0:51 Audrey delivers this line perfectly. All she asks is "Why are you saying all of this?" but the furrowed brow, closed eyes, the whisper implies that she already knows the answer. Great acting.
It's a shame that so many young gay people know nothing about this film. I saw it for the first time on TV when it was less than ten years old (and I was 15); it was quite stunning to say the least. Still one of my all-time favorites.
+Simon5005 I actually struggled to watch this film. It is just so bad that one little lie came out and adults weren't willing to make sure it was true before they branded them as such.
To this day it still amazes me that Audrey Hepburn and Shirley Maclain did this movie during those times. How beautiful! Once I saw Audrey in this movie and saw that she could do a movie with this message, I loved her even more. They were ahead of their times. I love this movie. ❤️
"Listen to me! I have loved you the way they said!" This film was made in 1961. But Lillian Hellman wrote and released "The Children's Hour" in 1934, when homosexuality was considered even more serious to mention. The play must have been really sensational when it debuted in the 30s. And the closeup of Audrey Hepburn's expression is stunning; it would not be in the film without her amazing acting.
Unfortunately, I have been in Shirley Maclaine's character's position before. You not only loathe the fact that this person could never love you in the way that you want them to, but you also loathe the fact that you are in love with them to begin with. Words can't express that feeling.
Schopenhauer was right: you can do what you want, but you can’t want what you want. Martha can’t help being romantically attracted to Karen...it’s just tragic what she wanted was socially unacceptable at the time.
sad. just sad. why loath yourself because you love somebody. Shirley Maclaine later said that she and Audrey never talked about it and she felt sorry for not doing so.
Absolutely agree. You see what a great actress she was. Acting without saying a word. You could hardly take your eyes off her in this scene. All eyes are on 'Karen'.
@@plasticweapon i would agree with the others. maclaine was good in this scene, but to me hepburn's facial expressions and lines delivery was just perfect, zero flaw.
This has got to be one of the most emotionally draining scenes ever written. And from the moment the one character utters her "confession," you just know it's not going to end well for her. It's just a thoroughly devistating scene!
egeo03- If you can call that trial by fire hope... ...Okay! I thought the whole thing wasn't about hope so much, as it was an indictment of negative group dynamics, the consequences of injustice, and in the end, a story of "survival," though at a fairly large cost!
Absolutely! Hepburn's response to McClaine's pain was PERFECT! Just beautiful! I think this is something only a gay person can really, truly understand though.
Two Hollywood legend at the height of their powers. Both demonstrating why they are the legendary figures they are. So many current Hollywood types could learn a full set of encyclopaedias’ worth from watching Shirley and Audrey or almost anyone from that era of cinema.
This movie (and The Sergeant 1968 Rod Steiger) floors me every time I see it. There are some amazing shots all throughout the movie. The whole thing is perfect.
Every time I watch The Children's Hour, I just have to see "Imagine Me & You" just cheer up. The performances given by both actresses during the film are so good; that the ending is beyond depressing with Martha actions after this scene.
What makes this scene even more tragic is the fact that despite homosexuality not being accepted, Martha still couldn't be with Karen because Karen wasn't in love with her. Even in the most tolerant world, she couldn't have what she wanted.
I realize the codes of the day didn't want this relationship made explicit in the film. Believe it or not, I strongly believe it has much more power as depicted in the 1961 picture and illuminates the relationship between these two far more powerfully that if it was spelled out with no ambiguity. Sometimes in the world of film making, the illusion to or of something sends a more powerful message that would lack this power if it was done so directly as it certainly would be in 2019.
The Children's Hour...an amazing film,perfectly cast and this scene is just one of many powerful and emotionally devastating scenes.The expression of sadness and helplessness in Audrey Hepburn's eyes seeing how her friend is in such turmoil and pain still reduces me to tears regardless of how many times I've seen it..
Someone needs to tell me why Shirley MacLaine did not get the Best Actress award that year. Her performance in Children's Hour was very worthy of the statue!
The film was very good but the audience and Hollywood of the era had just loosened the Code era's grip and had begun to blossom freely. I so not recall the first film where homosexuality was openly mentioned but probably it was "Midnight Cowboy".
Because Elizabeth Taylor had life threatening surgery that year and she won best actress for a bad film as a sympathy vote. Shirley has said she lost out to Elizabeth Taylor and her Tracheotomy LOL. There is always politics involves in these things I guess.
Falling in love is a very magical emotion, especially when you are very young. You will always remember the first time you fell in love.For me it was at the age of 14.We didn't even do anything physical . You may fall in love later in life but it wont be the same.
My comment mirrors exactly what you said about Audrey's expression..you feel the pain and sadness her eyes convey..it's amazing to watch and heartbreaking too.
Great cast but this had to be one of the most depressing films I've ever seen. I don't always need a happy ending but this one left me bummed out beyond belief!
I was very little when I watched this for the first time and tho I understood it somewhat, I didn’t totally see just how sad it really is. But I’ve also seen many films with sad endings like this and tho I like happy, I also like the sad cuz not everything in real life has a happy ending.
When you have this same exact conversation with your best friend not a week before and RUclips sends you this scene... ouch.. At least Aubrey’s character seemed sad...My best friend was just angry at me for my feelings..it hurts to find out they will ever love me the way I needed them to. It hurts to find out they never really cared about me in any aspect considering she refuses to even acknowledge my existence.. it hurts especially because I thought they were so important in my life. I was ok with being friends but they threw that away like it was nothing.
I AM GOING THROUGH THE SAME EXACT THING. It's very upsetting. I hope you're okay. This happened in June and I'm still completely devastated by it everyday I'm reminded.
I want to show this movie to the kids in the Gay-Straight Alliance club at my school. BTW, let's not forget Karen Balkin's performance as bratty Mary. She was brilliant as well.
I've always liked James Garner and only found out about this movie because of and interview James Garner did on Charlie Rose when he talked about having been in a movie by William Wyler of whom he had great respect for as a director, that and the fact that I adore Audrey Hepburn and Shirley MacLaine. Great actors all.
i’m playing Martha Dobie in my school’s production of The Children’s Hour... this is so hard emotionally for me to convey because i am a bisexual person and have been comfortably out for 5 years now. Going back to the mindset that it’s wrong or disgusting hurts me, but it’s so hard to convey that and change my mentality.
Weet je, hier zie je ware vriendschap, liefde en vooral tact tegenover elkaar. En op het laatst al het leed en spijt van de grootmoeder die denkt met o.a. geld alles terug te draaien. Koek en ei ? Nee helemaal niet. " I never loved a man " . It gets me everytime.
Een ware liefde voor 1 van de 2 de eindigt in een zelfmoord omdat ze zichzelf zo smerig voelt over haar gevoelens. Deze film maakt me altijd triest. Dat er zo toen over gedacht werd
This movie hurts. Maybe not in the time it was made, but certainly nowadays. Shirley McLaine feels so awfull about her feelings toward the Audrey Hepburn character that she commits suicide. Not to be imagined these days, thank God. Now you must really be a nut not to feel something when watching Audrey Hepburn - beeing male or female. But tragically during that time it was such a shamefull, horrible thing to feel that the only thing you could do was what Shirley McLaine did. Sad movie. In many ways.
It would be melodrama but the actors get the predicament and its almost a therapy in there interaction. Almost therapy because tragedy and catharsis are social not yet personal then so someone must die to give it weight with the Audience. and die. I Saw it when I was about fifteen completely blown away. Can actors do that? Well not often at all. But here it still gets me.
They used a Scene from this Movie in If These Walls Could Talk where they showed Lesbianism and how it affected Three Generations of Women from the 1960's, 1970's and then the 1990's. Abby lived with her Companion Paula for 30 Years from 1932-1962 who died after falling off of a Ladder. It was Southern California and she came out o fit with nothing. Instead Paula's Family took everything and poor Abby came out of it with nothing. Co-Incidentally A Single Man Starring Colin Firth also took place in Southern California in 1962.
Out of all the scenes in the film and I can't even find one scene, the part that takes place before this I think. Where Mary's lie is finally found out. The only other thing I wish to know is how do you even begin to punish a girl like that for something this bad.
You couldn't. She would have to live with the consequences of the teacher's suicide for the rest of her life, although it would probably be a few years before she finally felt the full weight of her actions.
You should remember, Mary has a rich grandma and that grandma is going to fix her GOOD, maybe send her to a very strict school. Also, take away her inheritance (she's probably her only grandchild).
We all feel love, it can be one way or another and it does not matter in respect of the person we are! I am heterosexual, yet it does not cross my mind that an omosexual (male or female) cannot love in the same way I do. People do not judge me if I like women, so I do not judge if someone likes same sex people. I think the world is a better place thanks to such variety!
Thank God it is that way now . In those days, when you had those feelings like Shirley McLaine did towards Audrey Hepburn, the movie ended with Shirley McLaine hanging herself because she felt so dirty.
+Deuteragonist it was strange, our director was very fond of time pieces, so she got on our asses about posture and being very proper. It was definitely a lot of work and something went wrong on every show night lol. Also the girl who played Karen absolutely hated my guts so that made things awkward. And if you're Mary be ready to have a lot of really short lines and you'll have a lot of cues from everybody, especially the tail end of Act 2
+Trevor Carrigan I see. My instructor is actually like that as well with the girls who play Martha, Karen, and Agatha, haha. Yes, I do like the short lines! Though the cue lines can be difficult, especially if anyone in my scene leaves off a part of the last sentence. (And the fact that I am terrible at cue lines in general and prefer monologues.) It is interesting so far.
Actually I think in the original play they move out and go live together (the two of them only) somewhere else... that leaves some hope for you there ;) hollywood thought that would be too gay I guess, ha!
The author of the play, Lillian Hellman, has said the play is NOT about lesbians, its about a LIE. I think what Martha loves is the school itself, Karen is planning to get married soon at the beginning of the movie and the school is finally doing very well and Martha is afraid her marriage will get everything messed up.
It's clearly about BOTH. Take it from a lesbian, that scene could only have been written by someone who has been through those feelings, like most of us older lesbians have.
+Sandra Shevey seriously, chill. you've commented like 5 times on this video. and for a group of people who are apparently controlling hollywood's "agenda", the gays don't have a lot of representation in the media. and think about all the homosexuals brainwashed by straights passing as homosexuals in media.
+lzmunch Yeah well even Yoko Ono has come out recently about John Lennon`s `homosexual tendencies`. From Rock Hudson to John Lennon and well before homosexuals passed as straight in Hollywood and used women as `beards`. The one I feel sorriest for is Phyllis Gates as she was roped into a gay marriage to one of Hollywood`s mega sex symbols. She was forever tied the myth and to maintaining it. Even Larry King led her into a scenario where she admitted that they had had relations etc. Of course King should have queried but he wanted to placate the myth too. She did manage to say though that she was bullied and blackmailed and forced to say things in support of the myth which were untrue. Apparently her personal life until death was forever manipulated and managed. She died broke, never re-married. Sad but true.
O please! You were brainwashed……? 1 in every 10 is gay - male of female. It's a fact. Get used to it. And accept it. We are all around you. And you better get used to it. The time of given comments like these are not accepted anymore.
@@lzmunch Gays have a great deal of power if not representation. But this is by choice. The same can be said about Jews. There was and is very little Jewish representation in films but there WAS (not so much now) alot of power. Ross Hunter, Tony Perkins, Tab Hunter, Marlene Dietrich many others were working out of a cabal that denominated behaviour and representation. The only ones who today seem to have come out of it are Black people. Women are still struggling, so are gays (with overt representation) so are Jews.
I feel Martha should have paid more attention to the worth of each word rather than let fake crying carry the scene. I didn't shed a tear when I portrayed her and I feel slowing down the delivery and only breaking my voice on certain lines added more power. In fact my Karen didn't carry that scene because I did. Karen never leaves the stage in the third act so I felt that I owed it to my coworker to carry at least that.
I think if you had lives the lie for so long and then had the chance to deal with it on your own terms taken away so brutally, it would absolutely destroy you
SHIRLEY MACLAINE said in an interview she didn`t think her character (`Martha`)would have submitted but would have fought for her body preference. Fact is Shirley the case on which Hellman based the play refutes the facts as laid out by Hellman. The two women teachers, Scottish, were lesbians and slept with the students in the same beds. The students were complicit but one complained, Neither lesbian killed herself after the court case. The way I read it is that Hollywood and America too make a fetish out of homosexuality and lesbianism. Jews take crap from the System. Communists and liberal writers take crap. But homosexuals and lesbians get films made which make them `sacred cows`. I interviewed MacLaine in the Seventies. I asked her about `Being There` and the masturbation scene. She said she didn`t think they went far enough. I think she herself has come out as bisexual. I don`t know if a lover was Elizabeth Taylor but fact is most of Hollywood sex symbols have been gay. It`s an inside joke, not funny for us however.
Shirley MacLaine breaks my heart every time with this scene.
exactly, it makes me want to cry, so tragic, such amazing acting
0:51 Audrey delivers this line perfectly. All she asks is "Why are you saying all of this?" but the furrowed brow, closed eyes, the whisper implies that she already knows the answer. Great acting.
I don't think she knows at that point
It's a shame that so many young gay people know nothing about this film. I saw it for the first time on TV when it was less than ten years old (and I was 15); it was quite stunning to say the least. Still one of my all-time favorites.
+Simon5005 I actually struggled to watch this film. It is just so bad that one little lie came out and adults weren't willing to make sure it was true before they branded them as such.
To this day it still amazes me that Audrey Hepburn and Shirley Maclain did this movie during those times. How beautiful! Once I saw Audrey in this movie and saw that she could do a movie with this message, I loved her even more. They were ahead of their times. I love this movie. ❤️
"Listen to me! I have loved you the way they said!"
This film was made in 1961. But Lillian Hellman wrote and released "The Children's Hour" in 1934, when homosexuality was considered even more serious to mention. The play must have been really sensational when it debuted in the 30s. And the closeup of Audrey Hepburn's expression is stunning; it would not be in the film without her amazing acting.
This film is so underrated! Audrey and Shirley were such a great actresses.
how did you know it was underrated? you were probably not even born yet when this movie hit the cinema.
@@thedbq1 He was 45 when the film came out
@@thedbq1 You. They were saying you weren’t even born when you are older than walking but I stood up for you.
Unfortunately, I have been in Shirley Maclaine's character's position before. You not only loathe the fact that this person could never love you in the way that you want them to, but you also loathe the fact that you are in love with them to begin with. Words can't express that feeling.
Knowing the fact, the person you love doesn't love you back is one thing but knowing the fact that they belong to someone else, kills you.
Schopenhauer was right: you can do what you want, but you can’t want what you want. Martha can’t help being romantically attracted to Karen...it’s just tragic what she wanted was socially unacceptable at the time.
Jaii Rela Anyone who has been in love with someone who is married has the same feelings you have had.
♡
sad. just sad. why loath yourself because you love somebody. Shirley Maclaine later said that she and Audrey never talked about it and she felt sorry for not doing so.
This scene was always so hard to watch. I absolutely love this movie.
Hepburn carried that scene and with very few words.
Absolutely agree. You see what a great actress she was. Acting without saying a word. You could hardly take your eyes off her in this scene. All eyes are on 'Karen'.
I think they're both brilliant but I totally feel how genuine audrey is, trying to comfort her friend and struggling to know how ♡
she didn't "carry" the scene! it's maclaine's scene!
@@plasticweapon i would agree with the others. maclaine was good in this scene, but to me hepburn's facial expressions and lines delivery was just perfect, zero flaw.
This has got to be one of the most emotionally draining scenes ever written. And from the moment the one character utters her "confession," you just know it's not going to end well for her. It's just a thoroughly devistating scene!
This is really powerful acting by Shirley MacLaine.
This might be the best acting I've ever seen conveyed by two women before in my life.
So many people miss the subtleties in this film. All they remember is the end, and Martha's shame. Hepburn's performance is the hope in this film.
egeo03- If you can call that trial by fire hope...
...Okay!
I thought the whole thing wasn't about hope so much, as it was an indictment of negative group dynamics, the consequences of injustice, and in the end, a story of "survival," though at a fairly large cost!
Egeo03 is very correct!
Absolutely! Hepburn's response to McClaine's pain was PERFECT! Just beautiful! I think this is something only a gay person can really, truly understand though.
Audrey was so beautiful!
Ohh... Audrey Hepburn was so perfect... ❤️
I just wanted to give her a hug at the end when the tear was falling down her face... she's so beautiful and so sad... Shirley maclaine too ♡
Two Hollywood legend at the height of their powers. Both demonstrating why they are the legendary figures they are. So many current Hollywood types could learn a full set of encyclopaedias’ worth from watching Shirley and Audrey or almost anyone from that era of cinema.
One of my favorite scene. Always make me sad.
If Shirley didn't get an Oscar for this, what an injustice. This is advanced Philosophy of Love well-written and wonderfully acted .
This movie (and The Sergeant 1968 Rod Steiger) floors me every time I see it. There are some amazing shots all throughout the movie. The whole thing is perfect.
This film is so ahead of its time...
Every time I watch The Children's Hour, I just have to see "Imagine Me & You" just cheer up. The performances given by both actresses during the film are so good; that the ending is beyond depressing with Martha actions after this scene.
O yeah. Now they kiss and prepare to make a life together Then one of them had to hang herself. This movie always makes me so damn sad.
Love Imagine me and you!
I love Shirley MacLaine!
What makes this scene even more tragic is the fact that despite homosexuality not being accepted, Martha still couldn't be with Karen because Karen wasn't in love with her. Even in the most tolerant world, she couldn't have what she wanted.
So sadly that Audrey has left us too soon
I realize the codes of the day didn't want this relationship made explicit in the film. Believe it or not, I strongly believe it has much more power as depicted in the 1961 picture and illuminates the relationship between these two far more powerfully that if it was spelled out with no ambiguity. Sometimes in the world of film making, the illusion to or of something sends a more powerful message that would lack this power if it was done so directly as it certainly would be in 2019.
OMG Amazing writing, amazing performance!
The Children's Hour...an amazing film,perfectly cast and this scene is just one of many powerful and emotionally devastating scenes.The expression of sadness and helplessness in Audrey Hepburn's eyes seeing how her friend is in such turmoil and pain still reduces me to tears regardless of how many times I've seen it..
Omg i have 15 years old and i love this movie Shirley and Audrey Was so incredible
Someone needs to tell me why Shirley MacLaine did not get the Best Actress award that year. Her performance in Children's Hour was very worthy of the statue!
lovecuthbert- Happy to tell you. Because she wasn't nominated for it!
Because while her acting is great in this scene, it wasn't in the rest of the movie.
The film was very good but the audience and Hollywood of the era had just loosened the Code era's grip and had begun to blossom freely. I so not recall the first film where homosexuality was openly mentioned but probably it was "Midnight Cowboy".
Because Elizabeth Taylor had life threatening surgery that year and she won best actress for a bad film as a sympathy vote. Shirley has said she lost out to Elizabeth Taylor and her Tracheotomy LOL. There is always politics involves in these things I guess.
Falling in love is a very magical emotion, especially when you are very young. You will always remember the first time you fell in love.For me it was at the age of 14.We didn't even do anything physical . You may fall in love later in life but it wont be the same.
Whelp time to go cry forever
My comment mirrors exactly what you said about Audrey's expression..you feel the pain and sadness her eyes convey..it's amazing to watch and heartbreaking too.
my drama teacher is doing this play...I think I oughta send it to her...
Great cast but this had to be one of the most depressing films I've ever seen. I don't always need a happy ending but this one left me bummed out beyond belief!
I was very little when I watched this for the first time and tho I understood it somewhat, I didn’t totally see just how sad it really is. But I’ve also seen many films with sad endings like this and tho I like happy, I also like the sad cuz not everything in real life has a happy ending.
When you have this same exact conversation with your best friend not a week before and RUclips sends you this scene... ouch.. At least Aubrey’s character seemed sad...My best friend was just angry at me for my feelings..it hurts to find out they will ever love me the way I needed them to. It hurts to find out they never really cared about me in any aspect considering she refuses to even acknowledge my existence.. it hurts especially because I thought they were so important in my life. I was ok with being friends but they threw that away like it was nothing.
I AM GOING THROUGH THE SAME EXACT THING. It's very upsetting. I hope you're okay. This happened in June and I'm still completely devastated by it everyday I'm reminded.
It's so touching my feeling...
How did Shirley not get a nomination for this scene alone?
What do you mean?
Hello from Australia. I have read this play many times. I've seen the film many times. wow! All I can say is wow!
I want to show this movie to the kids in the Gay-Straight Alliance club at my school. BTW, let's not forget Karen Balkin's performance as bratty Mary. She was brilliant as well.
+Lil'RedCorvette022 I hear some people feel so much hate to her they want to strangle her, and who could blame them.
I believe it!
Yeah she reaffirms my observation that kids can be very bad and evil
I remember feeling horrible for the grandma in the end. She felt so bad 😪
I've always liked James Garner and only found out about this movie because of and interview James Garner did on Charlie Rose when he talked about having been in a movie by William Wyler of whom he had great respect for as a director, that and the fact that I adore Audrey Hepburn and Shirley MacLaine. Great actors all.
i’m playing Martha Dobie in my school’s production of The Children’s Hour... this is so hard emotionally for me to convey because i am a bisexual person and have been comfortably out for 5 years now. Going back to the mindset that it’s wrong or disgusting hurts me, but it’s so hard to convey that and change my mentality.
Weet je, hier zie je ware vriendschap, liefde en vooral tact tegenover elkaar. En op het laatst al het leed en spijt van de grootmoeder die denkt met o.a. geld alles terug te draaien. Koek en ei ? Nee helemaal niet.
" I never loved a man " . It gets me everytime.
I'm so excited to do this scene for I.Es at my school! I get to play Shirley MacLaine. I can't wait
Dit is de essentie van ware liefde. Een toen nog verboden liefde.
Een ware liefde voor 1 van de 2 de eindigt in een zelfmoord omdat ze zichzelf zo smerig voelt over haar gevoelens. Deze film maakt me altijd triest. Dat er zo toen over gedacht werd
CHOPPING ONIONS!!!!!!!! 😭
This movie hurts. Maybe not in the time it was made, but certainly nowadays. Shirley McLaine feels so awfull about her feelings toward the Audrey Hepburn character that she commits suicide. Not to be imagined these days, thank God. Now you must really be a nut not to feel something when watching Audrey Hepburn - beeing male or female. But tragically during that time it was such a shamefull, horrible thing to feel that the only thing you could do was what Shirley McLaine did. Sad movie. In many ways.
So. Many. FEELINGS!
i can feel it ..
It would be melodrama but the actors get the predicament and its almost a therapy in there interaction. Almost therapy because tragedy and catharsis are social not yet personal then so someone must die to give it weight with the Audience. and die. I Saw it when I was about fifteen completely blown away. Can actors do that? Well not often at all. But here it still gets me.
You're lucky to have seen it at all! I wanted to so badly!
They used a Scene from this Movie in If These Walls Could Talk where they showed Lesbianism and how it affected Three Generations of Women from the 1960's, 1970's and then the 1990's. Abby lived with her Companion Paula for 30 Years from 1932-1962 who died after falling off of a Ladder. It was Southern California and she came out o fit with nothing. Instead Paula's Family took everything and poor Abby came out of it with nothing. Co-Incidentally A Single Man Starring Colin Firth also took place in Southern California in 1962.
This is not "Breakfast At Tiffany's"!
Intense performances from both Hepburn and Maclaine!
This is way better than Tiffany
Wonderful movie with excellent actors. From Russia with love
If I was martha n ofcos I fall in love with gorjes Audrey too..
My favorite scene in any movie ever
but how about "the good the bad and the ungly" final duel?
Out of all the scenes in the film and I can't even find one scene, the part that takes place before this I think. Where Mary's lie is finally found out. The only other thing I wish to know is how do you even begin to punish a girl like that for something this bad.
She deserves to be punished.
You couldn't. She would have to live with the consequences of the teacher's suicide for the rest of her life, although it would probably be a few years before she finally felt the full weight of her actions.
You should remember, Mary has a rich grandma and that grandma is going to fix her GOOD, maybe send her to a very strict school. Also, take away her inheritance (she's probably her only grandchild).
Amazing feeling, truely beautiful😍😘😇
I'm crying😭😭😭
Shirley beautiful forever best actress the world!
All replies are mine not Sara`s. We are sharing a computer at the moment. Sorry for any confusion.
this film gives you mixed emotion, being annoying in the kid, and sadness crying, its really depressing movie i've ever watched
Wow!
this movie is so prevelabt in today's world
We all feel love, it can be one way or another and it does not matter in respect of the person we are! I am heterosexual, yet it does not cross my mind that an omosexual (male or female) cannot love in the same way I do. People do not judge me if I like women, so I do not judge if someone likes same sex people. I think the world is a better place thanks to such variety!
Thank God it is that way now . In those days, when you had those feelings like Shirley McLaine did towards Audrey Hepburn, the movie ended with Shirley McLaine hanging herself because she felt so dirty.
Why the title was the loudest Whisper in some countries?
Only in UK
@angerock49 no, they dont.
Omg
Who do you love mostly out of these two?
Audrey of course not even close.
Both
what act and scene is this?!
Act three, after Dr. Cardin's final exit. We're doing a school production and I got the part of Cardin :3
+Trevor Carrigan How did that play go? I was recently cast as Mary in my own school play, haha. I love to hear about different renditions of the play.
+Deuteragonist it was strange, our director was very fond of time pieces, so she got on our asses about posture and being very proper. It was definitely a lot of work and something went wrong on every show night lol. Also the girl who played Karen absolutely hated my guts so that made things awkward. And if you're Mary be ready to have a lot of really short lines and you'll have a lot of cues from everybody, especially the tail end of Act 2
+Trevor Carrigan I see. My instructor is actually like that as well with the girls who play Martha, Karen, and Agatha, haha. Yes, I do like the short lines! Though the cue lines can be difficult, especially if anyone in my scene leaves off a part of the last sentence. (And the fact that I am terrible at cue lines in general and prefer monologues.) It is interesting so far.
Deuteragonist
Who of this ladies is Shirley MacLaine?
The blonde
Sandra. Get help.
+Kevin Simmons huh?
Fuck you. 🖕
How you spell hystrionics? Melodrama over a stolen bracelet
Actually I think in the original play they move out and go live together (the two of them only) somewhere else... that leaves some hope for you there ;) hollywood thought that would be too gay I guess, ha!
I am **** sorry :/
The author of the play, Lillian Hellman, has said the play is NOT about lesbians, its about a LIE. I think what Martha loves is the school itself, Karen is planning to get married soon at the beginning of the movie and the school is finally doing very well and Martha is afraid her marriage will get everything messed up.
It's clearly about BOTH. Take it from a lesbian, that scene could only have been written by someone who has been through those feelings, like most of us older lesbians have.
And I was raised in America where I was brainwashed by homosexuals passing as straight in areas of education, cinema, fashion etc.
+Sandra Shevey seriously, chill. you've commented like 5 times on this video. and for a group of people who are apparently controlling hollywood's "agenda", the gays don't have a lot of representation in the media. and think about all the homosexuals brainwashed by straights passing as homosexuals in media.
+lzmunch Yeah well even Yoko Ono has come out recently about John Lennon`s `homosexual tendencies`. From Rock Hudson to John Lennon and well before homosexuals passed as straight in Hollywood and used women as `beards`. The one I feel sorriest for is Phyllis Gates as she was roped into a gay marriage to one of Hollywood`s mega sex symbols. She was forever tied the myth and to maintaining it. Even Larry King led her into a scenario where she admitted that they had had relations etc. Of course King should have queried but he wanted to placate the myth too. She did manage to say though that she was bullied and blackmailed and forced to say things in support of the myth which were untrue. Apparently her personal life until death was forever manipulated and managed. She died broke, never re-married. Sad but true.
O please! You were brainwashed……? 1 in every 10 is gay - male of female. It's a fact. Get used to it. And accept it. We are all around you. And you better get used to it. The time of given comments like these are not accepted anymore.
@@lzmunch Gays have a great deal of power if not representation. But this is by choice. The same can be said about Jews. There was and is very little Jewish representation in films but there WAS (not so much now) alot of power. Ross Hunter, Tony Perkins, Tab Hunter, Marlene Dietrich many others were working out of a cabal that denominated behaviour and representation. The only ones who today seem to have come out of it are Black people. Women are still struggling, so are gays (with overt representation) so are Jews.
Comment by Sandra sorry. sharing the computer..
I feel Martha should have paid more attention to the worth of each word rather than let fake crying carry the scene. I didn't shed a tear when I portrayed her and I feel slowing down the delivery and only breaking my voice on certain lines added more power. In fact my Karen didn't carry that scene because I did. Karen never leaves the stage in the third act so I felt that I owed it to my coworker to carry at least that.
I think if you had lives the lie for so long and then had the chance to deal with it on your own terms taken away so brutally, it would absolutely destroy you
SHIRLEY MACLAINE said in an interview she didn`t think her character (`Martha`)would have submitted but would have fought for her body preference. Fact is Shirley the case on which Hellman based the play refutes the facts as laid out by Hellman. The two women teachers, Scottish, were lesbians and slept with the students in the same beds. The students were complicit but one complained, Neither lesbian killed herself after the court case.
The way I read it is that Hollywood and America too make a fetish out of homosexuality and lesbianism. Jews take crap from the System. Communists and liberal writers take crap. But homosexuals and lesbians get films made which make them `sacred cows`.
I interviewed MacLaine in the Seventies. I asked her about `Being There` and the masturbation scene. She said she didn`t think they went far enough.
I think she herself has come out as bisexual. I don`t know if a lover was Elizabeth Taylor but fact is most of Hollywood sex symbols have been gay. It`s an inside joke, not funny for us however.
You need help.
But not I daresay from you.