Poeticaly maybe - but where in all of Dany's actions does she get remotely close to this idealistic outcome? Considering she's replaced almost immediately by a new monarch.
Episode 6, J’aqen slapped Arya because she WASN’T sincere in hating Clegane. She lied as she no longer truly hates him and J’aqen caught her lie. I thought that was made clear. Great video!
Thanks! Glad you liked it :) You're right that she didn't hate the Hound, of course, but did she realize that herself at that moment? She insists that she hates him, because she believes it to be true, even though it's not the absolute truth. What better way to lie than believing it to be true? My issue is that Jaquen is able to detect the absolute truth despite this. What do you think about that?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 imo she is aware that she doesn't hate clegane anymore, she just can't verbalize it, maybe cause this would feel like forgiving him for all he has done
She is trying to deny it. She wants to believe that she hates clegane but the truth is she doesn’t. And Jaqen probably sensed the contradiction between what she wants to believe and what she really believed.
The end of Stannis' arc was absolutely anti-climactic. The whole thing was a blatant character assassination. His army being stuck in the snow, the *20 good men* raid, and his sacrificing of Shireen were all rushed. The snowstorm wasn't that bad and The Mannis has survived worse. Ramsay practically has plot armor with him being able to burn Stannis' camp with only 20 men and his eventual defeat of Stannis, it feels like D&D are rooting for Ramsay to beat Stannis. It was very tragic how we didn't get The North Remembers or Stannis' victory against The Ironborn at Deepwood Motte.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 They did Jaime a major disservice by injecting him into The Dorne Plot, so they ruined two arcs simultaneously. We don't get any of the sympathetic character development from A Feast For Crows.
@@gfilmer7150 I feel like they did capture a bit of that when he took back Riverrun in S6, and when he offers Olenna poison instead of something brutal, and when he goes to fight for the living against the WWs, but hooking up with Brienne and then going back to Cersei cancels all that out. It's painfully bad.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Jaime was by far the shining beacon of Season 7. His arc was amazing and then D&D massacred my boy halfway through Season 8. To add insult to injury, he says he cared for the innocent even though that’s the reason why he beat up Meryn Frey and killed The Mad King in his youth.
@@gfilmer7150 In the Books Stannis is about to replay his last greatest tactical victory by trapping the Freys between the frozen lakes, just like how he trapped Victarion Greyjoy’s fleet, it’s highly likely he will defeat the freys at Crofters village, He has the Mormonts and Glovers with his army, half of the Umber’s and the northern mountain clans, also made a deal with the Iron Bank, 20,000 sell swords. In the Show he gets destroyed by a blizzard and 20 good men...
I’m pretty sure Brienne meant for Podrick to steal another horse and not find a wild one lol. Stannis walking and then turning around was really weird though.
@@pepepicapinto543 I don't know if that's an error necessarily as sometimes people can be dicks, especially in stressful situations, even if they're normally not like that.
I thought Stannis might've been walking with Jon just to talk to him, but he's characterized as believing himself a king that is above others, so it doesn't really make sense for him to follow Jon really.
the most stupid thing of season 5 is how they ruined Littlefinger character. He is just genius in the books, and the way he just gave sansa to Boltons in the show is just... ugh
I didn’t understand that move at the time I was watching. Why would he give away his leverage? Sansa was basically his ticket to rulling the North, as he was already the de facto ruler of the Vale, and his stablished goal since the beginning was to become king. Also, Sansa knew he killed her aunt. I didn’t read the books, so I thought I was missing something, later I understood it was just bad writing.
@@myaccount4699In the book, Ramsay Bolton marries a girl named Jeyne Poole (Sansa’s friend at Winterfell who’s mentioned a few times in season 1) but they tell everyone she’s Arya Stark and the only one who recognizes it isn’t actually Arya is Theon (Reek by then). Little Finger’s plan is to give both the Vale and Winterfell to Sansa by keeping her identity secret until the perfect moment. The fact he gives Sansa to the Boltons makes no sense besides D&D not having to hire someone who looks kinda like Arya to play Jeyne Poole
@@myaccount4699I wouldn’t call him the de facto ruler of the vale, but that’s why he needed Sansa, she was the key to him becoming the de facto ruler of the vale which then opened the doors to winterfell.
The biggest mystery of season 5 is where did the Bolton hounds disappear to while chasing Sansa and Theon. We should all be concerned about these interdimensional hounds roaming around Westeros
Some opinions I agree with, others I don't but no point arguing those. My thoughts on a few points: 3:09 Bronn goes along because Jaime takes everything he's earned away from him. 7:03 I read this as Arya not actually hating The Hound despite her saying she does. 8:44 Arya speaking common might make sense as it's a port city with lots of foreign merchants. Presumably it's called "common" because it's used by most people. 8:53 Daenerys says "Lannister, Targaryen, Baratheon, Stark, Tyrell: they're all just spokes on a wheel. This one's on top, then that one's on top, and on and on it spins, crushing those on the ground". I believe stopping/breaking the wheel isn't about stopping is crushing those on the ground, it's about stopping with the 'correct' ruler at the top. Either way, a wheel that is stopped can move again. A wheel that is broken cannot. 11:00 old locks are pretty simple, any piece of metal could open them. Sansa knows Winterfell, she's probably done this before. 13:50 When asked how long "The Long Farewell" takes to take effect, Qyburn says "Difficult to say. Hours, days, it depends on the subject's constitution." Bronn suddenly sucumbs to it when he becomes aroused which suggests to me that something like the heart beating faster might set it off. Myrcella has an emotional moment with Jaime which could have caused it to take effect. I don't think we know how long Ellaria has it on her lips before removing it but her constitution is probably stronger, she may have built up a tolerance to it and she remains calm. As for Jaqen/The Waif, I'm not convinced they're always the same people behind those faces.
Yeah there are some “CinemaSins” choices (actually not because they often fake ignorance or flat out alter/omit scenes) but always interesting to see perspectives
The problem with the "breaking the wheel" thing is that the writers have her say that and have that be her goal but they never bother to actually explore what the fuck that means in practice to her. Presumably it means establishing some sort of truly absolute monarchy which is more centralized (like maybe with a standing, royal army) and where she has absolute power so no house is capable of ever capable of challenging the ruler again but... that's just inference. The writers never both to go about laying out what it means and that by itself is bad writing deserving of a spot here, imo.
The seeds of GOT's inevitable downfall were planted in S5. A Storm of Swords was adapted in two seasons cause was huge and worked. A Feast for Crows & A Dance Of Dragons were essentially one book divided in two parts and their storylines were butcherely adapted in one season. This is what Martin meant when he said the show suddenly stopped following his template.
I think GRRM really tried to work with them and give them a chance and they wanted to sell out and rush an inferior product. S1, 2, and 3 were amazing, then S4 was really good, season 5 slightly less good, S6 had some cool moments, then S7 and 8 were like a cheap parody knockoff of the once brilliant show.
In the books Miranda does not exist and Theon along with Jeyne Poole (impersonating Arya, Sansa is not at Winterfell at all) jump onto a huge mound of fresh snow, set up by the fierce blizzard going on for days at that point
There's also the fact that the Kingsguard was sworn to protect Margaery as well, they didn't need to wait for Tommen's order. She also could have ordered them to protect her herself. So the Faith never should have been able to take her.
Just a detail, but Valyrian steel (at least in the books) is stated to be very powerful and magical and it is specifically said it can indeed cut through armor.
I still can’t believe they gave us the masterpiece of hardhomme having Jon snow kill a white walker and the night king staring him down. Then later Jon screams at a ice dragon while arya kills the night king. Like wat lol
Definitely, but when she said that she hated him, she meant it. If Jaquen can see through that, then he's not detecting lies, he's seeing absolute truths, which is more of a superpower than a skill.
@@youtub-fj8mu bottom line is it was poorly portrayed, I think. They could've let Arya get away with details, little by little to show her progress in becoming a better liar.
Whilst i agree about a lot of errors in the later seasons, I think you are falling for the cinema sins trap a little - a written character flaw (e.g hubris, over confidence etc) does NOT make it a writing error. A lot of these "errors" are character flaws not writing ones
Exactly. Ive only just started watching the vid(ep 2) and hes critisizing arya for throwing the coin away? Thats a character flaw. Thats arya not believing the coins powers after it appeared to fail her( in her mind). This dude seems to be writing and presenting a lot of nonsense for views
@@niranjanrajesh1058 More than that, why shouldn't she throw the coin away. It's only worth was, that every man from Bravos would take her to the house of black and white. Once she arrived there, it served its purpose. It's like a concert ticket. You might keep it after the show for sentimental reasons. But, if you throw it away, after you passed the security, you're just fine.
I remember when Season 5 came out I was nervous because I heard they were abandoning the books, but I watched with hope anyway and... the first major red flag was when Barristan died, the whole scene was rushed and predictable. Then it was the Sand Snakes, those goddamn Sand Snakes... then it was Stannis doing a character 180 and burning Shireen, which honestly very nearly made me completely abandon the show. Season 6 felt like a slight improvement, but I still couldn’t get the bad taste out of my mouth, and 6 still had issues of its own. Then 7 and 8 happened and... the show is dead lol
i just finished the episode where barristan died and i’m taking a break. everyone i know told me the show doesn’t get bad until season 8 (and some said season 7) but this season has felt so off to me and barristan randomly dying is the icing on the cake.
Barristan was a gouty grandfather who dandered around town without armor. As a consultant he was completely useless anyway. His only good deed was dying in time for Dany to realize she needed more decent advisors.
You stretch a lot of these 'errors' to pad out your run time. You're bang on about most, but Arya getting hit for saying she hates the Hound is just a way to show us that she doesn't really hate him, even if she thinks she does.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Free the people! That's what she tells herself all the time. Are you watching the show drunk? That she firmly believes that she is unlike any other highborn ruler, that she is chosen to do everything better, but has no plan for how to do that, is the whole joke of her character.
George RR Martin has said in an interview that because some people have read the books and some didn't, but DD wanted to appeal to both (and contain suspense) they changed many things, however that leads to problems in the end since the books were foreshadowing something which was later changed in the series. Which is why I believe the show's overall quality went down season by season.
@@A7XKoRnRocks1 pretty much this. 5 was boring but ok for the most part, 6 had more interesting plots but terrible characters already, and 7 just lost it.
The Breaking of the Wheel ideology has two definitions: 1. In Daenery's mind, she envisions the wheel as the infighting between the different noble houses for the throne, which she will put an end, by establishing enternal, unchallenged Targaryen rule. 2. Rulership is the duty of a competent leader, NOT a birth right.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I explain my intention in my first comment. A lot of decisions actually have an interesting blueprint in the final seasons which comes from the outlines Martin gave them, however they did a pure job at fleshing out those blueprints.
@@constantinetranos2225 I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing anymore. Perhaps I was unclear when I expressed my confusion about what Daenerys meant about breaking the wheel. I only meant to say that it doesn't seem like Dany intends to break the wheel at all, but simply put herself on top of it. Couple questions: - What is the definition of stopping the wheel? - What is the definition of breaking the wheel? - What is Dany's plan of action in order to accomplish the breaking of the wheel?
Doran was a prince in title but a King in current American slang. In one afternoon, after having a covert rescue operation by a rival family sprung on him and learning of a murder plot against the innocent member of that powerful rival family under his care (who was also his potential daughter in law) coming from his own extended family, he struck a deal that would avoid any casualties, mend fences with their powerful, royal rivals, connect his house to theirs by marriage, and gain them a seat on the king’s small council. He turned an inter-kingdom incident into a beneficial treaty and a legitimately more peaceful relationship with the family that had been by far the most malignant to and hated by his family/nation during his lifetime and had become the most powerful family in the realm. And as a bonus, their second most competent strategist recently murdered their most competent strategist (who was also the most powerful man on the continent, singlehandedly earning them the power that his children were very liable to fumble) and fucked off across the sea, putting the martells in an exceptional position to gradually seize political power with this deal. But then fucking Ellaria and the fucking sandsnakes just had to fuck it all up
Small confession: I didn't really mind the "hiding in the crypt" part in The Long Night on paper and in a vacuum, mainly because the Stark corpses are sealed in stone tombs However, Jon already saw the wights King Crimson through hardened wood in Hardholme, so they had no excuse at this point Also, human bodies can't flow like tsunamis, so a well-organized shield wall would've actually held against wights if they followed the laws of physics - this is still worse than hiding behind the actual castle walls and setting the moat on fire + scattering dragonglass caltrops, and the actual formation in the show only had 1/5th of the frontliners use shields, and 1/10th use shields big enough to cover themselves fully
@Anjelica Snorcket yeap, there's that too, which is a fair point Although to be also fair, Hardholme proved that there were at least 50 that could King Crimson through hardened wood, so Jon or the wildlings should've remembered that considering it was what led to Hardholme getting overrun
@Anjelica Snorcket but then you wing it so hard that any other army with brain cells could immediately cut you off from your own castle, destroy your siege weaponry, and even break your formation without much effort xD
I think at this point, there is a lot of "cherry- picking" of so called misstakes when they really are just bad explained like for example the voting scene at the night watch. I think its not that unusual for those kind of groups to have certain wired traditions.
That's how it is. The further back you go with GoT the better the seasons get. So S8 is easy to hate, S7 is still easy to poke holes in and hate, S6 is ok for the most part, maybe a few nit picks here and there
breaking the urn for the vote makes sense because it shows everyone that the urn is empty and that all votes ended up beeing counted, I do agree that its a bit of a waste tho especially for people living in such a rural area away from most trader or craftsmen that could replace a vase if u ever ran out
I know I'm a bit late here but, where did melisandre get the horse to leave Stannis' camp? The guard had just told him all the sell swords had left with all the horses.
Haha, good point. I would think that high-ranking people have their own personal horses, with the accompanying squires though, which would explain why her horse in particular was left alone. On the other hand, we never see any such squires... Anyway, that begs the question, what happened to Stannis' horse? That ought to be the most well-protected horse of all, but Stannis walks into battle on foot... Perhaps it dies from the cold. Guess we'll never know! Definitely could have added that, thanks :D
Have to quibble about Jaquen hitting Arya when she says she hates the Hound. In the books, there's a point where Sandor Clegane sort of stops being on the list of names she recites every night. She's kind of over him.
Season 5 is by no means great, but 90% of these 'errors' aren't errors. Even if we say it's just misleading or bad writing, it's not even that. For example, Jamie saying that he has to do it is a clear sign of emotional attachment that he wouldn't want another person to do. Arya was conflicted about her feelings towards the Hound, which is why she was struck. Her throwing away the coin is an intention story moment which isn't meant to be logical... she's a child... would you rather have perfect little robot figures as the characters? Stannis and Jon were just going for a walk as most people do; I don't see why everyone has to be moving to a location. Brienne being excessively rude to Podrick is the literal purpose of those scenes, so I don't know why it's labeled as an error. Even things that ARE errors, like a horse stopping early, or a Valyrian steel sword not quickly cutting a log, do not change the story in any way and are likely just practical limitations of television.
Sansa: I saw you at the wedding, bowing to the king." Brienne should've said "Yes? From where did you see me? Oh right, you were sitting at his f-cking table!" goddamit
This was the greatest show I had ever seen. Out of everything D&D did, the worst thing was turning the greatest character in all of TV history (IMO) Tyrion Lannister, into an idiot. The the first 6 seasons, I thought, "If GGRM kills Tyrion, I'm gonna lose my shit", to me thinking in the last series, "Meh...." and "Shut up, Jon!"
I think their mistake was that they wanted to keep him a "good guy" and didn't want to explore his darker side like in the books. I think the omission of the Tysha revelation was really the shot in the heart for his character.
While there are certainly many errors in GOT, differences from the books, bad tactical decisions in war/fighting scenes, I feel this video on season 5 is mostly nitpicking and some may not make sense to you but do to others...but as always I like watching GOT stuff so I watched it anyway! :)
Another one: Stannis sends Davos to Castle Black so he can get more help to aid Stanis' war, but we just see Davos get sidetrack by the drama happening in Castle Black, with Jon's death and all, while his commander which he was utterly loyal to ask him for his urgent help in a live-and-die battle with clearly running out resources, and instead of getting that help and returning to him, he is still there battling the traitors in Castle Black as his commander and all his army were defeated. He does not even ask any news from Stannis or seem concerned?
And Jaquen striking Arya about the Hound LITERALLY SHOWS SHE ACTUALY DOESN'T HATE HIM HOW CAN YOU BE THIS DENSE THE SHOW LITERALLY SPELLS IT OUT FOR YOU, YOU DERP
Yes, because snow doesn't stay in the shade of walls or anything, especially when we literally see that Winterfell is still surrounded by TONS of stow. Enough that soldiers' feet sink into it.
For me the show died with Season 4, Season 5 only confirmed it was dead. - In season 4 I hated the whole Nightking-thing, and my favourite wildlings, the Thenns, were ruined, and though that was just a little change, both were already boding ill for the northern plotline. Bloodraven was underwhelming, too. And at the end it badly lacked Jaime's most important Tysha-Confression that made Tyrion make the detour on his flight to kill his father in the first place. It was visible already at that point they had stopped taking care about making sense.
That was perhaps the stupidest change they made. Seeing as they pushed the dialogue to be more dramatic for the sake of it in later seasons, why not keep the Tysha-twist as it was?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Maybe because it would require screen time to introduce a new offscreen character (that's already dead thus the audience isn't gonna start caring right away) and more scenes to show us in a believable way that Tyrion cared about her, if they try doing that in one scene - I believe it will feel contrived thus fake and unnecessary, a bit like the "Tyrion/Jon : I love Daenarys" thing. Besides, they have to have some sort of payoff for the death of Joffrey's whole situation so they used Tyrion kills Tywin.
@@praetorian3902 The Tysha plot was already introduced in S2 tho. I think the writers probably realized Tyrions popularity and wanted to keep him a "good guy" and the Tysha revelation is what really starts his downward spiral in the books.
Stannis was my favorite character. It sucks what D and D did to him. Book Stannis would've died for his little princess. I guess GRRM is so heartbroken over the series he will never finish the books.
Book Stannis kills her, too. George isn't heartbroken. He's partying and doesn't feel the need to finish the books. Maybe in part due to his "fans" whining and polluting the internet the way you just did.
@@christiangwenner6384 Exactly. Just posted a lengthy comment on another video about how as much as D&D, and HBO, and even GRRM himself all bear guilt for how things swirled the commode, it was FANS who killed GoT, because they 1) LOVED the show so much that they never held the show runners' feet to the fire, even when tons of shite had already drowned the fan; 2) INSISTED...across social media but primarily here on YT...ON ATTEMPTING TO GUESS THE PLOT, not only from one episode to the next, but one season to the next (GRRM said this effectively killed his desire to finish the series since nearly all of his plot threads had been exhaustively bandied about online); and 3) SPEWING INFANTILE FAN SERVICE WISH LISTS all across social media and YT, resulting in the farcical Clegane Bowl and other absurdist nonsense. HBO should have given D&D walking papers after season 4, especially since Dumb & Dumber said publicly that the only reason they wanted to film GoT was so they could shoot the Red Wedding. They immediately lost interest after that, and it showed. GRRM wanted more seasons, the fans wanted more seasons, and HBO sure as hell should have wanted more seasons (GoT was easily the company's hugest ever money-printing machine), but they allowed the selfishness of D&D to run the show into an early and ignominious grave. A well-deserved pox on EVERYONE'S house.
If only people would observe something thoroughly before they criticized it pettily. Ep. 1: Jon already does understand Mance, because he knows him. No more explanation needed, no more added conversation, if you'd watched the show halfway closely. Ep. 2: Aria throws the coin away, because she reached her destination. Yes, it's very powerful and precious. But only because it makes every man from Bravos help you get to the house of black and white. That's it's single purpose. Once you're there, you simply don't need it any more. Ep. 2b: It's not "conveniently" returned but magically. That's what they do. Ep. 2c: Podrick is told to steel a horse. She says it somewhat rude, because he doesn't get it. Just like you. Ep. 2d: Brienne instantly knows, Littlefinger won't let her leave alive. She just get's it. Unlike you. Ep 2e: Bron has to go, because otherwise he doesn't have a wife or castle anymore. He's obviously blackmailed. Well, not obvious enough for you, obviously. Ep. 2f: Tommen is absent because his mother wants him to be. I wish yours had wanted you to pay more attention to things, you plan to talk about later. Ep 2g: They can build or at least maintain a gigantic wall of ice, but don't know how to replace a ceramic urn? Hell, the nightswatch is doomed. Ep 3: In order to become another person, you have to tell a convincing story, bevor even thinking of using a different face. So yeah, calling it the game of faces is perfectly fine. Ep. 3b: People are tortured and killed and raped in this series, but a typical medieval way of learning by the stick is "uneducational"? Wow! Ep 3c: Not showing awe or excitement when facing a celebrity is exactly what the sparrows are all about. Later when she does her walk, it's regular people in the capital. Of course they react differently. Ep. 3d: Cersei may be too innocent as she walks around town confronting members of the faith. But exactly this arrogance and thoughtlessness, this feeling of superiority is the essence of her character. That's exactly what the show wants to tell us. Ep. 3e: The prostitute thinks an unwashed, unshaven, smelly midget dressed in rags most likely has no money? How on earth does she come up with that assumption? Oh boy! Let's stop it here. I'd better let you go and ruin someone else's party.
Did anyone think that the big guy who frees Tyrion at 8:31 was going to be Strong Belwas, or even just a shout out to him? I was sad that he never made it into the show.
Indeed. I can see the omission though. Jorah, Barristan and Daario to some extent sort of fill that role in the show. Lots of dudes by her side in the books, especially with the Meerenese nobles...
@@jac1111 D&D: "Can we interest you in Briaime, Bran not doing shit this whole time, Arya never using her faces, season 7, Aegon Targaryen or some bad pussy?"
Exactly, but what does that mean, practically speaking? Like, what does she intend to actually do? It's a metaphor, but for what policies or actions? Does she want to instill democracy? Clearly not. Taking over the world? Well that's certainly just more of the same, no?
One could argue that the common tongue being spoken around the harbour in Braavos makes some sense. Perhaps it's the international language of the sea, like English in our world. Arya definitely should have learned Braavosi and everyone around write have also known it, but I can believe that The Thin Man and other regulars in that area would be fluent in the language of Westeros
If memory serves, that first scene mentioned for episode one starts with Jon kneeling to Stannis atop the wall, in blatant contradiction of Season 4 Jon's refusal to kneel.
Arya WAS lying about hating the Hound. She was in denial about bonding with him while they traveled & admits later when she played again that she had taken him off her list & did & DIDN'T want him dead. That's why Jaquen said she's lying to herself.
I believe the difference between "stopping the wheel" and "breaking the wheel" is that a broken wheel cannot start turning again - stopping it is potentially only temporary. Also, the whole thing about Arya speaking Common seems to just be a matter of convenience for the sake of the audience. It's one thing to have a few characters say a few lines in a fantasy language for a few scenes - quite another to have a main character require subtitles for a majority of the season.
And also WHO would use a sword to cut a post that has horses' bridles tied? They are not loosely tied, or the horse could get away on its own. Cutting the post just leaves horses tied to a broken post *facepalm* horses are not smart enough to "shimmy" their tied bridles to the sliced end and then get away. Uggghhhhh
I'm a mite confused as to how the valyrian steel sword cutting through things is an "error". Valyrian steel is hella sharp and extremely hard. It cutting a log and another sword is consistent with everything else we know about it. Now, it being "recently sharpened"? That is definitely an error as Valyrian Steel doesn't need to be sharpened.
@@lunaris5054 it is, it was given to her by Jaime, one of the two swords forged with Ice’s metal. Forgot the name, oathkeeper or widows wail, can’t remember
But Arya didn't hate sandor, she came to respect him after he looked after her. It's why she didn't kill him when she could. It's why she cleaned his wounds.
Of course, but she doesn't know it. She still thinks she hates him, but that's obviously not the problem. How can Jaqen spot a lie if the subject is convinced they're telling the truth?
The worst thing about S5 was what Mannis Baratheon did to Shireen like bruh, the guy is best known for eating rats in besieged Storms End, Stannis would never burn his daughter alive to avoid food shortages and poor weather conditions
I found season 5 boring as hell, I only liked episodes 8,9 and 10. I wasn't even a book reader yet when this season came out but I understood why book fans were complaining. I started reading the books while waiting for season 8 to air.
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Not to sound like a book purist, but if we got the plot lines and beats from AFFC and ADWD, maybe season would've been less boring
@@gfilmer7150 These fillers are the backbone of GoT. If you just want to watch some action popcorn cinema, there's plenty around. The first half of season 5 was peak GoT.
@@christiangwenner6384 Oh wow, strawmaning my argument with the action addiction crowd. The character building scenes in Season 5 don’t build any character, it just wastes so much time. No Jon becoming cruel, no Dany becoming cruel, especially no Tyrion becoming cruel, nothing of note happening with Arya, none of The Northern Politics, and Dorne is so bad it’s baffling.
With the candle I think it’s implied that they lit it in the tower so that whoever was trying to help Sansa would come out of hiding and then they ambushed her
Maybe. Too bad it's never shown, or even suggested in the show. Leaving the audience to fill in the gaps by assuming things arbitrarily is extremely poor storytelling.
As hilariously stupid as it was, I might be able to explain the Mycella / Elaria poison situation. Obreyn was known as a master of poison, hence why he was questioned by Tywin regarding the poisoning of King Joffrey. Perhaps he shared some of his wisdom with Elaria and helped her become somewhat immune to it? I say only somewhat since her nose started bleeding as well. Either way, poorly explained by the writers, stupid in execution. Great video, mate!
Its heavily implied that Jaqen strikes Arya when she says she hates The Hound because she doesnt actually hate him and might feel regret about leaving him to die
The thing with the poison. A later season states that the poison could take different times to kill its intended target depending on their constitution (i think thats how they worded it). So Myrcella would die fast while the sand snake lady could have contact with it for a while.
I actually don't dislike Dany's comment to Missandei, and thought it made sense. Missandei's a former slave, and *would* know who would suffer the most if Dany's rule/reign/conquest fails; the former slaves.
I tell people that the last great line, and the place to stop if they don't want to watch the bad writing, is when Greyworm says what he was afraid of.
I binged it al after season 8, thought I’d have to wait longer for it to get bad but no, noticed the difference wit the season 5 premier and each season was subsequently worse, just so happens to be when they caught up to the books too, huh, funny coincidence. House of dragons source material is already complete tho, I’m super pumped for it
I believe it makes sense that not only is season 5's error video shorter than the rest, but it also has the weakest arguments. Several of the "points" you make in this video are wrong or simply overlooking what everyone else saw in the show. Arya not hating the Hound was such a good scene and perfect character development. Breaking the wheel instead of stopping it was on brand for her character, a great line, and made sense for her character. She did not want to "win" the Game of Thrones, she wanted to *end* the Game of Thrones. The cracks were definitely starting to form in season 5, but it was not nearly as bad as this video makes it out to be. If anything, this video shows it was actually a pretty good season, when strawman arguments are needed to even make a somewhat lengthy critique of the show. That said, I watched the videos in reverse order, which I am glad I did because of this interesting trend I saw in that order. Much like the unraveling of the show I experienced watching seasons 6-8 in order, I saw the unraveling of valid arguments in these videos going from 8-6 in reverse order. It was, in a way, a beautiful symmetry that enhanced this mini-series of critiques even better. If this was intentional, it was beautifully done. Otherwise, I imagine you just thought there would be a video worth of content for each season, but when making season 5 it just felt too short to be it's own video. I feel having seasons 5 and 6 together would have helped resolve this issue and have 3 lengthy and equally objective videos instead of 2 that were iffy and 2 that were really objective. Either way, I watched and enjoyed all of them, so well done!
Thanks a lot for the kind words! Glad you liked the video series :) With regards to your objections, it's clear what they wanted to say (Arya didn't hate the Hound anymore & Dany wants to change things permanently), it's just that the way they did it didn't reinforce that sentiments as intended, if you do stop to think about it. Arya didn't hate the Hound, but how did Jaqen know that when Arya herself believed the words coming out of her mouth? Dany wants to "break the wheel", but what does that mean? Not in theory, practically speaking; what does she want to do differently from other rulers? This question is never answered as far as I can see.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Great questions! To the best of my understanding when first watching the show: For a real world answer to a work of high fantasy, and how I personally took it, I will offer the real world ability to read people. With it, it is not hard to tell when someone is saying what they want to believe versus what they actually believe. Williams (Arya's actress) seemed to have been directed to make these subtle signs when delivering the line, because I saw them on my first watch through. Sure, I had the meta ability to see her journey, so I knew it might not be true anymore, but it was how she said it that confirmed it, not Jaqen's response. Williams is a very talented actress and this scene is one where I think that really shines through. Those who are not finely tuned to pick up such nuance would miss it, which is most of us, so why have the actress include the nuance? The only reason I can think of is because that was how Jaqen knew, and this was just another example of GoT going above and beyond in attention to detail. For a fantasy answer to the question, The Faceless Men are ordained by a god that grants them frankly supernatural abilities. Knowing who is supposed to die, face stealing/duplicating, and causing illusions, to name a few. So, maybe lie-detection is among their god-given abilities. It would certainly explain why they have the lying game in the first place. The "Dany smash" line is a lot less subject to speculation, IMO. We were constantly shown how she would rule, and how that would differ from the status quo of the world. She wanted to ban slavery, stop what she considered war crimes from being the norm, grant more rights to the common folk, topple class systems, etc. All of these goals are in direct conflict with how the world operates, meaning simply stopping the wheel once she is on top is not enough. She needs to break the entire foundation of the system that allows the game of thrones, and all other things she hates, to thrive. Sure, they could have given us a 12 minute monologue about what exactly she intends to do once she is on the throne, but the snarky remark fit the scene a lot better, and I do not see what would have been added by elaborating. That would be telling, not showing, and we see what she means the entire story, so it would have been redundant. It would have also been out of character, seeing as Dany is the Mother of One-liners, Khaleesi of Sass, and Breaker of Conversations. ;-)
@@peaceandloveusa6656 Yeah I can see the Arya one potentially being as you say. Jaqen might have been able to detect her efforts to want her words to be true, despite knowing they're not. However, I'm not sure there's enough backing in the books to say that the faceless men have divine powers :P Blood-magic or sourcery, sure. With regards to Danaerys breaking the wheel, the things you bring up still don't offer a fundamental change. Banning slavery and granting rights is just policy. If she really wanted to shake things up, she's introduce a completely new governing system, like democracy or something. It would be really tacky, but it would certainly break the wheel. Her being another monarch with her own agenda doesn't break diddly :P
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I have never read the books, wont until if/when they finish, but that's fair. I don't know how much magic is attributed to them in the books, if any. Dany did seem to be another monarch, which is a problem, because every monarchy can be different, so that might have benefited from some clarification. We never saw anything in the show that suggested she wouldn't be a monarch with her own rules, which would have been easily undone when "the wheel kept rolling." So I have to side with you on that one that it would have been nice to know what she would have done in the specifics of breaking the wheel. :)
@@peaceandloveusa6656 This has been a very sensible conversation. Thank you for breaking the trend xD Seriously though, thanks for sharing your perspective! :)
The idea of Brien's valeryen sword breaking other swords in pieces when striking and piercing armor does make sense. Its always said that valeryan steel is the best steel in the whole world of GOT. So roasting it isn't fair. I can stand behind that but the rest of the season really starts going downhill.
I just realized from rewatching the shows and watching all the vids on the internet, HOW THE HELL DID BRON (not calling him sir!) SURVIVE??? He even told tyrion that he would kill babies for the right price. Plus all the double dealing he did in the end just for self enrichment. He doesnt have a selfless bone in his body!
i think mostly everything wrong with Bronn is due to the fact that in the Books Sir Ilyn Payne went to Dorne together with Jaime Lannister. There also Jaime talked with Payne about his relationship with Cersei and so on, because of the fact that Payne is mute. In the Show however Bronn accompanied Jaime, due to the fact that the actor of Ilyn Payne got cancer and so could not play him in season 4 and 5. So i forgive the writers for these mistakes.
Jaime never went to dorne with Ilyn Payne in the books… in the books it’s a different kings guard that goes after dark star for cutting myrcellas face… Jaime went with Brienne in the riverlands because of stone heart
Season 5 was a blank slate for them to do amazing things. They still had so much from the books to use, and the show was extremely popular. Would of been the perfect chance to introduce the other characters from the series and pace it.. They could of easily asked for more funding from HBO at that point and perhaps done 12-13 episodes. Jamie should of gone to Riverun and Dorne could of actually been amazing. If they started to rush in season 5, no wonder we had so many issues each season after.
It was a massive crossroads where they chose the shortcut. The Dorne plot and characters was changed beyond recognition, and thus cut the runtime of the narrative down by seasons worth. Same with Tyrion's plot and Young Griff.
Why is Dany saying to Missandei that she 'knows who will suffer most if it all falls apart' weird to you? She was a slave her whole life....if it falls apart slaves will suffer the most....it makes perfect sense. It doesn't mean Missandei would have the most insight on the matter...but the statement still makes sense.
Glad so many of you liked the video!
Stopping or breaking a wheel is not the same thing.
@@MrMiljan407 What would you say is the big difference? What was Daenerys going to do that is so revolutionizingly different?
Stopped easily continues on, while broken stops forever.
@@MrMiljan407 Right, but how does that translate into what Daenerys was going to do, like practically speaking?
It’s now my favorite show to hate watch lol I really try to enjoy it but I hear your points in the back of my mind and I’m like you know he’s right 😆
Only issue: Breaking the Wheel and Stopping it are two very different things. A stopped wheel can turn once again, while a broken one may never do so.
Poeticaly maybe - but where in all of Dany's actions does she get remotely close to this idealistic outcome? Considering she's replaced almost immediately by a new monarch.
Bruh
You ain't wrong
I wonder if he thought she meant Braking instead of breaking…
i was thinking that too.... this ep of "everything wrong" really wasnt on its best leg
Episode 6, J’aqen slapped Arya because she WASN’T sincere in hating Clegane. She lied as she no longer truly hates him and J’aqen caught her lie. I thought that was made clear. Great video!
Thanks! Glad you liked it :)
You're right that she didn't hate the Hound, of course, but did she realize that herself at that moment? She insists that she hates him, because she believes it to be true, even though it's not the absolute truth. What better way to lie than believing it to be true?
My issue is that Jaquen is able to detect the absolute truth despite this.
What do you think about that?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 imo she is aware that she doesn't hate clegane anymore, she just can't verbalize it, maybe cause this would feel like forgiving him for all he has done
@@juno_crystal I see. Well in that case I guess we just interpret it differently :)
She is trying to deny it. She wants to believe that she hates clegane but the truth is she doesn’t. And Jaqen probably sensed the contradiction between what she wants to believe and what she really believed.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 do you ever admit you're wrong?
Sansa picking a lock with a cork screw is my highlight of the season.
hahah its all such nonsense
sahnsa is the smartest person arya knows, so...
Hey where there's a will there's a way
In all fairness still one of the more realistic things
@@zer0953 it's been a while, did she actually say that??
The end of Stannis' arc was absolutely anti-climactic. The whole thing was a blatant character assassination. His army being stuck in the snow, the *20 good men* raid, and his sacrificing of Shireen were all rushed. The snowstorm wasn't that bad and The Mannis has survived worse. Ramsay practically has plot armor with him being able to burn Stannis' camp with only 20 men and his eventual defeat of Stannis, it feels like D&D are rooting for Ramsay to beat Stannis. It was very tragic how we didn't get The North Remembers or Stannis' victory against The Ironborn at Deepwood Motte.
100%. Stannis was so well written and well acted all the way too. One of the biggest injustices next to Jaime's arc.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 They did Jaime a major disservice by injecting him into The Dorne Plot, so they ruined two arcs simultaneously. We don't get any of the sympathetic character development from A Feast For Crows.
@@gfilmer7150 I feel like they did capture a bit of that when he took back Riverrun in S6, and when he offers Olenna poison instead of something brutal, and when he goes to fight for the living against the WWs, but hooking up with Brienne and then going back to Cersei cancels all that out. It's painfully bad.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Jaime was by far the shining beacon of Season 7. His arc was amazing and then D&D massacred my boy halfway through Season 8. To add insult to injury, he says he cared for the innocent even though that’s the reason why he beat up Meryn Frey and killed The Mad King in his youth.
@@gfilmer7150 In the Books Stannis is about to replay his last greatest tactical victory by trapping the Freys between the frozen lakes, just like how he trapped Victarion Greyjoy’s fleet, it’s highly likely he will defeat the freys at Crofters village, He has the Mormonts and Glovers with his army, half of the Umber’s and the northern mountain clans, also made a deal with the Iron Bank, 20,000 sell swords.
In the Show he gets destroyed by a blizzard and 20 good men...
I’m pretty sure Brienne meant for Podrick to steal another horse and not find a wild one lol.
Stannis walking and then turning around was really weird though.
Yeah but still she said so as if it was so extremely obvious
@@pepepicapinto543 I don't know if that's an error necessarily as sometimes people can be dicks, especially in stressful situations, even if they're normally not like that.
I thought Stannis might've been walking with Jon just to talk to him, but he's characterized as believing himself a king that is above others, so it doesn't really make sense for him to follow Jon really.
the most stupid thing of season 5 is how they ruined Littlefinger character. He is just genius in the books, and the way he just gave sansa to Boltons in the show is just... ugh
And then he's all, "bUt i LuVs hEr". 🙄
I didn’t understand that move at the time I was watching. Why would he give away his leverage? Sansa was basically his ticket to rulling the North, as he was already the de facto ruler of the Vale, and his stablished goal since the beginning was to become king. Also, Sansa knew he killed her aunt. I didn’t read the books, so I thought I was missing something, later I understood it was just bad writing.
@@myaccount4699In the book, Ramsay Bolton marries a girl named Jeyne Poole (Sansa’s friend at Winterfell who’s mentioned a few times in season 1) but they tell everyone she’s Arya Stark and the only one who recognizes it isn’t actually Arya is Theon (Reek by then). Little Finger’s plan is to give both the Vale and Winterfell to Sansa by keeping her identity secret until the perfect moment. The fact he gives Sansa to the Boltons makes no sense besides D&D not having to hire someone who looks kinda like Arya to play Jeyne Poole
@@kylesutcliffe9468 why spoil it bit?
@@myaccount4699I wouldn’t call him the de facto ruler of the vale, but that’s why he needed Sansa, she was the key to him becoming the de facto ruler of the vale which then opened the doors to winterfell.
You probably hurt Brans legs, stretching so much on some of these. 😂
The biggest mystery of season 5 is where did the Bolton hounds disappear to while chasing Sansa and Theon. We should all be concerned about these interdimensional hounds roaming around Westeros
They started teleporting before it was cool. Those darn hipster-hounds.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 those hounds are ahead of the curb.
They teleported to Dark Souls 3
I wouldn't worry about it
Season 6*
Some opinions I agree with, others I don't but no point arguing those. My thoughts on a few points:
3:09 Bronn goes along because Jaime takes everything he's earned away from him.
7:03 I read this as Arya not actually hating The Hound despite her saying she does.
8:44 Arya speaking common might make sense as it's a port city with lots of foreign merchants. Presumably it's called "common" because it's used by most people.
8:53 Daenerys says "Lannister, Targaryen, Baratheon, Stark, Tyrell: they're all just spokes on a wheel. This one's on top, then that one's on top, and on and on it spins, crushing those on the ground". I believe stopping/breaking the wheel isn't about stopping is crushing those on the ground, it's about stopping with the 'correct' ruler at the top. Either way, a wheel that is stopped can move again. A wheel that is broken cannot.
11:00 old locks are pretty simple, any piece of metal could open them. Sansa knows Winterfell, she's probably done this before.
13:50 When asked how long "The Long Farewell" takes to take effect, Qyburn says "Difficult to say. Hours, days, it depends on the subject's constitution." Bronn suddenly sucumbs to it when he becomes aroused which suggests to me that something like the heart beating faster might set it off. Myrcella has an emotional moment with Jaime which could have caused it to take effect. I don't think we know how long Ellaria has it on her lips before removing it but her constitution is probably stronger, she may have built up a tolerance to it and she remains calm.
As for Jaqen/The Waif, I'm not convinced they're always the same people behind those faces.
Right on! Thanks for taking the time. The only one I'm inclined to agree with is The Long Farewell. That does make complete sense.
Yeah there are some “CinemaSins” choices (actually not because they often fake ignorance or flat out alter/omit scenes) but always interesting to see perspectives
The Hound/lying one was pretty obvious, surprised this channel even counted that as a mistake. Jaqen even says Arya’s lying to herself.
The problem with the "breaking the wheel" thing is that the writers have her say that and have that be her goal but they never bother to actually explore what the fuck that means in practice to her.
Presumably it means establishing some sort of truly absolute monarchy which is more centralized (like maybe with a standing, royal army) and where she has absolute power so no house is capable of ever capable of challenging the ruler again but... that's just inference. The writers never both to go about laying out what it means and that by itself is bad writing deserving of a spot here, imo.
Old locks, while simpler than modern, was sturdy, and there is no mechanical way to open it with a corcscrew
The seeds of GOT's inevitable downfall were planted in S5. A Storm of Swords was adapted in two seasons cause was huge and worked. A Feast for Crows & A Dance Of Dragons were essentially one book divided in two parts and their storylines were butcherely adapted in one season. This is what Martin meant when he said the show suddenly stopped following his template.
Straying too far form souce is always gonna bite you in the ass I guess.
I think GRRM really tried to work with them and give them a chance and they wanted to sell out and rush an inferior product. S1, 2, and 3 were amazing, then S4 was really good, season 5 slightly less good, S6 had some cool moments, then S7 and 8 were like a cheap parody knockoff of the once brilliant show.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 It's really obvious that the show starts to degrade in quality as soon as they deviate from this alleged template w/ season 5.
Downfall started in season 4. There were already cracks in the dialogue.
Wait, so Theon throws someone from a great height and they die, and right after both him and Sansa throw themselves the same height and are just fine?
Plot armor babeeeey
Didn't they land in a snow drift? I know in the real world that would still be enough to break bones, but.... yeah.
@@AmyEugene in the books the same scene happens (with a different character) and Theon lands on her and breaks her ribs.
In the books Miranda does not exist and Theon along with Jeyne Poole (impersonating Arya, Sansa is not at Winterfell at all) jump onto a huge mound of fresh snow, set up by the fierce blizzard going on for days at that point
I always assumed they jumped in the water. What water? I don't know.
There's also the fact that the Kingsguard was sworn to protect Margaery as well, they didn't need to wait for Tommen's order. She also could have ordered them to protect her herself. So the Faith never should have been able to take her.
Also margaery being that squires key witness who "supports" his claim lol
If she just said "that never happened" then he has no "evidence"..
The snow kinda forgot that it melted.
10/10
Aria didn't hate the Hound, that's why she was slapped. She cared for the Hound even if she didn't know it, jaquen Hagar knew
How did he know?
How can he slap?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 he just knows, some kind of many faced majik I guess
@@CultureVultureMedia1
He knows because Faceless Men are good at spotting lies.
He slaps with his hand.
This is all self-evident.
Just a detail, but Valyrian steel (at least in the books) is stated to be very powerful and magical and it is specifically said it can indeed cut through armor.
I still can’t believe they gave us the masterpiece of hardhomme having Jon snow kill a white walker and the night king staring him down. Then later Jon screams at a ice dragon while arya kills the night king. Like wat lol
2:00
Bro she's telling him to steal some, come on. Some of these complains are you just not using your brain.
Still stupid and totally out of Brienne's character
Yeah I like these videos as like 95% of the time they’re right but sometimes there is some stupid shit like this that flies over his head.
And that's not easy either. If not people would steal horses like mud
Seriously. He's starting to approach CinemaSins level of stupid with some of these.
I think Arya was a bit conflicted about her feelings towards Sandor. I guess after all that time they spent together he kind of grew on her.
Exactly. She didn't hate him.
Definitely, but when she said that she hated him, she meant it. If Jaquen can see through that, then he's not detecting lies, he's seeing absolute truths, which is more of a superpower than a skill.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 fair point, but detecting lies the way he does is also a superpower lol
@@youtub-fj8mu bottom line is it was poorly portrayed, I think. They could've let Arya get away with details, little by little to show her progress in becoming a better liar.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 just because you say something emphatically, doesn't mean it is true or you believe it.
I would argue that Jorah & Daario finding Dany’s ring in the Dothraki sea is the most absurdly impossible! 😹
It is, and I would have included it, but to be fair, it's not an inherrent inconsistency.
Whilst i agree about a lot of errors in the later seasons, I think you are falling for the cinema sins trap a little - a written character flaw (e.g hubris, over confidence etc) does NOT make it a writing error. A lot of these "errors" are character flaws not writing ones
But some of the character flaws can be caused by crappy writing and are inconsistent with the entire character arc
Exactly. Ive only just started watching the vid(ep 2) and hes critisizing arya for throwing the coin away? Thats a character flaw. Thats arya not believing the coins powers after it appeared to fail her( in her mind). This dude seems to be writing and presenting a lot of nonsense for views
@@niranjanrajesh1058 More than that, why shouldn't she throw the coin away. It's only worth was, that every man from Bravos would take her to the house of black and white. Once she arrived there, it served its purpose.
It's like a concert ticket. You might keep it after the show for sentimental reasons. But, if you throw it away, after you passed the security, you're just fine.
I love you for the poison reference to the Emperor's New Groove
I’m glad you noticed! My all time favorite Disney film.
I remember when Season 5 came out I was nervous because I heard they were abandoning the books, but I watched with hope anyway and... the first major red flag was when Barristan died, the whole scene was rushed and predictable. Then it was the Sand Snakes, those goddamn Sand Snakes... then it was Stannis doing a character 180 and burning Shireen, which honestly very nearly made me completely abandon the show.
Season 6 felt like a slight improvement, but I still couldn’t get the bad taste out of my mouth, and 6 still had issues of its own. Then 7 and 8 happened and... the show is dead lol
i just finished the episode where barristan died and i’m taking a break. everyone i know told me the show doesn’t get bad until season 8 (and some said season 7) but this season has felt so off to me and barristan randomly dying is the icing on the cake.
Barristan was a gouty grandfather who dandered around town without armor. As a consultant he was completely useless anyway. His only good deed was dying in time for Dany to realize she needed more decent advisors.
Stannis would always end up the way he did. Read the books again!
After everything they went through together i believe its safe to say that arya was clearly lying to herself when she said she hates the Hound
Right? I've seen people say 'but she was telling thr truth' when obviously the point of the scene was to show that she didn't hate the hound
You stretch a lot of these 'errors' to pad out your run time. You're bang on about most, but Arya getting hit for saying she hates the Hound is just a way to show us that she doesn't really hate him, even if she thinks she does.
Love these! Can't wait to have the big compilation of all 8 seasons to go through with my friends, haha
The rewatch value we deserve.
If you stop the wheel it can start back up again but if you break it, it can't be started back up again because there's no wheel.
Right, that much is clear, but what was her plan in practice? What would she actaully do differently from previous rulers? :O
@@CultureVultureMedia1 burn them all!
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Free the people! That's what she tells herself all the time. Are you watching the show drunk?
That she firmly believes that she is unlike any other highborn ruler, that she is chosen to do everything better, but has no plan for how to do that, is the whole joke of her character.
Jesus by the time you get to season 8 the video is gonna have to be 3 hours 😭😭😭😭
25 to be precise! Already on the channel since a long way back :P
@@CultureVultureMedia1 time for a binge then
George RR Martin has said in an interview that because some people have read the books and some didn't, but DD wanted to appeal to both (and contain suspense) they changed many things, however that leads to problems in the end since the books were foreshadowing something which was later changed in the series. Which is why I believe the show's overall quality went down season by season.
Except it didn't. You just have to change details when adapting something to a different medium. Don't worry about George. He knows. You don't.
I feel like some of these are credible, most are a massive stretch, and some just outright aren't correct
Season 5 was alright, my first time watching it I don't remember thinking it was much different. Season 6 is when I noticed a marked change.
Season 05 was very boring, Season 06 was far better but tbh everything after Season 04 is meh, gets worse in Season 07 and 08 is the worst.
@@A7XKoRnRocks1 pretty much this. 5 was boring but ok for the most part, 6 had more interesting plots but terrible characters already, and 7 just lost it.
I like to think that at the end on season 4 the show got cancelled and the rest was fan made, gotta comfort myself somehow.
The Breaking of the Wheel ideology has two definitions:
1. In Daenery's mind, she envisions the wheel as the infighting between the different noble houses for the throne, which she will put an end, by establishing enternal, unchallenged Targaryen rule.
2. Rulership is the duty of a competent leader, NOT a birth right.
Strange then how she, in S7, was so against talking about her plan for succession. Lazy writing at it's finest.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Intentionality doesn't always come with proper execution.
@@constantinetranos2225 Yeah, but what's the intention then? I feel like you're dodging the question, haha :P
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I explain my intention in my first comment. A lot of decisions actually have an interesting blueprint in the final seasons which comes from the outlines Martin gave them, however they did a pure job at fleshing out those blueprints.
@@constantinetranos2225 I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing anymore. Perhaps I was unclear when I expressed my confusion about what Daenerys meant about breaking the wheel.
I only meant to say that it doesn't seem like Dany intends to break the wheel at all, but simply put herself on top of it.
Couple questions:
- What is the definition of stopping the wheel?
- What is the definition of breaking the wheel?
- What is Dany's plan of action in order to accomplish the breaking of the wheel?
The worst thing about season 5 was, until watching this video, I honestly forgot what happened in it.
Only watch season 1-4. Pretend season 5-8 never happened
Nah, season 6 is amazing imho
And it literally has 2 the best episodes in the whole series. That's not even an opinion, it's a fact.
Oh, come on- the Brienne ‘ducks into the bushes & comes back out’ was absolutely a highlight!
It's definitely up there with her breaking a log with a sharp sword.
Doran was a prince in title but a King in current American slang. In one afternoon, after having a covert rescue operation by a rival family sprung on him and learning of a murder plot against the innocent member of that powerful rival family under his care (who was also his potential daughter in law) coming from his own extended family, he struck a deal that would avoid any casualties, mend fences with their powerful, royal rivals, connect his house to theirs by marriage, and gain them a seat on the king’s small council. He turned an inter-kingdom incident into a beneficial treaty and a legitimately more peaceful relationship with the family that had been by far the most malignant to and hated by his family/nation during his lifetime and had become the most powerful family in the realm. And as a bonus, their second most competent strategist recently murdered their most competent strategist (who was also the most powerful man on the continent, singlehandedly earning them the power that his children were very liable to fumble) and fucked off across the sea, putting the martells in an exceptional position to gradually seize political power with this deal.
But then fucking Ellaria and the fucking sandsnakes just had to fuck it all up
Most of these are INCREDIBLY knit picky and you can find in ANY show you watch on tv. Even good shows. But yes 5 out was the beginning of the end.
Small confession: I didn't really mind the "hiding in the crypt" part in The Long Night on paper and in a vacuum, mainly because the Stark corpses are sealed in stone tombs
However, Jon already saw the wights King Crimson through hardened wood in Hardholme, so they had no excuse at this point
Also, human bodies can't flow like tsunamis, so a well-organized shield wall would've actually held against wights if they followed the laws of physics - this is still worse than hiding behind the actual castle walls and setting the moat on fire + scattering dragonglass caltrops, and the actual formation in the show only had 1/5th of the frontliners use shields, and 1/10th use shields big enough to cover themselves fully
Very good points.
@Anjelica Snorcket yeap, there's that too, which is a fair point
Although to be also fair, Hardholme proved that there were at least 50 that could King Crimson through hardened wood, so Jon or the wildlings should've remembered that considering it was what led to Hardholme getting overrun
@Anjelica Snorcket but then you wing it so hard that any other army with brain cells could immediately cut you off from your own castle, destroy your siege weaponry, and even break your formation without much effort xD
@Anjelica Snorcket the Battle of Castle Black though
I think at this point, there is a lot of "cherry- picking" of so called misstakes when they really are just bad explained like for example
the voting scene at the night watch. I think its not that unusual for those kind of groups to have certain wired traditions.
That's how it is. The further back you go with GoT the better the seasons get. So S8 is easy to hate, S7 is still easy to poke holes in and hate, S6 is ok for the most part, maybe a few nit picks here and there
@@AverageAlien Uhhhh, no! S6 and S5 were HORRIBLE!!!
@@turrican4d599 yeah, after rewatching those, they're awful
@@AverageAlienno they're not. They aren't the first four seasons, but not S8 either. They're good enough.
breaking the urn for the vote makes sense because it shows everyone that the urn is empty and that all votes ended up beeing counted, I do agree that its a bit of a waste tho especially for people living in such a rural area away from most trader or craftsmen that could replace a vase if u ever ran out
Arya getting stabbed like 10x by the Waff but not only surviving, but running around and fighting. That was BS!
I know I'm a bit late here but, where did melisandre get the horse to leave Stannis' camp? The guard had just told him all the sell swords had left with all the horses.
Haha, good point. I would think that high-ranking people have their own personal horses, with the accompanying squires though, which would explain why her horse in particular was left alone. On the other hand, we never see any such squires...
Anyway, that begs the question, what happened to Stannis' horse? That ought to be the most well-protected horse of all, but Stannis walks into battle on foot...
Perhaps it dies from the cold. Guess we'll never know!
Definitely could have added that, thanks :D
Ughhhh face dispenser...who came up with those shennanigans
Have to quibble about Jaquen hitting Arya when she says she hates the Hound. In the books, there's a point where Sandor Clegane sort of stops being on the list of names she recites every night. She's kind of over him.
Season 5 is by no means great, but 90% of these 'errors' aren't errors. Even if we say it's just misleading or bad writing, it's not even that. For example, Jamie saying that he has to do it is a clear sign of emotional attachment that he wouldn't want another person to do. Arya was conflicted about her feelings towards the Hound, which is why she was struck. Her throwing away the coin is an intention story moment which isn't meant to be logical... she's a child... would you rather have perfect little robot figures as the characters? Stannis and Jon were just going for a walk as most people do; I don't see why everyone has to be moving to a location. Brienne being excessively rude to Podrick is the literal purpose of those scenes, so I don't know why it's labeled as an error. Even things that ARE errors, like a horse stopping early, or a Valyrian steel sword not quickly cutting a log, do not change the story in any way and are likely just practical limitations of television.
Jaime and Bronn's trip to Dorne (especially them wearing soldier disguises) was so stupid it was like Monty Python and the Holy Grail type schtick.
Sansa: I saw you at the wedding, bowing to the king."
Brienne should've said "Yes? From where did you see me? Oh right, you were sitting at his f-cking table!" goddamit
Jorah did a fantastic dark souls move of rolling to kill the boss 😂
This was the greatest show I had ever seen. Out of everything D&D did, the worst thing was turning the greatest character in all of TV history (IMO) Tyrion Lannister, into an idiot.
The the first 6 seasons, I thought, "If GGRM kills Tyrion, I'm gonna lose my shit", to me thinking in the last series, "Meh...." and "Shut up, Jon!"
Indeed. I don't think of all the major characters, Jorah is about the only one that wasn't buthered by the end x)
I think their mistake was that they wanted to keep him a "good guy" and didn't want to explore his darker side like in the books. I think the omission of the Tysha revelation was really the shot in the heart for his character.
While there are certainly many errors in GOT, differences from the books, bad tactical decisions in war/fighting scenes, I feel this video on season 5 is mostly nitpicking and some may not make sense to you but do to others...but as always I like watching GOT stuff so I watched it anyway! :)
Another one: Stannis sends Davos to Castle Black so he can get more help to aid Stanis' war, but we just see Davos get sidetrack by the drama happening in Castle Black, with Jon's death and all, while his commander which he was utterly loyal to ask him for his urgent help in a live-and-die battle with clearly running out resources, and instead of getting that help and returning to him, he is still there battling the traitors in Castle Black as his commander and all his army were defeated. He does not even ask any news from Stannis or seem concerned?
Oh yeah shoot I never thought about that! That's actually the worst haha!
How is the fact that Valyrian steel being really strong an "error".....?
And Jaquen striking Arya about the Hound LITERALLY SHOWS SHE ACTUALY DOESN'T HATE HIM HOW CAN YOU BE THIS DENSE THE SHOW LITERALLY SPELLS IT OUT FOR YOU, YOU DERP
Yes, because snow doesn't stay in the shade of walls or anything, especially when we literally see that Winterfell is still surrounded by TONS of stow. Enough that soldiers' feet sink into it.
The Boltons don't need to know who killed Stannis to confirm that Stannis' body, missing part of his head, is Stannis.....
For me the show died with Season 4, Season 5 only confirmed it was dead. -
In season 4 I hated the whole Nightking-thing, and my favourite wildlings, the Thenns, were ruined, and though that was just a little change, both were already boding ill for the northern plotline. Bloodraven was underwhelming, too. And at the end it badly lacked Jaime's most important Tysha-Confression that made Tyrion make the detour on his flight to kill his father in the first place. It was visible already at that point they had stopped taking care about making sense.
That was perhaps the stupidest change they made. Seeing as they pushed the dialogue to be more dramatic for the sake of it in later seasons, why not keep the Tysha-twist as it was?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Maybe because it would require screen time to introduce a new offscreen character (that's already dead thus the audience isn't gonna start caring right away) and more scenes to show us in a believable way that Tyrion cared about her, if they try doing that in one scene - I believe it will feel contrived thus fake and unnecessary, a bit like the "Tyrion/Jon : I love Daenarys" thing. Besides, they have to have some sort of payoff for the death of Joffrey's whole situation so they used Tyrion kills Tywin.
@@praetorian3902 The Tysha plot was already introduced in S2 tho. I think the writers probably realized Tyrions popularity and wanted to keep him a "good guy" and the Tysha revelation is what really starts his downward spiral in the books.
Stannis was my favorite character. It sucks what D and D did to him. Book Stannis would've died for his little princess. I guess GRRM is so heartbroken over the series he will never finish the books.
Or he is committed to restore the reputation of GoT.
Book Stannis kills her, too. George isn't heartbroken. He's partying and doesn't feel the need to finish the books. Maybe in part due to his "fans" whining and polluting the internet the way you just did.
@@christiangwenner6384 Exactly. Just posted a lengthy comment on another video about how as much as D&D, and HBO, and even GRRM himself all bear guilt for how things swirled the commode, it was FANS who killed GoT, because they 1) LOVED the show so much that they never held the show runners' feet to the fire, even when tons of shite had already drowned the fan; 2) INSISTED...across social media but primarily here on YT...ON ATTEMPTING TO GUESS THE PLOT, not only from one episode to the next, but one season to the next (GRRM said this effectively killed his desire to finish the series since nearly all of his plot threads had been exhaustively bandied about online); and 3) SPEWING INFANTILE FAN SERVICE WISH LISTS all across social media and YT, resulting in the farcical Clegane Bowl and other absurdist nonsense.
HBO should have given D&D walking papers after season 4, especially since Dumb & Dumber said publicly that the only reason they wanted to film GoT was so they could shoot the Red Wedding. They immediately lost interest after that, and it showed. GRRM wanted more seasons, the fans wanted more seasons, and HBO sure as hell should have wanted more seasons (GoT was easily the company's hugest ever money-printing machine), but they allowed the selfishness of D&D to run the show into an early and ignominious grave. A well-deserved pox on EVERYONE'S house.
If only people would observe something thoroughly before they criticized it pettily.
Ep. 1: Jon already does understand Mance, because he knows him. No more explanation needed, no more added conversation, if you'd watched the show halfway closely.
Ep. 2: Aria throws the coin away, because she reached her destination. Yes, it's very powerful and precious. But only because it makes every man from Bravos help you get to the house of black and white. That's it's single purpose. Once you're there, you simply don't need it any more.
Ep. 2b: It's not "conveniently" returned but magically. That's what they do.
Ep. 2c: Podrick is told to steel a horse. She says it somewhat rude, because he doesn't get it. Just like you.
Ep. 2d: Brienne instantly knows, Littlefinger won't let her leave alive. She just get's it. Unlike you.
Ep 2e: Bron has to go, because otherwise he doesn't have a wife or castle anymore. He's obviously blackmailed. Well, not obvious enough for you, obviously.
Ep. 2f: Tommen is absent because his mother wants him to be. I wish yours had wanted you to pay more attention to things, you plan to talk about later.
Ep 2g: They can build or at least maintain a gigantic wall of ice, but don't know how to replace a ceramic urn? Hell, the nightswatch is doomed.
Ep 3: In order to become another person, you have to tell a convincing story, bevor even thinking of using a different face. So yeah, calling it the game of faces is perfectly fine.
Ep. 3b: People are tortured and killed and raped in this series, but a typical medieval way of learning by the stick is "uneducational"? Wow!
Ep 3c: Not showing awe or excitement when facing a celebrity is exactly what the sparrows are all about. Later when she does her walk, it's regular people in the capital. Of course they react differently.
Ep. 3d: Cersei may be too innocent as she walks around town confronting members of the faith. But exactly this arrogance and thoughtlessness, this feeling of superiority is the essence of her character. That's exactly what the show wants to tell us.
Ep. 3e: The prostitute thinks an unwashed, unshaven, smelly midget dressed in rags most likely has no money? How on earth does she come up with that assumption?
Oh boy! Let's stop it here. I'd better let you go and ruin someone else's party.
Did anyone think that the big guy who frees Tyrion at 8:31 was going to be Strong Belwas, or even just a shout out to him? I was sad that he never made it into the show.
Indeed. I can see the omission though. Jorah, Barristan and Daario to some extent sort of fill that role in the show. Lots of dudes by her side in the books, especially with the Meerenese nobles...
@@CultureVultureMedia1 true - I suppose I just wanted more of everything in the absence of new book material 😭
@@jac1111 D&D: "Can we interest you in Briaime, Bran not doing shit this whole time, Arya never using her faces, season 7, Aegon Targaryen or some bad pussy?"
@@CultureVultureMedia1 😭😭 #triggered
If you only stop the wheel, it can start to move again, if you break the wheel, you're dismantling the whole system.
Exactly, but what does that mean, practically speaking?
Like, what does she intend to actually do? It's a metaphor, but for what policies or actions?
Does she want to instill democracy? Clearly not. Taking over the world? Well that's certainly just more of the same, no?
@@CultureVultureMedia1 A lot of other people gave you really good replies to this question already. I agree with them.
Every error in season 5 = they did not follow the fucking BOOKS !!!
SWEET! Now do seasons 6, 7 and 8...
In the works my friend!
If you turned it into a drinking game, you’d die of alcohol poisoning before season 5 finished!
@@OcarinaSapphr- This is a good idea. Might have to steal that haha
One could argue that the common tongue being spoken around the harbour in Braavos makes some sense. Perhaps it's the international language of the sea, like English in our world. Arya definitely should have learned Braavosi and everyone around write have also known it, but I can believe that The Thin Man and other regulars in that area would be fluent in the language of Westeros
If memory serves, that first scene mentioned for episode one starts with Jon kneeling to Stannis atop the wall, in blatant contradiction of Season 4 Jon's refusal to kneel.
Melisandre left Stannis because she knew he would lose, she didn’t expect half his army to up and leave after they killed Shireen.
4:55 switching back and forth from Season 5 King's Landing and Season 2 King's Landing really shows you how much life they sucked out of the picture
08:56 I mean, no. Stopping it would mean it could start again, breaking it would keep it from starting again
Arya WAS lying about hating the Hound. She was in denial about bonding with him while they traveled & admits later when she played again that she had taken him off her list & did & DIDN'T want him dead. That's why Jaquen said she's lying to herself.
Yeah, but how did Jaquen know? From looking at her sincere face?
I believe the difference between "stopping the wheel" and "breaking the wheel" is that a broken wheel cannot start turning again - stopping it is potentially only temporary.
Also, the whole thing about Arya speaking Common seems to just be a matter of convenience for the sake of the audience. It's one thing to have a few characters say a few lines in a fantasy language for a few scenes - quite another to have a main character require subtitles for a majority of the season.
Just to clarify, are you stating that a Valyrian steel sword _shouldn't_ be able to break through a log?
I guess I could have made myself more clear. It should *cut* the log, not break it.
And also WHO would use a sword to cut a post that has horses' bridles tied? They are not loosely tied, or the horse could get away on its own. Cutting the post just leaves horses tied to a broken post *facepalm* horses are not smart enough to "shimmy" their tied bridles to the sliced end and then get away. Uggghhhhh
I'm a mite confused as to how the valyrian steel sword cutting through things is an "error". Valyrian steel is hella sharp and extremely hard. It cutting a log and another sword is consistent with everything else we know about it.
Now, it being "recently sharpened"? That is definitely an error as Valyrian Steel doesn't need to be sharpened.
Her Sword is not Valyrian Steel i think thats the Problem thats its as sharp as Valeryan steel but its only normal steel
@@lunaris5054 it is, it was given to her by Jaime, one of the two swords forged with Ice’s metal. Forgot the name, oathkeeper or widows wail, can’t remember
@@alessandrocejwokkkk Oathkeeper, named because she was essentially using it to keep the oaths both her and Jaime swore to Catelyn.
But Arya didn't hate sandor, she came to respect him after he looked after her. It's why she didn't kill him when she could. It's why she cleaned his wounds.
7:03 - I think this was intentional, as she at this point in the story does not truly hate him anymore.
Of course, but she doesn't know it. She still thinks she hates him, but that's obviously not the problem.
How can Jaqen spot a lie if the subject is convinced they're telling the truth?
The worst thing about S5 was what Mannis Baratheon did to Shireen like bruh, the guy is best known for eating rats in besieged Storms End, Stannis would never burn his daughter alive to avoid food shortages and poor weather conditions
Exactly. They don't call him Mannis for nothing, man loves his daughter to bits, next to Sir Onion. Smh.
I found season 5 boring as hell, I only liked episodes 8,9 and 10. I wasn't even a book reader yet when this season came out but I understood why book fans were complaining. I started reading the books while waiting for season 8 to air.
Most of this Season is pretty much filler
@@gfilmer7150 agreed
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Not to sound like a book purist, but if we got the plot lines and beats from AFFC and ADWD, maybe season would've been less boring
@@gfilmer7150 These fillers are the backbone of GoT. If you just want to watch some action popcorn cinema, there's plenty around. The first half of season 5 was peak GoT.
@@christiangwenner6384 Oh wow, strawmaning my argument with the action addiction crowd. The character building scenes in Season 5 don’t build any character, it just wastes so much time. No Jon becoming cruel, no Dany becoming cruel, especially no Tyrion becoming cruel, nothing of note happening with Arya, none of The Northern Politics, and Dorne is so bad it’s baffling.
A lot of the errors weren't actual errors but rather human factor etc. Still a nice video.
With the candle I think it’s implied that they lit it in the tower so that whoever was trying to help Sansa would come out of hiding and then they ambushed her
Maybe. Too bad it's never shown, or even suggested in the show.
Leaving the audience to fill in the gaps by assuming things arbitrarily is extremely poor storytelling.
7:07 she does not hate the hound, thats why he hits her, she is lying
After the time she had with the hound she stoped hating him
As hilariously stupid as it was, I might be able to explain the Mycella / Elaria poison situation. Obreyn was known as a master of poison, hence why he was questioned by Tywin regarding the poisoning of King Joffrey. Perhaps he shared some of his wisdom with Elaria and helped her become somewhat immune to it? I say only somewhat since her nose started bleeding as well. Either way, poorly explained by the writers, stupid in execution. Great video, mate!
Its heavily implied that Jaqen strikes Arya when she says she hates The Hound because she doesnt actually hate him and might feel regret about leaving him to die
The smashing of the urn actually makes sense. It shows that nothing was added or removed sneakily.
That Cuzco reference had me choking 😂
I'm loving these error videos
The thing with the poison. A later season states that the poison could take different times to kill its intended target depending on their constitution (i think thats how they worded it). So Myrcella would die fast while the sand snake lady could have contact with it for a while.
Good work man!
Tyrion also makes Varys stop the cart on its way to Daenarys to go to a brothel that just happened to be the same one Ser Mormont was in
I actually don't dislike Dany's comment to Missandei, and thought it made sense. Missandei's a former slave, and *would* know who would suffer the most if Dany's rule/reign/conquest fails; the former slaves.
Yes but victimhood does not equal expertise. A mistake the writers doubled down on hard (same with Sansa).
This video feels padded. Half of these are arguably consistent
I tell people that the last great line, and the place to stop if they don't want to watch the bad writing, is when Greyworm says what he was afraid of.
So glad i found your channel. These vids are great
I binged it al after season 8, thought I’d have to wait longer for it to get bad but no, noticed the difference wit the season 5 premier and each season was subsequently worse, just so happens to be when they caught up to the books too, huh, funny coincidence. House of dragons source material is already complete tho, I’m super pumped for it
Many of the stated points are not mistakes. 😂😂
Care to give an example? ;)
The untertitles at 6:00 say „Sam superseeds Brienne…“, which probably still would make more sense than the last 3-4 seasons
I believe it makes sense that not only is season 5's error video shorter than the rest, but it also has the weakest arguments. Several of the "points" you make in this video are wrong or simply overlooking what everyone else saw in the show. Arya not hating the Hound was such a good scene and perfect character development. Breaking the wheel instead of stopping it was on brand for her character, a great line, and made sense for her character. She did not want to "win" the Game of Thrones, she wanted to *end* the Game of Thrones. The cracks were definitely starting to form in season 5, but it was not nearly as bad as this video makes it out to be. If anything, this video shows it was actually a pretty good season, when strawman arguments are needed to even make a somewhat lengthy critique of the show.
That said, I watched the videos in reverse order, which I am glad I did because of this interesting trend I saw in that order. Much like the unraveling of the show I experienced watching seasons 6-8 in order, I saw the unraveling of valid arguments in these videos going from 8-6 in reverse order. It was, in a way, a beautiful symmetry that enhanced this mini-series of critiques even better. If this was intentional, it was beautifully done. Otherwise, I imagine you just thought there would be a video worth of content for each season, but when making season 5 it just felt too short to be it's own video. I feel having seasons 5 and 6 together would have helped resolve this issue and have 3 lengthy and equally objective videos instead of 2 that were iffy and 2 that were really objective. Either way, I watched and enjoyed all of them, so well done!
Thanks a lot for the kind words! Glad you liked the video series :)
With regards to your objections, it's clear what they wanted to say (Arya didn't hate the Hound anymore & Dany wants to change things permanently), it's just that the way they did it didn't reinforce that sentiments as intended, if you do stop to think about it.
Arya didn't hate the Hound, but how did Jaqen know that when Arya herself believed the words coming out of her mouth?
Dany wants to "break the wheel", but what does that mean? Not in theory, practically speaking; what does she want to do differently from other rulers? This question is never answered as far as I can see.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 Great questions! To the best of my understanding when first watching the show:
For a real world answer to a work of high fantasy, and how I personally took it, I will offer the real world ability to read people. With it, it is not hard to tell when someone is saying what they want to believe versus what they actually believe. Williams (Arya's actress) seemed to have been directed to make these subtle signs when delivering the line, because I saw them on my first watch through. Sure, I had the meta ability to see her journey, so I knew it might not be true anymore, but it was how she said it that confirmed it, not Jaqen's response.
Williams is a very talented actress and this scene is one where I think that really shines through. Those who are not finely tuned to pick up such nuance would miss it, which is most of us, so why have the actress include the nuance? The only reason I can think of is because that was how Jaqen knew, and this was just another example of GoT going above and beyond in attention to detail.
For a fantasy answer to the question, The Faceless Men are ordained by a god that grants them frankly supernatural abilities. Knowing who is supposed to die, face stealing/duplicating, and causing illusions, to name a few. So, maybe lie-detection is among their god-given abilities. It would certainly explain why they have the lying game in the first place.
The "Dany smash" line is a lot less subject to speculation, IMO. We were constantly shown how she would rule, and how that would differ from the status quo of the world. She wanted to ban slavery, stop what she considered war crimes from being the norm, grant more rights to the common folk, topple class systems, etc. All of these goals are in direct conflict with how the world operates, meaning simply stopping the wheel once she is on top is not enough. She needs to break the entire foundation of the system that allows the game of thrones, and all other things she hates, to thrive.
Sure, they could have given us a 12 minute monologue about what exactly she intends to do once she is on the throne, but the snarky remark fit the scene a lot better, and I do not see what would have been added by elaborating. That would be telling, not showing, and we see what she means the entire story, so it would have been redundant. It would have also been out of character, seeing as Dany is the Mother of One-liners, Khaleesi of Sass, and Breaker of Conversations. ;-)
@@peaceandloveusa6656 Yeah I can see the Arya one potentially being as you say. Jaqen might have been able to detect her efforts to want her words to be true, despite knowing they're not.
However, I'm not sure there's enough backing in the books to say that the faceless men have divine powers :P
Blood-magic or sourcery, sure.
With regards to Danaerys breaking the wheel, the things you bring up still don't offer a fundamental change. Banning slavery and granting rights is just policy. If she really wanted to shake things up, she's introduce a completely new governing system, like democracy or something. It would be really tacky, but it would certainly break the wheel.
Her being another monarch with her own agenda doesn't break diddly :P
@@CultureVultureMedia1 I have never read the books, wont until if/when they finish, but that's fair. I don't know how much magic is attributed to them in the books, if any.
Dany did seem to be another monarch, which is a problem, because every monarchy can be different, so that might have benefited from some clarification. We never saw anything in the show that suggested she wouldn't be a monarch with her own rules, which would have been easily undone when "the wheel kept rolling." So I have to side with you on that one that it would have been nice to know what she would have done in the specifics of breaking the wheel. :)
@@peaceandloveusa6656 This has been a very sensible conversation. Thank you for breaking the trend xD
Seriously though, thanks for sharing your perspective! :)
The idea of Brien's valeryen sword breaking other swords in pieces when striking and piercing armor does make sense. Its always said that valeryan steel is the best steel in the whole world of GOT. So roasting it isn't fair. I can stand behind that but the rest of the season really starts going downhill.
I just realized from rewatching the shows and watching all the vids on the internet, HOW THE HELL DID BRON (not calling him sir!) SURVIVE??? He even told tyrion that he would kill babies for the right price. Plus all the double dealing he did in the end just for self enrichment. He doesnt have a selfless bone in his body!
I happened to have closed captions on and saw this slipped in, 15:28 I died lol
i think mostly everything wrong with Bronn is due to the fact that in the Books Sir Ilyn Payne went to Dorne together with Jaime Lannister. There also Jaime talked with Payne about his relationship with Cersei and so on, because of the fact that Payne is mute. In the Show however Bronn accompanied Jaime, due to the fact that the actor of Ilyn Payne got cancer and so could not play him in season 4 and 5.
So i forgive the writers for these mistakes.
Jaime never went to dorne with Ilyn Payne in the books… in the books it’s a different kings guard that goes after dark star for cutting myrcellas face… Jaime went with Brienne in the riverlands because of stone heart
Season 5 was a blank slate for them to do amazing things. They still had so much from the books to use, and the show was extremely popular. Would of been the perfect chance to introduce the other characters from the series and pace it.. They could of easily asked for more funding from HBO at that point and perhaps done 12-13 episodes. Jamie should of gone to Riverun and Dorne could of actually been amazing. If they started to rush in season 5, no wonder we had so many issues each season after.
It was a massive crossroads where they chose the shortcut. The Dorne plot and characters was changed beyond recognition, and thus cut the runtime of the narrative down by seasons worth. Same with Tyrion's plot and Young Griff.
@@CultureVultureMedia1 that's a good way of putting it. The short cut
i can't even focus when Missandei is on screen, the most beautiful person
She has that effect on people.
Season 5 and 6 is the hottest Missandei
Why is Dany saying to Missandei that she 'knows who will suffer most if it all falls apart' weird to you? She was a slave her whole life....if it falls apart slaves will suffer the most....it makes perfect sense. It doesn't mean Missandei would have the most insight on the matter...but the statement still makes sense.
Breaking and stopping literally mean two different things. You stop a wheel in order to restart it later, breaking it means replacing it or fixing it.