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I had a clog or something and my washer kept backing up causing water to come back out of the washer drain into the laundry room. Had a plumber snake it and clear the clog but they said they needed to run the camera to figure out why it clogged. They ran the camera and claim our main cast iron sewage line needs replaced. It runs under slab foundation and under a brand new furnace unit I had installed just 2 months ago and cost me over 10k. They said they would need to remove the foundation in two whole rooms and take out my brand new furnace in the process and quoted the project at 14k. This was the first time we've had a clog in over 7 years. I didn't havethe work done and our drain has been working perfectly ever since. No way I will let that work be done without another opinion or two!!
No vapor barrier under the concrete slab, no gutter and no specific drainage around the house. Plants that need to be watered right up to the wall of the house. What was the solution that was eventually implemented?
I would recommend a gutter with drainpipes draining far from the house. The wet concrete slab will also endanger the wooden framing of the house. Therefore I would install a French Drain around the house, below the lowest point of the slab draining away from the house and possibly using a lowered catch basin with a pump.
Once less water gets under the house, the slab should be mostly dry. Monitoring the moisture level of the slab and the wood should make it possible to measure the effectiveness of the improved drainage.
Hire a flooring guy who knows how to properly install . (flooring can buckle from changes in room humidity if done wrong . BUT to put flooring of any kind , even composite, on top of unsealed concrete is pure negligence .)
Spot on, plus that floor will never be flat again, the sand bags are a waste of time.
Looks like the main problem is water management. Lack of gutters with proper grading to direct water away from the foundation. Secondarily this looks like an older home without a vapor barrier under the slab, but with proper grading and gutters there shouldn't be a large enough amount of water getting under the slab to create a problem like this.
That house has no rain gutters. Also the landscaping drainage may need to be checked and french drains added around the house.
As soon as I saw the house I wondered why no gutters. Dumb.
There’s no vapor barrier under the concrete slab. The builder needs his ass kicked for that. Vapor barrier would prevent wicking which is the cause of this floor buckling. You should ALWAYS have vapor barrier under any interior foundation. The corrective action in this scenario is to demo the flooring and applying a sealer to the exposed surface, then reinstalling new flooring.
As a service plumber this is great info for hard to find non plumbing leaks
Unless I missed the correction , ok. There is a vapor of some kind seeping through the concrete slab. What was the correction or proper fix to this unusual problem ?
Another great video from the twins! These guys are intelligent, lovable and brilliant men. And HONEST- hard to come by these days.
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How do their shirts stay so clean?
My first guess is the concrete slab. Concrete is a sponge and osmosis will happen every time there is water under it. Proper drainage and a moisture barrier is the way to go before you pour.
They made a big thing about doing the flex tape vapour test and didn’t show the result.
Yup. They tend to leave stuff out.
Let me guess that was Roto Rooter. That is there go to and then the 30k bill comes in
Can you tell me how you put a vapor Barrier on the slab when the hardwood has to be glued down
Brilliant Detective work . Please Could you do a video showing all the different equipment you use in more detail for the different jobs you do. I would find that interesting. Thanks In advance 👏👏☺️
These 2 would make good TV presenters
Flooring guy here, that concrete should have plastic over it before the sleepers are put down. The sleepers are the strips of wood that the hardwood is installed over. So there's a problem, the hardwood guys jacked it up! Edit: I should add, I've done hundreds of calcium chloride tests on concrete hydrostatic pressure. The disposable test cost about 12 bucks. Go buy yourself one. The concrete can't exceed 4 pounds per 1000 ft² over a 24 hour period.
I have a few areas where my hardwood floor is buckled but it's from a dog leaking on the floor when it had a rug covering it.
Absolutely awesome. About half into this video I was thinking vapaor as well and when you found the concrete slab an inch away from the floor with no vapor barrier, I was like bingo.
There was a good video a few years back on Holmes on Homes with a kitchen that presented the same issue. No vapour barrier under the stab. Water was wicking under the concrete and saturating the wood floor.
I had a very good friends that bought a house and it was inspected before hand. It was a Concrete Slab and on the back side of the house over the yrs the ground / the grade of the yard was up and above the slab. It rotted the inside wall. They were thinking of suing the House Inspector. When I saw it, I said that has been going on for yrs. The wood studs acted like candle wicks; rotted right up the studs about 14"inches. After repairs a french drain was installed after the back yard was regraded. Yet how they found out, the wood was so rotted the bottom sill-plate was gone & a heavy rain event, the wood studs couldn't act like a sponge anymore; end of story. It was a hidden problem.
Read the contract you sign with a building inspector. The ones I've read, they are not liable more than what you paid them. That's my experience with the three to five hundred dollar inspections.
Shouldn't the slab have a vapor barrier between the concrete and the hardwood floor.
Great job, once the problem is determined what would be the solution? Thank you
Great work again. I am in medicine and I use the same approach with patients. I hear what has been done before, weigh the positives and negatives and reassess the patient myself. Do not take the words of past providers as gospel. Great diagnostics from you both.
Love your guys professionalism. As a home owner I try my best to take your approach when it comes to maintaining my home. Cheers from Monterey Park.
Cheers to you my friend!
Was there no vapor barrier at all? Seems like there should have been.
Was there anything on the plastic you tested under the floor? I didn't catch if it was coming from the pad or is ther was condinsation of when you checked 18 hours later?
There the best I’ve ever seen love there construction knowledge and how they fix everything and explain everything every step of the way
So what was the solution to prevent this moisture problem?
Seeing it was from the concrete flooring
Most likely ripping up the floors and putting down a moisture barrier
6:52 WHAT BRAND of glasses are those!!! that was super cool.
Agreed those glasses look so nice that snap was satisfying
That's why LABDS now requires vapor barrier seal on concrete slab .
Another thing about kitchen sinks: garbage disposals SUCK. I used to buy plumbing supplies from and old man with a old run down building, but if you had a question he had an answer, the old guy told me that a kitchen waste line was NOT made for food garbage, since then I do not recommend them.
This is hard tedious work let me tell you respect fellas
2 out 3 times I had a plumber out they lied just out right lied and tryed to get me for 6k one time then 2200 another . The 6k job was completely made up reason the 2200 job required me to rent a snake from hd for like 60 bucks problem fixed .. I don't trust most tradesmen ... Best advice is learn your self so you know when they full of it
I love the facial expressions you guys have on your thumbnail it’s better than some of the other fake shock one. Great showmen
Slab houses are a nightmare in many ways. Always buy a house with at least a crawl space, basement even better.
I disagree , I built on slab , 5500 sq ft , all my neighbours basements flood every couple of years some from ground water and some from sewer back ups , basements are good for 2 things only , storing junk ya don't want to look at any more and flooding
I’ve never seen two plumber doing so much work and not a single stain on their cloth. I guess they are execute level plumbers….
Right lol
“What is a execute level plumber”?
U havent seen too many videos then. They wear suits and those come out NASTY!!
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I mean they have a whole crew. And coveralls are pretty easy to take on and off.
So what did you do to fix vapour barrier issue?
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I don’t know if there paying for the dehumidifier sitting in the kit but not only is it to small for such a large open area but all it’s doing sitting there is removing min amount of moisture for the ambient air!!
Great videos can't wait to see more.
I've seen that happen because the dish washer vented steam out the bottom.. it happened at my dad's house..
Really good work lads
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First time viewer was wondering what locale are your videos situated. Was thinking along the lines of variable water table.
And what mini inspection camera are you using? Thanks in advance
So after you did extensive testing to find out the slab is wicking up moisture, what was your solution? Rip up floor and seal the top part of the slab? What specific ways would you keep water away from the slab outside?
We need more plumbing issue videos!!
Awesome.. we r putting in a shower drain under a concrete slap, should we change the the old pipe and wat material do we use
I used to be their boss in the 80s. Switch to ABS if possible it will last 100+ years and is like glass compared to cast iron for flow. "Westlake Plumbing".
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Great acting guys! you ARE so cute in your plumber costumes
What inspection camera are you using?
They have those plant misters right there. I'd say the water they're spraying into their plants on a regular basis is what's causing all of that.
The cute old guy getting out of the cameras frame
Alot of contractors charge by how they see the house. If it's a nice looking house they charge more
Watched a few of these videos before I realized they were twins haha!
now that they have a real diagnosis they should be reaching back out to the insurance company to see if ripping up their floor and applying a moisture barrier underneath is covered
Doubt the insurance will cover damages caused by shiiisters bad work.
These guys remind me of the little fix it guy from Wreck it Ralph lol
I’m hooked
The mr.sniffy guy lol
That's why the city inspector always calls for a vapor barrier put on slab nowadays. Maybe back then it wasn't cold because they didn't know about this but now it's a requirement. Good find for the dynamic duo.
Die is dead. Dye is blondes. really like these guys.
Great job , they really did not need a sprinkler system that close to the foundation as well as a hardwood floor floating over concrete !! Bad idea . Great video .
Great video fellas! The haters are asking about your clothing ???!! ;) I'm growing my GC business and your "non-assuming" approach is great. I want to take care of my clients and not just pick up a couple of checks. Your vids are refreshing. Keep them coming please. What are your backgrounds? Trades, school, school of life or other. It seems that you have split areas of expertise and interests?
Thanks Chris! We started as plumbers at the age of 15 working summers with our father. We grew our business from one truck to over 120 employees, we have taken our careers to things that most tradesman don’t do.
Great job on your self employment as being a GC! We appreciate your feedback 🙏
Make a video on how you started RUclips!
Can you guys please do some stuff on sewer flies, we usually find them in connection with broken kitchen sewer lines, but we have had a couple that have no apparent source for after cleaning, inspecting, and smoke testing. We cut walls, inspected floor drains, checked wax rings, and even jacked up most likely floors.
Hi Mike! Love to do one on this challenging subject. We will as soon as we get a chance buddy.
There is no such thing as sewer flies. The fly proplem is the fruit you bring into the house or the house plants. Each and every fixture is protected by a p-trap preventing even gas from penetrating. A broken line the fly would not be able to penetrate cement, soil, vapor barriers,, plywood and flooring. Your bananas are the sewer flies.
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Here in Florida, if you put a camera in 20 drain pipes and you will find sewer flies in at least 5 of them. Lots of ways for them to get into the interior of a house. Cracked or broken vent stacks, waste arms that are rotted out, wax rings that are not sealing correctly, etc. Once they exit the pipe, they can find openings in walls, cabinets, ect. to get in the living space.
Phorid flies are another type of fly that lives in drain lines. They look very similar to fruit flies but they live and breed in drain lines just like the larger sewer flies.
@@rogermccaslin5963 not many homes with those kind of problems out here. ABS has been in homes 60 years still looks new. Wax rings they still have to get past a calked down bowl. 1 dead rat in the atic will fill a house with flies. My sewer Camera I've seen white cockroaches and crickets. Most cases of bugs passing through the sewer system is an unused fixture that had the p-trap dry up.
Looking through your videos was trying to find how to fix water hammering. I have a front load washer and when it fills and shuts off several times it causes my pipes to shake . Thanks
Your proplem is the strapping of the pipes. If they are assessable strap the pipes secure. If unaccessible foam can be injected in the wall through small holes to secure the pipes.
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Water hammer arrestors
Water hammer arrestor or small bladder tank. Bladder tank is code in many places.
@@lrc87290 lol thats not the solution at all.
ground water doesn't have anywhere to go in a heavy rain?
I've diagnosed the problem - it's that cheapie refrigerator at 6:58. I'll offer to take it off their hands for say, a couple of hundred dollars. That should fix things right up.
Nice work. You never mentioned a vapor barrier under the flooring. Since you are at grade and concrete is porous why isn't there a barrier?
Yes, that was the issue is not a vapor barrier.
That’s a nice ass kitchen seeshhhh
Perhaps a French drain around the home with a downhill exit.
That floor won't change back its done they will always be cupped
a bad gasket for sink strainer leaked when draining sink, water got into insulation where
pipes pass through floor under sink and soaked the insulation over time, insulation up
against particleboard caused it to start buckling.
What caused the vapour rising?
Was there any plastic under the slab
Not clear of the issue? You said it is not this and that, such as not the drain, no water intrusion from outside (through the concrete). Soil has water? Source? Huh?
One thing that is not mentioned is how new the wood floor is. If it's a recent installation the contractor that put it in should have measured the moisture in the crawl space and on that slab.
My parents have a moisture issue that 5 contractors haven’t been able to figure out. The drywall is bubbling off and no one knows why.
Have they cut into the drywall? Gone above the area to see if it's coming from above?(roof, etc)
They like the flex seal products
A vapor issue coming up thru the concrete slab...what is the source, a high water table?
Disappointed it wasn’t rats
These guys should be cloned and mass produced. I’ve never seen such cerebral plumbers.
Duh they are cloned only two are allowed out at once. jk good work
unrelated but why is there hard wood in the kitchen who does that ? should be tile and then transition to hardwood once leaving kitchen area ,
Great video! And FYI, fully cover your face to include the nose with your mask. lol
My first guess would be leaking appliance. Dishwasher, or fridge line.
Water proofing, was it the sprinkler water getting in...is the house below the street? yea out smarting the architect fast, the plumbers the real challenge, great job.
Did you two play the twins in hellraiser bloodine????
They did
5:40 OOPS
When putting down wood floors u have to have a vapor barrier.
Interesting
vapor barrier...i am guessing before i watch to see if i m right
Could have been a bad pipe joint in the concrete. A camera would never see it.
I've never seen a slab on grade without plastic under it that wasn't damp. Putting wood on sleepers without plastic is a poor install.
😂🤣I was getting ready to make the same comment 🤣🤣
Man this looks expensive.
I don't get it... at 14:11 you were entering the house and then it jumps to your putting heavy bags on the wood flaws and mention nothing about the test!!?? Then you jump to a guy dealing with a huge deep muddy spot under the house's foundation? Why were you suddenly jumping around when you're usually so organized in your presentations?
Seems like you just put a bandaid on the real issue of water percolating out of the concrete foundation and pooling under the house causing water vapor to intrude through the concrete floor. Does anyone else feel the same way here that putting a vapor barrier isn't the solution? It's just covering up the root cause of a sewer leak somewhere pouring under the house.
Nothing to do with the sewer leaking causing this, or else you would have seen us replace the sewer line.
My basement doesn't have a vapor barrier and no plumbing in the floors. All my damp spots Were from ground water being forced under the slab by hydrostatic pressure. I installed internal French drains and solved 99% of my issues.
Don't tell me they are peeing on the floor again!
Common in industrial buildings. No vapor barrier prior to concrete pour.
Don’t buy a house on a slab.
I'll store this in the vault.
run a saw along bord Ter it up look at it repair simple as that it's all over kill this is funny