Omen of the Stars, a ballad Dove: Cheery, listening Tried to be there, yet I was not Given a mentor, one to teach me of what I will know Overwhelmed in the fact told to me that I am one, one of three three powerful cats in a prophecy Troubled, outcast, tryed to make the best of it Caught all I could, did what I may what I may to be perfect Heard, heard a sound so distant before, now on a quest, naive of what i'll do New friends, not friends taught to think before I care before I act without consent Made higher in status, proud on the surface deep down trying to fight the worries residing Learned of darkness inside one I cared for She faced the other way, locked me out Thought I'd turn, turn to others who called Only one there, forbidden to love Watched from the outside, heard but not talked Fighting wars already fought, really worth all it costs? Lost, in silence Jay: Healing, healing, trauma Clanmates try to help, I don't want it Not living to potential ATTACKED by evil edgy half-brother tried to pain those undeserved Fallen tree, killing him, hurting her Dragging, dragging, limbs flailing how do I help? Vision's corner saw him slipping, sliding the ice cracking and splitting below could not get there in time DIVED down the cold flow everything blurred, dark THEN a vision of forgotten, led to betrayl of the flame cat Lion: Strong, brave Content yet not For all know of what we have lost and the bad we gained Resentment Then, out of air, training is bestowed Given to the Dove and the Ivy So young, naive, unshaped Teaching beside the friend of my sister my sister, gone Journey, given to that of the Courageous and the Caring Fought the unknown, having a traveler beside, die Learning the young think all are they friends Teaching to the confused and hurt, that is not the case Loved,now by a Co-Scholar Only once had before, with a beautiful secret cat Following the seekers of solstice, to tunnels familiar An old face found, so dark and grim Now found, to be brought back again Ivy: Normal, happy Eager, quaint Then my sis got all the attention A journey she was took apon at a moments notice shook me, shook me to my core Alone, lost, sad She was better, better and better Then he came, he took away the pain told me I was special, little did I know I would betray FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT is all the shadows knew Plan, plan, plan through and through Then a secret spilled, to ears of starry power Spilled to the one less inferior Three found out, then told the leader Next thing to go, Spying on the dark Waiting, surviving Hoping not to be found out A warrior forgot, comes home She is left all alone, cast out Non knowing of why she did the deed she dealt Then, BATTLE Running to the scene Switching sides, revealing deception Being saved by the mysterious memory Knowing, all has been done, and now I am free
If Ivypaw's mentor would have been Lionblaze it would have made for a much greater development. They both trained in the dark forest, they both had turbulent teenage -cat years, etc etc. Cinderheart and Lionblaze's relationship would have made so much more sense too since he would have had to go to Dovepaw for the prophecy, and she would have been Cinder's apprentice, so there would be a reason for them to *talk*, it would also lay foot to a more reasonable jealous Ivypaw (aka my mentor doesn't pay attention to me, always my sister, yadda yadda yadda). Both Ivypaw and Lionblaze would have had much better developement this way in my opinion.
I was very disappointed when we didn't get one perspective from Firestar in the last hope! Since we haven't had his perspective in 3 series and I think it would've been appropriate for when Firestar is fighting Tigerstar to get his perspective.
I've been thinking about writing Firestar's perspective of his final battle for a while now, and if I find the time this summer I'll definitely get it out there if that helps.
Frostyink it would've also been interesting to see his pov when he died like what happened with gray wing, to see how he thought about his imminent death and whether or not he thought it was time, would've made a good end to his character in my opinion
"NEW CHARACTER!" said one of the Erin's "Lets kill him and blame it on Jayfeather!" Said the other Erin "No, girls, ple---" said Sutherland "KILL KILL KILL!!" the Erin's chanted "FINE! THEN I KILL FIRESTAR!" Snorted Sutherland "NOOOOO" screamed the Firebae lovers
dovewing should have travelled back in time with jayfeather to do the whole tribe thing. I always felt like jayfeather hated dovewing and it would have given interesting dialogue and maybe actually built a relationship.
When Flametail was drowning Jayfeather tries to save him. Jayfeather knows he is blind and will not likely survive, but stills tries, to save him. Jayfeather knows how important he is to the Clans and Flametail was also the first to turn his back on his fellow medicine cats, yet Jayfeather pursues to rescue him. Thai makes for a great character quality in Jayfeather.
One thing I love is that in Bramblestar's Storm, there is a small scene where Bramblrstar, Lionblaze, Squirrelflight, and Jayfeather are out on a small mission when Jayfeather and Lionblaze start having a small snow ball fight. That scene makes my heart melt every time I read it...
+Moonkitti, I do too. I always thought that his strength made him like a cliche Gary Sue. I also hate his design, like Golden tabby, with amber eyes? I can even see his eyes, it blends in with his pelt.
The talking to each other point you made is SOO true! This has always been a problem with Warriors, where it seems like it takes a whole book or more for 2 minute conversations to happen that would totally give important information to other characters (*sigh* even Into the Wild is guilty), but I definitely remember this being more annoying in OotS. Also one complaint: I HAVE TO WAIT FOR PART 2!?!?! Tennelle what the heck you can't tease us like this!
Warriors is so bad about this, and it drives me nuts. These cats need to just have a few more heart-to-hearts and TALK TO EACH OTHER. heheh, I can watch part 2 whenever I want. >:3c
Totally agree with what you've said! Whta bothers me the most about OotS is that everyone calls Dovewing a Mary Sue. If you don't like her, that's perfectly fine! We all like and dislike different characters, I'm not her #1 fan either. BUT that is NOT an excuse to call her a Mary Sue, she has flaws, she is relatable and she isn't perfect. I hope you adress a bit about this in the next video! Great work, as always. ;)
"maybE THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY TALK TO EACH OTHER!!!" *slams fist on table* omfg lmao Tennelle youre the best but here's an idea, how about you try reading the books in the chronology you recommended? sign of the moon, then forgotten warrior, nixing the fourth apprentice entirely, etc etc. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that! I'm actually SUPER curious to try it because Im stuck on night whispers and hating it. I really hope this idea picks up steam, I love it when tv shows or books or whatever are meant to be read "out of order" for it to make sense (it's so extra it gives me life). who says warriors can't follow this as well? my dude you should send me a list of your "ideal" OOTS chronology and I'll try it out! :D fantastic video too btw.
@ Zoseph Cooper Iv'e read that book like, three months ago? I don't remember a thing, and I was like, 'oh wait, nothing DID happen in that book!' and I still remember the scene when Brindleface died and Cloudtail said, "Why her?" ;^; and the scene when Sandstorm as an apprentice, wanting to give Firestar (as an apprentice) a red fire ant. (It's in the Enter the Code, or whatever that book it called)
Something about when the cats travel to the mountains makes me want to burn the book. When I thought that they were done traveling to the tribe, I got the omen of the stars series, and saw the cover of the fourth one, and nearly roasted the book in the oven.
I believe oots had Great potential, which can be seen by the many good aspects of it like ivy and dove, and longtail' death (my god my bae) but it wasn't delivered properly. I definely don't think it's as bad as many make it out to be, and i haven't read in over 3 years so I can't be certain but I don't remember hating it any more than the new prophecy as a kid and now as a teen I can't decide what arc between 2-4 I like more. There's a reason there's so many maps centered around these arcs. The ideas were really good but not executed the best. Lots of people don't like the whole dark forest plot thing but I quite like that idea,(just me though not saying people who don't like it are wrong). They had 2 very good ideas that worked well on their own, a supernatural struggle of power and a family drama. They are not really good but just don't work together. I know I'm going back to Po3 but I'm very undecided between whether hollyleaf should have kept the same arc or became evil. I think what we got of hollyleaf was fantastic but if she had turned evil it may have given that one more thing OoTS needed from PoW. I'm really undecided about whether the plot should be changed or not, I feel like some ideas are really good (like yours and Spencer's pow alternate idea) as alternate universes, but I'm happy with what we got. I think the main story is fine, apart from the 3s power struggle getting lost completely, but is rather the delivery that's bad
Hehehe...The Fourth Apprentice was actually the first warriors book I read, even my 10 year old self was like; yeah no. Two years later I began reading them in the right order.
Aeva Pearson XD I can relate. I first read Fading Echoes and though I was confused, I was instantly attached. That scene when Jayfeather screamed, "I'M SORRY ROCK I BROKE YOUR STICK", I screamed that around my house until my mom took me to the library so I could get more Warrior Books XD. I fortunately found out what order to read them in quite soon though
I really think the Erin's are feeling the pressure when writing Warriors since it's the most popular series in their creations, and over thousands view it. I myself am starting to grow out of warriors, especially since most, or all of the Warriors code isn't followed anymore, to be honest only one cat took it seriously. And yeah, Omen of the Stars pushed my decision to stop reading Warriors. One of my best friends suggested reading Survivors, or their bear series(I forgot the name, lol) And both series are great, spectacularly written, and the plot isn't repetitive. Warriors is great too, but the thing that made Warriors great is not really there anymore😶
StormyStarz Yes! The Erins really only focus on Thunderclan! It's very annoying, I would love to see the Erin's base an entire season on another clan, or most of it at least. Thanks for the recommendation! I've actually heard of those books before, but I didn't think much about it. I might try it if I find the time.
9:28 I agree so much. I read the last part of Night Whispers. "I believe that when the final battle comes, Ivypaw will stand with us." (Or something like that) I turned the page, expecting there to be another chapter, and it showed the cover of SOTM. I was like, "What? Seriously? That's really the ending? Wow." I didn't even know what to say. It ended just, so sudden, and it made no sense to end it just right there. It should have ended like, a chapter or two after, where they have time to make something big happen, like a good, book ending plot twist. I really think they should have done something other than just that. That kind of annoyed me.
wait a minute... Do my eyes deceive me? Is Tennelle... saying Dovewing isnt a Mary Sue? Finally!!! Dovewing is absolutely not a Mary Sue, and I don't see why people think she is one. here's why: SPOILER ALERT, YO! she has flaws, like Tennelle sort of pointed out. she was young and naive, and that sort of balanced out the fact that she had cool powers. She also gets a lot of crap about how she reacted when she 'lost' her powers, but seriously. If you had powers, and they were pretty much stripped away from you, you would freak out too! and while people blame her for the whole "Tigerheart and Bumblestripe" love triangle, she truly was in love with Tigerheart, and Bumblestripe wasn't her type. I could go on and on, but I won't. Pls don't hte on this comment, this is MY OWN OPINION!!! So don't flip out.
Arctic's Den The community is making people who like Dovewing see Bumblestripe as a nice guy TM. (I see him as one but I realized I might be wrong because I haven't read it in awhile) Shoot this was commented on a year ago...
People sometimes hate dovewing for leaving TC, she had every right to. Her life choices aren't Ivypools, Bumbleatripe, Nor firestars. She didn't do this for anyone else, she did it to have a better life.
The only moment where Ivy get to talk about what she saw in the dark forest was the very end. I can't help but to think that talking about that earlier it the books would've make more sense than the "she's spying them for us but she never say anything about them. nothing to worry about" Honestly at some point I was waiting Jayfeather to think that she was spying on them for the dark forest as her spying thing was useless But the only real thing I disliked in this arc is the drama. Especially with Lionblaze and Cinder..Heart ? (don't know her English name sorry). I honestly ended up hating Lionblaze not because of the character himself but because of how chapters with his point of view were annoying. I preferred the love story of Jayfeather ; not throw at our face every chapter. No complaints of "we can't be together because you have a destiny". But, good point with the return of Hollyleaf: her evolution. In power of the three I hated her from the beginning to the end. But in omen of the star, I surprised myself wishing to have at least one chapter with her point of view to get to know the new Hollyleaf better.
Amazing! While reading this arc, I found it was... off. I couldn't really figure it out, but I knew that it could be better. This really helped me realize the problem! Your points are very strong and I loved it!
I really like Omen of the Stars, despite it having flaws, its one of my favorite series, like you said. Dovewing sucks no matter the way you look at it tho. New Prophecy is my second fave though
You make such valid points! I sort of feel the same with The New Prophecy, though. Tigerstar #173 ruins everything is kinda expected and is honestly boring PLEASE review Dawn of the Clans! That is the first warriors series I ever read, and is still my favorite hehe
Hm Tigerstar dies an epic death but it wasnt firestar *entire fandom gets pissed* Erins: nervous laughing ^^; well guess what dead cats are actually the same as alive ones surprise *Epic battle commences * Firestar : has survived white cough black cough more plagues, rat bites battle many cats and is defeated by A Tree '^' *drops book and walks outside*
I reread the last hope, and it said that Firestar died from his wounds. The tree was representing him: flame of the tree gets distinguished, meaning he had died. THEN the tree fell NEAR him. Or so I believe...
I loved the character of Dovewing. Everyone calls her a Mary Sue, yet she is not. She is full of flaws. She 'abandoned' her sister, she caused love drama, but she had such an impact on the plot. I always admired the 'flawed characters', they struggle but don't know how to handle the problem... The flawed characters are strong, but no one sees that.
Another common thing I've found with the Warriors books in general is that the cats don't seem to keep any one personality, it seems to be whatever fits the scene with the characters given.
"there's this weird sense in this whole arc that our main characters are too busy to talk to each other 99% of the time." this is so true! it bugged me so much while reading it!
The Three + Ivypool's relationship could be similar to that of The New Prophecy cats in your "Let's Rewrite The New Prophecy" video. Their relationship, especially with Ivypool, could be tested constantly, making them realize why they instead of any other cat were chosen to have powers - while it wouldn't be uniting the Clans, it would unite the Three + Ivypool, and character development and relationships voila have appeared! The sibling relationships could also be stressed out a lot as well, maybe incorporating Bright Guardian Akira's 4 Ways To Make Sol Better suggestion of a Sol-Jayfeather personal connection but instead in Omen of the Stars. And for Ivy/Dove, Ivypool could save Dovewing from a badger or a Dark Forest Cat (or Breezepelt . . .) and Dovewing could save Ivypool from something else after that, showing how much they would risk. This could lead to them fighting together during the Final Battle, and make Ivypool's stress of Dovewing leaving plus Dovewing's worry about Ivypool's feelings be a bit more prevalent in Tigerheart's Shadow/AVoS. And for Jay/Lion bonding . . . TAKE LIONBLAZE WITH YOU TO BECOME LION'S ROAR, SEE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS! MAYBE EVEN BRING DOVEWING ALONG AND MAKE IVYPOOL FEEL LEFT OUT THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE AN INCARNATION, FUELING HER LONELINESS!! THE CATS IN OMEN OF THE STARS AREN'T LONELY, THEY JUST LACK BASIC COMMUNICATION! Three + Ivypool could all experience their own loneliness, and eventually bond over and become a secure unit because of it.
Even though I haven’t read the book I have seen the spoilers and i think I will enjoy the series but I really don’t want to read the last hope because lots of my favourite cats die aka fire star spotted leaf holly leaf fox leap and a bunch of others
KittyCat Sqaud-sian and Scarlett Wright I didn’t want to read it either for the same reason, but honestly I really liked the last hope! One of my favourite books in warriors, actually. So I think you should give it a try!
Omen of the stars was okay I guess but the last hope was my favorite in the series because it is just so emotional in the end when sooo many of the characters we grew to know die and lose so much. Some of the clan cats are left broken! like dustpelt poor dustpelt when ferncloud dies and like firestar when he sees spottedleaf dies and knows that spottedleaf won't be there for him when he joins starclan and then sandstorm when firestar does AHHHHH but by far I love the Apprentice quest in the 5th arc xD
I actually really liked the part when Breezepelt started to beat up Jayfeather (not because I don’t like him of course) it really showed how loyal and stubborn Jayfeather was to Thumderlcan, and was very emotional for me! Poppyfrost was just absolutely terrified, and Jayfeather really stood up for her, even if he took a beating, they pulled through!
Okay, i agree with most of what you are saying execpt i think in sign of the moon it should be jayfeather and dovewing because dovewing needs to have her perspective, so the reader understands that she is shaken by seeing what she saw. This is just my opinion, and i am open to new ones
I'm not very happy with what happened to the warrior series. The first series was great. i loved it! But then the new prophecy... eh, it was.. actually really good! I loved Power of three, and then omen of the stars. Now, i *HATE* this series. its all about dovewing, and shes always whining about something. im not happy about where the warrior series has gone. I feel like Erin Hunter has no idea what to do next so they are just repeating the other books over, just with different characters. *No offence to anyone, this is just my opinion* ~Bunbun
You realize we've moved on to a series 6, right? Omen of the Stars wasn't the best despite my love for it, but the following series, Dawn of the Clans, amazingly made up for it. And now we have an even better 6th series.
Dovewing never whines, she just acts complains because she wants to be like her sister, Ivypool. She doesn't want to make her jealous so she complains that she doesn't want to be part of the prophecy.
DoTC is SOOOO good and very emotional, I REALLY suggest reading it. Gray Wing and Clear Skys relationship is so fun to watch play out, and to see the beginning of everything I cried so many times reading those books!
Omen of The Stars was and still is my favorite series because for me, it feels like Omen of the Stars focuses more on the characters than the story. I love seeing all of the cats emotions and how they would actin certain situations. However because OotS has a lack of telling the actual story, you don't get to see what (like you said) would happen if one of the cats was about to die how would they feel?
My favorite books in each arc are probably: Into The Wild, Moonrise, Sunrise, Fading Echoes, The Blazing Star, and Shattered Sky, my favorite Super Edition/Novella is Yellowfang's secret, and my favorite manga book is a Shadow In RiverClan. (I haven't been able to read the Broken Code yet).
So good to hear someone talking about this. I had so many conflicting feelings towards this arc, ending up disliking it overall except for a few key moments, such as Dovewing struggling with being overwhelmed by her power, since I suffer from a hearing condition that causes me similar difficulties and pain. Maybe I'll give the arc a second chance with your points in mind and end up enjoying it more.
I have to say, That omen of the stars has to be one of my favorites because the relantionship with ivypool and dovewing, and I especially loved Night Whispers. The view we got on Shadowclan was amazing, and I really loved Flametail. I also really enjoyed having some view again in the mountain cats and Jayfeathers relantionship with the ancients. But there is also some things that I would have fixed. However, Omen of the Stars has to be one of my favorite series.
Great points! I think I agreed with everything you had to say. The splitting of chapters among all the different characters is the biggest sore point for me. Throughout the series we know everything that's going on, there's no mystery to keep the pages turning. For example, Ivypool's plot would have been so much more compelling to me if for a while we had no idea why she kept waking up with scratches and came to learn that other cats in other clans were as well before eventually getting a big dark forest reveal. Instead, we know what's going on in whole and only really have room to wonder about what happened a particular night, which is consistently 'dark forest cats acted obviously evil and there was some rigorous training' plus maybe one important plot point. Everything's spelled out for us.
I'd just like to say: I think there should've been MANY "It should've been Hollyleaf" moments between Jayfeather and Lionblaze. It would've solidified their bond and how much they miss their sister, as well as make the tunnel scene where they search for Hollyleaf's body more believable. Speaking of searching for Hollyleaf, I would've accepted that scene being so late if the three made it obvious they were too busy to go search for her. Sad as it may be, they had lives, and they thought Hollyleaf was dead.
Wow this video is really interesting! You pointed out lots of things that I hadn't noticed while reading OotS, like how there are way too many cats perspectives in the books. Now that I think about it your right. (PLEASE DO MORE)
Okay, I read all of these books when I was in middle school, that us, up until Omen of the Stars. I read the first 2 books, received the 3rd and 4th as gifts, but never got around to reading them. I got into high school, read other books, graduated, and now I'm working my way through classic literature. I always knew I was missing out on the rest of the story as I saw fan video after fan video, but I recently wandered into the kid's section of Barnes and Noble, saw AAAAAALL of the old books with the new covers, the rest of Omen of the Stars, and the arches that followed. I remember thinking, "Oh. My. Gosh. They're still going!" Part of me really misses these books; they were a huge part of my middle school years, however... At some point, I lost track of character arches (So many characters. So many point of views. So many romances and "who's kit is this? Where they from?"), and I was so behind by now. I would have to reread the first two Omen of the Stars books and the rest of the books. I just couldn't keep track, unfortunately! :/
I'm having a problem reading Dawn. I can't get into and I'm like 115 pages in (I think). I think it's because I really *really* don't like squirrelpaw. **Opens arms ready for hate**
I remember reading that part when lionblaze and jayfeather talk about hollyleaf in the tunnels. I loved that part because loonblaze and jayfeather actually talk about something that is emotional for once in forever!
Can someone tell me if a vision of shadows shattered sky is a new book as in last 2 months or has it been out for a while I can't remember the full length to which I've read.
I understand the idea with flame tail bringing some drama in to the books not to make them boring, but when you think about it, this was how it ended up being. You get introduced to flame tail, it's interesting seeing it from another clan, and flametail's kinda cute tbh. Then he gets thrown into the lake and dies horribly. It doesn't even change the story later in the books. There're some shenanigans about jayfeather murdering flametail (although it's BS lol) but that doesn't change anything either. Technically you get introduced to a cute cat, he does, and that's it.
As many problems as OotS had, it still has one of my favorite character arcs in the series with Jayfeather as he confronts a lot of stuff he hasn’t really been able to let go off, whether it was his faith, or his relationship with Leafpool being rekindled. If there’s one moment I point back to as one of my favorite scenes in the series, it is easily Jayfeather accepting Leafpool back into the Medicine Cat role.
I'm legitimately freaked out now, I stopped reading warriors after sign of the moon too, a week or so ago I got backi nto reading up on what I'd missed and the other day finally purchased the last 2 (3 if I count bramblestars storm) books needed to round out my collection (at least for now).
I actually think Omen of the stars had some really good character relationships. I love how Jayfeather and Lionblaze got closer and Ivypool and Dovewing's relationship. I also think the subtle mentionings of Firestar and Sandstorm's relationship. Longtail and Mousefur's friendship is also really beautiful.
I say that Omen of the Stars should be redone, by the fans or not, and we should make it overall better. Something like what was said here, with Sign of the Moon being the first book instead of The Fourth Apprentice. It just sounds so much better this way!
I really think the way dawn of the clans split the chapters was the best. I was so invested in every character and their relationships. When things were supposed to hurt they HURT.
So coming back to watch this once I’d read the books. I think I would’ve enjoyed omen of the stars ten times more if I hadn’t watched this. The fourth apprentice is my favorite book. I had high expectations going on, yet the next several books didn’t live up to them, and I think if I were to go back into reading them without the expectations-like I did with heroes of Olympus-I would enjoy OTS much more
I stopped reading at the Fourth Apprentice. It was getting too overwhelming and I didn't have the money to keep getting them... Our library doesn't have anything past the Darkest Hour... I'm so behind x3
I just realized that in the "I spoil The Fourth Apprentice for everybody" video, dovepaws eye color was constantly changing. I can't stop laughing. God help me
Honestly, Omen of the Stars is probably my favourite Warrors arc- perhaps out of pure nostalgic sentiment, due to The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes being the second and third Warriors books I ever read- but I do think people overlook it because of the powers- as if the series wasn't already unrealistic before what with cats building thrones of bones and getting extra lives from sparkly dead cats. But despite it's fast pacing and mediocre 'final' battle, Omen of the Stars had a certain sense of adventure to it that even the first and second arcs didn't have. We got to travel to entirely new areas of teh Warriors world and see some old ones again. We got to see the story from multiple different points of view, with each one looking into a different group of characters- with Dovewing we got to see some of Tigerheart's story and with Ivypool we got to see what Blossomfall was up to, along with the cats of the Dark Forest. And then there are the characters. While Into the Wild, the first book I'd read, didn't really spark my interest into any of the characters, I loved Dovewing right away and eventually grew to like Ivypool after she matured out of her jealousy issues. And by the time I read The Forgotten Warrior, I'd read the rest of the books available at that time, so I got to see the return of another favourite, Hollyleaf. But in comparison to the first two arcs, the characters in Omen of the Stars just seem so much more real and relatable, each with their own flaws and development that shaped them into characters worth reading about, whereas the cats in the first two arcs seemed rather flat and one-sided- not to say that they were bad, but they were certainly less interesting. So that's my opinion on the matter. Now I am well aware of how unpopular an opinion it is, and I'd like to remind everyone that this is simply MY opinion and I am not forcing it on anyone else or trying to tell everyone their opinion is wrong. Thank you, and have a nice day.
Personally I enjoyed OotS a lot as is, and IK others did too. Can’t say I’ve noticed any leaps in logic and the characters felt fine to me. I also didn’t mind starclan and dark forest being more involved. I even enjoyed the ending. I don’t get why some hate/dislike them, but to each their own. I enjoy just about everything in TBP, PO3, and Omen about equally myself. The plot does not make leaps in logic and isn’t nonsensical and character motivation is perfectly consistent with past books. I liked how starclan and the dark forest got more involved for this story I was satisfied with the ending I don’t like seeing something I genuinely enjoyed get hated on.
hey, so idk if you’re gonna read this but… i really need you to rewrite the omen of the stars. I LOVED the power of three and need more! Two years! So take this into consideration, love your content and thanks for reading - waiting for shadow to come out, hoping i dont get disappointed
Dovewing was born. Sister drama. Crazy Dawnpelt. Love triangle. Cinder x Lion drama. Flametail dies.
This has been a poem explaining Omen of the Stars
AppleByZeSky I hate Dawnpelt and Flamepelt.
azurestorm Yamashita Thank you I didn't notice that till now.
Omen of the Stars, a ballad
Dove:
Cheery, listening
Tried to be there, yet I was not
Given a mentor, one to teach me of what I will know
Overwhelmed in the fact told to me
that I am one, one of three
three powerful cats in a prophecy
Troubled, outcast, tryed to make the best of it
Caught all I could, did what I may
what I may to be perfect
Heard, heard a sound so distant before, now on a quest, naive of what i'll do
New friends, not friends
taught to think before I care
before I act without consent
Made higher in status, proud on the surface
deep down trying to fight the worries residing
Learned of darkness inside one I cared for
She faced the other way, locked me out
Thought I'd turn, turn to others who called
Only one there, forbidden to love
Watched from the outside, heard but not talked
Fighting wars already fought, really worth all it costs?
Lost, in silence
Jay:
Healing, healing, trauma
Clanmates try to help, I don't want it
Not living to potential
ATTACKED
by evil edgy half-brother
tried to pain those undeserved
Fallen tree, killing him, hurting her
Dragging, dragging, limbs flailing
how do I help?
Vision's corner saw him slipping, sliding
the ice cracking and splitting below
could not get there in time
DIVED down the cold flow
everything blurred, dark
THEN a vision of forgotten, led to betrayl of the flame cat
Lion:
Strong, brave
Content yet not
For all know of what we have lost
and the bad we gained
Resentment
Then, out of air, training is bestowed
Given to the Dove and the Ivy
So young, naive, unshaped
Teaching beside the friend of my sister
my sister, gone
Journey, given to that of the Courageous and the Caring
Fought the unknown, having a traveler beside, die
Learning the young think all are they friends
Teaching to the confused and hurt, that is not the case
Loved,now by a Co-Scholar
Only once had before, with a beautiful secret cat
Following the seekers of solstice, to tunnels familiar
An old face found, so dark and grim
Now found, to be brought back again
Ivy:
Normal, happy
Eager, quaint
Then my sis got all the attention
A journey she was took apon at a moments notice
shook me, shook me to my core
Alone, lost, sad
She was better, better and better
Then he came, he took away the pain
told me I was special, little did I know I would betray
FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT is all the shadows knew
Plan, plan, plan through and through
Then a secret spilled, to ears of starry power
Spilled to the one less inferior
Three found out, then told the leader
Next thing to go, Spying on the dark
Waiting, surviving
Hoping not to be found out
A warrior forgot, comes home
She is left all alone, cast out
Non knowing of why she did the deed she dealt
Then, BATTLE
Running to the scene
Switching sides, revealing deception
Being saved by the mysterious memory
Knowing, all has been done, and now I am free
Becca Stegman z
Very accurate
If Ivypaw's mentor would have been Lionblaze it would have made for a much greater development. They both trained in the dark forest, they both had turbulent teenage -cat years, etc etc. Cinderheart and Lionblaze's relationship would have made so much more sense too since he would have had to go to Dovepaw for the prophecy, and she would have been Cinder's apprentice, so there would be a reason for them to *talk*, it would also lay foot to a more reasonable jealous Ivypaw (aka my mentor doesn't pay attention to me, always my sister, yadda yadda yadda). Both Ivypaw and Lionblaze would have had much better developement this way in my opinion.
That's a fantastic point! I really like this idea for a change!
That would have been so much better!
That would have been great!
love that idea! i'd love to have read that :0
preach
Better call in Moonkitti to animate it
moonkitti should do all the series....new prophecy is next
Love how Dove paws eyes change colors the entire video
Gallus I lovewing dovewing
I was very disappointed when we didn't get one perspective from Firestar in the last hope! Since we haven't had his perspective in 3 series and I think it would've been appropriate for when Firestar is fighting Tigerstar to get his perspective.
I've been thinking about writing Firestar's perspective of his final battle for a while now, and if I find the time this summer I'll definitely get it out there if that helps.
toboe whisker
yish!
Frostyink it would've also been interesting to see his pov when he died like what happened with gray wing, to see how he thought about his imminent death and whether or not he thought it was time, would've made a good end to his character in my opinion
Imitation Infinity Absolutely. ^-^
I’ll have it up by the end of this week. I’m sorry for the delay.
"NEW CHARACTER!" said one of the Erin's
"Lets kill him and blame it on Jayfeather!" Said the other Erin
"No, girls, ple---" said Sutherland
"KILL KILL KILL!!" the Erin's chanted
"FINE! THEN I KILL FIRESTAR!" Snorted Sutherland
"NOOOOO" screamed the Firebae lovers
"KILL THE FLAME BECAUSE HIS NAME RESEMBLES THAT OF FIREBAE" said everyone in the room; the intern sits in the corner rocking back and fourth
Its Erins not Erin's. No apostrophe
Forest Hunter
Grammar is lit, boi.
Wisp
Wait Tui made The last hope?
As long as Tui doesn't kill Peril or any of the 'dragonets of destiny'.
dovewing should have travelled back in time with jayfeather to do the whole tribe thing. I always felt like jayfeather hated dovewing and it would have given interesting dialogue and maybe actually built a relationship.
Yes
When Flametail was drowning Jayfeather tries to save him. Jayfeather knows he is blind and will not likely survive, but stills tries, to save him. Jayfeather knows how important he is to the Clans and Flametail was also the first to turn his back on his fellow medicine cats, yet Jayfeather pursues to rescue him. Thai makes for a great character quality in Jayfeather.
Yes, and I don't understand why people hate him! (I mean I do, but it's stupid...) BLIXEMI!
One thing I love is that in Bramblestar's Storm, there is a small scene where Bramblrstar, Lionblaze, Squirrelflight, and Jayfeather are out on a small mission when Jayfeather and Lionblaze start having a small snow ball fight.
That scene makes my heart melt every time I read it...
I *KNOW* !
I hateonblaze lionblaze tbh
Moonkitti I fur-real hate ashfur.
Meanie beanie!!
ShiniquinCat ?
+Moonkitti, I do too. I always thought that his strength made him like a cliche Gary Sue. I also hate his design, like Golden tabby, with amber eyes? I can even see his eyes, it blends in with his pelt.
I love Lionblaze and I don't really like Ashfur
The talking to each other point you made is SOO true! This has always been a problem with Warriors, where it seems like it takes a whole book or more for 2 minute conversations to happen that would totally give important information to other characters (*sigh* even Into the Wild is guilty), but I definitely remember this being more annoying in OotS.
Also one complaint: I HAVE TO WAIT FOR PART 2!?!?! Tennelle what the heck you can't tease us like this!
Warriors is so bad about this, and it drives me nuts. These cats need to just have a few more heart-to-hearts and TALK TO EACH OTHER.
heheh, I can watch part 2 whenever I want. >:3c
LZRD WZRD so.....have you found a beputy and a medicine cat for VidClan?
Zippy_19
Where have I see u before? Hmmmm, a Cutie Juliet vid maybe?
I know I've see u somewhere...
LZRD WZRD the last hope is soo sad
Magda Tokarski I thought firestar's death was sad
Totally agree with what you've said! Whta bothers me the most about OotS is that everyone calls Dovewing a Mary Sue. If you don't like her, that's perfectly fine! We all like and dislike different characters, I'm not her #1 fan either. BUT that is NOT an excuse to call her a Mary Sue, she has flaws, she is relatable and she isn't perfect. I hope you adress a bit about this in the next video! Great work, as always. ;)
"maybE THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY TALK TO EACH OTHER!!!" *slams fist on table* omfg lmao Tennelle youre the best
but here's an idea, how about you try reading the books in the chronology you recommended? sign of the moon, then forgotten warrior, nixing the fourth apprentice entirely, etc etc. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that! I'm actually SUPER curious to try it because Im stuck on night whispers and hating it.
I really hope this idea picks up steam, I love it when tv shows or books or whatever are meant to be read "out of order" for it to make sense (it's so extra it gives me life). who says warriors can't follow this as well? my dude you should send me a list of your "ideal" OOTS chronology and I'll try it out! :D fantastic video too btw.
butterflyidentity
Honestly you could skip sign of the moon. ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING HAPPENS
@ Zoseph Cooper Iv'e read that book like, three months ago? I don't remember a thing, and I was like, 'oh wait, nothing DID happen in that book!'
and I still remember the scene when Brindleface died and Cloudtail said, "Why her?" ;^;
and the scene when Sandstorm as an apprentice, wanting to give Firestar (as an apprentice) a red fire ant. (It's in the Enter the Code, or whatever that book it called)
@@zosephdraws9962 I'm halfway through it and omg I want to die
Cutezilla it was Squilf to LeafKit, and Sand made them switch and Squilf had to deal with it
Something about when the cats travel to the mountains makes me want to burn the book. When I thought that they were done traveling to the tribe, I got the omen of the stars series, and saw the cover of the fourth one, and nearly roasted the book in the oven.
Oh yes the moment has finally arrived!! Can't wait to hear what you gotta say
I believe oots had Great potential, which can be seen by the many good aspects of it like ivy and dove, and longtail' death (my god my bae) but it wasn't delivered properly. I definely don't think it's as bad as many make it out to be, and i haven't read in over 3 years so I can't be certain but I don't remember hating it any more than the new prophecy as a kid and now as a teen I can't decide what arc between 2-4 I like more. There's a reason there's so many maps centered around these arcs. The ideas were really good but not executed the best. Lots of people don't like the whole dark forest plot thing but I quite like that idea,(just me though not saying people who don't like it are wrong). They had 2 very good ideas that worked well on their own, a supernatural struggle of power and a family drama. They are not really good but just don't work together. I know I'm going back to Po3 but I'm very undecided between whether hollyleaf should have kept the same arc or became evil. I think what we got of hollyleaf was fantastic but if she had turned evil it may have given that one more thing OoTS needed from PoW. I'm really undecided about whether the plot should be changed or not, I feel like some ideas are really good (like yours and Spencer's pow alternate idea) as alternate universes, but I'm happy with what we got. I think the main story is fine, apart from the 3s power struggle getting lost completely, but is rather the delivery that's bad
I got 5-6 more pages on power of 3 on the six book witch I forgot the name to... It will take me 5-6 mins
If I had a dollar, I'd be able to be in Tennelle's discord. R.I.P.
Hehehe...The Fourth Apprentice was actually the first warriors book I read, even my 10 year old self was like; yeah no. Two years later I began reading them in the right order.
Aeva Pearson XD I can relate. I first read Fading Echoes and though I was confused, I was instantly attached. That scene when Jayfeather screamed, "I'M SORRY ROCK I BROKE YOUR STICK", I screamed that around my house until my mom took me to the library so I could get more Warrior Books XD. I fortunately found out what order to read them in quite soon though
same.except i liked it!
but then i reread it.....
Aeva Pearson same
I really think the Erin's are feeling the pressure when writing Warriors since it's the most popular series in their creations, and over thousands view it. I myself am starting to grow out of warriors, especially since most, or all of the Warriors code isn't followed anymore, to be honest only one cat took it seriously. And yeah, Omen of the Stars pushed my decision to stop reading Warriors.
One of my best friends suggested reading Survivors, or their bear series(I forgot the name, lol) And both series are great, spectacularly written, and the plot isn't repetitive. Warriors is great too, but the thing that made Warriors great is not really there anymore😶
StormyStarz Yes! The Erins really only focus on Thunderclan! It's very annoying, I would love to see the Erin's base an entire season on another clan, or most of it at least.
Thanks for the recommendation! I've actually heard of those books before, but I didn't think much about it. I might try it if I find the time.
StormyStarz Actually, AVoS is pretty okay!
The Erin's bear series is called Seekers.
In the 2nd book and 3rd book in avos, they talk a lot about shadowclan and skyclan
And onestar finally dies
"Well, ive finished reading them and now...
I've got a lot to say." *sassy tenelle face*
Me: HOO BOI HERE WE GO
Ok who else loves Sutherland's wings of fire series, REAL hype for the tenth book
I'm a FanWing, and super excited for both the show and book 15.
Yeah!
@@HyacinthTheArtist YASSSS
Excellent analysis, as always. I certainly have a few more things to think about in regards to this arc!
9:28
I agree so much.
I read the last part of Night Whispers.
"I believe that when the final battle comes, Ivypaw will stand with us." (Or something like that)
I turned the page, expecting there to be another chapter, and it showed the cover of SOTM.
I was like, "What? Seriously? That's really the ending? Wow."
I didn't even know what to say. It ended just, so sudden, and it made no sense to end it just right there. It should have ended like, a chapter or two after, where they have time to make something big happen, like a good, book ending plot twist. I really think they should have done something other than just that. That kind of annoyed me.
I remember that made me so mad. That's no way to end a book!
If Whitestorm isn't there it's already a bad arc!
We need a Whitestorm novella
@@andrewshearer3065
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Erins, give us a Whitestorm novel.
muismelody we need a super edition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REINCARNATION
wait a minute... Do my eyes deceive me? Is Tennelle... saying Dovewing isnt a Mary Sue? Finally!!! Dovewing is absolutely not a Mary Sue, and I don't see why people think she is one. here's why: SPOILER ALERT, YO!
she has flaws, like Tennelle sort of pointed out. she was young and naive, and that sort of balanced out the fact that she had cool powers. She also gets a lot of crap about how she reacted when she 'lost' her powers, but seriously. If you had powers, and they were pretty much stripped away from you, you would freak out too! and while people blame her for the whole "Tigerheart and Bumblestripe" love triangle, she truly was in love with Tigerheart, and Bumblestripe wasn't her type. I could go on and on, but I won't. Pls don't hte on this comment, this is MY OWN OPINION!!! So don't flip out.
Arctic's Den The community is making people who like Dovewing see Bumblestripe as a nice guy TM. (I see him as one but I realized I might be wrong because I haven't read it in awhile)
Shoot this was commented on a year ago...
I agree with you! I'm not a huge fan, but I do like her, though, as Tennelle said, she needed more "Me time," or better persona in a way.
WHy are you hearing through your eyes? Of seeing through your ears!?
I know right? I actually really like Dovewing!
People sometimes hate dovewing for leaving TC, she had every right to.
Her life choices aren't Ivypools, Bumbleatripe, Nor firestars.
She didn't do this for anyone else, she did it to have a better life.
The only moment where Ivy get to talk about what she saw in the dark forest was the very end. I can't help but to think that talking about that earlier it the books would've make more sense than the "she's spying them for us but she never say anything about them. nothing to worry about"
Honestly at some point I was waiting Jayfeather to think that she was spying on them for the dark forest as her spying thing was useless
But the only real thing I disliked in this arc is the drama. Especially with Lionblaze and Cinder..Heart ? (don't know her English name sorry). I honestly ended up hating Lionblaze not because of the character himself but because of how chapters with his point of view were annoying. I preferred the love story of Jayfeather ; not throw at our face every chapter. No complaints of "we can't be together because you have a destiny".
But, good point with the return of Hollyleaf: her evolution. In power of the three I hated her from the beginning to the end. But in omen of the star, I surprised myself wishing to have at least one chapter with her point of view to get to know the new Hollyleaf better.
I gotta say, that avatar and background are ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS. They're just so beautiful.
Thank you so much!
Except Skyclan's destiny... 😂
16:56
Excuse me, I signed up for a review of OotS not a feels trip
I never even turned in my permission slip ;;
Very very very great points! I'm loving your analysis of the book and movies you've been doing, please keep it up!
Amazing! While reading this arc, I found it was... off. I couldn't really figure it out, but I knew that it could be better. This really helped me realize the problem! Your points are very strong and I loved it!
I really like Omen of the Stars, despite it having flaws, its one of my favorite series, like you said. Dovewing sucks no matter the way you look at it tho. New Prophecy is my second fave though
She's good a n y w h e r e other than OOTS- anywhere, that's when she gets interesting, and that's why most of the fandom despises her
But... but I like Dovewing...
You make such valid points! I sort of feel the same with The New Prophecy, though. Tigerstar #173 ruins everything is kinda expected and is honestly boring
PLEASE review Dawn of the Clans! That is the first warriors series I ever read, and is still my favorite hehe
Hm
Tigerstar dies an epic death but it wasnt firestar
*entire fandom gets pissed*
Erins: nervous laughing ^^; well guess what dead cats are actually the same as alive ones surprise
*Epic battle commences *
Firestar : has survived white cough black cough more plagues, rat bites battle many cats and is defeated by
A Tree '^'
*drops book and walks outside*
Bellbelly he was killed by lighting and a flaming tree
Carton EEggworks he was killed by the wounds after fighting tigerstar. The lighting and tree was a sign from starclan.
Firestar WAS KILLED BY THE TREE. He got hardly any wounds from Tigerstar. I just read the Last Hope, so I would know.
I reread the last hope, and it said that Firestar died from his wounds. The tree was representing him: flame of the tree gets distinguished, meaning he had died. THEN the tree fell NEAR him.
Or so I believe...
I loved the character of Dovewing. Everyone calls her a Mary Sue, yet she is not. She is full of flaws. She 'abandoned' her sister, she caused love drama, but she had such an impact on the plot. I always admired the 'flawed characters', they struggle but don't know how to handle the problem... The flawed characters are strong, but no one sees that.
Another common thing I've found with the Warriors books in general is that the cats don't seem to keep any one personality, it seems to be whatever fits the scene with the characters given.
the fact that sign of the moon came out wayyy back in 2011 almost gave me a heart attack cause that was 6 years ago and I remember when it was new
"there's this weird sense in this whole arc that our main characters are too busy to talk to each other 99% of the time." this is so true! it bugged me so much while reading it!
The Three + Ivypool's relationship could be similar to that of The New Prophecy cats in your "Let's Rewrite The New Prophecy" video. Their relationship, especially with Ivypool, could be tested constantly, making them realize why they instead of any other cat were chosen to have powers - while it wouldn't be uniting the Clans, it would unite the Three + Ivypool, and character development and relationships voila have appeared!
The sibling relationships could also be stressed out a lot as well, maybe incorporating Bright Guardian Akira's 4 Ways To Make Sol Better suggestion of a Sol-Jayfeather personal connection but instead in Omen of the Stars. And for Ivy/Dove, Ivypool could save Dovewing from a badger or a Dark Forest Cat (or Breezepelt . . .) and Dovewing could save Ivypool from something else after that, showing how much they would risk. This could lead to them fighting together during the Final Battle, and make Ivypool's stress of Dovewing leaving plus Dovewing's worry about Ivypool's feelings be a bit more prevalent in Tigerheart's Shadow/AVoS.
And for Jay/Lion bonding . . . TAKE LIONBLAZE WITH YOU TO BECOME LION'S ROAR, SEE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS! MAYBE EVEN BRING DOVEWING ALONG AND MAKE IVYPOOL FEEL LEFT OUT THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE AN INCARNATION, FUELING HER LONELINESS!! THE CATS IN OMEN OF THE STARS AREN'T LONELY, THEY JUST LACK BASIC COMMUNICATION! Three + Ivypool could all experience their own loneliness, and eventually bond over and become a secure unit because of it.
Dovepaw: Flipping out
Ivypaw: Quit showing off!
Lol had no idea that people disliked it. It's my favorite series lol
Briarlight's Wish you do realize that just because you like something doesn't mean everyone else has to like it as well, right?
Even though I haven’t read the book I have seen the spoilers and i think I will enjoy the series but I really don’t want to read the last hope because lots of my favourite cats die aka fire star spotted leaf holly leaf fox leap and a bunch of others
KittyCat Sqaud-sian and Scarlett Wright I didn’t want to read it either for the same reason, but honestly I really liked the last hope! One of my favourite books in warriors, actually. So I think you should give it a try!
Shell232 you know what I agree I will give it a try thx
Somebody now finally feels what I feel when people say they dislike it. ( even though everybody has their own opinion on it )
I loved Flametail and it's nice to find some praise for him.
I think giving the characters more chapters would have been a great idea!(entire book for Ivypool!)
Okay but I loved the entirety of omen of the stars
Even when I was crying in my bed over Ferncloud
I cried so hard at the end of book 6, Tue Last Hope.
I get the urge to re-write this whole series now. WONDERFUL NEW IDEAS :D
Omen of the stars was okay I guess but the last hope was my favorite in the series because it is just so emotional in the end when sooo many of the characters we grew to know die and lose so much. Some of the clan cats are left broken! like dustpelt poor dustpelt when ferncloud dies and like firestar when he sees spottedleaf dies and knows that spottedleaf won't be there for him when he joins starclan and then sandstorm when firestar does AHHHHH but by far I love the Apprentice quest in the 5th arc xD
I actually really liked the part when Breezepelt started to beat up Jayfeather (not because I don’t like him of course) it really showed how loyal and stubborn Jayfeather was to Thumderlcan, and was very emotional for me! Poppyfrost was just absolutely terrified, and Jayfeather really stood up for her, even if he took a beating, they pulled through!
OMG WAIT WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE BEAVERS I WAS SO SURPRISED THAT IT WASNT JUST SOME WEIRD FEVER DREAM I HAD BACK THEN I-
Will never stop staring at the eye changing in your animation Tennelle
Okay, i agree with most of what you are saying execpt i think in sign of the moon it should be jayfeather and dovewing because dovewing needs to have her perspective, so the reader understands that she is shaken by seeing what she saw. This is just my opinion, and i am open to new ones
GOD THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THE FLAMETAIL CHAPTERS! I loved those, it was the only part of the arc I loved.
I'm not very happy with what happened to the warrior series. The first series was great. i loved it! But then the new prophecy... eh, it was.. actually really good! I loved Power of three, and then omen of the stars. Now, i *HATE* this series. its all about dovewing, and shes always whining about something. im not happy about where the warrior series has gone.
I feel like Erin Hunter has no idea what to do next so they are just repeating the other books over, just with different characters. *No offence to anyone, this is just my opinion*
~Bunbun
You realize we've moved on to a series 6, right? Omen of the Stars wasn't the best despite my love for it, but the following series, Dawn of the Clans, amazingly made up for it. And now we have an even better 6th series.
Chronos thank you for mentioning Dawn of the Clans! I feel as if it's not even half as popular as the current arc and it's so good!
Dovewing never whines, she just acts complains because she wants to be like her sister, Ivypool. She doesn't want to make her jealous so she complains that she doesn't want to be part of the prophecy.
DoTC is SOOOO good and very emotional, I REALLY suggest reading it.
Gray Wing and Clear Skys relationship is so fun to watch play out, and to see the beginning of everything
I cried so many times reading those books!
Omen of The Stars was and still is my favorite series because for me, it feels like Omen of the Stars focuses more on the characters than the story. I love seeing all of the cats emotions and how they would actin certain situations. However because OotS has a lack of telling the actual story, you don't get to see what (like you said) would happen if one of the cats was about to die how would they feel?
My favorite books in each arc are probably: Into The Wild, Moonrise, Sunrise, Fading Echoes, The Blazing Star, and Shattered Sky, my favorite Super Edition/Novella is Yellowfang's secret, and my favorite manga book is a Shadow In RiverClan. (I haven't been able to read the Broken Code yet).
Here's a sentence that half explains the new prophecy's problem.They described a cat eating.
I'm reading this arc for the first time, so I am very excited for this review.
So good to hear someone talking about this. I had so many conflicting feelings towards this arc, ending up disliking it overall except for a few key moments, such as Dovewing struggling with being overwhelmed by her power, since I suffer from a hearing condition that causes me similar difficulties and pain. Maybe I'll give the arc a second chance with your points in mind and end up enjoying it more.
Anyone else who actually liked Omen of the Stars?
It's my favorite series.
Solarstarz same
I did liked it but the fourth apprentice ruined it
I have to say, That omen of the stars has to be one of my favorites because the relantionship with ivypool and dovewing, and I especially loved Night Whispers. The view we got on Shadowclan was amazing, and I really loved Flametail. I also really enjoyed having some view again in the mountain cats and Jayfeathers relantionship with the ancients. But there is also some things that I would have fixed. However, Omen of the Stars has to be one of my favorite series.
you know it's good when she puts a "part 1" on the video.
Great points! I think I agreed with everything you had to say. The splitting of chapters among all the different characters is the biggest sore point for me. Throughout the series we know everything that's going on, there's no mystery to keep the pages turning. For example, Ivypool's plot would have been so much more compelling to me if for a while we had no idea why she kept waking up with scratches and came to learn that other cats in other clans were as well before eventually getting a big dark forest reveal. Instead, we know what's going on in whole and only really have room to wonder about what happened a particular night, which is consistently 'dark forest cats acted obviously evil and there was some rigorous training' plus maybe one important plot point. Everything's spelled out for us.
Can we talk about Jayfeather’s relationship with the stick? He had a closer relationship with a piece of wood than his own brother
YOU’RE SO RIGHT THO-
I still love omen of the stars it's definitely my favorite series even though I can definitely find some flaws it just really stands out to me
Omen of the stars is personally my favorite ark, and am glad you provided reasons it's a good ark :3
6:59
''Prophercy MumboJumbo''
My brother-''Is someone talkig about my fave youtuber, Mumbo Jumbo xD
I'd just like to say: I think there should've been MANY "It should've been Hollyleaf" moments between Jayfeather and Lionblaze. It would've solidified their bond and how much they miss their sister, as well as make the tunnel scene where they search for Hollyleaf's body more believable. Speaking of searching for Hollyleaf, I would've accepted that scene being so late if the three made it obvious they were too busy to go search for her. Sad as it may be, they had lives, and they thought Hollyleaf was dead.
Wow this video is really interesting! You pointed out lots of things that I hadn't noticed while reading OotS, like how there are way too many cats perspectives in the books. Now that I think about it your right. (PLEASE DO MORE)
"I've seen some crazy shit with ya man, but I've got your back."
Sums up the Lion Gaurd in my OOTS au.
Okay, I read all of these books when I was in middle school, that us, up until Omen of the Stars. I read the first 2 books, received the 3rd and 4th as gifts, but never got around to reading them. I got into high school, read other books, graduated, and now I'm working my way through classic literature. I always knew I was missing out on the rest of the story as I saw fan video after fan video, but I recently wandered into the kid's section of Barnes and Noble, saw AAAAAALL of the old books with the new covers, the rest of Omen of the Stars, and the arches that followed. I remember thinking, "Oh. My. Gosh. They're still going!" Part of me really misses these books; they were a huge part of my middle school years, however... At some point, I lost track of character arches (So many characters. So many point of views. So many romances and "who's kit is this? Where they from?"), and I was so behind by now. I would have to reread the first two Omen of the Stars books and the rest of the books. I just couldn't keep track, unfortunately! :/
I'm having a problem reading Dawn. I can't get into and I'm like 115 pages in (I think). I think it's because I really *really* don't like squirrelpaw.
**Opens arms ready for hate**
TicTacCat All I have to say is this: She gets better.
I remember reading that part when lionblaze and jayfeather talk about hollyleaf in the tunnels. I loved that part because loonblaze and jayfeather actually talk about something that is emotional for once in forever!
Thanks for posting another video, I'm a big fan!
Can someone tell me if a vision of shadows shattered sky is a new book as in last 2 months or has it been out for a while I can't remember the full length to which I've read.
I understand the idea with flame tail bringing some drama in to the books not to make them boring, but when you think about it, this was how it ended up being. You get introduced to flame tail, it's interesting seeing it from another clan, and flametail's kinda cute tbh. Then he gets thrown into the lake and dies horribly. It doesn't even change the story later in the books. There're some shenanigans about jayfeather murdering flametail (although it's BS lol) but that doesn't change anything either. Technically you get introduced to a cute cat, he does, and that's it.
As many problems as OotS had, it still has one of my favorite character arcs in the series with Jayfeather as he confronts a lot of stuff he hasn’t really been able to let go off, whether it was his faith, or his relationship with Leafpool being rekindled. If there’s one moment I point back to as one of my favorite scenes in the series, it is easily Jayfeather accepting Leafpool back into the Medicine Cat role.
I'm legitimately freaked out now, I stopped reading warriors after sign of the moon too, a week or so ago I got backi nto reading up on what I'd missed and the other day finally purchased the last 2 (3 if I count bramblestars storm) books needed to round out my collection (at least for now).
I actually think Omen of the stars had some really good character relationships. I love how Jayfeather and Lionblaze got closer and Ivypool and Dovewing's relationship. I also think the subtle mentionings of Firestar and Sandstorm's relationship. Longtail and Mousefur's friendship is also really beautiful.
I say that Omen of the Stars should be redone, by the fans or not, and we should make it overall better. Something like what was said here, with Sign of the Moon being the first book instead of The Fourth Apprentice. It just sounds so much better this way!
That little "oh my god" on the pace chart gets me every time
SERIOUSLY!!! I LOVED IT IT WAS GREAT, just I loved it the way it was Erin Hunter was great
"Tigerheart is there"
Not sure why that made me crack up. Great video!
I really think the way dawn of the clans split the chapters was the best. I was so invested in every character and their relationships. When things were supposed to hurt they HURT.
Omen of the stars is my favorite book because it has my favorite character in it Briarlight
So coming back to watch this once I’d read the books. I think I would’ve enjoyed omen of the stars ten times more if I hadn’t watched this.
The fourth apprentice is my favorite book. I had high expectations going on, yet the next several books didn’t live up to them, and I think if I were to go back into reading them without the expectations-like I did with heroes of Olympus-I would enjoy OTS much more
The Last Hope was sick! One of my favorites tbh..
I only bought all of the omen of the stars books because jay feather was in them... I'm not sorry.
I stopped reading at the Fourth Apprentice. It was getting too overwhelming and I didn't have the money to keep getting them... Our library doesn't have anything past the Darkest Hour... I'm so behind x3
I am a HUGE fan of your vids. This video actaully is what got me into warriors. YOU NEED TO TEACH ME HOW TO DRAW LIKE THAT!
I relate to Dovewing power wise.I have heightened senses.I'm really sad it was only used for plot convenience,and taken away way later
I love the Simmy design! It's so coool! I wish I could draw like that!
I got the feels at the end ;-;
Omen of the Stars is my favorite arc
One of my favourite parts of this arc is the journey as Jay's Wing
oh my gosh, I stopped at the exact same point you did! Never read Sign of the Moon!
I like how you made Dovepaw have different eye colors in your little animation
I just realized that in the "I spoil The Fourth Apprentice for everybody" video, dovepaws eye color was constantly changing. I can't stop laughing. God help me
13:24 "I've seen some crazy s**t with you man!" Same, dude.
Honestly, Omen of the Stars is probably my favourite Warrors arc- perhaps out of pure nostalgic sentiment, due to The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes being the second and third Warriors books I ever read- but I do think people overlook it because of the powers- as if the series wasn't already unrealistic before what with cats building thrones of bones and getting extra lives from sparkly dead cats.
But despite it's fast pacing and mediocre 'final' battle, Omen of the Stars had a certain sense of adventure to it that even the first and second arcs didn't have. We got to travel to entirely new areas of teh Warriors world and see some old ones again. We got to see the story from multiple different points of view, with each one looking into a different group of characters- with Dovewing we got to see some of Tigerheart's story and with Ivypool we got to see what Blossomfall was up to, along with the cats of the Dark Forest.
And then there are the characters. While Into the Wild, the first book I'd read, didn't really spark my interest into any of the characters, I loved Dovewing right away and eventually grew to like Ivypool after she matured out of her jealousy issues. And by the time I read The Forgotten Warrior, I'd read the rest of the books available at that time, so I got to see the return of another favourite, Hollyleaf. But in comparison to the first two arcs, the characters in Omen of the Stars just seem so much more real and relatable, each with their own flaws and development that shaped them into characters worth reading about, whereas the cats in the first two arcs seemed rather flat and one-sided- not to say that they were bad, but they were certainly less interesting.
So that's my opinion on the matter. Now I am well aware of how unpopular an opinion it is, and I'd like to remind everyone that this is simply MY opinion and I am not forcing it on anyone else or trying to tell everyone their opinion is wrong. Thank you, and have a nice day.
Personally I enjoyed OotS a lot as is, and IK others did too.
Can’t say I’ve noticed any leaps in logic and the characters felt fine to me. I also didn’t mind starclan and dark forest being more involved.
I even enjoyed the ending.
I don’t get why some hate/dislike them, but to each their own.
I enjoy just about everything in TBP, PO3, and Omen about equally myself.
The plot does not make leaps in logic and isn’t nonsensical and character motivation is perfectly consistent with past books.
I liked how starclan and the dark forest got more involved for this story
I was satisfied with the ending
I don’t like seeing something I genuinely enjoyed get hated on.
hey, so idk if you’re gonna read this but… i really need you to rewrite the omen of the stars. I LOVED the power of three and need more! Two years! So take this into consideration, love your content and thanks for reading - waiting for shadow to come out, hoping i dont get disappointed
Wow you know a lot about writing and story lines and all that great stuff. You should write a book, or make an animation series or something!