from a lore perspective, it's only natural to progress to the Spartan IV's. They are no longer children, but grown men and women who can make the choice for themselves. while also being nearly as combat effective as both II's and III's. I think I would go with Buck being my favorite Spartan IV though Locke is a close second. If he didn't have the ONI agent mentality I think I would have liked him the most. Also, on a side note, my favorite Spartan II is actually Linda. I was beyond excited when I saw all of Blue team was in Halo 5. I can only hope for more in game character development of the Blue team squad in Halo 6.
shawn mclean my favorite has to be the spartan 3s. Just the thought of orphans who lost everything to the covenant and were bent on revenge and went into the program seems like the best story to me. Spartan 2s are still badass and chief is godly.
Six and Chief were the only two to be deemed Hyper-Lethal. As far as genetics go, some III’s and IV’s had the correct genetics but where either too old or too Young. Buck for example.
Yea man, IIs are the best. People keep trying bs arguments and horribly misquote Halo lore to skew things in favor of the S-IIIs or S-IVs, but real Halo fans know who the best is. Some of the S-IIIs reached S-II heights, but the fact remains that the best S-IIs are unrivaled by anything else from humanity. The results speak for themselves really. Noble 6 was sort of cool, but to me the hype around Noble 6 and the Reach game as a whole was simply a way for Bungie to ensure good game sales. No way was that midget as good as Blue Team.
Ayyy same Linda was my favourite for some reason. i think it got to do with quiet personality and efficiency on the battlefield, and of course her out-of-the-world sniping skills. Like, usually, rather than replying Chief about some targets up in front, she just shoots them and that's her answer. it feels very badass imo XD Also, i love how in the lore, every Spartan II seem to have their own unique outstanding abilities, like speed for Kelly, sniping for Linda, explosives for Grace, Kurt's "funny feelings" etc
Yup, and it's thanks to those defects that were caused by the program that allowed him to survive a flood infection in the first Halo which actually ended up further enhancing his abilities.
Dude, you've got a great narration voice. Also encompassing the really important points to the spartan programs. Individualizing & mainly breaking down the specs of each program, as well as the strengths and weaknesses between each soldier. Thanks for the video!
My favorite is the Spartan III program because they were the cheapest and most disposable but still managed to match Spartan II's and IV's without all the armour enhancements and boosts that the II's and IV's had, which in my opinion shows how capable they were (or could have been) this is just my opinion though so feel free to disagree :-)
spartan 3's are basically spartan 2's without the peak human gene's compensated by throwing sheer numbers into the grinder to make spartan 2's. brutal but efficient as fuck.
@That One Guy With the exception of some, like Noble Team, who were deemed too skilled to waste on the suicide missions of the rest of their Companies, and were picked out and given proper armor.
I don't care whose better then who. I just want 343 to use characters they've already made then new ones every time I turn around. Like now they have team Omega for HW2? Halo Cannon, I think you are overdue for an updated spartan roster video again 😂 no but seriously I want to keep track of them all.
davidlindsay8937 I mean, there are bad and good things, for me, I love Omega have new Spartans that survived, the bad thing is that I want to know more about the now knowing, I just want them to expand in all matters
davidlindsay8937 omega team made a quick appearance in halo wars one there was about 6 of them I think then the spirit of fire went missing for 28 years and now only 3 remain either the other 3 died or were split off into a different team not sure but Jerome had linked up with them because he knew them and I think they are Spartan 2's the end
Kristian Andrews well yeah, but for example, since the last time halo cannon did the existing Spartans video, I think black team had been killed by the diadact.
davidlindsay8937 yeah that video needs a huge update since a lot has change with the Spartans since red team is confirmed alive and omega as well and black team being dead
You did good, especially when you mentioned Kurt's tampering with the Spartan 3 program. Since it was kinda a small detail I thought you would have skipped it. If only to lengthen the video a bit, giving an example of the results from the tampering would have been nice. For instance when one of his Spartans got hit bad and was practically just dead, but continued to fight up until the end of the battle and lived just long enough to salute kurt before collapsing. The changes made the Spartans more fight than flight when they took serious injuries, Kurt saw this as "I'd rather them go down fighting like hell rather than just going down" A reasoning he came to after seeing footage of Bravo's demise.(and maybe alpha's combined with that, it's been a million years since I've read the books)
UNSC: "Sorry Spartan III's we cant afford to give you proper Mjolnir Armor" Also UNSC: *literally makes hundreds of Spartan IV's and decks them out in Mjolnir*
I'm so confused, weren't spartan 3's deployed before the fall of reach? if thats the case then why did you say that spartan 3's were made after the fall of reach.
So I just watched the video twice and he never said they were "made after the fall of reach." Reach fell in 2552 and every date he gave in the Spartan-III segment was in the 2530s and 2540s.
As soon as the Spartan IV program came up, that Halo 4 War games music started playing and I got flashbacks of that damn bolt-shot! Although I'm glad sprint was in Halo 4, I never used it to turn a corner...
MrReyno Tanks all halo trailer as well promotional video like halo reach trailers for example is all canon. locke trailer so far is canon. As far as we know.
@MrReyno Tanks All trailers depict Halo Lore accurately. The only reason we can't do that in game is because it would change it from a shooter to some "God of War" type game lmao
I love the differences in mindset between the generations. II’s: We are the best humanity has to offer. We have to be the heroes because nobody else *can* be the heroes. It is our duty, our pleasure, and our obligation. III’s: The hinge heads killed our families. We were chosen because we are the best, and we were chosen to kill Covies. We can kill Covies, and we *will* kill Covies because we *want* to kill Covies. IV’s: *Two Princes by the Spin Doctors plays*
Minor Correction: Chief Mendez never wore SPI armor in Ghosts of Onyx. While it remains true that unaugmented personnel can wear SPI, as the drill instructors for Beta Company did (Ghosts of Onyx p. 89), Mendez never did. My bad!
How is it possible to reduce something that can only be a positive value by 300%???
the technical term used for that figure is "reaction speed" or something similar, but effectively it's a 66% percent reduction in reaction time, one third of normal human values
Halo Canon so which generation is the best
@638- predatorYT the spartan 2's are the best/strongest because they had more training and more experience than anyone except maybe the spartan 1's but that program was a huge failure
spartan3's rank second for the same reason as the spartan 2's
and spartan 4's were just pretty good soldiers out of the marines and odst that got advanced armor and implants... so basically compared to the other spartans they look like little kids playing with fire
Helios Jollywolf yeah true but one Spartan 3 noble six could go toe to toe with master chief because the both of them were marked Hyper Lethal
Spartan IV: man back in highschool I would have never thought I'd be a Spartan my parents would not have liked this
Spartan III: you still have parents?
Spartan II: you had a choice?
@JOSEPH M. Buck up boy, you are one very lucky marine
@JOSEPH M. Oh and they knoow what the ladies like
Damn🤣🤣🤣
@@Dennis19901 what about that scarab?
We've all run the simulations, they're tough but they ain't invincible. Stick with the master chief, hell know what to do.
@@sirhurricane4350 invisible?
you'd think with all these augmentations, that they'd be able to swim
The Confident Chicken ever try swimming in a suit of METAL armor?
That weighs over a ton?
Edit: This is wrong. The suits are heavy, but they are not over a ton. Less than half a ton, but my point stands. They are heavy.
31Tancos Tracey close to. Average spartan 2 weigh over 900 pounds. Some probably did weigh a ton.
samuel caldwell A ton is 2000lbs, not 1000.
to be fair here, as an example, its canon spartan 2's were twice as strong as a peak human post augmentation, and the armor added a factor of 5 to their speed and strength, so if a 250 lb man can easily swim, times that by 10 and theoretically spartan 2's in mark 6 should be able to swim with weight up to 2500 lbs min right?
"Spartan-III's were given a retina inversion stabilizer"
Carter in first mission of Reach: hmm can't see a thing
Lololol
To be honest, augmentations effectiveness depends on how it suits the script....so....
@Yoda dead practice, also used wrong.
@Yoda yet another overused saying, can you say anything original?
@Yoda
How old are you?
Never has a child kidnapping experimentation been so rejoiced like in Halo.
Read the books. No one was happy when the details of Halsey's project was figured out.
@@nPhlames Oh I meant like, the general populace that loves John and the spartans but doesn't really know the lore behind them.
I'm definitely going to look up everyone's reaction. It was a no-win scenario. Personally, I hated Halsey for doing this as a kid. But as an adult, I can respect her for her maternal bond for her Spartans. She had no malice towards them. If anything, it makes her a powerful character when she loses each one. They were her children.
What I can't wrap my head around is why they needed to kidnap any body if they already made clones of them.
@@jefferybaxter6474 That's a good point!
S-I: We have Sgt Johnson
S-II: We have Master Chief
S-III: We have Noble 6
S-IV: We have Palmer...
Swamp Ass and Locke, Buck, Vale, Thorne, Tanaka, Miller, and many more great Spartans, heck... even Romeo. XD
Noble Six and Chief are supposedly the only UNSC personnel to ever achieve the "hyper lethal vector" marking according to some dialogue in Reach. and IIRC Noble Six managed to make an entire planet of insurrectionists turn on each other and destroy themselves via guerrilla warfare, though I may be wrong about that
MUJUNKY
I'm not sure about a planet, but I do remember Halsey saying Noble 6 made "entire militia groups disappear."
Swamp Ass
Whats wrong with Palmer? She's a killing machine! Also almost forgot Romeo became a Spartan 4 too. I really want to see him in game
Romeo is doing super secret stuff. Shhhhhh.
Swamp Ass Palmer isnt...bad. But but she aint great. It's just we dont see her do much of anything...like ever. But her time as an ODST was pretty dope. Still there are better.
S-III Master-race.
I did not know Sargent Johnson was a proto-spartan, that honestly explains a lot
Yeah like how he could fire a spartan lazer
Anonymous Potatoe ODSTs were also equipped with spartan lasers - GI marines were not equipped with the system due to production costs
Imagine if Johnson lived to become a Spartan IV.
He would have been the only IV I approved of.
I Ruin Cartoons bruh
@@cxx23 Buck's pretty kool though.
I still have one question
Why can Spartans flip tanks but not control pistol recoil
DONT QUESTION THE LOGIC!!!
Game mechanics? Idk. It does keep moving things in the game screen, therefore being more interactive and fun. But honestly any Spartan-II shouldn't have virtually any recoil in most UNSC weapons. And pretty much the same should stand for 3's.
Slow twitch muscle fibres ;)
You can use your legs to lift a tank
@@badbeardbill9956 *FLIP* the tank
Spartan IV: (accidentally sticks friendly with grenade)
*JUST LIKE THE SIMULATIONS*
Is that some kind of spider?
@@myalt3019 "No, it’s not a spider. It’s some kinda… blue thing."
@@jblazerndrowzy “What, like a blue spider?”
@@y.allmight "calm down it's not a spider it's some kind of fuzzy blue pulsating thing"
@@chrismusiclover9893 Well get it off
When I first figured out Jorge was a Spartan II, I fan girled a little.
he appears in FALL OF REACH movie in netflix.
Notice in Halo: Reach how Halsey speaks to him warmly and clearly just fuckin hates all the S3s
Chris _ I like Halsey’s bias towards certain Spartans. She insults Carter and threatens to send Kat to be imprisoned, but when someone suggests replacing chief in halo 4 she starts getting worried still refusing he’s dead. It’s a weird kind of relationship, but she’s definitely like a mother to the Spartan 2s while the 3s are just soldiers
@@killerkitten7534
Wouldn't that be because III's are basically bastards of her work?
@@justiceforjoggers2897
Probably
He didn’t mention that the 298 Spartans that ‘Went Missing in Action’ during Operation Torpedo were like... 14 years old.
That's fucked up.
No matter wich war, wich conflict, wich factions are fighting: having childs as soldiers will always be awful
Most of the soldiers were actually 12, only about a quarter of the kids were even teens.
@@chiffoncakeandtea Well, to be fair. Fighting against an enemy such as the Covenant is a whole different story as child soldiers are used today.
If you lose to the Covenant, everyone dies.
Imperial Guard vibes. 99% casualty rate: VICTORY
When faced with extinction, any alternative is preferable.
“We have always played as Spartans in the games.”
Except that time in Halo 2 where you played as The Arbiter for half the game.
Aint complaining that, arbiter and chief had a good love story 😏
Pop Yes, but not ‘always’ as falsely states.
Pop I can nitpick all I want.
Pop 😂 That’s all you got? Go back to scaring Joe Biden at the pool, Corn Pop
Pop 😂🤣 Seriously, I’m laughing so hard I can’t breathe 😂😂😂
“Making their bones virtually unbreakable”
Clearly no one told Atriox.
@@icantthinkofagoodusername4754 That wouldn't matter anyways. The Elites are on par if not a little bit stronger than Spartans. Brutes are definitely stronger and more capable of taking out a Spartan, especially by surprise. And Atriox is somewhat augmented compared to normal Brutes.
"virtually" so not completely unbreakable
@@SirBigWater exactly..I heard that chief himself was almost killed by a brute too
@@bigfootwithinternetconnect2330 It was an elite during Fall of Reach near the end . I don't know about the brute one though
@@SirBigWater well shit in halo odst we were more than capable of taking out brutes
Spartan II were badasses cuz they knew that they knew that they were the only shield keeping humanity alive and thus had to put all that weight on their shoulders. Spartan IIIs were badasses because they understood they have 2 jobs, die on the field and make sure their fall to hell was cushioned by the corpses of their enemies.
Spartan 4s think they are badass because they have their hip new technology.
Sparrin Starr in
that reminds me of an old war quote. "your goal isnt to die for your country, its to make the other bastard die for his"
@@adamryan6857 I believe it was by Gen Patton or Eisenhower.
@@gagongflip389 it's General Patton
Id like to see sarah palmer be the only one alive in a situation similar to halo 1 with her as the only hope for humanitys salvation and her realizing that "this is what john feels all the time"
UNSC: “okay guys, budget’s a little tight, which program we should defund?”
“The one that gave us Master Chief?”
UNSC: *perfect*
I mean, considering that they’re about the same cost as a UNSC Destroyer…yeah, I honestly can’t blame them for that. Also, you forget that Halsey actually refused to have a second wave of S-IIs because she thought they’d be inferior.
You’re forgetting that program involved kidnapping and experimenting on children.
@@joshuawillis602 small price
@@donovanmoman2555 troll bait
@@joshuawillis602 I mean to keep earth from literally every villain o think that’s a small price
I just realized...each generation has the next generation’s back.
Johnson stuck by John’s back and ultimately changed a fundamental part of who he was when he died.
Kurt brought forth the Spartan-IIIs and rose them to the same caliber of his class. To the point that their actions would save the UNSC.
Then Jun...brought us the Spartan IVs...At least some of them are actually great.
Wow, that's... Wow good observation.
Jun is a monster anyway
Noble team had Jorge
That's standard military especially spec ops lol like literally 3-4 gens of seals/rangers/delta/berets have meets ups and even work with current enlisted as mercs. There's a certain bond you form being in combat.
*camera cuts to Chief kicking locke in the balls.... Again.*
Every class has its dunce.
I know what's better than Spartans
Jackal snipers
I loved getting sniped within seconds of spawning
@Ryland Ayers yep
Sniper Jackals classify as WMDs.
Halo 2 PTSD.
Couldn’t agree more😂
We need more games with the massive wars Spartan-III's fought in. That'd be awesome.
Reach
i think
Another reach haha
Halo Reach Two: Reach For The Stars
the battle where all the gen 1 Spartan III's took out a Covie factory and where only Tom and Lucy survived would be amazing to witness in game
I like when it was mentioned that soldiers had to “earn” their Spartan-IV armor. Really gives you a feel of satisfaction to imagine what it would be like to wear it.
Earn = Don't be pussy
Noble Team is badass man.
SuperSix4 lol no they’re not XD
Drew McAdam they barely did anything notable and ended up getting killed by the end. Any single member from Red or Blue team far surpasses all of noble team.
RabidSANGHEILI
You dare disrespect Noble Team for their sacrifice? If Noble Six hadn't stayed to hold off the covenant, they wouldn't deliver Cortana to Master Chief. Yes, they died in the end. But their sacrifices will not be forgotten, without their sacrifice, humanity will be destroyed.
ph_brony well the only one that had an effect on the story was six. Noble teams story was a retcon anyway so it kind of invalidates their story.
RabidSANGHEILI b312 (noble 6 in game) was nicknamed the grim reaper by a unnamed ONI director because whole terrorist and insurrectionists groups disappear and never to be seen again. Yeah b312 is a boss
LOL, the dude changed his name to James James
Sounds like a drug dealer's facebook profile
@@seriousgameofficial 😂 That's so true!
The argument was that it was so stupid that people would believe it's real because who would name themselves that. For context, the dude found out oni was eyeing up his kid for a second class of spartan 2 so they had to disappear
I know a dude named Jones Jones Jones
@@kadenstewart7761 I hope J3 didn't get bullied.
Clearly the Spartan II's are the best of the best
KAY9 yup
Not really.
A Spartan 3 with just as much combat experience is on the same level as a Spartan II.
IT'S stated in Ghosts of Onyx that the Spartan 3s will get better as they grow into there argumentations and given time will be as good as the best Spartan 2s.
the only draw back is there SPI, but give them the same armour the are just as good
On an individual level maybe, but the Spartan IV program is by far the most efficient
GawsHawg I like the 4s honestly.
People need to remember they are veterans from the war, men and women who survived.
And only the best are picked
Oliver Mendonca
I agree 100%. They made it through the war without power armor or genetic augmentations and they've undergone intense training to survive the augmentations and where GEN 2 armor. Not to mention that they were chosen to be Spartan IVs after they volunteered. Not everyone gets accepted, they have to work for it, and like you said, only the best are picked.
-So, the Orions were enhanced, however many died and most went insane. Those who survived and remained in service know what the ladies like.
-The Spartan-II's gained the strongest biochemical and surgical enhancements, they were selected by genetic superiority, (kidnapped) and trained to be soldiers from a young age. The process was unethical and dangerous, during which most subjects died. They were outfitted with super armor that cost as much an intergalactic warship. The risk/cost to reward ratio wasn't favorable enough and the program was discontinued. Then again, Master Chief did single-handedly save the entire galaxy several times in a row. There were few total, and most were killed in action.
-The Spartan-III's were still incredibly enhanced. The process was safer and more ethical - at first. A later wave was enhanced to be more aggressive, which produced some negative neurological side effects. They were selected from a wider age range and genetic pool. They had super armor, but for most the armor was more cost-effective - thus less powerful and less sophisticated. There were several waves, but most were killed in action.
-With the Spartan-IV's, at first they tried to make them innately stronger than the other Spartan generations, without the need for armor, however they all died or went insane during the process. So instead, Spartan-IV's were given milder enhancements plus some cybernetic abilities. They were not trained to be soldiers from a young age. Though they are the weakest of the Spartans, there's a shit-load of them and they have fancier armor.
Did I get it right?
StonedMason everything except one thing, spartans never die their files read MIA
Yes... That is a very important distinction... The reason they never "die", in case anyone wants to know, is because if they died, they wouldn't be God's, and the covenant wouldn't cower in fear, to put it simply... I mean, if your Gods of war kept dying, your military would very quickly lose it's morale, and with every bit of morale lost, the war goes in favor of the enemy... **Edit** Also, John117's group of Spartans, only lost like totally dead and all that, 33% of his group of Spartans from the actual training and enhancement processes so the argument that they lost every Spartan almost during that period was a bit of a misnomer, as far as what I see it the fall of reach book and/or movie
Exactly, Spartan III's were given Gen-1 Mulnir armor that was just high tech versions of the standard armor, Spartan IV's were given a Cutting Edge Gen-2 Mulnir armor to even the odds with Spartan III's and Spartan II's. Each Generation of Spartans is weaker than the last but are given more versatility to even the odds.
@@bishop716 since that is the case, I'm surprised they even came out with Spartan-III or Spartan-IIII... to me I would have thought it would have made more sense to just upgrade the armor for the Spartan-II soldiers, and be done with it, albeit less of a story there... Not that I'm not glad that they didn't do it that way, but it's just a different way of doing it where you could have the best Spartans using the best technology... Although, to be fair the Master Chief probably could go head to head with any other Spartan and basically whoop their ass... At least in my opinion he could...
north wiebesick it’s not surprising at all. Spartan 3s were disposable soldiers brought on by desperate times, and 4s were a safer, less costly, and more moral way of fielding large amounts of spartans. Spartan 2s did get armor upgrades, but with the limited amount of Spartan 2s that program had to be expanded.
Spartan-IIs, they are the longest running program with only a few left. They are all battle proven and war hardened, all still working with generally older tech and augments then most of the future spartan programs. Also SGT. Johnson is a complete badass having lived longer then most any of the Spartans as well as not having used any MJOLNIR of any description.
I'm pretty sure the surviving Spartan IIs did receive Gen 2 armor, but on the Spartan IV wiki and the Information that came in the Limited Halo 4 edition, I remember reading Gen 2 armor was built specifically for IVs, so Spartan IIs who used it weren't enhanced by much seeing as their augmentations were already more advanced
Fair enough. So as it may be, having Spartan IIs in gen 2 armor, their implants and augments despite their age were and still are some of the best, or that is certainly how it seems. That is not to say the spartan IVs were no less a superb class of fighting unit. It just seems that they are still a rung above the rest seeing the events of Halo 5.
Vetren Kulitan
I just hope we get to see more Spartan IVs and what they can do, in halo 6. Spartan IIs and IIIs have a decade of history in novels, games, comics, etc. I believe the IVs need more time to be fleshed out.
Vetren Kulitan On the note of Johnson. To be fair, the Spartan 1 program was the stepping stone for super soldiers. Augmentation were bad for them as it was a prototype. Heck, to cover up the problems, ONI said they were disgnosed with Boris Syndrome. While some experimented with weaponry they were given like a laser sniper rifle, they helped inspired more things for the UNSC.
-The rebirth of the ODSTs, the Helljumpers.
-The Spartan 2, 3 and 4 programs.
-Advancing armor and weapons programs like Project GUNGNIR, MJORNIR. As well companies building exo-skeleton suits like HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL.
@@GawsHawg well you got the fireteam osiris guys lol
circlejerking about finding Spartan-IVs bad is really annoying lmao
Spartans never die tho, they just fall in combat
Straight Busta yo the fuck
Straight Busta what does that even mean?
S5: What were we made for again?
nightworld4
There’s a S5?
Spartans never die....
...they respawn at the last checkpoint.
Unless Iron is on.
Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented Lifeform then its the whole mission
Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented Lifeform well if you’re playing co-op with iron like any sane person
Darnit i expected something meaningfull
@@computerassistedbiological5391 save and quit
so... a spartan 2 in gen 2 would beat the shitoutof a spartan 4 ?
San Ayala so pretty much after Spartans 2's they get weaker and more cannon fodder-y. 1 spartan 2 could beat the shit out of 4 spartan 4's. 1 spartan 3 could probably beat 2 spartan 4's.
I think all of Blue Team have been given GEN2 armor. So take the fight with Chief and Locke and you have your comparison.
Not necessarily. The extra boost GEN2 gives to the IVs doesn't seem to apply to the IIs (if Halo 5 is anything to go on).
Would depend on the previous experience of the Spartan 4, Locke was almost on par with chief due to his previous experience as an ONI wetwork agent. But Chiefs experience and the fact that Locke would have usually been on missions where stealth was a requirement meant that Chief had the edge.
If you took them right after augmentations, yeah. Problem is that baseline doesn't apply from a practical standpoint. Aside from the IIs and surviving IIIs simply being better from a genetic standpoint, fact is that they also grew into their augmentations. In the III's case it was specifically stated that they'd only get faster and stronger as they got older, and if Jorge was anything to go by they'd only get bigger as well. Spartan II/IIIs simply didn't slow down with age - they only got better, and even started from a better position to begin with.
Also have to consider the context of the Locke/John fight, too. It's only an assumption, but Chief was still loyal enough to the UNSC that I highly doubt he was trying to kill or even seriously harm Locke - likely just put him out of the game long enough to get away as he didn't bother doing anything after Locke's armor got, well, locked (no pun intended). Locke, though? He had his wetwork experience, sure, but I can't imagine that he was holding back given that his entire mission revolved around getting that single piece of tech to make contact with the suit, and he was perfectly willing to shoot John if that drawn pistol at the end of the fight was any indication.
I still really want to play as a standard marine, like a game similar to ODST but with expanded emphasis of being a human. Would be cool if A.I ever developed well enough to have a proper functioning Spartan as part of the marine squad, doing flips and being overpowered and badass.
A real squad mechanic could be good as well, not the Guardians "squad mechanic" bs.
CPOMendez117 And that’s the biggest problem with Halo. We never see how ordinary humans actually go about their day to day lives knowing there is an alien threat trying to pounce on their existence every waking moment. If we could just be a standard issue marine that in itself could tell an amazing war story like the movies.
Take some tips from Starwars Repulic comando and spice it up with some Halo stuff, heck, as a RPG even of sorts where you recruit, train, and build a team for dangerous missions, no matter what era of Halo you choose to put that in it could be really fun
@That One Guy Hopefully they take some tips from Alien Isolation, smart enemies like that Xeno are fun/ terrifying
A horror game then. A game that when you see a Spartan makes you say "Thank God we're saved"
Well there’s always OPTRE on ArmA 3
Spartan 1’s 0:00-3:52
Spartan 2’s 3:52-7:46
Spartan 3’s 7:46-12:26
Spartan 4’s 12:26-15:52
0:00-3:52 = :)
3:52-7:46 = :)
7:46-12:26 = :)
12:26-15:52 = :(
Spartan IIIs having non invasive augmentations was a HUGE leap for ONI. Noble Six was a perfect example. He performed up to par if not, above most Spartan IIs.
definitely above considering he's the only spartan to ever get the same rating or whatever as chief.
@@PantsuGod not to say much considering there where less than 30 active spartans II,
@@itsdandubs6789 I mean that’s how many survived sooo your point was?
@@donovanmoman2555 I think the point he is making is that, with the Spartan 3's there are much more of them, and its pretty much guaranteed that at least of a few of them would be monsters on the battle field and preform much better than expected. Mean while the Spartan 2's are made up of 30 Soldiers, when compared to the 900 something that made up the Spartan 3's... There's a much smaller chance that a few of them would preform above expectations. Hell I'm pretty sure the Master Chief is the only one out of the Spartan 2's that is particularly talented at combat.
@@isaacturner197 every single one of the Spartan IIs were combat experts, it's just even the best soldiers look mediocre when compared to the chief himself
Spartan II's are the distant hope of humanity
Spartan III's are the stepping stones to bridge the gap of said hope
Spartan IV's are the new hope humanity made
I personally love the Spartan III's seeing as how they are treated as soldiers not heroes.. we got the II's the legends.. and the IV's as the flag bearers
An excellent way to look at it :)
HiddenMelody yeah but you gotta think the II's are very hard to make and are the best of the best and been there the longest so there gonna be iconic to everyone because you need the right genetics and start as a kid in II because I think chief is 12 years old in halo 1(from what I've heard) so...think...a 12 year old kid kicking so much ass now that demands respect, and III and IV can be almost any age.
Really nice way of putting it. I started Halo with Reach, didnt know much of the whole story but after much reading I find the III's story to be really sad. Your statement puts it really well.
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armando gomez Chief is not 12 in Halo CE, that's ridiculous lol
Spartan 2's and 3's are the best.
Yep not to mention 4s are smaller and weaker
That One Guy Watch the video again. Spartan 4’s fell short of 2’s and 3’s. They had to develop Mjolnir Gen 2 armor to compensate for their shortcomings. Spartan 4’s would still be inferior to the previous generations though, having nowhere near the same experience and upbringing as 2’s and 3’s. Also, surviving 2’s and 3’s did get the option to upgrade to Mjolnir Gen 2 armor, so a spartan 4 has literally no edge here.
@That One Guy I know this is a month old but a bit of correction on the SPARTAN-III's, there was only about a thousand of them ever made, as each of the 3 companies only produced 300-330 Spartans, plus their augmentations were more extensive than SPARTAN-IV's but still weaker than SPARTAN-II's. The spartans were at Reach because they were preparing for Operation Red Flag, an attempt to find the leaders of the covenant, and take them out, the Spartans were never sent to Reach in response to the invasion, SPARTAN III's were mostly not on Reach, with notable exceptions being the team's we see in Halo:Reach.
I think 3’s are the best. Compared to 2’s, they’re just men in suits, much more expendable than a 2. They were sent on what were practically suicide missions, and then only the best of the best (head hunters) got their upgrades.
Yeah bro
after watching this I have a new found respect for spartan III's. That really sucks that these spartans were trained to die
Every spartan was trained to kill or be killed
@@sierrachief117 Not what he meant. III's were routinely sent on suicide missions and if they succeeded they would just be rewarded with another. Rinse and repeat until they died. Most of them weren't given the luxury of Mjolnir armor either.
I agree with the newfound respect for III's. II's and IV's are held up as icons in universe, most III's are just lost to history.
@@gascan7333 spartan lll’s elites seem like the most effective like the operational teams
Such were the times my friend. Their suicide missions saved humanity twice
@@gascan7333 3s really are most tragic, I still recall how heartbreaking it was reading about how their missions were a "success" with 100% casualties
Its sad that they literally sent most of the 3rd generation Spartans on mostly suicide mission
They kind of had to. It was either them or the rest of humanity.
It also seems like they knew it was their jobs, like how all the Spartans in Reach.
Ackerson always criticized Halsey for being inhumane when she created the Spartan 2 program, yet his Spartan 3 program treated their Spartan's much worse. In the books, they would train a few hundred spartans, then almost immediately send them all on a massive suicide mission with no hope of survival, wiping them all out, train another few hundred, and send them on a massive suicide mission. These Spartan's were 12 and 13 years old when they were sent on these missions. The Spartan 2's were used covertly and efficiently, staying in service for decades, while the Spartan 3's rarely lasted past a year, being used as cannon fodder.
Tbh I felt from reading both books Ackerson used that "moral high ground" to get a leg up on Dr Halsey with his spartan 3 program, he was jealous of her. Remember that part in Fall of Reach where he tried to kill Master chief in a test by giving the soldiers more lethal firarms and deployed SCORPION rockets that are guided. It's pretty obvious that Halsey did wrong in the past but Ackerson isn't nowhere near a saint either.
That's how politics works. The most awful people are invariably the ones who spend the most time signalling their virtue.
that and spartan 3's had like a 10% survival rate compared to 2's 44%...... with hundreds if not thousands used..... with similar augments without nearly the same genetics causing MORE errors.... but hey, 3's were orphans and weren't kidnapped, so basically it was legal so....
yeah by 2552 the spartan II's are all in their 40's
yeah, but at the same time, Spartan 3 save UNSC several times, the entire point of Spartan 3 is to trade lives for time. Use a couple hundred cheaper Spartans to trade for lives of billions, many planets are delayed from invasions as a result. Ackerson's idea may not have the moral high ground but neither is Spartan 2's program. Spartan 2 are prep for Insurrectionists, it just so happens that Covenant invade just after they receive their amor. Spartan 3 is prep for the Covenant, enemy that outnumber and outgunned them. Considering headhunter operations and their mass deployment operations results, they are a huge success.
*SPARTAN* generations:
Thumbnail: Sergeant Johnson
Me: You uncultured swine, Johnson was a god.
He knows what the ladies like, so he put Sargent Johnson on the thumbnail
And if God is love, then call Johnson Cupid
It’s said that when Sergeant Johnson stepped on the battlefield the enemies were seen running away from him.
Whenever they said 'Demon', they meant the Master Chief........You didn't hear them say 'Devil' meaning Johnson because they wouldn't live long enough to be able to say it.
Sergeant*
@@Eramidas yeah sorry I couldn’t spell there
Could you imagine if the Rookie from ODST survived and became a spartan?
He would be The hyper lethal spartan 4
Could you imagine if Rookie from ODST became a Spartan, Noble 6 survived reach and the both of them teamed up with chief to fuck shit up? Would be legendary.
@@joelfilho2625 and then locke shows up and they all kick the shit out of him and leave him buried under 600 tons of active stickies.
@@candyman9635 no.
Agent Carolina yes
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Like a good neighbor State Farm is there.
NationWide is on your side
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Arby's... WE HAVE THE MEATS
In my opinion, the Spartan III's were the more underrated spartan gen. I mean, sure they were specially armored and trained fodder units, but the companies had active combat histories outside of Prometheus and Torpedo. It would at least be nice to hear more details from halo canon authors on what impact the III's had on the war, other than just throwing their lives away en masse for just two operations. Sure they had headhunters and teams like Noble, but still, something focused more so on Alpha and Beta Companies' other major actions would be nice.
S-IIIs had really cheap armor. Their armor did not have shields, like S-IIs. That was the main reason why S-IIIs died. Their armor was cheap and easily pierced.
Gamma Company are explicitly states to be the finest Spartans ever
Seth Houser Some or most of the SIII wore SPI armor due to cost saves and they’re used for suicide missions but some SIIIs have Mjlonir armor sets like with Noble Team
we all know that the only reason humanity won the war is thanks to noble 6's sacrifice and fining the halo. people ignore gen 3s just cuz the big green guy with his luck and blue/purple woman somehow survive until the end get all the glory and credit #GEN3BESTGEN #REMEMBERREACH lol
I love the evolution of the Spartans being secret soldiers to having their own branch within the UNSC
@@Paint_Eater someone didn't watch the video...... 2s were navy 3s were army and navy 4s had their own spartan branch
“We’ve only played as Spartans”
*Stares in Arbiter
**Stares in Halo 3 ODST**
*Stares in Halo Fireteam Raven*
Man the S-II and III programs were dark
Spartan IVs have no twist, no dark secret, which makes them a lot less interesting for me.
@Ted G Yeah, that was a big theme in halo 4.
Welcome to Spartans by 343
As far as I can tell, the writers are trying to give it a drawback in that the Spartan-IVs can rebel, and just otherwise be bad people ((Cough) Majestic (Cough)). I will agree, however, that that isn't necessarily as interesting. I do think the idea of rebel Spartan-IVs has a lot more potential than what they've done with it so far.
Because they aren't the same as any other generation of spartans. 1 - 3 were all special forces under the command of the navy (think navy seals). 4 (and surviving 3s) are part of a new branch of the military. People really overlook the difference. It's like how Space Command was under the air force but now has been upgraded to a full branch.
They are a worse version of the ODSTs, at least the ODSTs have the "Badass Normal" thing going for them.
suicidal missions?
Eliminating covenant with extreme prejudice?
Almost mentally unstable?
Spartan 3 is where im headed
terrell fair Spartan 3's didn't last long at all they were sent to die and not expected to come home
Kristian Andrews thats what makes it interesting
being taken at age 6?
being fed military training all their lives till age 12?
being augumented after age 12 with injections that had a high risk of death or injury?
spartan 2 is where im headed
Being hated by everyone?
Actually Being pretty badass?
Having an actual childhood?
Spartan IV is where im headed.
@@ClutchMonkey6969 well, unless you're still less than 6 yrs old, I don't think that is possible any more. And you have to let them kidnap you, not volunteering.
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I find it rather hilarious that "unbreakable bones" tend to be a recurring theme for the Spartans, and we even see Chief FALL FROM SPACE in the beginning of Halo 3.
But in the actual games, falling from anything higher than a 3 story building is pretty much guaranteed death
Spartan II’s are easily my favorites, and the strongest. Hopefully Halo Infinite shows Chief in all his glory. Not like that awful Chief vs. Locke fight...
You mean Master Cheeks?
He had sex with a prisoner of war.
Spartan ll > all the other Spartans.
TheLoneRecon Gaming Spartan-III's of Gamma Company>Alpha and Beta Company Spartan-III's=Spartan-II's>Spartan-IV's>Spartan-I's
Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented Lifeform gamma company are literally walking nukes. They aren’t soldiers but beasts set out to destroy all until there’s nothing left of them
Computer Assisted Biologically Augmented Lifeform and 2s are the best
Actually some spartan 3s were on par with some of the spartan 2s
Except for Noble Six who was a Spartan three and Buck who was a Spartan 4.
What about the Spartan-1s?
Oh yeah, they’re Greeks
The Spartan-1s were the ORION candidates. Halsey named her program Spartan-II to both distance herself from the failures of the past, but also to honor the sacrifices of those that came before.
Halo Canon The Joke
Your head
nah, those are spartan prototypes.
Halo Canon r/woosh
I know the ORION project was an initial attempt at super/augmented soldiers. But can you name a page in any official book or lore where Spartan-1's was actually a coined name. Because I agree with the comment above, Spartan-II's were giving credit to the original Greek Spartans. Even the armor is derivative of Norse Mythology which originated long ago back in the earlier days of humanity. In Fall of Reach, one of their first lessons the Spartan 2 candidates learned from the AI Deja, was the battle of theromopalye and the original greek spartans. So repeating my original question, where in the lore does the Orion Project get recognized verbatim as the Spartan-1's?
I hope we get more spartan 3's in games, maybe spinoff titles, hopefully an ODST style of game with Headhunters. Or maybe even exploring those other Mjolnir clad SIIIs like Gauntlet and Red teams
It would be really cool to play as a Spartan 3 headhunter that managed to survive the entire human-covenant war.
JLoughlen I've always wanted a game about Headhunters.
JLoughlen hell yeah! a headhunter based campaign would be badass!
...and a reasonable excuse to bring back spilt screen. it's too perfect!
all spartan 3's got turned into spartan 4's roughly speaking unfortunately. by far the most badass of the spartan from purely how they were raised in even harsher environments then spartan 2's.
An ODST game would be nice.
I love Noble 6. Made to be a disposable Spartan like the other IIIs but he was a hyper lethal vector just like the Chief. Absolute madman
This makes me want a Halo: ONYX game, or one about the ORION project.
Loved the onyx book, think that'd be such a sick game
Halo: orphans get kidnapped for the 2nd time in their life
In halo wars 2, you can play as Sergeant Johnson wearing prototype spartan armor
What people don't get is that 343 intended to make Spartan fours unlikeable (at least in halo 4) because Cheif was the original outdated generation and the fours like Palmer and some members of Mejastic were supposed to be the brand new cocky soldier, basically saying we can do everything past Spartans could do plus more but since they are so full of themselves Cheif ends up being the better soldier because he knows that he's outaded but he also knows that he can't just save the entire world because he has a fancy suit of armor he's gonna have to do more than just what's required. by the way love your videos keep it up
Crippled water tank except they aren't outdated. Spartans 2"s and 3"s are superior to 4's out of armor. And all surviving 2's and 3's got the same armor as spartan 4's now they are even more superior to spartan 4's
Jet X Yeah your statement is completely true but I was mostly referencing Halo 4 when chief met up with The Infinity on Requim.
Crippled water tank ah, I see now
Crippled water tank
I actually really liked fireteam majestic and wish some made it into Osiris with buck leading. They did buck dirty like he should be 1 of the best spartan 4s out there but they made him look like a scrub
actually, according to the lore, after the events of halo 3, chiefs armor used nano bots to reconstruct and upgrade the armor and its systems, so he is technically always up to date
A spartan IV maybe the most advanced but they will never be as good or cool as the spartan II or III
Shelley Allan but they received just as much if not more enhancements as the others and can take them on unarmored. Nanomachines, Jack. Nanomachines
LoneSpartan35 that’s flat out wrong
@@lonespartan100 Spartan 4s have to wear a newer suit (MJOLNIR Mark 6 Gen 2) to be on the same level as a Spartan 2 wearing an older suit (MJOLNIR Mark 6 Gen 1).
More importantly, Spartan IIs were put through the best combat training the UNSC had to offer since age 6.
Spartan IIIs were also trained since age 6, with more grueling training, with the intent of being sent on suicide missions.
Spartan IVs were almost all adult volunteers so they are far behind IIs and IIIs on training and experience.
No augs no suits, 4s lose to 2s and 3s very easily.
They are definitely not more advanced than the IIs or IIIs since IIs grew up with their augmentations since age 6 and they actually killed half the candidates because it was a mixture of Captain America serum and Wolverine Adamantium basically. IIIs best them in experience but are so expendable it hurts.
And a fucking Marvel Superhero writer made them portrayed as the most poorly trained, undisciplined fucks in the world. Its a military space opera, not a superhero story.
What he didn't mention is that the rapidly grown clones from the S2 program were sickly and destined to die soon after the kidnappings.
They not only stole the kids, but they made the families think that their kids got sick and died. Not sure if that's a cruelty or a mercy to the families...
Kind of. It wasn't intentional, they weren't meant to be sickly. It's just that the method of cloning that the UNSC does, flash cloning (i.e. making a full copy immediately rather than letting it grow "naturally") was more unstable the more complex the clone subject was. Flash cloning replacement organs is fine, but anything past that tended to be faulty. A flash cloned person usually broke down and died within weeks, while a flash cloned replacement liver and lung would function just fine.
Not to mention it'd be pretty suspicious if several children died around the same time, so a few of the clones met with "accidents" before they could expire.
I just can't respect Spartan 4's. Lore wise they're alright, but in Halo 4 you're given like 6 of them and a tank and they all drop like cannon fodder marines or odst's from the other games. I thought I'd be practically invincible with a team of the latest Spartans on my side. I was mistaken, sadly. I also think they lack the trained focus of a Spartan II or III. Their "personality" makes them unpredictable. I forget his name but in the Spartan Ops missions there was that one dumbass who kept leaving cover to spray and pray the Covenant. I can't see the other generations making that sort of foolhardy mistake. That shit would have been squashed out of them when they were 6.
Delvakiir that's what's supposed to happen, ONI wanted quantity over quality with the Spartan IV program, just like the Spartan III
Gameplay IA behavior is *not the same* as their canon attitude
Delvakiir I always judge a Spartan by their armor and what it means. In the halo 4 game those Spartan IVs had recruit armor so I literally did not care because I knew they were noobs similar to multiplayer. The Spartan IV program to me means even if that person wasn't lucky enough to get the Spartan 2 training they still get the chance to prove they can be as good without it. Plus Spartan IVs get the latest tech like promethean vision.
Delvakiir Well I mean, you can say the same thing about the Elites in Halos 2 & 3. Lore wise, they're insanely great, game wise, they just have shields to last longer in a fight.
HAZOP and CINDER clad SPARTANs scare the fuck outta me. Something about SPARTANS in Hazmat gear is just a little off putting.
I like the fact how halo has a long history beyond the video games...unlike cod or any other
Elder Scrolls, mate.
Skye The Fox COD has a long history beyond the video games though... have you ever read a history book?
Hewkii Lore Wise, Halo is a long interesting history. For COD, I could only think of WW2, Vietnam War, any war before the 2000’s. But they don’t have a long history when comparing to Halo’s History. I don’t know, but meh your opinion.
Jan Denzell I'm not denying that Halo has damn good story outside of the games. I'm just saying that COD doesn't _need_ an extensive Halo-style lore, considering the franchise was originally meant to take place in historical or contemporary settings. Note how the COD games that take place in the future are usually worse than those that take place in the modern day/20 minutes in the future or in the past.
(i'm a fan of both series btw)
Hewkii Now that is true. I so agree with you that COD doesn’t need the Halo Lore Style, both have great games and great stories. But what I hate the most currently is how both are running out of stories that are interesting. Both are great games, but also have outstanding stories. Examples are MW2 or Halo 3 these are great stories, but I don’t think COD can come back from it’s former glory. Halo has that one chance that COD doesn’t have, they better make this count. Thanks for the reply! I appreciate people that disagrees with another’s opinion, they try to understand instead of hating it and you my friend are like that. I’m also a fan on both :)
Ghosts of onyx was a damn good read. I highly recommend it for any halo fan who hasn't checked it out yet. It answers a ton of questions that most, if not all, that came before it didn't.
My comment.....has been..... faved?? You've made my day ^_^ thanks!
Ghosts of Onyx was actually my introduction to the Halo Franchise.
Boy, am I grateful for that!
Wait
GameFly is still around?
hey you commented 3 months ago this vid came out in 2017 so that makes the vid 3 years old so gamefly might not be around anymore
Jesse still uses it
Kurt will always be my favourite spartan, choosing to weaken himself by choosing SPI rather than mjolnir so that team co-ordination would not fall will always be a defining moment for me.
I thought it was pretty stupid. You're not going to bust out the $1 million super suit just so you don't get funny looks?
Ok, but you are soooo going to die.
Still a badass to the end though.
RandemFellow67849 right
I didn't know the Spirit of Fire's red team were initially wash out's of the program
Nathan Price but hot damn are they one of the most badass
Yeah, it was only recently revealed in Halo Wars 2's Phoenix Logs.
Nathan Price i didnt know they could revive the dead
Halo Canon How many spartans got revived from the SII program
Us Cga I guess as long as they can get them into stasis fast enough, it's possible. Technically, Linda died at the end of Fall of Reach, but the Chief put her into cryo-stasis so she could be revived later in First Strike.
6 was and always will be my favorite Spartan.
Well hes the player and so hes you or me in my case either way we are on the same level as chief
@@william_brobrine8975 what if he means Jai-006 as opposed to you thinking Noble 6?
Elias Yanes what makes u say he’s on par with chief he’s has much better feats
@@eliassabin8564 who Chief or Noble 6?
@@eliassabin8564 and because Noble 6 was labeled hyper lethal and only two Spartans have been labeled that and everybody know the other Spartan is chief
S-II = Best
D-365 I strongly agree
D-365 I strongly disagree. S-I = best
3 Spartan III w SPI=1 Spartan II=Spartan III w MJOLNIR=5 Spartan IVs=15 ODSTs
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S-II = S-III >>S-IV without armor
S-III(SPI)S-IV (gen 2)
The Spartan 2 program was ultimately a failed prototype. ONI funded the Spartan programs with the dream of one day phasing out their military for legions of superhumans. However, the 2s were to costly to produce, and out of 75 candidates only 35 were physically and psychologically fit to serve (not even mentioning how hard it is to find suitable candidates). So, if the program were to continue you'd be training at most 35 Spartans every 20 years. That number is ultimately unsustainable and pathetic. 35 infantrymen, no matter how capable or skilled, are still soldiers. I bring this up because, in my mind, defending entire planets from legions of alien soldiers takes more than 35 good men.
The cost to produce this small group is said to be enough to, “build a battle group!" (ghosts of Onyx). The abduction of children was also pretty dumb. You're kidnapping children, and brain washing them to undergo dangerous and brutal surgery to fight against an enemy they've never met and for a society they never lived in.
what the 2s are, is a billion dollar psychological and physiological bomb waiting to go off.
The 3s even more so.
They should make a halo marines game were you be a Marine starting in boot camp and then go to combat.
Drew McAdam lol
Dying from a single quill is not fun.
imagine you get shot at and screaming and then dying with 1hk on everything would be a great goblin FPS game, you're the goblin though.
Like Full Metal Jacket
nahh a Halo rpg you start in boot camp and can be 4 things ONI operative, Spartan IV, an ODST, or a Marine
Originality and craftmanship gradually becoming industrialized and mass produced. Spartans were no exception XD
Ya know I'm probably years late on this comment, but after recently studying Japanese, I find the the Office of Naval Intelligences acronym ONI is very fitting. In Japanese "Oni" is a type of yõkai, a supernatural demon. Perfect name for such a organization
The name is a referejce to an older Bungie game that was a referende to the Yokai! TMYK
Arbiter calls chief “demon” in halo 2
tlee1235 not him but all the covenant
And as a bonus ONI is directly inspired by the Japanese Unit 731. Pretty horrible stuff, makes the Spartan II and III programs look ethical.
@@HopeisAnger dude the japanese were ruthless
S III's had the best potential to shred ground ops I'd say. They were trained by an actual spartan as well
its mentions in the books that thanks to this, they receive better training than S2s because their teachers actually knew the limitations of spartan bodies and could push them to the limit and to act as spartans
Also against a standard spartan lll the ll's would win but the Spartan lll's who got mjolnir were the best ones there and had to survive a lot of missions and things like the headhunter program so a spartan lll in mjolnir would be on par with a spartan ll.
@@charcoal4742 The Cat 2 Spartan IIIs and Gamma company, yes. The "regular" Spartan IIIs would probably get bested by a II.
@@wcc4269 yeah and experience can also be countered with the fact that those spartan 3's in mjolnir had to have a lot of previous experience and also were better trained by a spartan 2
@@charcoal4742 For me its:
Chief and 6
S2s and Cat 2 3s
3s
4s
Thats excluding Gamma company 3s though. A Cat 2 from Gamma would probably be absolutely ridiculous but not a lot of lore on them.
Also Between Cat 2s and 2s it would depend on the individuals. Like if Jun and Chief were in a sniper fight then Jun would probably body him but say hand to hand I think Chief would crush him so it kinda just depends on the individual imo.
(Also this is without armor or equal armor. If 6 or Chief were in like SPI for some reason and a 4 was in Gen2 then they would likely kill either of them.)
I cannot lie, my favorite program was the Spartan III program
the d-train same
+the d-train I like them too, but I've always had an interest in the Orion project and Sgt. Johnson's story. He was part of the first stepping stones that led to the Spartan II's and Master Chief. If you read Contact Harvest, it tells a lot of about Sgt. Johnson and his experience with the first contact with the Covenant.
same tho
3 and down for me I dont like 4
Cuz they run suicide missions?
Lel
Very informative, learned a lot. Keep up the good work.
Coolguy 95x7 wow Ethan great moves, keep it up.
couldn't give you another like because you have 117
ONI: *Creates Spartan program
Halo 2 Jackal Snipers: It's free real estate
Holy shit Gamefly still exist?!
Spartan III ftw!
(My profile pic is my spartan III commissioned)
Hey you have 42 likes ;)
They are cool. But every gen after II gets bitch slapped by any II.
lilmoris1
Won't deny it, but I still admire the III
except Noble 6, dude was as important as cheif, according to Bungie canon. :)
I see six as a hero to humanity. Without him the fragment of Cortana would never have made it to the Autumn. He is partially responsible for humanity's victory over the covenant. Gotta give the Spartan lll's some love
Not gonna lie the Orion segment was great as that contained info I never heard of. I really do like how the Spartans go from "Super Soldiers" to the legendary II's to glorified canon fodder with the III's and now have their own military branch with the IV's. I do hope that one day we get a spin off starring a fireteam consisting of a mix of Spartan IV's and III's just to see how they'd work off each other. I also really like the detail that IV's have to "Work for their armor" with additional training. Great video Halo Canon. I have a question, what piece of lore about the Spartans do you want 343 to shed more light on?
That would actually be pretty cool. Whilst we have seen II's and IV's in action together in some form or another, we've never really seen III's and IV's working together. To be fair though most III's that are active are more or less integrated into the IV Program.
Corny Grunt Well the Spartan III's weren't glorified cannon fodder but i agree with everything else.
Corny Grunt yeah a fire team of 4 or 5 with 1 spartan II, 2 spartan III, and 2 spartan IV
Yeah, my mistake, been a while since I read Ghost of Oynx. I was just trying to at least get the basic idea across.
The problem with that is that there are a lot less fewer IIs than IIIs or IVs. So I would say maybe two to three IVs and one to two IIIs. Just for the sake of having the IIIs been a little more closed off or quiet compared to the more talkative IVs. I guess basically I want 343 to try to tell the story they wanted to write for Osiris in the first place, since leaked info during development said all four members didn't quite like each other. Granted I say keep Osiris around because 343 needs to keep characters around so they can improve them, not get rid of them because their first time showing up wasn't that great.
I never realised how young the Spartan IIIs are. Lucy is only 27 by the time Halo Infinite takes place, and was 19 during Halo Reach. They could easily have a Spartan III replace the Chief as the main character for future Halo content if they wanted to.
Most of the Spartan IIIs died fighting the covenant, they were sent out unprepared and with subpar gear compared to the Spartan IIs, which is sad considering the Spartan IIIs chemical enhancements became more effective over time so if more of them did manage to survive the UNSC would have been in a much stronger position when Cortana started her AI rebellion.
I'd like a Halo game where we play from the view of a standard UNSC Marine
There's halo 3 ODST which is half way there but I agree but it wouldn't be as exciting with very limited power
It isn’t really HALO, but you can try ARMA 3’s mod of Halo. It’s pretty fun, and intense.
Every time they showed a needle piercing into the skin I wince
I feel like it wouldn’t be as bad as it looks, but the head... oh god, the head injection...
Ahh James Lee, later known as James James
The Spartan program was developed in an attempt to copy Sargent Johnson. With the Spartan IIs being the most successful, though at the mere 60% of Johnsons' strength, speed and prowess while he was sleepwalking.
Kurt Ambrose. What a legend.
Silva would have a fit if he saw all these Spartans and not a single ODST
Chief with the help of timing from Cortana smacked away a scorpion missile that had motion-tracking sensors and proximity detonators.
Let's see Locke do that.
With an Smart AI, he could
Woah, that's awesome!
But he doesn't have one, and that's the point. His gear is inferior even though it was supposed to be superior
MrAvakstone92 He couldn't. Chief has luck as well and I'm pretty sure that plays a factor when smacking missiles.
Adam Weinberg How does not having an AI make his gear inferior?
rediscovered my love for this franchize, now ready to become a nerd about the lore
Guy sounds like narrator from dual survival on discovery
The best Spartans are the II's. Trained for nothing but combat at extreme levels both physically and mentally from the ages of 5-7. None of the other Spartans had as much time or the connections between their respective team to be as effective as Spartan II's. Just read the books. The Spartan II's have also been in the fight since it started. The Spartan III's were maybe augmented to the same level as the Spartan II's, but they did not receive the same level of training the II's did, but went through a shorter tougher version to speed up the training. They also didn't have the same level of "genetics" as the Spartan II's. You have to remember the II's were THE best genetics the entire human occupied galaxy could offer. There is a reason the UNSC spent so much on the Mjolnir armor for the Spartan II's. It was pretty much saying that each Spartan II is worth at least a single destroyer class vessel.
That all being said, I still love both Spartan III's and IV's. Noble six was The Master Chief in Spartan III form. Also, I think from a lore perspective, it's only natural to progress to the Spartan IV's. They are no longer children, but grown men and women who can make the choice for themselves. while also being nearly as combat effective as both II's and III's. I think I would go with Buck being my favorite Spartan IV though Locke is a close second. If he didn't have the ONI agent mentality I think I would have liked him the most.
Also, on a side note, my favorite Spartan II is actually Linda. I was beyond excited when I saw all of Blue team was in Halo 5. I can only hope for more in game character development of the Blue team squad in Halo 6.
shawn mclean my favorite has to be the spartan 3s. Just the thought of orphans who lost everything to the covenant and were bent on revenge and went into the program seems like the best story to me. Spartan 2s are still badass and chief is godly.
Six and Chief were the only two to be deemed Hyper-Lethal. As far as genetics go, some III’s and IV’s had the correct genetics but where either too old or too Young. Buck for example.
Yea man, IIs are the best. People keep trying bs arguments and horribly misquote Halo lore to skew things in favor of the S-IIIs or S-IVs, but real Halo fans know who the best is. Some of the S-IIIs reached S-II heights, but the fact remains that the best S-IIs are unrivaled by anything else from humanity. The results speak for themselves really. Noble 6 was sort of cool, but to me the hype around Noble 6 and the Reach game as a whole was simply a way for Bungie to ensure good game sales. No way was that midget as good as Blue Team.
Ayyy same Linda was my favourite for some reason. i think it got to do with quiet personality and efficiency on the battlefield, and of course her out-of-the-world sniping skills. Like, usually, rather than replying Chief about some targets up in front, she just shoots them and that's her answer. it feels very badass imo XD
Also, i love how in the lore, every Spartan II seem to have their own unique outstanding abilities, like speed for Kelly, sniping for Linda, explosives for Grace, Kurt's "funny feelings" etc
RikkiTikkiTavi Six would smack anyone except chief.
also ii didnt even know staff seargent johnson was a "spartan". my view of him is now augmented XD.
thx guys
Third Try Gaming let me boost it even more. He was 68 in halo 1 too 3
Yup, and it's thanks to those defects that were caused by the program that allowed him to survive a flood infection in the first Halo which actually ended up further enhancing his abilities.
Imagine if Johnson lived to become a Spartan IV.
The only IV I'd approve of.
Dude, you've got a great narration voice.
Also encompassing the really important points to the spartan programs. Individualizing & mainly breaking down the specs of each program, as well as the strengths and weaknesses between each soldier. Thanks for the video!
My favorite is the Spartan III program because they were the cheapest and most disposable but still managed to match Spartan II's and IV's
without all the armour enhancements and boosts that the II's and IV's had, which in my opinion shows how capable they were (or could have been) this is just my opinion though so feel free to disagree :-)
Joe Bob They are a match for the Spartan-II's and more so for the Spartan-IV's
spartan 3's are basically spartan 2's without the peak human gene's compensated by throwing sheer numbers into the grinder to make spartan 2's. brutal but efficient as fuck.
Spartan 3s were basically huaman arbiters. Sent on missions that would most likely kill them
@That One Guy With the exception of some, like Noble Team, who were deemed too skilled to waste on the suicide missions of the rest of their Companies, and were picked out and given proper armor.
@That One Guy except for Noble Team I think, as far as the Mjolnir armor goes. But yeah, the III's were kickass.
Kurt=best spartan. Trained a whole generation of Spartans and paid the ultimate sacrifice to save Master Chief's former team. Respect.
Him and William were two badasses
I don't care whose better then who. I just want 343 to use characters they've already made then new ones every time I turn around. Like now they have team Omega for HW2? Halo Cannon, I think you are overdue for an updated spartan roster video again 😂 no but seriously I want to keep track of them all.
davidlindsay8937 I mean, there are bad and good things, for me, I love Omega have new Spartans that survived, the bad thing is that I want to know more about the now knowing, I just want them to expand in all matters
Well overdue, yeah.
davidlindsay8937 omega team made a quick appearance in halo wars one there was about 6 of them I think then the spirit of fire went missing for 28 years and now only 3 remain either the other 3 died or were split off into a different team not sure but Jerome had linked up with them because he knew them and I think they are Spartan 2's the end
Kristian Andrews well yeah, but for example, since the last time halo cannon did the existing Spartans video, I think black team had been killed by the diadact.
davidlindsay8937 yeah that video needs a huge update since a lot has change with the Spartans since red team is confirmed alive and omega as well and black team being dead
You did good, especially when you mentioned Kurt's tampering with the Spartan 3 program. Since it was kinda a small detail I thought you would have skipped it.
If only to lengthen the video a bit, giving an example of the results from the tampering would have been nice.
For instance when one of his Spartans got hit bad and was practically just dead, but continued to fight up until the end of the battle and lived just long enough to salute kurt before collapsing.
The changes made the Spartans more fight than flight when they took serious injuries, Kurt saw this as "I'd rather them go down fighting like hell rather than just going down"
A reasoning he came to after seeing footage of Bravo's demise.(and maybe alpha's combined with that, it's been a million years since I've read the books)
It doesn't matter who is the better spartan Gen, they would all destroy us irl and they are all badass
Dude I never knew Johnson was a Spartan it makes him even cooler. Johnson the proto spartan
UNSC: "Sorry Spartan III's we cant afford to give you proper Mjolnir Armor"
Also UNSC: *literally makes hundreds of Spartan IV's and decks them out in Mjolnir*
I'm so confused, weren't spartan 3's deployed before the fall of reach? if thats the case then why did you say that spartan 3's were made after the fall of reach.
I think he meant the book fall of reach, not the actual fall of reach
I'm very kate but no I believe reach was invaded twice wasnt it?
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Book > Game
Only one time with a massive fleet, a special ship and suicide mission to take out the planet defense on the surface
He didnt
So I just watched the video twice and he never said they were "made after the fall of reach." Reach fell in 2552 and every date he gave in the Spartan-III segment was in the 2530s and 2540s.
As soon as the Spartan IV program came up, that Halo 4 War games music started playing and I got flashbacks of that damn bolt-shot! Although I'm glad sprint was in Halo 4, I never used it to turn a corner...
idk If the SP IV are depicted properly in the games...hell any of the Spartan gens in each game
Robian Knight Oh yeah m8, definitely. I remember that video. Im just waiting for a Mass Effect Andromeda/MGS5 type Halo game
Robian Knight The Locke trailer, probably has no canonical weight to it.
MrReyno Tanks all halo trailer as well promotional video like halo reach trailers for example is all canon. locke trailer so far is canon. As far as we know.
@MrReyno Tanks
All trailers depict Halo Lore accurately. The only reason we can't do that in game is because it would change it from a shooter to some "God of War" type game lmao
If Halo gameplay were just like the lore, we'd get Vanquish.
at 15:08 i became immediately super happy that you put in a halo wars 1 cut scene at the end of the video
I love the differences in mindset between the generations.
II’s: We are the best humanity has to offer. We have to be the heroes because nobody else *can* be the heroes. It is our duty, our pleasure, and our obligation.
III’s: The hinge heads killed our families. We were chosen because we are the best, and we were chosen to kill Covies. We can kill Covies, and we *will* kill Covies because we *want* to kill Covies.
IV’s: *Two Princes by the Spin Doctors plays*
You’re description of Spartan 4s is stupid. Spartan 4s are veterans who are capable of annihilating tons of covenant with ease
Where is the "god mode" enhancement for Sargent Johnson?