Hogue 20CV Doug Ritter RSK-MK1 edge retention testing, if only this 20CV could tell the whole story.
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Hogue RSK MK1 20CV edge retention testing, done at both 17 dps and 15 dps. Where did this come from and what happened during the process? I have an idea so follow along to find out. Thanks to Rob for sending this along for me to test and then giving it to BJ to replace his lost one. Thank you, it's very well appreciated.
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Great video! I talked about this very thing in one of my cut test videos about a month ago. I have started sharpening M390 and the like at 17-18 DPS, I was doing 15 dps in the past but it seems like the broader angle works better on those steels!!!
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It is funny that secondary bevel angle makes a big difference on some and then on others it makes very little difference.
The old Cliff Stamp mentioned something similar about high carbide steels in his message board awhile back. Simple steels at high rockwall should be able to handle it. He had a custom 01 tool steel knife in 63.5 Rockwall that he took down to below 15 degrees that performed pretty good.
www.cliffstamp.com/knives/reviews/aj_utility.html
It's amazing what a difference 2 degrees can make! Excellent vid G! Hey, as long as you're talking to Neil, mention Cruwear RSK...a lot! 😁
The microstructure rabbit hole is one I think that needs to be brought to people's attention.
Cruwear would be pretty sweet.
Roman I had originally put rabbit hole in the vudeo title, it's funny if you say that.
@@Outpost_76 Haha!
@@kknives_switzerland am I recalling correctly that you've previously said these steels tend to perform better at somewhat wider angles?
In any case, it would be really cool if we could see high magnification images of degraded edges at both angles to see if the failure mode is different.
@@knickly Not really, I referred to other steels like CPM S125V and M398
Great vid bro, crazy results! Thanks for this one, really enjoyed soaking up the info.
Crazy difference there. Good to know. I just got one of my own as well. Fantastic knife
Another great test and video. It's always interesting when these tests yield some strange results. Thank you for the work.👍
Wow... geometry, bevel angle, HRC, heat treat... there are so many variables... interesting!
It's a rabbit hole... But a very fascinating one.
And none of those variables will probably be noticeable on a quality knife. I like to keep the factory bevel angle on my knives and it’s never been a problem for me.
@@RealAndyOriginal It seems you are happy with less then, that's most certainly very convenient. Many people though want more, much more actually, than what you get in factory knives like Spydercos or Benchmade. To each their own 👍🏻
👍👍👍👍 thanks for all the testing!!!
You're welcome
Thanks for the video.
Thank you for testing, I always looking for your videos because I am thinking that your cutting test delivery much more than data of knife companies .Not to forget the black RSK was actually in M390. Sorry if i made some grammatical failures, English is not my language.
I really like the design! I'm a pretty notorious Spyderco fanboy but that's one I'd carry.
Heck yeah I'll be testing it a couple times. You have me curious!!! I'll run it at 18dps and 16dps. I mean we have to know....right?
Definitely need to know, lol.
@@Outpost_76 BJ can test it and compare it to the 20cv RSK that I gave him ;)
@@joshuabriggs7114 this is curious please let us know. I still want one. Thanks Harry
Thanks for all your testing G!!! Really interesting how different the results are on the edge angles!!😳😳 Thanks so much for sharing brother!!👊👊👊 You should ask Neil and Doug to make some blades in maxamet!!!!💪
New variables to consider, nice!
What the what? This is crazy
Hi Gerald
Late to the party but I had to say my rsk seems to cut better at 20 dps. Such a great knife.......
I can say it did best when I convexed the apex 20dps rounded to 17 lower shoulder.
Your thoughts on convexing lower rockwell s?
Wheres the pup lol
I’ve got about a dozen or so of the Ritter Grips in m390 from Benchmades Run… if you’d like to test the batch I’d be glad to send them your way… would be curious where they all line up in terms of HRC and if there’s consistency there… I love the Ritter blade shape and the stonewash on the blade… but I also want a knife that performs to expectation… I keep hearing how balanced and great m390 is for EDC… but then I see these low HRC numbers out there and I’m left scratching my head…
When it's heat treated well for use in a knife M390 is a great edc steel. 2 examples would be my RSK in 20CV and my 2016 M390 PM2. The user experience is vastly different between the pair. I use the Ritter RSK most days for work for how comfortable it is to use as well as the blade shape being very useful to me. My email is in the description, message me and we can talk about testing those knives. I also am curious to see how they do.
I real like the lines on that knife wish the steel was m4 . Good video
Just ordered the same knife, good 2 know
I have a soft one that tested at 59.4 hrc that I'm in the middle of testing now.
You can test mine when I get it if you like
Very interesting!
Didn't you have Ganzos that HRC'D high but wouldn't cut for crap, I forget. I run my RSK at 18° and its like XHP performance, so its OK. But the whole M390, 20cv, 204 thing seems like a swing and a miss to me, barring a few knives with high HRC's. Time for a new "supersteel" 😁. Maybe some old fashioned s90v might make the Ritter great. Its a shame, as the knife is an ergonomic masterpiece once you get rid of that lame deep carry clip. Deep carry is a dumb idea on a hard use knife as it creates a big hotspot on heavy, extended push cut sessions. I spit on deep carry.
This is why I have been and am still doing and recommending edge hardness testing with Micro Vickers testing. The spine can be any hrc number - but if the edge area is overheated by grinding, which my testing sadly very often revealed, it's irrelevant what the spine reads. This is why Outpost 76 and the other testers will sharpen a few times before the actual test - in some cases that will remove the overheated, soft steel. Of course though, the microstructure of the steel must also be right, BOTH hrc AND microstructure must be right. (EDIT: If you want more info on edge hardness testing, watch my newest video.)
KKnives Switzerland I wish I could afford one of your knives. You have the recipe all the way right!
I agree 100% Jay. So many manufacturers get everything right about the ergonomics except the pocket clip
I like deep carry, it doesn't cause me any issues on the knives I have. Everyones hands are different though. I haven't used s90 but I have been using s110 quite a bit. It blows away all of my s30. I've used a good bit of m390 falling into the hype, and I was never impressed with it. Got rid of it all. I honestly believe for general edc, opening a box by cutting the tape, snipping a string, opening an envelope and cutting your apple because you can, steel doesn't matter. Hrc isn't important, composition and microstructure does not come into play. Some of my favorites come in with good ole 1095 under 60 hrc. Learn to sharpen and don't abuse your knives. Use the right tool for the job. That said it's fun to get the latest and greatest and see who's better than who at this crazy steel. Brag about having a knife second in hardness to tungsten carbide, and polishing your edge better than your bathroom mirror. It's all just fun and games. I still need to get a hogue, I regret trading my Benchmade Ritter mini grip. It was such a good knife, I got a new to me $2000 mountain bike from it and a few other blades though.
@@astaschak I agree 100%. Learning to sharpen makes most knives viable. I bought a KME a few years ago and Gerald gave me alot of tips and I can get a great edge on most steels. No use wasting money on high end steel if you can't sharpen and strop. All good points man !
Wow. Very interesting. Too many variables to actually draw any valid conclusions, but it is intriguing nonetheless. Love the channel. Keep fighting the good fight brother.
I can't wait to see what BJ finds with this. He will test some more secondary bevel angles once it arrives.
My Rsk hit 59.4 on kurts video/jam session. Eventually I was going to get around to doing some of my rope cut testing with it. Your more than welcome to test it out at anytime if u want to.
That would be great, thank you. I have an idea it's going to surprise moat on how it does.
@@Outpost_76 I can send it out Monday or Tuesday if u want. All depends on what works for you.
@@steeltoez8345 I'll message you, I appreciate it. Thank you.
This may sound crazy but would the stonewash effect the HRC test. When I had my knifes tested that needed to be polished finish.
Good video. Really interesting. I was just about to pick up one of these. Has there been any further testing on this?
Wrong video I was thinking of. I've done 4 different RSK now and I currently have one I'll be doing even more testing on.
Think it's time to 86 this type steel , why would I want to gamble my money on a knife that probably won't perform . Great topic and video as usual thanks
Unfortunately most of the production 20cv, M390 and 204p are not going to be solid performers.
Why build a knife that doesn't perform , is it laziness , carelessness or the idea that no one is ever gonna know ? Even more confusing is the fact that other people in the knife community, with a passion for knives can act like this is some kind of a witch hunt is even more bananas. That's the rabbit hole to me
Seems like marketing has got the best of us. Manufacturers should go back to better heat treating.
How well did the old benchmade 154cm do. Seems to me it performed well. Just thinking
No spoilers, it will be coming soon along with Gerber 154cm.
Have you heard anymore about this? I'm thinking about picking one up In your opinion would u take your chance on this or the Super freek? Or neither?
Has anyone done any testing on Bradford's M390? I looked all over but couldn't find any cut tests. Maybe I should just assume that 17 DPS is the minimum angle with M390 in general.
ruclips.net/video/XgcCKqM4GYs/видео.html
I have tested one, it's in with 2 of the M390 Kershaw Links. I'm going to cover secondary bevel angle in a wear resistance/edge retention video some time this week.
My ritters in 20cv hold an edge better then anything I own,except a 90v,(course I don't have any m4)
Where do I find this micro structure video?
Do you think......Hogue is doing better with this steel yet? I am thinking about buying one soon....so I need your advide Please Sir ??
The last one I tested did 230 feet total. The Deka 20CV did a bit better. It's hard to say, it's still a great user even if it's only a little bit better than S30V.
Whoa...
Will the slightly softer M390 from Kershaw have the same issue at lower angles? I got myself a Dividend for whittling hardwoods but it just does not have any bite into the wood. I know it will never carve like a Mora or an Opinel but it would be nice to take the bevel down a little so as to be usable at least. It still has the factory grind, burr and all.
I tested 2 different M390 Dividend at both 18 dps and 15 dps. Edge retention didn't really improve with the angle drop but it was as stable at 15 as at 18 dps. It should have no problem with wood. Factory angle on those is close to 20 dps, I'd try 18 dps and if that holds up drop it from there until it does better for you while not taking damage. I'll try 15 dps on mine against hickory and oak and see how it does this weekend.
@@Outpost_76 Thanks, I would appreciate that. I don't have guided sharpening equipment but my free-hand attempt has already shown some improvement.
Maybe zt did the heat treat for them lol
He said the HRC was like 61 in the beginning of the video.
Brandon Mugele ganzo d2 is 62 hrc and they still suck at cutting
If ZT did the heat treat it would have cut far less, lol.
Outpost 76 you’re right
try 18-19 degree see what happens ??
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Guess this is some cpm 20cdont
What did you sharpen the knife with?
KME is what I use for all testing, same grit progression and same strop progression.
Damn dude, what's with the long...........................pauses n the middle of ...........................sentences? Really ard to listen.................................to.