He wasn't being taken for a ride by Ken. He knows exactly what he was doing. He is a glorified salesman and a gold digger. Hence he wasn't looking for an investment out of Caan because he knows the ship has sailed. He was looking for a review for advertisement, so he asked "how is the product James?" It was a win win situation for him.
@@Islamicknowledge-yx8rt Nope 😁 Of course you do get those people who really have a good pitch BUT... The most dramatic is of the 2 guys who were trying the “Pyramid scheme.” Which if you’ve seen the American version of Dragons Den, it’s called “Shark Tank” lol watch @Coffeezilla ruclips.net/video/guY6w20Lv6o/видео.html
He was basically wanting them to take all the risk. He only technically had 3 yrs righrs to the patent so if ofher dude pulled the rug investirs left with nothing
What a weasel. Claims to own 100% of the product. After questions of patenting came up, up comes a new name: Ken. All of a sudden it’s ‘we’ not ‘me’. And Ken owns the products rights everywhere except Europe. The only place where the patent has been pending for 3 years. This guy’s whole set up stinks to high hell.
0:22 "my company" 0:24 "meibabie is a brand I created." 0:39 "Abbey is a push-chair WE built." 2:31 "meibabie is a new company." 3:00 "100 per cent mine... at the moment." (when asked by Theo, "and who owns this company?") 3:03 "yeah" (when asked by Theo, "and you're doing this on your own.") Six false statements in three minutes. I'm out.
At 2:59 he said to Theo, "I own 100% of the company, but then he said to James at 11:59, "I never said I owned the company." *It sounds like his partner in the States is using him.*
Don't these people watch Dragons den before they go on. You are not gonna get investment unless 1. You fully own the company 2. Its your only job 3. You have a patent 4. You are not hiding another business 5. Jenny is not sitting in the seat
people with part equity have gotten investments before BUT it has to have a fair selling point and it helps when two or more of the shareholders are in the den
Just a bit later: “Ken designed it.” “WE went to China” turned into “HE went to China” And there were a few more of those changes in his pitch/babbling.
The deal wasn’t "too confusing for the dragons to invest." It was pretty simple, really - this guy couldn’t be trusted to tell the truth. You don’t go into business with someone you can’t trust, especially when you know they don’t own the rights to what they’re selling.
"if by own the product you mean that I am an unpaid intern with the contractual right to sell the product on the condition that three years from now the patent holder can then end the contract and seize all my profits and business as their intellectual property... Then yes I own the product."
Agreed, he started off saying he owned 100% of the business (which you would think includes the ip when it is the main product he is selling) & he even brought up the patents in China & the US (knowing damn well they couldn’t sell there) - trying to make the deal sound more lucrative than it was
He is currently doing this business on the third company. The first and second was dissolved. He seems to be doing okay (celebs sponsorships and being stocked in Lidl etc) Has a lot of bad reviews online though.
It's surprising how many middlemen try to get investments on this show. "I'm technically dropshipping this product please give me a quarter million buckaroonies."
I don't know whether I like this product. I can see the appeal in it, it's not always easy to find baby changing facilities. I've got to question whether it's actually more hygienic to change a baby in the same spot they relax, play with their rattle that they stick in their mouth, throw their dummy around and sometimes eat. Also, anyone who's seen baby poop will know full well that it's normally not solid. If any of that poop gets onto the wheels of the pushchair without the parents knowledge, it's be all over Tesco before you know it!
Not a mom, but I am the oldest of 8 kids and have changed a fair number of diapers in my time. It'll be easier to have a fold up mat, and put that on a park bench, or even on the grass to change your baby. And then that mat goes in your diaper bag and not where the baby sits. I could never justify buying a stroller with this added feature to replace an item you can sometimes get free in a box of diapers (where my mom got one of her changing mats), or even just use one of your baby blankets and accept that it's going in the wash the second you get home. Plus, strollers are not hygienic at all. You store them in the garage or the trunk of your car - both of which can get all sorts of rodent and bug infestations - and i'd bet most people don't wipe their strollers down regularly. My mom got a stroller from a friend that straight up changed colours when she put the fabric parts through the wash. It's not a good product, its a gimmick product that first time moms will buy because it's got that extra feature, and then they'll use the stroller, but not the changing table
Evan Davis: Will the child patent hold up to the scrutiny of the dragons? Peter: I've examined this patent and you've only patentented your childs hair. Deborah and I could easilly replicate this idea without the hair. Deborah: I disagree with Peter, I don't think we could replicate this idea! I think you've got something here, it's a shame the patent is worthless. I'm out! Theo: I'm not wasting my child's inheritance on your child. I'm out!
3:15 When he said "highchairs" I first thought he said it accidentally instead of "buggy" under pressure. And when it turned out not to be the case, that's where I knew it'd all go wrong..😂
So basically, this guy had enough money to incubate another guy's product, but not enough to actually distribute on his own and make his own riches in his limited time frame. This guy got had.
He "forgot" to mention in his pitch that he only had European distribution rights to the product and he let it slip that he had some sort of conflict with his existing business partners. I'm surprised all Dragons seem to have missed that slip but maybe it was because they had already made up their mind.
he should have just said he already works in a nursery supplies business, he wants to set one up on his own, he already sold highchairs to aldi and now he has a deal on this innovative new product etc. etc. instead of making out he invented this pushchair
I thought the second the dragons heard about that £1,000,000 pound turnover all the dragons were going to spend the rest of the pitch trying to become a shareholder of that business
That company is owned by Adam and 2 other guys. Adam alone is not in a position to give a portion of that company away, unless he takes a large cut out of his portion and gives it to the Dragon(s).
You could tell by the look on his face that he knew he was chancing his arm. Did he really think he could out wit these highly experienced entrepreneurs
@@benthompson8256 The point @Mr Paul was trying to make is that he was clearly hiding information which is a big red flag, it got nothing to do with where "all the dragons started"
@@leeshanpillay1253 here’s the thing. The deals you see on the show are not final by any means. What you see in the show is a handshake and then both parties go into a due diligence phase where they get to look into the books of the company before any contracts are signed. There is no chance that an investment would have been made in this product without the investor discovering his complete lack of ownership of the IP and distribution rights. So really what you have here is a person who got into the show for the publicity.
@@tuilleri the short of it is this. Ken has used this guy to help set up certain if not many areas of the business while at the same time using paper work to crucify him an cut him out of the deal. An then Ken used the dragons to break the news to him after its all said an done. Not to mention the product which is highly marketable an will likely make big money in markets outside of Europe and the uk regardless . A product that because of the help of him Ken can now pretty much already take it to market wherever. On top this guy is expected to maintain a large “hype” to continue the business while complying with sales targets. An if he can’t manage that then all is lost anyways. He was screwed on every level
I love those socks. I would have to wear them to work to comply with dress code.Add socks with print and beautiful colors all the way up the sock, I would buy both styles to wear.♡☆♡☆
It looks like your ordinary baby stroller with just that extra fold out tray feature for changing. Nothing special. There’s tons of competition in the market for strollers.
Yeah, my gut instinct was correct. This guy is effectively a proxy for this unknown unseen person who is the inventor and ultimate business owner (despite not currently a shareholder or director - very shady); he has a fulltime day job, and was trying to con a dragon into investing into the company to boost the EU distribution whilst he effectively extracted a commission of the sales in the form of a salary for his time and effort. I would be surprised if "Ken" wasn't someone he has only spoken to online.... and required the investment and promotion to actually secure the distribution deal. If he got the investment (guy is naive to think there wouldn't be thorough due diligence) within minutes of the episode airing Ken would have this product on Amazon, bypassing that business entirely.
I hate those kind of people. I'm not even sure if they're aware that they're being dishonest. Or maybe they just don't care. They'll never give you any kind of vindication or admission of guilt.
Ramei Malek
Watching this in 2024
‘In business, I hate misunderstandings’
Theo sounding like he’s about to have him whacked
He wasn't being taken for a ride by Ken. He knows exactly what he was doing. He is a glorified salesman and a gold digger. Hence he wasn't looking for an investment out of Caan because he knows the ship has sailed. He was looking for a review for advertisement, so he asked "how is the product James?" It was a win win situation for him.
Convincing myself I watch dragons den for the business lecture when really I'm here for the drama
@Alberto Demo
Same here haha
Does anyone watch it for any other reason 😂😂😂
Wait people actually for the business lecture?
@@Islamicknowledge-yx8rt Nope 😁
Of course you do get those people who really have a good pitch BUT... The most dramatic is of the 2 guys who were trying the “Pyramid scheme.” Which if you’ve seen the American version of Dragons Den, it’s called “Shark Tank” lol watch @Coffeezilla
ruclips.net/video/guY6w20Lv6o/видео.html
Ugh when I find out its a good investment and dragons are interested im a little disappointed...... im here to see the real shite ideas
"Do you own the company?"
Well yes but actually yesn't.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
He may own "My Baby" the legal structure of a business, but he doesn't own the baby stroller product.
Yeah but no
Anyone think of Vicky Pollard in “Little Britain”
“Yeah but no but yeah but no but………………”
But through all of this remember, Rory is still out there finding seaweed for the bravest woman he knows.
That brave brave woman who runs a £7 million business but doesn't know the difference between gross and net profit
@@davidmellish3295 @Mark S Lol
Pmfsl lol 👏👏👏😂😂😂
My stiches almost burst!
@@davidmellish3295 Yeah, but that's not taking into account Bryan's figures
He was basically wanting them to take all the risk.
He only technically had 3 yrs righrs to the patent so if ofher dude pulled the rug investirs left with nothing
Damn he's actually doing well, selling on Argos, Lidl and other places with hundreds of good reviews.
If shitting the bed was a person.........
What a weasel. Claims to own 100% of the product. After questions of patenting came up, up comes a new name: Ken. All of a sudden it’s ‘we’ not ‘me’. And Ken owns the products rights everywhere except Europe. The only place where the patent has been pending for 3 years. This guy’s whole set up stinks to high hell.
It honestly sounds like he got tricked and scammed by that ken guy
"So, who is Ken?" I snorted.
0:22 "my company"
0:24 "meibabie is a brand I created."
0:39 "Abbey is a push-chair WE built."
2:31 "meibabie is a new company."
3:00 "100 per cent mine... at the moment." (when asked by Theo, "and who owns this company?")
3:03 "yeah" (when asked by Theo, "and you're doing this on your own.")
Six false statements in three minutes. I'm out.
2 friends develop a product.
He’s not an owner… he’s a distributor. Sales target? Distro.
At 2:59 he said to Theo, "I own 100% of the company, but then he said to James at 11:59, "I never said I owned the company."
*It sounds like his partner in the States is using him.*
This guy is so shady he's the umbrella on a sunny day.
Is that the magician from the IT crowd?
From St Albans, says it all
Don't these people watch Dragons den before they go on. You are not gonna get investment unless
1. You fully own the company
2. Its your only job
3. You have a patent
4. You are not hiding another business
5. Jenny is not sitting in the seat
Well said 😅💪
@@benjaminwilliams2404 You could probably work around the first four.
people with part equity have gotten investments before BUT it has to have a fair selling point and it helps when two or more of the shareholders are in the den
And don't forget
6. You know your numbers
...and you haven't included Brian's figures which are separate.
In every dragons den video comment section, there is atleast one mention of seaweed lol.
'We wanted to be different from other prams... so we fit a flow signal'
It's _green_ in colour
‘It can be seen from 360 degrees, and mimics the flow of oncoming traffic’
Hahahahaha....I actually get that
Excellent comment. I, and the nation, salute you
Haha
Did you see at 11:05, Adam called Khan "JAMESEY"😉🤗
"We designed it"..
Is the patent in your name? "Ken's name"
All of the patents? "Yep" 😉😂
Just a bit later: “Ken designed it.”
“WE went to China” turned into “HE went to China”
And there were a few more of those changes in his pitch/babbling.
Never tell the dragons you have another company lmao
''I own this product 100% yes,,'' ''Im not saying I own this product'' JEEZ lol
I can’t believe they didn’t go in on that!!!
I love how Duncan says "ma bebie"
Because it reminds you of a certain Austin Powers Character? 😁
Caller: Hello? I need help changing my baby.
PramDoctor: Take it to a changing room.
Plot twist: the doll in the pram is actually livestreaming to a furious Ken.
😂😂😂
Laughing* why would he care?
8:16 Sorry to disturb your lunch Duncan?! 😂
The deal wasn’t "too confusing for the dragons to invest." It was pretty simple, really - this guy couldn’t be trusted to tell the truth. You don’t go into business with someone you can’t trust, especially when you know they don’t own the rights to what they’re selling.
His face reminds me of one of those AI dolls.
😂😂😂
Plot twist, he looks a little like Jude Law in A.I.
@James Cricket I was just going by his voice.
Its in his eyes and skin colour tone
@@johnmc3862 and Cillian Murphy
Jenny follows Deborah's switch analogy to Amish proportions
The guy is actually very cute 😅
Plot twist: Ken is his imaginary friend.
or he is ken and adam is imaginary
🤣🤣
where's barbie in all this ?
Ken is his alter ego
Haha yes
“I own the product.”
10 min later:
“I’m not saying I own the product.”
He will suit well in a second hand car dealership.
"if by own the product you mean that I am an unpaid intern with the contractual right to sell the product on the condition that three years from now the patent holder can then end the contract and seize all my profits and business as their intellectual property... Then yes I own the product."
:D
You summoned up everything I was wondering. I think that guy just realized it too!
You know how many products Apple's made that they never "invented"? Pretty much all of them.
@@Marsalien100 don't compare Apple to this dude 😂😂
@@TryPuttingItInRice yes, apple is the BIG scammer
He wasn't being complicated, he was being dishonest. They had to drag the truth out of him.
Not sure... looks like an old pitch from years ago, the dragons diplomacy is much better now.
no
Agreed, he started off saying he owned 100% of the business (which you would think includes the ip when it is the main product he is selling) & he even brought up the patents in China & the US (knowing damn well they couldn’t sell there) - trying to make the deal sound more lucrative than it was
@@ondskefull1105 bingo
He is currently doing this business on the third company. The first and second was dissolved. He seems to be doing okay (celebs sponsorships and being stocked in Lidl etc) Has a lot of bad reviews online though.
It's surprising how many middlemen try to get investments on this show. "I'm technically dropshipping this product please give me a quarter million buckaroonies."
I don't know whether I like this product. I can see the appeal in it, it's not always easy to find baby changing facilities. I've got to question whether it's actually more hygienic to change a baby in the same spot they relax, play with their rattle that they stick in their mouth, throw their dummy around and sometimes eat.
Also, anyone who's seen baby poop will know full well that it's normally not solid. If any of that poop gets onto the wheels of the pushchair without the parents knowledge, it's be all over Tesco before you know it!
Indeed is a great idea, but not his.
Not a mom, but I am the oldest of 8 kids and have changed a fair number of diapers in my time.
It'll be easier to have a fold up mat, and put that on a park bench, or even on the grass to change your baby. And then that mat goes in your diaper bag and not where the baby sits. I could never justify buying a stroller with this added feature to replace an item you can sometimes get free in a box of diapers (where my mom got one of her changing mats), or even just use one of your baby blankets and accept that it's going in the wash the second you get home.
Plus, strollers are not hygienic at all. You store them in the garage or the trunk of your car - both of which can get all sorts of rodent and bug infestations - and i'd bet most people don't wipe their strollers down regularly. My mom got a stroller from a friend that straight up changed colours when she put the fabric parts through the wash.
It's not a good product, its a gimmick product that first time moms will buy because it's got that extra feature, and then they'll use the stroller, but not the changing table
streamoflillies - love your comments.
I was thinking it was just there as a ready surface and the mat would go on the stroller table.
Junk
Deborah at meeting a woman.
Woman: I have a child.
Deborah: do you have a patent for that child?
Evan Davis: Will the child patent hold up to the scrutiny of the dragons?
Peter: I've examined this patent and you've only patentented your childs hair. Deborah and I could easilly replicate this idea without the hair.
Deborah: I disagree with Peter, I don't think we could replicate this idea! I think you've got something here, it's a shame the patent is worthless. I'm out!
Theo: I'm not wasting my child's inheritance on your child. I'm out!
What do you mean my child's patented? Of course it is! They share DNA with me!
Hilarious!
“Let me read the documents”
10:00 “…In business, I hate misunderstandings…”
Theo giving off such mob boss vibes here
😂
Too bad people call him the fetus. Not a very intimidating mob boss with that name
“We wouldn’t want to see anything bad happening to your nice, little business now, would we, my friend?” 😂
Misunderstandings require... *solutions*
If my daughter came home with this guy I would be pretty mad. Doesn’t seem like a stand-up guy.
Tbf most guys that come home with someone's daughter would much rather be a laying down kind of guy 😜
Can i come back home with your daughter ?
Well yeah, he is dishonest.
Ken is the inventor, and Barbie is in the Pram 🤣🤣🤣
Who the hell shows up with the product if they dont own it? And who ever does own it is not there? Why?
Duncan literally destroyed this guy's existence.
"My patent, your lease is up, its mine now."
Lmfao.
How is that "literally destroying his existence"?
@@BenjaminGoose
Just a thing zoomers say now. They don't know the defintion of 'literally' and everyones ends everyones career apparently.
@@nuck- old man yells at clouds.
3:15 When he said "highchairs" I first thought he said it accidentally instead of "buggy" under pressure.
And when it turned out not to be the case, that's where I knew it'd all go wrong..😂
Lol i thought he said ichair
i can design a better pram in one hour🛒
Hi everyone, Ken here. Adam if you’re reading this.. it’s MY baby, not YOUR baby lol
"I'm also prepared to sell actual children. Well, Ken's children."
James Caan will buy them!
Sounds to me like Ken took this guy for a ride.
[sings like Marvel vs. Capcom 2] I wanna take you for a ride...!
Sold the guy 2 containers of product and gave him a deadline to sell it before he'd sell him more.
Is Ken also a shareholder in the other company? Or is it like Fightclub and Ken is his alter ego.. 🤔
He was dishonest I will never work with this type of person.
He’s a liar coz he said at the beginning he owned the product 100%
I’m watching to learned
The company is still going apparently...
This is what happens when you have control without responsibility
isn't that what Ken has over this guy's part of the company?
So basically, this guy had enough money to incubate another guy's product, but not enough to actually distribute on his own and make his own riches in his limited time frame. This guy got had.
The dude looks like a skinny Peter Lorre caricature from a Looney tunes cartoon
Jenny’s out and she wasnt even there
Has she EVER invested in anyone?
Why is she wasting everyone's time?
This dude has crazy eyes
Right? He gives me bad vibes!
Yep, something didn't sit right watching him... As well as listening to how he responds, there's something wierd about him.
@@love922007 ken made me do it.
He "forgot" to mention in his pitch that he only had European distribution rights to the product and he let it slip that he had some sort of conflict with his existing business partners. I'm surprised all Dragons seem to have missed that slip but maybe it was because they had already made up their mind.
And only for 3 years, he's basically a salesman for the owner. He's not a business owner he's just taken a new job.
And he kept using the pronoun "we" not "I". Wondered who he was refering to, then we found out.
I like James Khan
Duncan the king
Plot twist: Ken is his alter ego...
Shonky Shonksta!
Adam.should be a model! He's Rawr.
he should have just said he already works in a nursery supplies business, he wants to set one up on his own, he already sold highchairs to aldi and now he has a deal on this innovative new product etc. etc. instead of making out he invented this pushchair
Now look at how big my babbie is now
I thought the second the dragons heard about that £1,000,000 pound turnover all the dragons were going to spend the rest of the pitch trying to become a shareholder of that business
They would have. But that partnership situation turned them off
That company is owned by Adam and 2 other guys. Adam alone is not in a position to give a portion of that company away, unless he takes a large cut out of his portion and gives it to the Dragon(s).
@@jietroraximoff2805 plus I bet they smelt a rat.... why would he need them given his main business?
Me too 😉.
My baby’s limited. Brilliant.
Did he just say, "How do you feel about it Jamesie?" 11:10
Semantics...."I didn't say I owned the product" but you DID say you owned the company!
Anyone can setup a company. It costs £35.
Deborah: Is that a patent in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
He looks so prim and proper. The movie that Jude Law was in where he was an android. This guy looks like that.
You could tell by the look on his face that he knew he was chancing his arm. Did he really think he could out wit these highly experienced entrepreneurs
That's exactly how all the dragons started, just chancing their arm. None of them started off as experienced entrepreneurs
@@benthompson8256 The point @Mr Paul was trying to make is that he was clearly hiding information which is a big red flag, it got nothing to do with where "all the dragons started"
@@leeshanpillay1253 here’s the thing. The deals you see on the show are not final by any means. What you see in the show is a handshake and then both parties go into a due diligence phase where they get to look into the books of the company before any contracts are signed. There is no chance that an investment would have been made in this product without the investor discovering his complete lack of ownership of the IP and distribution rights. So really what you have here is a person who got into the show for the publicity.
The uploader is strategically uploading at lunch time now
He or she knows 👍🏾
Rightly so!
Depends in the world where you are
They always have tbh
Yes, he's publishing the videos while he's having his lunch. And we are watching while having ours.
Ken knew this was going to happen.
So why did he let it happen
@@tuilleri To confirm his suspicions and mess him up later.
@@cekojuna6930 huh ? Explain more please
@@tuilleri the short of it is this. Ken has used this guy to help set up certain if not many areas of the business while at the same time using paper work to crucify him an cut him out of the deal. An then Ken used the dragons to break the news to him after its all said an done. Not to mention the product which is highly marketable an will likely make big money in markets outside of Europe and the uk regardless . A product that because of the help of him Ken can now pretty much already take it to market wherever. On top this guy is expected to maintain a large “hype” to continue the business while complying with sales targets. An if he can’t manage that then all is lost anyways. He was screwed on every level
@@IPR36 I’m starting to suspect Ken is a evil genus
*Theo The Foetus does not like this baby chair*
I love those socks. I would have to wear them to work to comply with dress code.Add socks with print and beautiful colors all the way up the sock, I would buy both styles to wear.♡☆♡☆
He and Ken are the same person. Fight Club style.
Ken is the baby dummy figure in the pram
He'd make a great car salesman. Never honest and full of bull.
Haha I was thinking time share salesman lol
When you call a foldable flap, a "changing facility" ..... i bet he has a 'there is no i in team' mug.
Teamwork makes the dream work
And then he became a foldable flap!
It looks like your ordinary baby stroller with just that extra fold out tray feature for changing. Nothing special. There’s tons of competition in the market for strollers.
Total equity of the company in most recent accounts is just over £1000
This isn't taking in account of Brian's figures... Those are separate...
He won't be merging with these guys and will be walking home.
@@cuttlefisch 🤣😂🤣 yes!!! 🤣😂🤣
Plot twist: ken is the doll in the pram
drama is everything....
12:39 not impressed.
Who owns this company? 2:50 😂
Theo the foetus: this sounds like my kind of product
Yeah, my gut instinct was correct. This guy is effectively a proxy for this unknown unseen person who is the inventor and ultimate business owner (despite not currently a shareholder or director - very shady); he has a fulltime day job, and was trying to con a dragon into investing into the company to boost the EU distribution whilst he effectively extracted a commission of the sales in the form of a salary for his time and effort. I would be surprised if "Ken" wasn't someone he has only spoken to online.... and required the investment and promotion to actually secure the distribution deal. If he got the investment (guy is naive to think there wouldn't be thorough due diligence) within minutes of the episode airing Ken would have this product on Amazon, bypassing that business entirely.
is this a really sophisticated mlm?
This guy should've taken up modelling
This guy looks booky. He will snake u and act like nothing happened.
I hate those kind of people. I'm not even sure if they're aware that they're being dishonest. Or maybe they just don't care. They'll never give you any kind of vindication or admission of guilt.
my thoughts exactly
Thought he was Freddie Mercury lol
Damn it Ken.
Didn't this guy have another electric rickshaw car thingy pitch on this show? Or does he just look very similar to that guy??