Jean Paul Silver $200 Trumpet review vs $3000 Bach Stradivarius trumpet - Juilliard School of Music
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Jean Paul Silver $200 Trumpet review vs $3000 Bach Stradivarius trumpet - Juilliard School of Music UPDATE: The silver is currently sold out, but the yellow gold brass is in stock, but I would hurry.
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I think Jean Paul trumpet sounds pretty clean
Thanks me too
jean paul is messing up that quality to cost scale....they will be taking over at some point. with a new mouth peice, and little tune work, the TS400 tenor sax, sounds identical to a Yaga Sax at 3500-4000 dollars, and the keys are just as good, clean, no slug in the sax...
Same for the trumpet, my first learned instrument, swap the springs, and oil it. 3000 dollar sound for 200-300 dollars.
@@GarbageKnight They’ll jump the market and likely increase the price of this under priced product once the branding goes international. Even at 1 grand their higher models would sell.
@@GarbageKnight you think that simply switching out the springs with valve springs from a Bach strad will really make the difference? Because it’s not just the valves that make the sound that comes out of the bell, as is clearly demonstrated in this video of someone who already can play professionally.
I’m just curious because I actually have the $400 version of this trumpet in silver in their T-450S series (looks like the one used in this video was from the T-200 series). The sound is great (though I do tend to use a monette mpc which sharpens my tone and resonance), but if getting Bach valve springs would really make that much of a difference, I’m open to the possibility.
Thank you so much for this awesome review. I was looking at buying this horn because I could not believe the band instructor with less time (4-8 years post college percussionist) knew what 6th grade beginners should play. I did, however, find a used Bach TR300H2 for only $30 more. I'm thinking about buying the Jean Paul for myself. Haven't played anything in 20 years, but I love the sound of brass.
Band Directors are GENERALISTS and jack of all trades, but master at none. This means that they likely could pick out a decent instrument for a 6th grader, but not for a senior who just made all-state! Think of a band director as middle management. not upper, not entry....just middle.
You can hear the sound of air more in the Jean Paul but the notes sound clear and crisp. Makes that 4K horn not worth it. Lol
Looking for a decent beginner for my son who is just learning to play. Thinking I'm gonna go with the Jean Paul. Thanks.
This Jean Paul is great and so is the Mendini. They end up being MUCH LESS than renting and you can sell it eventually and move up to a more expensive road if your son ends up sticking with it. If he drops out, you haven't lost much at all.
TRUMPETSIZZLE would you say the Jean Paul is better than the $100 Mendini beginner trumpet? I am think about upgrading.
For a beginner, I recommend the CONN-Selmer 711, about $450.00
I just bought my son the Jean Paul TR 430S and he said it played equal or better than his Bach Strad. I was shocked that the reviews were accurate. Awesome review and thanks.
Glad this helped! However, please know this is not equal or better than a Bach Strad. Your son or you can't tell the difference, but any pro could. I don't want you to be the King walking around not knowing he has no clothes on!
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Ok, after seeing your video I purchased a Jean Paul; just for the heck of it. I can get a Bach any day for $3,000 but a Jean Paul for $220 was a steal. To me, the core sound of the Jean Paul was exceptional.
Glad you found it to be a good one!
Man that double tongue is lit
hehehe
I think also depends who is behind 😉. A good "pilot" is essential. P.s. nice T shirt
Well, yeah, that could be
This vid shows that the price of the instrument does not necessarily reflect its sound production quality. It's like restaurants -- the dirty family run dive often produces better food at lower price than a fancy restaurant. Yes the ambiance is better at the fancy place and you may feel better about being there, but the food is the main event and there's more of it and better tasting at the dive.
Very true!
Thinking about pulling my old trumpet out, dont remember the brand or model, havent opened the case since 11th grade and that was nearly 4 years ago. Going to take a lot to relearn since I've had my braces out since then
Good for you!
At least you got teeth! I don't have any teeth and had to relearn how to play my clarinet! I have not played a trumpet in many years, and will probably have to relearn just to play without teeth! But that don't stop me from eating a good steak!!
My Bish Aristocrat is from 1968, got it duck taped where a brace broke but I still love it.
amen
@TRUMPETSIZZLE Jean Paul is made in China, but they are like the Wessex and JP brands where they test each one individually and have great quality control.
yes
The included mouthpiece is pretty awful, but after getting a new mouthpiece and oiling the valves, the Jean Paul can sound almost as good as my Henri Selmer.
Excellent
4:33 omg I thought the bell was broken
😂
I am hoping to get a Jean Paul TS-400 Sax for around $700 on Amazon. They are made, I think, in Florida.
That was 2 weeks ago...did you get one? how is it?
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE my son got that sax a year ago. so far so good. taking it in for it's first tuneup.
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE Uh...no. Money. Have too many other priorities.
SOLD!! I'm Buying Me One Now After Hearing You Play It Like That With Those Cool High NOTES!! ❤
Rock on!
I bought a Vicente Bach Stradivarius trumpet in 2003 in case something happened to my 1930 French Besson 🎺 but I have hardly used it. The Besson has never failed me 🙂 and what a sound.
I now play a Claude Gordon Benge which..was based on a Besson design
Any Bach made before 2006 is a gem, student or pro!
both are pretty nice. i guess it really does show that horns will improve as you increase in price, but sound benefits will start to see less return for the money the higher up the price range. However I do think these more expensive horns are made from inherently higher quality materials and have more of the odd and specific kinks of the instruments worked out. I think where the price will really show will be how these horns hold up to general use and wear and tear over a long period of time. I'm willing to bet the jean paul really would hold up better for beginners and marching brass situations than the bach esp with the kind of neglect or abuse that befalls horns. the bach however, i think will outlast the jean paul over a long period of time, especially in professional hands. I'm talking like 10-15+ years of time. Not actually a trumpet player, a trombone player, but still the glorious brass section!
hehehe so you could buy 14 Jean Paul's vs 1 Bach. I'll take a bet that 14 brand new Jean Paul's will outlast 1 Bach Strad 10, 20, or 30 years longer!
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE probably would!!
hehehe
From what I’ve seen your paying more a quality longevity. I watched a guy review a 280$ strad knock off that (2 separate videos) that was decent when he first got it l, but after about 3 months of use the 280$ showed how much he bought it for.
I think a good trumpet player can make just about any trumpet sound amazing. But do you think it makes a huge difference for a beginner? I remember as a child the massive difference I heard, felt, on changing from a low end Yamaha to a Bach Strad model 37. It was a medium bore and that suited me really well, having kid size lungs but I prefer a large bore now as the sound is richer.
A beginner won't notice this horn or a bach or a $20k monette. So you get the cheap one until the beginner is no longer a beginner.
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE I can't have been a beginner, else my dad wouldn't have bought me a strad...
It was an old, dented laquered thing with corkless spit keys when he bought it. He fixed the dents and put new springs and corks and took me to a place where we watched it being electroplated. That trumpet is still going and still my favourite just for the happy memories.
As a young boy in elementary school my first trumpet
was from Sears catalog. It was probably fine but I didn’t think so. My friends were playing King and Cons. I was a little boy blaming my instrument. After I stuck with it a few years my parents bought me a nice used Buescher 400. I’ve had it for 65 years. My point is that pride of possession is a real and legitimate thing. Try to get your child an instrument they won’t be ashamed of.
@@joden1057 so. was it you or the trumpet? the foreshadowing of your comment suggests it was you. it's give and take, I started with a rental for the first 2 years then got a silver Yamaha allegro. many probably would only consider it a high end intermediate but I have played it well enough to travel the world. yes pride is a thing, but kid brains hop from obsession to obsession so much, be frugal until they earn it by discipline, then they will never give up.
i used to play trumpet, swapped to sax learning that now. and JEAN PAUL, is wrecking the price gap to quality. they are making these 3000 dollar horns, make you question why you are spending 3000USD on a horn, when you are getting a really awesome horn, for a fraction of the price. My Jean Paul TS400 Tenor Sax sounds almost identical to a 3500 Yaga Sax. and that is out of the box, add in a new mouth piece, a good reed, a few minor adjustments, and you pretty much cannot tell the difference. except on your wallet...900 out the door, vs 3500 out the door.
That's great...good for you and lucky too!
Thank you for mentioning the TS-400 as I am hoping to get one soon. Your comments reassures me of my future purchase.
They are manufactured in China, but serviced and shipped out of the US
ok
Hey, I didn't catch what the tune you're playing is called, would be fun to try!
Carnival of Venice
Hmmmm a $200 Silver Trumpet playing close to the level of a $3000 bach stradivarius trumpet? About impossible, right? Better watch this trumpet lesson and review video!
Love the review! Jean Paul might get my interest!
What model is the Jean Paul Trumpet??
great
they have several models
You sounded better on the Jean Paul, actually. Hm. It could be your sound system. But, once again, a good trumpet player is the real difference.
hehehe ok. thanks.
Agreed
Some Chinese manufacturers will put the logo "YYYY" model "zzz" and corresponding "made in XXX", so made in USA would be no problem. Of course it might be made in USA.
Where ever it's made, it's rock solid!
Jean paul is made in usa, they have service centers all around the US, and have great customer services. I swapped from trumpet to Tenor Sax, and was about to drop 1500 on a sax, and then saw the jean paul, and tried it, and with a tiny bit of tweeking on the keys, and a good mouth piece, it sounds identical, and keys are just as smooth as YAGA SAX at 3000 plus.
Not a big difference that I could hear. Wow! That's not good based on the price difference.
Lol there are some differences and like i said over and over and over again: YOU GOT$3000 you are better off to go buy that Bach Strad! Intonation(tuning), tone, sound, blending, vibration, slotting, great valves, resale value are ALL much better with the Bach Strad. You are broke? You just want a second practice horn for home? You are a beginner or a comeback player just wanting to cut your teeth on a decent horn before moving up the ladder? YOU GET THIS JEAN PAUL!
Of course there are HUGE difference, especially in control of the horn for the player
yes
Did the sound get airy in the edit?
edit?
TRUMPETSIZZLE Or recording. Just sounded a bit airy to me. (No offense)
TRUMPETSIZZLE great vid btw!
i have a bach strad, but im thinking of getting one of these for marching band so my other one doesn't get dinged up
good idea
Hi TrumpetSizzle....I do believe this is chinese made...Jean Paul is the US distributor.
Could be...
Did i miss something or were the actual model number discussed on the Jean Paul so i know what to look for - the Bach had a deeper fuller sound
Better replay
The tone has more spin on the Bach. For $3000 I’d buy an Adams though.
That's true and ...if you got the bread, you should! For folks that live in Dominican Republic or Mexico or Columbia, the Jean Paul will at least allow them to have some fun and even perform!
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE good point.
the bach you paying $2500 for the name and $500 for the trumpet
pretty close...takes about $500-$700 net to build one
What mouthpiece were you using me to play the Jean Paul?
Either my custom Bob Reeves or a Bach 1
The JP trumpet sounded pretty good. But, it doesn't even come close to a Bach Stradivarius. I have a Bach LR180S37 and I have played the JP trumpet. The biggest difference between the two, besides the sound, is longevity. A $200 trumpet will not last nearly as long as the Bach. I've been playing trumpet since 1953. My best trumpet was the CONN CONNstellation 38B. I played it for almost 25 years, then I switched to a Bach 37. I also have a CONN CONNstellation 52BSP ($1,400.00 new), and intermediate trumpet. It plays like a professional quality trumpet and I like to use it for jazz and dixieland. The CONN and the Bach are evenly matched, so far as I'm concerned. No $200 trumpet can compare with the CONN or Bach, or last as long. Remember the rule, pay nothing, get nothing.
LOL
I played the same model jean paul through hs and it did me well, but after testing some higher end trumpets it's left me curious on what more could I be getting out of my sound as I get more serious about music
I will like show The Jean Paul TR-860
Great!
what mouth peise do you use and how does it hold up 3 years later
I use a crazy hyrbrid customized by Bob Reeves. It still plays
Carnival of Venice
YES!
Fire
hehe thanks
Is it me or does the cheap one sound cleaner on the carnival of venice
Hmmmmmmm
What mouthpiece do you use
bob reeves custom
If you pay over 1k for any type of horn TODAY you just got scammed. I own a Jean Paul T330. Solid, warm and rich sound.
Not really. New Strads or Yamaha Xenos can reach up to $3500 and more, and although I do agree that they are overpriced, you truly still get what you pay for. In the long run as a professional player, Strads and Xenos and Schilkes will last you much farther in your career, as the build quality is better, and they also feel better, as they can be more free blowing or be more consistent with their intonation. Also any type of horn is a stretch, horns like Euphoniums/Tubas have a $1500 starting point.
sometimes, but not always, you MUST pay for the extra time, man hours, and experience, quality and craftmanship. These elements are mostly missing in Jean Paul even though Jean Paul is good for the money it still cannot compare playing-wise to Benge, Bach, Yamaha, but my point is the Bach $3000 better? No, it is not, but Bach sets the price so if you want the best quality you will have to overpay for it
Jean Paul instruments go through incredible quality control and seem to put out very good trumpets at a low price, but they are essentially manufactured in china. Jean Paul buys them from chinese manufacturers, insures that they are at their standard of quality, probably does some sort of modifications, and rebrands and sells them.
makes sense
Yamaha ytr-2330 is made in China
what model is it exactly ?
intermediate model
What model is this? The 330,430,550?
it is mentioned, but I believe Jean paul has been out of stock on this model for a long time
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE I didn’t hear it mentioned. Although I’m listening with a lot of background noise.
like with most instruments today, the difference in sound has way more to do with the player than the instrument. A 200$ guitar in the 80s was garbage. now a squire for 200$ blows its socks off. the difference is in materials, fit and finnish. the days when you had to pay big bucks for function are over.
Hmmmm to some extent. Obviously if Jimi Hendrix played on a cheap Chinese $300 guitar...he might just make it sound better than a $300 guitar. Still, Jimi would love to be on the highest quality instrument if possible...
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE Well I did include qualifiers. Sure, a more expensive instrument will play/sound slightly better, but the law of diminishing returns has never been more strongly enforced than it is today. People have so many options, and manufacturing has gotten so good, you can't get away with selling hot garbage anymore to anyone but the most undiscerning customer. I was also clumsily attempting to compliment your playing.
edit: I also think Jimi Hendrix would be blown away with the quality of a 300$ squire strat. Especially if you told him you could buy one with the proceeds from 2 bar gigs. I believe he made something like 30$ a week playing in the Kurtis band.
ITS JUST LIKE MERCEDES CAR YOU JUST PAY FOR THE NAME AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD MERCEDES BREAKS DOWN>...
lol
@@TRUMPETSIZZLE BUT YOU PLAY GOOD... I HAVE BEEN IN THE CAR BUSINES FOR A WHILE... AND I ALWAYS WANTED TO PLAY A TRUMPET...
WOW NICE ANALOGY
OHHHHH
@Aviator Law the problem IS the maintenance of the Mercedes.
Damn im shocked man, they almost sound the same in my opinion the vr raptor just produces a fatter sound
Well thank ya! I have really made an official announcement but my song, ALMOST BLUE was recorded using this trumpet with my Bach 1. My v raptor broke down with a stuck valve right when i went to record and i didn't want to put off the recording date.
TRUMPETSIZZLE when I was in 10th grade i upgraded from a jupiter capital edition which was kinda trash to me but I upgraded to this silver flair which was pretty good despite yhe valve jacking up causing me to have to rent a Trumpet the week before state assessments
Lol im rocking the 100 mending in marching band 😎
Awesome!
I was hoping you’d play the Bach
I did...but in another video
What is the difference tr 330 & tr 330n
research and let me know
Vipin Jose J B ft
Is this a jean Paul tr330?
You didn't watch the video? You didn't click the link? Do you suck at playing trumpet? Wait...don't answer that last one!
TRUMPETSIZZLE whoops stupid question
Ok...hopefully you watched. Now, what trumpet are you playing?
hehe
It’s the musician.
Yes and...NO! Equipment makes a difference especially the mouthpiece
I'd still rather have a Jean Paul
really?
In the hands of a master junk can be made to sound good . super edgy, seems super sharp actually hurts the ears .Give it too a novice and see how long it lasts mechanically and how long his/her interest will last . Bet the finish doesnt last 3 yrs. Airy sound ? Valves issues ? Maybe due to blowby at the valves without oil or maybe not. Not an efficient instrument if so, that makes it harder to play and means more lip fatigue and energy .Take your 200. use it as a down payment and buy at least a brand name new .student to intermediate model, Yamha is a good bet. Rent one the first year to see students interest or purchase it out right .2335 Then sell it , it has a better used market . Or buy a good tested used instrument . Conn King Yamaha, Getzen Bach Schilke . Kurt knows his stuff but ask him if he would give that to his aspiring Child to start with ? Maybe to a 4yr old ? Prolly not .
Sound like a jilted buyer. I stand by my recommendation. My V-Raptor broke down with a stuck 3rd valve right as i was going to commence my recording session of Chet Baker's Almost Blue. I used my Mendini Bb beginner $100 trumpet! That trumpet plus my new Bach 1 mouthpiece is the equipment I recorded on. I don't know what student you are listening to or looking at buy 99% can't play their way out of a paper bag much less tell whether they are playing a $600 Yamaha or Bach. Further, these students that you are so worried about won't be playing a short 2 or 3 years after they start anyway. The cheapest trumpet on amazon will outlast just about any spoiled Millennial
what did I just read
How long have you worked for Bach?
No difference
hehe