My 16 year old daughter has started watching Peterson videos. It's a joy to discuss these ideas with a young woman who is growing in strength and self-awareness. She is already reaching beyond her peers who are trapped in a far leftist nightmare because they are being influenced by social media, where they are force-fed a steady diet of hate and envy and neo-Marxist propaganda.
It seems to me that the force feeding is applied postmodernism based in Foucault influences. Marxism deals with class awareness I believe. Today, that is purposely left out through endless brainwashing. Instead, people are banding together in groups to compete with other groups and overthrow reasoning. It’s heartening that your daughter seems to be about other things.
Stephen Hicks is a Grade A thinker. I got his book "Explaining Postmodernism" two years ago and have read through it several times, and I find myself going back to it again and again. It is the definitive guidebook to navigating the cultural waters that are flooding our society today. I *strongly* recommend it!
@David Chorak I get what you are saying but it sounds to me like a loose paganistic worldview. Duality is indeed unique to the intellect but what is the alternative. It appears to haunt Peterson on an existential level, but in a way I empathize with him. I'm mean what you've said is a cult click away from why not embrace death, we are all going to die anyway, let's just embrace the experience of life and not think too much about it. What future does that leave for offspring? We live in an intellectual world and to cut of the head of the snake would destroy us. A much better way to put it in my opinion is knowing how to tame the snake. Ego is useful, experience without thinking is useful, but essentially there is an implicit duality underneath the intellect that can only be seen by the intellect. And that is the choice between chaos and order. Is nature perfect by design only to be driven into chaos by the intellectual spirit?(pagan view) or is nature random and chaotic only to be put into order by the intellectual spirit? (Judeo-christian view)
@David Chorak even your conclusion is the product of your own intellect that you did not have a a child. How do you reconcile your philosophy on the grounds that's we shouldn't have a pervasive worldview to guide society?
Jordan! My son and I admire your work greatly! Greetings from Mexico. Hope to meet you whenever you come to California, May God bless you and keep you always. Thank you for defending TRUTH.
@@concienciaradio to the US for work and social programs.. Then back to Mexico to spend the cash.. We get it, and we know the small hats that are behind it too.. The big picture that is
I'm curious. I think with TRUTH you probably mean your specific notion of Christianity, no? I can't help but wonder that JBP's version of that religion likely is quite different.
@@steven5054 You don't understand what indoctrination means then. Freely having a chance to listen to intellectuals with their very own opinions which differ from Jordan Peterson is the opposite of indoctrination, it's the opening of the mind to new ideas. These discussions reveal interesting intellectuals, and following them in turn leads to the more intellectuals, with more and more different views.
@@steven5054 - is that a post-modernist question? Is modernism a bubble? Are you a post-modernist? Or are you commenting on behalf of its perspective? With respect.
@Memento MoriWell, Kant wrote "a Critique of Pure Reason" , so I could certainly see the argument for that. ( also arguments against that, it depends on what you see as the enlightenment. Reason is certainly a part of it though) All you are telling me so far is you disagree with Stephen Hicks ( and Ayn Rand's view in general ). That's not a reason not to have people on. It's actually a reason to have him on if you are interesting in hearing different ideas than your own ( Jordan is not an objectivist)
twn B shut up troll. Peterson is the only one who brought atheists back to Christianity to find meaning in the stories. Instead of reading rubbish, read nietze and Jung.
Thank you Jordan Peterson for everything you do. You save lives every day. Indeed, sometimes you save the same life who struggles perpetually over an over, without even having met them.
@@milaik2194 Judas was a Christian too, but in Hell! This man is creating his own religion. ----Jewish Harvard Professor Roy Schoeman Becomes Convinced Catholic (Talk 1 Prescott Mission)) ruclips.net/video/WeDzSfquYcs/видео.html
I'm currently on 3 weeks vacation to work through your lectures. I am no scholar with no postgraduate degrees or accolades. I consider myself extremely blessed to work in a professional job where I can exercise my talents and I attribute much of my accomplishments the last 2 years from listening to you. The comment that I want to make is how tremendously well you look now (physically) compared to about 3 years ago. I realize this is mostly attributed to your diet, but man you look good sir. Jumping between your lectures and older footage, it is almost fathomable that you are the same person.
I noticed Jordan sometimes won't let his guests finish their thoughts and I am glad Stephen pushed back a bit so his ideas were allowed to be fully heard. This might be because of the lag in Skype or something else I don't know. Either way I enjoyed the talk and thank you Jordan for all that you do!
Yes, that's a somewhat annoying component of otherwise excellent discussions that Jordan Peterson conducts here. I mean, he did "ate" one or two paragraphs of prof. Hicks by nervously changing the subject. It's a pet-peeve of mine to be able to listen to the entirety of someone's reply and question. It's much easier to follow. Unless the interlocutor is straying himself from the topic or endlessly digressing, etc. But, Stephen Hicks usually tries to give concise answers as opposed to talking through an endless stream of consciousness. Certain talking discipline is important in a proper discussion format.
Being interrupted relentlessly in countless interviews has probably forced him to develop a more aggressive posture, which unfortunately carries over into other areas, such as interviews with friendlies.
Unfortunately, it's something Dr. Peterson does. I've seen him do it on just about every context where there's interaction with others. The actual talking part of the dialog moves too slowly for his processing speed. It's not a big deal in most other contexts because, as listeners, we just want to know what he thinks... but it's the most troublesome when he's conducting the interviews. Still, the material tends to be priceless and that's what matters. Especially these days.
Hi Jordan, big fan of you. Watching you since the last few years has been so rewarding. Thank you for playing the role of Father in our lives. Seeing you getting old make me sad, wish you and your family a happy and prosper life.
Dr. Peterson, hello! Just stumbled upon you last week. Been playing catch up since then, devouring every debate, interview, etc you are in... I’m 54 years old, female and from the Philippines. Thank you for your care and courage to bring out to the world, true discussions we should be taking on. Your work takes anyone who cares to listen (read), to deeper dimensions in their lives (Mine certainly) - which helps (us) find meaning in such palpable, practical ways. Am wishing you and your family the best of health and happiness so you are able to keep on doing what you do!👏🏽
@@KizaWittaker - good suggestion. He first got me when he put up that small question, just after Charlie Hebdo, asking: "is this :) a picture of Mohammed?"
Prayers for your beautiful wife, family, and yourself for healing, blessing and protection. I love your videos and books. Thanks for doing your thing Dr. Peterson!
Thank you sir for your unselfishness and being so kind to help people like us who sometimes just need a little push to cross the difficult roads of life otherwise we would never have that courage. Also listening to your lectures has made me to think and put my arguments in a better way! Biblical series has changed me in many ways. My faith in Christ is growing stronger Hope one day will attend your lectures! Thank you xx
Hopefully his wife has started to wear a hijab. Then, enclosed in her hijab, she can, in the name of women’s rights, proudly stand up and be a warrior against Trump’s War on Women and join millions of like-minded women in smashing the patriarchy, achieving freedom from male domination and oppression, fighting for gender-justice, and checking (based on skin tone) her white privilege. It’s simple common sense: the Muslim veil is the only way to find true women’s liberation and equality. Too many women accept the false equality, the faux liberation, the fake freedom of being able to wear the clothes they want, feel the sun on their face or show their hair in public, drive a car, vote, leave the house without a male relative, think independently of their husband/father, choose their own mate, keep their clitoris, and other destructive western practices. It’s time to put a stop to these illusions.
So glad to hear that Stephen Hicks is going to tackle solutions. We need a direction to move towards instead of constantly directing our energy towards fighting against.
@David Chorak so that still leaves the grand questions, what is the point of life? Where is the meaning to be found? Why even ask the question? I mean what are we all trying to do here? Reduce suffering? Make it to the afterlife? Reproduce? Travel through space?
@David Chorak so it's both, nature and spirit are one and we must face what life gives us as it presents itself. As we struggle we must struggle and until we accept our struggle we will suffer and if we curse our struggle we will suffer more. We do what we must as it has been laid out for us. Thinking just makes our struggle worse than it actually is and control is in the hands of nature itself and not men. Am I on the right track to understand what you are saying?
@David Chorak so essentially if you are living in bliss you are doing your duty and if you are not living in bliss and enduring suffering you are succumbing to the thoughts inside you making you sick, listening to the snake rather than God
@David Chorak I too have spent a long time diving deeper into the bottomless pit, but I now have a baby girl on the way and I am married. If there is one thing that removes the deep thought and replaces it with happiness it is my wife and child. I enjoyed hearing what you had to say. God bless
yeah what a shame that hicks and peterson don't know anything about it. What they say about postmodernism is not true, postmodernists don't want the postmodern condition and most of them are not marxist.
@@EuIenspiegel I don’t know about Peterson, but to say that Hicks knows nothing about philosophy is a JOKE. And his primary point about postmodernism is epistemological, not political… the essential viewpoint of postmoderns (and their intellectual ancestors) is a skepticism of man’s ability to grasp reality through perception and thought. In other words, they fundamentally believe that knowledge is (to some degree) unreliable. At the extremes, they outright reject objectivity as a possibility for human beings - which has opened the door to all manner of relativism and subjectivism. If you don’t recognize this, then YOU are sorely ignorant of the history of philosophy….
First of all I m from Turkey. I m 18 years old who is really want to learn so much from you and I m grateful for your 25 years effort to all these kind of knowledges for making world in some degree a better place. Personally first time I watch your youtube video.. was like 1 year ago and I felt a deeply cold realization because I lived my life with only meaning was like (ignorance is bliss). As you said in your videos life is tragedy, catastrophe.. so you gave me a point to cut this mindset and gain a better mindset to kill these nihilistic, pathetic, unendlessy unavoidable suffer to better future and I wanna say that I believe you will receive good news about your wife condition soon. Thanks for all these materials I m really really grateful and thankful to seeing a teacher like you. Sorry for my grammar if I made a mistake.
I've only uploaded one video to RUclips - it's a thank you message to Dr Peterson for saving my mind from the damage caused by my postmodernism infected university degree. Thank for Dr Hicks for your role in exposing postmodernism also.
I’m always happy to see you conversing with members of academia Dr. Peterson! Since the 2016 free speech rally where nobody in academia stood up for you, you’ve come a long way.
As someone half way through their first year of a languages degree, this is horribly accurate. The issue is that I seem to be able to find no one in my department willing to engage in anything other than post-modern teaching. And if you wish to look at things from a view point that is not post-modern, the only place to do it will be in your exams, where you will suffer in your marks because it will be assumed that you have simply over looked all the 'high brow' philosophy that was included in the seminars, even if you include philosophy of equal depth and just avoid post-modernism.
Sounds almost like they every bit as Dogmatic, Zealous and Totalitarian and Dysfunctional as the Religious Institutions that the Enlightenment Proponents sought to supplant. The Ourobouros wins again.
A favorite Postmodern rebuttal to any philosophical criticism: “You don’t understand postmodernism.” Keep in mind, this response makes sense when the point is to avoid categorization and coherence.
Use a capital letter at the start of a sentence. (This includes sentences within quotation marks.) The words following a colon do not usually start with a capital letter unless the introduction is short and the words after the colon are the main idea and a complete sentence. Awesome!
I love that you got a heart for an "old" comment. Glad to see Dr. Peterson reads through the comments over time versus just the initial burst of commentary that floods in after the upload.
I believe it can happen. I believe my children, at the very least, are post post modernists. There was a phase while in college, but after getting into the workforce, it spun one back around.
Dear, Jordan, I find your genuine love for humanity (or what I understand as being this) very moving and a great relief. This conversation was very nice. Stephen Hicks also inspires a lot. Thank you for that!
This is not just a problem in the university sphere. We have children in kindergartens being taught that "everyone has their own truth" and "it's not nice to correct x y or z". Take back the education systems or kiss civilization goodbye
I feel like English is my second language when I hear these conversations.
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DiscoDynamiteTNT Yeah. Just because I know the terms, literature, authors, thinkers referred to does not mean I do not think “how can I give this to my 14 year old without three months of prep?” I remember being 3 months old and not yet being able to speak and only understanding half of what people said around me. Sometimes seems nothing much has changed tbh.
@ my earliest memory is in kindergarten sitting in a circle wondering if the other kids saw colors like I saw colors. Thoughts like: I am me. And they are them type stuff. Becoming self aware as an individual
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DiscoDynamiteTNT Yup. And I have a notion some people never go through that sufficiently. Not entirely bad, especially whilst prepubescent. But NOT good after that, as you are always part of someone or something else. No more agency than my liver has. Just I/O
English is my second langage, and I can tell you it's really satisfying to train a foreign language with deep philosophical thinking. You're more focus and invested in the conversation.
Been following JBP for 3 years and will always respect and admire him and his work. That said, Stephen Hick, to me is a breath of fresh air. I'd love to hear a 3 hour conversation between these 2 men. Post lockdown!
Wonder-filled discussion between an optimistic philosopher and a reluctant pessimist psychologist .... and both coming to the same conclusions about the limitations and dangers of postmodernism. .... .... and yes there is hope.
This was fantastic, Jordan. Thanks for your continued work and for sharing with us these incredibly valuable conversations. I wish more of my friends concerned themselves with ideas, rather than people or events.
Mr, Peterson you are so intelligent, you brought me to discover McGilchrist and his wonderfull boek the Master and his Emissary, its the most wonderfull boek I haver ever read, thank you for all your work and your light in to the confussion we live under...
JPB, thank you for being you and having the courage, compassion and wisdom to be a light on the world. You inspired me to clean my house and maintain it! And to start my own RUclips channel. You stay well!
@@dragons_red That makes alot of sense actually. Words mean things, so if we change their meaning to encompass what we want them to mean, then we can piss all the old people off that think they mean, what they think they mean...
4:00 I love it when people you look up to, as in they seem to have there "shit" in order, stuff up simple things and put it on display. Human moments within the machine. Thanks for that :-)
I especially appreciated Prof Hicks’ insight on your comments on “unassailable truths” and how he took that and brought it back around to placing responsibility on others to find out truths and actually assail them and test them. I also appreciated, even more, Prof Peterson, your acknowledgement and consideration of how he worded that and it was fairly obvious he got you thinking about your own approach to those words. Much respect to being open to dialogue such as that. Love listening to these interviews and it’s opening my mind quite a bit to things I haven’t really given much thought to in the past. Thank you so much for posting these.
Check out the detailed review of the book by someone who did the research and puts all his arguments: ruclips.net/video/EHtvTGaPzF4/видео.html Hicks' book is an awful, awful book of philosophy. It makes sweeping, groundless assertions and contradicts much of common and basic knowledge. The video I linked is so well done that someone not acquainted with philosophy, as I assume you are, will be able to see why the book does not deserve any positive attention.
Hello Dr. Peterson. Your two interviews with Professor Hicks are two of my favourites ever. Many thanks for uploading this! I'll look forward to the next one. All good wishes to you!
@@twnb7733 Ask JP if you want to know. If you think you're being clever and insightful by asking that question, you can f*** off. Your sophism is showing.
I earned a master's degree in philosophy in the late 1980s and saw the growing impact of Foucault, Derrida, etc., that began in the modern languages/literary theory area. . . and saw they were pretty legless. . . but popular among people with not much philosophical experience.
mr. Peterson, if you could try to put both cameras on screen with next video, please most likely it going to be more comfortable to watch both speakers at the same time, to analyse their's face language
Thank you Doctor Peterson for all you do. You don’t teach people how to think, you teach people how to listen to themselves and think it through for themselves. Thank you for giving us young men the tools to shape ourselves into something worth a damn. Thank you for telling we are not okay as we are because we could be so much more. Stay strong my friend
You need to have Stephen Hicks back on to talk about the market forces acting to correct the universities forays into postmodern thinking in reference to the recent developments at Harvard and Penn. Listening to this podcast again Stephen Hicks sounds like quite the prophet
It's a good one, and a pretty short one too. Then again I did the audio book of The Gulag Archipelago so compared to that every audiobook is short. lol
We love you Jordan. We are all hoping for your wifes speedy recovery. I just have to ask one question: How does it feel to know that you have helped hundreds of thousands of people, find meaning in their life, and have a better life? If there has ever been someone who has been worthy of their sufferings, it is you.
No, it's absolutely misreading/misrepresenting/misinterpreting. Peterson narrows and simplifies it horribly, and seeks for people that will agree with him to confirm his own cognitive-bias about it; he doesn't even read the books themselves, only rough horribly stated resume by some American misreading precise and complex necessary french prose. It's pathetic, coming from someone I esteemed a lot.
I've come to accept I must listen to most of JBP's discussions more than once. A second- listening to this one is a good example: much better the second time. Good to know where you're going before you start out... so much like life itself, I suppose. And thanks, Dr Hicks.
The absence of logic rationality and objectivity can only lead to chaos straight from Hell. How can advocates for Truth dance around this fact intellectually without just saying so? Brilliant conversation. Thanks JBP for all you're doing to help our world.
Comrade Tome! Your counter-revolutionary actions must be condemned. Your sister and nephew should turn themselves over to The Party for re-education and be released for ungood thoughts. We must remember the purpose of education in the USSA is to cleanse the children of conservative parents of bourgeois falsehoods, and condition them for life in a progressive society, through instilling the correct ideas of multiculturalism, moral relativity, collectivism, and sacrifice for The Greater Good™. No anarchic free market of schools should be permissible. All schools must be within the nationwide government system, manned with Party soldiers teaching the same controlled message to ensure a majority mandate for a continuation of orthodoxy. Children must be encouraged to report the misdeeds of one another to authorities and to denounce their parents as well as those teachers who stray away from pre-approved textbooks. If you see something, denounce someone. In the past decades we made the government force private establishments to share a pulpit with us so as to ensure a fair spread of opinions; that stage is over, comrades - the media is ours now and we can dispense with that regulation lest capitalists use it to express their dangerous views. To make sure our opponents don't invoke their right to Free Speech we have come up with the concept of Hate Speech. Freedom of Speech has now been replaced with a more progressive concept - Freedom to Agree - with the collective opinion expressed through a Party representative. All Hail the Collective! and Long live the Deep State & Inner Party Intelligentsia, active builders of speech codes - the Basic Law of our Life!
@@kayharker712 Is it a troll or you're serious? I can't tell anymore, a stalinist could easily say those words without realizing how tyrannical they sound.
Well CuckPhilospher claims that the PostModern philosophers are not relativists quoting Derrida and Foucault, such as: “Are you a relativist simply because you say, for instance, that the other is the other, and that every other is other than the other? If I want to pay attention to the singularity of the other, the singularity of the situation, the singularity of language, is that relativism? … No, relativism is a doctrine which has its own history in which there are only points of view with no absolute necessity, or no references to absolutes. That is the opposite to what I have to say. … I have never said such a thing. Neither have I ever used the word relativism.” ― Jacques Derrida I consider these declarations as frauds. After all there is no truth as per modernists; all is a matter of opinion and language interpretation.
@@BernardPech this is not really the case. Im not as familiar with Derrida as I am with other postmodernists, such as Foucault and Rorty, but for these two it is safe to say that they are not relativists. First of all, both know that relativism is ultimately self defeating, because it makes a universal truth claim about there being no such claims. For both Foucault and Rorty truth is very real and it definitely exists. If there is no such thing as 'truth' why would Foucault write these genealogies on prisons, to give an example? Foucault is making truth claims in all of his books. He doesn't deny truth. Their conception of truth is different from many modernists, but that doesnt make them relativitsts
@Breakfast of Champions even if they were proven wrong in most of what they say (which I think is not the case and you haven't shown anything either), how exactly are they 'frauds'? Does being wrong make you a fraud?
Dr Hicks is a great pedagogue with an impressing culture. He reminds me (physicallly and intellectually) one of my favorite French philosopher, Luc Ferry. All my respect Dr.Hicks!
Jordan: "What year was Entrepreneurial Living published?" Stephen: "16" Jordan: {Dear Lord... he's a HIGHLANDER!} Stephen: "2016" Jordan: "In 2016 he published Entrepreneurial Living"
Dr. Peterson, at first I want to say I'm glad people like u exist and dont stay quiet. I'm watching your videos since late 2018 and pretty much every discussion u had that went kinda viral. I ordered ur book (12 rules) at Amazon but I have a very big problem with it. I'm from Germany and my friends and family dont speak english as well as they should, so I wanted to get a German version as well. But I stopped when I saw the reviews, 2 stars in average so I looked up some reviews and I was very shocked. The translation company (I dont know if it was done on purpose but I think so because we have some pretty good translators here) totally changed ur book. They portray u totally wrong, put words in ur mouth, change the meaning of sentences and straight up lie. Its manipulation on the highest level and I could not believe it but there are dozens of reviews that all say the same. I dont know if u will see this comment but I very much hope so. U should do something against these people who try to ruin ur reputation and spread a false message in ur name.
@@PresCalvinCoolidge sure Copied from a review: Orginal: „God says something akin to this: ‘Man, because you attended to the woman, your eyes have been opened." --- German version: Mate, after u banged the old hoe, u can see clear. Original: "You must put aside pleasure for security." --- German version : For all time you will have to make yourself comfortable to throw today's beautiful day down the troath of an uncertain future. Original: "But those who see into the future can also eternally see trouble coming, and must then prepare for all contingencies and possibilities. To do that, you will have to eternally sacrifice the present for the future." German version: And if you can look into the future, you can also see all the shit that might roll towards you. But preparation is everything, I say, and that's why you shouldn't have a quiet minute from now on. Original: "I hope you’re fond of thorns and thistles, because you’re going to grow a lot of them. German version: But maybe you like thorns and thistles, because I'll give them to you for free on top of all. Just so you know where the frog has the curls. Other reviews say: The translation can hardly be surpassed in vulgarity. It's like a parody. They make Peterson look like an idiot. This quote sums it up pretty good: This German "translation" is a disgrace. Inappropriate, inappropriate, some things are simply rewritten, omitted, words are sometimes too weak, sometimes too strong, the meaning is missed. A disaster. I'm still waiting for my original and dont want to buy the german version if it remains in this state.
Doesn't Jordans company want to sell as many as possible and make sure the translation is correct? Wouldn't this be a big thing if it came out they were purposely mistranslating it?
Fantastic discussion! So glad to hear Dr. Hicks speak with Dr. Peterson. For the record, anyone interested in reading Understanding Postmodernism I can only say that the book is very worth the read. Dr. Peterson, I love you but please let people you interview finish their thoughts. It would make the listening so much more enjoyable. Thanks for the great discussion and insight!
Great interview/debate. I highly recommend Stephen's book "Explaining Postmodernism: Skepticism and Socialism from Rousseau to Foucault". I am looking forward to reading his three other books and his upcoming podcasts.
I recommend you watch the hour long video showing how it is full of false quotes and misrepresentations of the philosopher's discussed in it. Hicks is a hack
I agree, but the observation goes both ways for these two. Grateful to JP for introducing me to Hicks. He really does have a lot to say. They're a good ying/yang set of intellectuals, with JP being more emotionally rational, and Hicks being more rationally ethical. They do listen to one another, to their credit. But again, you're right. He stepped on Hicks a few times. But Hicks is a big boy, and stepped back. Graciously. Really good conversation overall!
Thank you for this interview! Hegel discusses at length in his Phenomenology, The phase of skepticism. He repeats over and over how the subject “reduces to nothing” everything he finds. THAT is the road to nihilism. Like Jordan says, this intellectual tool is in the hands of those who are not “trained” to handle it.... the journey of Spirit continues on, in other words. Interesting too how a generation raised on videos games and the coming virtual reality feel free to retreat into a subjective fantasy on all levels. By grounding themselves in linguistics, postmodernists are ultimately bound to a Platonic ideal. ( recall Neitszche saying “Christianity is Platonism for the people”) And in this way become identical with any religious zealot, who can then pick and choose what aspects of reality ...are real.
You read Hicks' book? And you continue to take Him seriously? The fact that he called Emanuel Kant a "counter enlightenment philosopher" and claimed that he rejected reason for religion alone should have made it clear that Hicks is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly dishonest in regard to even basic philosophy.
Dr Hicks' lectures on post-modernism are on RUclips - about 6 hrs in total - and fascinating and enlightening. Perhaps the most profitable time I've ever spent learning about what makes the politically correct world tick.
@@verusians There are 6 lectures; Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 1: What Postmodernism Is Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 2: The Counter-Enlightenment Attack on Reason Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 3: The Twentieth-Century Collapse of Reason Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 4: The Climate of Collectivism Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 5: The Crisis of Socialism Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 6: Postmodern Strategy Also there is a 3hr audiobook Nietzsche and the Nazis: Full Audiobook I converted the lectures into mp3 and listen to them on my ipod.
My 16 year old daughter has started watching Peterson videos. It's a joy to discuss these ideas with a young woman who is growing in strength and self-awareness. She is already reaching beyond her peers who are trapped in a far leftist nightmare because they are being influenced by social media, where they are force-fed a steady diet of hate and envy and neo-Marxist propaganda.
@@seanleith5312 What is your point, in relation to what OP wrote?
It seems to me that the force feeding is applied postmodernism based in Foucault influences. Marxism deals with class awareness I believe. Today, that is purposely left out through endless brainwashing. Instead, people are banding together in groups to compete with other groups and overthrow reasoning. It’s heartening that your daughter seems to be about other things.
Stephen Hicks is a Grade A thinker. I got his book "Explaining Postmodernism" two years ago and have read through it several times, and I find myself going back to it again and again. It is the definitive guidebook to navigating the cultural waters that are flooding our society today. I *strongly* recommend it!
@David Chorak and everyone else is what? What is the goal? What should we all be doing?
@David Chorak I get what you are saying but it sounds to me like a loose paganistic worldview. Duality is indeed unique to the intellect but what is the alternative. It appears to haunt Peterson on an existential level, but in a way I empathize with him. I'm mean what you've said is a cult click away from why not embrace death, we are all going to die anyway, let's just embrace the experience of life and not think too much about it. What future does that leave for offspring? We live in an intellectual world and to cut of the head of the snake would destroy us. A much better way to put it in my opinion is knowing how to tame the snake. Ego is useful, experience without thinking is useful, but essentially there is an implicit duality underneath the intellect that can only be seen by the intellect. And that is the choice between chaos and order. Is nature perfect by design only to be driven into chaos by the intellectual spirit?(pagan view) or is nature random and chaotic only to be put into order by the intellectual spirit? (Judeo-christian view)
@David Chorak even your conclusion is the product of your own intellect that you did not have a a child. How do you reconcile your philosophy on the grounds that's we shouldn't have a pervasive worldview to guide society?
Jordan! My son and I admire your work greatly! Greetings from Mexico. Hope to meet you whenever you come to California, May God bless you and keep you always. Thank you for defending TRUTH.
I knew it, California *is* Mexico now!
Runaway Suzie hahaha.
@sYrup We are border residents, so, we travel a lot to and from the US and Mexico.
@@concienciaradio to the US for work and social programs.. Then back to Mexico to spend the cash.. We get it, and we know the small hats that are behind it too.. The big picture that is
I'm curious. I think with TRUTH you probably mean your specific notion of Christianity, no? I can't help but wonder that JBP's version of that religion likely is quite different.
I showed this vid to my lobster and he cleaned the entire *HOUSE*
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Hahah too good!
ROCK LOBSTER! DOWN! DOWN! Everybody there had matching towels... :)
He should have cleaned his tank first
Thank you Dr. Peterson for introducing me to an endless stream of intellectuals so I can continually expand my field of knowledge. You are the best! 🏆
Michael-6 Care to elaborate?
@@steven5054 You don't understand what indoctrination means then. Freely having a chance to listen to intellectuals with their very own opinions which differ from Jordan Peterson is the opposite of indoctrination, it's the opening of the mind to new ideas.
These discussions reveal interesting intellectuals, and following them in turn leads to the more intellectuals, with more and more different views.
@@steven5054 - is that a post-modernist question? Is modernism a bubble? Are you a post-modernist? Or are you commenting on behalf of its perspective? With respect.
@Memento MoriWell, Kant wrote "a Critique of Pure Reason" , so I could certainly see the argument for that.
( also arguments against that, it depends on what you see as the enlightenment. Reason is certainly a part of it though)
All you are telling me so far is you disagree with Stephen Hicks ( and Ayn Rand's view in general ).
That's not a reason not to have people on. It's actually a reason to have him on if you are interesting in hearing different ideas than your own ( Jordan is not an objectivist)
Thanks for proving that you haven't actually read my above post :-)
Hope your wife is recovering quickly and thoroughly. Keep up the good work. It makes a difference.
you should read this-----@t
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twn B shut up troll. Peterson is the only one who brought atheists back to Christianity to find meaning in the stories. Instead of reading rubbish, read nietze and Jung.
Thank you Jordan Peterson for everything you do. You save lives every day. Indeed, sometimes you save the same life who struggles perpetually over an over, without even having met them.
@@milaik2194 Judas was a Christian too, but in Hell! This man is creating his own religion. ----Jewish Harvard Professor Roy Schoeman Becomes Convinced Catholic
(Talk 1 Prescott Mission))
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Brilliant discussion. We need to see a lot more more Stephen Hicks.
I'm currently on 3 weeks vacation to work through your lectures. I am no scholar with no postgraduate degrees or accolades. I consider myself extremely blessed to work in a professional job where I can exercise my talents and I attribute much of my accomplishments the last 2 years from listening to you. The comment that I want to make is how tremendously well you look now (physically) compared to about 3 years ago. I realize this is mostly attributed to your diet, but man you look good sir. Jumping between your lectures and older footage, it is almost fathomable that you are the same person.
I noticed Jordan sometimes won't let his guests finish their thoughts and I am glad Stephen pushed back a bit so his ideas were allowed to be fully heard. This might be because of the lag in Skype or something else I don't know. Either way I enjoyed the talk and thank you Jordan for all that you do!
Yes, that's a somewhat annoying component of otherwise excellent discussions that Jordan Peterson conducts here. I mean, he did "ate" one or two paragraphs of prof. Hicks by nervously changing the subject. It's a pet-peeve of mine to be able to listen to the entirety of someone's reply and question. It's much easier to follow. Unless the interlocutor is straying himself from the topic or endlessly digressing, etc. But, Stephen Hicks usually tries to give concise answers as opposed to talking through an endless stream of consciousness. Certain talking discipline is important in a proper discussion format.
Unfortunately, he does the same in public dialogues. It undercuts his message as he advises us to listen attentively.
Being interrupted relentlessly in countless interviews has probably forced him to develop a more aggressive posture, which unfortunately carries over into other areas, such as interviews with friendlies.
I agree I think it was because of lag but ended up being of great benefit
Unfortunately, it's something Dr. Peterson does. I've seen him do it on just about every context where there's interaction with others. The actual talking part of the dialog moves too slowly for his processing speed. It's not a big deal in most other contexts because, as listeners, we just want to know what he thinks... but it's the most troublesome when he's conducting the interviews. Still, the material tends to be priceless and that's what matters. Especially these days.
Hi Jordan, big fan of you. Watching you since the last few years has been so rewarding. Thank you for playing the role of Father in our lives. Seeing you getting old make me sad, wish you and your family a happy and prosper life.
@οὐτόπος Great comment, thank you friend!
A brilliant and fascinating dialogue between two brilliant and influential thinkers. The two you are my heroes. Thanks so much for posting, sir.
Dr. Peterson, hello! Just stumbled upon you last week. Been playing catch up since then, devouring every debate, interview, etc you are in...
I’m 54 years old, female and from the Philippines.
Thank you for your care and courage to bring out to the world, true discussions we should be taking on. Your work takes anyone who cares to listen (read), to deeper dimensions in their lives (Mine certainly) - which helps (us) find meaning in such palpable, practical ways. Am wishing you and your family the best of health and happiness so you are able to keep on doing what you do!👏🏽
Wow! Sometimes I wish I could go back and rediscover Jordan all over again. If I may suggest, start with his biblical series.
@@KizaWittaker - good suggestion. He first got me when he put up that small question, just after Charlie Hebdo, asking: "is this :) a picture of Mohammed?"
You’ll be a while!
Prayers for your beautiful wife, family, and yourself for healing, blessing and protection. I love your videos and books. Thanks for doing your thing Dr. Peterson!
AMEN.
Thank you sir for your unselfishness and being so kind to help people like us who sometimes just need a little push to cross the difficult roads of life otherwise we would never have that courage. Also listening to your lectures has made me to think and put my arguments in a better way! Biblical series has changed me in many ways. My faith in Christ is growing stronger Hope one day will attend your lectures! Thank you xx
steven hicks is amazingly meticulous in navigating through the morass of ideas.
thanks for enlightening lecture.
I especially enjoyed the double intro at the beginning.
Gave the vid a streaming feeling...
The whole redo was pointless when you fail to edit it. But maybe a little funny.
I don't get it. His audio was working from the beginning.
I wonder why they decided to leave that part
Alec Jones It was probably for the podcast edition
That intro so nice,
he did it twice.
Hi JP. I hope you and your wife are good 👍 ps thanks for helping my life from afar
How original, fellow unique individual
Hi JP. I hope you're actually doing something useful with your 250k you make per month. Oh you're still debating SJWs on the news? zzzzz.
Hopefully his wife has started to wear a hijab. Then, enclosed in her hijab, she can, in the name of women’s rights, proudly stand up and be a warrior against Trump’s War on Women and join millions of like-minded women in smashing the patriarchy, achieving freedom from male domination and oppression, fighting for gender-justice, and checking (based on skin tone) her white privilege. It’s simple common sense: the Muslim veil is the only way to find true women’s liberation and equality.
Too many women accept the false equality, the faux liberation, the fake freedom of being able to wear the clothes they want, feel the sun on their face or show their hair in public, drive a car, vote, leave the house without a male relative, think independently of their husband/father, choose their own mate, keep their clitoris, and other destructive western practices. It’s time to put a stop to these illusions.
Retired Shitposter sounds like jealousy to me!
@@mankypancakes I like you.
Dr. Peterson. Much appreciation for these interviews. Thank you sir.
Stephen Hicks is by far one of the best brains you’ve encountered- love him too
To get a balanced view, have a look at the criticisms of his book on RUclips.
@@greatmomentsofopera7170 Same could be said for Peterson.
Urelasir absolutely
Charles Humphreys He thinks Kant is counter enlightenment my dude, he’s a hack
@@meltingpoint97 Kant was pure trash.
So glad to hear that Stephen Hicks is going to tackle solutions. We need a direction to move towards instead of constantly directing our energy towards fighting against.
There are Giants among us. These two men are two of them.
@David Chorak so that still leaves the grand questions, what is the point of life? Where is the meaning to be found? Why even ask the question? I mean what are we all trying to do here? Reduce suffering? Make it to the afterlife? Reproduce? Travel through space?
@David Chorak so it's both, nature and spirit are one and we must face what life gives us as it presents itself. As we struggle we must struggle and until we accept our struggle we will suffer and if we curse our struggle we will suffer more. We do what we must as it has been laid out for us. Thinking just makes our struggle worse than it actually is and control is in the hands of nature itself and not men. Am I on the right track to understand what you are saying?
@David Chorak so essentially if you are living in bliss you are doing your duty and if you are not living in bliss and enduring suffering you are succumbing to the thoughts inside you making you sick, listening to the snake rather than God
@David Chorak I too have spent a long time diving deeper into the bottomless pit, but I now have a baby girl on the way and I am married. If there is one thing that removes the deep thought and replaces it with happiness it is my wife and child. I enjoyed hearing what you had to say. God bless
Philosophy is the most underrated degree.
SJA zxx😶😶😫😷😫
That's the problem with modern world
yeah what a shame that hicks and peterson don't know anything about it. What they say about postmodernism is not true, postmodernists don't want the postmodern condition and most of them are not marxist.
@@EuIenspiegel I don’t know about Peterson, but to say that Hicks knows nothing about philosophy is a JOKE. And his primary point about postmodernism is epistemological, not political… the essential viewpoint of postmoderns (and their intellectual ancestors) is a skepticism of man’s ability to grasp reality through perception and thought. In other words, they fundamentally believe that knowledge is (to some degree) unreliable. At the extremes, they outright reject objectivity as a possibility for human beings - which has opened the door to all manner of relativism and subjectivism. If you don’t recognize this, then YOU are sorely ignorant of the history of philosophy….
@@tylerm1320 you ever heard of Descartes? he obv did the same. Does Platos Cave ring a bell?
Also Nietzsches philosophy has those aspects
Thanks so much for doing this dialogue Mr. Peterson
Dr. Stephen Hicks has such clear thinking. I hope he has presentations on RUclips.
First of all I m from Turkey. I m 18 years old who is really want to learn so much from you and I m grateful for your 25 years effort to all these kind of knowledges for making world in some degree a better place. Personally first time I watch your youtube video.. was like 1 year ago and I felt a deeply cold realization because I lived my life with only meaning was like (ignorance is bliss). As you said in your videos life is tragedy, catastrophe.. so you gave me a point to cut this mindset and gain a better mindset to kill these nihilistic, pathetic, unendlessy unavoidable suffer to better future and I wanna say that I believe you will receive good news about your wife condition soon. Thanks for all these materials I m really really grateful and thankful to seeing a teacher like you. Sorry for my grammar if I made a mistake.
Your videos and book, have been life changing for our family.
I've only uploaded one video to RUclips - it's a thank you message to Dr Peterson for saving my mind from the damage caused by my postmodernism infected university degree.
Thank for Dr Hicks for your role in exposing postmodernism also.
I'm interested, perhaps I'll check that out when I'm done watching this video
lol
19th century philosophy was heavily emphasized at Gettysburg College when I was there. I suspect it was not just Gettysburg.
Pay attention ✔
Speak properly ✔
Confront chaos ✔
Make the world a better place...working on it.
Learn technology X
You forgot lead the postmodern revolution ☑️
I hope and pray things get better for your wife and you doctor. Have a great day and thank you.
I’m always happy to see you conversing with members of academia Dr. Peterson! Since the 2016 free speech rally where nobody in academia stood up for you, you’ve come a long way.
I love how chill everyone always is in the comments section
Yeeaa dude.
Bruz
Long form intellectual discourse weeds out the dopey commenters and trolls pretty effectively.
This exchange has increased my optimism 😊
As someone half way through their first year of a languages degree, this is horribly accurate. The issue is that I seem to be able to find no one in my department willing to engage in anything other than post-modern teaching. And if you wish to look at things from a view point that is not post-modern, the only place to do it will be in your exams, where you will suffer in your marks because it will be assumed that you have simply over looked all the 'high brow' philosophy that was included in the seminars, even if you include philosophy of equal depth and just avoid post-modernism.
Sounds almost like they every bit as Dogmatic, Zealous and Totalitarian and Dysfunctional as the Religious Institutions that the Enlightenment Proponents sought to supplant.
The Ourobouros wins again.
Oh, that ending was pure love. You two have developed very caring sides of yourselves and that shows.
This was absolutely amazing. Invite this guy back on as soon as possible (even though I disagree with a few major things he said).
Always learn somthing new listening to this podcast, thank you Dr. Perterson!
A favorite Postmodern rebuttal to any philosophical criticism: “You don’t understand postmodernism.”
Keep in mind, this response makes sense when the point is to avoid categorization and coherence.
saw Hicks face so i clicked. video started with Peterson's face... awesome
Use a capital letter at the start of a sentence. (This includes sentences within quotation marks.) The words following a colon do not usually start with a capital letter unless the introduction is short and the words after the colon are the main idea and a complete sentence. Awesome!
Let's go for Post Post Modernism :-)
I love that you got a heart for an "old" comment. Glad to see Dr. Peterson reads through the comments over time versus just the initial burst of commentary that floods in after the upload.
Yes.
I believe it can happen. I believe my children, at the very least, are post post modernists. There was a phase while in college, but after getting into the workforce, it spun one back around.
@R Unfortunately not.
Modernism 2.0 "Maybe you missed the fact that modernism doubled human lifespan. Please reinstall and restart."
For the past 3 years, I've listened and read almost everything Dr. Peterson has put out. I have become someone I admire. Thank you, Dr. Peterson ❤
Dear, Jordan, I find your genuine love for humanity (or what I understand as being this) very moving and a great relief. This conversation was very nice. Stephen Hicks also inspires a lot. Thank you for that!
This is not just a problem in the university sphere. We have children in kindergartens being taught that "everyone has their own truth" and "it's not nice to correct x y or z". Take back the education systems or kiss civilization goodbye
I feel like English is my second language when I hear these conversations.
DiscoDynamiteTNT
Yeah. Just because I know the terms, literature, authors, thinkers referred to does not mean I do not think “how can I give this to my 14 year old without three months of prep?”
I remember being 3 months old and not yet being able to speak and only understanding half of what people said around me.
Sometimes seems nothing much has changed tbh.
@ my earliest memory is in kindergarten sitting in a circle wondering if the other kids saw colors like I saw colors. Thoughts like: I am me. And they are them type stuff. Becoming self aware as an individual
DiscoDynamiteTNT
Yup. And I have a notion some people never go through that sufficiently.
Not entirely bad, especially whilst prepubescent.
But NOT good after that, as you are always part of someone or something else.
No more agency than my liver has. Just I/O
English is my second langage, and I can tell you it's really satisfying to train a foreign language with deep philosophical thinking. You're more focus and invested in the conversation.
Bra !!!
Thank you mr peterson for this interview. I could listen to you all day, your voice makes me relaxed. Thank you
Been following JBP for 3 years and will always respect and admire him and his work.
That said, Stephen Hick, to me is a breath of fresh air. I'd love to hear a 3 hour conversation between these 2 men.
Post lockdown!
Wonder-filled discussion between an optimistic philosopher and a reluctant pessimist psychologist .... and both coming to the same conclusions about the limitations and dangers of postmodernism. .... .... and yes there is hope.
Well said.
This was fantastic, Jordan. Thanks for your continued work and for sharing with us these incredibly valuable conversations. I wish more of my friends concerned themselves with ideas, rather than people or events.
Mr, Peterson you are so intelligent, you brought me to discover McGilchrist and his wonderfull boek the Master and his Emissary, its the most wonderfull boek I haver ever read, thank you for all your work and your light in to the confussion we live under...
JPB, thank you for being you and having the courage, compassion and wisdom to be a light on the world. You inspired me to clean my house and maintain it! And to start my own RUclips channel. You stay well!
JBP: still a boomer with tech.
Indeed.
@Mebrice Depace Chill dude, he was making a lighthearted joke.
FYI Boomer has expanded to be used on those who aren't actually Boomers.
@Mebrice Depace Wow, you need to clean your room fast.
@@dragons_red That makes alot of sense actually. Words mean things, so if we change their meaning to encompass what we want them to mean, then we can piss all the old people off that think they mean, what they think they mean...
JP is a boomer (1962).
Boomers are 1946-1964
4:00 I love it when people you look up to, as in they seem to have there "shit" in order, stuff up simple things and put it on display. Human moments within the machine.
Thanks for that :-)
I especially appreciated Prof Hicks’ insight on your comments on “unassailable truths” and how he took that and brought it back around to placing responsibility on others to find out truths and actually assail them and test them. I also appreciated, even more, Prof Peterson, your acknowledgement and consideration of how he worded that and it was fairly obvious he got you thinking about your own approach to those words. Much respect to being open to dialogue such as that. Love listening to these interviews and it’s opening my mind quite a bit to things I haven’t really given much thought to in the past. Thank you so much for posting these.
Hicks book on postmodernism is fantastic. My son is taking it with him for his first year of university.
Check out the detailed review of the book by someone who did the research and puts all his arguments: ruclips.net/video/EHtvTGaPzF4/видео.html
Hicks' book is an awful, awful book of philosophy. It makes sweeping, groundless assertions and contradicts much of common and basic knowledge. The video I linked is so well done that someone not acquainted with philosophy, as I assume you are, will be able to see why the book does not deserve any positive attention.
Great conversation. So glad we are able to listen in.
Progress: my grandmother kept house while listening to soap operas. I keep house listening to JBP interviews.
Meaning wave is both
It resonates still professor Jordan, going strong just like it should.
we hear you.
Take the most better care of yourself.
Thank you
Hello Dr. Peterson. Your two interviews with Professor Hicks are two of my favourites ever. Many thanks for uploading this! I'll look forward to the next one. All good wishes to you!
Dr. Peterson, you should make an effort not to interrupt your guests. Otherwise, great dialogue.
@@twnb7733 lol that article is bogus. think for yourself. They pick and choose and don't respect the context of his speech
At least Peterson didn't say "So you are saying...A", where A is something very not PC thing like women shouldn't vote.
@@reafras Tell me----Who is the master of this Peterson?
@@twnb7733 possibly peter jordanson.
@@twnb7733 Ask JP if you want to know. If you think you're being clever and insightful by asking that question, you can f*** off. Your sophism is showing.
I earned a master's degree in philosophy in the late 1980s and saw the growing impact of Foucault, Derrida, etc., that began in the modern languages/literary theory area. . . and saw they were pretty legless. . . but popular among people with not much philosophical experience.
After the double introduction... This conversation was absolutely beautiful.
A most wonderful analysis of post modernism ever.
been here from day 1 Petey bet imma be here til the end
Dialogue, scientific method, proprietary rights, freedom of speech and human rights. That's the good fight we need to keep fighting. Cheers!
Excellent conversation between two valuable contributors to the advancement of understanding.
One Historical talk! Thanks JBP for your fascinating guest.
mr. Peterson, if you could try to put both cameras on screen with next video, please
most likely it going to be more comfortable to watch both speakers at the same time, to analyse their's face language
Thinking of your wife and family Dr Peterson
@loco latino his wife has a life-threatening illness
She's sick...and you are not funny.
@loco latino However, kudos to you for taking your lumps in a forthright fashion.
Thank you Doctor Peterson for all you do. You don’t teach people how to think, you teach people how to listen to themselves and think it through for themselves. Thank you for giving us young men the tools to shape ourselves into something worth a damn. Thank you for telling we are not okay as we are because we could be so much more. Stay strong my friend
You need to have Stephen Hicks back on to talk about the market forces acting to correct the universities forays into postmodern thinking in reference to the recent developments at Harvard and Penn. Listening to this podcast again Stephen Hicks sounds like quite the prophet
Looks like I've got a new audiobook to listen to!
It's a good one, and a pretty short one too. Then again I did the audio book of The Gulag Archipelago so compared to that every audiobook is short. lol
We love you Jordan. We are all hoping for your wifes speedy recovery. I just have to ask one question:
How does it feel to know that you have helped hundreds of thousands of people, find meaning in their life, and have a better life?
If there has ever been someone who has been worthy of their sufferings, it is you.
Everyone who wants to enter a discussion about postmodernism needs to listen to this
No, it's absolutely misreading/misrepresenting/misinterpreting. Peterson narrows and simplifies it horribly, and seeks for people that will agree with him to confirm his own cognitive-bias about it; he doesn't even read the books themselves, only rough horribly stated resume by some American misreading precise and complex necessary french prose.
It's pathetic, coming from someone I esteemed a lot.
I've come to accept I must listen to most of JBP's discussions more than once. A second- listening to this one is a good example: much better the second time. Good to know where you're going before you start out... so much like life itself, I suppose. And thanks, Dr Hicks.
Thank you for this video! We were expecting this conversation to happen and you delivered
Dr. Peterson, I think you should not interrupt your guests as often. It would make better interviews in my opinion. Thank you.
Insane that we have access to conversations like this. Agree or disagree, this is cream of the crop of the critique of postmodernism
The absence of logic rationality and objectivity can only lead to chaos straight from Hell. How can advocates for Truth dance around this fact intellectually without just saying so? Brilliant conversation. Thanks JBP for all you're doing to help our world.
Life changer!I've turned my sister and nephew on to your works ;)
Comrade Tome! Your counter-revolutionary actions must be condemned. Your sister and nephew should turn themselves over to The Party for re-education and be released for ungood thoughts.
We must remember the purpose of education in the USSA is to cleanse the children of conservative parents of bourgeois falsehoods, and condition them for life in a progressive society, through instilling the correct ideas of multiculturalism, moral relativity, collectivism, and sacrifice for The Greater Good™. No anarchic free market of schools should be permissible. All schools must be within the nationwide government system, manned with Party soldiers teaching the same controlled message to ensure a majority mandate for a continuation of orthodoxy. Children must be encouraged to report the misdeeds of one another to authorities and to denounce their parents as well as those teachers who stray away from pre-approved textbooks. If you see something, denounce someone.
In the past decades we made the government force private establishments to share a pulpit with us so as to ensure a fair spread of opinions; that stage is over, comrades - the media is ours now and we can dispense with that regulation lest capitalists use it to express their dangerous views. To make sure our opponents don't invoke their right to Free Speech we have come up with the concept of Hate Speech. Freedom of Speech has now been replaced with a more progressive concept - Freedom to Agree - with the collective opinion expressed through a Party representative.
All Hail the Collective! and Long live the Deep State & Inner Party Intelligentsia, active builders of speech codes - the Basic Law of our Life!
@@kayharker712 Is it a troll or you're serious? I can't tell anymore, a stalinist could easily say those words without realizing how tyrannical they sound.
@@Meyour67120 It was meant as a parody .... but it's getting very hard to tell these days.
You should interview CuckPhilosopher next round. His response to Hicks' book is very well-done.
agreed
Well CuckPhilospher claims that the PostModern philosophers are not relativists quoting Derrida and Foucault, such as:
“Are you a relativist simply because you say, for instance, that the other is the other, and that every other is other than the other? If I want to pay attention to the singularity of the other, the singularity of the situation, the singularity of language, is that relativism? … No, relativism is a doctrine which has its own history in which there are only points of view with no absolute necessity, or no references to absolutes. That is the opposite to what I have to say. … I have never said such a thing. Neither have I ever used the word relativism.”
― Jacques Derrida
I consider these declarations as frauds. After all there is no truth as per modernists; all is a matter of opinion and language interpretation.
@@BernardPech this is not really the case. Im not as familiar with Derrida as I am with other postmodernists, such as Foucault and Rorty, but for these two it is safe to say that they are not relativists. First of all, both know that relativism is ultimately self defeating, because it makes a universal truth claim about there being no such claims. For both Foucault and Rorty truth is very real and it definitely exists. If there is no such thing as 'truth' why would Foucault write these genealogies on prisons, to give an example? Foucault is making truth claims in all of his books. He doesn't deny truth.
Their conception of truth is different from many modernists, but that doesnt make them relativitsts
@@svvv977 JBP rejects the correspondence theory of truth as well. It would be interesting to compare it with Rorty's notion of truth.
@Breakfast of Champions even if they were proven wrong in most of what they say (which I think is not the case and you haven't shown anything either), how exactly are they 'frauds'? Does being wrong make you a fraud?
Dr Hicks is a great pedagogue with an impressing culture. He reminds me (physicallly and intellectually) one of my favorite French philosopher, Luc Ferry. All my respect Dr.Hicks!
Hicks really has a fantastic intelect ...
Love you JP!
Jordan: "What year was Entrepreneurial Living published?"
Stephen: "16"
Jordan: {Dear Lord... he's a HIGHLANDER!}
Stephen: "2016"
Jordan: "In 2016 he published Entrepreneurial Living"
bahaha, Stephen is MacLeod and Jordan is Ramirez
Bravo ..the kind of warriors we need for our grand children to have a chance! Well done.
Thinking of you and your family Dr. Peterson. Thank you for all you are doing, you're amazing. 💖
Dr. Peterson, at first I want to say I'm glad people like u exist and dont stay quiet. I'm watching your videos since late 2018 and pretty much every discussion u had that went kinda viral. I ordered ur book (12 rules) at Amazon but I have a very big problem with it. I'm from Germany and my friends and family dont speak english as well as they should, so I wanted to get a German version as well. But I stopped when I saw the reviews, 2 stars in average so I looked up some reviews and I was very shocked. The translation company (I dont know if it was done on purpose but I think so because we have some pretty good translators here) totally changed ur book. They portray u totally wrong, put words in ur mouth, change the meaning of sentences and straight up lie. Its manipulation on the highest level and I could not believe it but there are dozens of reviews that all say the same. I dont know if u will see this comment but I very much hope so. U should do something against these people who try to ruin ur reputation and spread a false message in ur name.
Well: that is quite interesting
Example please.
@@PresCalvinCoolidge sure
Copied from a review:
Orginal: „God says something akin to this: ‘Man, because you attended to the woman, your eyes have been opened." ---
German version: Mate, after u banged the old hoe, u can see clear.
Original: "You must put aside pleasure for security." ---
German version : For all time you will have to make yourself comfortable to throw today's beautiful day down the troath of an uncertain future.
Original: "But those who see into the future can also eternally see trouble coming, and must then prepare for all contingencies and possibilities. To do that, you will have to eternally sacrifice the present for the future."
German version: And if you can look into the future, you can also see all the shit that might roll towards you. But preparation is everything, I say, and that's why you shouldn't have a quiet minute from now on.
Original: "I hope you’re fond of thorns and thistles, because you’re going to grow a lot of them.
German version: But maybe you like thorns and thistles, because I'll give them to you for free on top of all. Just so you know where the frog has the curls.
Other reviews say:
The translation can hardly be surpassed in vulgarity.
It's like a parody.
They make Peterson look like an idiot.
This quote sums it up pretty good:
This German "translation" is a disgrace. Inappropriate, inappropriate, some things are simply rewritten, omitted, words are sometimes too weak, sometimes too strong, the meaning is missed. A disaster.
I'm still waiting for my original and dont want to buy the german version if it remains in this state.
Doesn't Jordans company want to sell as many as possible and make sure the translation is correct? Wouldn't this be a big thing if it came out they were purposely mistranslating it?
Men can u send him a copy to Jordan pls? He must see this shit bro this is unnaceptable
Alan Bloom wrote about these same problems with post-modernism in his 1987 book The Closing of the American Mind.
got a link?
@@nyahhbinghi you can get it on Amazon
Fantastic discussion! So glad to hear Dr. Hicks speak with Dr. Peterson. For the record, anyone interested in reading Understanding Postmodernism I can only say that the book is very worth the read. Dr. Peterson, I love you but please let people you interview finish their thoughts. It would make the listening so much more enjoyable. Thanks for the great discussion and insight!
Love you man please look after yourself. You done more for the lost young People than anyone I know 👍
Great interview/debate. I highly recommend Stephen's book "Explaining Postmodernism: Skepticism and Socialism from Rousseau to Foucault". I am looking forward to reading his three other books and his upcoming podcasts.
reading more never hurts but the book is fairly flawed in its information
I recommend you watch the hour long video showing how it is full of false quotes and misrepresentations of the philosopher's discussed in it. Hicks is a hack
Hicks has a lot to say, that I think Peterson does not agree with or fully grasp. Jordan should let Stephen finish his thoughts.
I agree, but the observation goes both ways for these two. Grateful to JP for introducing me to Hicks. He really does have a lot to say. They're a good ying/yang set of intellectuals, with JP being more emotionally rational, and Hicks being more rationally ethical. They do listen to one another, to their credit. But again, you're right. He stepped on Hicks a few times. But Hicks is a big boy, and stepped back. Graciously. Really good conversation overall!
hicks is super based..imo hicks seems to have been the man that got JBP to refine his thoughts and really got him off the couch
Dr. Peterson, thank you for doing your best to bring light to the world.
Dr Hicks, thank you for sharing your knowledge, but please, in the future, use simpler language.
This needs way more views
I love how he couldn't even be bothered to cut out the first intro
Thanks for the video! Hope your wife is well 🙏
Thank you for this interview! Hegel discusses at length in his Phenomenology, The phase of skepticism. He repeats over and over how the subject “reduces to nothing” everything he finds. THAT is the road to nihilism. Like Jordan says, this intellectual tool is in the hands of those who are not “trained” to handle it.... the journey of Spirit continues on, in other words.
Interesting too how a generation raised on videos games and the coming virtual reality feel free to retreat into a subjective fantasy on all levels.
By grounding themselves in linguistics, postmodernists are ultimately bound to a Platonic ideal. ( recall Neitszche saying “Christianity is Platonism for the people”) And in this way become identical with any religious zealot, who can then pick and choose what aspects of reality ...are real.
Well done.
I'm loving the folk Jordan Peterson is having conversations with. I wish this was around decades ago.
I read 《explaining postmodernism》 last year under recommendation of Dr JP‘s book list，thank you both. So articulated.
You read Hicks' book? And you continue to take Him seriously? The fact that he called Emanuel Kant a "counter enlightenment philosopher" and claimed that he rejected reason for religion alone should have made it clear that Hicks is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly dishonest in regard to even basic philosophy.
Thanks for keep bringing me interesting people to add to my reading list Jordan!
Dr Hicks' lectures on post-modernism are on RUclips - about 6 hrs in total - and fascinating and enlightening. Perhaps the most profitable time I've ever spent learning about what makes the politically correct world tick.
@@kayharker712 Thanks buddy, I found one that is two and a half hours long. Does he have a channel?
@@verusians There are 6 lectures;
Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 1: What Postmodernism Is
Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 2: The Counter-Enlightenment Attack on Reason
Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 3: The Twentieth-Century Collapse of Reason
Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 4: The Climate of Collectivism
Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 5: The Crisis of Socialism
Explaining Postmodernism: Chapter 6: Postmodern Strategy
Also there is a 3hr audiobook
Nietzsche and the Nazis: Full Audiobook
I converted the lectures into mp3 and listen to them on my ipod.
heres a link to the first one - CEE video Channel
ruclips.net/video/qcSb6VCRoMc/видео.html
The few minute ‘saying goodbye’ at the end was the more charming element of this very inspiring and informative video. Thanks for posting this.
Love you Dr. Peterson, keep the good work up!