No way sherpa 450 is going to compare to smooth Triumph 400. That 450 lacks refinement and I'm from India, I speak a lot more about RE than any of you. Last couple of months 3 Himalayan were reported with Broken Chassis and guess what that same chassis is used in this new Gurrelia ..yes we know Royal Enfield's are not know for quality or reliability (it's the least reliable brand from India) but since you are comparing it with triumph , this has to be pointed out.
Nice looking bike. I hope it makes it to North America before I die. My closest RE dealer is 2 hr. away still hasn’t had a Himalayan 450 on its showroom floor. My Bonneville is getting too heavy for my old bones to push around safely.
@@dougsmith7580 yeh that’s why your dealer has no sense of urgency. He probably thinks you will pass away before he actually bothers importing some newer models. You can pay an import agent to do the customs paperwork for you and it will probably still cost you less than the dealers mark-up.
I grew up in the 80s. I appreciate these color schemes. So boring seeing all black or other basic single color bikes. I would go for the Yellow Ribbon.
Yup. I was really disappointed when I saw speed 400 in person. I wasn't expecting it to be really small. I hope it is as big as I am imagining it to be...
@@Trackandshield same here speed 400 looks small on the road .... Looks like the hunter 350 .... But for sure this guerrilla 450 will look sizeable .... Mainly due the wider block pattern tyres and the tank size which looks much more substantial than that of the speed ....
Those colour schemes I suspect will divide opinion… they certainly can’t be said to be dull… but you’re going to need to be quite extrovert to want some of them… a plain black option might have been a better decision if they want to appeal to as many people as possible… on a more positive note, the lack of unnecessary tech and the price are excellent.
@@duncancleverley6366 the comment section is fully divided, all sorts of people. I guess that's why they have white and silver. While other colour options are more stylistic.
Looks like a direct competitor to the Speed 400. Weighs 30 lb. more, but that's not a huge difference. Other than that, specs are very close Personally I don't care for the styling and find the Triumph more understated and elegant looking. But of course, YMMV on that. I'm guessing that pricing will be much closer to the Triumph than the 350s. I don't see anything in this machine that would make me switch from my Speed 400, but it certainly looks like a nice machine. Kudos to RE...they're finally moving into the 21st century.
@@hershchat Where? I doubt this will be the case in the States. A Classic 350 is priced only a few hundred dollars less than a Speed 400 in USSA. I'm pretty sure this new bike will come in higher than the 350.
@@hershchat😂 Your fooling yourself. Oh, and ever seen the s/h value of an Enfield vs Triumph ? Good luck with that when you go to sell, then you’ll realise what it actually has cost you.
@@douglasalexander4348 I can only speak for the States, but indeed, lightly used Enfields depreciate quite a bit compared with Triumphs. Also the dealer network here is very spotty.
Great looking bike and I’m really impressed by the 400ish bikes. My only concern is these singles turn into rattle traps at interstate speeds. Hey Bob, when you going to do a follow up on the Husky 401?
This, def this. Himalayan 450 looks terrible... But the 17" wheels and a lower non periscope headlight make a YUGE difference. Whoever did this naked 450 Himalayan did a waaaaaaaaay better job then the 411 himalyan / scram 411... Mostly because of the headlight height.
No,it is not a long distance tourer. None of these medium nakeds are meant for that. But that is not the point of these sort of bikes. I’d love to have one of these or the Triumph besides my touring Harley.
Who says , every year thousands of people use RE 350 for touring from South India to Laddakh ( Himalaya , India China - border ) 3,500 km ( one way ) .
@@percentbigfootbig cc bikes (800-1200) with large tank capacity but low mileage is equal to a medium cc bike with relatively small fuel tank capacity but good mileage, in terms of travel distance. And i have seen people touring on a 100 cc bike while 600 cc owner just worried about fuel and maintence expenses and not touring at all. So well, every bike is a tourer if the rider has made his mind to tour.
I’m really excited about this bike. It looks like lots of fun! I love the khaki color with red highlights. It would make a great garage mate for my Goldwing.
I’m surprised more people are complaining about the engine vibes in the Himalayan considering it is meant for adventure touring. Wouldn’t that be a deal killer?
@@ScoobyFermentation people are not used to vibes in single cylinder bikes? Also it isn't annoying vibes. They just prefer the old feeling of no vibes in air cooled 411.
I was so dissapointed with the new Himalayan! The colorways were absolutely tragic! The overall design was poor compared with the original but the paint options were the worst I have seen on a Royal Enfield. I was truly looking forward to it too. The black and gold wasnt bad but the others were hideous. This looks much better. Not as nice as some of their other bikes. But miles better than the Himalayan in my humble opinion.
I actually saw this bikes on the 17th July in Barcelona. I was going to the office in my M937 and they really look very nice and big. (Almost bigger than my monster) I was surprised that they can maintain decent speed uphill in Montjuïc. I didn't knew what model where and i was expecting not to keep up with me in the corners. I was not pushing it because it was 07:20 in the mornig and i didn't even had breakfast but they took 3 corners and a roundabound in a lively pace. They look nice and seem a lot of fun.
The best thing about Enfields is the rear brake. Country roads, rear brake and lean it in, less weight pushing down on the front. So much stronger than Japanese bikes.
Cooling system does effect engine performance for example cf moto's 450 engine is liquid cooled but gives same mileage as RE's air & oil cooled 650 that is 22km/l.
@@tatasth8559 yes the beauty of liquid cooling an engine is that you can design it to cool areas where you want to generate higher BMEP with the obvious increase in heat generated. ie through higher compression,turbocharging, supercharging etc. that may not be possible through simple air cooling. To that end, we may have answered our own question regarding the surprisingly low relative power output of the air- cooled RE 350 engines, as the designers may have found 20hp was the best output they could risk without coming up against static over heating problems, particularly in extremely hot climates ( like parts of India) where ambient temperatures of 40 to 50 degrees centigrade are often common place. Kind regards.
@@tatasth8559 fuel mileage at similar speeds is generally determined by the power required to overcome the weight and wind resistance created by the vehicle so it’s likely that both bikes are very similar in that respect..
I don't like the looks of the front suspension covers (I do appreciate the functionality though). I would also like the painted section in the front mudguard to extend all the way, instead of having black plastic at the end
It’s ok that we talk so much about looks. It will also help to have some reflections on usability… for commuting, and for touring. I realize you’ll need to ride the bike to have specific thoughts. However, as a reviewer, & a motorcycle savant and lover, you know, in general, where this style and class of motorcycles fall in the use space. Tell us, remind us, convene that discussion. We spend WAYYY to much breath on how a bike looks.
I've owned and out on 2000+ miles on my scram 411 in the past month and a half. Tripper pod is worse than useless. And I feel like I should knock down a tooth because in America top speed is iffy. I still love my bike
I don't think is "hotly anticipated". What makes it more interesting than Speed 400?...well, nothing. BTW bike costs in India 239,000 rupees, or the equivalent of just under £2,200, and here in UK £4850, this reminds me why in this country only old people use bikes.
@@abhishekmaurya4665 I haven't heard of the term "introductory offer", how does it work? I would guess that the first few hundreds of units are cheaper directly form the dealers and then it rises to a "normal" price?
@@Navzar99 well generally the first lot of these bikes or even cars have some hiccups, especially if they are a new platform and most people know that so these companies just sell them at discounted rates, that's all.
Very Ducati Scramblerish looking, I think they missed a trick, had it been a 450 270 degree twin, well it might have cost a bit more but I think it would have sold like hotcakes.
wow that sucks that is like that, the silver looks the bettter and more simplebut if its the one that have the analog meeeh its a no no. The second better is probably the yellow/vioiet one and the black, red/gold.
The 350 hunter is obsolete already. The Triumph will have significantly less depreciation making the Guerilla 450 a difficult proposition. It is going to be tough for RE
I was completely invested into the Himalayan 450, deposit down etc. Then i test rode it and couldn't wait to get off it. Everything vibrates. Unless they've somehow dampened that out, nothing with the sherpa interests me in the slightest.
This new liquid cooled, small capacity 400ish cc retro bike category is getting interesting. A Guerrilla 450 vs Speed 400 video would be very fun
Agree. Triumphs have become a bit anodyne. I am hoping this has more character.
It's papa Yam!
Yes … i agree, as i have a Speed 400 … just for shitz & giggles !
No way sherpa 450 is going to compare to smooth Triumph 400. That 450 lacks refinement and I'm from India, I speak a lot more about RE than any of you. Last couple of months 3 Himalayan were reported with Broken Chassis and guess what that same chassis is used in this new Gurrelia ..yes we know Royal Enfield's are not know for quality or reliability (it's the least reliable brand from India) but since you are comparing it with triumph , this has to be pointed out.
The Triumph Speed 400 is brimming with character and ability @@hershchat
I actually think it’s a really nice looking bike styling wise!
It gives me RD350LC vibes!
I completely agree!
gives me ducati scrambler vibes
I completely agree. Now with the new Hym-i motor it attracts a lot. I rode the Himalayan. Drop by to check it. Cheers.
Yay for accessible 400-500cc bikes that more people can actually afford.
Best Royal Enfield to this Date. I'm getting one in GOLD. Awhhhh hell yeah that one looks sooooo fuckkkkking goooood!!!!!
Right?! 🥵🥵 it's crazy 🔥🔥
Yes ducati monster type
Base model white color is looking great than other funky looking colors
Exactly
Silver
yea looks super clean and stealth
It really does, but unfortunately it comes with the old dash, not the new Tripper Dash. Hopefully it can still be added as an optional
That white and blue is awesome
It gave me RD250LC vibes
@@therealunclevanya yes!!
Nice looking bike. I hope it makes it to North America before I die. My closest RE dealer is 2 hr. away still hasn’t had a Himalayan 450 on its showroom floor. My Bonneville is getting too heavy for my old bones to push around safely.
If your dealer isn’t interested why not order one direct?
@@philtucker1224 ….. I kind of looked into that but the hoops I’d have to jump through importing it into Canada are crazy.
@@dougsmith7580 yeh that’s why your dealer has no sense of urgency. He probably thinks you will pass away before he actually bothers importing some newer models. You can pay an import agent to do the customs paperwork for you and it will probably still cost you less than the dealers mark-up.
I grew up in the 80s. I appreciate these color schemes. So boring seeing all black or other basic single color bikes. I would go for the Yellow Ribbon.
Love the look of the gold dip 🤤
Good looking bike, specially the silver color. My doubt is if the price difference to a Triumph is worth it
I liked that silver smoke as well but the problem is you wont get that himlayan digital console on it
@@khajaamjid4898 always can retro fit it... It won't be that hard.
@@ghettoboi27changing the fuel tank and 3 other panels would probably be easier
Probably more expensive that way though @@ScootScoot125
@@arax20 fair point
Not a fan of altering the wiring on a vehicle, unless it's a simple plug and play job
Team Gold Dip!😍
Like the self-recognition and confidence in highlighting the cooler in the tank's color so it sticks out.
I bought the 452 Himalayan and love it totally the Sherpa engine is very nice and quiet compared to the scram411 I had.
As usual it would look better in person.
They always do!
Yep
this especially will because of the fatter tyres compared to the competition
Yup. I was really disappointed when I saw speed 400 in person. I wasn't expecting it to be really small. I hope it is as big as I am imagining it to be...
@@Trackandshield same here speed 400 looks small on the road .... Looks like the hunter 350 .... But for sure this guerrilla 450 will look sizeable .... Mainly due the wider block pattern tyres and the tank size which looks much more substantial than that of the speed ....
It would be nice if they make a supermotard version of it .
Those colour schemes I suspect will divide opinion… they certainly can’t be said to be dull… but you’re going to need to be quite extrovert to want some of them… a plain black option might have been a better decision if they want to appeal to as many people as possible… on a more positive note, the lack of unnecessary tech and the price are excellent.
@@duncancleverley6366 the comment section is fully divided, all sorts of people.
I guess that's why they have white and silver.
While other colour options are more stylistic.
Gold / red hits different though
Looks nice tbh, specially the yellow one.
Yellow Ribbon is spicy, and I like it!
(Losing teeth from the rear sprocket would raise the gearing rather than lower it...) 0:47
Higher top speed, slower acceleration
Take into account 17 inch rear wheel instead of 18 from Himalayan
@@mtabishkhan correct
Not necessarily a higher top speed but lower revs at maximum speed. (Top speed is limited by engine power)
What a delightful looking machine. I've ordered the Himmy as I want to go off road. I think this will do very well, though.
Hmmm, I like it! That white one, and the grey one looks beautiful! I already have a supersport, looking for a commuter and urban explorer...😊
Looks like a direct competitor to the Speed 400. Weighs 30 lb. more, but that's not a huge difference. Other than that, specs are very close Personally I don't care for the styling and find the Triumph more understated and elegant looking. But of course, YMMV on that. I'm guessing that pricing will be much closer to the Triumph than the 350s. I don't see anything in this machine that would make me switch from my Speed 400, but it certainly looks like a nice machine. Kudos to RE...they're finally moving into the 21st century.
Pricing is 1/3rd less
@@hershchat Where? I doubt this will be the case in the States. A Classic 350 is priced only a few hundred dollars less than a Speed 400 in USSA. I'm pretty sure this new bike will come in higher than the 350.
@@hershchat😂 Your fooling yourself. Oh, and ever seen the s/h value of an Enfield vs Triumph ? Good luck with that when you go to sell, then you’ll realise what it actually has cost you.
@@douglasalexander4348 I can only speak for the States, but indeed, lightly used Enfields depreciate quite a bit compared with Triumphs. Also the dealer network here is very spotty.
@@johnstone7697 Yes, a good local shop here, but my friends Enfield is worth so little on a trade in.
I like the styling. To me, there is the slightest wiff of 250LC about the white one. Which is no bad thing.
I love it! Somehow it reminds me of the KTM 690 Duke. The red/gold one for me, thank you!
Or the babyblue on the concept bike!
White and blue ❤
My wife seemed very sensitive to vibes, she wants one.
😉
Lol, say what?
Sized for it's market. Good looking machine. RE has come a long way in just a few years.
Looks good, love the yellow/black one.
Brava blue, the wheel and the frame pop!
@@benschofield7565 yes I like the white and the black purple as well.
The silver or white one for me. Thought the speed 400 was the bee's n ee's when it came out but this just blows me away
Great looking bike and I’m really impressed by the 400ish bikes. My only concern is these singles turn into rattle traps at interstate speeds. Hey Bob, when you going to do a follow up on the Husky 401?
White and Blue I think
Front high mudguard like the himalayan would look sick, almost ducati urban motard-ishhh
This, def this. Himalayan 450 looks terrible... But the 17" wheels and a lower non periscope headlight make a YUGE difference.
Whoever did this naked 450 Himalayan did a waaaaaaaaay better job then the 411 himalyan / scram 411... Mostly because of the headlight height.
No,it is not a long distance tourer. None of these medium nakeds are meant for that. But that is not the point of these sort of bikes. I’d love to have one of these or the Triumph besides my touring Harley.
Who says , every year thousands of people use RE 350 for touring from South India to Laddakh ( Himalaya , India China - border ) 3,500 km ( one way ) .
They'll be ok, let people do what they want.
Anything can be a tourer if you're adventurous enough ;)
@@manishsingh7534 bro he is talking with respect to the fuel tank and not the capability of bikes.
@@percentbigfootbig cc bikes (800-1200) with large tank capacity but low mileage is equal to a medium cc bike with relatively small fuel tank capacity but good mileage, in terms of travel distance. And i have seen people touring on a 100 cc bike while 600 cc owner just worried about fuel and maintence expenses and not touring at all. So well, every bike is a tourer if the rider has made his mind to tour.
Love the colour options 👍
but the triumph speed 400 looks like a 150 cc commuters seen in India
It reminds me of the styling of the Ducati Scrambler.
Facts
Yup, very close
At half the price
I’m really excited about this bike. It looks like lots of fun! I love the khaki color with red highlights. It would make a great garage mate for my Goldwing.
Because they dont mess with the colours, gold forks and silver clocks, I would prefer the Enfield 👍
I’m surprised more people are complaining about the engine vibes in the Himalayan considering it is meant for adventure touring. Wouldn’t that be a deal killer?
@@ScoobyFermentation people are not used to vibes in single cylinder bikes?
Also it isn't annoying vibes. They just prefer the old feeling of no vibes in air cooled 411.
It is the best looking of the lot! Very nice proportions, those chunky tires are a deal maker. :)
I was so dissapointed with the new Himalayan! The colorways were absolutely tragic! The overall design was poor compared with the original but the paint options were the worst I have seen on a Royal Enfield. I was truly looking forward to it too. The black and gold wasnt bad but the others were hideous.
This looks much better. Not as nice as some of their other bikes. But miles better than the Himalayan in my humble opinion.
11-litre tank is less.
It's a city bike not a rally bike. So it's enough
Atleast they should have given 13 litre tank @@hakshayak2044
@@SarvanDhadhich 300 +km of range is good enough for this type of bike
My brother in Christ, that engine makes 30km/l (70mpg). 11l is plenty
I actually saw this bikes on the 17th July in Barcelona. I was going to the office in my M937 and they really look very nice and big. (Almost bigger than my monster)
I was surprised that they can maintain decent speed uphill in Montjuïc. I didn't knew what model where and i was expecting not to keep up with me in the corners. I was not pushing it because it was 07:20 in the mornig and i didn't even had breakfast but they took 3 corners and a roundabound in a lively pace.
They look nice and seem a lot of fun.
A rubber belt final drive would be nice for it and the competition in this class.
It felt very ducati scrambler icon like to me.
Someone needs get the specs from the old honda 450 dohc engine and build a naked b8ke around it..one of the best 450 twin motors ever built!
It's high time that Yamaha need to bring XSR 155 to India under 2 lakh 👍🏽
Good looking bike,unfortunately too low a saddle height,gotta agree about Cardo Packtalk headsets,absolutely fantastic bit of kit.
The best thing about Enfields is the rear brake. Country roads, rear brake and lean it in, less weight pushing down on the front. So much stronger than Japanese bikes.
That purple and yellow is sexy. Of course this is coming out right after I picked up a hunter 350. I hope the seating is just as low and comfortable.
RE's are good looking, but not sure how good they are! I guess we'll find out.
Ducati Scrambler style on a budget?
Gold dip all the way!!!
The styling, colours, ground clearance and the look of the tyres the Guerilla looks a bit like a Ducati Scrambler to me, same power as a Sixty2...
looks nice, except the radiator
That gold dip is soo appealing 🥵🥵
Water cooling doesn’t increase engine power. Power is determined by the amount of fuel air mixture in the combustion chamber at the point of ignition.
Cooling system does effect engine performance for example cf moto's 450 engine is liquid cooled but gives same mileage as RE's air & oil cooled 650 that is 22km/l.
@@tatasth8559 yes the beauty of liquid cooling an engine is that you can design it to cool areas where you want to generate higher BMEP with the obvious increase in heat generated. ie through higher compression,turbocharging, supercharging etc. that may not be possible through simple air cooling. To that end, we may have answered our own question regarding the surprisingly low relative power output of the air- cooled RE 350 engines, as the designers may have found 20hp was the best output they could risk without coming up against static over heating problems, particularly in extremely hot climates ( like parts of India) where ambient temperatures of 40 to 50 degrees centigrade are often common place. Kind regards.
@@tatasth8559 fuel mileage at similar speeds is generally determined by the power required to overcome the weight and wind resistance created by the vehicle so it’s likely that both bikes are very similar in that respect..
I don't like the looks of the front suspension covers (I do appreciate the functionality though). I would also like the painted section in the front mudguard to extend all the way, instead of having black plastic at the end
Really? I absolutely love that part
Smoke silver is the go
I think they should have made the gold/red the top spec instead of the yellow/purple.
It’s ok that we talk so much about looks. It will also help to have some reflections on usability… for commuting, and for touring. I realize you’ll need to ride the bike to have specific thoughts. However, as a reviewer, & a motorcycle savant and lover, you know, in general, where this style and class of motorcycles fall in the use space. Tell us, remind us, convene that discussion. We spend WAYYY to much breath on how a bike looks.
Nice but still won’t unseat the Triumph for me in this category
The tank is still funny looking, but not bad over all.
Very nice bike, silly name. Want one.
Triumph 400 wins on build and cheaper road tax bracket in uk
Looks a little like a XSR line, but not to good, 11L tank is very bad. Why few companys made fuel tank with more than 14L?
I've owned and out on 2000+ miles on my scram 411 in the past month and a half.
Tripper pod is worse than useless.
And I feel like I should knock down a tooth because in America top speed is iffy.
I still love my bike
Would need to test ride it and triumph 400
Did I just saw the tail and indicator wobble at 4.13
Looking very Yamaha RD350LC... Not a bad thing!
Love it in black 🖤 gonna test ride one 😊
Nice one, Bob !
How does it manage to weigh as much as my Triumph Trident 660 triple ???
Cuz it's physically larger. Especially in terms of length and wheelbase which translates to more room (generally).
Minimal plastics are used build is mostly metal
Because Truimph is a premium brand and RE is a budget brand - duh.
Its cool looking bike, I hope to do a test drive, next month....
White blue or gold dip
Hey, when are we going to get the long-term review on the svartpilen 401?
Is it pillion friendly? Which seat is better for a pillion rider ? Stock seat or flat bench seat ?
I own a CB500F so I’d be interested to see Enfield release a twin version of this engine. 11 litres is too small.
still waiting for more 650 bikes (or even more cc finally)
Awesome bike!
Looks like ducati monster
I assume that will take the place of the Scram?
I don't think is "hotly anticipated". What makes it more interesting than Speed 400?...well, nothing. BTW bike costs in India 239,000 rupees, or the equivalent of just under £2,200, and here in UK £4850, this reminds me why in this country only old people use bikes.
So you know any bike costing 2200 pounds in UK?
That was introductory offer, the bike has already balloned in price in india
@@abhishekmaurya4665 I haven't heard of the term "introductory offer", how does it work?
I would guess that the first few hundreds of units are cheaper directly form the dealers and then it rises to a "normal" price?
Idk why everyone ignores Torque figures lol
@@Navzar99 well generally the first lot of these bikes or even cars have some hiccups, especially if they are a new platform and most people know that so these companies just sell them at discounted rates, that's all.
Very Ducati Scramblerish looking, I think they missed a trick, had it been a 450 270 degree twin, well it might have cost a bit more but I think it would have sold like hotcakes.
For the love of god enfield, just release the classic 650 ffs
@@jaydiggy86 next year or late this year, a scram 650 is due and a 350 bobber as well.
Dropping teeth at the rear will make it less nippy and Rev less at the same speed as the Himi.
And then two hours later you knew you needed at least a 650. It might make a ice beach vacation rental.
At least 13 litre tank
wow that sucks that is like that, the silver looks the bettter and more simplebut if its the one that have the analog meeeh its a no no. The second better is probably the yellow/vioiet one and the black, red/gold.
Looks good but why semi knobblies on a road bike with no off road intentions ?
I agree mate - style over substance. I'd take a better performing tyre any day
The 350 hunter is obsolete already. The Triumph will have significantly less depreciation making the Guerilla 450 a difficult proposition. It is going to be tough for RE
Found some new rims for my mt03 eh?
I was completely invested into the Himalayan 450, deposit down etc. Then i test rode it and couldn't wait to get off it. Everything vibrates. Unless they've somehow dampened that out, nothing with the sherpa interests me in the slightest.
...only a slight XSR Duc Scrambler/ CFMoto X vibe......
Official EU RRP is 5,290 euro - Price Starts at 7,200 euro in Ireland :'( 2k extra for what???!!!
looks identical to ducati scrambler 800
Booked Yellow Ribbon. Anyone?
A single cylinder is vibey? Say it ain't so.
Yamah xsr mt 07 made in 2014 and way higher performance. Why is this so wow 10 years later ?
Basically he says that it's a good bike if you don't need to ride on it. Am I right?