You have a passion for preservation. It's a trait of yours, not just an interest . As an old guy, a long time career counselor , i love to see it when a person is able to combine their passion with their work. Very nice video too!
When I was a car hauler I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw her in her dock. Seeing her was magnificent. I got to stand near the fence where she was moored.
=) I wish someone would just buy 3-5 acres and just beach her habitat for humanity could come from all over the world they could turn it into a big deal Norfolk Washington DC New York City would be great places
This has always been teetering on the edge for years. Awesome ship that was just not quite iconic enough for the public at large to pony up the dough. Ironically, it’s only the ships that sink that we remember.
Unfortunately, when they gutted her interiors they destroyed her ties to her glory days. She's been a dead empty hulk since, almost like an unburied corpse. The kindest thing they can do for her now is to give her a proper burial. Sad to lose her, but shes been gone for decades. Oh, and I would definitely choose the Normandy. Her interiors were astounding and nothing ever came close.
Whenever I go to Los Angeles now, I stay aboard her. It's a bit of a drive to get to get to some business appointments, but wouldn't trade it for a suite at The Beverly Hills or Ritz Carlton hotels.
16:35. I had to think a minute before I could figure out what carrier you were talking about. It’s the USS Oriskany, pronounced “or-RISS-kuh-nee. I think “O’Canary” is a giant Irish songbird. 😅. Temu is “Tee-moo” btw. 😉
I think of her impending fate and a little piece of me dies inside. She endured three decades forgotten and neglected only to now be intentionally sunk. Shameful.
Yeah, there was a real estate company partners with another company that was going to turn it into a complex. That's what one of the last pictures was. I'm not sure what happened to that. It seems like a pretty promising deal... There's a whole lot more to the story than the video portrayed, United States contract agreement with 82 penn Westinghouse owns the pier and was documentation that the rent would stay the same and there wasn't a duration Contingency meaning the ss United States was able to stay there as long as she wished.. idk it just doesn't seem fair in a lot of ways but I think putting her on 3-5 acres of land would be the most cost effective way to keep her top side
Great video Jay, don't hurt to have some alternative transportation history. Don't see the ship being preserved, unfortunately the current crop of billionaires just is not into preserving history.
@@What.its.like. Thinking about the USS battleship Texas it was close to getting cut for scrap but a private foundation was set up and a dedicated berth space set up and donations solicited to preserve the ship, and a few years ago they dry docked it for a period to do maintenance and re coat the bottom for rust prevention and is looking better now, If the locals had the initiative to do the same thing the ship could be saved.
It's usually some mildly-wealthy individual who comes along in cases like this and announces some sort of preservation plan to lure investors and then the shell company goes bankrupt but Mr. Promoter makes off with a big load of cash.
@@billolsen4360 Right about that one , they don't call them Ponzi or pyramid schemes for nothing, still remember the scam ads on the radio late at night wanting to invest in mink and chinchilla farms, and timeshares from everything from private jets to hunting spots back in the 60's.
Francis Gibbs would be considered "on the spectrum" The interiors on the "Big U" were all aluminum and very sterile compared to the SS France, Andrea Doria, Et al. She was fast and fireproof.
Of course, airliners back in the day were mighty plush, airline personnel weren't being yelled at by drunks who missed their flight because they stayed too long in the concourse bars, and everyone dressed up and were on their best behavior. But you're right, today they shove you into an aluminum tube as tightly as possible with screaming babies and adults who are making more annoying sounds than the infants.
What an incredible episode - thank you for telling the ship's story! It's sad to see her fate, but you've given her memory a chance to stay alive. Thank you as always ~ Chuck. P.S. And if I had my choice of 3 days on this ship, or going through the hassle that airline travel has become, I'll take this ship in her glory every time. WYR: United States for both
Reefing her is better than the scrap yard! She will be home to ocean life attracting divers to see her and being an economic driver for Oscloka Florida. In fact, she will outlive all of us!
Sad to see her go but ocean-going ships don't last forever. Even the museum ships have a tough time of it and generally take some serious government funding to survive. There was a time where she could have and should have been saved but that was long ago. Farewell to her and Godspeed her on her last journey. Glad you covered her in this episode because she's special but I hope you don't stray away from cars too much in the future.
I am torn between the Normandie and SS United States for the first one. The second one torn between Queen Mary and SS United States. If I was a Billionare I would've bought the ship and donated it as a park/meuseum. Problem is these converted ship hotels don't do well financially However maybe rebuilding it into a functional ship again would be good then having the Navy own it. Maybe once a year kinda thing, similar to keeping a classic car for special occasions. Keeping the miles off of the restored or survivor car to preserve it. Well I will say a reef is better than taking her to a scrap yard. At least divers will be able to go visit her until she rots away. Very sad to see her go, and hopefully we will see an oceanliner renaissance. Trains have slowly been coming back in the US, and already have in other countries. The hope is with remote work digital nomads. People may want to cross oceans at a slower pace and avoid jet lag. I doubt if it ever happens, ships will be chasing the blue ribband. They will be more cruiseship like similar to the only oceanliner built in the 21st century Queen Mary 2. She is my favorite modern ship for a reason. Unlike cruiseships built to impress and be scrapped after 20 years the QE2 was built to still serve as a functional, safe, and fast Transantlantic liner. She was designed to last 50 years I have read.
It would definitely create a lot of well-paying jobs to do a restoration on her. I got a plastic SS United model at age 3 and it was my favorite tub toy off all.
WYR: All of them. I love ships too much to choose one. Nautical miles is the measurement for distance, but the measurement for speed is knots. You either misspoke or had the wrong term in the script. The S.S. United States should be turned into anything BUT a coral reef.
This ocean liner needs to be preserved.Always thought ocean liners and cruise ships were the same.Love learning news things every day!.Thank you for this upload!.😎
Thinking this shift would be an absolute travesty I really hope they can save it, I wish Governor DeSantis would step in and do something the government has spend millions on monkeys and meth but won't save a ship that was American dream it's not over yet
Jay, thank you for this informative video of the once beautiful ship. I like ocean liners as well as old cars. I have been following the ongoing situation of what to do with her and was hoping she could be saved. This ship was mentioned and a few pictures shown on a couple of episodes of "I Love Lucy." Thanks again for something different!
This was a great change up, and awesome homage to this grand old ship! It had such an illustrious and fascinating history, and I hope its legacy is honored in the grand manor it deserves. The thought of it being sunk to become a reef, truly makes me sick. I think the idea that you suggested, with it being given a permanent, protected home on land, for it to be forever enjoyed and appreciated forever, is a super idea! Strange as it is, I have always been fascinated by these large ships, especially famous ones, but in the same respect, I have always been terrified of the deep water, and ocean , so I really don't think I would ever get on one. Cool video!😎
Thank you so much fir sharing that insight Happy you dig this episode I was happy with the way that it came out =) Hopefully a new episode tonight hopefully I've been super busy in the background
Excellent job Jayman!! I admire your dedication to research Dude! And sometimes your pronunciation cracks me up! Anyway, you know I'm a fan!!! WYR: 1, Mauretania, because I have a thing for Edwardian era liners. 2. Normandie, just because! I toured the Queen Mary years ago, and found the experience nice, but a bit underwhelming. I totally recommend touring the SS Keewatin, in Kingston, Ontario. It is the only Edwardian era passenger ship (though not trans-atlantic) still in existence. (I believe the SS Nomadic is a tender) Her maiden voyage was in 1907. She was moored in Douglas, MI from 1967 to 2012, which is where I toured her (several times). Anyway, about the SS United States, yes, I share your pain over her final fate, and it would be fantastic for her to find a savior, but I have my doubts. Again, stellar job on this one Jay, especially when it's not something typically in your wheelhouse!
Awesome choices that is an ocean liner that I really want to go and do I saw something on it the other day on Facebook where they were putting it away for the winter
I submitted the same idea except I suggested the cofferdam for the ship to be located near the Statue of Liberty. Maintained by volunteers. This all after it is declared a National Landmark overseen by the National Park Service.
Yes! I don’t understand why they can’t just buy 3 to 5 acres and put the ship on the land and not have to worry about the water aspect… keeping it in water. It’s just really expensive.
Awesome video my friend! The Big U's interiors are gone unfortunately. But the bones are still there from all the pics I've seen. Not to mention the engine and boiler rooms are more complete than the Queen Mary's. Which is another ship I'm very passionate about. Why not turn it into a trade school using all the students practicums to help fix her up. As well as putting her on RUclips showing progress. As well as explaining what each space was. I know I would volunteer to help fix her up.
Well, this was different! I know literally nothing about ships. I've been on the Queen Mary (while it was being restored) and I went on a 5 day cruise. So I have no weird stories or info...at all. That said, you did a great job of putting this together! Very interesting! WYR= It would have been cool to take a trip on any of those ships at least once. About the fate of the ship: it sure looks like restoring her, and keeping her restored, would be just a gigantic money pit. Rich people stay rich by not squandering their money. Making an artificial reef would at least help more than just scrapping it.
I reached out to the conservancy to maybe tour the ss United States, and they actually got back to me and declined I thought it would be cool to explore, then I watched a few videos of others exploring it, it's in sad shape the bones are still good I wish they would have bought property and beached her they waisted so much money letting her sit being chained to a pier.. They waisted so much time and money, they want to save the funnels and bridge controls and make it into a museum.. but I feel like that stuff is going to get boxed up and go to an attic some where and just get lost to history
Interesting episode. I enjoyed it. I've never been that interested in ships but have toured a few including the Queen Mary. I do enjoy interesting history though and I was not familiar with the SS United States. I know we can't preserve everything but it is always sad to see a cool part of history go.
If I'm not wrong, today's Cruise Ships are unable to survive an ocean crossing. Either that or it would be very unpleasant and hazardous, especially on the North Atlantic. But, WOW, Jay, I read about that Mercy Hospital fire. The St. Elizabeth mental hospital in the center of the Mercy complex burned and the patients, who were housed like inmates in a prison, had no way to get out. No fire sprinklers. 51 of them died. Had never heard about that before. ☹
Jay, a little bit of history from near your home. Babcock & Wilcox, the maker of the boilers, later went into making nuclear reactors. B & W made the reactors for Three Mile Island.
Thanks for this piece of American history. I wonder if the company shared a percentage of its profits with the US government (besides income tax) commensurate with the subsidies it was given to build the ship. I assume it was never used as a troop ship.
Sad to see an iconic ship going to be sunk.. I think its fate was sealed once its asbestos was removed..it was totally gutted since..to refurbish it needs an astronomical amount of money..in many cases of ships like this most are scrap in the end because the costs involved..the bigger it is the more you need investment..40 years ago it may have chance..
I was excited about saving the ship in the early 2000s. It seemed me it had to be a government ship. The President's yacht or a floating State Department Embassy etc. However building a new identical ship would likely cost less than restoration of the existing, The ship is not really attractive with no grand interiors, no stabilizers, and reportedly sever vibrations near the stern. It should be scrapped and recycled.
Didnt want to be a lawyer, please get the facts straight. He wanted to do exactly what he did build ships. I got the facts from " A Man and his Ship by Steven Ujifusa and SS United States by Rindfleish/ Bauer and Daywalt, other than the misstatement about Gibbs you did quite well. Thank you!
Although I'm not so up on ocean liners it is still interesting to hear about them. It would be good to bring the SS United States to land then treat it the same way as the Queen Mary. I am also interested in the Titanic sister ships Olympic & Britainic.
The Olympic was the only one of the three to survive ( had plenty of accidents but was eventually scrapped) Britannic hit a mine and sunk in shallow water but sunk in about 20 minutes because one of the water tight doors didn't close also the captain was going to try and beach the ship beings he was close to shore. He never gave the order to abandon ship. People started abandoning ship, and a couple of the life boats got sucked into the propellers. Which is how most people on that ship died, ironically the ratio of survivors is highly on Britannic despite it sinking in less time.
@@What.its.like. That's mostly right, except the Britannic took almost an hour to sink. Lusitania on the other hand, took only 18 minutes to sink after being hit by a torpedo.
I once heard someone on the radio say he saw the Olympic docked in the early 1940s. That is to say the ship would have been roughly 30 years old at the time.
@ernielaw Not possible. Olympic was completely gone by 1937 or so. He may have been thinking of another 4 funneled liner (most likely the Aquitania, which made it until 1950 before being scrapped) and got her mixed up with the Olympic.
I would say she probably was savable up into the 1990s. There is footage of her on here from 1991 (a 4 hour tour recorded onto a VHS tape) with lights on, and HVAC equipment running. At that point, she could've been saved easily. Now, not so much.
@@JefferyHall-ct2tr I was just reading a concrete magnet wants to try and save it but I feel like the most cost effective way to keep her is to put it on land property taxes are cheaper than docking fees Sweet choices
@@What.its.like. Have to agree. It seems as though once it was on land, your idea of making it into office building, hospital, housing, heck, you might even be ablte to make it into a mall or something!
Seriously. It's fate is so sad. Elon Musk or even Trump could toss a billion at her and it would be completely restored. Gift it to Cunard. Let them run it. The Queen Mary 2, Queen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth and Queen Anne are all successful. Horrible for a ship of state and a real waste.
I hope they can save her after listening to the millions we spend on stupid stuff that doesn't mean anything like the effects of monkeys on meth.. and we can't save this ship it's unreal
Bob Seger We got tonight
Yeah buddy congratulations =)
awesome !
You have a passion for preservation.
It's a trait of yours, not just an interest .
As an old guy, a long time career counselor , i love to see it when a person is able to combine their passion with their work.
Very nice video too!
Thank you so much it means the world =)
Wish you had a billion dollars to throw at a rehab project for her.
Well this is a change. Thoroughly enjoyed it thank you for posting this
=) something different
When I was a car hauler I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw her in her dock. Seeing her was magnificent. I got to stand near the fence where she was moored.
Awesome thank you fir sharing that memory
Love your sentiments thanks for your work i hope they save her too
=) I wish someone would just buy 3-5 acres and just beach her habitat for humanity could come from all over the world they could turn it into a big deal Norfolk Washington DC New York City would be great places
This has always been teetering on the edge for years. Awesome ship that was just not quite iconic enough for the public at large to pony up the dough. Ironically, it’s only the ships that sink that we remember.
Unfortunately, when they gutted her interiors they destroyed her ties to her glory days. She's been a dead empty hulk since, almost like an unburied corpse. The kindest thing they can do for her now is to give her a proper burial. Sad to lose her, but shes been gone for decades. Oh, and I would definitely choose the Normandy. Her interiors were astounding and nothing ever came close.
Normandie has a very tragic ending as well We marry in the SS United States are the only two liners of those that are still alive
I've been on the Queen Mary for a tour and it's a very cool ship. I wouldn't mind sailing on the S.S. United States.
Awesome
I'd love to go on the queen Mary eventually
Whenever I go to Los Angeles now, I stay aboard her. It's a bit of a drive to get to get to some business appointments, but wouldn't trade it for a suite at The Beverly Hills or Ritz Carlton hotels.
16:35. I had to think a minute before I could figure out what carrier you were talking about. It’s the USS Oriskany, pronounced “or-RISS-kuh-nee. I think “O’Canary” is a giant Irish songbird. 😅. Temu is “Tee-moo” btw. 😉
I think of her impending fate and a little piece of me dies inside. She endured three decades forgotten and neglected only to now be intentionally sunk. Shameful.
Yeah, there was a real estate company partners with another company that was going to turn it into a complex. That's what one of the last pictures was. I'm not sure what happened to that. It seems like a pretty promising deal...
There's a whole lot more to the story than the video portrayed, United States contract agreement with 82 penn Westinghouse owns the pier and was documentation that the rent would stay the same and there wasn't a duration Contingency meaning the ss United States was able to stay there as long as she wished.. idk it just doesn't seem fair in a lot of ways but I think putting her on 3-5 acres of land would be the most cost effective way to keep her top side
@@VitriolicThunder when I heard they were going to sink her my heart sank too.
Well Done
Thank you I wish they save her you know it's never too late
Great video Jay, don't hurt to have some alternative transportation history. Don't see the ship being preserved, unfortunately the current crop of billionaires just is not into preserving history.
Yeah I can think of many uses for it that's a lot of real estate
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@@What.its.like. Thinking about the USS battleship Texas it was close to getting cut for scrap but a private foundation was set up and a dedicated berth space set up and donations solicited to preserve the ship, and a few years ago they dry docked it for a period to do maintenance and re coat the bottom for rust prevention and is looking better now, If the locals had the initiative to do the same thing the ship could be saved.
It's usually some mildly-wealthy individual who comes along in cases like this and announces some sort of preservation plan to lure investors and then the shell company goes bankrupt but Mr. Promoter makes off with a big load of cash.
@@billolsen4360 Right about that one , they don't call them Ponzi or pyramid schemes for nothing, still remember the scam ads on the radio late at night wanting to invest in mink and chinchilla farms, and timeshares from everything from private jets to hunting spots back in the 60's.
Those pesky airplanes. I think, today spending time on that ship would be more relaxing than being shoved into an aluminum tube and get there faster.
Francis Gibbs would be considered "on the spectrum" The interiors on the "Big U" were all aluminum and very sterile compared to the SS France, Andrea Doria, Et al. She was fast and fireproof.
Of course, airliners back in the day were mighty plush, airline personnel weren't being yelled at by drunks who missed their flight because they stayed too long in the concourse bars, and everyone dressed up and were on their best behavior. But you're right, today they shove you into an aluminum tube as tightly as possible with screaming babies and adults who are making more annoying sounds than the infants.
United States was a speedy troop ship that could be converted into an ocean liner. Normandie was a floating work of art.
I totally agree it was super sad what happened to normandie
What an incredible episode - thank you for telling the ship's story! It's sad to see her fate, but you've given her memory a chance to stay alive. Thank you as always ~ Chuck. P.S. And if I had my choice of 3 days on this ship, or going through the hassle that airline travel has become, I'll take this ship in her glory every time. WYR: United States for both
Reefing her is better than the scrap yard! She will be home to ocean life attracting divers to see her and being an economic driver for Oscloka Florida. In fact, she will outlive all of us!
REEFER MADNESS !! Think of the EVz that coulda been built ... and last for ....
Okay ...that's a bad example
Don't think I'd travel on any of them .
Too much asbestos..
Kenny Rogers - We've Got Tonight (featuring Sheena Easton), "Why don't you stay"
Awesome you got it. =)
Maconp1119 beat you for title
I didn't know Kenny Rodger did it before Bob segar
Sad to see her go but ocean-going ships don't last forever. Even the museum ships have a tough time of it and generally take some serious government funding to survive. There was a time where she could have and should have been saved but that was long ago. Farewell to her and Godspeed her on her last journey.
Glad you covered her in this episode because she's special but I hope you don't stray away from cars too much in the future.
Yeah most definitely =)
I just wanted to do something a little off topic, this channel will always be the off the beaten path car channel =)
I am torn between the Normandie and SS United States for the first one. The second one torn between Queen Mary and SS United States.
If I was a Billionare I would've bought the ship and donated it as a park/meuseum. Problem is these converted ship hotels don't do well financially However maybe rebuilding it into a functional ship again would be good then having the Navy own it. Maybe once a year kinda thing, similar to keeping a classic car for special occasions. Keeping the miles off of the restored or survivor car to preserve it.
Well I will say a reef is better than taking her to a scrap yard. At least divers will be able to go visit her until she rots away. Very sad to see her go, and hopefully we will see an oceanliner renaissance. Trains have slowly been coming back in the US, and already have in other countries.
The hope is with remote work digital nomads. People may want to cross oceans at a slower pace and avoid jet lag. I doubt if it ever happens, ships will be chasing the blue ribband. They will be more cruiseship like similar to the only oceanliner built in the 21st century Queen Mary 2. She is my favorite modern ship for a reason. Unlike cruiseships built to impress and be scrapped after 20 years the QE2 was built to still serve as a functional, safe, and fast Transantlantic liner. She was designed to last 50 years I have read.
It would definitely create a lot of well-paying jobs to do a restoration on her. I got a plastic SS United model at age 3 and it was my favorite tub toy off all.
WYR: All of them. I love ships too much to choose one.
Nautical miles is the measurement for distance, but the measurement for speed is knots. You either misspoke or had the wrong term in the script. The S.S. United States should be turned into anything BUT a coral reef.
Yes I miss spoke thank you so much for catching that kilometers is what I said first lol
@What.its.like. I joined the premiere after that.
No that happened I caught it afterwards and fixed it I proof these but somethings get missed
@What.its.like. Nobody's perfect, and anyone who claims to be is a terrible liar.
This ocean liner needs to be preserved.Always thought ocean liners and cruise ships were the same.Love learning news things every day!.Thank you for this upload!.😎
Thinking this shift would be an absolute travesty I really hope they can save it, I wish Governor DeSantis would step in and do something the government has spend millions on monkeys and meth but won't save a ship that was American dream it's not over yet
Thanks Jay! I am an ocean liner nerd, As well as a car "nerd" so am digging this episode as well!
=) awesome
Jay, thank you for this informative video of the once beautiful ship. I like ocean liners as well as old cars. I have been following the ongoing situation of what to do with her and was hoping she could be saved. This ship was mentioned and a few pictures shown on a couple of episodes of "I Love Lucy." Thanks again for something different!
This was a great change up, and awesome homage to this grand old ship! It had such an illustrious and fascinating history, and I hope its legacy is honored in the grand manor it deserves. The thought of it being sunk to become a reef, truly makes me sick. I think the idea that you suggested, with it being given a permanent, protected home on land, for it to be forever enjoyed and appreciated forever, is a super idea! Strange as it is, I have always been fascinated by these large ships, especially famous ones, but in the same respect, I have always been terrified of the deep water, and ocean , so I really don't think I would ever get on one. Cool video!😎
Thank you so much fir sharing that insight
Happy you dig this episode I was happy with the way that it came out =)
Hopefully a new episode tonight hopefully I've been super busy in the background
Nice job. Great photos linked to the presentation. Good facts! I liked this very much.
Thank you happy you dig this one =)
Great change to your videos! And well done as you always do on your work, well done!
Thank you we're going to stick to Classic Cars, but I just wanted to do something different..
We got tonight --Who needs tomorrow , We got tonight babe Why don't you stay . Bob Seeger ? or Kenny Rodgers and Sheena Easton ?
Awesome you got it. =)
Maconp1119 beat you for title
I used to look at it at night back in the '90"s; it was tied up at Horne Bros. shipyard in Newport News,VA.
That's awesome
I loved this video. I also love anything transportation related. :) Thanks for the video!!
Thank you so much happy you dig this video
I'd go with Normandie because of an iconic poster I used to have on my wall. United states for second scenario.
Another great video! Thanks 👍
Thank you happy you dig this out side the box episode
I'm in Philly and seen this ship for years. She deserves so much better than to be sunk off the coast of Florida. Makes me sad.
Excellent job Jayman!! I admire your dedication to research Dude! And sometimes your pronunciation cracks me up! Anyway, you know I'm a fan!!! WYR: 1, Mauretania, because I have a thing for Edwardian era liners. 2. Normandie, just because! I toured the Queen Mary years ago, and found the experience nice, but a bit underwhelming. I totally recommend touring the SS Keewatin, in Kingston, Ontario. It is the only Edwardian era passenger ship (though not trans-atlantic) still in existence. (I believe the SS Nomadic is a tender) Her maiden voyage was in 1907. She was moored in Douglas, MI from 1967 to 2012, which is where I toured her (several times). Anyway, about the SS United States, yes, I share your pain over her final fate, and it would be fantastic for her to find a savior, but I have my doubts. Again, stellar job on this one Jay, especially when it's not something typically in your wheelhouse!
Awesome choices that is an ocean liner that I really want to go and do I saw something on it the other day on Facebook where they were putting it away for the winter
I like your idea, Jay. Seem doable compared to making it an operating liner again.
What a tragedy to sink this beauty. It should be preserved forever.
I submitted the same idea except I suggested the cofferdam for the ship to be located near the Statue of Liberty. Maintained by volunteers. This all after it is declared a National Landmark overseen by the National Park Service.
Yes! I don’t understand why they can’t just buy 3 to 5 acres and put the ship on the land and not have to worry about the water aspect… keeping it in water. It’s just really expensive.
Awesome video my friend! The Big U's interiors are gone unfortunately. But the bones are still there from all the pics I've seen. Not to mention the engine and boiler rooms are more complete than the Queen Mary's. Which is another ship I'm very passionate about. Why not turn it into a trade school using all the students practicums to help fix her up. As well as putting her on RUclips showing progress. As well as explaining what each space was. I know I would volunteer to help fix her up.
Well, this was different! I know literally nothing about ships. I've been on the Queen Mary (while it was being restored) and I went on a 5 day cruise. So I have no weird stories or info...at all. That said, you did a great job of putting this together! Very interesting! WYR= It would have been cool to take a trip on any of those ships at least once. About the fate of the ship: it sure looks like restoring her, and keeping her restored, would be just a gigantic money pit. Rich people stay rich by not squandering their money. Making an artificial reef would at least help more than just scrapping it.
I reached out to the conservancy to maybe tour the ss United States, and they actually got back to me and declined I thought it would be cool to explore, then I watched a few videos of others exploring it, it's in sad shape the bones are still good
I wish they would have bought property and beached her they waisted so much money letting her sit being chained to a pier..
They waisted so much time and money, they want to save the funnels and bridge controls and make it into a museum.. but I feel like that stuff is going to get boxed up and go to an attic some where and just get lost to history
Interesting episode. I enjoyed it. I've never been that interested in ships but have toured a few including the Queen Mary. I do enjoy interesting history though and I was not familiar with the SS United States. I know we can't preserve everything but it is always sad to see a cool part of history go.
Geez Jay! Great video. Never knew at 63.
Happy you learned something from this video
If I'm not wrong, today's Cruise Ships are unable to survive an ocean crossing. Either that or it would be very unpleasant and hazardous, especially on the North Atlantic. But, WOW, Jay, I read about that Mercy Hospital fire. The St. Elizabeth mental hospital in the center of the Mercy complex burned and the patients, who were housed like inmates in a prison, had no way to get out. No fire sprinklers. 51 of them died. Had never heard about that before. ☹
That's an epically tragic story
Very, very cool i think she should be saved as a museum ship
Jay, a little bit of history from near your home. Babcock & Wilcox, the maker of the boilers, later went into making nuclear reactors. B & W made the reactors for Three Mile Island.
That's awesome information
Thanks for this piece of American history. I wonder if the company shared a percentage of its profits with the US government (besides income tax) commensurate with the subsidies it was given to build the ship. I assume it was never used as a troop ship.
Next line: Why don't you stay.
Sad to see an iconic ship going to be sunk..
I think its fate was sealed once its asbestos was removed..it was totally gutted since..to refurbish it needs an astronomical amount of money..in many cases of ships like this most are scrap in the end because the costs involved..the bigger it is the more you need investment..40 years ago it may have chance..
I was excited about saving the ship in the early 2000s. It seemed me it had to be a government ship. The President's yacht or a floating State Department Embassy etc. However building a new identical ship would likely cost less than restoration of the existing, The ship is not really attractive with no grand interiors, no stabilizers, and reportedly sever vibrations near the stern. It should be scrapped and recycled.
Didnt want to be a lawyer, please get the facts straight. He wanted to do exactly what he did build ships. I got the facts from " A Man and his Ship by Steven Ujifusa and SS United States by Rindfleish/ Bauer and Daywalt, other than the misstatement about Gibbs you did quite well. Thank you!
knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/steven-ujifusa-on-william-francis-gibbs-and-his-ships/#:~:text=This%20is%20a%20time%20when,profession%20I%20can't%20stand.
I see 20,000 Chrysler Imperials... the big fat ones
It’s a crime to sink a piece of history for fishes to play in.
Totally agree
Nearly 50 mph? Wow!
I know right
Although I'm not so up on ocean liners it is still interesting to hear about them. It would be good to bring the SS United States to land then treat it the same way as the Queen Mary. I am also interested in the Titanic sister ships Olympic & Britainic.
The Olympic was the only one of the three to survive ( had plenty of accidents but was eventually scrapped) Britannic hit a mine and sunk in shallow water but sunk in about 20 minutes because one of the water tight doors didn't close also the captain was going to try and beach the ship beings he was close to shore. He never gave the order to abandon ship. People started abandoning ship, and a couple of the life boats got sucked into the propellers. Which is how most people on that ship died, ironically the ratio of survivors is highly on Britannic despite it sinking in less time.
@@What.its.like. That's mostly right, except the Britannic took almost an hour to sink. Lusitania on the other hand, took only 18 minutes to sink after being hit by a torpedo.
I once heard someone on the radio say he saw the Olympic docked in the early 1940s. That is to say the ship would have been roughly 30 years old at the time.
@ernielaw Not possible. Olympic was completely gone by 1937 or so. He may have been thinking of another 4 funneled liner (most likely the Aquitania, which made it until 1950 before being scrapped) and got her mixed up with the Olympic.
Gotta say, I'd pick Normandie. Then Mauratania.
Sweet, normandie was beautiful
What a shame that our country could preserve the fastest winner ever built as well as its name sake!
It's not too late I wish someone would save her if I had the money I totally would
It's too far gone to be saved. Last chance for that was in the 1970s.
Maybe.. a couple years back queen Mary was in pretty rough shape as well
I would say she probably was savable up into the 1990s. There is footage of her on here from 1991 (a 4 hour tour recorded onto a VHS tape) with lights on, and HVAC equipment running. At that point, she could've been saved easily. Now, not so much.
Its sad , what is happening to her . She was the best !
Drachinifel sounds funny these days..... heh
Hahahaha =)
Hi Jay! Too darn bad they can't find a way to save the United States! Such a waste! WYR One Normandy. Two SS United States
@@JefferyHall-ct2tr I was just reading a concrete magnet wants to try and save it but I feel like the most cost effective way to keep her is to put it on land property taxes are cheaper than docking fees
Sweet choices
@@What.its.like. Have to agree. It seems as though once it was on land, your idea of making it into office building, hospital, housing, heck, you might even be ablte to make it into a mall or something!
MAGA!!!!! Elon Musk should purchase and restore her out of his pocket change.
Seriously. It's fate is so sad. Elon Musk or even Trump could toss a billion at her and it would be completely restored. Gift it to Cunard. Let them run it. The Queen Mary 2, Queen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth and Queen Anne are all successful. Horrible for a ship of state and a real waste.
I hope they can save her after listening to the millions we spend on stupid stuff that doesn't mean anything like the effects of monkeys on meth.. and we can't save this ship it's unreal
Love ...exciting and new ...come aboard ...blub blub blub
P S Why didn't you take a gander at the engine ?🦤