2021 Men's 90 mm All Mountain Ski Comparison with SkiEssentials.com
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- We're excited to share our first 2021 Comparison Video! As always, follow the links below to skip to the skis you're interested in:
00:00 - Introduction
1:40 Armada Declivity 92 Ti
4:25 Atomic Vantage 90 Ti
7:45 Blizzard Brahma 88
12:00 Blizzard Rustler 9
15:30 DPS Pagoda Piste 90 RP
18:50 Dynastar M-Pro 90
24:20 Elan Ripstick 88
28:10 Fischer Ranger 92 Ti
31:40 Head Kore 93
35:40 K2 Mindbender 90Ti
40:55 Kastle MX88
45:40 Liberty evolv90
49:35 Nordica Enforcer 88
54:30 Rossignol Experience 92 and 88 Ti
59:20 Salomon Stance 90
1:04:30 Stockli Stormrider 88
1:09:30 Volkl Kendo 88
Link to Written Comparison: www.skiessentials.com/Chairli...
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Watching your long, technical comparisons makes me feel both excited and relaxed.
Feels solidly like autumn here in Michigan. Oh boy, I'm starting to get excited for this coming season!
Appreciate the passing of all this information from experience. Talked me into a Volkl M5. Now I’m learning to ski all over! Exciting! So many good skis on the wall.
Glad you found it useful, Stewart! Enjoy those M5s! Such a good ski.
Yes! tree skiing video when showing Vantages, bumps in Brahma. Love it, this is a huge improvement to just watching groomer railing. You guys are awesome
Thanks! We listen to all the comments and feedback on here and a lot of people asked for more variety in our skiing footage. That's something we're going to continue to put a lot of focus on. I'm hoping to get some different shots this season than you typically see from us.
Good to see you guys back together again...makes things feel normal.
Bob and I enjoy it just as much as you do!!
Great to see you guys back! Been waiting for this..
Excellent work gentlemen--amazing detailed recall of the specifications of these skiis, impressive knowledge of your products...I still have no idea what skii is for me...but I enjoyed learning more about the nuances of the construction each manufacturer uses
this 1 hour 15 min video took me 2,5 hours to watch :p rewinding at times analyzing what you guys say + looking at written parts :p
Means a lot that you take that much time watching our content! Hope you're enjoying the 2021 comparisons, more to come this week!
Love your videos guys! You played a major role in my decision to buy the Rustler 9 2020 a month ago and I can't wait for winter to finally begin to test it.
Great choice! Such a fun ski. Happy to hear you find our videos useful!
Haven’t even got through the video yet but I’ve been waiting for this one!
Great summary guys! Thank you! (an hour of geeky ski talk is super enjoyable, for me at least)
So glad you enjoy them! More to come!
It was worth every second to watch this informative video and you guys really made it easy for us how to decide our next upgrades !!
Thanks Bobby! Glad you found it useful!
Thanks for the side by side rival comparisons. Amazing video!
Glad you liked it!
Love watching these videos (all the way through too). Ton of insight here.
So glad you're finding them useful, Josh!
Missed you guys!
I hope for this season you can do also a video on 80 mm skis.
Hope we all have a good season!
Planning on it!
Well done guys. Informative comparisons. You represent Ski Essentials very well.
Much appreciated!
Thanks for the review guys, I’ve just ordered a new pair of Kendo 88’s. I have 2 weeks booked in 3 valleys in France, hopefully I can travel there ok and enjoy them and COVID restrictions don’t ruin it for me.
Great choice! Hope you have a fantastic season and everyone stays safe over there in France!
Stoked to see your first 2021 reviews! Also looking forward to first chair with the Kendo 88s I ordered based on your review last year. Awesome job as usual - hope to see you guys in Stowe this winter.
Let us know if you're in the area, Eric! Always fun to ski with new people.
Hi Eric I love my 2020 Kendo 88 so easy to ski among trees, great on groomers, versatile and fun.
Always the best reviews!
Love your videos, guys!
Nice review - such a great category of skis. One thing that would be really helpful is if you briefly mentioned weight and flex of each ski and maybe give a hand flex of each ski like you did with the Ripstick 88. Cheers.
Great job guys!
yes i love you guys you guys are the best and i love skiing
brilliant overview - thanks
Can’t wait for this season!! I hope my trip to Lake Louise doesn’t get cancelled 🙏🏻🤞
Fingers are collectively crossed over here too!!
I love watching your guys videos.
Thanks Tad!
Love hearing what you guys have to say I watched the whole thing although I think I was pretty much sold on the first set lol
Hey guys, really appreciate your thorough reviews. I've been watching them the last several days to figure out what I want to replace my aging pair of K2 Shockwaves. I'm really drawn to the Mindbenders and Fischer Rangers that you cover in this video.
Glad you're finding them useful! The Mindbenders and Rangers are both great skis. Both have a nice blend of power and stability with some versatility and a touch of playfulness in soft snow. Let us know if you need any help deciding between the two, although it's hard to go wrong with either.
Thank you for the great video! I am coming from the older planky Kendo, I am hesitating between the M-Pro 90 and Kendo 88. Thank you!
Hard to go wrong with that decision as they're both fantastic skis. M-Pro is a little more versatile, slightly easier in moguls and stuff like that. Kendo pulls you into a carve more, so I think it's fair to say it's the better carving ski, but the M-Pro holds its own. M-Pro just requires more skier input as the tip has that long taper shape so doesn't feel like it's pulling you into a turn like a ski with a wider tip, like the Kendo. Hope that helps! Let us know if you hVE ny other questions.
2021 ski comparison are here!!!! Pray's the lord!!!!!!!!!
Don’t worry. We are still listening 😁
Fantastic!!!!!!
As an owner, because of this channel, of the Enforcer 88, I think Bob's last comment sums it up perfectly, 'when I put a fresh edge of these, they are incredible'. It's actually the reason I bought them after watching the very original review and then lucking out the next weekend after they were demoed at my local hill on an icy day - and I was simply blown away at their grip on ice. The other wow was the 2nd last comment from Geoff about the effective edge dramatically lengthening it you get the ski very tipped over - I was able to do this on a semi-powder day and the ski absolutely transformed where all of a sudden, I was skiing the entire length of the ski. The ski was so amazing and fun that my very, very ex high-level female racer partner immediately stole them from me and skied the rest of the season on them. She ultimately bought a pair for herself in the 172 length (mine are 179) and we put a lighter direct mount binding and she prefers the slightly lighter feel. I will say that having skied her 172s, they actually felt stiffer to me, and less 'fun' - and I wonder if this is an example of the longer ski lengths sometimes being easier to ski
The entire Enforcer series is simply amazing. I have a pair of 3 year old 100mm Enforcers in 177 cm and it has just been an amazing experience. Best ski I have ever owned in terms of a one quiver ski. Paul -- what is your height and weight? Sounds like you are an expert skier. I am 5 foot 9 and weigh 160 lbs. I've lost some weight during CV-19 and believe an 88 underfoot ski may be better for the 2020-21 season at a lighter weight. Your thoughts?
@@brycewilliams98 we're the same height but I'm 185-190. My partner is 5'6" 150, but the real expert (like serious racing expert), and she absolutely rips my 179s - but as I said, I honestly think the 179s skis easier than the 172s that she ended up buying - and because of the large amount of front early rocker, I think the 179 is really only a 163 camber ski, so I would go with the longer ski but maybe at your weight, go with a direct mount lighter binding to save some weight - I put the Look NX 12 binding on her 172s and it's a great setup
@@wallstreetoneil Thanks! I have a distant cousin who raced for the US ski team also (girl). Whole 'nother level entirely. Great idea re: lighter bindings. I will check that out. Thanks, Paul. I am also curious about the new Volkl Kendo 88. Looks like a potentially nice all around ski also. I totally agree with these guys. The older Kendo's became to "plank like". Nice to seem the go back to the titanal / space frame setup. Much more grip.
@@brycewilliams98 for me, the issue with the Kendos, or any other very large radius ski, is where do you ski and how do you ski? I live in Ontario and ski north of Toronto at Blue Mountain with the Ikon Pass - but I also like to get to Tremblant once or twice a year to enjoy a much larger hill. If my home was Tremblant, a longer radius ski would be in my quiver because having only 1 1/2 knees (ski injury) I sometimes ski way too fast because GS turns have less stress on my bad knee - so that is where the Kendo would come in. At my local Blue Mountain, I already ski way too fast using this style so an even faster radius would have the cops tracking me down. Now, if you are a good skier, I think you may be able to exploit the center section of the Kendo by really bending the ski - but as Geoff said, at his 150#s (skinny American not hulky German), maybe his weight prevents him from doing this as easily as a guy like Bob can do - I think at my weight it might likely ski much easily in that zone that it would for you at 160#s. Because of the shorter hills that I ski on, my other 'daily' ski is a Volkl Racetiger SL 170 - it's a beast of a ski, that has no upper-speed limit, but I personally love the shorter radius from a control perspective, but because it is also a 170, versus a 165 racer spec, the ski easily will seek out a larger radius for my old man ripping/cruising larger radius style - and it crashes crud given its mass and stiffness. Since I live in the East, with those 2 skis, I feel I have 95% of days covered - ice, groomers, and some fresh snow that isn't over 6" of powder - if I lived in the West, I would own different skis.
@@wallstreetoneil Great stuff. I still have a pair of killer Volkl 5 Stars for the same use case as your Racetigers. Great slalom ski. Crazy grip and tight turns in hard pack. I agree that I probably am not strong enough to drive the Kendo's in shorter radius turns. Thanks for the input. Here's hoping we both a) have a ski season and b) get some nice snow this season. I'm a Utah skier and this was the driest summer I could remember. Hopeful that does not carry over into winter. We will see. Good luck and happy skiing.
I’m rockin the armada arv 86’s, I’m super hyped for this season
Ken, on groomer/ hard pack are they decent at speed, not crazy fast but bombing down a run? Or is there chatter and / or not enough stability in your opinion? I wouldn’t really be using them for park even though that’s where they they are best, but Midwest groomer runs, bumps, 10% trees. I’ve been thinking about buying the 177’s this year, would love your feedback. Thanks
@@ck_defender I haven’t had a chance to ride them yet. Out session starts in a couple of weeks. I definitely plan on using them as more of a park ski. One of my friends had the arv184s and they seemed fine down our runs which are mostly groomers. They are a more stiff ski so I’m sure they wouldn’t have any issues as a free ride ski. I personally think for your application there are better choices but these skis are a great option for the price and the ability to go into the park.
2021 100mm underfoot comparison let's go!!
Coming right up!
Do this type of video for touring skis. Thanks.
Love these videos!
When is the 2021 freeride skis video coming out?:D
Btw. I have another question. Last year I tried for the first time a fully reverse camber ski and fell in love with it.
I bought a 4FRNT Devastator and its just amazing. Why isnt there more skis 100-110 with full reverse camber?
They are so hilarious to ride!
Today! We just released a mid-100 freeride video. To answer your question, I think it's because they're not particularly well-rounded. Super surfy, maneuverable, and an absolute hoot to ski, but a lot of skiers right now are looking for more edge grip and stability. People want it all, and reverse camber skis are more focused on particular performance than most people want.
Ordered a pair of the M-Pro 90 178cm for my AB/BC one(ish)-ski-quiver to couple with the Lange XT3s. I'm 5' 10", ~140lbs and would say I'm an advanced type 2 leaning more towards type 3 skier (I'll ski anything in the resort comfortably; mostly depends on the day, snow conditions, and group I'm with). Figure they'll be good for the resort skiing out here especially when I'm with friends of different abilities so I can ski anywhere with them. Your reviews and comparisons really helped me narrow it down. For reference, I was deciding between M-Pro 90 / 99, Mindbender 90C, Exp 88 Ti Basalt, Exp 92 Ti Basalt, and Mindbender 90Ti so hopefully I went with the right choice!
Great choice! Definitely a ski you can use with friends of different ability levels, and it's really versatile for a wide range of terrain. I think you'll be very happy with them.
Thanks for you review! Could you please give a rank of each ski in each aspect, like carving, mogul, groomed etc
When we started our Ski Test, Comparison Series, and other content, we specifically didn't want to rank skis from best to worst or give them numerical values, because ski performance is too subjective, at least in our opinion. That's why we do these longer videos and articles... to discuss the differences between each ski and how they might be perceived by different skiers. Are some better carving skis and some better mogul skis? Yes, certainly, but I would have a hard time choosing between something like the Ripstick 88 and Rustler 9 for "best mogul ski," for example, and I could throw others into that mix as well. They feel and perform differently, and one will work better for Skier X while the other might work better for Skier Y. Does that make sense? I hope I'm not frustrating you by not directly answering your question. If you have other questions about differences between specific models, I'd be happy to help figure out which ski would work best for you.
48:49 those are cool shots.
Crushing the crud!! Those shots make me want to go skiing really, really badly.
Im using the Rossignol Blackops Holyshred for this season.
Excellent choice! I loved testing that ski this year.
Great video as always! Any experience with the kendo 92?
It's very similar to the Kendo 88. We didn't get many of them in the United States originally, but it seems like they're trickling in to our market. Split the difference between the Kendo 88 and the M5 Mantra and you get a Kendo 92. Same build, same feel.
Hey, Love your reviews. Wish you would mention the radius on the skis when you talk about them. Just my opinion.
Hey Ron! We'll keep that in mind for sure. You can always find those stats in the written version of the comparison!
So glad I found your channel, great job, I have a question, I ski at Mammoth in CA, I have Elan DH skis for morning, uncrowded weekday cruising, Völkl Deacon 80s for grooming with friends and family, fat powder skis, We have some great steep narrow chutes up top that get rutted and bumpy, looking for something that has a more forgiving tail that will work in these and in the regular bumps. After watching all your reviews, I’m thinking the Fisher Ranger 94 FR?
The Fischer Ranger 94 FR is a great all-mountain ski that would round out your quiver. It is easily maneuverable due to its relatively lightweight construction and its rocker-camber-rocker profile. It would make a fun bump/tree ski and would handle some moderate snowfall or spring slush very well.
Guys thanks a ton. Took notes on every ski. I need help picking a new ski. 6’3” 250#, aggressive intermediate CO skier. Love speed but slowing down to 40 as the age creeps up.
Favorite skis have been Volkl RTM 84’s on groomers ( couldn’t get the 2016 Kendo’s to turn). Not a great powder skier, had a bad accident a couple years ago & lost my mojo. Bought QST99’s for softer /deeper stuff & like them a lot. But the RTM 84’s love to carve - until I get in the afternoon chop & the mojo suffers again.
Looking for something they can carve like the RTM84, but add some confidence in the crud or chop. Doesn’t need to float like the QST’s when it gets 4-8” - just need some more confidence when carving on groomers but find 1-3” of chop. Stance 90? Kore 87? Fischer Ranger?
Really appreciate your help.
Umm what, I’ve been skiing all my life and have had demos with 100s of skis and I can’t tell the difference between ANY of them at all, they all handle the same for me
Shocked to hear that. My QST99's float over crud & still carve a little, while my RTM's plow - even submarine - crud but carve really well. I've demo'd about 15-20 pairs, and even the difference between two similar skis is very noticeable to me.
Something in the low-mid-90 width range with some good stability would work really well. Stance 90, Enforcer 94, Ranger 92... those all feel like good choices. Lots of skis in that category these days and I think that would be best to fill that little niche in your quiver. Makes total sense to me that the RTM 84 is getting a little bogged down in the afternoon, nice to have a little more width and a little more rocker for snow like that.
Your toughts on the navigator 85 in the longest lenght for a 6'4 350lbs guy who likes short turn and medium speed who is based in the est (Quebec).Good tk see you guy again in 2021!!!
I think that'll work well for you, specifically because you mention shorter turns and medium speeds. I think that'll have plenty of stability for your size, partly thanks to the flatter tail, and you'll still be able to manipulate the ski into really short turns when you want to. Great Quebec/eastern ski!
I demoed so many of these skis and was disappointed with their performance especially on hardpack perhaps because I am a light skier then I demoed the Volkl Kendo 88 wow what a great fun ski in all conditions. Loved them them so much I purchased a pair!
Same for me! :)
When you say you're a light skier and you were disappointed, do you mean you don't have the weight to drive the skis onto their edges? I'm asking because I'm also a light skier for my height at 6' but I'm concerned also
@@jp4431 That is all I could put it down to. I am going to demo narrower skis for groomers only next season. I sold my Atomic Vantage 90CTI as they were too stiff for me. I am a tad over 6 feet and 158 lb. I found that the 2020 Elan Ripstick 88 would not hold an edge for me on hardpack groomers. I loved the Elan 88XTI on groomers though when I tried them a few years ago. My second favourite was the Salomon QST 92 but I just loved the Kendo 88s so easy to initiate or alter a turn, awesome carving ski and great skiing off-piste too amongst the trees because they turned exactly when I wanted them to turn. They feel light and I found I don't get as tired on them as other skis. I found them to be confidence inspiring and fun. My Kendos are 177 cm. Demo the Kendos JP. Let me know if you love a certain ski especially the narrower versions.
@@patrickpurcell3671 thanks for the feedback, it’s helped me buy a new pair of Kendo 88’s 😁
Awesome Mbal 40 you will love the Kendo 88. Thanks!
Yeah boys!
Just picked me up a pair of enforcer 88s, just need a good pair of bindings and I’m ready to shred
Lots of good binding options for the Enforcer 88! Attack 13s and Griffons both offer good performance at a reasonable price, we often recommend those. There are, of course, plenty of other options as well. Don't hesitate to reach out if you want to chat about options.
Great comparison as usual and yes did watch it all 😎
How does the Fischer compare to Kendo and then the Kastle?
Like to ski fast 60% of the time, but also hit the trees and side country for the rest. Cheers
Thanks Freddy! The Ranger 92 is the most versatile among that group, in my opinion, with the Kendo 88 in a close second in terms of versatility. It goes the other way when talking about precision and power on firm snow, MX 88 first, then Kendo, then Ranger 92. So, for your application, I think either the Kendo or the Ranger would be best, depending on whether you want to maximize stability and power, while retaining reasonable off-piste ability (Kendo), or have more of an even mix of performance characteristics (Ranger). Hope that helps!
@@SkiEssentials thanks very much for your reply 👍
Jeff and Bob, Thanks for your advice. I leaned pretty heavily on your reviews and tests when I went apres season deal shopping. I picked up a pair of Rossi Experience 92 Ti Basalt skis (180 cm) and Salomon STH2 13 bindings in black and grey. I can't wait to get on them in Dec! My question is regarding the binding mount. I skied twin tips for the first time this season and found myself getting back-seated occasionally in the bumps, so I'm thinking I need to mount the STH2s about +1 if not +1.5 forward to avoid that situation even if the Exp 92s have less tail rocker. Do you think this is a good idea? Will it negatively affect the carving or on-piste performance or make the 180 seem a little too short? I'm ok with the extra cm of tail in the bumps as I've dealt with a lot worse.
I think +1 would be perfectly reasonable on the Experience 92 if you're trying to get yourself a little further forward. It shouldn't have a big effect on carving, no. In some ways, you'll be able to initiate turns with a little less fore/aft effort as you'll be further forward in the camber. I wouldn't, however, go further forward than that. Too far would start screwing up the balance of the ski and put you ahead of the camber curve, which never feels good.
Great video! I’m currently riding Rossi Experience 76’s. I want to go wider this year because I’ll be out west all season this year. I’m a super comfortable riding the blues and ok in the blacks. I’m not an aggressive skier...just cruising and having fun. Which would you suggest for that style if skiing exclusively out west.
Hi Will! I'd go with either the Experience 88 Ti or the Elan Ripstick 88. Both of those skis will work well for your ability level, neither is tremendously demanding, but they both have a high performance ceiling and are skis you can use to start exploring and progressing in new terrain.
Demo the Volkl Kendo 88 easy to ski and fun!
Hey guys! Fantastic comparison, I really found it helpful. I'm trying to get a new pair this year and I'd be interested in getting your take on my thoughts so far! I'd say I'm a decent intermediate skiier, mostly resort based on the East Coast... Probably spend my time 70% on piste, 30% off. For context I'm 5'11, right about 150 lbs. So far I've narrowed it down to either the Kore 93s or 99s (99s only because they're lighter than the others and I've heard you guys say they're almost better for carving than the 93s due to their stiffness), or the Mindbender 90tis, with armada declivity 92s or exp. 92s as my second tier of choice... Just wondering whether these would be appropriate to have as all mountain/one-ski quiver types for me, and wanted your take on it (on length as well if you could)! Cheers from Canada!
Hi Mustapha! I think the Kore 93 would work really well for you. It's a good ski for the 70/30 split you're looking to do and it's also a ski that we often recommend for relatively lightweight skiers. I (Jeff) am about your size and find its performance works really well for my weight. Easy to throw around and maneuver, but still stiff enough to feel stable on groomers. I'd actually go with the 93 over the 99 for the east coast as it's just a little quicker edge to edge, which helps in our tight off-piste terrain. For length, I'd go with the 180 cm. That works really well for our size and isn't too demanding thanks to the rocker profile and overall shape.
@@SkiEssentials Cheers Jeff, thanks for advice! I'll definitely keep it in mind!
Will you put the Fischer RC One GT 86 (or 82 or 78) in the narrow frontside carver category, as I don’t think that has made a comparison review since its introduction last season? (I know you did an in depth 86 review)
Yup! We're planning a mid-80 comparison this year, which will definitely highlight the RC One 86 GT.
Can you guys do a race/piste ski comparison please?
Planning on it! Sometime in October or early November.
Great reviews (as usual). How would you compare the Enforcer 88 with the Nordica RC One 86 GT? Looking for a ski to complement my Enforcer 104 and VWerks Katana. I’m 6’1 ad 240 expert skier. Thanks!
Sorry for the delay getting back to you. Overall, they're fairly similar skis. Both fall into the versatile all-mountain carving category, IMO. The RC One 86 GT feels stiffer. I think it's fair to say it's a little more precise on groomers because of that and lower rocker splay. The Enforcer 88 has a softer flex and more pronounced rocker, both in length and splay. I think that makes it a little easier to ski and gives it smoother turn initiation, as well as a little more versatility, or at least less tiring when you want it to be versatile. It doesn't feel quite as powerful as the RC One, however, but they're both on the upper end of the power/edge grip spectrum.
Where can we find Ski Essentials Hats you guy's are rocking? I didn't see them on website?
We did a pretty small run on the hats that Jeff is wearing and never sold any. We did have the hat Bob is wearing for sale for a while, but we're really low on those too and took them down. Send us a direct message on social media or through email and we can try to find one for you.
Awesome video guys!
Which of these skis would you say handles icy slopes best ? (Groomers)
Brahma 88, M-Pro 90, Ranger 92 Ti, Mindbender 90Ti, Kastle MX 88, Evolv90, Enforcer 88, Experience 92 Ti, Stance 90, Stormrider 88, Kendo 88... all of these skis are just fine on icy slopes. That's basically the entire comparison, but it's true, all of those skis feel great on firm snow conditions. The best? Probably Brahma 88 or MX88, but you do lose some forgiveness and versatility with those 2 skis.
1:12 into this and I’m still here. I have to admit I think you guys put the volkl last just to make me watch the whole video.
Hahaha! I often wonder if people think that. The 100 mm comparison is reverse alphabetical order! Next video will be a new order, non-alphabet-based.
Love these reviews and the education! Looking for advice; CO native expert skier. Been skiing 8 year old Atomic Savage Ti (177-93). Heavy suckers but man they rip and can cut through the crud and ice, must be a lot of metal in them? Time for new sticks. Looking at the Blizzard line up. 5 10” 150 lbs. getting older at 47. My first love is ripping/arching GS turns at 70mph, should have been a downhiller. Getting older and will throttle down to 55mp. But I ski on and off piste. I can rip mogles too but not playing in those as much anymore but will dabble fir sure. Lots of back bowles at Vail and love the Beav for the speed. Still skiing steeps and tight tree’s too. Not chasing pow like I used to be able too but get into it at times for sure with luck. I’d like that ski to do well as it can in those conditions 6-12” freshies. Looking for the one quiver suggestion with Blizzard or Nordica Enforcer or the Vokle M5 Mantra or other brands. Please help! So many choices. Demo might be they way to go, sure. But if you had to pick based upon these needs...... GO.
Hey Scott! If I had to pick one of those skis based off everything you've said, I'd go with the Enforcer 100. It has good edge grip on firm snow, it's stable at speed, but its shape allows for more versatility and more forgiveness in off-piste terrain and conditions. Considering you spend a decent amount of time off groomed slopes, and especially since you're citing potential 6-12 inches, the Enforcer feels like a great choice. M5 Mantra and Bonafide are both fantastic skis, but they have less rocker, which makes them more demanding in off-piste terrain.
@@SkiEssentials thanks much!!! Happy Holidays fella’s!
@@ScottTaylor-hz1nh Happy Holidays!
@@SkiEssentials I have basicly the same wishes as Scott, but I would like something more narrower, like 90-93mm. Iam ~ 6-7level (starter - 0, expert - 10) skiier and love some speeds (50% off time), bumps/mogul/woods 40%, powder 10%. Using Salomon Xpro.100 boots. I'am 188cm tall. "You know", hope to get some advice......for the skiis (they lenght) to choose, bindings and suggestion for the capability with boots. 😎
@@gintsberzins3662 Enforcer 94 could be really cool, and I think the Rustler 9 would be a good one to consider as well. Rustler is more forgiving in bumps, which might be beneficial for you at your current ability level, while still being stable at speed. Rustler feels like it works better with the flex of your boots too...
hey can i have a coupon code :p? also are you doing a ~95mm waist width to include the enforcer 93 & m5 mantra?
keep it up. you guys are such a good team nowadays. i really appreciate bob's input - awesome stuff.
Send us a direct message on social media or through email and we'll do our best to help! Yes, we're going to do a ~100 mm comparison as well as a mid-90 comparison this year, which is new for 2021. I'm trying to break things down into more concise groups so it's a closer comparison within each video. Bonafide 97 fits into the mid-90 range now too.
Great job on this 2021 review, as always! I am the proud owner of the Enforcer 93's in the 177 length which I purchased two years ago based on your review. I am curious about the new 88's, perhaps being a little better at carving and faster edge to edge. I also wander if the 88's can make shorter turns, obviously with the shorter turning radius they should; I have to put some work into that with the 93's but I get them to do what I want with a variety of short, medium and long turns. Any input I should consider? Also have you guys or anyone have any info on these RENOUN ski brand from Burlington, they have something very similar to the Enforcer 88 called the Endurance 88, also short turn radius and great edge hold, East Coast Ski "they say" I am considering them because they are made right here and can be returned if I don't like them.
What's the secret with this brand, their confidence that skiers are going to like their skis and not return them, and the materials that they use to construct a ski that gets stiffer as you push it harder or drive it thru crud and variable snow??? Any thoughts???
Thanks! Overall, the 88 feels more similar to your 93 than it does different. I know that's vague, but it's true. It is quicker edge to edge and I do think it's safe to say it's more compliant for slightly smaller turns, but still pretty darn similar overall to your 93s. A touch more edge grip and a little quicker, but also not as versatile. I think you could do better as a complementing ski to your 93s than picking up an 88 too. If you had Enforcer 100s, that might be a different story, but if you're planning on keeping your Enforcer 93s, I might consider going even narrower with a complementing ski, maybe even down to something like the Dobermann Spitfire 80? Can get it as a flat ski! Just a thought.
In response to Renoun, their skis are pretty legit. The non-Newtonian thing is interesting, and although I have some time on them, I don't have quite enough to be able to give anecdotal information on how they differ from similar skis from other brands. What I will say, however, is I'm pretty close personally with a handful of people that work for Renoun. I trust them as skiers and industry professionals, so thus have quite a bit of trust in what the brand says.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks so much for your response and recommendations!!! I am leaning towards giving Renoun a chance I may even try their Atlas 80 which has an even tighter radius but the Endurance 88 shape remains me of my old Armada JJ's but where the JJ's fail the Endurance 88 should perform; that is holding a carved turn on hard snow and ice. Will see?! Thanks again!
@@JJRodpro Let us know what you decide to do and what you think of them once you're on snow!
I ski in Washington and my resort doesn’t groom very much. I already have a e-speed for days with piste, but I still need powder skis that also can carve. I was looking at the Head Kore line but what width should I get?
Hmm... 99 or 105. I'm leaning towards 99 as I do think that's a noticeably better carving ski, and it's still going to drastically outperform your e-speed in soft snow.
Hi there! I am an intermediate/ advanced skier stuck between the declivity 92 and stormrider 88. Love to know what your thoughts would be in a direct comparison. I ski a deacon 80 and a ripstick 96 black. Looking for a 3rd ski for the quiver as a daily driver.
Hi Jimmy! To me the Declivity feels more versatile because of its shape. The tip shape is actually fairly similar to your Ripstick 96. The Stormrider 88 feels slightly less versatile, but makes up for that in the sense that it's a superior carving ski. Just thinking about your existing quiver, I think the Stormrider 88 would be a better complement to your Deacon and Ripstick. Declivity is starting to get a little too close to the Ripstick 96, at least in my opinion.
I really want to demo the Ripstick 88 for bumps and fun all over the Mtn.
Pretty perfect ski for that application! Fun is the best adjective to describe the Ripsticks in my opinion.
After you demo them still make sure you demo the Volkl Kendo 88 just saying!
@@patrickpurcell3671 funny you mention... they are on my short list!
Is any of those skis recommended as telemark ski for all mountain (pist 70%, forest/offpist resort 30%) for a 70kg advanced telemarker? WHat does Bob say (he did tele right?)
I ran your question by Bob and if it was up to him, he'd choose the Rustler 9 for tele out of this group.
Hey guys, I have a quick question what ski do you guys recommend for someone who is an advanced skier 6’2 230 and skis mammoth mountain majority of the time. Preferably looking for something around 90 underfoot. Currently have the Nordica enforcer 104 free for the days that we get any sort of snow. Thanks in advance.
Hey Bryce!
What are your plans for these new skis? General daily driver for days when there's not fresh snow? On days like that, do you stick mostly to groomers, or do you still ski the whole mountain? Let me know. That'll really help me make a better recommendation. If you're interested, I actually lived in Mammoth for a year back in 2005. Love the mountain and I love every chance I've had to come back and ski.
I'm leaning towards something stable, but also versatile for different conditions. Kendo 88, Stance 90... both of those skis come to mind. I also wouldn't rule out just getting a narrower Enforcer. Let me know what you think and I', happy to chat more about it.
Did liberty replace the V92 with the Evol?
Nope, both skis still exist in the line. The evolv's are designed to be more well-rounded all-mountain skis, while the V series focus more on carving. The V92 is more of a wide carving ski than anything else.
Did the Kendo have any changes from 2020 to 2021?
Thanks
Nope, just a graphics update, and a pretty minor graphics update at that.
Witch one of these skis would you consider playful I wanna be able to hit groomers but wanna have some play and pop to learn butters and jumps
The Rustler 9 would be my pick out of these skis. There are other great skis for what you're looking for that aren't featured in this video. We had more skis like that in our 2022 Comparison series if you've seen any of those. Some other skis to look at... Fischer Ranger 94 FR, Liberty Origin 96, Rossignol Holyshred, K2 Poacher. Plenty of others too. Start there and let us know what you think.
for a quick thumbs up... what is a good all mountain ski for former intermediate snowboarder, Adult 40+ switching to skiing. looking for recommendations, something not too expensive. thanks!
Hey James! We have some good deals on 2020 Elan Ripstick 88 and 96 skis right now. I feel like both of those would be a good choice coming from a snowboarding background. Both are fun, playful skis, that aren't too demanding.
@@SkiEssentials that's exactly what the local shop recommended... great video and recommendations
Don't purchase any skis until you demo the Volkl Kendo 88.
So for an intermediate mainly on piste , would you say Valki kendo 88 or enforcer 88 ?
Hi Tony!
I would say the Enforcer is a bit friendlier of a ski due to the longer rocker profile. It's still a fantastic on-piste carving ski with a bit of versatility and playfulness built in--certainly more than the more business-like Kendo.
How would you compare Fischer Ranger 92 ti vs Fischer Ranger 94 fr?
There's quite a big difference, and most of it comes from the tail. The 92 Ti has a much stiffer tail with less rocker. That gives it more power in a carving turn and more edge grip, but then it's harder to release that tail edge and get it to pivot. The 94 FR is lighter, softer, and has more rocker, so easier to get the ski to swing around behind you, which gives it a more playful and forgiving feel, but you lost some edge grip.
So the Dynastar M-Pro is the 911 and the K2 is the BMW from a driving style
That's an interesting analogy! I'd say it's not quite that simple, but there's certainly some truth in what you're saying.
Question: What material should I get? is metal good?
Metal provides a lot of vibration damping, which generally advanced/expert/aggressive skiers like, but it also makes a ski heavier. Carbon is far lighter, and more energetic, but doesn't have the same smooth feel. So, depends on what you're looking for!
Is there any difference between the 2020 Volkl Kendo and the 2021?
Nope, same ski, just slightly different graphics!
Hi I am interested in buying a new pair of skis. I'm 6'1″ and I am 150 pounds (athletic). I have skied all my life and have good experience. I mostly ski groomers. I want something I can ski in all weather conditions. I don't care about speed i mostly like to have fun and carve both big and small. I also like to do small jumps from here and there like a shifty. which of the Mantra M5, Enforcer 93, Ranger 94 FR, QST 92 and Sick Day 94 will be the best for me?
Enforcer 93, Ranger 94, and I'd add the Rustler 9 to that list as well as skis to consider. You should look for a ski that's relatively stable at speed and with good edge grip for carving, but with a good amount of rocker so you get some playfulness too. Enforcer would be the most stable, Ranger the most playful, with the Rustler 9 right in between.
Hi i'm thinking about purchasing the elan ripsticks since i come from the amphibio's but i want a more versitale ski.
Would this be a good choice?
I'm 176 cm and i tend to do more on piste but want to learn off piste
Yeah! I'd go for the Ripstick 88. That ski still performs really well on groomers, but it will help you a lot off-piste compared to your Ampbibios. For length, I think the 172 is the way to go. Let us know if you have any other questions!
@@SkiEssentials thanks for the response.
What bindings woild you reccomend on them?
@@christophdeswert5053 Big fan of the Tyrolia Attack 13 on the Ripsticks. Low stand height, relatively lightweight, performance I trust 100%.
@@SkiEssentials ok thanks so much
Why is the QST 92 isn’t part of the reviewV
Mostly because we can't fit everything and the Stance 90 is a new ski for Salomon for 2021.
Coupon code please - i'm now at the Kendo
Don't hesitate to reach out directly for potential discounts!
Is there just `1 all mountain ski out of all of these that shines above the rest????
Yes and no. It ultimately depends on how you ski and what you're looking for. There are skis that shine above the rest for groomer performance, for off-piste maneuverability, for playfulness, and even skis that stand out because of their mix of characteristics, but it's hard to just objectively say one is better than all the others.
@@SkiEssentials I used to own a ski shop and i would go to the yearly demo trade shows and ski on at least 10 new skis to see which one i wanted to buy for myself and to see what skis i was going to carry in my shop. Everytime i was done skiing the 10, i would always find 1-3 that would perform heads and tails above the rest, that didnt mean the other 7 were bad skis , it just meant that they were not as good as the top 2 or 3, and i am talking about an all mountain ski, (which is what you have compared) so my test was how good in 4"of new snow or less , on groomers, in crud, and did it short turn (bumps) or long turn, and i think that is the only things that matter to most people that want a all mtn ski, so i am just saying that you guys should give your opinion, but of course thats just my opinion, lol
It would be interesting to find out which skis are the most overrated
No Black Crows?
A lot of our videos feature Black Crows! In this comparison, we could've included the Captis or Orb, but decided to omit them as we've had both of those skis in previous reviews and comparisons.
Hey, what ski were you comparing as most similar to the Liberty Evolve 90? Ski footage blocked visual and you didn’t mention ski name?
Where is the love for skis made in the USA? I wanna see reviews on Lib techs and Icelantic
Hello guys ! You are the best.
I am addicted to skiing in tight trees in Quebec and doing short turns between them. Which one should I get the DPS piste 90 rp, the kore 93, blizzard rustler 9 or another one that I did not see ? I currently own bent chetler 100 but I find them not quick enough in trees and on groomed, their radius is large (19.5m). Thanks alot for your help.
If you're looking for the ultimate in quickness for tight trees, I think the DPS is probably the way to go. Really any of the DPS "RP" shape skis would be great for you. 15 m turn radius, lots of tip and tail rocker/taper, and they're very lightweight. That's probably the way I would go if you're really focusing on tight trees.
@@SkiEssentials thank you very much ! It is greatly appreciated.