Dude you hit the nail on the head! most people don't think to do the sound test, but if you drop a silver quarter onto a silver dollar and then drop a silver quarter onto a fake silver dollar, you can definitely hear the difference! That's about one of the only things that they can't fake!!!
Why did you not put the fake to the scale? Use loop to check for what details? What strength magnet? Stronger magnet the better or at a certain point it's overkill?
I bought 6 Morgan Dollars from 1879, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1900 and 1921 and 17 Peace Dollars 1922-1926 here in Germany yesterday in a pawn shop for a total price of €460, which is €20 each, which is €2.45 more than the spot i think the price is ok for all 23 coins 460€ equals 507$ and 20€ a piece equals 22$ what do you think about the price was it a bargain? how much do the coins cost at your pawn shop in the usa?
wow china seems to be better at making fakes than they are at making real products (i.e. everything) - I picked the wrong one btw, they even fake the wear and tear you would expect to see. - However, it would be good for a decoy stack or safe. I mainly stack but i do collect morgans and peace dollars. Really hard to find in Australia. Thanks for the vid I learnt something and really enjoyed it thanks :-)
I'd like to see you stack all the coins like they were in a roll, and compare the reeding. You'd see some substantial differences. It would be nearly impossible to get the number of reeds and spacing between them and sharpness of the reeds correct for a fake. Maybe impossible for most counterfeiters.
Turn them all facing the same way so when scanning over them give us a chance to test our visual detection skills. Also, what did the fake one weigh? And were there any inaccuracies in the detail of the coin? Such as the distance between the ‘teeth’ of the border or the way the numerals in the date look or the shape of the engraver’s initial. Additionally, it looks like you have more than one fake there. Consider this: A Super fake: Actually made with Silver and Copper. It sounds the same as a silver dollar; weighs the same, passes the magnet test, passes the magnet slide test, and the ice cube test because well, it IS a real silver dollar. The poor thing suffered an identity crisis midway through its life. See, it was born with an ‘O’, but it always wanted to have a ‘D’, but since they weren’t giving out the ‘D’, a little ‘CC’ had become acceptable. In fact it ended up that having a little ‘O’ was much more better than having a little ‘D’. Sorry, couldn’t resist. Think it can’t happen? Well, look a little closer at your Morgans. I say you already have one. What better way to turn 21.44 grams of silver into $500 - $300,000?
I would like to know where you bought the book, the title and author and the price you paid for the handy coin book. Thanks you did a wonderful job explaining fake coin.
If you really paid face value ($10) for ten morgans, you made a huge profit regardless. And you now you used the fake morgan for educational purposes, so even that got to good use.
I dont understand why someone would use an easily detectable metal to fake a rare valuable coin. If they had used silver it would be very difficult to detect. Harsh!
Also with silver bars, the fakes are heavily plated so they pass the weight test, the sound test, the magnet test and the Acid test. The fake miao coins and the fake bars contain copper so they pass the ICE/Thermal test. Sorry for the bad news.
No, sometimes they are made of plated copper or brass which are not magnetic. Copper or brass will have a lower density than silver, though. If the diameter matches that of a real Morgan then the coin would have to be about 15% thicker in order to weigh the same amount. That is, of course, IF the fake is of proper weight. Best thing is to carry a scale around to weigh the silver dollars you encounter. Among the real silver dollars, even the very worn ones will be close to the 26.73g of an uncirculated dollar. That applies to both Morgan and Peace dollars.
thanks for excellent video. It really sucks there are more and more fakes. Probably the Chinese? When I buy 90 silver coins on Ebay I stay clear of Morgans and Peace Dollars due to fakes and buy the dimes, quarters and halves which I have never heard of being faked.
Apparently they making them out of silver now,right weight , size, etc.they used 5% copper, 5%zinc, instead of 10% copper with the silver,that's why u need a metal machine to see what metal they made out of now 😳
I have an 1878 that weighs in at 26.52 but has a little wear on it. it's actually good to maybe very good detail on it. I just can't wrap my head around it if it's real or a fake and i'm going by what it weighs in at.
My 1890 o is comepltly real (even checked by cams just to make extra sure it’s real) and it checks out but it weighs 26.5 grams as well it’s to be expected that it looses some weight as it wears as long as it checks out with the cams for the year and mintamrk of that coin it is real
I've seen fakes that weigh as little as 19g, and you should be able to spot those just by holding one in your hand. A 30% difference in weight is obvious. Even if the fake is something like 23g you should still be able to tell the difference. Just keep a real Morgan in your wallet (each weighs 26.73g) and you can hold the real one in one hand and the dollar to be tested in the other, and compare them. Of course it would be easier to carry an electronic scale in your pocket when silver hunting.
So have a question. I have a Morgan that’s OBVIOUSLY fake. It’s double sided and in almost perfect condition, by double I mean the Morgan face is on both side of the coin. Why in the world would they make this coin so obviously fake? I mean, it looks exactly like an original coin but double sided. I didn’t buy though, my parents randomly gave it to me.
hi i have a morgan dollar from 1880 my dad got it from some one it has a o mint mark and its a mint state condition i did some testes it past all of them but the only thing i saw was a small very small m under morgans neck is that normal or not. please let me know thanks
Yes it is normals as that is the designers initials. That's why they call it a Morgan Silver Dollar, not because the lady in it is named Morgan, it's Miss Liberty. The designer was Morgan hence getting the name.
The flea market seller knew he was selling you a fake, that's why he only charged you face value. If it was a real Carson City he would have sold it for much more, dealers know the value of coins, that's their business to know. He still did you dirty in selling it to you though.
They would be smart to use real 90% silver to make those CC fakes. They still would make a lot of money and it would be much harder to spot them. Hey, maybe they already do, and we just don't know.
the Chinese coins made today, .. they no longer stick to magnets that were the old deal now they are the same weight they don't attract to magnets and lower value mintage is also made the only way to identify is an acid test also 2 identical coins with absolute identical wear is a clue
There’s a few ways checking one against a real piece is a good way 90% silver fakes exist and the acid test would be useless against those but checking against a real would reveal its more than likely a poor strike compared to a real one
my issuse is a fake morgan that isnt made of steel i can feel the weight of the coin is different to my other 1921 morgan dollar... what too do to be honest
I purposefully purchased a lot of 20 fake Miao morgans. Year 1883 so very common. No mint mark - so not San Fran or Carson city. The weight is on spot. The dimensions are on spot. The drop test sound is on spot. They pass the magnet test. The lot on ebay cost me 30 dollars with free shipping. The day I purchased mine, approximately 3-5 hundred other miao morgans and similar coins were sold in roughly the same price range. miao silver is an alloy of silver, copper and nickel so they may also pass the Stannic Acid test. Everyone's only hope is that with the Stannic Acid test, the fakes give you a green versus brown result. I will check this out myself . Either way, the majority of people do not walk around with a dropper bottle of Stannic Acid. Happy coin collecting.
Dude you hit the nail on the head! most people don't think to do the sound test, but if you drop a silver quarter onto a silver dollar and then drop a silver quarter onto a fake silver dollar, you can definitely hear the difference! That's about one of the only things that they can't fake!!!
Great video. Shoulda showed the weight of the fake though.
Thanks Greg! It's getting really scary how good the fakes look! Be on the lookout.
Why did you not put the fake to the scale? Use loop to check for what details? What strength magnet? Stronger magnet the better or at a certain point it's overkill?
I bought 6 Morgan Dollars from 1879, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1900 and 1921 and 17 Peace Dollars 1922-1926 here in Germany yesterday in a pawn shop for a total price of €460, which is €20 each, which is €2.45 more than the spot i think the price is ok for all 23 coins 460€ equals 507$
and 20€ a piece equals 22$ what do you think about the price was it a bargain? how much do the coins cost at your pawn shop in the usa?
Thanks for the video. The new fakes are not magnetized so the magnet test only works on the old fakes not the new ones.
I see you have a SilverTowne ingot! are you from Winchester? Thats my home town!
wow china seems to be better at making fakes than they are at making real products (i.e. everything) - I picked the wrong one btw, they even fake the wear and tear you would expect to see. - However, it would be good for a decoy stack or safe. I mainly stack but i do collect morgans and peace dollars. Really hard to find in Australia. Thanks for the vid I learnt something and really enjoyed it thanks :-)
I'd like to see you stack all the coins like they were in a roll, and compare the reeding. You'd see some substantial differences. It would be nearly impossible to get the number of reeds and spacing between them and sharpness of the reeds correct for a fake. Maybe impossible for most counterfeiters.
Terrible camera work man
I wonder how much the fake weighed.
Not 26.7 g. for sure
This one is probably 20-22 grams. Even Morgan's worn to almost no visible details weigh over 25 grams.
Is there a thickness difference on the fake vs real?
Turn them all facing the same way so when scanning over them give us a chance to test our visual detection skills. Also, what did the fake one weigh? And were there any inaccuracies in the detail of the coin? Such as the distance between the ‘teeth’ of the border or the way the numerals in the date look or the shape of the engraver’s initial. Additionally, it looks like you have more than one fake there. Consider this: A Super fake: Actually made with Silver and Copper. It sounds the same as a silver dollar; weighs the same, passes the magnet test, passes the magnet slide test, and the ice cube test because well, it IS a real silver dollar. The poor thing suffered an identity crisis midway through its life. See, it was born with an ‘O’, but it always wanted to have a ‘D’, but since they weren’t giving out the ‘D’, a little ‘CC’ had become acceptable. In fact it ended up that having a little ‘O’ was much more better than having a little ‘D’. Sorry, couldn’t resist. Think it can’t happen? Well, look a little closer at your Morgans. I say you already have one. What better way to turn 21.44 grams of silver into $500 - $300,000?
I would like to know where you bought the book, the title and author and the price you paid for the handy coin book. Thanks you did a wonderful job explaining fake coin.
Rocky google search Red Book.
If you really paid face value ($10) for ten morgans, you made a huge profit regardless. And you now you used the fake morgan for educational purposes, so even that got to good use.
Even if only one of the ten was real he would have still made a profit.
I think he meant to say that he paid melt value, which is well under what Morgans - even average circulated Morgans - typically go for.
I think he meant to say he paid BOOK VALUE. Around $32 apiece.
Thanks for the info. Great video
I dont understand why someone would use an easily detectable metal to fake a rare valuable coin. If they had used silver it would be very difficult to detect. Harsh!
Gm hello so wen stick Morgan's it's fake and wen don't stick its real? Thanks
It's good to have a well done fake as a reference piece.
Wow I actually spotted the fake with just looking at it!?!
Luc Nguyen Yeah. It looked "too good to be true"!
Well spotted, i pick same one and im from England.
Also with silver bars, the fakes are heavily plated so they pass the weight test, the sound test, the magnet test and the Acid test. The fake miao coins and the fake bars contain copper so they pass the ICE/Thermal test. Sorry for the bad news.
Sir I just confused about fake which those morgans. If magnet gets it mean fake? right If magnet didn't cling it mean real?
No, sometimes they are made of plated copper or brass which are not magnetic. Copper or brass will have a lower density than silver, though. If the diameter matches that of a real Morgan then the coin would have to be about 15% thicker in order to weigh the same amount. That is, of course, IF the fake is of proper weight. Best thing is to carry a scale around to weigh the silver dollars you encounter. Among the real silver dollars, even the very worn ones will be close to the 26.73g of an uncirculated dollar. That applies to both Morgan and Peace dollars.
thanks for excellent video. It really sucks there are more and more fakes. Probably the Chinese? When I buy 90 silver coins on Ebay I stay clear of Morgans and Peace Dollars due to fakes and buy the dimes, quarters and halves which I have never heard of being faked.
What book di you refer too that had mintage and values thanks
thanks good job for let us this information. and can you tell me what other error can find. thanks.
Apparently they making them out of silver now,right weight , size, etc.they used 5% copper, 5%zinc, instead of 10% copper with the silver,that's why u need a metal machine to see what metal they made out of now 😳
How do I know if mine is fake man !!! Immune weighs 25.7 grams and it pings but don’t weigh right
I want to know what flea markets you are going to if you are paying $1 a piece for these..
The coins of the year 1894 does the magnetic tickets in it???
Nice vid really helped me with spotting fakes
It is a decent fake, but once you started panning over the coins, it was easy to spot.
Wow! Thank you so much. Do you have other videos of how to tell other fake US coins? Thank you for the info,
Face value for all those?! Jesus did you give the guy a blindfold?!
Great video, thank you for posting!
🙏 Thanks for informative video 🙏
I have an 1878 that weighs in at 26.52 but has a little wear on it. it's actually good to maybe very good detail on it. I just can't wrap my head around it if it's real or a fake and i'm going by what it weighs in at.
My 1890 o is comepltly real (even checked by cams just to make extra sure it’s real) and it checks out but it weighs 26.5 grams as well it’s to be expected that it looses some weight as it wears as long as it checks out with the cams for the year and mintamrk of that coin it is real
I have 1888 One do andit's woht no?
great video ..... what about about using the loop?
I've seen fakes that weigh as little as 19g, and you should be able to spot those just by holding one in your hand. A 30% difference in weight is obvious. Even if the fake is something like 23g you should still be able to tell the difference. Just keep a real Morgan in your wallet (each weighs 26.73g) and you can hold the real one in one hand and the dollar to be tested in the other, and compare them. Of course it would be easier to carry an electronic scale in your pocket when silver hunting.
Iron has a low density. If you weighed it prior to purchase it would have come in around 75% of a real morgan or noticeably oversized.
And that is why I BUY "MY" CC Morgan Dollar's PCGS or NGC GRADED!!!!.....
If they can fake a minted silver coin, why couldn’t they fake a plastic box?
So have a question. I have a Morgan that’s OBVIOUSLY fake. It’s double sided and in almost perfect condition, by double I mean the Morgan face is on both side of the coin. Why in the world would they make this coin so obviously fake? I mean, it looks exactly like an original coin but double sided. I didn’t buy though, my parents randomly gave it to me.
It's most likely a gimmicked coin used for a magic trick. You can find double headed and double tailed coins at magic shops.
hi i have a morgan dollar from 1880 my dad got it from some one it has a o mint mark and its a mint state condition i did some testes it past all of them but the only thing i saw was a small very small m under morgans neck is that normal or not. please let me know thanks
Yes it is normals as that is the designers initials. That's why they call it a Morgan Silver Dollar, not because the lady in it is named Morgan, it's Miss Liberty. The designer was Morgan hence getting the name.
And the O on the reverse signifies that it is minted in New Orleans.
I have this coins but it’s 22.2 grams How I can test this real or fake
The flea market seller knew he was selling you a fake, that's why he only charged you face value. If it was a real Carson City he would have sold it for much more, dealers know the value of coins, that's their business to know. He still did you dirty in selling it to you though.
The fake one sounded like an Ike dollar lol
why did you point the fake dollar fast so we could move on
They would be smart to use real 90% silver to make those CC fakes. They still would make a lot of money and it would be much harder to spot them. Hey, maybe they already do, and we just don't know.
What do u mean u paid face value? Maybe I heard wrong but I'm figuring u definitely didnt get the morgans for $1 each
What if i can see it says copy on the back under the eagle
More than likely that dealer knew that CC was a fake, or they are just completely clueless.... If he knew what melt value was I'm guessing he knew.
the Chinese coins made today, .. they no longer stick to magnets that were the old deal now they are the same weight they don't attract to magnets and lower value mintage is also made the only way to identify is an acid test also 2 identical coins with absolute identical wear is a clue
There’s a few ways checking one against a real piece is a good way 90% silver fakes exist and the acid test would be useless against those but checking against a real would reveal its more than likely a poor strike compared to a real one
Thanks Max! Lookout for the fakes.
The seller knew.
I've got one dollar coin
pluribus unum
United states of America
1886
1885
1888
O
Steel
Is it fake or real
I don't understand why they wouldn't make them out of silver if there rare dates . Since visual quality is good .?
Good video. I wrote it all down. Thanks.
too Slow....
Good information Thanks
my issuse is a fake morgan that isnt made of steel i can feel the weight of the coin is different to my other 1921 morgan dollar... what too do to be honest
dave mabye its copper ?
Does anybody know if amazon sales fake stuff?
Thanks 4 the posting!
I was looking for details in the coin itself to spot a fake.
I have three of this coins year 1894
report it to secret service.
So i recently got a 1921 morgan dollar coin and it weighed 38.5 grams but wasn't magnetic. Is this fake?
100% fake -should be 26.7 g
Thank u
fascinating
Bee Mayes
i liked the video. but you should weight the coin to.
Fake is get the magnet
I spotted the fake! lol
thank you for the education. probably could be helpful to have the camera in tripod to allow less movement and easier focus of the images.
I purposefully purchased a lot of 20 fake Miao morgans. Year 1883 so very common. No mint mark - so not San Fran or Carson city. The weight is on spot. The dimensions are on spot. The drop test sound is on spot. They pass the magnet test. The lot on ebay cost me 30 dollars with free shipping. The day I purchased mine, approximately 3-5 hundred other miao morgans and similar coins were sold in roughly the same price range. miao silver is an alloy of silver, copper and nickel so they may also pass the Stannic Acid test. Everyone's only hope is that with the Stannic Acid test, the fakes give you a green versus brown result. I will check this out myself . Either way, the majority of people do not walk around with a dropper bottle of Stannic Acid. Happy coin collecting.
that theres an honest seller some were in the us that he have fake coins but dont sell them
I have one real silver coin dollar MORGAN "O"
Nice any in my videos fake? I got about 100 Morgan’s
annoying autofocus not working
عندي دولار مورغان فضه للبيع تاريخ 1921 انا في تركيا
We have 3 coins thats
My 1885 Morgan dollar weighs 26.5 grams it's real right?
ObLiViOn yes if it’s worn a bit but if it’s in pretty good to perfect condition I would test it
I, have 1884
Hold the camera still