Every Error in Game of Thrones Season 5
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Season 5 is often well regarded, but upon closer inspection, it's questionable whether it deserves the praise.
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00:35 Episode 1
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05:33 Episode 4
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Glad so many of you liked the video!
Stopping or breaking a wheel is not the same thing.
@@MrMiljan407 What would you say is the big difference? What was Daenerys going to do that is so revolutionizingly different?
Stopped easily continues on, while broken stops forever.
@@MrMiljan407 Right, but how does that translate into what Daenerys was going to do, like practically speaking?
It’s now my favorite show to hate watch lol I really try to enjoy it but I hear your points in the back of my mind and I’m like you know he’s right 😆
Only issue: Breaking the Wheel and Stopping it are two very different things. A stopped wheel can turn once again, while a broken one may never do so.
Poeticaly maybe - but where in all of Dany's actions does she get remotely close to this idealistic outcome? Considering she's replaced almost immediately by a new monarch.
Bruh
You ain't wrong
I wonder if he thought she meant Braking instead of breaking…
i was thinking that too.... this ep of "everything wrong" really wasnt on its best leg
Sansa picking a lock with a cork screw is my highlight of the season.
hahah its all such nonsense
sahnsa is the smartest person arya knows, so...
Hey where there's a will there's a way
In all fairness still one of the more realistic things
@@zer0953 it's been a while, did she actually say that??
Episode 6, J’aqen slapped Arya because she WASN’T sincere in hating Clegane. She lied as she no longer truly hates him and J’aqen caught her lie. I thought that was made clear. Great video!
Thanks! Glad you liked it :)
You're right that she didn't hate the Hound, of course, but did she realize that herself at that moment? She insists that she hates him, because she believes it to be true, even though it's not the absolute truth. What better way to lie than believing it to be true?
My issue is that Jaquen is able to detect the absolute truth despite this.
What do you think about that?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 imo she is aware that she doesn't hate clegane anymore, she just can't verbalize it, maybe cause this would feel like forgiving him for all he has done
@@juno_crystal I see. Well in that case I guess we just interpret it differently :)
She is trying to deny it. She wants to believe that she hates clegane but the truth is she doesn’t. And Jaqen probably sensed the contradiction between what she wants to believe and what she really believed.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 do you ever admit you're wrong?
The end of Stannis' arc was absolutely anti-climactic. The whole thing was a blatant character assassination. His army being stuck in the snow, the *20 good men* raid, and his sacrificing of Shireen were all rushed. The snowstorm wasn't that bad and The Mannis has survived worse. Ramsay practically has plot armor with him being able to burn Stannis' camp with only 20 men and his eventual defeat of Stannis, it feels like D&D are rooting for Ramsay to beat Stannis. It was very tragic how we didn't get The North Remembers or Stannis' victory against The Ironborn at Deepwood Motte.
100%. Stannis was so well written and well acted all the way too. One of the biggest injustices next to Jaime's arc.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 They did Jaime a major disservice by injecting him into The Dorne Plot, so they ruined two arcs simultaneously. We don't get any of the sympathetic character development from A Feast For Crows.
@@gfilmer7150 I feel like they did capture a bit of that when he took back Riverrun in S6, and when he offers Olenna poison instead of something brutal, and when he goes to fight for the living against the WWs, but hooking up with Brienne and then going back to Cersei cancels all that out. It's painfully bad.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Jaime was by far the shining beacon of Season 7. His arc was amazing and then D&D massacred my boy halfway through Season 8. To add insult to injury, he says he cared for the innocent even though that’s the reason why he beat up Meryn Frey and killed The Mad King in his youth.
@@gfilmer7150 In the Books Stannis is about to replay his last greatest tactical victory by trapping the Freys between the frozen lakes, just like how he trapped Victarion Greyjoy’s fleet, it’s highly likely he will defeat the freys at Crofters village, He has the Mormonts and Glovers with his army, half of the Umber’s and the northern mountain clans, also made a deal with the Iron Bank, 20,000 sell swords.
In the Show he gets destroyed by a blizzard and 20 good men...
I’m pretty sure Brienne meant for Podrick to steal another horse and not find a wild one lol.
Stannis walking and then turning around was really weird though.
the most stupid thing of season 5 is how they ruined Littlefinger character. He is just genius in the books, and the way he just gave sansa to Boltons in the show is just... ugh
And then he's all, "bUt i LuVs hEr". 🙄
I didn’t understand that move at the time I was watching. Why would he give away his leverage? Sansa was basically his ticket to rulling the North, as he was already the de facto ruler of the Vale, and his stablished goal since the beginning was to become king. Also, Sansa knew he killed her aunt. I didn’t read the books, so I thought I was missing something, later I understood it was just bad writing.
@@myaccount4699In the book, Ramsay Bolton marries a girl named Jeyne Poole (Sansa’s friend at Winterfell who’s mentioned a few times in season 1) but they tell everyone she’s Arya Stark and the only one who recognizes it isn’t actually Arya is Theon (Reek by then). Little Finger’s plan is to give both the Vale and Winterfell to Sansa by keeping her identity secret until the perfect moment. The fact he gives Sansa to the Boltons makes no sense besides D&D not having to hire someone who looks kinda like Arya to play Jeyne Poole
@@kylesutcliffe9468 why spoil it bit?
@@myaccount4699I wouldn’t call him the de facto ruler of the vale, but that’s why he needed Sansa, she was the key to him becoming the de facto ruler of the vale which then opened the doors to winterfell.
The biggest mystery of season 5 is where did the Bolton hounds disappear to while chasing Sansa and Theon. We should all be concerned about these interdimensional hounds roaming around Westeros
They started teleporting before it was cool. Those darn hipster-hounds.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 those hounds are ahead of the curb.
They teleported to Dark Souls 3
I wouldn't worry about it
Season 6*
The seeds of GOT's inevitable downfall were planted in S5. A Storm of Swords was adapted in two seasons cause was huge and worked. A Feast for Crows & A Dance Of Dragons were essentially one book divided in two parts and their storylines were butcherely adapted in one season. This is what Martin meant when he said the show suddenly stopped following his template.
Straying too far form souce is always gonna bite you in the ass I guess.
I think GRRM really tried to work with them and give them a chance and they wanted to sell out and rush an inferior product. S1, 2, and 3 were amazing, then S4 was really good, season 5 slightly less good, S6 had some cool moments, then S7 and 8 were like a cheap parody knockoff of the once brilliant show.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 It's really obvious that the show starts to degrade in quality as soon as they deviate from this alleged template w/ season 5.
Downfall started in season 4. There were already cracks in the dialogue.
Wait, so Theon throws someone from a great height and they die, and right after both him and Sansa throw themselves the same height and are just fine?
Plot armor babeeeey
Didn't they land in a snow drift? I know in the real world that would still be enough to break bones, but.... yeah.
@@AmyEugene in the books the same scene happens (with a different character) and Theon lands on her and breaks her ribs.
In the books Miranda does not exist and Theon along with Jeyne Poole (impersonating Arya, Sansa is not at Winterfell at all) jump onto a huge mound of fresh snow, set up by the fierce blizzard going on for days at that point
I always assumed they jumped in the water. What water? I don't know.
Some opinions I agree with, others I don't but no point arguing those. My thoughts on a few points:
3:09 Bronn goes along because Jaime takes everything he's earned away from him.
7:03 I read this as Arya not actually hating The Hound despite her saying she does.
8:44 Arya speaking common might make sense as it's a port city with lots of foreign merchants. Presumably it's called "common" because it's used by most people.
8:53 Daenerys says "Lannister, Targaryen, Baratheon, Stark, Tyrell: they're all just spokes on a wheel. This one's on top, then that one's on top, and on and on it spins, crushing those on the ground". I believe stopping/breaking the wheel isn't about stopping is crushing those on the ground, it's about stopping with the 'correct' ruler at the top. Either way, a wheel that is stopped can move again. A wheel that is broken cannot.
11:00 old locks are pretty simple, any piece of metal could open them. Sansa knows Winterfell, she's probably done this before.
13:50 When asked how long "The Long Farewell" takes to take effect, Qyburn says "Difficult to say. Hours, days, it depends on the subject's constitution." Bronn suddenly sucumbs to it when he becomes aroused which suggests to me that something like the heart beating faster might set it off. Myrcella has an emotional moment with Jaime which could have caused it to take effect. I don't think we know how long Ellaria has it on her lips before removing it but her constitution is probably stronger, she may have built up a tolerance to it and she remains calm.
As for Jaqen/The Waif, I'm not convinced they're always the same people behind those faces.
Right on! Thanks for taking the time. The only one I'm inclined to agree with is The Long Farewell. That does make complete sense.
Yeah there are some “CinemaSins” choices (actually not because they often fake ignorance or flat out alter/omit scenes) but always interesting to see perspectives
The Hound/lying one was pretty obvious, surprised this channel even counted that as a mistake. Jaqen even says Arya’s lying to herself.
The problem with the "breaking the wheel" thing is that the writers have her say that and have that be her goal but they never bother to actually explore what the fuck that means in practice to her.
Presumably it means establishing some sort of truly absolute monarchy which is more centralized (like maybe with a standing, royal army) and where she has absolute power so no house is capable of ever capable of challenging the ruler again but... that's just inference. The writers never both to go about laying out what it means and that by itself is bad writing deserving of a spot here, imo.
Old locks, while simpler than modern, was sturdy, and there is no mechanical way to open it with a corcscrew
The snow kinda forgot that it melted.
Aria didn't hate the Hound, that's why she was slapped. She cared for the Hound even if she didn't know it, jaquen Hagar knew
How did he know?
How can he slap?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 he just knows, some kind of many faced majik I guess
There's also the fact that the Kingsguard was sworn to protect Margaery as well, they didn't need to wait for Tommen's order. She also could have ordered them to protect her herself. So the Faith never should have been able to take her.
2:00
Bro she's telling him to steal some, come on. Some of these complains are you just not using your brain.
Still stupid and totally out of Brienne's character
Yeah I like these videos as like 95% of the time they’re right but sometimes there is some stupid shit like this that flies over his head.
And that's not easy either. If not people would steal horses like mud
I think Arya was a bit conflicted about her feelings towards Sandor. I guess after all that time they spent together he kind of grew on her.
Exactly. She didn't hate him.
Definitely, but when she said that she hated him, she meant it. If Jaquen can see through that, then he's not detecting lies, he's seeing absolute truths, which is more of a superpower than a skill.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 fair point, but detecting lies the way he does is also a superpower lol
@@youtub-fj8mu bottom line is it was poorly portrayed, I think. They could've let Arya get away with details, little by little to show her progress in becoming a better liar.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 just because you say something emphatically, doesn't mean it is true or you believe it.
I love you for the poison reference to the Emperor's New Groove
I’m glad you noticed! My all time favorite Disney film.
If you stop the wheel it can start back up again but if you break it, it can't be started back up again because there's no wheel.
Right, that much is clear, but what was her plan in practice? What would she actaully do differently from previous rulers? :O
@@CultureVultureMedia1 burn them all!
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Free the people! That's what she tells herself all the time. Are you watching the show drunk?
That she firmly believes that she is unlike any other highborn ruler, that she is chosen to do everything better, but has no plan for how to do that, is the whole joke of her character.
Whilst i agree about a lot of errors in the later seasons, I think you are falling for the cinema sins trap a little - a written character flaw (e.g hubris, over confidence etc) does NOT make it a writing error. A lot of these "errors" are character flaws not writing ones
But some of the character flaws can be caused by crappy writing and are inconsistent with the entire character arc
Exactly. Ive only just started watching the vid(ep 2) and hes critisizing arya for throwing the coin away? Thats a character flaw. Thats arya not believing the coins powers after it appeared to fail her( in her mind). This dude seems to be writing and presenting a lot of nonsense for views
@@niranjanrajesh1058 More than that, why shouldn't she throw the coin away. It's only worth was, that every man from Bravos would take her to the house of black and white. Once she arrived there, it served its purpose.
It's like a concert ticket. You might keep it after the show for sentimental reasons. But, if you throw it away, after you passed the security, you're just fine.
Jesus by the time you get to season 8 the video is gonna have to be 3 hours 😭😭😭😭
25 to be precise! Already on the channel since a long way back :P
@@CultureVultureMedia1 time for a binge then
After everything they went through together i believe its safe to say that arya was clearly lying to herself when she said she hates the Hound
Right? I've seen people say 'but she was telling thr truth' when obviously the point of the scene was to show that she didn't hate the hound
Only watch season 1-4. Pretend season 5-8 never happened
I remember when Season 5 came out I was nervous because I heard they were abandoning the books, but I watched with hope anyway and... the first major red flag was when Barristan died, the whole scene was rushed and predictable. Then it was the Sand Snakes, those goddamn Sand Snakes... then it was Stannis doing a character 180 and burning Shireen, which honestly very nearly made me completely abandon the show.
Season 6 felt like a slight improvement, but I still couldn’t get the bad taste out of my mouth, and 6 still had issues of its own. Then 7 and 8 happened and... the show is dead lol
i just finished the episode where barristan died and i’m taking a break. everyone i know told me the show doesn’t get bad until season 8 (and some said season 7) but this season has felt so off to me and barristan randomly dying is the icing on the cake.
Barristan was a gouty grandfather who dandered around town without armor. As a consultant he was completely useless anyway. His only good deed was dying in time for Dany to realize she needed more decent advisors.
Stannis would always end up the way he did. Read the books again!
I would argue that Jorah & Daario finding Dany’s ring in the Dothraki sea is the most absurdly impossible! 😹
It is, and I would have included it, but to be fair, it's not an inherrent inconsistency.
Oh, come on- the Brienne ‘ducks into the bushes & comes back out’ was absolutely a highlight!
It's definitely up there with her breaking a log with a sharp sword.
Stannis was my favorite character. It sucks what D and D did to him. Book Stannis would've died for his little princess. I guess GRRM is so heartbroken over the series he will never finish the books.
Or he is committed to restore the reputation of GoT.
Book Stannis kills her, too. George isn't heartbroken. He's partying and doesn't feel the need to finish the books. Maybe in part due to his "fans" whining and polluting the internet the way you just did.
@@christiangwenner6384 Exactly. Just posted a lengthy comment on another video about how as much as D&D, and HBO, and even GRRM himself all bear guilt for how things swirled the commode, it was FANS who killed GoT, because they 1) LOVED the show so much that they never held the show runners' feet to the fire, even when tons of shite had already drowned the fan; 2) INSISTED...across social media but primarily here on YT...ON ATTEMPTING TO GUESS THE PLOT, not only from one episode to the next, but one season to the next (GRRM said this effectively killed his desire to finish the series since nearly all of his plot threads had been exhaustively bandied about online); and 3) SPEWING INFANTILE FAN SERVICE WISH LISTS all across social media and YT, resulting in the farcical Clegane Bowl and other absurdist nonsense.
HBO should have given D&D walking papers after season 4, especially since Dumb & Dumber said publicly that the only reason they wanted to film GoT was so they could shoot the Red Wedding. They immediately lost interest after that, and it showed. GRRM wanted more seasons, the fans wanted more seasons, and HBO sure as hell should have wanted more seasons (GoT was easily the company's hugest ever money-printing machine), but they allowed the selfishness of D&D to run the show into an early and ignominious grave. A well-deserved pox on EVERYONE'S house.
Love these! Can't wait to have the big compilation of all 8 seasons to go through with my friends, haha
The rewatch value we deserve.
I like to think that at the end on season 4 the show got cancelled and the rest was fan made, gotta comfort myself somehow.
Season 5 was alright, my first time watching it I don't remember thinking it was much different. Season 6 is when I noticed a marked change.
Season 05 was very boring, Season 06 was far better but tbh everything after Season 04 is meh, gets worse in Season 07 and 08 is the worst.
@@A7XKoRnRocks1 pretty much this. 5 was boring but ok for the most part, 6 had more interesting plots but terrible characters already, and 7 just lost it.
If you only stop the wheel, it can start to move again, if you break the wheel, you're dismantling the whole system.
Exactly, but what does that mean, practically speaking?
Like, what does she intend to actually do? It's a metaphor, but for what policies or actions?
Does she want to instill democracy? Clearly not. Taking over the world? Well that's certainly just more of the same, no?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 A lot of other people gave you really good replies to this question already. I agree with them.
Small confession: I didn't really mind the "hiding in the crypt" part in The Long Night on paper and in a vacuum, mainly because the Stark corpses are sealed in stone tombs
However, Jon already saw the wights King Crimson through hardened wood in Hardholme, so they had no excuse at this point
Also, human bodies can't flow like tsunamis, so a well-organized shield wall would've actually held against wights if they followed the laws of physics - this is still worse than hiding behind the actual castle walls and setting the moat on fire + scattering dragonglass caltrops, and the actual formation in the show only had 1/5th of the frontliners use shields, and 1/10th use shields big enough to cover themselves fully
Very good points.
@Anjelica Snorcket yeap, there's that too, which is a fair point
Although to be also fair, Hardholme proved that there were at least 50 that could King Crimson through hardened wood, so Jon or the wildlings should've remembered that considering it was what led to Hardholme getting overrun
@Anjelica Snorcket but then you wing it so hard that any other army with brain cells could immediately cut you off from your own castle, destroy your siege weaponry, and even break your formation without much effort xD
@Anjelica Snorcket the Battle of Castle Black though
Ughhhh face dispenser...who came up with those shennanigans
I still can’t believe they gave us the masterpiece of hardhomme having Jon snow kill a white walker and the night king staring him down. Then later Jon screams at a ice dragon while arya kills the night king. Like wat lol
Just a detail, but Valyrian steel (at least in the books) is stated to be very powerful and magical and it is specifically said it can indeed cut through armor.
The Breaking of the Wheel ideology has two definitions:
1. In Daenery's mind, she envisions the wheel as the infighting between the different noble houses for the throne, which she will put an end, by establishing enternal, unchallenged Targaryen rule.
2. Rulership is the duty of a competent leader, NOT a birth right.
Strange then how she, in S7, was so against talking about her plan for succession. Lazy writing at it's finest.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Intentionality doesn't always come with proper execution.
@@constantinetranos2225 Yeah, but what's the intention then? I feel like you're dodging the question, haha :P
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I explain my intention in my first comment. A lot of decisions actually have an interesting blueprint in the final seasons which comes from the outlines Martin gave them, however they did a pure job at fleshing out those blueprints.
@@constantinetranos2225 I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing anymore. Perhaps I was unclear when I expressed my confusion about what Daenerys meant about breaking the wheel.
I only meant to say that it doesn't seem like Dany intends to break the wheel at all, but simply put herself on top of it.
Couple questions:
- What is the definition of stopping the wheel?
- What is the definition of breaking the wheel?
- What is Dany's plan of action in order to accomplish the breaking of the wheel?
George RR Martin has said in an interview that because some people have read the books and some didn't, but DD wanted to appeal to both (and contain suspense) they changed many things, however that leads to problems in the end since the books were foreshadowing something which was later changed in the series. Which is why I believe the show's overall quality went down season by season.
Except it didn't. You just have to change details when adapting something to a different medium. Don't worry about George. He knows. You don't.
Every error in season 5 = they did not follow the fucking BOOKS !!!
For me the show died with Season 4, Season 5 only confirmed it was dead. -
In season 4 I hated the whole Nightking-thing, and my favourite wildlings, the Thenns, were ruined, and though that was just a little change, both were already boding ill for the northern plotline. Bloodraven was underwhelming, too. And at the end it badly lacked Jaime's most important Tysha-Confression that made Tyrion make the detour on his flight to kill his father in the first place. It was visible already at that point they had stopped taking care about making sense.
That was perhaps the stupidest change they made. Seeing as they pushed the dialogue to be more dramatic for the sake of it in later seasons, why not keep the Tysha-twist as it was?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Maybe because it would require screen time to introduce a new offscreen character (that's already dead thus the audience isn't gonna start caring right away) and more scenes to show us in a believable way that Tyrion cared about her, if they try doing that in one scene - I believe it will feel contrived thus fake and unnecessary, a bit like the "Tyrion/Jon : I love Daenarys" thing. Besides, they have to have some sort of payoff for the death of Joffrey's whole situation so they used Tyrion kills Tywin.
@@praetorian3902 The Tysha plot was already introduced in S2 tho. I think the writers probably realized Tyrions popularity and wanted to keep him a "good guy" and the Tysha revelation is what really starts his downward spiral in the books.
I know I'm a bit late here but, where did melisandre get the horse to leave Stannis' camp? The guard had just told him all the sell swords had left with all the horses.
Haha, good point. I would think that high-ranking people have their own personal horses, with the accompanying squires though, which would explain why her horse in particular was left alone. On the other hand, we never see any such squires...
Anyway, that begs the question, what happened to Stannis' horse? That ought to be the most well-protected horse of all, but Stannis walks into battle on foot...
Perhaps it dies from the cold. Guess we'll never know!
Definitely could have added that, thanks :D
You stretch a lot of these 'errors' to pad out your run time. You're bang on about most, but Arya getting hit for saying she hates the Hound is just a way to show us that she doesn't really hate him, even if she thinks she does.
Have to quibble about Jaquen hitting Arya when she says she hates the Hound. In the books, there's a point where Sandor Clegane sort of stops being on the list of names she recites every night. She's kind of over him.
I feel like some of these are credible, most are a massive stretch, and some just outright aren't correct
Jaime and Bronn's trip to Dorne (especially them wearing soldier disguises) was so stupid it was like Monty Python and the Holy Grail type schtick.
I think at this point, there is a lot of "cherry- picking" of so called misstakes when they really are just bad explained like for example
the voting scene at the night watch. I think its not that unusual for those kind of groups to have certain wired traditions.
That's how it is. The further back you go with GoT the better the seasons get. So S8 is easy to hate, S7 is still easy to poke holes in and hate, S6 is ok for the most part, maybe a few nit picks here and there
@@AverageAlien Uhhhh, no! S6 and S5 were HORRIBLE!!!
@@turrican4d599 yeah, after rewatching those, they're awful
@@AverageAlienno they're not. They aren't the first four seasons, but not S8 either. They're good enough.
Arya didn't hate sandor though. She put him on her list before their time together. Whipping her for lying that she did hate him made perfect sense.
I know she doesn't hate him, but how does Jaqen know??
He had only Arya's sincere face to go on. She doesn't even realize she's lying herself, so how does he?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 how does Jaqen know anything he asked her?
@@xxamylgrantxx It's quite simple.
When a person knows their lying, it's hard to conceil it. Arya was not doing a good enough job of that *when she knew* she was lying.
On the topic of the Hound though, Arya was being sincere, so not lying, but Jaqen detects a lie which is not there.
It is possible to say something untrue whilst not lying if you think what you say is the truth. That was the case with Arya.
This was the greatest show I had ever seen. Out of everything D&D did, the worst thing was turning the greatest character in all of TV history (IMO) Tyrion Lannister, into an idiot.
The the first 6 seasons, I thought, "If GGRM kills Tyrion, I'm gonna lose my shit", to me thinking in the last series, "Meh...." and "Shut up, Jon!"
Indeed. I don't think of all the major characters, Jorah is about the only one that wasn't buthered by the end x)
I think their mistake was that they wanted to keep him a "good guy" and didn't want to explore his darker side like in the books. I think the omission of the Tysha revelation was really the shot in the heart for his character.
SWEET! Now do seasons 6, 7 and 8...
In the works my friend!
If you turned it into a drinking game, you’d die of alcohol poisoning before season 5 finished!
@@OcarinaSapphr- This is a good idea. Might have to steal that haha
08:56 I mean, no. Stopping it would mean it could start again, breaking it would keep it from starting again
breaking the urn for the vote makes sense because it shows everyone that the urn is empty and that all votes ended up beeing counted, I do agree that its a bit of a waste tho especially for people living in such a rural area away from most trader or craftsmen that could replace a vase if u ever ran out
Arya WAS lying about hating the Hound. She was in denial about bonding with him while they traveled & admits later when she played again that she had taken him off her list & did & DIDN'T want him dead. That's why Jaquen said she's lying to herself.
Yeah, but how did Jaquen know? From looking at her sincere face?
Jorah did a fantastic dark souls move of rolling to kill the boss 😂
So glad i found your channel. These vids are great
You probably hurt Brans legs, stretching so much on some of these. 😂
Many of the stated points are not mistakes. 😂😂
Care to give an example? ;)
Good work man!
7:03 - I think this was intentional, as she at this point in the story does not truly hate him anymore.
Of course, but she doesn't know it. She still thinks she hates him, but that's obviously not the problem.
How can Jaqen spot a lie if the subject is convinced they're telling the truth?
While there are certainly many errors in GOT, differences from the books, bad tactical decisions in war/fighting scenes, I feel this video on season 5 is mostly nitpicking and some may not make sense to you but do to others...but as always I like watching GOT stuff so I watched it anyway! :)
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Did anyone think that the big guy who frees Tyrion at 8:31 was going to be Strong Belwas, or even just a shout out to him? I was sad that he never made it into the show.
Indeed. I can see the omission though. Jorah, Barristan and Daario to some extent sort of fill that role in the show. Lots of dudes by her side in the books, especially with the Meerenese nobles...
@@CultureVultureMedia1 true - I suppose I just wanted more of everything in the absence of new book material 😭
@@jac1111 D&D: "Can we interest you in Briaime, Bran not doing shit this whole time, Arya never using her faces, season 7, Aegon Targaryen or some bad pussy?"
@@CultureVultureMedia1 😭😭 #triggered
The worst thing about S5 was what Mannis Baratheon did to Shireen like bruh, the guy is best known for eating rats in besieged Storms End, Stannis would never burn his daughter alive to avoid food shortages and poor weather conditions
Exactly. They don't call him Mannis for nothing, man loves his daughter to bits, next to Sir Onion. Smh.
That Cuzco reference had me choking 😂
I found season 5 boring as hell, I only liked episodes 8,9 and 10. I wasn't even a book reader yet when this season came out but I understood why book fans were complaining. I started reading the books while waiting for season 8 to air.
Most of this Season is pretty much filler
@@gfilmer7150 agreed
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Not to sound like a book purist, but if we got the plot lines and beats from AFFC and ADWD, maybe season would've been less boring
@@gfilmer7150 These fillers are the backbone of GoT. If you just want to watch some action popcorn cinema, there's plenty around. The first half of season 5 was peak GoT.
@@christiangwenner6384 Oh wow, strawmaning my argument with the action addiction crowd. The character building scenes in Season 5 don’t build any character, it just wastes so much time. No Jon becoming cruel, no Dany becoming cruel, especially no Tyrion becoming cruel, nothing of note happening with Arya, none of The Northern Politics, and Dorne is so bad it’s baffling.
Most of these are INCREDIBLY knit picky and you can find in ANY show you watch on tv. Even good shows. But yes 5 out was the beginning of the end.
I'm loving these error videos
One could argue that the common tongue being spoken around the harbour in Braavos makes some sense. Perhaps it's the international language of the sea, like English in our world. Arya definitely should have learned Braavosi and everyone around write have also known it, but I can believe that The Thin Man and other regulars in that area would be fluent in the language of Westeros
Another one: Stannis sends Davos to Castle Black so he can get more help to aid Stanis' war, but we just see Davos get sidetrack by the drama happening in Castle Black, with Jon's death and all, while his commander which he was utterly loyal to ask him for his urgent help in a live-and-die battle with clearly running out resources, and instead of getting that help and returning to him, he is still there battling the traitors in Castle Black as his commander and all his army were defeated. He does not even ask any news from Stannis or seem concerned?
Oh yeah shoot I never thought about that! That's actually the worst haha!
I'm a mite confused as to how the valyrian steel sword cutting through things is an "error". Valyrian steel is hella sharp and extremely hard. It cutting a log and another sword is consistent with everything else we know about it.
Now, it being "recently sharpened"? That is definitely an error as Valyrian Steel doesn't need to be sharpened.
@LUNARIS it is, it was given to her by Jaime, one of the two swords forged with Ice’s metal. Forgot the name, oathkeeper or widows wail, can’t remember
@@alessandrocejwokkkk Oathkeeper, named because she was essentially using it to keep the oaths both her and Jaime swore to Catelyn.
I believe the difference between "stopping the wheel" and "breaking the wheel" is that a broken wheel cannot start turning again - stopping it is potentially only temporary.
Also, the whole thing about Arya speaking Common seems to just be a matter of convenience for the sake of the audience. It's one thing to have a few characters say a few lines in a fantasy language for a few scenes - quite another to have a main character require subtitles for a majority of the season.
Doran was a prince in title but a King in current American slang. In one afternoon, after having a covert rescue operation by a rival family sprung on him and learning of a murder plot against the innocent member of that powerful rival family under his care (who was also his potential daughter in law) coming from his own extended family, he struck a deal that would avoid any casualties, mend fences with their powerful, royal rivals, connect his house to theirs by marriage, and gain them a seat on the king’s small council. He turned an inter-kingdom incident into a beneficial treaty and a legitimately more peaceful relationship with the family that had been by far the most malignant to and hated by his family/nation during his lifetime and had become the most powerful family in the realm. And as a bonus, their second most competent strategist recently murdered their most competent strategist (who was also the most powerful man on the continent, singlehandedly earning them the power that his children were very liable to fumble) and fucked off across the sea, putting the martells in an exceptional position to gradually seize political power with this deal.
But then fucking Ellaria and the fucking sandsnakes just had to fuck it all up
4:55 switching back and forth from Season 5 King's Landing and Season 2 King's Landing really shows you how much life they sucked out of the picture
If memory serves, that first scene mentioned for episode one starts with Jon kneeling to Stannis atop the wall, in blatant contradiction of Season 4 Jon's refusal to kneel.
God Arya’s whole braavos arc is easily top 3 worst for me. Absolutely horrible to slog through knowing it barely has a payoff
I actually don't dislike Dany's comment to Missandei, and thought it made sense. Missandei's a former slave, and *would* know who would suffer the most if Dany's rule/reign/conquest fails; the former slaves.
Yes but victimhood does not equal expertise. A mistake the writers doubled down on hard (same with Sansa).
But Arya didn't hate sandor, she came to respect him after he looked after her. It's why she didn't kill him when she could. It's why she cleaned his wounds.
Twenty? TWENTY? Sold!
mans never hosted an auctiom b4 its his first time be gentle
The idea of Brien's valeryen sword breaking other swords in pieces when striking and piercing armor does make sense. Its always said that valeryan steel is the best steel in the whole world of GOT. So roasting it isn't fair. I can stand behind that but the rest of the season really starts going downhill.
The worst thing about season 5 was, until watching this video, I honestly forgot what happened in it.
Its heavily implied that Jaqen strikes Arya when she says she hates The Hound because she doesnt actually hate him and might feel regret about leaving him to die
It's clear she meant go steal more horses
Right, and why would that be possible? People pay the inn to look after their horses, so what do you mean? Haha :)
I understand what they meant, I just disagree on whether it's a realistic plan.
Just to clarify, are you stating that a Valyrian steel sword _shouldn't_ be able to break through a log?
I guess I could have made myself more clear. It should *cut* the log, not break it.
And also WHO would use a sword to cut a post that has horses' bridles tied? They are not loosely tied, or the horse could get away on its own. Cutting the post just leaves horses tied to a broken post *facepalm* horses are not smart enough to "shimmy" their tied bridles to the sliced end and then get away. Uggghhhhh
The untertitles at 6:00 say „Sam superseeds Brienne…“, which probably still would make more sense than the last 3-4 seasons
I think Briane (sorry def butchered) is telling Pod to steal some
I guess horses grow on trees in the Riverlands!
You can buy horses at the inn's in the books
Good point!
Arya is struck for saying she hates rhe Hound because she's lieing to herself, when she's actually greatful for what he did for her.
Yeah, that much is obvious, buu only because we know that through context.
Jaqen has only her face to go by, and in that moment, she is being sincere.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 i believe he can see a person's true self, not just their face
I happened to have closed captions on and saw this slipped in, 15:28 I died lol
Season 4 was already the point of no return. Butchering Jaime and Tyrion meant that this was the only logical next step. The worst thing this season did was start to truly fuck over Jon by making him a complete cretin.
Some good points, sure, but A LOT of these is criticizing characters for being less than rational, ambivalent, duplicitous, as humans are, and not in contradiction with their personality. So, do you mean in-universe Tactical Errors, or "Writing" errors?
Like, I can totally see Arya as a spoiled brat who never had to worry about wealth or common sense in her life. She's AMBIVALENT about The Hound, after having been rescued by him, which is why, indeed, she gets slapped after claiming to hate him. So the waif is not a perfect avatar of her clerical order's values. Surprise, no clerics are. Daennerys making decisions on spurious and irrational criteria? I'm shocked. The Boltons did not admit to not seeing Stannis's body. They admitted to not seeing who delivered the death blow. Also, Stannis seemed like he was inspecting and strolling through the wall, not going anywhere in particular. Finally, the prophetic, mystic Red Priestess who speaks to flames and shit is in possession of knowledge she couldn't have gathered by natural means? Really?
Brienne king slaying was pretty strange
Pretty good video
Glad you enjoyed it
nice analysis
Glad you enjoyed it!
Some of these points are spot on and some of them are really subjective. Arya and the Hound thing, c'mon dude, they were traveling together! The poison thing isn't entirely implausible, Cersei walked through to meet with High Sparrow at a MAKE-A-WISH style camp. Those folk aren't gna just suddenly beat her up with HS hanging around. I guess critique is warranted but being hyper critical to the point of cynicism is a bit unfair especially when your critique has a lot of errors itself. Be careful about being critical and trying to ruin the show. It was a great show and could have been greater with more attention to detail etc, yes, but still a great show
These are fair points. I suppose putting details like Cersei's visit up there amongst errors like Sansa picking locks with cork-screws isn't perfectly balanced. Errors nonetheless though, I'd say.
The Arya and the Hound-thing is strangely misunderstood by many viewers. It's not about her hating him or not, it's about Jaquen being able to detect a lie on the face of someone who thinks they're telling the truth.
i think mostly everything wrong with Bronn is due to the fact that in the Books Sir Ilyn Payne went to Dorne together with Jaime Lannister. There also Jaime talked with Payne about his relationship with Cersei and so on, because of the fact that Payne is mute. In the Show however Bronn accompanied Jaime, due to the fact that the actor of Ilyn Payne got cancer and so could not play him in season 4 and 5.
So i forgive the writers for these mistakes.
Jaime never went to dorne with Ilyn Payne in the books… in the books it’s a different kings guard that goes after dark star for cutting myrcellas face… Jaime went with Brienne in the riverlands because of stone heart
I just realized from rewatching the shows and watching all the vids on the internet, HOW THE HELL DID BRON (not calling him sir!) SURVIVE??? He even told tyrion that he would kill babies for the right price. Plus all the double dealing he did in the end just for self enrichment. He doesnt have a selfless bone in his body!
Him striking Arya
She was in fact not sincere she had started to care or Sandor
Some of these are good points some of them are nit picky and could be explained easily
I don’t understand the Valyrian steel point? It cut through a log and armour because it’s ultra sharp so what’s the issue?
12:14 she obviously didnt mean to shoot the arrow, but did it accidentally, because Theon pushed her.
Arya DOESNT hate the hound. Not anymore. THATS why Jaquen hit her. She grew to like Sandor during their time together.
Yes, that is the absolute truth, but when she says she hates him, she is sincere, so how can Jaquen detect a lie when she believes in what she says?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 No. when she says it, she no longer truly hates him. She developed a respect if not fondness for him. He protected her, threw himself in harms way and very nearly died for her. SHE DOESNT REALLY HATE HIM ANYMORE!
@@gregglesmigregglesmi3633 Yes, that's what we're both saying.
She does not hate him, but when she says that she hates him, she THINKS she means it, right? She even insists, so she really hasn't admittited it to herself yet.
And what better way to lie than to truly believe the words you say?
So if Jaquen detects that, it's not from seeing the lie on her face, but rather from knowing the absolute truth from elsewhere, no?
She wasn't lying- but it was not the truth.
everyone accepts the evidence against Loras because he has a birthmark on his body, without anyone acknowledging that any servant who helped dress him might know that and spread that
Especially because the guy literally squired for him... squires traditionally help them with armour and stuff.
The fact that none of the Tyrells even attempt to point out that there are lots of ways someone might know about a birthmark, just like "Okay guess we're screwed then".
Ep. 7 I don't think Ramsay knowing this was an error. Didn't Theon tell Ramsay about it? Wasn't that the whole thing he snitched about? Also if we pretend this is a Theon/Reek chapter in the books (I know it isn't as the plot has diverged from the books) it does show how Theon/Reek believes that Ramsay knows everything.
11:45
Look, i know its tough to get actors who can actually pull off the athletics, tougher still to find a "kind-of" attractive woman over 6 feet tall to pull off being a Knight...and this show, to it's credit, did indeed try.
But can you just spend 15 minutes with the woman prior to shooting that we can believe this goofy un-co can even hold a sword, let alone swing one.
The worst part is that they don't even show the sword connecting...there's literally no reason whatsoever to not get this take right, all they had to do was get this woman to swing the sword properly. Anyone who's ever played baseball or golf or softball or tennis or chopped wood, or picked rock are instantly filled with disbelief at just how uncoordinated and unathletic this supposed SuperWoman actually is.
I tolerated Brienne and her bad acting and overacting and rigidity up until a point. This was that point.
It's like the directors themselves have no clue what an athlete is supposed to look like.."yeah yeah, zoom in close, this looks awesome"
One of the worst shots/moments/narrative elements in the series...instead of showing it the way they did (the execution, the reasonability, the cut to black, the uncoordinated acting, the rushed writing and the fact that they chose THAT take as "the best one"..this was the moment in the show that I knew lazy acting and over used tropes and bad writing/execution was here to stay.
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@@angelromanflores2709 yeah, hard disagree on this. Brienne is totally believable, and the actress playing her is fine
maybe her rigidity makes her a bit one-dimensional, but that’s a consequence of her character, not the actress
I love Brienne as a character and I love the actress, but you could see she always seemed sluggish and unathletic. It’s when you remember that no matter how authentic and amazing their character is that they were still theater kids.
@@HauntedHarmonics you didnt read the books...
@@jeepersjava hahaha, sometimes i forget