"Most people are not extremists, most people just are not. They don't really have a voice. Extremists have occupied noise." This is powerful stuff. I'd like to hear the rest of this thought.
What I would add to that is that the noise from extremist eventually becomes normalized. Allowing them to have a microphone set to max volume at all times is exhausting and damaging.
Its because normal people dont organize into millitias and buy guns. The Fanatics do, they roll into town and conscript the men who can fight at the barrel of the gun.
There's a quote by George Bernard Shaw, the Irish playwright and activist who saw alot of societal upheaval, that goes: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." That's what Garland is referring to, though the original quote was more about innovation in a way. Though Civil war is innovation in a way also. All the media is focused on the unrreasnable man, and they are the ones quoted and put on TV. In a Russian Disinformation Study" or the "Russian Fake News Study," done by researchers at the Psychological Department of Moscow State University and published in the journal "Psychological Science, they found that you can change people's view of reality within a couple of days if you bombarded them with enough disinformation. This is one of the main issues in the US. The news is owned by just a few corporations and they focus on the extremes and polarize people, which is what creates the environment for Civil War.
If your not at least a little unnerved by "what kind of American?" then either you haven't been paying attention, or you're the one asking that question. One of the better interviews I've seen in quite a while. IDGAF about politicians or celebrity BS.
Nothing wrong with politicians. Politicians are a reflection of the people whom they represent. Like this guy is tired of Journalists getting a bad reputation, I'm kind of tired of the "politicians bad" trope. No, only certain ones are.
@@Lennybird91 that’s not true at all. We don’t have a choice, just the illusion of choice. The big donors and party insiders are the ones that truly decide and then we lose rights one way or the other regardless of which way you vote. Both sides trying to control the other, creating laws that make us less free with every swing of the pendulum.
Love that he spoke out for journalists, but there is a real issue with the 24-hr news cycle industrial complex that we've found ourselves in. But we need to distinguish that from journalists.
Yeah it's also the fact that news agencies have consolidated into increasingly fewer hands over the past 50 years. The hands under which they have consolidated belong to the mega rich, who have interests closely aligned with high ranking members of government. That defeats the entire purpose of the "Fourth Estate"...
Yeah but so-called journalists that work for corporate media outlets are partisan hacks. Real journalists are mostly Independent but you almost never hear about them in the mainstream media, which is why people turn to social media for actual news.
For an interview with practically zero jokes or humour, that was one of the best interviews I've ever watched here on TDS. Does no harm at all for us to be presented with something like this every now and again here, especially when most viewers of TDS would share a similar ideology or outlook. No need to apologise for your lack of jokes Mr. Garland - you were compelling viewing as you were.
I think you can even see Michael Kosta adjusting to being more serious as the interview goes on. At the start, he seems too eager to revert back to making jokes but lets it go eventually. You can tell he is still learning how to find the balance and the right tone, especially compared to Jon Stewart (not meant as criticism). Very interesting interview in any case.
I didn't think I could watch this movie, until I heard this interview. It's clear from listening to Garland, that it's a thoughtful film, not a sensationalized action adventure movie.
Yeah, one certainly wouldn't ever want to watch something that leaves them thinking about what they just watched. Films should be things that we immediately flush out of our brains as soon as the credits roll.
It is absolutely true that people feel we are grower closer and closer to one. As a country though, regular Americans aren’t going to like the ugliness of war. It is especially bad when it is your own countrymen.
How exactly do these Banana Republican trumpsters think one would actually play out though? I don't think they've thought it through. Door to door "huntin' the libs"????
@@markright6759 i feel the same. the extremists have been pedaling the narrative for a while. we're talking about war only because they're talking about war. there's a slight difference.... some are using the theme for all sorts of clout, gifting, you name it... fear sells. but we should also keep in mind that while there were/are training camps and organizations preparing for a war (the 3%ers, oath keepers, proud boys, boogaloo boys, to name a few) when their leaders got arrested after the J6, there was no fighting, no financial support, no push back, no nothing... in fact some flipped and got into deals w/ the DAs, so that's that.. amateur hour as they say, to me they look more like cosplaying than being 'militants'.
Get with it in the editing, guys. You cut off the outro and missed the handshake. May seem small, but capture the whole clip and give the guest their due
The talk about the press was on point. I don’t think we should demonize them either. Yes, sometimes they get it wrong. But, if a person is open to ideas, you can double check by looking at both sides. Doing research about a topic improves press literacy.
@@publicuser2534 The press is nothing more than the extension of our government at this point. They all shill for those in power, it can be big pharma, Biden, Trump it doesn't matter, all of it is controlled to keep us divided and not pulling them down.
Straight up....jokes are great, and have their place...even, and if not especially in some interviews, but the no jokes straightforward nature of this one was legendary.
@@dennislp3 For sure. I've seen too many interviews where the jokes distract from what the guests are saying. It was great that Michael could sense the tone and let him talk.
Politics is a tool to serve the people NOT AN IDENTITY!! I'm English and it breaks my heart to watch this happen to America. I hope this film wakes people up to that fact
i can’t even write comments that youtube won’t delete. fake country. you cannot write ANYTHING about how to take power from US oligarchs. it will be brutal and it will not be televised.
Politics is supposed to be about policies. The Americans have made it into a personality contest, making demigods out of their politicians, and while they have become cultists their demigods don't actually care about policies. It's scary.
Eldridge Cleaver summed up why America matters to the rest of the world, and that was in 1968, when the Vietnam War was at its peak: "It is not an overstatement to say that the destiny of the entire human race depends on what is going on in America today. This is a staggering reality to the rest of the world; they must feel like passengers in a supersonic jet liner who are forced to watch helplessly while a passel of drunks, hypes, freaks, and madmen fight for the controls and the pilot’s seat."
Reading "The Beach" 20 years ago I remember thinking it was such a deep and original take on the scars of war. The feature film did not even touch the subject. I am glad Alex Garland decided to make his own films.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I was blown away by The Beach when I read it-probably when you did. Watching the film was a "Did we read the same book???" experience.
He’s got an impressive track record: The Beach, screenplay for 28 days and 28 weeks later, Sunshine, and Dredd. Wrote and directed Ex Machina, Annihilation, Devs, and Men.
Dude wrote a script for a Halo movie that never came to be in the mid 2000’s. It surfaced on the internet a few years ago. Might be the best video game adaptation script I’ve ever read. I was a fan after that. So I’m sure it’ll be great.
if i can ask anything of people reading these, go see this movie. I got lucky with a pre screening and I haven't been more pushed by a film in a really long time. its brutal and entirely possible.
One thing we as a people need to get comfortable asking and answering is "why do you believe that?". That needs to be a primary point of conversations.
@@roberttalada5196Ironically, we both agree that no one can agree on anything anymore. Consensus reality is dead. 2+2 does, in fact, equal 5 to so many people. And they will never, ever be convinced that anything else is true.
@@Blackhoodie85 - There is only one set of actual facts. The source of the facts is irrelevant. Agreement about the source of the facts is irrelevant. Whether one agrees with the facts, or not, does not alter the facts.
Yes, and very deeply intense and humble, only mentioning in passing that he started the film before January 6. Whereas some others would boast about its propheticness.
Let's create a country that has healthcare and journalism for all. At moment the journalism, education and healthcare seem to be lacking for everyone but the rich. Everything in the USA in owned by a few rich billionaires. Let's stand up to the American Oligarchy.
I believe that due to the eviseration of public education over the last 60 years in the US, half the population will actively vote against their own interests, to support any number of fascist demagogues, fundamentalist theocrats and charlatans.
I wish you luck, but some of us have to pay bills till we die because poverty is a misdemeanor and homelessness is a felony in this Skinner Box called Murrica...
I saw this movie today and absolutely loved it. Despite the vagueness around the political background of the conflict, I felt it was clear in its message. And living in the DC area, that last 30 minutes was so intense!
Kostas seemed intimidated in this interview, he might have been unsettled by the fact that Garland didn't seem to like his attempts at humor, clearly Garland wanted to have a serious conversation, regardless of the venue.
Garland will admit he struggles with the public facing side of things. He always does. He comes across as aloof and dismissive (partly because he is) but also because he just hates this kind of thing. I have no doubt his publisher or production company urged him to appear on something like this, to do the promotional rounds in order to generate attention for the movie... he understands the value of this stuff, I think he was burned by his experiences on DRED and wants to do the best he can to sell the movie, but he will always be horribly uncomfortable in these situations - it's just who he is.
I felt Kostas read Garland early on, pivoting well to abandon his usual quippy sarcasm and instead going for the straight forward Q & A. Kostas also revealed he actually saw the film and differentiated the film narrative and the trailer clips.
We in the United States are very entitled and have no clue what would happen if we had a civil war. No one would win, our way of life would be completely destroyed. My wife lived through a civil war and her birth country has never recovered, even 30 years later.
My great great great grandfather was a sawbones for the Union in the American Civil War (and hopefully the only). I read his journals, well what I could make out, penmanship was different then. Few Americans know the bloodshed and pain, they don't understand the failures of reconstruction and how that divide never fully healed, and most people don't seem to recall that in our Civil War there were SIX TIMES as many casualties suffered by the US during WWII. I don't think most people understand how absolutely deadly and destructive a civil war is, its fantasized because war has for America over the past century, never touched our soil. It happened 'over there', out of mind. But theres nothing that prevents Chicago or Atlanta or anywhere else from looking exactly like Gaza.
I appreciate your history lesson and heart perspective. Americans of this generation could be the "great generation" if they learn this lesson well. Thank you.
This dude is spot on about people knowing fascist or far right are negative terms but at the same time they don't identify themselves as such despite holding those beliefs.
That's a fate that the US shares with the former East Germany... Both were anti-fascist by definition, while we in West Germany had to actually learn about what fascism looks and sounds like BEFORE people are all wearing uniforms and hunt opposition in the streets!
@@firefly9838try to stay away from “what-about-ism” and you’ll find a far more productive conversation can be had In truth, countries across the world that have tried to/are purported to have realised “communism” on a large scale have almost invariably fallen into right-wing dictatorships. The human nature element of power and politics means that “far-left” ideologies, such as communism, almost can’t exist in reality. Look at what happened to famous examples of communism like Cuba and Russia. Those aren’t communist states
Because they're at a comedy show and biased towards laughing at anything, however insignificant. It's a shame that modern journalism is in the state that it's in and that we now have to rely on comedy shows to get any kind of decent reporting.
After watching both Ex Machina and DEVS, I have a lot of faith in this guy. His films are incredibly compelling, and stunningly filmed and acted. Can't wait to see this.
Bravo! Blaming the press is weak and lazy. I am so glad to hear this said out loud. When someone says "the media" I cringe. What about the people? What about us?
It would be great to clarify why. The media only incentive is money and no one is holding them accountable for half-truths, mislead reports and straightforward lies, therefore they increase advertising every year, so they have to increase viewership full of sensationalist stuff which appeals to our basic emotions, mostly fear and anger. Once you are aware that with this nonstop loop someone is directing you with selling bigotry, racism, homophobia it can be too late. Democracy is constant awareness noz just about governments propaganda, corporations ro it to with advertising and marketing.
@@dayegilharno4988We blame the consumer based on a lot of people being ignorant to the differences in journalism. Most people dont pay attention to what's an opinion piece, factual presenting, or an analysis. They just dont, then they blame the media when its them who cant tell the difference. 😂😂😂
As someone who works for the US Government, I'm so tired of political parties demeaning the people who work within the govt. Military, forestry, regulators, public health, housing, disaster recovery, law enforcement, education… we're all here because we want to. We are not some villain conspiring against the employer and country we love. Time to get back to country over party, and learn to have respectful agree and disagreements.
Couldn't agree more. So much respect is given to the armed forces for "serving their country" without considering the other public servants that serve the country in just as meaningful (if not moreso) ways. But few seem interested in paying respect to our public servants.
Thank you for pointing this out! I never read the novel, but did watch the film. Riveting in many ways about the psyche of humans whilst traveling in foreign lands, in the wilderness. Along with the soundtrack, it actually shaped a big part of my adolescence. Now I would like to visit that story again and read the book.
I like him and I don't like that I read something about him wanting to be done making films. It would be a loss for lovers of thought provoking speculative fiction everywhere.
But being so provocative with speculative fiction, in order for us to wake up to what could happen, must be extremely depressing and terrifying to always be with the deep intensity of horrific possibilities.
truth is oxycontin is why we’re here. ask why they sold oxycontin to what they privately called “hillbillies and pillbillies,” laughing while they died. that’s extremism. that’s the real crime. 6 million dead in the real, living memory holocaust.
truth is 💊 are why we’re here. the ones released in 1996 that started the opioid epidemic. democracy’s failure to achieve justice. i’d write more detailed but the AI sentry blocks my writings.
It seems disingenuous for the media to be saying they despise the idea of a civil war when they elevate people calling for it (Coulter, MTG, Trump, etc.).
Meh, but is the media elevating these people because the media actually wants to test the waters for civil war or is it just bottom line, clicks and views? We the people are the ones obsessed with sensationalism and hanging on the crazies every word. If we stopped giving them as much attention, the media would follow.
Hate to say it but I think it should have been Jon in the interview. This country needs this movie and this interview in particular needs to be taken seriously.
America has owned slaves for longer than they have not owned slaves. How long do you think it takes for us as a country and it s institutions to move on from that?
@@drgribb we would if they were honest and not tabloid journalism! Michael West and multiple respectable journalists including the late, great John Pilger won't even work for them so how can we rely on an objective fourth estate when we basically have a media duopoly and political vested interests by those who own those "newspapers" you are just embarrassing yourself!
Saw it yesterday. It was riveting, depressing, thought-provoking and beautifully acted and filmed and...must be seen in a theatre. the assault on D.C. at the end is unlike anything I've seen.
I love how people who are intelligent and articulate always look so uncomfortable on television, as if they're allergic to the spotlight or something. If you've ever been on a stage or set, you know what I'm talking about.
What a great interview. i both look forward and dread seeing this movie. . We need our free press. I still have faith in them! The forth state, stand strong be honest! Report the facts and if you're on the daily show keep onn doing while making us laugh!
Just for curiosity… you ate ssying that the Daily Dhow is the real high moral media that only cares about the truth and are the free and unbiased media?
An admirable man, humble, well spoken. I love Costa but he wasn’t the right choice to interview the guy, he kept interrupting, saying “right” etc. which was distracting. Will look for other interviews with Garland. Motivated now to see the movie.
We live is a strange world now. Even though it is fictional the possibility is more stronger than ever before. Remarkable I remember an HBO Original film called "Second Civil War" which was a comedy and satire since everyone said not likely to happen. Now we have another film suggesting another Civil War in the United States and now it is a serious film ko longer something to laugh but to ponder.
Ching this on You Tube. SO GLAD I WAS NOT IN THE AUDIENCE ...AS I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO OVERCOME THE FEELUNG TO JUMP UP & RUN TO HUG THIS GUY ❗❗❗ And I have NEVER felt tjat way before. ❗FANTASTIC - TIMELY INTERVIEW Daily Show ❗❗❗
There is a 5th column, it consists of regular people. People who, in normal circumstances, just pick up the pieces and put society back together after/during a crisis. Those are the very same people who work diligently to protect and serve our society, as it is, with no reward or credit. I assure you . . . NO ONE should want to pick a fight with them.
Journalists ARE extremely important to our way of life. But we absolutely have to find a way to cease the marketing inherent in most mainstream news…marketing is a term I use here because too many outlets are giving just enough context to stir anxiety and anger BECAUSE angry, anxious people stay tuned and that sells advertising. We need to get back to “the Fairness Doctrine” and Walter Cronkite style reporting without hyperbole and/or deletion of context that would reduce anxiety. The WHOLE story is important. I recommend people seek out news sources that are rigorous in fact checking and provide as much context as possible. One excellent source of such news is RUclipsr “Beau of the Fifth Column”. Yes, there is a decided left slant but also enough context to reduce anxiety.
Beau only “leans left” only because DJT didn’t just push it, he drop kicked Overton’s Window so far to the right, anything that promotes any form of social equity feels “leftist” to many out there. Even if he is an avowed Progressive, there’s nothing wrong with caring about issues if they don’t actually affect him in his daily life. When someone lives their life with a true sense integrity, intellectual dishonesty from people like DJT and all those who still support him become quite off putting. If you like Beau, and I do too, check out Tennessee Brando too, except he doesn’t sugarcoat his material as well as Beau does. Side note: If you’re not familiar with it yet, Google: #Project2025 when you have the chance.
@@DiscoDashco Project 2025 is as terrifying as it is disgusting. I am a military retiree, also did 3 yrs as DOD civilian as I transitioned to my current career. Effectively making EVERY Federal Employee swear allegiance to a man rather than the Constitution is about as dystopian as I can imagine. I will look for Tennessee Brando
So everyone is clear, this is a movie about journalists. As a former war photog, that element was spot on. This could be set in any of the wars I was in.
@@nadominhocaThat individual is heated in their words, yes, but if you listen to the things DJT says, it’s not to be taken lightly. Google: #Project2025 for an idea of what lies at stake here, and why someone like this sounds hyperbolic the way they do. When DJT says he’d “only be dictator for one day” you can believe him in two ways; that he would become one, but not just for a day. Never in recorded history has anyone who has usurped power in government to establish a dictatorship has ever given up their power eventually, gradually, willingly. When faced with the conundrum of clarifying what he meant by that, he doubled down on it too.
Alex, a man who seems extremely uncomfortable in front of the camera but with conviction in his words, an amazing writer, some of my favorite films, also the husband of a crush in my teens, not sure if I am more jealous of him or her (Hi Polo).
@traviselrod7803 oh, you got it backwards..as i said, i love and applaud journalists. I loathe those who try to silence them. EDUCATION IS THE ENEMY OF THE OPPRESSOR. :)
8:00 All respect to Garland, but Boris Johnson also came up AS A JOURNALIST. Failures within the "4th Estate" are as responsible for our dysfunction as anything else.
That last thing he said was one of the most profound. Every person who is at least trying to be a decent human being has some loonie out there claiming to represent them, and has to grapple with other people saying, “Oh, you’re _______ just like those creeps over there, I already know what you think, what you believe, how dumb you are...” They aren’t interested in being corrected either. When you say you’re not like those people, folks roll their eyes and say, “Oh, #notall_______,” and still won’t listen. If you’re reading this and can’t think of any situation where someone misjudged you this way, you’re probably either an extremist or someone who doesn’t do much of anything.
You cut off the most important and interesting point for what? Fast food commercials? Big business in the press and in general would be a key contributor to a Civil War. They trivialize EVERYTHING.
It just occurred to me: how would Mr. Garland feel if an American filmmaker made a movie called Civil War that took place in Ireland, but makes no mention of Catholics, Protestants or loyalty or lack thereof towards Britain and instead makes up some vague convoluted scenario that deliberately ignores existing regional affiliations? How would the Irish feel about an American director telling a story that implies that Ireland’s actual history and contentious issues don’t matter and the real problem is simply that people disagree on things and war is bad?
@jdj830 How would he feel? I would hazard a guess that he'd be fine with it because he believes in artistic freedom and isn't a total snowflake who gets butthurt by other people's storytelling ideas.
Uh, I mean first of all he's not at all Irish so I think he'd find it interesting as a completely seperate observer. And secondly, Ireland has changed a lot in the last 30 years, religion is disolving very quickly as wealth coming from tech and a neo-liberal attitude towards jobs and assets takes over. You could probably do a war film devoid of religion now and it would still make sense. Nonetheless, without the failed allegory, I get your point - seems weird to ignore religion when it has a huge hold still on large parts of the USA.
Garland: "Extremists have occupied noise, and I think the key thing is..." *is interrupted by audience applause/noise* Kosta: "Thank you for coming to chat with us!" I'm sure this was more just unfortunate timing for a commercial break, but Garland not being able to fully finish his thought and possibly present a solution (?) was so ironic.
"Most people are not extremists, most people just are not. They don't really have a voice. Extremists have occupied noise." This is powerful stuff. I'd like to hear the rest of this thought.
What I would add to that is that the noise from extremist eventually becomes normalized. Allowing them to have a microphone set to max volume at all times is exhausting and damaging.
The squeaky wheel gets noticed.
I wanted to hear what he was about to say "and the key thing to be" before the applause interrupted him and not finish.
Its because normal people dont organize into millitias and buy guns. The Fanatics do, they roll into town and conscript the men who can fight at the barrel of the gun.
There's a quote by George Bernard Shaw, the Irish playwright and activist who saw alot of societal upheaval, that goes: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
That's what Garland is referring to, though the original quote was more about innovation in a way. Though Civil war is innovation in a way also. All the media is focused on the unrreasnable man, and they are the ones quoted and put on TV. In a Russian Disinformation Study" or the "Russian Fake News Study," done by researchers at the Psychological Department of Moscow State University and published in the journal "Psychological Science, they found that you can change people's view of reality within a couple of days if you bombarded them with enough disinformation.
This is one of the main issues in the US. The news is owned by just a few corporations and they focus on the extremes and polarize people, which is what creates the environment for Civil War.
If your not at least a little unnerved by "what kind of American?" then either you haven't been paying attention, or you're the one asking that question. One of the better interviews I've seen in quite a while. IDGAF about politicians or celebrity BS.
Nothing wrong with politicians. Politicians are a reflection of the people whom they represent. Like this guy is tired of Journalists getting a bad reputation, I'm kind of tired of the "politicians bad" trope. No, only certain ones are.
@@Lennybird91? What would happen if nobody voted? For either one?
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The rich people will dispose of surplus humans
@@Lennybird91 that’s not true at all. We don’t have a choice, just the illusion of choice. The big donors and party insiders are the ones that truly decide and then we lose rights one way or the other regardless of which way you vote. Both sides trying to control the other, creating laws that make us less free with every swing of the pendulum.
Also if you see the movie that scene is somehow scarier in the movie
Love that he spoke out for journalists, but there is a real issue with the 24-hr news cycle industrial complex that we've found ourselves in. But we need to distinguish that from journalists.
Yeah it's also the fact that news agencies have consolidated into increasingly fewer hands over the past 50 years. The hands under which they have consolidated belong to the mega rich, who have interests closely aligned with high ranking members of government. That defeats the entire purpose of the "Fourth Estate"...
Yeah but so-called journalists that work for corporate media outlets are partisan hacks. Real journalists are mostly Independent but you almost never hear about them in the mainstream media, which is why people turn to social media for actual news.
The movie is mostly about war photographer journalists, not those who write headlines
@@mikehc6159Wagner Moura’s character writes articles. Lee (Kirsten Dunst) is the photographer.
For an interview with practically zero jokes or humour, that was one of the best interviews I've ever watched here on TDS. Does no harm at all for us to be presented with something like this every now and again here, especially when most viewers of TDS would share a similar ideology or outlook. No need to apologise for your lack of jokes Mr. Garland - you were compelling viewing as you were.
Well said…
I think you can even see Michael Kosta adjusting to being more serious as the interview goes on. At the start, he seems too eager to revert back to making jokes but lets it go eventually. You can tell he is still learning how to find the balance and the right tone, especially compared to Jon Stewart (not meant as criticism). Very interesting interview in any case.
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Intriguing! And yet the poor guy was concerned that we only wanted jokes. I'm looking forward to seeing this, and more of him!
If you want to hear about serious existential threats to your country, watch the comedians. If you want jokes, watch the politicians.
You should watch his 2014 film "Ex Machina". It's excellent acting, excellent writing, tense science fiction about Artificial Intelligence.
@@stevechance150 I didn't realize that was his film. I Loved it!
Devs and Annihilation as well
@@Arcadious10 Taking notes. Thanks!
I didn't think I could watch this movie, until I heard this interview. It's clear from listening to Garland, that it's a thoughtful film, not a sensationalized action adventure movie.
nah, its clearly an action adventure film in keeping with the likes of Armageddon etc
If you know his other work then you know you're going to be in for something thought provoking.
Don't watch it. Its overhyped and you'll leave questioning what you just watched.
Yeah, one certainly wouldn't ever want to watch something that leaves them thinking about what they just watched. Films should be things that we immediately flush out of our brains as soon as the credits roll.
@@klnrklnr4433 I've seen it. It isn't.
I think a film that depicts what an actual civil war would look like is important in a country that seems so close to civil war.
It is absolutely true that people feel we are grower closer and closer to one. As a country though, regular Americans aren’t going to like the ugliness of war. It is especially bad when it is your own countrymen.
How exactly do these Banana Republican trumpsters think one would actually play out though?
I don't think they've thought it through. Door to door "huntin' the libs"????
It's not close at all. But talking about it more makes it more likely. And making movies about it..makes people talk about it more.
@@markright6759 i feel the same.
the extremists have been pedaling the narrative for a while. we're talking about war only because they're talking about war. there's a slight difference....
some are using the theme for all sorts of clout, gifting, you name it... fear sells.
but we should also keep in mind that while there were/are training camps and organizations preparing for a war (the 3%ers, oath keepers, proud boys, boogaloo boys, to name a few) when their leaders got arrested after the J6, there was no fighting, no financial support, no push back, no nothing... in fact some flipped and got into deals w/ the DAs, so that's that.. amateur hour as they say, to me they look more like cosplaying than being 'militants'.
@@markright6759oh, you want to sleepwalk into it, rather than possibly prevent it by raising the danger of it? There’s talking and there’s warning
This is the first interview I've seen in a long time that gave me hope for humanity.
Get with it in the editing, guys. You cut off the outro and missed the handshake. May seem small, but capture the whole clip and give the guest their due
:) Noticed that too... That's just bad style!
they were covering for a bad interviewer probably.
I noticed that too. It cut off the guest mid thought and made Kosta appear rude.
Impressive words from Alex Garland
The talk about the press was on point. I don’t think we should demonize them either. Yes, sometimes they get it wrong. But, if a person is open to ideas, you can double check by looking at both sides. Doing research about a topic improves press literacy.
@publicuser2534 The problem is many people don't and won't do that.
@@publicuser2534 We need to fact check everything because we don't have the Fairness Doctrine any longer.
@@thomasalva9263 I think trusting some random source is both lazy and willfully ignorant.
@@publicuser2534 The press is nothing more than the extension of our government at this point. They all shill for those in power, it can be big pharma, Biden, Trump it doesn't matter, all of it is controlled to keep us divided and not pulling them down.
More interviews like this please. Save the jokes for the monologue and let the guests speak freely.
Straight up....jokes are great, and have their place...even, and if not especially in some interviews, but the no jokes straightforward nature of this one was legendary.
@@dennislp3 For sure. I've seen too many interviews where the jokes distract from what the guests are saying. It was great that Michael could sense the tone and let him talk.
Politics is a tool to serve the people NOT AN IDENTITY!! I'm English and it breaks my heart to watch this happen to America. I hope this film wakes people up to that fact
Unfortunately, too many American politicians want certain people served on a platter after being roasted on a spit.
i can’t even write comments that youtube won’t delete. fake country. you cannot write ANYTHING about how to take power from US oligarchs. it will be brutal and it will not be televised.
Politics is supposed to be about policies. The Americans have made it into a personality contest, making demigods out of their politicians, and while they have become cultists their demigods don't actually care about policies. It's scary.
immature minds see their vote as spiritual purity test.. it's all about self, not strategy
people waking up is important but not possible with this press....which is the hero in the movie...not in real life
Eldridge Cleaver summed up why America matters to the rest of the world, and that was in 1968, when the Vietnam War was at its peak: "It is not an overstatement to say that the destiny of the entire human race depends on what is going on in America today. This is a staggering reality to the rest of the world; they must feel like passengers in a supersonic jet liner who are forced to watch helplessly while a passel of drunks, hypes, freaks, and madmen fight for the controls and the pilot’s seat."
Reading "The Beach" 20 years ago I remember thinking it was such a deep and original take on the scars of war. The feature film did not even touch the subject. I am glad Alex Garland decided to make his own films.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I was blown away by The Beach when I read it-probably when you did. Watching the film was a "Did we read the same book???" experience.
He’s got an impressive track record: The Beach, screenplay for 28 days and 28 weeks later, Sunshine, and Dredd. Wrote and directed Ex Machina, Annihilation, Devs, and Men.
Dude wrote a script for a Halo movie that never came to be in the mid 2000’s. It surfaced on the internet a few years ago. Might be the best video game adaptation script I’ve ever read. I was a fan after that. So I’m sure it’ll be great.
Alex was so concerned about being too serious. Bless him. That was a wonderful interview and I can't wait to watch the movie.
if i can ask anything of people reading these, go see this movie. I got lucky with a pre screening and I haven't been more pushed by a film in a really long time. its brutal and entirely possible.
It's entirely possible that Texas and California would unite to fight the other 48 states??
@@andrewklang809yes. Definitely yes. IE, San Diego, and other parts outside of metropolitan California is red
not even remotely possible but keep dreaming.
@@andrewklang809 lol, texas won't unite with anybody. too self loathing.
You should have that director on again. He has great camera presence. Wonderful voice.
One thing we as a people need to get comfortable asking and answering is "why do you believe that?". That needs to be a primary point of conversations.
Starting conversations by trying to find out what sources of information both parties agree are reliable is difficult.
Nobody agrees that any information is truth. This will divide us intrinsically.
@@roberttalada5196Ironically, we both agree that no one can agree on anything anymore. Consensus reality is dead. 2+2 does, in fact, equal 5 to so many people. And they will never, ever be convinced that anything else is true.
@@roberttalada5196 That was the plan.
@@roberttalada5196 - Please shove your willful ignorance far up QAnus.
@@Blackhoodie85 - There is only one set of actual facts. The source of the facts is irrelevant. Agreement about the source of the facts is irrelevant.
Whether one agrees with the facts, or not, does not alter the facts.
I love how Kosta took Garland seriously instead of just kidding around.
I think Kosta quickly realised the tone of the conversation he was having around 3:00
This is a smart man.
The accent makes him sound smarter but yes.
he’s not
lol
He seems like a beautiful human.❤
Yes, and very deeply intense and humble, only mentioning in passing that he started the film before January 6. Whereas some others would boast about its propheticness.
weird
The bullies are the loudest
At the same time the weakest.
And the most afraid in their soul.
and always a super minority. always, especially online. a very tiny % can make create a very unpleasant environment
*the brits (there I fixed it for you)
Hmmm. Interesting considering the loud mouth left is constantly whining and bullying people.
Let's create a country that has healthcare and journalism for all. At moment the journalism, education and healthcare seem to be lacking for everyone but the rich. Everything in the USA in owned by a few rich billionaires. Let's stand up to the American Oligarchy.
Yes
I believe that due to the eviseration of public education over the last 60 years in the US, half the population will actively vote against their own interests, to support any number of fascist demagogues, fundamentalist theocrats and charlatans.
they’ll just use the lower jews as human shields. it’s impossible to get justice from them without a fasces.
I wish you luck, but some of us have to pay bills till we die because poverty is a misdemeanor and homelessness is a felony in this Skinner Box called Murrica...
Tax the oligarchy to pay for freedom and democracy
He's my favorite director/writer, I love his movies.
*and TV show. Devs rules.
movies are a bit hit and miss but always interesting.
A movie can provoke thoughtful conversation. I remember "The Day After".
Yeah, watching that as a teenager messed me up....
@@edwardfletcher7790 Same. And then, 'Threads' from the BBC, THAT didn't help!
I saw this movie today and absolutely loved it. Despite the vagueness around the political background of the conflict, I felt it was clear in its message. And living in the DC area, that last 30 minutes was so intense!
Kostas seemed intimidated in this interview, he might have been unsettled by the fact that Garland didn't seem to like his attempts at humor, clearly Garland wanted to have a serious conversation, regardless of the venue.
Garland will admit he struggles with the public facing side of things. He always does. He comes across as aloof and dismissive (partly because he is) but also because he just hates this kind of thing. I have no doubt his publisher or production company urged him to appear on something like this, to do the promotional rounds in order to generate attention for the movie... he understands the value of this stuff, I think he was burned by his experiences on DRED and wants to do the best he can to sell the movie, but he will always be horribly uncomfortable in these situations - it's just who he is.
I felt Kostas read Garland early on, pivoting well to abandon his usual quippy sarcasm and instead going for the straight forward Q & A. Kostas also revealed he actually saw the film and differentiated the film narrative and the trailer clips.
The trailer is goofy, cliche bs tbh, the Director, like most are up themselves
@@thesuncollective1475 My guy - are you not familiar with Garlands work? He is the real deal.
@@Hazzard65well said. Hope to get many more movies/series by Garland. Kostas will learn the more he does interviews as well.
This movie was the most powerful film I've seen in the last decade. This was so emotional and full of great storytelling
We in the United States are very entitled and have no clue what would happen if we had a civil war. No one would win, our way of life would be completely destroyed.
My wife lived through a civil war and her birth country has never recovered, even 30 years later.
We already had one civil war, and in traditional American fashion, we want seconds.
We already had one and thanks for insulting us and being ignorant yourself.
@@starofdabloc pfft, and how many years ago was that?
be a lot different endgame now bruh.
@@klnrklnr4433 so I guess all the other hundreds of countries who haven’t had a war in forever are spoiled and entitled too? 🤔
May I ask which country is was? Just out of curiosity.
Really cut that short…
I get that he just ran out of time but I would have liked to hear him finish his final thought.
My great great great grandfather was a sawbones for the Union in the American Civil War (and hopefully the only). I read his journals, well what I could make out, penmanship was different then. Few Americans know the bloodshed and pain, they don't understand the failures of reconstruction and how that divide never fully healed, and most people don't seem to recall that in our Civil War there were SIX TIMES as many casualties suffered by the US during WWII.
I don't think most people understand how absolutely deadly and destructive a civil war is, its fantasized because war has for America over the past century, never touched our soil. It happened 'over there', out of mind. But theres nothing that prevents Chicago or Atlanta or anywhere else from looking exactly like Gaza.
I appreciate your history lesson and heart perspective. Americans of this generation could be the "great generation" if they learn this lesson well. Thank you.
This dude is spot on about people knowing fascist or far right are negative terms but at the same time they don't identify themselves as such despite holding those beliefs.
Oh but the far left isn't dangerous? Hmmm
That's a fate that the US shares with the former East Germany... Both were anti-fascist by definition, while we in West Germany had to actually learn about what fascism looks and sounds like BEFORE people are all wearing uniforms and hunt opposition in the streets!
You may benefit from studying logical fallacies, my friend @@firefly9838
@@firefly9838try to stay away from “what-about-ism” and you’ll find a far more productive conversation can be had
In truth, countries across the world that have tried to/are purported to have realised “communism” on a large scale have almost invariably fallen into right-wing dictatorships. The human nature element of power and politics means that “far-left” ideologies, such as communism, almost can’t exist in reality. Look at what happened to famous examples of communism like Cuba and Russia. Those aren’t communist states
yes blm
No one wants to see division unless you're a psychopath. Well said.
And yet it's something all of MAGA wants, what does that say about them ?
Israel isn't so much a fan of "inclusion" at the current moment. Especially if your a journalist in Gaza.
@@tiscitatascit I know. You won’t hear any argument from me.
Looking forward to the movie.
What's up with the audience interrupting him trying to say something that was seemingly important to him and then the host ending the show ?
Because they're at a comedy show and biased towards laughing at anything, however insignificant. It's a shame that modern journalism is in the state that it's in and that we now have to rely on comedy shows to get any kind of decent reporting.
After watching both Ex Machina and DEVS, I have a lot of faith in this guy. His films are incredibly compelling, and stunningly filmed and acted. Can't wait to see this.
Ex Machina was such a killer movie
We need more people like him
lol
Bravo! Blaming the press is weak and lazy. I am so glad to hear this said out loud. When someone says "the media" I cringe. What about the people? What about us?
BLAMING THE PRESS IS WEAK AND LAZY 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
It would be great to clarify why. The media only incentive is money and no one is holding them accountable for half-truths, mislead reports and straightforward lies, therefore they increase advertising every year, so they have to increase viewership full of sensationalist stuff which appeals to our basic emotions, mostly fear and anger. Once you are aware that with this nonstop loop someone is directing you with selling bigotry, racism, homophobia it can be too late. Democracy is constant awareness noz just about governments propaganda, corporations ro it to with advertising and marketing.
It is. But we still need to talk about how corporate media destroyed actual journalism - Can't blame everything on the customer, either :)
@@dayegilharno4988We blame the consumer based on a lot of people being ignorant to the differences in journalism. Most people dont pay attention to what's an opinion piece, factual presenting, or an analysis. They just dont, then they blame the media when its them who cant tell the difference. 😂😂😂
When Fox TV, NewsMax etc are actively spreading Fear and Hate with Lies to keep people watching, how can you not blame the Press ??
As someone who works for the US Government, I'm so tired of political parties demeaning the people who work within the govt. Military, forestry, regulators, public health, housing, disaster recovery, law enforcement, education… we're all here because we want to. We are not some villain conspiring against the employer and country we love. Time to get back to country over party, and learn to have respectful agree and disagreements.
Couldn't agree more. So much respect is given to the armed forces for "serving their country" without considering the other public servants that serve the country in just as meaningful (if not moreso) ways. But few seem interested in paying respect to our public servants.
But you are? Tulsa Massacre happened because of people like you especially higher ups
Love this
What about Public employees union your gold plated retirement grift. Goverment is America's biggest CON
@@raygon8 Spare us from your ignorance. Not everyone is in a union.
His novel “The Beach” was a great read,
Thank you for pointing this out!
I never read the novel, but did watch the film. Riveting in many ways about the psyche of humans whilst traveling in foreign lands, in the wilderness. Along with the soundtrack, it actually shaped a big part of my adolescence. Now I would like to visit that story again and read the book.
read that book when it came out whilst on the plane to thailand.
great read.
@@DiscoDashco the book is definitely worth a read
That could have been longer. And gone better. This is important. And was reduced to a sound bite.
A lot of people smugly watching this won’t realize he’s talking about them too
I love his work. Will always watch anything he's be involved in. Looking forward to seeing Civil War, so on point currently.
My favorite screenwriter of all time, hands down.
I like him and I don't like that I read something about him wanting to be done making films. It would be a loss for lovers of thought provoking speculative fiction everywhere.
But being so provocative with speculative fiction, in order for us to wake up to what could happen, must be extremely depressing and terrifying to always be with the deep intensity of horrific possibilities.
Great interview. Thanks for trying to share knowledge with American citizens.
Been dying to see this movie since the trailer dropped, cant wait to the two whole days until its released
We need the Honest truth. We don't need alternative facts/Fox.
Both sides do it. One is outright the other tells half truths or manipulates data into weird narratives.
here’s the honest truth: only fascism can obtain justice from people like the Sackler family.
youtube won’t let you write the truth. comments get deleted.
truth is oxycontin is why we’re here. ask why they sold oxycontin to what they privately called “hillbillies and pillbillies,” laughing while they died. that’s extremism. that’s the real crime. 6 million dead in the real, living memory holocaust.
truth is 💊 are why we’re here. the ones released in 1996 that started the opioid epidemic. democracy’s failure to achieve justice. i’d write more detailed but the AI sentry blocks my writings.
Garland is a brilliant filmmaker and one of the rare truly original creatives in today's film industry.
It seems disingenuous for the media to be saying they despise the idea of a civil war when they elevate people calling for it (Coulter, MTG, Trump, etc.).
Meh, but is the media elevating these people because the media actually wants to test the waters for civil war or is it just bottom line, clicks and views? We the people are the ones obsessed with sensationalism and hanging on the crazies every word. If we stopped giving them as much attention, the media would follow.
Hate to say it but I think it should have been Jon in the interview. This country needs this movie and this interview in particular needs to be taken seriously.
I agree. He was being a tool trying to make jokes. He took him too long to adjust. He finally met him where he was.
Let him get his reps in too guys. He has to learn. Stewart and Noah started off like this if u guys don’t recall
the country needs this movie??
@@klnrklnr4433 agreed. this movie isnt going to change anyones mind about anything. weak message.
So real. I’ll definitely want to check the film out! Thank you !
Thank you
America has owned slaves for longer than they have not owned slaves.
How long do you think it takes for us as a country and it s institutions to move on from that?
Until they make reparations and a sincer spol9gy
@@bretwalker you already got reperations in the form of welfare
Not true America only had slavery for 73 years read a book next time and America didn’t even have the most slaves brought
Excellent interview
Bring back the actual Fourth Estate and accountability...we are with you! ✊🏾
Support newspapers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@drgribb we would if they were honest and not tabloid journalism! Michael West and multiple respectable journalists including the late, great John Pilger won't even work for them so how can we rely on an objective fourth estate when we basically have a media duopoly and political vested interests by those who own those "newspapers" you are just embarrassing yourself!
Also, Plot and meaning aside, the film is GORGEOUSLY shot.
Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Don’t let them stop you. IT MATTERS.
Saw it yesterday. It was riveting, depressing, thought-provoking and beautifully acted and filmed and...must be seen in a theatre. the assault on D.C. at the end is unlike anything I've seen.
I love how people who are intelligent and articulate always look so uncomfortable on television, as if they're allergic to the spotlight or something. If you've ever been on a stage or set, you know what I'm talking about.
Going to see this on Friday - cant wait
What a great interview. i both look forward and dread seeing this movie. . We need our free press. I still have faith in them! The forth state, stand strong be honest! Report the facts and if you're on the daily show keep onn doing while making us laugh!
Just for curiosity… you ate ssying that the Daily Dhow is the real high moral media that only cares about the truth and are the free and unbiased media?
An admirable man, humble, well spoken. I love Costa but he wasn’t the right choice to interview the guy, he kept interrupting, saying “right” etc. which was distracting. Will look for other interviews with Garland. Motivated now to see the movie.
We live is a strange world now. Even though it is fictional the possibility is more stronger than ever before. Remarkable I remember an HBO Original film called "Second Civil War" which was a comedy and satire since everyone said not likely to happen. Now we have another film suggesting another Civil War in the United States and now it is a serious film ko longer something to laugh but to ponder.
Ching this on You Tube. SO GLAD I WAS NOT IN THE AUDIENCE ...AS I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO OVERCOME THE FEELUNG TO JUMP UP & RUN TO HUG THIS GUY ❗❗❗
And I have NEVER felt tjat way before.
❗FANTASTIC - TIMELY INTERVIEW Daily Show ❗❗❗
There is a 5th column, it consists of regular people. People who, in normal circumstances, just pick up the pieces and put society back together after/during a crisis.
Those are the very same people who work diligently to protect and serve our society, as it is, with no reward or credit.
I assure you . . . NO ONE should want to pick a fight with them.
Wow well said
Reminder that Fox News has argued in court that they are not journalists but entertainers.
Rachel Maddow did the same thing.
Journalists ARE extremely important to our way of life. But we absolutely have to find a way to cease the marketing inherent in most mainstream news…marketing is a term I use here because too many outlets are giving just enough context to stir anxiety and anger BECAUSE angry, anxious people stay tuned and that sells advertising. We need to get back to “the Fairness Doctrine” and Walter Cronkite style reporting without hyperbole and/or deletion of context that would reduce anxiety. The WHOLE story is important.
I recommend people seek out news sources that are rigorous in fact checking and provide as much context as possible.
One excellent source of such news is RUclipsr “Beau of the Fifth Column”. Yes, there is a decided left slant but also enough context to reduce anxiety.
Beau only “leans left” only because DJT didn’t just push it, he drop kicked Overton’s Window so far to the right, anything that promotes any form of social equity feels “leftist” to many out there. Even if he is an avowed Progressive, there’s nothing wrong with caring about issues if they don’t actually affect him in his daily life. When someone lives their life with a true sense integrity, intellectual dishonesty from people like DJT and all those who still support him become quite off putting. If you like Beau, and I do too, check out Tennessee Brando too, except he doesn’t sugarcoat his material as well as Beau does. Side note: If you’re not familiar with it yet, Google: #Project2025 when you have the chance.
@@DiscoDashco Project 2025 is as terrifying as it is disgusting. I am a military retiree, also did 3 yrs as DOD civilian as I transitioned to my current career. Effectively making EVERY Federal Employee swear allegiance to a man rather than the Constitution is about as dystopian as I can imagine.
I will look for Tennessee Brando
The best thing to have in a civil war... is a New Zealand passport. 🤪
Which is why the globalist elite are all building bunkers there.
So uh...do we need a sponsor?
If Canada won’t let you in….. what makes you think New Zealand will?? 😂
Bro, I'm a Kiwi. Two major news sources I grew up with have been shut down this week. We have a ghastly government at the moment
@@artrobinson9310Americans are ignorant about other countries.
This guy's voice is well suited to tell a group of kids to keep quiet because they are in a library
So everyone is clear, this is a movie about journalists. As a former war photog, that element was spot on. This could be set in any of the wars I was in.
I had a small role on this film and the scene was cut 😭 I'm crushed 😢 But Garland and Dunst are fantastic artists.
was that scene used in test screenings/ or just scrapped altogether
King Con will NOT be President. But...VOTEVOTEVOTE💙 out the Banana Republicans!!!!
Oh lord…. Here we go again…
@@nadominhoca ok tr*mpster
@@nadominhocaThat individual is heated in their words, yes, but if you listen to the things DJT says, it’s not to be taken lightly. Google: #Project2025 for an idea of what lies at stake here, and why someone like this sounds hyperbolic the way they do. When DJT says he’d “only be dictator for one day” you can believe him in two ways; that he would become one, but not just for a day. Never in recorded history has anyone who has usurped power in government to establish a dictatorship has ever given up their power eventually, gradually, willingly. When faced with the conundrum of clarifying what he meant by that, he doubled down on it too.
@@nadominhocaIt's much MUCH different this time - if that's what you meant.
@Drax_Corrandd *Wow, what a STRONG inDUHpendent mind you must have!*
*Have a shiddy day, ell oh ell smgdmfh*. 💋
Alex, a man who seems extremely uncomfortable in front of the camera but with conviction in his words, an amazing writer, some of my favorite films, also the husband of a crush in my teens, not sure if I am more jealous of him or her (Hi Polo).
Going to see it tomorrow!
"Education is the Enemy of the Oppressor" . It's obvious who hates journalists! ... But I wholly support and love them.
All of them? Tucker Carlson?
@traviselrod7803 no, i was referring to specific political and national news blackouts, and even more specifically, Israel's treatment of same.
@@ShakesSphere So some journalists are ok to hate?
@traviselrod7803 oh, you got it backwards..as i said, i love and applaud journalists. I loathe those who try to silence them. EDUCATION IS THE ENEMY OF THE OPPRESSOR. :)
Looking fwd to
Seeing this flic!
Way to go Cousin Alex!
I saw this movie this earlier this week and it was very scary no doubt about it. Had me glued to my seat
Looking forward to this! Way too much division and hate all over the world today!
why did you cut out the scene they refer to throughout the interview?
8:00 All respect to Garland, but Boris Johnson also came up AS A JOURNALIST. Failures within the "4th Estate" are as responsible for our dysfunction as anything else.
That last thing he said was one of the most profound. Every person who is at least trying to be a decent human being has some loonie out there claiming to represent them, and has to grapple with other people saying, “Oh, you’re _______ just like those creeps over there, I already know what you think, what you believe, how dumb you are...” They aren’t interested in being corrected either. When you say you’re not like those people, folks roll their eyes and say, “Oh, #notall_______,” and still won’t listen.
If you’re reading this and can’t think of any situation where someone misjudged you this way, you’re probably either an extremist or someone who doesn’t do much of anything.
nuance is lost on you eh?
All Americans needs to see this movie.
You cut off the most important and interesting point for what? Fast food commercials?
Big business in the press and in general would be a key contributor to a Civil War. They trivialize EVERYTHING.
LOVE Kosta. Will see film. THANKS!
This man seems SO over all of this haha. Alex is stepping into his grumpy britishman era and I'm here for it.
Great interview
His 2014 movie "Ex Machina" is excellent science fiction. I highly recommend it.
Sobre lo último de la conversación Facundo Cabral dice que : el amor es silencioso.
It just occurred to me: how would Mr. Garland feel if an American filmmaker made a movie called Civil War that took place in Ireland, but makes no mention of Catholics, Protestants or loyalty or lack thereof towards Britain and instead makes up some vague convoluted scenario that deliberately ignores existing regional affiliations? How would the Irish feel about an American director telling a story that implies that Ireland’s actual history and contentious issues don’t matter and the real problem is simply that people disagree on things and war is bad?
@jdj830 How would he feel? I would hazard a guess that he'd be fine with it because he believes in artistic freedom and isn't a total snowflake who gets butthurt by other people's storytelling ideas.
Uh, I mean first of all he's not at all Irish so I think he'd find it interesting as a completely seperate observer. And secondly, Ireland has changed a lot in the last 30 years, religion is disolving very quickly as wealth coming from tech and a neo-liberal attitude towards jobs and assets takes over. You could probably do a war film devoid of religion now and it would still make sense. Nonetheless, without the failed allegory, I get your point - seems weird to ignore religion when it has a huge hold still on large parts of the USA.
Love Alex
Great movie. Just don't expect a high-octane action movie.
I love this director and writer!
Quintessentially, unapologetically British. ❤
"we need journalists in the same way we need doctors" 👏
Garland: "Extremists have occupied noise, and I think the key thing is..."
*is interrupted by audience applause/noise*
Kosta: "Thank you for coming to chat with us!"
I'm sure this was more just unfortunate timing for a commercial break, but Garland not being able to fully finish his thought and possibly present a solution (?) was so ironic.