Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years 1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)* 1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)* 2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1 3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1 4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)* 1947 5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1 6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)* *1947-03-17 PROFESSIONAL Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, and March in 1948.* 1948 *(Rocky goes back to the amateurs)* 7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1 8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3 9. February George McInnis TKO-1 10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)* 11. March Fred Fischera KO 12. March George McGinnis W-3 *1948-07-12 (Rocky goes back to pro) Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano.. Don Cuoco and Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson because once Pro you cannot go back to the amateurs.* Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49* Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Matthews fought *(103)* times...little Rocky quit at *49* LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Layne fought *(70)* times............little Rocky quit at *49* Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times Layne Lost *(17)* times and was KO'd *(6)* times *Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Miller Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little opponents to have a combined ((753)) losses!!!* *HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:* Lewis --------- *2* Holmes ------ *6* Ali -------------- *5* Vitali ----------- *2* Foreman ---- *5* Tyson -------- *6* Wladimir ---- *5* Bowe --------- *1* Liston -------- *4* Louis --------- *3* Holyfield -- *10* Frazier ------- *4* Norton ------- *7* Tunney ------ *1* Dempsey --- *6* Johnson --- *11* *"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
178 to 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano's opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Pro boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, F* which has been used for decades: Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano There it is. Y'all are intelligent enough to make your own judgement about Rocky's *F-LEVEL* resume. Who did he fight? Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. To continue claiming he was the Greatest or even top 10 Greatest Heavyweight is absurd. It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight *"Name one, just one 'Prime' all time great boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore Louis was 'Prime' when they fought him?"*
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long. Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs. By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem. If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco *Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight* *(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
179lb light heavyweight Rocky's conditioning is another manufactured fallacy and 236lb Ibeabuchi vs. 226lb Tua proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers in only 12 rds. *When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's.* This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step. After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow. And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million. No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been. Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it." 21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again. Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell." 245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches. *179lb light heavyweight Rocky with 67" flyweight reach gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!* The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is laughable. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke.
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:* *“Cassius Clay is the best Heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”* *“Clay gets better each time you see him. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight. He hits like a heavyweight. He puts his punches together better than any heavyweight champion I’ve ever seen."* Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated: *“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers.”* Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said: *“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. Clay would just have to stay away from us for a few rounds and then start throwing his combinations."* *“Cassius’ edge in height and reach, his fast hands and legs and the power he puts into his punches, whether from in close or at long range, would be too much for any of the champs I’ve mentioned."* *“All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance."* *“When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch."* *"I didn’t fight Dempsey. But I did fight Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. Some of us might hit as hard but Clay would out punch us in every exchange. Now, when Dempsey was fighting, he stood right over a man he had floored and hit him as he was getting up."* (( Source - RING, Sept. 1965 Walcott insist Ali would beat Dempsey, Louis, Rocky, etc. by Ed Brennan )) In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about....should i believe you,, a biased casual,, or Jersey Joe ?
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long. Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs. By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem. If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco *Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight* *(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."* Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"* Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."* Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."* Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"* Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76* (As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
The fact is Ali hated Rocky. Ali knew Rocky was deceased so he Lied when he said Rocky was better than Frazier. It's sad the way Rocky fans have been duped into believing Ali respected Rocky. Ali disrespected every single opponent except for Rocky who intentionally put bruises on him? So Ali willingly accepted those bruises and simply smiled? I don't think so. *Ali challenged Rocky and Rocky declined!!!* The honest truth that's been hidden away for decades has finally been revealed and Rocky fans are not going to like it one single bit .
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez Have a word with yourself, even ultra marathon runners can only run a marathon 2 weeks apart as a one off let alone 8yrs b2b lol and and they dont exactly have the same build type as Rocky lol......he was phenomenal no doubt but lets keep this factual aight
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done @ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993. Rocky's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had or-geees night and day. A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 800 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 30 miles and did 6000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done @ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993. Rocky's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had or-geees night and day. A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Minimal boxing skills. Ali would annihilate him. Tyson would definitely crush him. He was a street fighter not a boxer. I had no idea how horrendous boxing skills were back in the day.
Rocky was also good for crime. It was noticed that whenever he was fighting there was significant reduction in crime on those nights. Basically the mob were all having parties and watching the marciano fight. It was understood between rival mobs that you just don't disrespect marciano by committing any crimes on his night. Plus everyone was just enjoying the occasions. This is documented by the FBI
Riddick Bowe 6' 5" 240 lbs KOs 73% with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, and would have been a difficult test for any fighter who ever lived. Trainer Eddie Futch said, "Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known." Bowe was the undisputed Heavyweight Champ in 92 and won the Super Heavyweight silver medal @ the 88 Summer Olympics. Riddick is an ATG Hall of Famer. *Prime 'Big Daddy' Bowe manhandles the little 5' 9" 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky as if he were his Daddy!!!*
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done @ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993. Rocky's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had or-geees night and day. A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
“Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches. I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out."
Much bigger, much stronger sluggers like Liston Foreman Ibeabuchi would knock little Rocky into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any shots of his own.
@@blackDavidFrostinDesMoines Probably yes. But Marciano was definately a freak of nature. His ability to take a punch, and how hard he hit at 185 lbs is amazing. For his time he was a great boxer. (The best) As far as Foreman, he couldnt do much vs. Ali. Marciano had huge heart, and endurance as well. Can never count him out.
One thing about Ernie shavers, God that man hit hard! He could have punched a hole through an elephant. You should have had better handlers and trainers! With better technique and stamina he would have been champ for a long time. And a genuinely nice guy!
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Hall of Fame and All Time Greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. Angelo Dundee said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long. Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs. By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem. If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco *Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight* *(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."* Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"* Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."* Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."* Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"* Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76* (As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:* *“Cassius Clay is the best Heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”* *“Clay gets better each time you see him. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight. He hits like a heavyweight. He puts his punches together better than any heavyweight champion I’ve ever seen."* Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated: *“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers.”* Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said: *“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. Clay would just have to stay away from us for a few rounds and then start throwing his combinations."* *“Cassius’ edge in height and reach, his fast hands and legs and the power he puts into his punches, whether from in close or at long range, would be too much for any of the champs I’ve mentioned."* *“All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance."* *“When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch."* *"I didn’t fight Dempsey. But I did fight Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. Some of us might hit as hard but Clay would out punch us in every exchange. Now, when Dempsey was fighting, he stood right over a man he had floored and hit him as he was getting up."* (( Source - RING, Sept. 1965 Walcott insist Ali would beat Dempsey, Louis, Rocky, etc. by Ed Brennan )) In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about....should i believe you,, a biased casual,, or Jersey Joe ?
Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling *F-LEVEL* resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many *F-LEVEL* tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research: Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
Most people openly admit that the versions of Charles, Moore and Walcott that he fought were far from prime (The Louis & Savold fights really doesn't even deserve to be brought up). So it isn't the quality of Rocky's competition that his reputation is based on among the greats, it is that famous record 49-0. If Rocky's 49-0 record is the basis of his greatness then the fighters on that record should be the very best that were available. But by my reckoning that is the furthest thing from the truth. Infact when you look at the highest ranked fighters of the era, and then you look at his record, it's scandalous how many he didn't fight. Many of the ones he DID choose to fight are just as scandalous. Top fighters Marciano definitely should have fought that he didn't. *1)* Harold Johnson *2)* Oakland Billy Smith *3)* Yolande Pompey *4)* Curtis Hatchetman Sheppherd *5)* Clarence Henry *6)* Joey Maxim *7)* Marty Marshall *8)* Bob Satterfield *9)* Jimmy Bivins *10)* Lloyd Marshall *11)* Nino Valdes *12)* Willie Pastrano *13)* Cleveland Williams had 35 wins 2 losses when Rocky retired in April 1956. Rocky had plenty of opportunities to fight Cleveland in 1952 or 1953. Those are just the definites, we could add many other names (like Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni or even Bob Baker) that while not as good, are definitely better than some of the guys he DID fight that make up that "legendary" record. Guys like these; Lee Epperson (Career Record 0-1) Jimmy Weeks (Career Record 0-1) Gilbert Cardone (Career Record 0-3) John Edwards (Career Record 1-2) Bill Hardeman (Career Record 1-7) Humphrey Jackson (Career Record 4-3) Johnnie Pretzie (Career Record 10-14) Bob Jefferson (Career Record 3-10) Gilley Ferron (Career Record 4-13) Tommy DiGiorgio (Career Record 9-15) Artie Donato (Career Record 7-13) Harry Haft (Career Record 12-7) James Connoly (Career Record 12-9) Harry Bilazarian (Career Record 15-12) Joe Dominic (Career Record 18-12) Don Mogard (Career Record 20-16) Jimmy Walls (Career Record 21-41) Eldridge Eatman (Career Record 22-21) according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, *"Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT."* Not only did Eldridge take a-dive vs Rocky but he had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Why would a 26-0 boxer fight an *F-LEVEL* diver who had just lost 8 fights? Eddie Ross (Career Record is laughable). Immediately, same day, after 170lb *F-LEVEL* diver Eddie Ross was supposedly KO'd by Marciano he drove from Rhode Island Providence to Quebec City Quebec -- 8 hr 15 min 465.9 mi via I-93 N inorder to fight 160lb Billy Sparks. ( *"Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day."* - BoxRec and Providence Journal ). Marciano's 32nd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Keene Simmons who had a career 9 wins 22 losses. Marciano's 33rd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell who had a career 7 wins 16 losses. *(Harold had just lost 10 fights in a row before diving against Rocky)* Marciano's 34th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Art Henri who had a career 18 wins 29 losses. Marciano's 35th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate who had a career 12 wins 16 losses. None of these guys beat anyone of note! Many of these guys he even fought pretty far into his career when there were obviously alternatives. In light of this should this 49-0 record be as revered as it is to some? *(In my opinion it's clear as day that Italian Mafia Boss Frankie Carbo and underboss Al Weill cherry picked and padded Rocky's entire resume. Maybe maybe not? But one's things for sure, it was undoubtedly the smallest and weakest Heavyweight division in boxing History)*
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Chuck Wepner who fought both Sonny Liston and George Foreman said, *“Sonny made George look like Mr. Friendly!”* Chuck also said, *"Getting hit by Sonny was like getting hit by a baseball bat."* Chuck wasn’t exaggerating, as he walked out of that fight with a broken nose, a broken cheek bone and 72 stitches!
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
Minimal boxing skills. Ali would annihilate him. Tyson would definitely crush him. He was a street fighter not a boxer. I had no idea how horrendous boxing skills were back in the day.
Fury would keep little Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn, and flummox him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and grind out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. Rocky ain't gettin the opportunities to impose his work-rate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins!!! Anyway he chooses!!! *Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm grateful to see him in my lifetime. A focused Fury is boxing evolved to it's highest state ever. 277 lbs of brutal jabs, snappy punches, slick head movement, good footwork, granite chin, relaxed stamina and great intelligence.* Transport "'The King"' back to little Rocky's era and he woulda went 149 wins 0 losses with 100% KO's!!! Seriously though, if little Rocky fought Fury he would need the use of a stepladder or Fury could fight on his knees. *ALL HAIL THE GOAT KING FURY*
Riddick Bowe 6' 5" 240 lbs KOs 73% with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, and would have been a difficult test for any fighter who ever lived. Trainer Eddie Futch said, "Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known." Bowe was the undisputed Heavyweight Champ in 92 and won the Super Heavyweight silver medal @ the 88 Summer Olympics. Riddick is an ATG Hall of Famer. *Prime 'Big Daddy' Bowe manhandles the little 5' 9" 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky as if he were his Daddy!!!*
*According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City *"Marciano admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who *!!!!*
Emanuel Steward was an American boxer, trainer and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career. What did Emanuel have to say about Marciano? He said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
Short, light, T-Rex arms, slow, awkward, and extremely athletic… Rocky in my opinion is the greatest not because he walked away 49-0, but because he wasn’t supposed to be a champion, he had ( physically ) everything against him, he simply out worked his challengers, had god given power, iron chin, and a work ethic like that couldn’t be matched! Dip dip, shuffle shuffle…. BAM!!!
Fantastic film. Rocky was brilliant. So, so tough and durable! His training and stamina were second to none. What a joy it was watching this video. Rocky is a legend!!
By way of comparison no°1 p4p Naoya Inoue has 67½″ reach, longer than light heavyweight Rocky's 67" reach. Inoue is 5' 5", Rocky 5' 9". Rocky fans continuously try to debate me. What's there to debate? How to magically make Rocky bigger? History cannot be changed, Charles Moore Matthews Marciano were light heavyweights, the overwhelming majority of that division was middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting and/or masquerading as Heavyweights. It does not matter if Rocky's walking around weight was 210, bcz his average weight throughout his entire boxing career was only 178 to 186. He was light heavyweight period. I'd bet the farm on bantamweight Inoue to KO little Rocky in the 14th or 15th round.
This is important. I'm sure most Rocky fans remember that fictitious story about our military designing a gizmo inorder to test little Rocky's punching power? Well Rocky's brother, Peter, said, *"His punches were measured by a professor at Harvard and there's a writing on it, and this professor gauged the strength of his punching blow to like X amount of pounds, it's almost like a small automobile hitting you."* --@ 42:01 Rocky Marciano: A Life Story | Full Movie | Marino Amoruso Where is Harvard university? Only 27 miles away from Brockton, Rocky's hometown. Where was the teachers hometown? Brockton? Was he Italian? What does gauge mean? Cambridge dictionary says, "to make a judgement." So there it is. A deceptive distorted erroneous misleading and untruthful story about our military building a machine to test little Rocky's power. And all along it was a hometown teacher writing a story about his hometown hero. *You have to respect every competitor for stepped into the ring but after studying all of his opponents my gut instinct also says Rocky is one of the biggest frauds in boxing history.*
Rockys death was a terrible thing for boxing. His commentary on fights was second to none and he was getting into training fighters. He would have been 60 in the 80s when Mike Tyson was coming through. I believe Mike would have listened to Rocky the same way he listened to Cus. Rocky could have got him to achieve his potential and keep himself on top. Rocky was great friends with Cus. I have no doubt they would have got him on board with this new talented front foot heavyweight. Marciano could have thought Mike every trick in the book when it comes to inside fighting.
You have no life going on every comment just to talk down to Marciano. Every point you try to make has no value, you're comparing apples to oranges on every comment @@Alien_Observer_LV-426
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, and his trainers Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* Charles lost the title to Walcott by a seventh-round ko in 1951. He attempted to regain the Heavyweight championship three times, losing once to Walcott in 1952 and twice to Marciano in 1954. From 1955 until his retirement in 1959, Charles fought twenty-three times and only won ten of those bouts. *And to all those questioning whether Charles could continue to live 24 more years after showing symptoms in 1951, the famous physicist Stephen Hawking lived for more than 50 years after he was diagnosed!!!*
Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
John McGlothlin @ Quora has 3.5K answers and 59M answers views. He's one of the most knowledgeable Rocky fans out there yet he continuously discusses the case of Ezzard Charles, who, from 1951 on, was suffering from the symptoms of ALS, also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” And John includes all sources to his information.
37 year old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb tiny cruiser. *Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights.* Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime. 40 year old cruiserweight Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. *Walcott being granted (6) title attempts in a (5½) year span (1947-12-05 to 1953-05-15) proves how shallow the division was at that time. And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!!!* This is important. *Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months, from 1940-02-12 to 1944-06-07.* Walcott wasn't even remotely prime when he fought Rocky. *Marciano himself said Walcott was only 90% @ 'The Marciano Tapes' #3.* Walcott's most notable victories include wins over light heavyweight Charles and light heavyweight Maxim. Charles lost 25 times and Maxim lost 29 times. *Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.* "From the beginning and all through the buildup of the first Walcott vs. Louis fight in 1947 the press criticized Walcott. In no time at all, his age became a huge subject of debate. Every sports reporter claimed that Jersey Joe was at least 38 years old. Others said he was older. Sportswriters dubbed him "Pappy," "elderly," "ancient," and "aging" were commonly used to describe Walcott. Since he was born at home and not in a hospital, he could not prove his age with a birth certificate that was filed when he was born. Walcott had to have a birth certificate for the different state boxing commission's inorder to continue boxing. Needless to say Walcott haphazardly created and filed a birth certificate in 1936 when he was in his mid 20s at the Camden Bureau of Vital Statistics." *It's all there in Walcott's biography Chapter 9 page 71. If Walcott was 38 when he fought Louis in 1947 wouldn't that put him at 43 when he faced Rocky in 1952?* Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. *Charles was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease against Walcott in 1951.* It's in Ezzard's biography 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff. *Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.* 42 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Archie said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was."* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Wouldn't that put Archie in his mid 40's? This is Rocky's last fight and he's only 31. Moore continued to fight till he was 50. Who did Rocky fight when he was 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 and 50? How many times would Rocky have lost if he had 220 fights like Moore did? *Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.* *Moral of the story is Walcott was at least 40, Moore was at least 42, Charles factually had ALS, and Louis was washed. Rocky never faced a great fighter in his prime. Rocky is all manufactured hype. Who did he fight? 40 opponents were F-LEVEL bums and the rest were too old, sick or washed.*
Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer *(Light heavyweight champion {10 years} Archie Moore was easily in his 40's vs. Marciano and that is no longer debatable!!!)*
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, and his trainers Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* Charles lost the title to Walcott by a seventh-round ko in 1951. He attempted to regain the Heavyweight championship three times, losing once to Walcott in 1952 and twice to Marciano in 1954. From 1955 until his retirement in 1959, Charles fought twenty-three times and only won ten of those bouts. *And to all those questioning whether Charles could continue to live 24 more years after showing symptoms in 1951, the famous physicist Stephen Hawking lived for more than 50 years after he was diagnosed!!!*
Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
John McGlothlin @ Quora has 3.5K answers and 59M answers views. He's one of the most knowledgeable Rocky fans out there yet he continuously discusses the case of Ezzard Charles, who, from 1951 on, was suffering from the symptoms of ALS, also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” And John includes all sources to his information.
Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer *(Light heavyweight champion {10 years} Archie Moore was easily in his 40's vs. Marciano and that is no longer debatable!!!)*
37 year old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb tiny cruiser. *Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights.* Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime. 40 year old cruiserweight Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with (68) fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. *Walcott being granted (6) title attempts in a (5½) year span (1947-12-05 to 1953-05-15) proves how shallow the division was at that time. And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!!!* This is important. *Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months, from 1940-02-12 to 1944-06-07.* Walcott wasn't even remotely prime when he fought Rocky. *Marciano himself said Walcott was only 90% @ 'The Marciano Tapes' #3.* Walcott's most notable victories include wins over light heavyweights Charles and Maxim. Charles lost 25 times and Maxim lost 29 times. *Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.* "From the beginning and all through the buildup of the first Walcott vs. Louis fight in 1947 the press criticized Walcott. In no time at all, his age became a huge subject of debate. Every sports reporter claimed that Jersey Joe was at least 38 years old. Others said he was older. Sportswriters dubbed him "Pappy," "elderly," "ancient," and "aging" were commonly used to describe Walcott. Since he was born at home and not in a hospital, he could not prove his age with a birth certificate that was filed when he was born. Walcott had to have a birth certificate for the different state boxing commission's inorder to continue boxing. Needless to say Walcott haphazardly created and filed a birth certificate in 1936 when he was in his mid 20s at the Camden Bureau of Vital Statistics." *It's all there in Walcott's biography Chapter 9 page 71. If Walcott was 38 when he fought Louis in 1947 wouldn't that put him at 43 when he faced Rocky in 1952?* Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles with the lowest ever 42% KO's had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with (95) fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky in 1954. *Charles was already showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease against Walcott in 1951. It's in Ezzard's biography 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff.* *Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.* 42 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with (178) fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Archie said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was."* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears Wouldn't that put Archie in his mid 40's? This is Rocky's last fight and he's only 31. Moore continued to fight till he was 50. Who did Rocky fight when he was 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 and 50? How many times would Rocky have lost if he had 220 fights like Moore did? *Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.* *In summary Walcott was at least 40, Moore was at least 42, Charles factually had ALS and Louis was washed. Rocky never faced an all time great in his prime. Don't get me wrong, Rocky was a topnotch flat footed light heavyweight slugger, but to be equally compared to other topnotch genuine 224 to 290 lb Super Heavyweights over the last 50 years is laughable.*
Hes my favorite now, before I liked boxers but the swarmer thing is so awesome. GOAT conditioning and he's one smart man, he figured out how to lay his power down with high avoidance, making them pay. Genius. If Tua & Tyson met Rockys regime, my guess is they could have got close to Rocky, but that's another 1 or 2%, maybe even 5%.
An absolute legend. A complete Roman Gladiator. And easily the greatest of all time. The man could go 40 rounds. As the fight went on and everyone got more tired, he got more energy. Hardest puncher and insanely high accuracy rate. And the man could take anything you threw at him right on the chin as if it didn’t even happen. The man was a machine.
Perpetual motion, that was Rock. Never stopped moving forward, throwing absolute bombs every shot. The man was a machine with a granite chin. The Brockton Blockbuster, never be another.
Even if little white Marciano could have fought a prime Moore and a prime Charles he'd still be fightin light heavyweights who were both knocked out by middleweights Marshall and Booker. And even you wanna pretend they were in their primes the point is little white Marciano still struggled with light heavyweights. One would think since little white Marciano was only 185 that he would at least have faster hands than the true Heavyweights right? But Maricano had the slowest hands I've ever seen on a white boy. little white Marciano could train 1000 years but prime Ali would still crush him. Since Marciano struggled with light heavyweight Charles who was a good boxer, but was smaller weaker and slower than Ali, what makes you think he'd do better against Ali? Could you imagine 41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore busting up King Fury and Big George Foreman or any of the great Super Heavyweights? Yet little white Marciano had all he could handle and was floored with one glancing shot from the light heavyweight grandfather.
My father (RIP) was a Golden Glove in his day and occasionally sparred with Rocky before he became champ. He told me even then that Marciano was the most humble person he had ever known.
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2. Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves. They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint. Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. (( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
What Marciano did to his family is unforgivable. During his retirement speech, and during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." *IT WAS ALL A LIE.* He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless @ *Aug\23\1993 -- THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault*
Fer two decades the Marciano's have been tryin to remove this article *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993* but cannot bcz it's all factual!!! Many defamation lawsuits have been filed but all failed. *He was seriously messed up.* His friends tried to help but he refused. He caused his own demise through his insatiable desire for sex and money.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was dishonorably discharged from the Army and sentenced to three years in prison. He was released after 22 months and then allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge. *--by Rocky Marciano biographer (UNBEATEN) Mike Stanton*
He already knew the weather in Des Moines was bad before he left Chicago. But he needed to collect (loansharking) 35K from mafioso underboss Luigi Giuseppe Fratto's family @ Dowling Catholic high school in Des Moines just before he was supposed to celebrate his 46th birthday in Florida. Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact.
Rocky is my favorite boxer of all time. Bricks for hands, a granite chin, great personality, unmatched cardio, great head movement, and underated body work. I studied Rocky a lot when I was younger developing my own fighting style. His relentless style and power was a problem for anyone who was in front him. For his size, dude was a beast and should always be respected as one of the greats
Rocky not only had hands of stone, but a marble jaw too. All around under appreciated as a boxer, and a relentless heart of a true warrior. The man waged wars in the ring and was never beaten. If you love boxing, you gotta show love to Rocky Marciano! ❤
Most great boxers have a life filled with turmoil and highly questionable decisions outside the ring. Anyone who doesn't know that doesn't know boxing. The boxing world has always had a significant amount of syndicate run criminal activity, behind the scenes. All a boxer can do is best whoever the fighter is in front of him. Rocky Marciano did that in an undefeated fashion. You can carry on about all this you've commented on, but you can't deny his record. You sound like a hater who's crying that someone who fought in a blood sport wasn't civilized enough for you.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted. Marciano was sentenced to 7yrs hard labour, Murphy 10yrs, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton*
"His dereliction's have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England (Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2) Marchegiano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marchegiano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story. Marchegiano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marchegiano however ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marchegiano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. (( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocco's ability to go from dishonorable to honorable discharge. I've served in the Air Force and in all my years I've never seen that happen before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocco was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it!* ))
Marciano would break a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket. He was half a bubble off plumb with severe obsessive-compulsive personality disorder. It's in his biography. Rocky fans refuse to tell the truth though. It's much easier to sweep it under the carpet.
What Marciano did to his family is unforgivable. During his retirement speech, and during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." *That's not True. It was all a lie.* He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless, *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993* (you can read it right now)
"Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman." Rocky ran 30 miles daily for 2920 (8yrs) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. That's not all. In addition to his daily 30 mile runs he'd also include sprinted uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my hero.
He never ran 30 miles a day, you are utterly wrong. You cannot train for a fight running that kind of distance. You would never recover nor have the time or energy to actually spar or work the bag.
Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49* Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Matthews fought *(103)* times.. .little Rocky quit at *49* LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times *Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Anderson Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little light heavy opposition masquerading as little cruisers to have a combined ((684)) losses!!!* *HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:* Lewis --------- *2* Holmes ------ *6* Ali -------------- *5* Vitali ----------- *2* Foreman ---- *5* Tyson -------- *6* Wladimir ---- *5* Bowe --------- *1* Liston -------- *4* Louis --------- *3* Holyfield -- *10* Frazier ------- *4* Norton ------- *7* Tunney ------ *1* Dempsey --- *6* Johnson --- *11* *"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
Most people openly admit that the versions of Charles, Moore and Walcott that he fought were far from prime (The Joe Louis and Lee Savold fights really doesn't even deserve to be brought up). So it isn't the quality of Rocky's competition that his reputation is based on among the greats, it is that famous record 49-0. If Rocky's 49-0 record is the basis of his greatness then the fighters on that record should be the very best that were available. But by my reckoning that is the furthest thing from the truth. Infact when you look at the highest ranked fighters of the era, and then you look at his record, it's scandalous how many he didn't fight. Many of the ones he DID choose to fight are just as scandalous. Top fighters Marciano definitely should have fought that he didn't. *1)* Harold Johnson *2)* Oakland Billy Smith *3)* Yolande Pompey *4)* Curtis Hatchetman Sheppherd *5)* Clarence Henry *6)* Joey Maxim *7)* Marty Marshall *8)* Bob Satterfield *9)* Jimmy Bivins *10)* Lloyd Marshall *11)* Nino Valdes Those are just the definites, we could add many other names (like Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni or even Bob Baker) that while not as good, are definitely better than some of the guys he DID fight that make up that "legendary" record. Guys like these; Lee Epperson (Career Record 0-1) Jimmy Weeks (Career Record 0-1) Gilbert Cardone (Career Record 0-3) John Edwards (Career Record 1-2) Bill Hardeman (Career Record 1-7) Humphrey Jackson (Career Record 4-3) Johnnie Pretzie (Career Record 10-14) Bob Jefferson (Career Record 3-10) Gilley Ferron (Career Record 4-13) Tommy DiGiorgio (Career Record 9-15) Artie Donato (Career Record 7-13) Harry Haft (Career Record 12-7) James Connoly (Career Record 12-9) Harry Bilazarian (Career Record 15-12) Joe Dominic (Career Record 18-12) Don Mogard (Career Record 20-16) Jimmy Walls (Career Record 21-41) Eldridge Eatman (Career Record 22-21) according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, *"Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT"* Not only did Eldridge take a-dive vs. Rocky but he had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Why would a 26-0 boxer fight an F-LEVEL diver who had just lost 8 fights? It's clear as day Mafia Boss Carbo and underboss Al Weill cherry picked and padded Rocky's resume! Marciano's 32nd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Keene Simmons who had a career 9 wins 22 losses. Marciano's 33rd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell who had a career 7 wins 16 losses. *(Harold had just lost 10 fights in a row before diving against Rocky)* Marciano's 34th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Art Henri who had a career 18 wins 29 losses. Marciano's 35th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate who had a career 12 wins 16 losses. Immediately *((same day))* after 170-lb diver Eddie Ross was supposedly KO'd by Marciano he drove from Rhode Island Providence to Quebec City Quebec -- 8 hr 15 min 465.9 mi via I-93 N inorder to fight 160-lb Billy Sparks.. ( *"Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day."* --BoxRec and Providence Journal ) Inspect Eddie's resume, it's hilarious! None of these guys beat anyone of note! Many of these guys he even fought pretty far into his career when there were obviously alternatives. In light of this should this 49-0 record be as revered as it is to some?
He was a high-school dropout who worked a series of dead-end jobs - delivering coal, laboring in factories making candy, beverages, and shoes, slinging hash in a diner, digging ditches, clearing land, and fixing sidewalks. But Marciano had two world-class skills. He could absorb a frightful beating, and he could knock men out cold. “I was a nobody,” he was fond of saying. “In the ring, I became a somebody."
Minimal boxing skills. Ali would annihilate him. Tyson would definitely crush him. He was a street fighter not a boxer. I had no idea how horrendous boxing skills were back in the day.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history. This is important. Archie Moore himself said, *"Michael Spinks Would Have An Edge Over Ezzard Charles."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview LH Charles lost *("25")* times and was KO'd *("7")* times! LH Moore lost *("23")* times and was KO'd *("7")* times! *LH 'Gold Medalist' 'Undisputed' 'Undefeated' 'Hall of Fame' 'All Time Great' 'Greatest of All Time' Michael Spinks Never Lost!!!*
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.” Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more.. Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing." Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa" And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him." Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny." Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis." Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!" Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen." "However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford. “Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches." “I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out." In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers. “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
@black David Frost This guy's got a hell of a lot more on the ball than you do. At least he's not some kind of schizoid trying to destroy a dead man's legacy. How many accounts do you have David? You're on this page as all these chicks and this Chinese guy. Sick sick sick.
P4p rocky is in the running. Think about it, he was basically a crusier weight. Fought around 185 pounds. He has a chance against anyone, but the likelihood of beating Tyson, holyfield, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, liston, is practically zero. To me, he is one of the most impressive fighters being that undersized and having such a punch. And underrated defense and smarts.
@@vroxery6576 well, Ali was what would be a prototypical heavyweight today. Very fast, tall with an 81 inch reach. And around 215 pounds. He fought smaller fighters Joe Frazier 205. That's why I say Rocky was impressive, to be 185 and do what he did. I don't think he would beat Ali. I think Ali is just too big and too fast. And had one of the greatest chins.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2. Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story. Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but mysteriously was allowed to re-join the army for a 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. "In all my years i have never heard of a dishonorable flipping back into an honorable. The fix was in. He was already protected."
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 900 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 40 miles and did 8000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special? Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special. Give me a break!!
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Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.
Great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS, who was like fodder fed to a pitbull, kinda like when they fed Larry Holmes to an angry Mike Tyson, or allowed Ali to be served up to Holmes. The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" little white Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach. Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Wladimir Klitschko was more active than any recent Heavyweight champion, and he fought in a record 29 Heavyweight championship matches. He defended his title against all comers in four countries on three continents. He made 5 successful title defenses in his first reign as champion and an astonishing 18 in his second reign, which covered 12 years. Wladimir is one of the greatest Super Heavyweights who ever lived. Unfortunately haters must hate and Wlad is known more for 3 losses - to Puritty in 98,, to Sanders in 03,, and to Brewster in 04 - than for any of his wins. BUT he re-established himself after the loss to Brewster and reeled off 22 consecutive victories before ending his career with back-to-back losses to Fury and Joshua, dealing him his first losses in 11 years at the age of 40. He retired with a 64-5 record, a 25-4 mark in Heavyweight title fights and 53 knockouts. He never ducked anyone, but was never fully appreciated. He was a brilliant athlete, a magnificently proportioned and conditioned giant of a man. He weighed 245 pounds, stood 6 feet 6 inches, with an 81-inch reach and a jab that may have been exceeded in Heavyweight history only by Holmes and Liston. He moved like a man much smaller, light on his feet and thanks to the tutelage of the late great Emanuel Steward, cut off the ring expertly. For all his greatness in the ring, though, what made Wlad special was his presence outside of it. He was a man of arts and letters, owner of a doctorate in sports science, a charitable man who tirelessly raised money for children and who fought for human rights around the world. In 2014, he famously stood shoulder-to-shoulder with his brother, leading anti-government protests in the Ukraine. He made the world a better place for many with his efforts, standing as a symbol of courage and defiance in the face of overwhelming political power. Today the Klitschko brothers proudly defend their country against Russia.
Rocky had ridiculous stamina. I've never seen a fighter go from start to finish still throwing bombs and pressuring fighters . Unbelievable determination
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns! *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 wow you're really anti Marciano lol you just wrote a novel I simply mentioned rockys incredible stamina and ability to go from start to finish still throwing hard punches and at no time did I mention who I thought he could defeat of all the top heavyweights. But thanks for the bio
After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.
90% of little white Rocky's opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. Although Marciano was mysteriously and suspiciously allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2. Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves. They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint. Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. (( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. Although Marciano was mysteriously and suspiciously allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2. Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves. They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint. Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. (( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
So, your intent is to denigrate Rocky Marciano with shallow, hearsay information. You should write a book. There are always many gullible people who will read gossipy nonsense. You might even have a best seller.@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez
What an amazing title highlighting Rocky Marciano! His boxing career is truly legendary, with an undefeated record and a reputation for incredible power and resilience. Marciano's fighting style and determination in the ring have inspired countless athletes and fans around the world. The focus on his best moments must be so exhilarating, showcasing the peak of athletic performance and the spirit of a true champion. Boxing history is so rich, and Marciano's contribution to it is absolutely remarkable! 🥊🌟
Zhang - 287 Joyce - 280 Fury - 277 Ngannou - 272 Briggs - 265 Ruiz - 265 Grant - 265 Makhmudov - 260 Lennox - 250 Parker - 250 Foreman - 250 Vitali - 250 Peter - 250 Joshua - 250 Whyte - 250 Ibeabuchi - 245 Kabayel - 245 Wladimir - 245 Anderson - 245 Hrgovic - 245 Sanchez - 245 Ruddock - 245 Bowe - 240 Ortiz - 240 Witherspoon - 235 Tua - 235 Dokes - 235 Bruno - 230 Morrison - 230 Cooney - 230 Wilder - 225 Thomas - 225 Usyk - 222 Lyle - 220 Holmes - 218 Ali - 218 Tyson - 218 Liston - 218 *Marciano - 184 with the shortest ever 67" flyweight reach* *Charles - 181 with the lowest ever 42% KO's* *Moore - 175 light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962* Rocky fans always knew his post war drained era had an expiration date and that time has arrived. He was never tested against genuine topnotch 200+lbs Heavyweights let alone authentic topnotch 224+lbs Super Heavyweights. But he went 49-0, yes he did, against who? Middleweights and light heavyweights masquerading as Heavyweights. Walcott was at least 40, Moore was at least 42, Charles factually had ALS and Louis was washed. *Rocky never fought an all-time great in his prime.* Heck, in my opinion today's light heavyweight phenom Artur Beterbiev would annihilate Marciano! Rocky was flat-footed wide open and never used the jab. *Rocky's era was undoubtedly without a doubt* *the absolute worst Heavyweight division in boxing history!*
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
That bent over loaded spring with that hook punching power is same type power Tyson had, the two of them going at it would have been either one of the fastest fights ever with a couple huge powers-shots or a brutal affair with endurance and heart!! I think the two most powerful punchers of all time Marciano and Tyson!!
So humble, and so respectful to his opponents, this guy was a true great in and out of the Ring,...he simply outfought and outlasted everyone who stepped into the ring with him ,...his great durability, power , toughness and iron will to win at all costs, made him such a formidable opponent, one that saw him retire as an unbeaten champ with a 49-0 record, (43 kos)....a true warrior of the Ring
Great, great job compiling this overview of an all time champion. So many early techniques of Marciano and other fighters were employed by the next generations. You can easily see Marciano’s approach in Mike Tyson’s. Hints of Ezzard Charles in Muhammad Ali. Two armed defense of Archie Moore in George Foreman (especially in his resurgence). Thanks for the work to create this video.
Louis said after the fight vs. Marciano, *“I saw the right hand coming, but I couldn't do anything about it."* For all the finger-tip warriors out there, that means the reflexes can no longer react fast enough. In boxing terminology it means not being able to get-off. The majority wanted Joe to win, that's why little Rocky was a 6½-to-5 underdog. People all over the USA knew what Rocco Marchegiano represented. The 20s\30s\40s\50s Italian Mafia horrified folk. Rocky was definitely involved. How else did he go from an dishonorable discharge in the military, to an honorable discharge? That's unheard of!!! The fix was in even back then!!! Rocky fans are like, "WHAT, that never happened." Rocky fans never wanna discuss it. Just sweep it under the carpet.
Why didn't little 184lb Rocky come out of retirement at 45 and win the Heavyweight title again like 250lb George Foreman did? Wait a second. Didn't little Rocky fight Ali when he was 45? Yep. Well how'd he look? *"Oh, he was fat and moved slowly like a little turtle wearing a ridiculous lookin wig-rug toupee"*
Tyson in his prime has never been seen before or since. A combination of incredible speed, skill, and flat out aggression. I recognized sheer mortal danger when i saw it. Dude was terrifying.
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 That would have been a very tough fight for both. You Marciano haters can't stand that nobody could beat Rocky. Marciano wasn't afraid of anyone, least of all Patterson.
This is important. I'm sure most Rocky fans remember that fictitious story about our military designing a gizmo inorder to test the light heavyweights punching power? Well Rocky's brother, Peter, said, *"His punches were measured by a professor at Harvard and there's a writing on it, and this professor gauged the strength of his punching blow to like X amount of pounds, it's almost like a small automobile hitting you."* --@ 42:01 Rocky Marciano: A Life Story | Full Movie | Marino Amoruso Harvard's only 27 miles away from Brockton, Rocky's hometown. What does gauge mean? Cambridge dictionary says, *"to make a judgement."* So there it is, a deceptive distorted erroneous misleading and untruthful story about our military building a machine to test little Rocky's power. And all along it was a hometown teacher writing a story about his hometown hero. *You have to respect every competitor for stepping into the ring but after thoroughly studying all his opponents my gut instinct also says light heavyweight Rocky Marciano is one of the biggest frauds in 'Heavyweight' boxing history.*
I wish I was alive to witness such a great unprecedented boxer. One of the positive aspects of today's technology allows us to look back in time to see what we missed😊.
"Consider that in Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired." -- By Monte D. Cox, (IBRO) International Boxing Research Organization, 2004
As a Irish kid going to St. Rocco`s in the 60s, I learned quickly about boxing, as we had a class full of Marciano`s to deal with and I wouldn`t have had it any other way...multa bella grazie, grazie, grazie Rocco...grazie grazie
Rocky Marciano: The toughest man ever to grace a boxing ring. He was small, short reach and maybe slowish but heart and determination and guts! He was simply the best
Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts. *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
"Consider that in Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired." *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 That’s always the Marciano ‘hate club’ safety net- the Charles n Louis n Walcott (Archie too) were not in there primes! Thats not Rocky’s fault he could only fight available opposition. Who else was there? Like the late Bert Sugar said “Rocky was a rose in a garbage dump” The lack of quality opponents in his era is why some don’t place him higher up the ratings.
Big George lost to Jimmy young and an aging Ali. Younger George hammered Frazier but did you see Frazier? He just stood in range and was target practice for George. Rocky would’ve moved forward and worn big George out. Rocky’s freakish stamina and power would be a nightmare for any heavyweight from any era
The decathlon is the ultimate test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason. A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early thirties that still had his reflexes fully intact. Joe Louis' prime years were in 1937, 1938, 1939 when he was 23, 24, 25 years of age. Ali's best years were during his twenties. Mike Tyson's best years was in his early twenties. Yet for some unknown reason Rocky fans believe Walcott's and Moore's best years were in their forties. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason.
This is the kind of video I like. 'The best of', there are too many 'worst of' videos posted. Rocky really earned his last fight, against Archie Moore.
Over the last 10 years, I’ve loved learning why my father really liked Marciano. He was for real! There are some great quotes about him. Walcott 1 was BRUTAL!! And I think he may not have liked LaStarza. Not sure See if u can find anyone who put him on defense or backed him up! It’s always a relentless shuffle forward! Moore said it was like fighting a propellor! And that work rate even at the end of his last fight bears that out! Phenomenal conditioning n chin!!
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. Although Marciano was mysteriously and suspiciously allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2. Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves. They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint. Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. (( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
According to Rocky Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. --by Mike Stanton and Fight City Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…” Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
Why do you keep making lots of posts about Sonny Liston? Are you in love with him? Do you have any emotional problems and are trying to get attention? Have you sought any treatment?
Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts. *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns! *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 Jesus you did your homework. All speculation though I think rocky would do just fine even now size can work against you too. Mike Tyson was small close to Rocky s size so who knows.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
When *"The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's.* This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step. After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow. And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million. No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been. Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it." 21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again. Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell." 245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches. *Little 184lb-cruiser Rocky Marciano gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ike Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!*
He was like the real life little Mac or Rocky (obviously lol) nowadays you barely ever see anybody get knocked out like that, he was something else man
Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by The Ring in 1994. Marciano was named the 7th greatest puncher of all-time by The Ring in 1997. Marciano was named the 9th greatest fighter of the 20th century by The Ring in 1999.
Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49* Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49* Matthews fought *(103)* times.. .little Rocky quit at *49* LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49* Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49* Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times *Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Anderson Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little light heavy opposition masquerading as little cruisers to have a combined ((684)) losses!!!* *HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:* Lewis --------- *2* Holmes ------ *6* Ali -------------- *5* Vitali ----------- *2* Foreman ---- *5* Tyson -------- *6* Wladimir ---- *5* Bowe --------- *1* Liston -------- *4* Louis --------- *3* Holyfield -- *10* Frazier ------- *4* Norton ------- *7* Tunney ------ *1* Dempsey --- *6* Johnson --- *11* *"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
Foreman, probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that "Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back-up and revert to boxing."
Zhang - 287 Joyce - 280 Fury - 277 Ngannou - 272 Briggs - 265 Ruiz - 265 Grant - 265 Makhmudov - 260 Lennox - 250 Parker - 250 Foreman - 250 Vitali - 250 Peter - 250 Joshua - 250 Whyte - 250 Ibeabuchi - 245 Kabayel - 245 Wladimir - 245 Anderson - 245 Hrgovic - 245 Sanchez - 245 Ruddock - 245 Bowe - 240 Ortiz - 240 Witherspoon - 235 Tua - 235 Dokes - 235 Bruno - 230 Morrison - 230 Cooney - 230 Wilder - 225 Thomas - 225 Usyk - 222 Lyle - 220 Holmes - 218 Ali - 218 Tyson - 218 Liston - 218 *Marciano - 184 with the shortest ever 67" flyweight reach* *Charles - 181 with the lowest ever 42% KO's* *Moore - 175 light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962* Rocky fans always knew his post war drained era had an expiration date and that time has arrived. He was never tested against genuine topnotch 200+lbs Heavyweights let alone authentic topnotch 224+lbs Super Heavyweights. But he went 49-0, yes he did, against who? Middleweights and light heavyweights masquerading as Heavyweights. Walcott was at least 40, Moore was at least 42, Charles factually had ALS and Louis was washed. *Rocky never fought an all-time great in his prime.* Heck, in my opinion today's light heavyweight phenom Artur Beterbiev would annihilate Marciano! Rocky was flat-footed wide open and never used the jab. *Rocky's era was undoubtedly without a doubt* *the absolute worst Heavyweight division in boxing history!*
I hope any individual that is getting picked on or bullied can watch this, no matter how big they are they have a chin, bust it like a balloon and you can win, look how much bigger the first 2 fighters were then Rock, and he smoked em, great example of determination, will, gut, and settling for nothing, certainly won't settle for defeat
"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco
Marciano had the shortest reach of any major heavyweight, and it meant that he would inevitably take a lot of punishment no matter who his opponent was. But he possessed tremendous power, had a titanium chin and was relentless through 15 rounds. Incredible.
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2. Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves. They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint. Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. (( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
Many have called him the greatest fighter of all time. He certainly was one of the very best fighters of all time; that we all should be able to agree on.
"I boxed heavyweights for four years till I realized Sonny Liston wasn't my cup of tea. When I saw him come on the scene, I said I'm going to get back down where I belong." -- Willie Pastrano
What a shame he spent entire military service locked up in prison for felony assault and robbery. That's not all. The day after he retired he immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousand.
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. --by Mike Stanton and Fight City Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”
"Liston compares favorably with any of the heavyweights of the past. Any of them. When somebody asks me, How does Liston compare with Joe Louis?' I have to stop and think. So you know how good a fighter Liston is." -- Cus D'Amato
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. --by Mike Stanton and Fight City Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”
Why didn't little 184lb Marciano clean out his division like Liston did? *Why didn't he fight Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard just to name a few?* For 9 years from 55 to 64 Liston decimated his division. Johansson and Cooper declined to fight him. Frazier's team refused to fight him. On the other hand little Rocky was *NEVER* ducked. Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight him hundreds of times. Everyone wanted to fight little Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.
Sonny had an albatross 84-inch reach. Little Rocky had a-stubby 67-inch reach. A 17-inch reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Sonny's power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano. Little Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own.
Foreman, probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that "Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back-up and revert to boxing." Much bigger, much stronger sluggers like Liston, Foreman and Ibeabuchi would knock little Rocky into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any shots of his own. Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s *exactly* what would happen to little Marciano if he met a prime Sonny Liston!
49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.
Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years
Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years
Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years
LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years
Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)*
1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)*
2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1
3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1
4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)*
1947
5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1
6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)*
*1947-03-17 PROFESSIONAL Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, and March in 1948.*
1948 *(Rocky goes back to the amateurs)*
7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1
8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3
9. February George McInnis TKO-1
10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)*
11. March Fred Fischera KO
12. March George McGinnis W-3
*1948-07-12 (Rocky goes back to pro) Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano.. Don Cuoco and Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson because once Pro you cannot go back to the amateurs.*
Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49*
Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Matthews fought *(103)* times...little Rocky quit at *49*
LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Layne fought *(70)* times............little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times
Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times
Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times
Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times
Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times
Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times
LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times
Layne Lost *(17)* times and was KO'd *(6)* times
*Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Miller Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little opponents to have a combined ((753)) losses!!!*
*HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:*
Lewis --------- *2*
Holmes ------ *6*
Ali -------------- *5*
Vitali ----------- *2*
Foreman ---- *5*
Tyson -------- *6*
Wladimir ---- *5*
Bowe --------- *1*
Liston -------- *4*
Louis --------- *3*
Holyfield -- *10*
Frazier ------- *4*
Norton ------- *7*
Tunney ------ *1*
Dempsey --- *6*
Johnson --- *11*
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
178 to 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano's opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Pro boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, F* which has been used for decades:
Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
There it is. Y'all are intelligent enough to make your own judgement about Rocky's *F-LEVEL* resume. Who did he fight? Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. To continue claiming he was the Greatest or even top 10 Greatest Heavyweight is absurd. It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
*"Name one, just one 'Prime' all time great boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore Louis was 'Prime' when they fought him?"*
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long.
Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs.
By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem.
If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco
*Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight*
*(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
179lb light heavyweight Rocky's conditioning is another manufactured fallacy and 236lb Ibeabuchi vs. 226lb Tua proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers in only 12 rds. *When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's.*
This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.
After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow.
And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million.
No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been.
Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it."
21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again.
Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell."
245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches.
*179lb light heavyweight Rocky with 67" flyweight reach gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!*
The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is laughable. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke.
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:*
*“Cassius Clay is the best Heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”*
*“Clay gets better each time you see him. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight. He hits like a heavyweight. He puts his punches together better than any heavyweight champion I’ve ever seen."*
Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated:
*“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers.”*
Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said:
*“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. Clay would just have to stay away from us for a few rounds and then start throwing his combinations."*
*“Cassius’ edge in height and reach, his fast hands and legs and the power he puts into his punches, whether from in close or at long range, would be too much for any of the champs I’ve mentioned."*
*“All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance."*
*“When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch."*
*"I didn’t fight Dempsey. But I did fight Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. Some of us might hit as hard but Clay would out punch us in every exchange. Now, when Dempsey was fighting, he stood right over a man he had floored and hit him as he was getting up."*
(( Source - RING, Sept. 1965 Walcott insist Ali would beat Dempsey, Louis, Rocky, etc. by Ed Brennan ))
In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about....should i believe you,, a biased casual,, or Jersey Joe ?
"What could be better than walking down any street and knowing you are the heavyweight champ of the world." - Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long.
Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs.
By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem.
If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco
*Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight*
*(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."*
Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"*
Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."*
Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."*
Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"*
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."*
*This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76*
(As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
The fact is Ali hated Rocky. Ali knew Rocky was deceased so he Lied when he said Rocky was better than Frazier. It's sad the way Rocky fans have been duped into believing Ali respected Rocky. Ali disrespected every single opponent except for Rocky who intentionally put bruises on him? So Ali willingly accepted those bruises and simply smiled? I don't think so. *Ali challenged Rocky and Rocky declined!!!* The honest truth that's been hidden away for decades has finally been revealed and Rocky fans are not going to like it one single bit .
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez Have a word with yourself, even ultra marathon runners can only run a marathon 2 weeks apart as a one off let alone 8yrs b2b lol and and they dont exactly have the same build type as Rocky lol......he was phenomenal no doubt but lets keep this factual aight
Rocky pounded you relentlessly.....endless cardio, endless fury, all champion.
Rocky was the best greatest
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
49-0, beat that haters
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
Rocky was relentless and fought with brutal fury.....a champions desire to win at all costs.....and the perfect gentleman outside of the ring.
Rocky was the greatest
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done @ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993. Rocky's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had or-geees night and day. A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the greatest
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
49-0, beat that haters
Don't be fooled by his size or awkward style, Marciano was a beast.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the greatest
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 800 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 30 miles and did 6000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done @ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993. Rocky's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had or-geees night and day. A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
Minimal boxing skills. Ali would annihilate him. Tyson would definitely crush him. He was a street fighter not a boxer. I had no idea how horrendous boxing skills were back in the day.
Rocky was also good for crime. It was noticed that whenever he was fighting there was significant reduction in crime on those nights. Basically the mob were all having parties and watching the marciano fight. It was understood between rival mobs that you just don't disrespect marciano by committing any crimes on his night. Plus everyone was just enjoying the occasions. This is documented by the FBI
Riddick Bowe 6' 5" 240 lbs KOs 73% with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, and would have been a difficult test for any fighter who ever lived. Trainer Eddie Futch said, "Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known." Bowe was the undisputed Heavyweight Champ in 92 and won the Super Heavyweight silver medal @ the 88 Summer Olympics. Riddick is an ATG Hall of Famer. *Prime 'Big Daddy' Bowe manhandles the little 5' 9" 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky as if he were his Daddy!!!*
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
Marciano had been married to the same woman, the former Barbara Cousins, the daughter of a Brockton cop, since Dec. 31, 1950, but the union unraveled long before the decade was done @ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993. Rocky's tastes ran more to svelte, statuesque blondes, that single glass of wine and smokeless rooms. "He couldn't stand his married life" says Saccone "There was nothing compatible between them." So the mesh included people, such as the late Lindy Ciardelli on the West Coast and Paterniti on the East Coast, whose job was to help feed Marciano's prodigious sexual appetite. "Rock liked girls, know what I mean?" Paterniti says. "Nobody wants me to tell you about it, but Rock was insane about girls; that's all he wanted to do, all the time. He constantly had or-geees night and day. A friend of mine in New York got me and Rocky thousands of girls. Honestly, literally a thousand girls. We had girls every single day and night. I carried a suitcase full of electric massagers and emotion lotion and all kinds of creams and oils." "That a woman be waiting for Rocky was as requisite for his appearance as the folded $100 bills." "If he ever went to some place and there was not a girl waiting for him, he'd never come back," says Santarelli, his underworld pal.
“Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches. I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out."
Much bigger, much stronger sluggers like Liston Foreman Ibeabuchi would knock little Rocky into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any shots of his own.
@@blackDavidFrostinDesMoines Probably yes. But Marciano was definately a freak of nature. His ability to take a punch, and how hard he hit at 185 lbs is amazing.
For his time he was a great boxer. (The best)
As far as Foreman, he couldnt do much vs. Ali. Marciano had huge heart, and endurance as well. Can never count him out.
He gassed out because he wasn't conditioned like Marciano who ran 10 miles a day!
One thing about Ernie shavers, God that man hit hard! He could have punched a hole through an elephant. You should have had better handlers and trainers! With better technique and stamina he would have been champ for a long time. And a genuinely nice guy!
"In the ring, i never really knew fear." - Rocky Marciano
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the greatest
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
Hall of Fame and All Time Greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. Angelo Dundee said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long.
Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs.
By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem.
If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco
*Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight*
*(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."*
Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"*
Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."*
Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."*
Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"*
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."*
*This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76*
(As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:*
*“Cassius Clay is the best Heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”*
*“Clay gets better each time you see him. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight. He hits like a heavyweight. He puts his punches together better than any heavyweight champion I’ve ever seen."*
Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated:
*“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers.”*
Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said:
*“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. Clay would just have to stay away from us for a few rounds and then start throwing his combinations."*
*“Cassius’ edge in height and reach, his fast hands and legs and the power he puts into his punches, whether from in close or at long range, would be too much for any of the champs I’ve mentioned."*
*“All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance."*
*“When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch."*
*"I didn’t fight Dempsey. But I did fight Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. Some of us might hit as hard but Clay would out punch us in every exchange. Now, when Dempsey was fighting, he stood right over a man he had floored and hit him as he was getting up."*
(( Source - RING, Sept. 1965 Walcott insist Ali would beat Dempsey, Louis, Rocky, etc. by Ed Brennan ))
In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about....should i believe you,, a biased casual,, or Jersey Joe ?
Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling *F-LEVEL* resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many *F-LEVEL* tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research: Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
Most people openly admit that the versions of Charles, Moore and Walcott that he fought were far from prime (The Louis & Savold fights really doesn't even deserve to be brought up). So it isn't the quality of Rocky's competition that his reputation is based on among the greats, it is that famous record 49-0. If Rocky's 49-0 record is the basis of his greatness then the fighters on that record should be the very best that were available. But by my reckoning that is the furthest thing from the truth. Infact when you look at the highest ranked fighters of the era, and then you look at his record, it's scandalous how many he didn't fight. Many of the ones he DID choose to fight are just as scandalous.
Top fighters Marciano definitely should have fought that he didn't.
*1)* Harold Johnson
*2)* Oakland Billy Smith
*3)* Yolande Pompey
*4)* Curtis Hatchetman Sheppherd
*5)* Clarence Henry
*6)* Joey Maxim
*7)* Marty Marshall
*8)* Bob Satterfield
*9)* Jimmy Bivins
*10)* Lloyd Marshall
*11)* Nino Valdes
*12)* Willie Pastrano
*13)* Cleveland Williams had 35 wins 2 losses when Rocky retired in April 1956. Rocky had plenty of opportunities to fight Cleveland in 1952 or 1953.
Those are just the definites, we could add many other names (like Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni or even Bob Baker) that while not as good, are definitely better than some of the guys he DID fight that make up that "legendary" record. Guys like these;
Lee Epperson (Career Record 0-1)
Jimmy Weeks (Career Record 0-1)
Gilbert Cardone (Career Record 0-3)
John Edwards (Career Record 1-2)
Bill Hardeman (Career Record 1-7)
Humphrey Jackson (Career Record 4-3)
Johnnie Pretzie (Career Record 10-14)
Bob Jefferson (Career Record 3-10)
Gilley Ferron (Career Record 4-13)
Tommy DiGiorgio (Career Record 9-15)
Artie Donato (Career Record 7-13)
Harry Haft (Career Record 12-7)
James Connoly (Career Record 12-9)
Harry Bilazarian (Career Record 15-12)
Joe Dominic (Career Record 18-12)
Don Mogard (Career Record 20-16)
Jimmy Walls (Career Record 21-41)
Eldridge Eatman (Career Record 22-21) according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, *"Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT."* Not only did Eldridge take a-dive vs Rocky but he had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Why would a 26-0 boxer fight an *F-LEVEL* diver who had just lost 8 fights?
Eddie Ross (Career Record is laughable). Immediately, same day, after 170lb *F-LEVEL* diver Eddie Ross was supposedly KO'd by Marciano he drove from Rhode Island Providence to Quebec City Quebec -- 8 hr 15 min 465.9 mi via I-93 N inorder to fight 160lb Billy Sparks. ( *"Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day."* - BoxRec and Providence Journal ).
Marciano's 32nd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Keene Simmons who had a career 9 wins 22 losses.
Marciano's 33rd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell who had a career 7 wins 16 losses. *(Harold had just lost 10 fights in a row before diving against Rocky)*
Marciano's 34th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Art Henri who had a career 18 wins 29 losses.
Marciano's 35th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate who had a career 12 wins 16 losses.
None of these guys beat anyone of note! Many of these guys he even fought pretty far into his career when there were obviously alternatives. In light of this should this 49-0 record be as revered as it is to some?
*(In my opinion it's clear as day that Italian Mafia Boss Frankie Carbo and underboss Al Weill cherry picked and padded Rocky's entire resume. Maybe maybe not? But one's things for sure, it was undoubtedly the smallest and weakest Heavyweight division in boxing History)*
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
@@Samantha_Lavery_Medici You're the most pathetic schizophrenic I've ever seen.
Chuck Wepner who fought both Sonny Liston and George Foreman said, *“Sonny made George look like Mr. Friendly!”* Chuck also said, *"Getting hit by Sonny was like getting hit by a baseball bat."* Chuck wasn’t exaggerating, as he walked out of that fight with a broken nose, a broken cheek bone and 72 stitches!
Liston expert, Paul Gallender said, *"Sonny Liston was killed by the mobsters, with a heroin overdose, because he didn’t throw the Wepner fight."*
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
Minimal boxing skills. Ali would annihilate him. Tyson would definitely crush him. He was a street fighter not a boxer. I had no idea how horrendous boxing skills were back in the day.
Fury would keep little Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn, and flummox him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and grind out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. Rocky ain't gettin the opportunities to impose his work-rate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins!!! Anyway he chooses!!!
*Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm grateful to see him in my lifetime. A focused Fury is boxing evolved to it's highest state ever. 277 lbs of brutal jabs, snappy punches, slick head movement, good footwork, granite chin, relaxed stamina and great intelligence.*
Transport "'The King"' back to little Rocky's era and he woulda went 149 wins 0 losses with 100% KO's!!!
Seriously though, if little Rocky fought Fury he would need the use of a stepladder or Fury could fight on his knees.
*ALL HAIL THE GOAT KING FURY*
Riddick Bowe 6' 5" 240 lbs KOs 73% with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, and would have been a difficult test for any fighter who ever lived. Trainer Eddie Futch said, "Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known." Bowe was the undisputed Heavyweight Champ in 92 and won the Super Heavyweight silver medal @ the 88 Summer Olympics. Riddick is an ATG Hall of Famer. *Prime 'Big Daddy' Bowe manhandles the little 5' 9" 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky as if he were his Daddy!!!*
GOAT!!! HAD DINNER WITH ROCK WHEN I WAS A KID!! AUTOGRAPH AND PICTURE!! FRIEND OF THE FAMILY!!!!
*According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City
*"Marciano admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian
This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who *!!!!*
Emanuel Steward was an American boxer, trainer and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career. What did Emanuel have to say about Marciano? He said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
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Short, light, T-Rex arms, slow, awkward, and extremely athletic… Rocky in my opinion is the greatest not because he walked away 49-0, but because he wasn’t supposed to be a champion, he had ( physically ) everything against him, he simply out worked his challengers, had god given power, iron chin, and a work ethic like that couldn’t be matched! Dip dip, shuffle shuffle…. BAM!!!
Fantastic film. Rocky was brilliant. So, so tough and durable! His training and stamina were second to none. What a joy it was watching this video. Rocky is a legend!!
By way of comparison no°1 p4p Naoya Inoue has 67½″ reach, longer than light heavyweight Rocky's 67" reach. Inoue is 5' 5", Rocky 5' 9". Rocky fans continuously try to debate me. What's there to debate? How to magically make Rocky bigger? History cannot be changed, Charles Moore Matthews Marciano were light heavyweights, the overwhelming majority of that division was middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting and/or masquerading as Heavyweights. It does not matter if Rocky's walking around weight was 210, bcz his average weight throughout his entire boxing career was only 178 to 186. He was light heavyweight period. I'd bet the farm on bantamweight Inoue to KO little Rocky in the 14th or 15th round.
This is important. I'm sure most Rocky fans remember that fictitious story about our military designing a gizmo inorder to test little Rocky's punching power? Well Rocky's brother, Peter, said, *"His punches were measured by a professor at Harvard and there's a writing on it, and this professor gauged the strength of his punching blow to like X amount of pounds, it's almost like a small automobile hitting you."* --@ 42:01 Rocky Marciano: A Life Story | Full Movie | Marino Amoruso
Where is Harvard university? Only 27 miles away from Brockton, Rocky's hometown. Where was the teachers hometown? Brockton? Was he Italian? What does gauge mean? Cambridge dictionary says, "to make a judgement."
So there it is. A deceptive distorted erroneous misleading and untruthful story about our military building a machine to test little Rocky's power. And all along it was a hometown teacher writing a story about his hometown hero.
*You have to respect every competitor for stepped into the ring but after studying all of his opponents my gut instinct also says Rocky is one of the biggest frauds in boxing history.*
Rockys death was a terrible thing for boxing. His commentary on fights was second to none and he was getting into training fighters. He would have been 60 in the 80s when Mike Tyson was coming through. I believe Mike would have listened to Rocky the same way he listened to Cus. Rocky could have got him to achieve his potential and keep himself on top. Rocky was great friends with Cus. I have no doubt they would have got him on board with this new talented front foot heavyweight. Marciano could have thought Mike every trick in the book when it comes to inside fighting.
You have no life going on every comment just to talk down to Marciano. Every point you try to make has no value, you're comparing apples to oranges on every comment @@Alien_Observer_LV-426
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
THE ONLY UNDEFEATED, UNDISPUTED, PERFECT HEAVY CHAMP IN BOXING HISTORY!
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the greatest.
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
49-0, beat that haters
Rocky Marciano, the Greatest Heavyweight Fighter ever and a gentleman .
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, and his trainers Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
Charles lost the title to Walcott by a seventh-round ko in 1951. He attempted to regain the Heavyweight championship three times, losing once to Walcott in 1952 and twice to Marciano in 1954. From 1955 until his retirement in 1959, Charles fought twenty-three times and only won ten of those bouts.
*And to all those questioning whether Charles could continue to live 24 more years after showing symptoms in 1951, the famous physicist Stephen Hawking lived for more than 50 years after he was diagnosed!!!*
Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
John McGlothlin @ Quora has 3.5K answers and 59M answers views. He's one of the most knowledgeable Rocky fans out there yet he continuously discusses the case of Ezzard Charles, who, from 1951 on, was suffering from the symptoms of ALS, also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” And John includes all sources to his information.
37 year old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb tiny cruiser. *Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights.* Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime.
40 year old cruiserweight Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. *Walcott being granted (6) title attempts in a (5½) year span (1947-12-05 to 1953-05-15) proves how shallow the division was at that time. And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!!!* This is important. *Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months, from 1940-02-12 to 1944-06-07.* Walcott wasn't even remotely prime when he fought Rocky. *Marciano himself said Walcott was only 90% @ 'The Marciano Tapes' #3.* Walcott's most notable victories include wins over light heavyweight Charles and light heavyweight Maxim. Charles lost 25 times and Maxim lost 29 times.
*Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
"From the beginning and all through the buildup of the first Walcott vs. Louis fight in 1947 the press criticized Walcott. In no time at all, his age became a huge subject of debate. Every sports reporter claimed that Jersey Joe was at least 38 years old. Others said he was older. Sportswriters dubbed him "Pappy," "elderly," "ancient," and "aging" were commonly used to describe Walcott. Since he was born at home and not in a hospital, he could not prove his age with a birth certificate that was filed when he was born. Walcott had to have a birth certificate for the different state boxing commission's inorder to continue boxing. Needless to say Walcott haphazardly created and filed a birth certificate in 1936 when he was in his mid 20s at the Camden Bureau of Vital Statistics." *It's all there in Walcott's biography Chapter 9 page 71. If Walcott was 38 when he fought Louis in 1947 wouldn't that put him at 43 when he faced Rocky in 1952?*
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. *Charles was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease against Walcott in 1951.* It's in Ezzard's biography 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff.
*Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
42 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Archie said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was."* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Wouldn't that put Archie in his mid 40's? This is Rocky's last fight and he's only 31. Moore continued to fight till he was 50. Who did Rocky fight when he was 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 and 50? How many times would Rocky have lost if he had 220 fights like Moore did?
*Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
*Moral of the story is Walcott was at least 40, Moore was at least 42, Charles factually had ALS, and Louis was washed. Rocky never faced a great fighter in his prime. Rocky is all manufactured hype. Who did he fight? 40 opponents were F-LEVEL bums and the rest were too old, sick or washed.*
Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
*(Light heavyweight champion {10 years} Archie Moore was easily in his 40's vs. Marciano and that is no longer debatable!!!)*
Rocky ........ The best of all time.
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, and his trainers Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
Charles lost the title to Walcott by a seventh-round ko in 1951. He attempted to regain the Heavyweight championship three times, losing once to Walcott in 1952 and twice to Marciano in 1954. From 1955 until his retirement in 1959, Charles fought twenty-three times and only won ten of those bouts.
*And to all those questioning whether Charles could continue to live 24 more years after showing symptoms in 1951, the famous physicist Stephen Hawking lived for more than 50 years after he was diagnosed!!!*
Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
John McGlothlin @ Quora has 3.5K answers and 59M answers views. He's one of the most knowledgeable Rocky fans out there yet he continuously discusses the case of Ezzard Charles, who, from 1951 on, was suffering from the symptoms of ALS, also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” And John includes all sources to his information.
Archie Moore said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was"* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Archie Moore said, *"I was in my 40's vs. Floyd Patterson."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
The host asks Archie Moore, (@ 6:35) "why does your mother say your one age and you say another?" Archie replies, *"I don't deny anything"* .. *"I never deny what my mother quotes"* .. *"I know my age"* .. *"and I've befuddled a lot of people who are requiring about my age constantly"* .. *"and that keeps me in the news."* --@ Day and Night: Archie Moore, boxer
*(Light heavyweight champion {10 years} Archie Moore was easily in his 40's vs. Marciano and that is no longer debatable!!!)*
37 year old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb tiny cruiser. *Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights.* Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime.
40 year old cruiserweight Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with (68) fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. *Walcott being granted (6) title attempts in a (5½) year span (1947-12-05 to 1953-05-15) proves how shallow the division was at that time. And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!!!* This is important. *Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months, from 1940-02-12 to 1944-06-07.* Walcott wasn't even remotely prime when he fought Rocky. *Marciano himself said Walcott was only 90% @ 'The Marciano Tapes' #3.* Walcott's most notable victories include wins over light heavyweights Charles and Maxim. Charles lost 25 times and Maxim lost 29 times.
*Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
"From the beginning and all through the buildup of the first Walcott vs. Louis fight in 1947 the press criticized Walcott. In no time at all, his age became a huge subject of debate. Every sports reporter claimed that Jersey Joe was at least 38 years old. Others said he was older. Sportswriters dubbed him "Pappy," "elderly," "ancient," and "aging" were commonly used to describe Walcott. Since he was born at home and not in a hospital, he could not prove his age with a birth certificate that was filed when he was born. Walcott had to have a birth certificate for the different state boxing commission's inorder to continue boxing. Needless to say Walcott haphazardly created and filed a birth certificate in 1936 when he was in his mid 20s at the Camden Bureau of Vital Statistics." *It's all there in Walcott's biography Chapter 9 page 71. If Walcott was 38 when he fought Louis in 1947 wouldn't that put him at 43 when he faced Rocky in 1952?*
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles with the lowest ever 42% KO's had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with (95) fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky in 1954. *Charles was already showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease against Walcott in 1951. It's in Ezzard's biography 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff.*
*Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
42 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with (178) fights before facing tiny cruiser Rocky. Archie said, *"Rocky Marciano was about 15 years younger than I was."* --@ Archie Moore Talks 2007TBears
Wouldn't that put Archie in his mid 40's? This is Rocky's last fight and he's only 31. Moore continued to fight till he was 50. Who did Rocky fight when he was 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 and 50? How many times would Rocky have lost if he had 220 fights like Moore did?
*Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
*In summary Walcott was at least 40, Moore was at least 42, Charles factually had ALS and Louis was washed. Rocky never faced an all time great in his prime. Don't get me wrong, Rocky was a topnotch flat footed light heavyweight slugger, but to be equally compared to other topnotch genuine 224 to 290 lb Super Heavyweights over the last 50 years is laughable.*
Rocky was so strong. He's the best.
Hes my favorite now, before I liked boxers but the swarmer thing is so awesome. GOAT conditioning and he's one smart man, he figured out how to lay his power down with high avoidance, making them pay. Genius. If Tua & Tyson met Rockys regime, my guess is they could have got close to Rocky, but that's another 1 or 2%, maybe even 5%.
An absolute legend. A complete Roman Gladiator. And easily the greatest of all time. The man could go 40 rounds. As the fight went on and everyone got more tired, he got more energy. Hardest puncher and insanely high accuracy rate. And the man could take anything you threw at him right on the chin as if it didn’t even happen. The man was a machine.
Perpetual motion, that was Rock. Never stopped moving forward, throwing absolute bombs every shot. The man was a machine with a granite chin. The Brockton Blockbuster, never be another.
Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!"
What a racist, hate filled article of lies.@@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727
Even if little white Marciano could have fought a prime Moore and a prime Charles he'd still be fightin light heavyweights who were both knocked out by middleweights Marshall and Booker. And even you wanna pretend they were in their primes the point is little white Marciano still struggled with light heavyweights.
One would think since little white Marciano was only 185 that he would at least have faster hands than the true Heavyweights right? But Maricano had the slowest hands I've ever seen on a white boy.
little white Marciano could train 1000 years but prime Ali would still crush him. Since Marciano struggled with light heavyweight Charles who was a good boxer, but was smaller weaker and slower than Ali, what makes you think he'd do better against Ali?
Could you imagine 41 year old light heavyweight Archie Moore busting up King Fury and Big George Foreman or any of the great Super Heavyweights? Yet little white Marciano had all he could handle and was floored with one glancing shot from the light heavyweight grandfather.
Why do you make alt accounts and then reply to yourself?
For a man of his size compared to the guys around today, he sure packed a punch and had a jaw to match, the power of recovery was mind boggling.
My father (RIP) was a Golden Glove in his day and occasionally sparred with Rocky before he became champ. He told me even then that Marciano was the most humble person he had ever known.
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell
July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2.
Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves.
They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint.
Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge.
(( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
What Marciano did to his family is unforgivable. During his retirement speech, and during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." *IT WAS ALL A LIE.* He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless @ *Aug\23\1993 -- THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault*
Fer two decades the Marciano's have been tryin to remove this article *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993* but cannot bcz it's all factual!!! Many defamation lawsuits have been filed but all failed. *He was seriously messed up.* His friends tried to help but he refused. He caused his own demise through his insatiable desire for sex and money.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was dishonorably discharged from the Army and sentenced to three years in prison. He was released after 22 months and then allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge. *--by Rocky Marciano biographer (UNBEATEN) Mike Stanton*
He already knew the weather in Des Moines was bad before he left Chicago. But he needed to collect (loansharking) 35K from mafioso underboss Luigi Giuseppe Fratto's family @ Dowling Catholic high school in Des Moines just before he was supposed to celebrate his 46th birthday in Florida. Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact.
Rocky is my favorite boxer of all time. Bricks for hands, a granite chin, great personality, unmatched cardio, great head movement, and underated body work. I studied Rocky a lot when I was younger developing my own fighting style. His relentless style and power was a problem for anyone who was in front him. For his size, dude was a beast and should always be respected as one of the greats
Rocky was an artist. And from what I have heard and read, he was a wonderful man.
Rocky not only had hands of stone, but a marble jaw too. All around under appreciated as a boxer, and a relentless heart of a true warrior. The man waged wars in the ring and was never beaten. If you love boxing, you gotta show love to Rocky Marciano! ❤
Most great boxers have a life filled with turmoil and highly questionable decisions outside the ring. Anyone who doesn't know that doesn't know boxing. The boxing world has always had a significant amount of syndicate run criminal activity, behind the scenes. All a boxer can do is best whoever the fighter is in front of him. Rocky Marciano did that in an undefeated fashion. You can carry on about all this you've commented on, but you can't deny his record. You sound like a hater who's crying that someone who fought in a blood sport wasn't civilized enough for you.
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted. Marciano was sentenced to 7yrs hard labour, Murphy 10yrs, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton*
"His dereliction's have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
(Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2)
Marchegiano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marchegiano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story. Marchegiano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marchegiano however ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marchegiano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge.
(( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocco's ability to go from dishonorable to honorable discharge. I've served in the Air Force and in all my years I've never seen that happen before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocco was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it!* ))
Marciano would break a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket. He was half a bubble off plumb with severe obsessive-compulsive personality disorder. It's in his biography. Rocky fans refuse to tell the truth though. It's much easier to sweep it under the carpet.
What Marciano did to his family is unforgivable. During his retirement speech, and during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." *That's not True. It was all a lie.* He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless, *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993* (you can read it right now)
Jeez even with this old film, you can see the leverage Rocky was getting in his shots were out of this world. Heavy Heavy hands!
"Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman." Rocky ran 30 miles daily for 2920 (8yrs) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. That's not all. In addition to his daily 30 mile runs he'd also include sprinted uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my hero.
@black David Frost Then why do you do what you do toggaf reggin?
@@Boxrec297 How many accounts do you need black David? You're black David Frost the most prolific Rocky Marciano hater on RUclips
Best conditioned fighter that ever lived Son....unlike "IRON MIKE" Tyson...."HAHAHAHAHAHA!"
So you're saying Rocky ran farther than a marathon race...every day? For 8 years? I'm a fan, but...I don't think so.
He never ran 30 miles a day, you are utterly wrong. You cannot train for a fight running that kind of distance. You would never recover nor have the time or energy to actually spar or work the bag.
Never seen a fighter so much on the front foot a absolute beast
Only one Rocky, only 1 undefeated champion, He had a lot of respect for the fight game And people.... A true champion...
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Miller weighs - 305
Zhang - 285
Bakole - 285
Teremoana - 285
Ruiz - 275
Briggs - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Jalolov - 253
Parker - 250
Foreman - 220/250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Itauma - 240
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Wilder - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
Frazier - 206
Dempsey - 187
*Moore - 175 lb Light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb Heavyweight champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb Heavyweight champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
Little Marciano's era was undoubtedly the smallest and weakest Heavyweight division in boxing history and that's not even remotely debatable!
Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years
Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years
Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years
LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years
Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49*
Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Matthews fought *(103)* times.. .little Rocky quit at *49*
LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times
Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times
Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times
Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times
Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times
Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times
LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times
*Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Anderson Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little light heavy opposition masquerading as little cruisers to have a combined ((684)) losses!!!*
*HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:*
Lewis --------- *2*
Holmes ------ *6*
Ali -------------- *5*
Vitali ----------- *2*
Foreman ---- *5*
Tyson -------- *6*
Wladimir ---- *5*
Bowe --------- *1*
Liston -------- *4*
Louis --------- *3*
Holyfield -- *10*
Frazier ------- *4*
Norton ------- *7*
Tunney ------ *1*
Dempsey --- *6*
Johnson --- *11*
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
Most people openly admit that the versions of Charles, Moore and Walcott that he fought were far from prime (The Joe Louis and Lee Savold fights really doesn't even deserve to be brought up). So it isn't the quality of Rocky's competition that his reputation is based on among the greats, it is that famous record 49-0. If Rocky's 49-0 record is the basis of his greatness then the fighters on that record should be the very best that were available. But by my reckoning that is the furthest thing from the truth. Infact when you look at the highest ranked fighters of the era, and then you look at his record, it's scandalous how many he didn't fight. Many of the ones he DID choose to fight are just as scandalous.
Top fighters Marciano definitely should have fought that he didn't.
*1)* Harold Johnson
*2)* Oakland Billy Smith
*3)* Yolande Pompey
*4)* Curtis Hatchetman Sheppherd
*5)* Clarence Henry
*6)* Joey Maxim
*7)* Marty Marshall
*8)* Bob Satterfield
*9)* Jimmy Bivins
*10)* Lloyd Marshall
*11)* Nino Valdes
Those are just the definites, we could add many other names (like Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni or even Bob Baker) that while not as good, are definitely better than some of the guys he DID fight that make up that "legendary" record. Guys like these;
Lee Epperson (Career Record 0-1)
Jimmy Weeks (Career Record 0-1)
Gilbert Cardone (Career Record 0-3)
John Edwards (Career Record 1-2)
Bill Hardeman (Career Record 1-7)
Humphrey Jackson (Career Record 4-3)
Johnnie Pretzie (Career Record 10-14)
Bob Jefferson (Career Record 3-10)
Gilley Ferron (Career Record 4-13)
Tommy DiGiorgio (Career Record 9-15)
Artie Donato (Career Record 7-13)
Harry Haft (Career Record 12-7)
James Connoly (Career Record 12-9)
Harry Bilazarian (Career Record 15-12)
Joe Dominic (Career Record 18-12)
Don Mogard (Career Record 20-16)
Jimmy Walls (Career Record 21-41)
Eldridge Eatman (Career Record 22-21) according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, *"Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT"* Not only did Eldridge take a-dive vs. Rocky but he had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Why would a 26-0 boxer fight an F-LEVEL diver who had just lost 8 fights? It's clear as day Mafia Boss Carbo and underboss Al Weill cherry picked and padded Rocky's resume!
Marciano's 32nd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Keene Simmons who had a career 9 wins 22 losses.
Marciano's 33rd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell who had a career 7 wins 16 losses. *(Harold had just lost 10 fights in a row before diving against Rocky)*
Marciano's 34th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Art Henri who had a career 18 wins 29 losses.
Marciano's 35th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate who had a career 12 wins 16 losses.
Immediately *((same day))* after 170-lb diver Eddie Ross was supposedly KO'd by Marciano he drove from Rhode Island Providence to Quebec City Quebec -- 8 hr 15 min 465.9 mi via I-93 N inorder to fight 160-lb Billy Sparks.. ( *"Amazing recovery by Eddie Ross after being KO'd by Rocky Marciano the previous day."* --BoxRec and Providence Journal ) Inspect Eddie's resume, it's hilarious!
None of these guys beat anyone of note! Many of these guys he even fought pretty far into his career when there were obviously alternatives. In light of this should this 49-0 record be as revered as it is to some?
He was a high-school dropout who worked a series of dead-end jobs - delivering coal, laboring in factories making candy, beverages, and shoes, slinging hash in a diner, digging ditches, clearing land, and fixing sidewalks. But Marciano had two world-class skills. He could absorb a frightful beating, and he could knock men out cold. “I was a nobody,” he was fond of saying. “In the ring, I became a somebody."
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
Minimal boxing skills. Ali would annihilate him. Tyson would definitely crush him. He was a street fighter not a boxer. I had no idea how horrendous boxing skills were back in the day.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history. This is important. Archie Moore himself said, *"Michael Spinks Would Have An Edge Over Ezzard Charles."* --@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
LH Charles lost *("25")* times and was KO'd *("7")* times!
LH Moore lost *("23")* times and was KO'd *("7")* times!
*LH 'Gold Medalist' 'Undisputed' 'Undefeated' 'Hall of Fame' 'All Time Great' 'Greatest of All Time' Michael Spinks Never Lost!!!*
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round.
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more..
Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa"
And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him."
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!"
Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
"However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford.
“Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches."
“I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out."
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers.
“I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.”
Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain.
Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
Walcott and Marcian.....two great champions. Wow. What a thrill to watch these great fighters. Archie Moore and Marciano....awesome.
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
Liston was a bum.
@black David Frost This guy's got a hell of a lot more on the ball than you do. At least he's not some kind of schizoid trying to destroy a dead man's legacy.
How many accounts do you have David? You're on this page as all these chicks and this Chinese guy. Sick sick sick.
@@donjennings9034 he may have not been a that good of a boxer but he did have one of the most dense hands in boxing he hit hard
You like big strong men?……..💪😁
@@Joethecatholic not with my hands I'm not
In my humble opinion Rocky Marciano was the greatest boxer ever lived.
Ali is still the greatest boxer AND an all rounded human being!
you think he could have beat Tyson in his prime?
P4p rocky is in the running. Think about it, he was basically a crusier weight. Fought around 185 pounds. He has a chance against anyone, but the likelihood of beating Tyson, holyfield, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, liston, is practically zero.
To me, he is one of the most impressive fighters being that undersized and having such a punch. And underrated defense and smarts.
@@chrislucastheprotestantviewAli aswell
@@vroxery6576 well, Ali was what would be a prototypical heavyweight today. Very fast, tall with an 81 inch reach. And around 215 pounds. He fought smaller fighters Joe Frazier 205.
That's why I say Rocky was impressive, to be 185 and do what he did. I don't think he would beat Ali. I think Ali is just too big and too fast. And had one of the greatest chins.
Rocky! Rocky! Rocky!
What a time to be a kid! I had Mickey in baseball and Rocky in boxing.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell
July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2.
Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story.
Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but mysteriously was allowed to re-join the army for a 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. "In all my years i have never heard of a dishonorable flipping back into an honorable. The fix was in. He was already protected."
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 900 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 40 miles and did 8000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special?
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special. Give me a break!!
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You should check out the incredible Bill Corrigan vs Jeff Warner slugfest from 1991 on the here. Corrigan's mullet was amazing. Warner, a roided out ex-wrestler with no boxing experience, knocks Corrigan before gasing out. Corrigan kayoed Warner with a right hand thunderbolt that rivals Maricano's suzie q that kayoed JJW@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727
@@blackdavidfrost-n-margot727 Well said black David. Together we cannot lose.
Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.
Great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS, who was like fodder fed to a pitbull, kinda like when they fed Larry Holmes to an angry Mike Tyson, or allowed Ali to be served up to Holmes.
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" little white Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach.
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Thank you for this wonderful presentation and analysis of the great Rocky Marciano.
I’ve never seen a boxer with such determination in the history of the sport than I’ve seen in Rocky marcanio
Wladimir Klitschko was more active than any recent Heavyweight champion, and he fought in a record 29 Heavyweight championship matches. He defended his title against all comers in four countries on three continents. He made 5 successful title defenses in his first reign as champion and an astonishing 18 in his second reign, which covered 12 years. Wladimir is one of the greatest Super Heavyweights who ever lived.
Unfortunately haters must hate and Wlad is known more for 3 losses - to Puritty in 98,, to Sanders in 03,, and to Brewster in 04 - than for any of his wins. BUT he re-established himself after the loss to Brewster and reeled off 22 consecutive victories before ending his career with back-to-back losses to Fury and Joshua, dealing him his first losses in 11 years at the age of 40.
He retired with a 64-5 record, a 25-4 mark in Heavyweight title fights and 53 knockouts. He never ducked anyone, but was never fully appreciated. He was a brilliant athlete, a magnificently proportioned and conditioned giant of a man. He weighed 245 pounds, stood 6 feet 6 inches, with an 81-inch reach and a jab that may have been exceeded in Heavyweight history only by Holmes and Liston. He moved like a man much smaller, light on his feet and thanks to the tutelage of the late great Emanuel Steward, cut off the ring expertly.
For all his greatness in the ring, though, what made Wlad special was his presence outside of it. He was a man of arts and letters, owner of a doctorate in sports science, a charitable man who tirelessly raised money for children and who fought for human rights around the world. In 2014, he famously stood shoulder-to-shoulder with his brother, leading anti-government protests in the Ukraine. He made the world a better place for many with his efforts, standing as a symbol of courage and defiance in the face of overwhelming political power. Today the Klitschko brothers proudly defend their country against Russia.
Rocky had ridiculous stamina. I've never seen a fighter go from start to finish still throwing bombs and pressuring fighters . Unbelievable determination
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns! *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 wow you're really anti Marciano lol you just wrote a novel
I simply mentioned rockys incredible stamina and ability to go from start to finish still throwing hard punches and at no time did I mention who I thought he could defeat of all the top heavyweights. But thanks for the bio
After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.
90% of little white Rocky's opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
My da taught me all about Rocky. And with the internet I'm able to see him. Unbelievable
I saw just about every one of his fights. To me, he was the greatest.
Rocky was the greatest , and probably still is . Cheers
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. Although Marciano was mysteriously and suspiciously allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell
July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2.
Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves.
They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint.
Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge.
(( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez you mad your last name does not end in a vowel and your ancestors could never😂
No one could ever beat Marciano , except maybe Jack Dempsey in 1919 . The man is the man unbeatable
Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
I heard it said by other pro fighters that Shavers was one of the hardest punchers ever. In fact, I believe Foreman stated that .
"If you got hit with the right hand, you wouldn't get up." -- Floyd Patterson
BS.
Floyd had a glasschin easy to ko
Rocky throws nothing but bombs . He puts everything into his punches
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. Although Marciano was mysteriously and suspiciously allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell
July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2.
Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves.
They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint.
Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge.
(( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez oh wow damn … had no ideas and thx for the in depth knowledge. Thug like in the ring and out.
So, your intent is to denigrate Rocky Marciano with shallow, hearsay information. You should write a book. There are always many gullible people who will read gossipy nonsense. You might even have a best seller.@@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez
What an amazing title highlighting Rocky Marciano! His boxing career is truly legendary, with an undefeated record and a reputation for incredible power and resilience. Marciano's fighting style and determination in the ring have inspired countless athletes and fans around the world. The focus on his best moments must be so exhilarating, showcasing the peak of athletic performance and the spirit of a true champion. Boxing history is so rich, and Marciano's contribution to it is absolutely remarkable! 🥊🌟
No one will ever come close to Rocky the Best Ever and will always be.
Dude was a genius in the ring- he figured out the angles of boxing
Zhang - 287
Joyce - 280
Fury - 277
Ngannou - 272
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Makhmudov - 260
Lennox - 250
Parker - 250
Foreman - 250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Anderson - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Wilder - 225
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 222
Lyle - 220
Holmes - 218
Ali - 218
Tyson - 218
Liston - 218
*Marciano - 184 with the shortest ever 67" flyweight reach*
*Charles - 181 with the lowest ever 42% KO's*
*Moore - 175 light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962*
Rocky fans always knew his post war drained era had an expiration date and that time has arrived. He was never tested against genuine topnotch 200+lbs Heavyweights let alone authentic topnotch 224+lbs Super Heavyweights.
But he went 49-0, yes he did, against who?
Middleweights and light heavyweights
masquerading as Heavyweights.
Walcott was at least 40,
Moore was at least 42,
Charles factually had ALS and Louis was washed.
*Rocky never fought an all-time great in his prime.*
Heck, in my opinion today's light heavyweight phenom Artur Beterbiev would annihilate Marciano! Rocky was flat-footed wide open and never used the jab.
*Rocky's era was undoubtedly without a doubt*
*the absolute worst Heavyweight division in boxing history!*
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
I think that was the gold period of boxing and rocky Marciano is the best in the world and in all of history ❤
That bent over loaded spring with that hook punching power is same type power Tyson had, the two of them going at it would have been either one of the fastest fights ever with a couple huge powers-shots or a brutal affair with endurance and heart!! I think the two most powerful punchers of all time Marciano and Tyson!!
So humble, and so respectful to his opponents, this guy was a true great in and out of the Ring,...he simply outfought and outlasted everyone who stepped into the ring with him ,...his great durability, power , toughness and iron will to win at all costs, made him such a formidable opponent, one that saw him retire as an unbeaten champ with a 49-0 record, (43 kos)....a true warrior of the Ring
Marciano was brutal.Tough,tough tough!
Great, great job compiling this overview of an all time champion. So many early techniques of Marciano and other fighters were employed by the next generations. You can easily see Marciano’s approach in Mike Tyson’s. Hints of Ezzard Charles in Muhammad Ali. Two armed defense of Archie Moore in George Foreman (especially in his resurgence). Thanks for the work to create this video.
Louis said after the fight vs. Marciano, *“I saw the right hand coming, but I couldn't do anything about it."* For all the finger-tip warriors out there, that means the reflexes can no longer react fast enough. In boxing terminology it means not being able to get-off. The majority wanted Joe to win, that's why little Rocky was a 6½-to-5 underdog. People all over the USA knew what Rocco Marchegiano represented. The 20s\30s\40s\50s Italian Mafia horrified folk. Rocky was definitely involved. How else did he go from an dishonorable discharge in the military, to an honorable discharge? That's unheard of!!! The fix was in even back then!!! Rocky fans are like, "WHAT, that never happened." Rocky fans never wanna discuss it. Just sweep it under the carpet.
Why didn't little 184lb Rocky come out of retirement at 45 and win the Heavyweight title again like 250lb George Foreman did? Wait a second. Didn't little Rocky fight Ali when he was 45? Yep. Well how'd he look? *"Oh, he was fat and moved slowly like a little turtle wearing a ridiculous lookin wig-rug toupee"*
To be fair he stands alone, undefeated and fought everyone. Great name.
Just like the Roman empire, Rocky just kept coming back until you were defeated 🥊
That was fantastic, thanks for sharing, I think Archie was incredible, tough as nails as well.😊
Tyson in his prime has never been seen before or since. A combination of incredible speed, skill, and flat out aggression. I recognized sheer mortal danger when i saw it. Dude was terrifying.
Louis in his prime would have kicked his butt.
@@donjennings9034 So are you admitting Joe Louis would have beaten little Rocky during his prime?
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 That would have been a very tough fight for both. You Marciano haters can't stand that nobody could beat Rocky. Marciano wasn't afraid of anyone, least of all Patterson.
This is important. I'm sure most Rocky fans remember that fictitious story about our military designing a gizmo inorder to test the light heavyweights punching power? Well Rocky's brother, Peter, said, *"His punches were measured by a professor at Harvard and there's a writing on it, and this professor gauged the strength of his punching blow to like X amount of pounds, it's almost like a small automobile hitting you."* --@ 42:01 Rocky Marciano: A Life Story | Full Movie | Marino Amoruso
Harvard's only 27 miles away from Brockton, Rocky's hometown. What does gauge mean? Cambridge dictionary says, *"to make a judgement."* So there it is, a deceptive distorted erroneous misleading and untruthful story about our military building a machine to test little Rocky's power. And all along it was a hometown teacher writing a story about his hometown hero. *You have to respect every competitor for stepping into the ring but after thoroughly studying all his opponents my gut instinct also says light heavyweight Rocky Marciano is one of the biggest frauds in 'Heavyweight' boxing history.*
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 Because he was a bum.
Rok was a big favorite and he didn't want to hurt the old champ!
"I think Rocky's power is very underrated" LOL what??? It's legendary!
I wish I was alive to witness such a great unprecedented boxer. One of the positive aspects of today's technology allows us to look back in time to see what we missed😊.
"Consider that in Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired." -- By Monte D. Cox, (IBRO) International Boxing Research Organization, 2004
Consider that Marciano was 49-0 with 43 knockouts.
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As a Irish kid going to St. Rocco`s in the 60s, I learned quickly about boxing, as we had a class full of Marciano`s to deal with and I wouldn`t have had it any other way...multa bella grazie, grazie, grazie Rocco...grazie grazie
I have to hand to rocky. That man definitely had a lot of stamina
Rocky Marciano: The toughest man ever to grace a boxing ring. He was small, short reach and maybe slowish but heart and determination and guts! He was simply the best
Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts. *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 Oh shit here he goes again 👀 😂😂
"Consider that in Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired." *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 That’s always the Marciano ‘hate club’ safety net- the Charles n Louis n Walcott (Archie too) were not in there primes! Thats not Rocky’s fault he could only fight available opposition. Who else was there? Like the late Bert Sugar said “Rocky was a rose in a garbage dump” The lack of quality opponents in his era is why some don’t place him higher up the ratings.
Big George lost to Jimmy young and an aging Ali. Younger George hammered Frazier but did you see Frazier? He just stood in range and was target practice for George. Rocky would’ve moved forward and worn big George out. Rocky’s freakish stamina and power would be a nightmare for any heavyweight from any era
The decathlon is the ultimate test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason. A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early thirties that still had his reflexes fully intact. Joe Louis' prime years were in 1937, 1938, 1939 when he was 23, 24, 25 years of age. Ali's best years were during his twenties. Mike Tyson's best years was in his early twenties. Yet for some unknown reason Rocky fans believe Walcott's and Moore's best years were in their forties. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason.
Technically perfect. No wasted punches.
This is the kind of video I like. 'The best of', there are too many 'worst of' videos posted.
Rocky really earned his last fight, against Archie Moore.
Great video man, this concludes a Marciano bender i was on
Over the last 10 years, I’ve loved learning why my father really liked Marciano.
He was for real!
There are some great quotes about him.
Walcott 1 was BRUTAL!!
And I think he may not have liked LaStarza. Not sure
See if u can find anyone who put him on defense or backed him up! It’s always a relentless shuffle forward!
Moore said it was like fighting a propellor! And that work rate even at the end of his last fight bears that out! Phenomenal conditioning n chin!!
While stationed in England, Marciano and a fellow soldier named James Murphy robbed two Englishman, brutally beating them up in the process *--@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* They were court-martialed and convicted after which Marciano was sentenced to 7 years hard labour, Murphy 10 years, to be served in a British military prison. Marciano was released after 22 months and dishonorable discharged. Although Marciano was mysteriously and suspiciously allowed to rejoin the military for the duration of 1946 in order to receive an honorable discharge -@ *Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World by Mike Stanton May 29, 2018*
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell
July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2.
Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves.
They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint.
Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge.
(( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
According to Rocky Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. --by Mike Stanton and Fight City
Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
"Possibly the greatest left jab in the history of the heavyweight division. That left jab could go through brick walls." -- Bert Sugar
Why do you keep making lots of posts about Sonny Liston? Are you in love with him? Do you have any emotional problems and are trying to get attention? Have you sought any treatment?
His stamina was epic. Rocky just kept on coming.
STRONGER than joe frazier
Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts. *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns! *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 Jesus you did your homework. All speculation though I think rocky would do just fine even now size can work against you too. Mike Tyson was small close to Rocky s size so who knows.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. *Little flyweight-reach 184lb-cruiser Rocky's resume:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
Great video. Nice work. Rocky was inconceivably tough and brutalized his opponents with his incomparable physicality and stamina.
Moore was a class act, too. Ty for this great content.
When *"The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's.*
This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.
After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow.
And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million.
No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been.
Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it."
21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again.
Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell."
245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches.
*Little 184lb-cruiser Rocky Marciano gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ike Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!*
The hate is strong in this one. Let your hate feed your soul....come to the Dark Side.
He was like the real life little Mac or Rocky (obviously lol) nowadays you barely ever see anybody get knocked out like that, he was something else man
Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by The Ring in 1994.
Marciano was named the 7th greatest puncher of all-time by The Ring in 1997.
Marciano was named the 9th greatest fighter of the 20th century by The Ring in 1999.
indeed ??? he was BETTER than that !!!
Who are 2nd and 3rd? Nobody else deserves the spots except Oleksandr Usyk and maybe Joe Louis.
Louis bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky only *7* years
Walcott bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Charles bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Moore bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
Savold bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky only *7* years
Matthews bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky only *7* years
LaStarza bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky only *7* years
Cockell bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky only *7* years
Lowry bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky only *7* years
Louis fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky quit at *49*
Walcott fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Moore fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Savold fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky quit at *49*
Matthews fought *(103)* times.. .little Rocky quit at *49*
LaStarza fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky quit at *49*
Cockell fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Lowry fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky quit at *49*
Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times
Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times
Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times
Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times
Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times
Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times
LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times
*Shocking isn't it? We never see these stats bcz they're always suppressed. Today's Genuine Super Heavyweights Zhang Bakole Joshua Fury Ruiz Parker Kabayel Itauma Jalolov Anderson Dubois only have a combined (15) losses yet they're already being thrown under the bus for eternity but it's perfectly fine for little Rocky's little light heavy opposition masquerading as little cruisers to have a combined ((684)) losses!!!*
*HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:*
Lewis --------- *2*
Holmes ------ *6*
Ali -------------- *5*
Vitali ----------- *2*
Foreman ---- *5*
Tyson -------- *6*
Wladimir ---- *5*
Bowe --------- *1*
Liston -------- *4*
Louis --------- *3*
Holyfield -- *10*
Frazier ------- *4*
Norton ------- *7*
Tunney ------ *1*
Dempsey --- *6*
Johnson --- *11*
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- Lennox Lewis
Miller weighs - 305
Zhang - 285
Bakole - 285
Teremoana - 285
Ruiz - 275
Briggs - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Jalolov - 253
Parker - 250
Foreman - 220/250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Itauma - 240
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Wilder - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
Frazier - 206
Dempsey - 187
*Moore - 175 lb Light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb Heavyweight champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb Heavyweight champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
Little Marciano's era was undoubtedly the smallest and weakest Heavyweight division in boxing history and that's not even remotely debatable!
@@GrubKiller436 Usyk? Lmfao 😆 hahahahahaha
Мм даа🤔 жоска рубиться Марсиано 🥊🔥👍 я восхищён им 🙌
Man I love Marciano, a class act. He looks like a Lightweight! I am amazed at his lack of an Amateur career!
Foreman, probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that "Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back-up and revert to boxing."
BS.
Isn't this Video about Marciano?
Who did Liston ever beat? Patterson? Even the bum Johansson knocked out Patterson.
@@Golden_writes550 Yes, but some people can't stand it that a 190 pound heavyweight was undefeated. So, they start talking about big lugs like Liston.
he beat every ranked heavyweight of his era.. and Sonny Liston was mediocre at best
Rocky was a beast...
And before steroids.
Zhang - 287
Joyce - 280
Fury - 277
Ngannou - 272
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Makhmudov - 260
Lennox - 250
Parker - 250
Foreman - 250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Anderson - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Wilder - 225
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 222
Lyle - 220
Holmes - 218
Ali - 218
Tyson - 218
Liston - 218
*Marciano - 184 with the shortest ever 67" flyweight reach*
*Charles - 181 with the lowest ever 42% KO's*
*Moore - 175 light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962*
Rocky fans always knew his post war drained era had an expiration date and that time has arrived. He was never tested against genuine topnotch 200+lbs Heavyweights let alone authentic topnotch 224+lbs Super Heavyweights.
But he went 49-0, yes he did, against who?
Middleweights and light heavyweights
masquerading as Heavyweights.
Walcott was at least 40,
Moore was at least 42,
Charles factually had ALS and Louis was washed.
*Rocky never fought an all-time great in his prime.*
Heck, in my opinion today's light heavyweight phenom Artur Beterbiev would annihilate Marciano! Rocky was flat-footed wide open and never used the jab.
*Rocky's era was undoubtedly without a doubt*
*the absolute worst Heavyweight division in boxing history!*
@Gregory_E_Rochette_BevoMillSTL that's the way is was all those yrs ago....called evolution.
A fight between George Foreman and rocky marciano would have been brutal and epic
I hope any individual that is getting picked on or bullied can watch this, no matter how big they are they have a chin, bust it like a balloon and you can win, look how much bigger the first 2 fighters were then Rock, and he smoked em, great example of determination, will, gut, and settling for nothing, certainly won't settle for defeat
"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco
was older when fough ALI....that was the problem....and that dive was FAKE
MARCIANO GREATEST BOXER OF ALL TIMES NO DEFEATS
Marciano had the shortest reach of any major heavyweight, and it meant that he would inevitably take a lot of punishment no matter who his opponent was. But he possessed tremendous power, had a titanium chin and was relentless through 15 rounds. Incredible.
"His derelictions have always been minor enough to avoid trial by court martial but they have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell
July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2.
Marciano, along with another solider named James Murphy had been accused of robbing two Englishmen and assaulting them. When questioned, Marciano and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they were forced to change their story, stating the two Englishmen had made sexual advances and they were forced to defend themselves.
They claimed the reason they took the wallets was so they had the Englishmens' identification to enable them to make a complaint.
Despite pleading his innocence, Marciano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Marciano however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Marciano received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge.
(( *Folks get into trouble all the time, nobody is perfect. But what stands out is Rocky's ability to go from Dishonorable discharge to Honorable discharge. I've served in the Marines, and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before. It's not possible unless the fix was in. Little Rocky was always mafioso, his loansharking business immediately after he quit boxing proves it. And it also explains his brilliantly managed and very well protected 49-0* ))
Used to watch these old videos with my granda. He always said Joe Louis was the best. I just loved Rocky 🥊 miss them arguments and the man 💚
Many have called him the greatest fighter of all time. He certainly was one of the very best fighters of all time; that we all should be able to agree on.
"I boxed heavyweights for four years till I realized Sonny Liston wasn't my cup of tea. When I saw him come on the scene, I said I'm going to get back down where I belong." -- Willie Pastrano
The man was a total class act.
What a shame he spent entire military service locked up in prison for felony assault and robbery. That's not all. The day after he retired he immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousand.
He always was the mafioso. His real career was loansharking.
He was always connected to the underworld. Fact.
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. --by Mike Stanton and Fight City
Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”
Joe Louis said in Gods of War: "It didn’t matter what stance Sonny fought from, he was the best I ever saw.”
"Liston compares favorably with any of the heavyweights of the past. Any of them. When somebody asks me, How does Liston compare with Joe Louis?' I have to stop and think. So you know how good a fighter Liston is." -- Cus D'Amato
The guy soft hitting Ali KOd twice? Okay.
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. --by Mike Stanton and Fight City
Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”
Why didn't little 184lb Marciano clean out his division like Liston did? *Why didn't he fight Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard just to name a few?* For 9 years from 55 to 64 Liston decimated his division. Johansson and Cooper declined to fight him. Frazier's team refused to fight him. On the other hand little Rocky was *NEVER* ducked. Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight him hundreds of times. Everyone wanted to fight little Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.
Sonny had an albatross 84-inch reach. Little Rocky had a-stubby 67-inch reach. A 17-inch reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Sonny's power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano. Little Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own.
Foreman, probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that "Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back-up and revert to boxing." Much bigger, much stronger sluggers like Liston, Foreman and Ibeabuchi would knock little Rocky into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any shots of his own. Watch footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s *exactly* what would happen to little Marciano if he met a prime Sonny Liston!
Man I would love to have seen a prime Rocky Marciano vs a prime Mike Tyson!