Hi Daniel. I pretty much agree with your comments across the board as I use all three programs, however, I recently discovered another called Realistic. It has few features yet but absolutely the greatest paper/canvas brush mixing I've ever experienced, especially with dry tools such as pencils and pastels. I feels like the real deal. I haven't felt this excited with a art program in years. Give it a try. You'll love it!
@@DanielIbanez I'd love to see something from you the new "realistic paint studio" and Rebelle 4 once it's released. You're amazing, man. Thanks a ton.
Rebelle 4 is better across the board and with the new oil brushes, I haven't touched Artrage. ... Edit: for those who think they're missing out because Procreate is Apple only, try Clip Studio Paint (aka Manga Pro). Its far better in my opinion overall. I do recommend a 3rd party brush "painting" bundle from Daub (as an example), to see what CSP can really do. Their in house Oil, Acrylic & Watercolor brushes don't do the program justice in my opinion.
@@s7r49 ... its not a single pen or device. Its the workflow that matters and is the point. And cheers if you find your Android pen wonderful. Personally, in my 25+ years, I've found all types of stylus technology much improved particularly in the last 5 years (give or take). However, for professional work I find Wacom still the king. I truly hope that changes. More competition drives prices down and overall better for us consumers.
@@s7r49 ... funny you should mention the 5. I gave my old 4 to my niece. I've been too spoiled these last 10 years by drawing on screen for way to many years to go back. The intous line is a great product. I was going to say "was," but even my old 4, still works just as good as the day I bought it.
@@s7r49 Already heard about ArtRage Vitae on Android? It's more like the desktop version. Also supports true color (blue and yellow becomes green) Bought it yesterday. I also use Infinity Paint btw
Thank you! How do you feel they stack up on the ipad? I know that the artrage feature set is somewhat reduced on the iPad. But I would assume that that Gap will be closing soon!
Daniel Ibanez Im getting used to doing things right handed; as I was left handed for 52 years; I recently survived a stroke (lost use of left side of my body from the stroke). Have you tried another app for iPad called Realistic? Its pretty cool so far!
@@HalfWarrior I am eager to try it! I am so hopeful that the transition going to the opposite hand is working out... I would imagine artrage to be a great tool for that practice. Thinking of you 🙏. I will try out the app you recommend!
I'm so glad to hear your honest assessment and that ArtRage was your favorite for oil simulation. My ipad 2 is so old and needs to be upgraded, but I used to love ArtRage, but everyone else was raving about Procreate, so I wondered what I was missing. I am a traditional artist having experience in most mediums, but not traditional pastels, but I loved the pastels in ArtRage. ArtRage just feels intuitive to me.
I agree! Procrate is awesome for people that are used to pencils or digital art... Artrage is for us Traditional artists and those who like chunky mediums! :)
Hi Daniel! Many thanks for the quick comparison. What about ArtRage 6 vs Photoshop Thick Paintbrushes? Photoshop is also able to simulate Oil paint if the right brushes are in hand.
Thank you for the great comment. I will definitely do that comparison! Are you thinking about Kyle's oil painting brushes? Are you thinking about a custom brush set that you found online?
Thanks, good video.. if just for the excellent ways you set up the interfaces and used the photo for the palette, but also good well beyond that. Have you used Art Set on iOS? The interface is royal pain to get going but the brushes are -by far- my favorite out of the 20+ paint apps I've tried. My current workflow includes Art Set, Rebelle 4, Procreate... and occasionally Artrage (but seeing your Artrage interface I'll set that up and try again), painter light (for the add texture tool only, and not being into paying for Photoshop, using about 3-4 programs to cover that. Pain in the ass not being able to just work in one place... Cheers.
I have not tried art set! Thank you for the tip! I agree that it would be so nice to be able to work in one place ... I usually work in photoshop and finish in Artrage... Or work in Rebelle or Artrage and fonsoh in photoshop... There is always something that only works in each program lol!
Hello Daniel. I get what you are saying about Procreate, but it is because the brushes that are built in are not really painterly in my opinion. I will send you my brushset and hope you will enjoy it.
this is definitely true procreate has geared their out of the box brushes for drawing and typical concept art/digital looking brushwork. To really get traditional feeling tools outside of drawing you have to find or make brushes. I like the frankentoon and daub brushes
Thanks for another great video Daniel. Have you ever tried the oils in Adobe Fresco on the iPad?I love Artrage on the computer but on the ipad ..not quite so much, perhaps its due an update.... Fresco is better on the oils for my money! I'd love to see you do a demo of it some day and hear your thoughts. Thanks for more great ideas!
Haha, I'm just hearing your comments in the last minute of the video! I guess Fresco isn't for you. No worries dude. I still agree with 99.9% of what you say and look forward to your next video! Peace
Thank you! I will have to give it another shot... I did not like it when it first came out. But I bet they have updated it. I have heard a rumour that artrage on ipad will soon look a lot more full featured!
I loooooove Rebelle for water color but I'm going to be getting an iPad. I'm so sad that Rebelle isn't available for ipad. I hope that changes in the future. For now I'll just have to use my laptop for watercolor. I know..... FWP! 🥴
@@DanielIbanez ... I made a post before I read this comment. Rebelle 4 has improved across the board. Watercolor & Acrylics are better and the new Oil brushes are really, really good; maybe better than Artrage.
@@DanielIbanez... right! The add water acts like linseed oil or turpentine, as examples. The fact you can lay down a glaze &/or build up your painting is awesome. Rebelle is definitely headed in the right direction. Every edition has only been leaps better than the previous. Many of my students, have switched to Rebelle over Painter, especially since Painter no longer supports Tablets including the Surface Pro 7 & issues with Wacom's tablets. I wish Corel would sell Painter, instead of milking it to death (so to speak).
I have rebelle, its ok but you need a powerful computer. Even with an i7 and 32gb of ram the program will slow down if I paint at half sheet size with print dpi and WC. Artrage runs a lot smoother. I dont use layers in artrage but I imagine it doesnt matter Since ive started on artrage I dont really paint in procreate all that much anymore. The big downside for me with anything compared to procreate is the lack of the apple pencil. I do (or did before covid) alot of life drawing on the ipad and I could basically get the same level of halftones I would with a prismacolor or pitt pastel using the pencil on its side. Ive been doing alot of figure drawing at home from photos lately and just havent found good settings for it in artrage. Ive been using the sketchbook pro pencil tool and airbrush to get similar effects, still kind of awkward to use two tools when one would work better. I just got painter 2020 in the humble bundle for 40$ and it sucks compared to artrage. Runs poorly and its more like photoshop than artrage....some OK brushes and tools but overall artrage is just so much better of a paint simulator.
I AGREE with everything you said! I finally upgraded my pc, and that is the only way I could run Rebelle 3 well. Before that, the cursor was just a loading icon... lots of crashes... etc. With a high power PC it is awesome... But again, yes, ARTRAGE is so so far beyond Painter... I don'y know why anyone would use Painter. Your comments are spot on!
Daniel Ibanez I see a few guys pushing painter hard on RUclips but really they look like they haven’t had any real art training what so ever, then there’s a few holdouts who are still using it in concept art and illustration because that’s what they know . Doesn’t make sense to me either and I feel a bit like I wasted 40$. Even the sales tactic to me doesn’t make sense... the software is worth 400$ but if I wait till you add like 2 features next year I can get it without those for 10% of that?! I’m still doing typically digital type artworks but I’m using affinity photo/designer for that (mostly cuz I don’t like adobe rent our software business model) and that does everything painter does minus the real paint simulation better. I dunno it’s odd to me, artrage is so damn good I don’t know why it isn’t more popular... Even if they really brought the iPad version up to par I think at this point nothing will compete with procreate on any level in terms of user base. It’s become what photoshop is on pc. I’m actually looking forward to the day they say ok we are doing procreate for Mac and pc... adobe will be sweating bullets
@@brushonfire8800 so true. The only difference for me is, that I teach photoshop. And so I get a really good discount on the creative suite... and I just couldn't do my client work without it. I would say that I use outrage Photoshop equally and I use rebelle for mixing it up... I do think that bringing artrage mobile up to equivalence with pc should be a goal for the Artrage team!
I'm wondering if Artrage 6 has fixed what I call a bug. On-canvas blending. Painting a low-saturation, greyed-out, color into a black or darker grey. Extra blending pulls out a higher-intensity color. A high-saturation blue from a low-level grey-blue, for example. For no real reason. Kind of frustrating. Doesn't seem realistic to me. Can't get median colors like I want. If they did something where a grey color blends satisfactorily into a darker color, that could be a seller for me. Or an upgrade in my case.
That is absolutely a quirk of the software! I actually talked to the company about that somewhat recently... I will let you know if I hear any news on a change in that department!
@@DanielIbanez Hi, Daniel. Right on. Quirk is an accurate word. Yeah, I'd be real curious what they can come up with if you can update. Because I think they could get some really great effects if they worked that out. Even add some more dimensions to the process. Realize the process. Let us know what you find out. Pretty cool how the colors work with the apples here. Kind of why I asked. Thanks for the message.
@@DanielIbanez Didn't intend to sound funny :-) it was a frank question. Your channel is on my watchlist. I am sure i can learn a lot from you. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I like so much Procreate, but is not well suited for oil painting simulation. You can create or use better custom brushes than default ones, but they don't fell as Artrage or even Rebelle. IMHO on iPad -for oil painting simulation- is better Artstudio Pro, has better blending, some kind of thick paint (in v3.0) and better default brushes. And even better Artset 4 with proper canvas influence and real thick paint. On computer, for thick paint i like Corel Painter. I also have Artrage 6, but i don't used it a lot. I need to use it more often.
Thank you for all of that! I really agree with your perspective . Although I do not really like Corel painter very much... I will have to compare it to artrage in my next video to see if my opinion is changed! Thank you for the feedback!
Not this one... But I will have some! This is part of my artrage beginners series. I genuinely love artrage. I keep finding ways to make it better and better. I am sure I could do the same with procreate... But I am an old oil painter and artrage is just so much more familiar because of that background! When it comes to watercolor... Artrage is far behind Rebelle. When it comes to digital sketching... Artrage is far behind procreate.... But for oil painting... Artrage all the way :).
@@DanielIbanez Muchisimas gracias, necesitaba este comentario. No sabía si obtener Artrage o Rebelle. Gracias a tí me voy a decidir por comprar Artrage como mi simulador de pintura al oleo. También estoy decidiendo que simulador de pintura a la acuarela comprar, he encontrado Expresii y tambien he encontrado Rebelle. No se si existen más software de simulación de acuarela. ¿Qué software de simulación de acuarela realista me recomendarías? Muchísimas gracias por tu trabajo.
@@PedroCreaciones there new update for Rebelle is amazing. I just did two videos comparing both artrage and Rebelle again. They are both so so so good!
Hi Daniel. I pretty much agree with your comments across the board as I use all three programs, however, I recently discovered another called Realistic. It has few features yet but absolutely the greatest paper/canvas brush mixing I've ever experienced, especially with dry tools such as pencils and pastels. I feels like the real deal. I haven't felt this excited with a art program in years. Give it a try. You'll love it!
Ted! That sounds amazing! I will try it tonight... Thank you for the recommendation! 💪
Love to see you try the new Rebelle 4 oils. Feels like a good upgrade to me.
I am going to review it this week! So excited!
Why does this only have 1000 views? Good golly this guy should be HUGE.
Thank you sir! I need to post a lot more frequently 🙏🙏. I will try to keep getting videos up. Thank you for the encouragement!!!
@@DanielIbanez I'd love to see something from you the new "realistic paint studio" and Rebelle 4 once it's released. You're amazing, man. Thanks a ton.
Rebelle 4 is better across the board and with the new oil brushes, I haven't touched Artrage.
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Edit: for those who think they're missing out because Procreate is Apple only, try Clip Studio Paint (aka Manga Pro). Its far better in my opinion overall. I do recommend a 3rd party brush "painting" bundle from Daub (as an example), to see what CSP can really do. Their in house Oil, Acrylic & Watercolor brushes don't do the program justice in my opinion.
@@s7r49 ... its not a single pen or device. Its the workflow that matters and is the point.
And cheers if you find your Android pen wonderful.
Personally, in my 25+ years, I've found all types of stylus technology much improved particularly in the last 5 years (give or take). However, for professional work I find Wacom still the king.
I truly hope that changes. More competition drives prices down and overall better for us consumers.
@@s7r49 ... funny you should mention the 5. I gave my old 4 to my niece. I've been too spoiled these last 10 years by drawing on screen for way to many years to go back.
The intous line is a great product. I was going to say "was," but even my old 4, still works just as good as the day I bought it.
@@s7r49 which comes the closest to Rebelle?
@@s7r49 Already heard about ArtRage Vitae on Android? It's more like the desktop version. Also supports true color (blue and yellow becomes green) Bought it yesterday. I also use Infinity Paint btw
Best comparison! Thank you.
Thank you!! I hope it helps!
Thank you so much! I love your chunky style and teaching videos.
Thank you Karen! Please let me know if there's anything you're curious about that I can focus on in future videos. 🙏
I would love to see beginner videos on painting faces in ArtRage. Or if you’ve already done that please point me to them.
@@Waterart4u I have done some paint-alongs but nothing directed at beginners. Great idea!
Always very cool content Daniel ; Thank you!Im trying these same apps on ipad
Thank you! How do you feel they stack up on the ipad? I know that the artrage feature set is somewhat reduced on the iPad. But I would assume that that Gap will be closing soon!
Daniel Ibanez Im getting used to doing things right handed; as I was left handed for 52 years; I recently survived a stroke (lost use of left side of my body from the stroke). Have you tried another app for iPad called Realistic? Its pretty cool so far!
@@HalfWarrior I am eager to try it! I am so hopeful that the transition going to the opposite hand is working out... I would imagine artrage to be a great tool for that practice. Thinking of you 🙏. I will try out the app you recommend!
I'm so glad to hear your honest assessment and that ArtRage was your favorite for oil simulation. My ipad 2 is so old and needs to be upgraded, but I used to love ArtRage, but everyone else was raving about Procreate, so I wondered what I was missing. I am a traditional artist having experience in most mediums, but not traditional pastels, but I loved the pastels in ArtRage. ArtRage just feels intuitive to me.
I agree! Procrate is awesome for people that are used to pencils or digital art... Artrage is for us Traditional artists and those who like chunky mediums! :)
Hi Daniel! Many thanks for the quick comparison.
What about ArtRage 6 vs Photoshop Thick Paintbrushes? Photoshop is also able to simulate Oil paint if the right brushes are in hand.
Thank you for the great comment. I will definitely do that comparison! Are you thinking about Kyle's oil painting brushes? Are you thinking about a custom brush set that you found online?
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Thanks, good video.. if just for the excellent ways you set up the interfaces and used the photo for the palette, but also good well beyond that. Have you used Art Set on iOS? The interface is royal pain to get going but the brushes are -by far- my favorite out of the 20+ paint apps I've tried. My current workflow includes Art Set, Rebelle 4, Procreate... and occasionally Artrage (but seeing your Artrage interface I'll set that up and try again), painter light (for the add texture tool only, and not being into paying for Photoshop, using about 3-4 programs to cover that. Pain in the ass not being able to just work in one place... Cheers.
I have not tried art set! Thank you for the tip! I agree that it would be so nice to be able to work in one place ... I usually work in photoshop and finish in Artrage... Or work in Rebelle or Artrage and fonsoh in photoshop... There is always something that only works in each program lol!
Thank you. Saved me some money. Artrage it is
The new version of Artrage and The new version of Rebelle are both amazing! I have a new review coming up ASAP!
Hello Daniel. I get what you are saying about Procreate, but it is because the brushes that are built in are not really painterly in my opinion. I will send you my brushset and hope you will enjoy it.
That is so generous of you! I would be very happy to try your brushes!!! Thank you!
Daniel Ibanez No problem. I have sent a link to the e-mail address found on the contact page www.danielibanez.net/
this is definitely true procreate has geared their out of the box brushes for drawing and typical concept art/digital looking brushwork. To really get traditional feeling tools outside of drawing you have to find or make brushes. I like the frankentoon and daub brushes
@@brushonfire8800 I will have to check those out!
Thanks for another great video Daniel. Have you ever tried the oils in Adobe Fresco on the iPad?I love Artrage on the computer but on the ipad ..not quite so much, perhaps its due an update.... Fresco is better on the oils for my money! I'd love to see you do a demo of it some day and hear your thoughts. Thanks for more great ideas!
Haha, I'm just hearing your comments in the last minute of the video! I guess Fresco isn't for you. No worries dude. I still agree with 99.9% of what you say and look forward to your next video! Peace
Thank you! I will have to give it another shot... I did not like it when it first came out. But I bet they have updated it. I have heard a rumour that artrage on ipad will soon look a lot more full featured!
I loooooove Rebelle for water color but I'm going to be getting an iPad. I'm so sad that Rebelle isn't available for ipad. I hope that changes in the future. For now I'll just have to use my laptop for watercolor. I know..... FWP! 🥴
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Hi Daniel...I have a question.
Why is there an "X" and you can't continue painting?? Can you answer this please?
Rebelle 4 also has an oil category now. An incredible piece of software.
I will review it ASAP! Thank you
@@DanielIbanez ... I made a post before I read this comment. Rebelle 4 has improved across the board. Watercolor & Acrylics are better and the new Oil brushes are really, really good; maybe better than Artrage.
@@johnkon2810 I am really loving the Rebelle 4 update .. working on a review at the moment. The oils are actually incredibly good!!!!
@@DanielIbanez... right! The add water acts like linseed oil or turpentine, as examples. The fact you can lay down a glaze &/or build up your painting is awesome.
Rebelle is definitely headed in the right direction. Every edition has only been leaps better than the previous.
Many of my students, have switched to Rebelle over Painter, especially since Painter no longer supports Tablets including the Surface Pro 7 & issues with Wacom's tablets.
I wish Corel would sell Painter, instead of milking it to death (so to speak).
Can you try Windows Fresh Paint? the wet paint looks good in this.
I should give it a go!
I have rebelle, its ok but you need a powerful computer. Even with an i7 and 32gb of ram the program will slow down if I paint at half sheet size with print dpi and WC. Artrage runs a lot smoother. I dont use layers in artrage but I imagine it doesnt matter Since ive started on artrage I dont really paint in procreate all that much anymore. The big downside for me with anything compared to procreate is the lack of the apple pencil. I do (or did before covid) alot of life drawing on the ipad and I could basically get the same level of halftones I would with a prismacolor or pitt pastel using the pencil on its side. Ive been doing alot of figure drawing at home from photos lately and just havent found good settings for it in artrage. Ive been using the sketchbook pro pencil tool and airbrush to get similar effects, still kind of awkward to use two tools when one would work better. I just got painter 2020 in the humble bundle for 40$ and it sucks compared to artrage. Runs poorly and its more like photoshop than artrage....some OK brushes and tools but overall artrage is just so much better of a paint simulator.
I AGREE with everything you said! I finally upgraded my pc, and that is the only way I could run Rebelle 3 well. Before that, the cursor was just a loading icon... lots of crashes... etc. With a high power PC it is awesome... But again, yes, ARTRAGE is so so far beyond Painter... I don'y know why anyone would use Painter. Your comments are spot on!
Daniel Ibanez I see a few guys pushing painter hard on RUclips but really they look like they haven’t had any real art training what so ever, then there’s a few holdouts who are still using it in concept art and illustration because that’s what they know . Doesn’t make sense to me either and I feel a bit like I wasted 40$. Even the sales tactic to me doesn’t make sense... the software is worth 400$ but if I wait till you add like 2 features next year I can get it without those for 10% of that?!
I’m still doing typically digital type artworks but I’m using affinity photo/designer for that (mostly cuz I don’t like adobe rent our software business model) and that does everything painter does minus the real paint simulation better.
I dunno it’s odd to me, artrage is so damn good I don’t know why it isn’t more popular...
Even if they really brought the iPad version up to par I think at this point nothing will compete with procreate on any level in terms of user base.
It’s become what photoshop is on pc.
I’m actually looking forward to the day they say ok we are doing procreate for Mac and pc... adobe will be sweating bullets
@@brushonfire8800 so true. The only difference for me is, that I teach photoshop. And so I get a really good discount on the creative suite... and I just couldn't do my client work without it. I would say that I use outrage Photoshop equally and I use rebelle for mixing it up... I do think that bringing artrage mobile up to equivalence with pc should be a goal for the Artrage team!
I'm wondering if Artrage 6 has fixed what I call a bug. On-canvas blending. Painting a low-saturation, greyed-out, color into a black or darker grey. Extra blending pulls out a higher-intensity color. A high-saturation blue from a low-level grey-blue, for example. For no real reason. Kind of frustrating. Doesn't seem realistic to me. Can't get median colors like I want. If they did something where a grey color blends satisfactorily into a darker color, that could be a seller for me. Or an upgrade in my case.
That is absolutely a quirk of the software! I actually talked to the company about that somewhat recently... I will let you know if I hear any news on a change in that department!
@@DanielIbanez Hi, Daniel. Right on. Quirk is an accurate word. Yeah, I'd be real curious what they can come up with if you can update. Because I think they could get some really great effects if they worked that out. Even add some more dimensions to the process. Realize the process. Let us know what you find out. Pretty cool how the colors work with the apples here. Kind of why I asked. Thanks for the message.
Isn't this Artrage for PC. My android and ipad versions do not look like this.
Yes! This is artrage 6 on PC. I will do a mobile review soon!
@@DanielIbanez Didn't intend to sound funny :-) it was a frank question. Your channel is on my watchlist. I am sure i can learn a lot from you. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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Thank you thank you love!
Does rebelle 4 work on ipad?
There is no version for the iPad currently. But there is a new ipad version of Artrage called Artrage Vitae
@@DanielIbanez thank you, also I saw people drawing someone with rebelle 4 on ipad I guess there is a way
@@cozmin1424 there is a way to share your screen from your Mac to your ipad.
I like so much Procreate, but is not well suited for oil painting simulation. You can create or use better custom brushes than default ones, but they don't fell as Artrage or even Rebelle. IMHO on iPad -for oil painting simulation- is better Artstudio Pro, has better blending, some kind of thick paint (in v3.0) and better default brushes. And even better Artset 4 with proper canvas influence and real thick paint.
On computer, for thick paint i like Corel Painter.
I also have Artrage 6, but i don't used it a lot. I need to use it more often.
Thank you for all of that! I really agree with your perspective . Although I do not really like Corel painter very much... I will have to compare it to artrage in my next video to see if my opinion is changed! Thank you for the feedback!
sponsored by artrage? :p
Not this one... But I will have some! This is part of my artrage beginners series. I genuinely love artrage. I keep finding ways to make it better and better. I am sure I could do the same with procreate... But I am an old oil painter and artrage is just so much more familiar because of that background! When it comes to watercolor... Artrage is far behind Rebelle. When it comes to digital sketching... Artrage is far behind procreate.... But for oil painting... Artrage all the way :).
@@DanielIbanez Up until Rebelle 4 new oil painting tools ... thanks for the vid !
@@TonySANBliss888 I can't wait to try Rebelle 4!!!!
@@DanielIbanez Muchisimas gracias, necesitaba este comentario. No sabía si obtener Artrage o Rebelle. Gracias a tí me voy a decidir por comprar Artrage como mi simulador de pintura al oleo.
También estoy decidiendo que simulador de pintura a la acuarela comprar, he encontrado Expresii y tambien he encontrado Rebelle. No se si existen más software de simulación de acuarela. ¿Qué software de simulación de acuarela realista me recomendarías? Muchísimas gracias por tu trabajo.
@@PedroCreaciones there new update for Rebelle is amazing. I just did two videos comparing both artrage and Rebelle again. They are both so so so good!