Puppy Boat Massacre: The Making of This Scene | Ep16 | Making Apocalypse Now
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In Episode 16, we’re taking a look at the story behind the horrifying ‘Puppy Boat Massacre’ scene in Apocalypse Now, including its last-minute addition, the real event that inspired it, the strange backstory of the actors in the scene, and why this small scene is actually really important to the story.
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That was a monkey, not puppy
“I told you not to stop.”
One of the best parts of this film, a film filled with best parts.
I’ve been watching this series since the beginning and every time I checked on this video, I know it’s CinemaTyler at his best
The most chocking thing with this scene isn't the massacre itself, because carnage is a part of war. The true chock is Willard executing the only survivor in cold blood because it's the most expedient thing to do. That's the part when the entire crew loses their true innocence about what this mission really is.
To be fair she was sprayed with bullets, there was nothing they could do to save her -just put her out of misery
Not to mention that could have been the Captain of the boats attempt to get help before he went to where he knew Willard was taking him. He was right in his intuition to not want to go up that river which ended his life
I love this scene, because it's the first time Willard shows the sailors anything about himself, and how fucked what they're heading towards will be.
One of my favorite shots in the movie happens right after this scene. (you have it at 9.10 minutes on your video). Lance is sat, bathed in lens flare and golden sunlight, holding one of the puppies. Then Willard enters the frame. the camera adjusts it angle slightly, causing the flare and the light to vanish. I love the symbolism of that shot.
I always saw the puppy as a metaphor for how the US sort of took up the position to protect the non-communist Vietnamese but ultimately ended up failing them. I thought the dog going missing meant that it had been killed in the firefight or had run off on its own into the jungle and maybe ended up among the Vietnamese again.
so hype for this episode you don't even know
your series recently inspired me to watch Apocalypse Now Redux for the fourth or fifth time. Fuck I love it so much. It's so beautiful, powerful, and hypnotic to me. I really really appreciate this series. It has helped draw me even deeper into its majesty. You're a king!
Same here. Glad to hear from other ppl who love this movie as much as I do. None of my friends or family like it. My dad loved it and I watched it with him for the first time but he passed away 3 years ago. Since then I have no one to watch it once or twice a year with to discuss and dissect. Glad for these clips.
@@loganstroganoff1284 Sorry for your lose, i had the same problem here. Everyone of my friends, don't really like the movie... With every watch, i adore it more!
I never knew about the monkey boat with the dead guy attached to it - - and I’ve spoken with people who worked on over to this movie, a lot! Nice find! Thanks!
Monkey sanpian. You can see the scene in its original scope on the youtubes. It's totally weird. Would have been a trippy addition to be sure.
Tyler, I have long theorized that the moment that Lance puts on the camouflage paint and says” they can’t see me”, that only the crew can see him from then on and NOT the enemy, this is why he survives the trek into the jungle. He has the paint on for the rest of the action and is ignored by everyone except the boat’s crew. He is, in fact, camouflaged from those who might harm him, therefore he lives to go back to the world.
He puts on a mask to hide his true self. His old self, innocent and pure. It is only his companion now. When he returns to the world he will wash away the face of what he was in the void.
@@gringofett3944 - Cool interpretation!
Your literal invisibility interpretation is trippy. It’s so ridiculous and magical it ends up making perfect sense. Good stuff.
No, no, no. Lance most definitely DOES NOT paint his face for fun. He is turning into and accepting the Heart of Darkness. It is corrupting him. The face paint represents his change. His face paint is like Kurtz's, and Colby's who he hasn't even met yet and Willard's at the end. The Jungle is corrupting Lance the further he goes up the river. Willard saves him at the end by taking him with him.
@@davidlean1060 Hey we had a good discussion a couple of years ago about Full Metal Jacket, Hope you're well.
I can't agree with you here. The Lance we meet at the beginning of the journey is completely different than the one we see at the very end. He's gone completely native by the time we get to the Water Buffalo sacrifice. He's wearing native face paint and clothing. He's dancing around with them. He laughs when Willard is taken by Kurtz's men and dragged through the mud. ( in the 5 +hr work print of the film he even participates in the torture of Willard and smiles) He knows by this point that his friend, Chef is dead. He has no clue where Willard is and has joined the group of natives. He was the Golden Haired surfer boy at the beginning. Pure, easy and fun. Now? He's been corrupted by his gradual decent into Hell. He's covered in blood, his good looks are hidden by native paint He's been corrupted until Willard throws him a lifeline and gets him out of there.
This movie still looks so damned good, absolutely stunning cinematography. Storaro fully deserved his Oscar win for his work on this. It’s also telling that in the harshest of conditions, beautiful and meaningful images can be produced, given great talent and perseverance. Not a green screen in sight, everything you see was actually happening in front of the camera, but instead of chaos, we get to see great beauty.
OOOOH!! I can't wait for the next episode.
Roach is my favorite character in this movie.
He only says ten words in the script (easily the best 10 period) and is the epitome of just how apathetic and far gone a soldier can be.
Hey soldier do you know who’s in charge here??
Roach: “yeah” and slowly walks away.
Yeh, and before that you had the 'ain't you?!' moment. @@musenenlightened1984
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The boat full of monkeys that was cut was possibly a reference to Werner Herzog's Aguirre the Wrath of God (1972) which is also about a doomed expedition up a jungle river. The film ends with everyone on the boat dead and it swarmed with monkeys.
The unit involved in the My Lai massacre had lost 28 men during three months in Vietnam. They had done hardly any fighting before My Lai and trying to explain their behavior by the stresses of combat or losses or much of anything else doesn't really work.
The senior officer in charge of the unit on the ground was found not guilty on all charges. In the end, the military picked out one working-class second lieutenant out of the entire unit, threw the book at him and sentenced him to life imprisonment. He was the guy that Nixon released.
Exactly so. The explanation I'd give though is that the soldiers rotated in and out, but the soldier's culture survived individual departures and arrivals - in other words, newly arrived soldiers rapidly (and by necessity) took on the attitudes of the soldiers they replaced, including the racism, fear of the "gooks," etc. New soldiers became old very quickly.
This is/has been an incredible series. You ddin't need to go this hard, and I'm glad you have.
Gah - STOP! If I keep watching "Apocalypse Now" every time you release one of these, my wife's gonna leave me ...
NEVER GET OUT OF THE BOAT, MAN! NEVER GET OUT OF THE BOAT!
Absolutely goddamn right.
Now I can RIP without wondering what happened to the puppy! I didn't catch the glimpse of him later, so now I know. What a film.
I live for these videos man!
Puppy Boat Massacre would make a great name for an alternative band
It has to be a grind core band or something lolz
Can't wait for my favorite scene to be covered in next episode. Great work man.
I'm just waiting for Roach. Unforgettable character.
@2:00, my good friend was drafted into the Army during Vietnam. He was an armor, a repairer of all kinds of weapons. Many years later, we were watching the movie, and when this scene popped up, he instantly recalled the repair number for the M-60 machine gun to attach the can to help with the belt being pulled into the weapon. RIP Ron Dale.
Another fantastic episode. Thanks. Great catch on possibly seeing the puppy on the boat while they’re at the compound. Although I think I like it better, just assuming that the puppy was “lost” after the fire fight.
The sampan the with monkeys on it reminds me of Aguirre’s raft at the end of both films, both dealing with this theme & near to Heart of Darkness.
Wish they kept that shot, and more of Chief.
I loved the alternate b2 crash shot in the workprint also
Even the killing scene is a similar misunderstanding to the Indian brother and sister killed in Aguirre that are boarded.
According to Wikipedia Coppola was influenced by Werner Herzog's "Aquirre, the Wrath of God" (1972).
Klaus Kinski would have been a better fit than Marlon Brando for Col. Kurtz.
Yea, also, the helicopter in the tree was reminiscent of the boat in the Amazon canopy.
@@vincentgoupil180 I always figured so, very very much.
I too, really want to make a film on a river.. Kinski as Kurtz would have been amazing, idk how he would have handled that production - he’d have lost his fucking mind in that climate vs the safety Herzog had him under, “Kinski’s Amazon does not include in his mind, thing’s such as mosquitos”
Eleanors book, and the one w the Playboy bunnies rly detail how totally fucked the weather was, how every day someone was near fatally bitten by this or that...
@@liltick102
Werner Herzog as Col. Kurtz would be a movie within a movie to see who, Herzog or Coppola, would melt down first.
Supporting cast for "Apocalypse Now Redux" would've be John Malkovich, Willem Defoe and Udo Kier, "Shadow of the Vampire" (2000), along with Christopher "Cowbells" Walken. Robin Williams, Roberto Benigni and Pauley Shore as river boat crew members.
Instead of the Door's song, Pink Floyd's "Several Species of Furry Animals in a Cave Grooving with a Pict".
Sort of a David Lynch meets Ernie Kovacs movie, i.e. Jan Jarmusch's "Dead Man" (1996), William Blake meets Joseph Conrad
... sorry, i digress. :)
*Best* with your river movie.
@@vincentgoupil180 Sheessh, love that song.. Reminds me of Dust Brothers mixed with Sun Ra’s nature-imitative music.
Also, that whole recast is utterly solid, Lance was the only PBR guy I’d have replaced - however, I still think he was great, and his development was more interesting than Chefs, Chef and Clean made a muuuuuuuuuuch better display of the film’s themes, and those of soldiers.. Cleans thousand yard stare, Chefs “LET’S KILL ALL THE ASSHOLES LETS SHOOT THE SHIT OUT OF EM HA, WHY NAAT” - man.... That was improvised, it blew Vittorio’s mind.
I feel like Clean should have gotten the primitive spear, and the captain should have died in the rain of gunfire, to suit the concision between Clean and Chief, but then again, they wouldn’t have been able to do that heart wrenching recording from his mother, it wouldn’t have been as impactful with the chief.
Roach interrupted with a single fucking word to outdo Kurtz’s insanity.. Herzog would have been amazing as him.
What about the photo journalist?
Have you ever seen the Apocalypse Now analysis by The Cinema Cartography?
- also also, I know someone is working on a 4-5 hr version out of the entire workprint
And thank you, my script(s) is solid, but I am very,very poor.
Homeless actually.
So, this will be a ways from now, I was robbed of 180 thousand before I got the chance in 2018.
Anyway, I think I have it in me, and I’ve done well in every other artistic endeavour- I know cinema, music, and art and history in context and all classics very well.. Idk, plus I have the skillset to do a lot of my own work, so I’m not required to have that much - plus I don’t care if it’s even seen, I just want to make it (and honestly, despite the fact I want a cinematographer, and need to have a certain look far different from Aguirre - it would be much like Aguirre.. In my mind, rivers are so bursting with symbolism they are what Tarantino would agree is a genre, not to idolize his word lmao, but he is right to see thing’s such as dinner party film’s as of a genre.)
I’ll send my ideal recast in a bit, I’d love to come up with that now- I got stabbed yesterday and I’m kind of tired out from meds atm and need to eat something though. (Oversharing but ~)
Yippieee another one!!!!
Have not seen this movie in a good while. A rewatch is coming due.
I was wondering when you were going to post a new Apocalypse Now video. Awesome as usual.
I love that movie! Thanks for your cool videos!
I wouldn't say any movies directly referenced My Lai massacre. Same type of behavior was normal SOP to let units "cool off" a village was designated as "vietcong" and soldiers were sent in to do anything. Its just that usually those massacred were used to pad out the numbers of vietcong killed. This is still being covered up because US military has a tradition of covering for its war crimes unlike those in other nations.
LOL Okay, whatever you say, pal. LOLZ
"Is wrong"
I love this channel and your willingness to break down great films. Thank you.
Thanks!
The question everyone has, what happened to the Puppy? and it seems he was just hiding in another part of the boat.
Also maybe the difference in intention with the My Lai references in AN and Platoon probably come from Stone being a Vietnam vet himself and thus knowing better the mindset of certain soldiers.
Finally Do Lung! I can't wait! I just absolutely love that scene.
[upcoming bridge] Sweet. Favourite. Looking forward.
Only wish this video was 10 mins longer
The monkeys on the boat is likely a reference to Aguirre: Wrath of God by Werner Herzog, which greatly influenced Coppola.
You've done it again CinemaTyler, great video! You do a fantastic job of discussing our favorite films, bringing up fascinating details and long-lost clips and actor interviews and bringing the movies to life all over again. How about doing Alien and Aliens and why every sequel film after those two was a horrible clinker?
This scene is the essence of modern warfare, American campaigns in primis
...and I Cried like a river. 😥
As someone else has already posted, the monkey boat echoes the monkey infested raft at the end of Herzog's scary river journey movie Aguirre Wrath Of God. Thinking it probably got cut (and never reinserted) for that reason: just too close a homage.
"And we all wanted to do a sort of Mai Lai massacre kinda thing yk" -Sam Bottoms
Can you do a video on casualties of war its NY favorite vietnam movie people don't tallk about it enough
Maybe someday! Sean Penn does a such a great job in that movie that it is kind of hard to look at him for a while afterwards.
PS. I'm a huge admirer. You inspire me. Truly. ♥️✌️
6:05 I am not sure about that. It's been a few years since I've read *The Psychedelic Soldier,* and while there wasn't any massacre scene, I'm not so sure it was "rah rah Americana". Maybe it glorified the violence to the point of absurdity, but I never got the impression that America was portrayed as noble like any number of World War 2 movies.
Regarding PLATOON's portrayal of the My Lai massacre, while the violent actions of the soldiers in that scene are not to be condoned, it is strongly implied that the village WAS collaborating with the enemy. The platoon received orders to burn the village down as they departed, not to detonate it. However, as they traversed the fields adjacent to the village, explosions could be seen and heard. These are presumably the result of fires they set detonating hidden caches of ammunition, RPG's, etc. It has been speculated that the platoon might have planted explosives, but this seems unlikely as they found no contraband to destroy, and their sole directive was to only incinerate the village.
Interesting break down of this scene. I'm sure someone like John Milius would have hated the scene thinking it promoted the "baby killer" trope used by anti-war activists but it ended being more sympathetic to the boat crew. They are not monsters; if anything Clean and Lance thought they were saving Chef.
Have you seen the New 4k Blu Ray Release. It is mind blowingly clear and crisp probably the best 4k i have seen. must see if you haven't.
I got an external UHD player recently. I want to use it for the rest of the series, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to rip UHD disks. 😑
Fucking great job, Tyler!!!
One of the best documentaries ever made is called "The Vietnam War", and it came out in 2017. Tyler mentions an "event" he cannot talk about here. That documentary covers all of it, and also everything else. It is a dreadful war crime act that is hard to fathom. The outcome of the war trials that followed will make you lose almost all faith in humanity.
americana apologia
"What you need is a massacre scene..." hmm. "TOTALLY, but also, let's involve an innocent puppy!." .... Yeah, this is a beast system we live amongst. Pretty sure.
Lance signifies the emotional journey of American youth during this period. He starts off as an archetypal clean cut all-American surfer dude
and ends the film as a psychotic, face-painted, uncommunicative basket case.
Yep definitely the puppy I’m taking that as a win
I’ve always blamed chef for the sampan massacre. If he would have been calmer, more professional, the civilian would’ve lived.
What is the small white object the girl hands to Chef before she is shot? At 5.59 in this video
7:42 Tyler, get yourself a decent 4K setup. To me, it clearly looks like a monkey on the 4K UHD on my 75 inch display.
Taken out of context the monkey scene is tremendous, but if it had been in the film I think a handful of people over the years would've been driven mad by it.
My dad was on a swift boat and hated this movie. It made the navy look like idiots. For the record, those guys were all highly trained volunteers.
That was such a well done scene. It's so terrible and tragic but fully human and believable.
Wonder what the Vietnamese actors thought of the scene? They had just fled the country due to how bad the communists were and now here they are filming a scene where the Americans are shown acting badly. America is one of the few countries that usually fully accepts the parts where we went wrong. A lot of foreigners come from countries that don't do that.
When the French fought in the first Indochina war a Viet village's prized posession was it's workhorse water buffalo. So when the Viet Minh would kidnap the water buffalo the village would then be pro-Viet Minh. When the French tracked down the Viet Minh and returned the buffalo the village was pro-French. It went back and forth.
When the Americans fought and the VC took the water buffalo they the U.S. forces would order an air strike on the VC resulting in a charred water buffalo and a pissed off village.
The movie "Operation Dumbo Drop" (1995) was based on that premise.
Like how "Apocalypse Now" is compared to a Walt Disney movie ? :)
(Its a stretch but substituting the puppy for a water buffalo symbolizes how much understanding the U.S. Forces had for Vietnamese culture.)
Gillo Pontecorvo's film "The Battle of Algiers" (1967) could also perhaps be compared to "Platoon" on how to fight an occupied country.
That's a monkee. Not a puppee.
You do an amazing job with all these, anxiously awaiting ep. 17 do lung bridge, probably my favorite scene,,, please don’t make us wait another 3 months for it 🤞
Nearly finished with the Do Lung episode!
@@CinemaTyler thank you so much for this series, it’s a huge project that still has a ways to go, which I eagerly await each one. any chance at doing something similar with “the godfather” in the future? Kind of a tie in a little with Coppola making “godfather saga” miniseries to fund “apocalypse now” after it started going over budget.
Tyler I'd love to see you cover 1982's Conan The Barbarian. I think that film is a masterpiece through the brilliant production design by Ron Cobb or the visceral direction of Milius which only enriches the magnificent performance of James Earl Jones as Thulsa Doom. Sure Arnold's acting has its weak moments but judging it overall I'd say his dedication to the role and turning this into one of his defining roles says more than enough of why hes great in the film. I wish Milius had made more films but atleast we got this gem which I truly believe inspired many RPGs and films of the genre that came afterwards. I'm not a sword and sorcery fan in the least but I adore this film which is another aspect I submit that truly makes it a masterpiece of the genre.
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Even given the context of what happens in this scene, I too was disturbed by the (albeit brief) manhandling of the puppy, and wish it hadn’t happened.
In his far-ranging 1979 interview for Rolling Stone magazine Coppola called this the most important scene in the movie, also noting that it didn’t exist in Milius’ original script. Bookended by the backlit images of Brando and Sheen fading to black, it’s the most potent moment in the film’s narrative thus far showing Willard falling into the mouth of the demon, gradually turning into Kurtz.
One Of the only few scenes from movie that fucked me up.
Of all the wrong 'uns in this film, Chief is the biggest, most arrogant arsehole of them am all. Has any character ever felt so RIGHT iin himself?
Killin for a living usa usa usa.
Tyler. I can't understand why you, a brilliant mind, keep analyzing other people's s#!t, instead of making a master piece of your own. Misunderstand me right, I love your content, but I'd rather watch something produced by you.
Lance was the worst. I can't believe he survived the movie.
Lance was awesome. He survied because he went with the flow.
This movie sucks.
since MASH I think every animal in a war movie is a child
The older i get the more disgusted i am by humanity, specially the older generations which failed us so miserably as they left us in this world thats distraught & down rotten, if I ever had the choice to decide what happens to the elderly or humanity for that matter i’d choose to give them the same fate they gave others