I am by no means as impressed with this expert's credentials as I was with the Prosecution's. Seems more like this guy kinda just fell into the job and joined some organizations more than actually pursuing a legitimate education in forensic analysis! And anyone that knows anything about the Peterson murder knows that was just a MESS of a trial and in my opinion doesn't make me appreciate this man's experience any more!
Not true. I know Tim, was his roomie in college. He’s been in forensics since 1979, got his degree in forensics, was the head of the CT. Crime lab, etc. and has been expanding his knowledge and expertise in this his chosen specialty for decades.
Wish we knew what Prosecutor keeps getting away with not allowing defense put stuff in for defense like the cops walking driving all over crime scene . Like Maggie data I think prosecutor lying about not getting Paul data for a year Alex was willing to give pass words to Maggie ,Paul phone . Why would cops investigator tell Alex brother the found Maggie phone on high way that they didn't need it they waiting on data . Then after Alex brother call officer again told him where he found it . Then all sudden the cops wanted phone . But then tell defense their was data saved which was lie it saving before show when she arrive to the house dog kettle . I think Alex telling truth I don't think he ever had Maggie phone I think Maggie data proved that . I think all of it needs be investigated . With cops making sure everything that help Alex was destroy by cops
No matter what, Alex asked both Maggie and Paul to come home that night, but he didn’t ask Buster (?). What time did he do that??? Before or after being confronted at the firm??? Why wasn’t Buster asked to come home?? If in reference to finding out about his father, when were just Maggie and Paul asked to be there that night, but not Buster? I’m still not convinced Buster didn’t know this info.
I don't think Buster knew anything I don't think Alex even did this .stealing ,lier don't make him killer . The guy had 45 pending criminal charges on him . I sure he didn't want to say he their Bec he put him at the scene . But fact is I think if he admitted being their I think he would of found him not guilty Bec fact is prosecutor didn't prove murder . They prove he stole lies just like all lawyers do including prosecutor . This guy explain better than the prosecutor did .
@@chriscypret5365 At the time of the murders he had NO criminal charges. It was around Labor Day when the partners finally figured out what he’d done and fired him.
Sound like Paul was the one help more on farm then buster . Paul more of outside kid .Buster didn't like doing it . I say that why Paul ask to help everyone focus on Alex ..why isn't no one ever focus on Rogon Paul so called friend that pointed everything Alex like he set him up Rogon brings dog over Sunday night ,Monday night they killed . Rogon supposedly didn't no if he's dog tail mess up when he drop it off really ..Paul taking to Rogon when phone died . But Rogon tells cops he so worry about Paul calling over over up until 9:59 Then Alex gets homes finds them shortly after notice they still wasn't back or answer phone still run down check on them . After gets off with 911 he called Rogon Bec he's closes to he's house ,brothers .Why didn't Rogon answer Alex he could found out Paul wasn't ok . Then don't return he's calls any other time he answer Alex . Then when he talks to Alex for 4 min ask if he down at Kettle ..Then went straight to cops said Alex down their .Alex told 911 he last seen them in Person
What weighs a heavy burden on my heart and in my mind is, Maggie nor Paul woke up that morning not thinking that they wouldn't live to see another day of sunshine and, being around the friends & family that they loved an enjoying Life! I can't imagine what was the last thing that was going threw their minds looking in the eyes of a husband and father whom they loved & trusted to always protect them. Soo Damn Sad. My heart goes out to the family and friends. May Gods grace give them all the peace & comfort needed at this time in their time of sorrow. RIP Miss Maggie & Paul. I Truly Hope That Alex Is Haunted Everyday & Night For The Rest Of His Life
Their you go a lot people hated this family exsp over the girl dying in boat wreck . Their is plenty evidence that prove reasonable doubt . People need to remember prosecutor are lawyer to / lies just like Alex . That take favor all the time in best interest of themself at expense poor people . Prosecutor own paid witness couldn't even match family gun with any of the murder bullets . No one think is not f up that it was high profile case as this was that whole police department walk drove over evidence that coul d of prove Alex innocent or guilt . Tell me they already had it rig from get go that it was Alex never look no where else . Even throw thief was tire tracks .finger prints .DNA . Foot print that was Alex . And supposedly couldn't get data of Maggie phone but go lie to juror accusing Alex throwing it out even through evidence of it . Cops didn't want Maggie phone when Alex brother found it
This guy is charging $13,000 for a few hours work. He should be a forensic pathologist. So, 13 grand to say “you should hire a forensic pathologist. What a jip.
@@giama7618 Yes you definitely learn to not cry all the time when discussing the details as time goes on. Plus he may have been deesensitized since he's probably had to talk about the murders so many times.
Yeah that’s how it happened. Just like every other aspect of this defense, stories to fit the damming evidence after lie after lie was brought out in trial. Lawyers and entitled good ole boys galore in that part of SC! I just pray that jury isn’t as stupid as all of them think they are!
I thought AM was guilty..until seeing this man’s testimony. He’s really good..maybe AM had something to do with it..but I don’t think he’s the shooter…prayers for everyone involved.
@CRP LLC washed himself off with hose, it wasnt hung up, took guns covered in blowback etc, bundled up with clothes, showered at the house, clean clothes on, there was blood on steering wheel, he did step out about 500 steps at the house??why? Is there a hidden compartment in the house, somewhere, out building, a Well, blue rain coat covered with GSR, hidden at mother's house, aside from the blue raincoat the clothes & guns are together" somewhere "
@@marshadavies8440 when this guy says the shooter would have blood and tissue in his face …seems obvious that shooter didn’t get another gun to shoot Maggie.
@@traciemcdaniel3660 Exactly. That’s the problem with a lot of the prosecutions data especially cell phone. The defense should have done their own requests from the phone company instead of relying on what the prosecution had.
This expert witness’ theory is a red herring. Even if there was more than one shooter, Alex was still involved. The defense’s theory is that someone had an axe to grind with the family, but the only people who elicited that much contempt were Alex and Paul. Nevertheless, the shooter killed Maggie in place of Alex and the shooter’s failure to pursue his vendetta forced Alex to *_arrange an attempted murder of his own life_* to maintain that appearance.
Right. No one talks about where exactly Maggie could have been when Paul was shot. Maybe she was out of sight in the main hangar when her husband blew her son’s brains out. He then goes and puts the shotgun down. She comes out of the hangar and circles around the corner to see what the heck is going on. Alex sees her, grabs the rifle and blasts her. People assume this went down in less than 20 seconds. It could have taken 60 or 90 seconds.
If the defense paid that much money to this witness,the defense team probably told him to say things that would confuse the jury. There was not two shooters Alec M is responsible for this murder
No that's not how that works. He is paid to interpret the evidence in the favor of Alex, yes, but it must be based on actual evidence. You can't make anything up can't just tell him to say whatever. Interpreting evidence is subjective but we tend to believe most medical professionals. Sometimes they're wrong though. That's why they always say get a second opinion. People can interpret differently if the evidence is there.
Actually, most expert witnesses are usually paid for their time. And yes, they are encouraged to read the evidence in a way to benefit the side they are being employed by. They can't CHANGE the evidence, but their interpretation can be "bent". It's up to the jury to look at the actual evidence provided and make their own judgement...not just based on their emotions.
In the cross examination I would ask, “Based on your testimony, the most dangerous place for anyone to be when a shotgun is placed against the skull of the victim is back in the direction of the barrel. The safest place to be is in line of the direction the pellets are moving when they exit the barrel. Is that correct?”
Why be hateful about it? Why not just say "that woman attorney" because she's obviously an adult. Are you jealous? I agree she wasn't as good as Creighton but I'm not going to insult her.
Boy the defense really spent $500k well with this joker & the Not A Doctor guy who checked Maggie & Paul’s temp by sticking his hand in their armpits. 🙄😐Dr Remer (sp) & Dr Kenny Kinsey smoked them all with credibility. I don’t get why that armpit guy didn’t have a thermometer of any kind. They looked so low rent putting those two on.. this guy lives in a state where AR’s aren’t even legal. There’s No way Paul shot himself or anyone shot down through the top of his head. I guess Dick & Jim thought the jury was ignorant. Fooled Them! The audience isn’t buying into it either. Guilty Guy Locked Up. 🙏🏻 RIP Maggie & Paul.
Very good analysis. Where are the guns? These are extremely heavy guns, if Maggie heard Paul getting shot and was SO CLOSE, it would be very difficult for one shooter to drop the first gun and pick up the second gun to shoot Maggie.
Not hard at all. I grew up with guns, and my family are avid hunters & fisherman. It is not hard at all. I can shoot with two guns, however they're hand guns.
You are right .That’s what I thought they had to be shot at the same time or one of them would have had a chance to run.Two shooters and they took the guns with them .I believe Alec is innocent!
I agree, neither are running or shot in the back which would indicate them running. It seems impossible to me that it is just Alex. I think he did lie, steal but I don’t think he killed his family.
I agree. How about if someone caught on to what he was doing and was black mailing him and then found out that AM was gonna come clean. Maybe that is where the majority of the money was going to. And Am was finally gonna let it all out, and they showed up to convince him that he better keep his mouth shut. He could have been there, but I don't think he did it. I think he may have witnessed it though. Just a thought.
Now I understand why the guns vanished. IMO a hired killer wouldn’t get that close to hurt themselves and dirty the gun, take it home and have to clean it for ever.but a killer in plain view would cover his face ( I’m sure on cold hunting days they had face protection in the shed by the kennels ) hide the dirty guns and mask/clothing Shower shower shower...
Danka. When he said he was hot and need AC I knew he was over dressed. And he forgot to tell us about the shower he had before he went to moms. Not a nap
AM and Paul had guns with them driving around the property. AM lied about that too. Because he knows there are no witness to this. Wild hogs around day or night I’d carry a gun.
How come he didn’t talk about why both spent shells were inside the feed room. Shouldn’t one shell have landed outside opposite feed room if shot came from above?
I haven't really followed this case. It seems most of us are not sure and we now have expert analysis indicating two shooters then I don't think the jury is fully capable of deciding guilt. The two-killer theory should be rebutted by the prosecutors and in their closing argument and speculation that the shooter or shooters "would have been literally covered in all that material” should be rebutted and they need to show how Murdock could have avoided being covered with material and how he could clean up enough to pass casual police inspection of his body and damage done to him.
Shot to the head, with matter going up is similar to the reason JFK's head goes back and to the left. Energy within the skull escapes through the path of least resistance, which would be near the entrance wound.
I wonder how many bullets from head shots are found back in the direction of the shooter. The defense bought an expert that’s sole purpose was to cast doubt. Paul was facing 3/4 towards the shooter with his left side farther from the gun. He got an oblique chest shot that spun him around about 100 degrees. He slouched forward slightly in pain and the second shot scooted a furrow in his shoulder and crashed into the back of his skull sending everything everywhere in a chunky cloud of flesh and pellets. The shooter went and put the gun down and Maggie came out of the hangar/workshop and rounded the corner to see what the heck happened. Alex grabbed the rifle and confronted her blasting away. He grabbed the guns and Maggie’s phone and put them in his suv. He went back to the house and showered. He bagged his bloody clothes and drove to Almeda to see his father. Just outside the main entrance to the property he pitched Maggie’s phone. His bloody clothes that were seen in the tik tok video were put in a dumpster or the woods and swamps in the 5 miles to his parents house. No one has found the clothes he wore earlier that day. Allegedly.
Because these guns are very long and heavy, if the two murders happened fairly quickly, then one shooter wouldn't be able drop one gun and orient themselves to shoot Maggie. The blow back of the shotgun literally blowing Paul's brain out of his skull would be intense. Blood, brain and skull matter would blowback on the shooter if the barrel was as close to Paul as they determined through the blood pattern stipple.
Could it possibly be AM paid two people from his past (nasty boy clients) a lot of the money to kill his family? Several million could set up someone very well! This may have been planned for a long time. He actually made that comment. The time frame is just so tight, and that may have been the reason he checked Paul's phone to see how much was videod, MM's phone as well. Either way I do not doubt that he did it!
He knew Maggie's password, so everything was deleted. Then tossed out the window. Speeding up after tossing it. Too bad (sarcasm) he didn't think that deleted calls or texts can be retrieved. He picked up "paw paws" phone to delete information too, but couldn't figure out the password.
He would have been too greedy to pay anyone. He would have done it himself. He was about to lose his bar license for all his crime. Which means those big checks was about too stop. Most of the estate was in Maggie’s name. She would of probably also would have left him once finding this out. She already was living in anymore house away from him. Then on top of this crumbling down on him. His son fucked up and caused the boating accident/lawsuit that was gonna cost him millions on top of everything. Killing Maggie would have saved him from the embarrassment of her knowing the crimes he did/public embarrassment of a divorce and taking whatever he had left over from the estate. Mostly everything was in her name.Killing Paul would also kill the boat case lawsuit saving him millions from the beach family. In the end he needed all that stuff to continue his lifestyle/name/drug habit. While also everyone feeling sorry for him being a victim.
this guy may be a forensic superstar, but he's not easy to follow and I'm sure the jury is having trouble understanding his logic. Dr. Kinsey made the ballistics and blood spatter evidence so understandable, and explained how everything moved and the damage that was caused. This guy has great credentials, but in this case I don't think he's able to explain his theories in a way that makes sense to the jury. Forensics people might understand what he's speaking about, but some of the things he's saying are confusing to the regular viewer, and he seems to just think that they should just accept that that was the way it happened, because that's his opinion. The case of duelling experts, but Dr. Kinsey is from the south, and I think the jury will agree with him more easily, AND he's adorable!
The man made $8,000 for his time! Plus travel expenses & room & board! So … He certainly is going to say whatever the Defense Attorneys “paid” him to say! Just sayin’ 😏
15 grand for absolutely nothing at all to help prove reasonable doubt. fukin laughable how bad the defense did here and the entire case. not too mention they let the much smaller waters badger the much larger murdaugh the entire time raising basically zero objections to it.
So far this expert’s testimony doesn’t help me to believe that Alex M. Is innocent. What I am convinced of is the shooter of Paul was out of his mind, and HAD to use the hose to clean himself up. Also Paul never saw this coming, if someone that was angry with him wouldn’t they want him to see WHOM was sending him to meet his maker? If anything, this testimony only helps me to believe he knew his killer well, very well, and he would never survive to talk. I believe he was killed by his father. I also believe that Alex kept a hit man on his payroll, that’s where all that money went, and why he had to keep stealing.
@@Ultorvindex Just A fool? Thats an idiotic statement. So immediately your credibility is in question. He has a lot of REAL world experience. What is your bias? Because you want to believe in Murdaughs guilt, you toss out any measure of common sense? It's obvious Alex is a scumbag that should spend the rest of his life in prison, but I don't let that get in the way. There is reasonable doubt, and that's all he needs in the eyes of the law. It's amazing how much you people don't know about the legal system.
Alex could have got a gun to shoot injured bird ,paul and his mom would have not been alarmed when seeing alex with gun! Mom wouldnt have been alarm hearing the first 2 shots!
Ok gotta say it ...Does anyone else think it was possible that Paul killed mom, then killed himself .We know mom and Paul were not real close .She favored buster. He knows he has caused all these issues for the family and himself ,and more than likely feeling guilty about it all. Could pops be trying to cover it up for son,? When looking at the way Paul was shot and the blood spatter up above and angle to the dangle has me going hmmmm
That’s quite a feat shooting yourself twice with a shotgun. It takes a man’s man to do that and the only person in history I know that did that was Earnest Hemingway.
What the heck are you on about!? Be truthful and just admit this man did a fantastic job. He’s so good he’s cast doubt on the States case. You cannot make stuff like that up. He was working of the States report. Pple like you make me sick because there’s no honesty, you just want your biase to win. Can’t take you seriously!!
(Edited to say I found it and posted link) I found out from a guest on JRE that blood spatter can be HIGHLY unreliable and that it's a junk science yet admissible in court. There's been people wrongly convicted because of it. There's so much more that he said but it's been a long time since I watched it. I'll try to find the episode I'm referring to. The guests that were there have a podcast and are involved with helping free people who have been wrongly convicted. I found it. ruclips.net/video/FQaWao_tQIY/видео.html
I am by no means as impressed with this expert's credentials as I was with the Prosecution's. Seems more like this guy kinda just fell into the job and joined some organizations more than actually pursuing a legitimate education in forensic analysis! And anyone that knows anything about the Peterson murder knows that was just a MESS of a trial and in my opinion doesn't make me appreciate this man's experience any more!
Not true. I know Tim, was his roomie in college. He’s been in forensics since 1979, got his degree in forensics, was the head of the CT. Crime lab, etc. and has been expanding his knowledge and expertise in this his chosen specialty for decades.
This guy is a Dodo. Dr Kinsey is absolutely 💯 right & his is the one who makes sense
“Dr. Palmbach, is it?” Haha. She’s smooth!
What a CROOK! Pathologist checked BOTH THE BODIES and this guy, DARES TO CLAIM SHE IS WRONG just BY LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS? WOW THE NERVE!
TIMOTHY PANBACH HAS NO DOCTORATE DEGREE AND NO CERTIFICATIONS. WHAT AN "EXPERT" THE DEFENSE BRINGS! HAHAHAHA
And why so much money to hear him!?!?
Wish we could see the diagrams and photos they are seeing. It would give a much better perspective.
Wish we knew what Prosecutor keeps getting away with not allowing defense put stuff in for defense like the cops walking driving all over crime scene . Like Maggie data I think prosecutor lying about not getting Paul data for a year Alex was willing to give pass words to Maggie ,Paul phone . Why would cops investigator tell Alex brother the found Maggie phone on high way that they didn't need it they waiting on data . Then after Alex brother call officer again told him where he found it . Then all sudden the cops wanted phone . But then tell defense their was data saved which was lie it saving before show when she arrive to the house dog kettle . I think Alex telling truth I don't think he ever had Maggie phone I think Maggie data proved that . I think all of it needs be investigated . With cops making sure everything that help Alex was destroy by cops
No matter what, Alex asked both Maggie and Paul to come home that night, but he didn’t ask Buster (?). What time did he do that??? Before or after being confronted at the firm??? Why wasn’t Buster asked to come home?? If in reference to finding out about his father, when were just Maggie and Paul asked to be there that night, but not Buster? I’m still not convinced Buster didn’t know this info.
I honestly believe Buster knew what was going to happen. Part of me really believes Buster was in on this. It's sad :(
It was after Jeanne Seckinger Talked To Him & he got the call about his dad being terminal.
I don't think Buster knew anything I don't think Alex even did this .stealing ,lier don't make him killer . The guy had 45 pending criminal charges on him . I sure he didn't want to say he their Bec he put him at the scene . But fact is I think if he admitted being their I think he would of found him not guilty Bec fact is prosecutor didn't prove murder . They prove he stole lies just like all lawyers do including prosecutor . This guy explain better than the prosecutor did .
@@chriscypret5365 At the time of the murders he had NO criminal charges. It was around Labor Day when the partners finally figured out what he’d done and fired him.
Sound like Paul was the one help more on farm then buster . Paul more of outside kid .Buster didn't like doing it . I say that why Paul ask to help everyone focus on Alex ..why isn't no one ever focus on Rogon Paul so called friend that pointed everything Alex like he set him up Rogon brings dog over Sunday night ,Monday night they killed . Rogon supposedly didn't no if he's dog tail mess up when he drop it off really ..Paul taking to Rogon when phone died . But Rogon tells cops he so worry about Paul calling over over up until 9:59 Then Alex gets homes finds them shortly after notice they still wasn't back or answer phone still run down check on them . After gets off with 911 he called Rogon Bec he's closes to he's house ,brothers .Why didn't Rogon answer Alex he could found out Paul wasn't ok . Then don't return he's calls any other time he answer Alex . Then when he talks to Alex for 4 min ask if he down at Kettle ..Then went straight to cops said Alex down their .Alex told 911 he last seen them in Person
What weighs a heavy burden on my heart and in my mind is, Maggie nor Paul woke up that morning not thinking that they wouldn't live to see another day of sunshine and, being around the friends & family that they loved an enjoying Life!
I can't imagine what was the last thing that was going threw their minds looking in the eyes of a husband and father whom they loved & trusted to always protect them. Soo Damn Sad.
My heart goes out to the family and friends. May Gods grace give them all the peace & comfort needed at this time in their time of sorrow.
RIP Miss Maggie & Paul.
I Truly Hope That Alex Is Haunted Everyday & Night For The Rest Of His Life
Even though Paul killed a girl?
None of us know when we wake up in the morning if this is our last day.
Neither did Mallory
Yes sir
Their you go a lot people hated this family exsp over the girl dying in boat wreck . Their is plenty evidence that prove reasonable doubt . People need to remember prosecutor are lawyer to / lies just like Alex . That take favor all the time in best interest of themself at expense poor people . Prosecutor own paid witness couldn't even match family gun with any of the murder bullets . No one think is not f up that it was high profile case as this was that whole police department walk drove over evidence that coul d of prove Alex innocent or guilt . Tell me they already had it rig from get go that it was Alex never look no where else . Even throw thief was tire tracks .finger prints .DNA . Foot print that was Alex . And supposedly couldn't get data of Maggie phone but go lie to juror accusing Alex throwing it out even through evidence of it . Cops didn't want Maggie phone when Alex brother found it
This guy is charging $13,000 for a few hours work. He should be a forensic pathologist. So, 13 grand to say “you should hire a forensic pathologist. What a jip.
Like I said all lawyer lier steals
Paul's hands would only be up if he believes the person pointing the gun would shoot
Did they ever analyze the cabin near the kennel? A place to wash off shower ect.
Costly hot air.
That's your opinion. This testimony is based on science and facts, not fiction.
I am really astonished at how composed and seeming like lack of any emotions during the whole trial of Buster. His brothers seem more emotional to me,
It’s been two years since the murders happen. People tend to move on
@@giama7618 Yes you definitely learn to not cry all the time when discussing the details as time goes on. Plus he may have been deesensitized since he's probably had to talk about the murders so many times.
@@TheVAULTofHORROR Yet Alex manages to cry on cue *every single time!!!!*
Looks like someone else to try to confuse the jury why don't just tell the jury we are gonna throw as much garbage as we can .
This is definitely not garbage. These people are professionals and charge for their years of knowledge. It's called reasonable doubt.
@@MsTHORNANATOR The only 'doubt' this creates is to the direction of the second shot.
Yeah that’s how it happened. Just like every other aspect of this defense, stories to fit the damming evidence after lie after lie was brought out in trial. Lawyers and entitled good ole boys galore in that part of SC! I just pray that jury isn’t as stupid as all of them think they are!
They were not. Unlike some of the morone believing this guy.
I thought AM was guilty..until seeing this man’s testimony. He’s really good..maybe AM had something to do with it..but I don’t think he’s the shooter…prayers for everyone involved.
Dogs would have been barking, alert Maggie, & Paul, there were others there. If there were shooters, why then did AM lie, shower & change clothes etc
@CRP LLC washed himself off with hose, it wasnt hung up, took guns covered in blowback etc, bundled up with clothes, showered at the house, clean clothes on, there was blood on steering wheel, he did step out about 500 steps at the house??why? Is there a hidden compartment in the house, somewhere, out building, a Well, blue rain coat covered with GSR, hidden at mother's house, aside from the blue raincoat the clothes & guns are together" somewhere "
Murdaugh did not have time to do all of this..... There's no way.
@@marshadavies8440 when this guy says the shooter would have blood and tissue in his face …seems obvious that shooter didn’t get another gun to shoot Maggie.
@CRP LLC if it were all so simple
this testimony lost me, what is the point? get to what you are saying and how it is pertinent to the case...
The point is that the shooter may have been injured during the shooting and the possibility of 2 people doing the act. Very pertinent.
There was no biological material found in the house or golf cart, Suburban, etc.
I don’t think he did much. They’ve wasted more money
Always wondered what ever happened to Morticia Adams…looks like she went into the legal profession.
That woman looks terrible. That Iggy Pop hairdo doesn't look good on anyone.
It seems like the prosecution just helped the expert witnesses' opinions. Her questioning was very helpful to the defense.
Exactly what I was thinking. I think that state knows they lost so they just found her somewhere and let you speak.
I think his response about his opinion is only based on what was sent to him was good
@@traciemcdaniel3660 Exactly. That’s the problem with a lot of the prosecutions data especially cell phone. The defense should have done their own requests from the phone company instead of relying on what the prosecution had.
Maybe helpful to the direction of the shot---- but of no help in the defense of the accused.
@@tsmith3286 what do you think of the verdict?
This expert witness’ theory is a red herring. Even if there was more than one shooter, Alex was still involved. The defense’s theory is that someone had an axe to grind with the family, but the only people who elicited that much contempt were Alex and Paul. Nevertheless, the shooter killed Maggie in place of Alex and the shooter’s failure to pursue his vendetta forced Alex to *_arrange an attempted murder of his own life_* to maintain that appearance.
Right. No one talks about where exactly Maggie could have been when Paul was shot. Maybe she was out of sight in the main hangar when her husband blew her son’s brains out. He then goes and puts the shotgun down. She comes out of the hangar and circles around the corner to see what the heck is going on. Alex sees her, grabs the rifle and blasts her. People assume this went down in less than 20 seconds. It could have taken 60 or 90 seconds.
If the defense paid that much money to this witness,the defense team probably told him to say things that would confuse the jury.
There was not two shooters Alec M is responsible for this murder
No that's not how that works. He is paid to interpret the evidence in the favor of Alex, yes, but it must be based on actual evidence. You can't make anything up can't just tell him to say whatever. Interpreting evidence is subjective but we tend to believe most medical professionals. Sometimes they're wrong though. That's why they always say get a second opinion. People can interpret differently if the evidence is there.
THESE WITNESSES ARE PROFESSIONALS, THEY DON'T SAY WHAT THE LAWYERS WANT THEM TO SAY. THEY WOULD JUST NOT ACCEPT THE CASE.
@@MsTHORNANATOR but they choose witnesses that will agree with what they want them to say.
Actually, most expert witnesses are usually paid for their time. And yes, they are encouraged to read the evidence in a way to benefit the side they are being employed by. They can't CHANGE the evidence, but their interpretation can be "bent". It's up to the jury to look at the actual evidence provided and make their own judgement...not just based on their emotions.
You people are such scholars on here !!! Not !!!
who else noticed Sam Waterston in the background 😂
This dude embarrassed himself and that Henry Lee Institute that he came from. What kind of nonsense are they teaching their students?
In the cross examination I would ask,
“Based on your testimony, the most dangerous place for anyone to be when a shotgun is placed against the skull of the victim is back in the direction of the barrel. The safest place to be is in line of the direction the pellets are moving when they exit the barrel. Is that correct?”
Insane. I know that the defense has to try everything , but my goodness.
😁😁 👏🏻
What a disgrace, this so called expert was bought and paid for
That little girl attorney.. yeah …. No ..
Lol, I know, right?
I think she did a solid job 👌
Why be hateful about it? Why not just say "that woman attorney" because she's obviously an adult. Are you jealous? I agree she wasn't as good as Creighton but I'm not going to insult her.
@@VictoriaMarch13 🙄
@@VictoriaMarch13 🙄 .. as you run you’re mouth without knowing my experience in the last 30 years ..
Is it possible buster killed them and Alec is taking blame to keep son safe
Alex and Buster, Alex taking blame
Cross-examination at 1:14:50.
Go girl
Thank you!!
Boy the defense really spent $500k well with this joker & the Not A Doctor guy who checked Maggie & Paul’s temp by sticking his hand in their armpits. 🙄😐Dr Remer (sp) & Dr Kenny Kinsey smoked them all with credibility. I don’t get why that armpit guy didn’t have a thermometer of any kind. They looked so low rent putting those two on.. this guy lives in a state where AR’s aren’t even legal. There’s No way Paul shot himself or anyone shot down through the top of his head. I guess Dick & Jim thought the jury was ignorant. Fooled Them! The audience isn’t buying into it either. Guilty Guy Locked Up. 🙏🏻 RIP Maggie & Paul.
Very good analysis. Where are the guns? These are extremely heavy guns, if Maggie heard Paul getting shot and was SO CLOSE, it would be very difficult for one shooter to drop the first gun and pick up the second gun to shoot Maggie.
No its not, he had one in front of him and one over his back with a sling
Not hard at all. I grew up with guns, and my family are avid hunters & fisherman. It is not hard at all. I can shoot with two guns, however they're hand guns.
You are right .That’s what I thought they had to be shot at the same time or one of them would have had a chance to run.Two shooters and they took the guns with them .I believe Alec is innocent!
I agree, neither are running or shot in the back which would indicate them running. It seems impossible to me that it is just Alex. I think he did lie, steal but I don’t think he killed his family.
@@rhondadidomenico5052 bahahahahaha
I don’t think he did it but he definitely knows more than he’s letting on
I agree. How about if someone caught on to what he was doing and was black mailing him and then found out that AM was gonna come clean. Maybe that is where the majority of the money was going to. And Am was finally gonna let it all out, and they showed up to convince him that he better keep his mouth shut. He could have been there, but I don't think he did it. I think he may have witnessed it though. Just a thought.
@@leejohnson7293 no way
you clearly haven’t watched if you think he didn’t do it
His explanation of Paul’s wound doesn’t make any sense
Now I understand why the guns vanished. IMO a hired killer wouldn’t get that close to hurt themselves and dirty the gun, take it home and have to clean it for ever.but a killer in plain view would cover his face ( I’m sure on cold hunting days they had face protection in the shed by the kennels ) hide the dirty guns and mask/clothing Shower shower shower...
Very good point! I never thought of him wearing anything to cover his face. Maybe Paul and Maggie thought he was playing around at first.
Danka. When he said he was hot and need AC I knew he was over dressed. And he forgot to tell us about the shower he had before he went to moms. Not a nap
@@meowmeow-xp2pw excellent! I agree
AM and Paul had guns with them driving around the property. AM lied about that too. Because he knows there are no witness to this. Wild hogs around day or night I’d carry a gun.
@Sarah But not so difficult to avoid getting on you in the first place!!!!
How come he didn’t talk about why both spent shells were inside the feed room. Shouldn’t one shell have landed outside opposite feed room if shot came from above?
This guy is paid to throw shade on the case.
He just cast a massive shadow.
@@tsmith3286 Still BS only massive to the feeble minded.
Too much technical jargon. Was wasted on a non technical jury.
Great witness
I haven't really followed this case. It seems most of us are not sure and we now have expert analysis indicating two shooters then I don't think the jury is fully capable of deciding guilt. The two-killer theory should be rebutted by the prosecutors and in their closing argument and speculation that the shooter or shooters "would have been literally covered in all that material” should be rebutted and they need to show how Murdock could have avoided being covered with material and how he could clean up enough to pass casual police inspection of his body and damage done to him.
Shot to the head, with matter going up is similar to the reason JFK's head goes back and to the left. Energy within the skull escapes through the path of least resistance, which would be near the entrance wound.
I wonder how many bullets from head shots are found back in the direction of the shooter.
The defense bought an expert that’s sole purpose was to cast doubt.
Paul was facing 3/4 towards the shooter with his left side farther from the gun. He got an oblique chest shot that spun him around about 100 degrees. He slouched forward slightly in pain and the second shot scooted a furrow in his shoulder and crashed into the back of his skull sending everything everywhere in a chunky cloud of flesh and pellets.
The shooter went and put the gun down and Maggie came out of the hangar/workshop and rounded the corner to see what the heck happened. Alex grabbed the rifle and confronted her blasting away.
He grabbed the guns and Maggie’s phone and put them in his suv. He went back to the house and showered. He bagged his bloody clothes and drove to Almeda to see his father. Just outside the main entrance to the property he pitched Maggie’s phone. His bloody clothes that were seen in the tik tok video were put in a dumpster or the woods and swamps in the 5 miles to his parents house. No one has found the clothes he wore earlier that day.
Allegedly.
Thats diferent. Jfk head goes back and blood goes front. He is not lying in thefloor. The fllor stops his natural motion.
So why is Alec lawyer proving that he washed off outside with the hose!!!🤷🏽♀️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This Guy is just a paid rebuttal dude to say whatever they want him to say. Gotta me a Moron not to know that.
One person with two guns🤔
Doubt it
@@wynkenblynkennod3712 do tell why?
@@wynkenblynkennod3712 sorry but I think it's possible. Please explain why not.
Yeah looks like Alex is Rambo 🤣🤣🤣
Because these guns are very long and heavy, if the two murders happened fairly quickly, then one shooter wouldn't be able drop one gun and orient themselves to shoot Maggie. The blow back of the shotgun literally blowing Paul's brain out of his skull would be intense. Blood, brain and skull matter would blowback on the shooter if the barrel was as close to Paul as they determined through the blood pattern stipple.
Could it possibly be AM paid two people from his past (nasty boy clients) a lot of the money to kill his family? Several million could set up someone very well! This may have been planned for a long time. He actually made that comment. The time frame is just so tight, and that may have been the reason he checked Paul's phone to see how much was videod, MM's phone as well. Either way I do not doubt that he did it!
Agree
He knew Maggie's password, so everything was deleted. Then tossed out the window. Speeding up after tossing it.
Too bad (sarcasm) he didn't think that deleted calls or texts can be retrieved.
He picked up "paw paws" phone to delete information too, but couldn't figure out the password.
Care to elaborate about Nasty Boys @idclare3453? I am wondering if we're thinking the same thing...
He would have been too greedy to pay anyone. He would have done it himself. He was about to lose his bar license for all his crime. Which means those big checks was about too stop. Most of the estate was in Maggie’s name. She would of probably also would have left him once finding this out. She already was living in anymore house away from him. Then on top of this crumbling down on him. His son fucked up and caused the boating accident/lawsuit that was gonna cost him millions on top of everything. Killing Maggie would have saved him from the embarrassment of her knowing the crimes he did/public embarrassment of a divorce and taking whatever he had left over from the estate. Mostly everything was in her name.Killing Paul would also kill the boat case lawsuit saving him millions from the beach family. In the end he needed all that stuff to continue his lifestyle/name/drug habit. While also everyone feeling sorry for him being a victim.
@@JustSpeakingFacts_ I’m not too sure Maggie didn’t know what he was doing , at least on some level.
Terrible cross examination.
In all fairness there really wasn't much of a rebuttal. I think her team threw her under the bus.
This guys theories are about as goofy as he looks…
Has anybody looked for trail cams these people are hunters that property Hass to be loaded with trail cams
Hi Brenda apparently in the first interview with Alex that asked that but Alex said not near the house 🙄
this guy may be a forensic superstar, but he's not easy to follow and I'm sure the jury is having trouble understanding his logic. Dr. Kinsey made the ballistics and blood spatter evidence so understandable, and explained how everything moved and the damage that was caused. This guy has great credentials, but in this case I don't think he's able to explain his theories in a way that makes sense to the jury. Forensics people might understand what he's speaking about, but some of the things he's saying are confusing to the regular viewer, and he seems to just think that they should just accept that that was the way it happened, because that's his opinion. The case of duelling experts, but Dr. Kinsey is from the south, and I think the jury will agree with him more easily, AND he's adorable!
The man made $8,000 for his time! Plus travel expenses & room & board!
So …
He certainly is going to say whatever the Defense Attorneys “paid” him to say!
Just sayin’ 😏
What a waste of $$$ on this guy!
Sounds like conjecture to me
That's because you are not in the field or are not a professional in the field of forensics
Nah
This ghoul gives good theater
all this bullshite bout what the firearm's are and can do is useless , its not putting anyone in jail
I thought it was helpful
Get her out of there,
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If I could see the shotgun shells I could tell u if it was automatic or pump or double barrel
They cut the check to this guy! His theories doesn’t make sense though.
That's because you are not a forensic specialist or have the training to understand these facts.
@@MsTHORNANATOR and I’m guessing you are?
15 grand for absolutely nothing at all to help prove reasonable doubt. fukin laughable how bad the defense did here and the entire case. not too mention they let the much smaller waters badger the much larger murdaugh the entire time raising basically zero objections to it.
So far this expert’s testimony doesn’t help me to believe that Alex M. Is innocent. What I am convinced of is the shooter of Paul was out of his mind, and HAD to use the hose to clean himself up. Also Paul never saw this coming, if someone that was angry with him wouldn’t they want him to see WHOM was sending him to meet his maker? If anything, this testimony only helps me to believe he knew his killer well, very well, and he would never survive to talk. I believe he was killed by his father. I also believe that Alex kept a hit man on his payroll, that’s where all that money went, and why he had to keep stealing.
That’s a very good point .Where is all that money?Good thinking.
Hi, can you tell me what are they trying to prove here please with the gun situation and where and how the bullets went into the body? thank you
I’ve seen more competent public defenders
Great witness. Guy seems to actually know what he's talking about.
HAHAHA, DUDE, GET REAL! TIMOTHY PANBACH HAS NO CERTIFICATIONS AND NO DOCTORATE DEGREE. HE IS JUST A FOOL.
@@Ultorvindex Just A fool? Thats an idiotic statement. So immediately your credibility is in question. He has a lot of REAL world experience. What is your bias? Because you want to believe in Murdaughs guilt, you toss out any measure of common sense? It's obvious Alex is a scumbag that should spend the rest of his life in prison, but I don't let that get in the way. There is reasonable doubt, and that's all he needs in the eyes of the law. It's amazing how much you people don't know about the legal system.
He’s paid to confuse the jury!
It's called reasonable doubt.
@@MsTHORNANATOR Of what????
Alex could have got a gun to shoot injured bird ,paul and his mom would have not been alarmed when seeing alex with gun! Mom wouldnt have been alarm hearing the first 2 shots!
Alex needed to pretend to remove tears as he pretending to cry! Horrible 🎬 actor!!!!
Ok gotta say it ...Does anyone else think it was possible that Paul killed mom, then killed himself .We know mom and Paul were not real close .She favored buster. He knows he has caused all these issues for the family and himself ,and more than likely feeling guilty about it all. Could pops be trying to cover it up for son,? When looking at the way Paul was shot and the blood spatter up above and angle to the dangle has me going hmmmm
no
Yes i think pauls pointed to suicide..in the body cam footage it's mentioned several times.
Nope 👎
So after shooting himself two times and his brain on the ceiling, he is running around and hiding two guns - LOL
That’s quite a feat shooting yourself twice with a shotgun. It takes a man’s man to do that and the only person in history I know that did that was Earnest Hemingway.
For a man like this you can pay them enough and they will say anything . WHAT A SHAME
What the heck are you on about!? Be truthful and just admit this man did a fantastic job. He’s so good he’s cast doubt on the States case. You cannot make stuff like that up. He was working of the States report. Pple like you make me sick because there’s no honesty, you just want your biase to win. Can’t take you seriously!!
Pretty weak expert. It just doesn’t make sense. Solid job girlfriend 👌
great expert , talking about facts
This whole thing is so damned stupid. None of them know shoot.
Not guilty prosecutors have not proved a reasonable doubt
Alex has shown no emotion during this witness talking
Not much
Alex is laughing on the inside when watching this dipsh!t testify 🤣
(Edited to say I found it and posted link)
I found out from a guest on JRE that blood spatter can be HIGHLY unreliable and that it's a junk science yet admissible in court. There's been people wrongly convicted because of it. There's so much more that he said but it's been a long time since I watched it. I'll try to find the episode I'm referring to. The guests that were there have a podcast and are involved with helping free people who have been wrongly convicted. I found it.
ruclips.net/video/FQaWao_tQIY/видео.html