The NEW Caledonian Sleeper - London to Edinburgh in a classic room
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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Railway company: Caledonian Sleeper
Train type : MK5 coaches + Class 92
From : London Euston to Edinburgh Waverley
Duration : 7h53
Price : around 180£
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You don’t know how happy it makes me that you don’t put stupid music on all your videos
Yeah we can’t hear that tranquility with the same deadass electronic music played across the entire video
Totally agree the music is c😢😢rap
Love it. The way to travel. Club room. Private and safe, clean and so friendly staff..
11:49 The sleeper is very popular with business people and Scottish politicians, so they want nice shiny shoes.
Very true, my local MP travels from Fort William to London on the sleeper all the time.
It is my preferred way to go from Dundee to London since the Dundee flight moved to stansted from London city
Is there also Wiskey ? 😆
I was always told to never book the rooms at either end (1 and 10) on VIA Rail Canada's Renaissance equipment because they are right over the wheels and are therefore noisy. Clearly the same holds true for these cars, which, incidentally, have a very similar layout, with 1 through 6 having showers and 7 through 10 having a bathroom but no shower.
I think on this train I would only go for room 7 or 8 assuming I went with a "classic". I always chose 4 or 5 on the VIA Rail trains and they were pretty well silent - the rooms with showers don't cost any extra on VIA and I'm guessing it's because they aren't so great just like these - but at least they usually have hot water.
On a side note, the older VIA equipment has no issues re showers. The showers are pretty well always good.
What a beautiful train. The design team really did an outstanding job.
I like the rattling sounds 9:00 it helps me fall asleep on trains
I feel the same
I was surprised that such a new train would be so noisy. Still, likely it is something that will be addressed quickly. Overall, that looks like a wonderful service, easily the equal or superior (as far as comfort and amenities) of my own Amtrak.
And I wholeheartedly agree about the underestimation of the night train market in the UK and throughout Europe. There was a time not so long ago when analysts were saying that the days of the sleeper train were done thanks to high speed rail and cheap airlines, but that's simply not true and never was. I too hope that services like this expand once more; I could easily see a demand for, say, a London to Holyhead sleeper to meet the morning ferries crossing to Ireland (they've even got the name ready: The Irish Mail, revived from the old London & North Western Railway). And if these new Mk.5 coaches prove themselves, how about sleeper services through the Channel Tunnel, overnight runs to Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, even as far afield as Berlin, Venice, and Vienna. A sort of modern revival of the Orient Express.
Granted, that might be a little trickier politically now that Brexit is sadly a thing...
It's true that in today's environmentally aware world, sleeper trains could re-emerge as a viable option but at least in Britain there is one big barrier to this: price. Sleeper trains in the UK are more like a premium product, the reserve of the middle class. Sadly the biggest factor in a customer's decision for what form of transport to take is price and not carbon emissions. Perhaps there is a gap in the market however!
But there were Nightstar trains planned for when the Channel Tunnel opened ... but they never happened. Rolling stock (unused) was sold to Canads at a discounted price. No plans for another Nightstar.
@@alexmcwhirter6611 Interesting, but would sleeper trains have really made sense on a highspeed rail line? Eurostar trains set off as early as 5:40 in the morning. How would you schedule sleeper trains without holding up all the morning eurostar trains?
@@TheAminoamigo The planned Nightstar trains (check with Wiki for the details) were intended to operate from the UK regions and not just from London. The rolling stock would have been hauled by diesel locos (over non-electrified lines) to the Channel Tunnel where there would be a change to electric power.
I guess you could have boarded a Channel Tunnel overnight train in Manchester or Leeds in the early evening or in London late at night and left it in the very early morning in Brussels or Paris or around 10-ish in Strasbourg, Frankfurt or Berlin. That would make a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is buying a ticket from the north of England to London plus a separate Eurostar ticket and gambling that you will make the connection (or paying a fortune for a hotel room if you want to have good buffer).
I just discovered your channel and I am so glad! Your video is informative and shows all the little details with amazing text descriptions. The camera work is quite well done. No irritating music or nonsensical chatting. I really enjoy your video method so I subscribed immediately. Thank you. Looking forward to your videos.
I am a fan of the older slower moving trains. Listening to the clackity clack is what overnight train travel should be about. I find the newer trains on improved tracks take away the ambience of train travel, it makes it hard to focus on the scenery. I suppose though that overnight trains would be more conducive to improved tracking and better sleeping amenities.
Ok boomer
The train at 4:06 was a rail head treatment train (RHTT) - they run in the autumn to clean the tracks from any leaves or debris and spray a mixture on the track to aid traction.
Took a sleeper train some 30 years ago from Carlisle to Euston. The deco has changed and the price is way more expensive. They used to have conductor to wake you up when it arrived. Thanks for the video
It's only a 4 hour trip by rail - so they park the train by the sidings for a couple of hours. When we took the sleeper from Inverness to London we sat in the station in Edinburgh til 115am.
Indeed a sleeper train really only makes sense for longer journeys. It seems crazy to slow the train down to less than half its speed to allow eight hours of sleep or have you board several hours before departure.
that stop in Edinburgh its partly to accommodate the shunting moves to join up the 3 portions into one train before it can travel to London, the rest of the stops the highlander makes are relatively short in comparison
I was on the service to Inverness a little over a year ago and was in the older cars. These new ones look like a nice upgrade. Having more spots to plug in to charge is a much needed upgrade! The lounge car looks more comfortable too. It really is a great way to get from London up to Scotland.
Next time you come to Scotland you should review some of our more scenic routes like Fort William-Mallaig, Inverness-Kyle of Lochalsh or Kilmarnock-Stranraer.
The Class 66 at 4:06 is pushing the RHTT, Rail Head Treatment Train, another Class 66 is pulling it.
I LOVE that livery! BEAUTIFUL!!! I also like the tweed panels in the room and the tweed headrests in the club car. Very classy! I suppose there is no way to get away from the narrow corridors but all in all an amazing sleeper train. Nice job! Thanks for sharing...
You’re right in saying that Euston doesn’t look great anymore! But I’ve always been fond of sleeper trains. I always take LNER to Edinburgh but I’ll be taking a sleeper next time for myself to see what it’s like 😀 great video
That rattling noise would drive me around the bend!
Another great video Thibault. 👍 The rattling you heard seems to be an common issue with all the CAF trains which have been delivered to the UK recently, Mk5A coaches & 397 EMUs for TransPennine Express & the 195 DMUs & 331 EMUs for Northern, so it's more than just a teething issue with the Caledonian Sleeper Mk5 coaches. Glad to see you had a good experience though. I've been wanting to try them, but have been holding off as a result of the other teething issues that have previously been reported.
I’ve tried both the Club Room and Classic - and whilst the shower and toilet are useful I’m not convinced it’s worth the extra cost over the Classic. Also in the Club room you hear the retention tank sloshing with water all night which made me feel seasick! 😂
The club car looks like a great place so sit and watch the scenery if you're on the Highland sleeper.
I don't know if it has been mentioned elsewhere in the comments, "Caledonian Sleeper" is just a branding for the service, the TOC (franchise holder) is SERCO (or may not still be due to general funding issues caused by the Covid crisis). Serco are an outsourcing specialist much loved by the current UK government. As such they also operate prisons and immigrant detention facilities, so they have plenty of experience with catering for a captive consumer......sorry valued clients. It may also explain why the locos used sometimes carry a different branding, e.g. GBRF.
Everyone complains that these trains are very noisy, so it must be a design fault/issue. There were a lot of problems when the new sleeper service was introduced, but they are slowly being sorted out. ( Now I always travel during the day, because of the beautiful views.)
From engineering point view it’s down 2 things one if your cabin or choice seating is over bogies at ends carriages u hear all noise from underneath train, ie don’t sit or sleep end of coaches. U find in daytime u sit on top of bogies u hear hum traction motors. Now 2nd point some train builders install a thick rubber mat under carriage floor try eliminating noise from below, Siemens did this when 185 units were built in Germany for Trans Pennine Express in U.K. tested them on route Koln to Trier HBF. There is some noise when engines start off then sound goes altogether when engine hits its peak. 3 car sets have 2250bhp very powerful for 3 car trains, limited to 100mph they are capable of 110mph Speedo maximum is 120mph.
It looks very comfy!
I used to take the sleeper to London from Edinburgh when I was a student in the early 70’s.
I think it cost about 12 pounds in those days!
I love trains, and really enjoy your channel....thanks!
I haven’t travelled on an overnight sleeper train since 1981. Things have improved a lot since then. Great video, very informative and no annoying lift music or narration.
The sound of a train like that is very soothing 😊❤
2:49 One of the very few cases in the UK of a full UIC number on the side of the carriage.
The new Northern class 195 and 331 units also have the full UIC numbers painted on the sides of each vehicle but, unfortunately, without the correct spacing and hyphens.
Thanks for the bicycle info, always very useful. Great film as always, thanks.
i went on this last week on a one way from Edinburgh to Euston. Brilliant. Only difference to your vid was that you simply go into your cabin as all the doors are open, find your key in the room and then you can lock the door when you leave. Found the lock mechanism is bit tricky though. I think you either had to hold it against the lock for a few moments before it turned red - or double tap it to go red.
Very clean toilets. Didn't think much of the club dining car in terms of decor or layout.
Other than that, the staff and cabin was great. Fantastic nights sleep.
The train is beautiful.. but the silence.. 😀
You missed a trick with this one. You should have booked the Fort William service. The earlier departure gives you chance to have a relaxing hour or two in the Club Carriage, where they do a mean haggis, neeps and tatties, but the real plus is waking up and having breakfast on the West Highland Line.
Doesn't Via Rail Canada have in storage old Nightstar (Renaissance) coaches in brand-new condition that could be used for new UK sleeper trains? Fun fact: the Via Rail Nightstar (Renaisance) coaches still have British Rail logos inside.
4:06 theres a oil pump so yes its a freight train but not for maintenance
I can see this for Inverness or Fort William, etc., but Edinburgh from London is 4.5 hours. Not really enough time for a sleeper. When I last went to Edinburgh I just got on a plane at Heathrow, since I had just come in from New York, and flew there in 90 minutes. Great transportation from the airport.
Yes but the nearest airport to London euston is about 40 minutes away you have to be two hours early and then when you get to Edinburgh the city centre is about 20 minutes away where as with the train you leave for central London and arrive in central Edinburgh
@@chrisinnes2128 for that reason, a high speed day train makes sense if the journey time is four hours or less.
I’m a useless sleeper and a rattle or noise like that would do my head in I’d be examining everywhere to try and stop the noise and I love train travel because the train usually makes me drowsy, what I tend to do is use headphones and listen to a radio play or an old favourite film and that helps take my mind off any annoying noise
13:11 the sticker on the right says what to do ;)
nice video, thanks for sharing!
I can't wait to travel on the Caledonian Sleeper once we're done with covid.
Did it in October. Saw my family after two years. It is so great and nothing like the hassle at airports . You also meet people who will talk to you and sometimes help you with your case.. thevtrain is so clean, and if it's noisy it us part of the journey.. love trains. ❤
The rattling is caused by wheel flats they have been an issue on the new coaches
The old mk3 coach's might be getting renovated and placed on a wick / Thurso to glasgow / edinburgh sleeper
Its not wheel flats, its a knocking noise underneath the coach where the bogies are. The old mk3's have all been sold for scrap or purchased by private collectors or heritage railways. Theres absolutely zero chance of Wick/Thurso to Glasgow/Edinburgh sleeper happening at all, never mind with mk3s.
The Mk5 coaches are very clean, modern, air-conditioned and have a Scottish feel to it. Would like to go ride on it. And my Dad’s friend works at London Euston.
Some day stock trains for example Siemens Desiro Diesels of which only Class 185 are in uk these have thick Rubber mat runs under floors in coaches. Rubber mats act as silencer drown out unnecessary underfloor noise not all manufacturers use this. Caf don't as builders of MK5 no rubber silence matting anywhere on MK5 hence certain areas ends of coaches u hear wheel & axle noise. Nothing wrong with train just way Spanish Company CAF choose build it.
Lovely video enjoy your sncf ones too, reason for rattling u get lot is that your classic cabin if 1st one will be positioned over top of the bogies hence u will hear all wheels noise as goes over track joints & junctions. Same applies if u are in seated coach in U.K. sat at ends of coaches. Just about all U.K. trains don’t have articulated bogies like u do in France which gives a smoother ride. Only trains in U.K. with articulated bogies are old E300 18 coach Eurostar sets built by Alstom & Anglia new built Stadler trains from Switzerland that operates London Liverpool Street to Norwich & local lines around Anglia region of U.K. Some are all electric some bi mode with mini coach containing engines
1:37 I can already hear the EMD 710s
Glad to see you enjoyed your journey, I took a trip on this train in October last year and had a fantastic time!
:) another cool video and great adventure! greetings from Poland :D
I love your videos. It’s not very likely that I’ll travel in Europe but it is wonderful to see all the possibilities. Thanks a lot!
The UK is not in Europe.
It’s its own continent. 😆
Hauled by a GBRf livery one, they also work the sleeper trains often. It depends what is available.
If you are able to sleep on a train, this would be a viable choice. Your alternative would be to get to the airport, fly to Edinburgh and get to a hotel, (maybe getting a bit more sleep there). The cost would be comparable, but the train was a more enjoyable experience.
I had the same rattling noise when I took it in November. Think it is the door between cabins, this is there so that families can book two cabins next to each other and open it into a single 4-bed berth.
As for the 92? All the ones on the sleeper are operated by GBRf, they have some in the Caledonian Sleeper livery and are supposed to supply those each night but if there's an issue they can supply one of the others.
The older stock could work with Class 86s, Class 87s and Class 90s as well; the former two were generally used on empty stock movements i.e. taking the carriages to and from the depot.
Awesome video😎from 🇯🇵
Although vehicles curry us speedy like airplanes or Shinkansen is needed everyday,spending time with such luxury cabin is what I need now😂👍
Salut, Merci Thibault pour ton trip report, j'ai beaucoup aimé. C'est la durée parfaite je trouve pour moi, entre 10 et 15 minutes pour un train. Tu expliques bien je trouve et ça me plait beaucoup. A bientôt.
I'm from India.. Awesome journey ND nice seat color.. 👍👍👍
Great video (another one), I'm glad I came across your channel.
Back in 1995, I thought UK train was OK. But about 10 years ago, I was shocked when I took a train from London to York. It was dirty, 2hr delay without proper notification. I encountered young drunken men fighting in the train and everyone in the train was freightened. There was no crew who tried to solve this. I thought I never take a train in UK... but this film changed my mind. thanks.
Welcome to the UK
Love your video. So advanced train coach. Really this will be a happy journey . 50% tiredness will go off due to the cozy and modern facilities of this train coach . 👍👍👍
The quality of sleep is not bad actually. However the main problem I encountered is the cold bathing water and unable to use hair dryer... other than that the trip itself is good. The food on the train is not bad too!
in the UK it is named a "biscuit" but we in US would say "cookie" :)
In france too
A cookie in the UK is usually larger & more rustic than the biscuit, usually the biscuit is for enjoyment with a cup of tea/coffee whereas the cookie is more of a snack in the way a chocolate bar is now in the US a biscuit is something you'd have to dip in a gravy (well that's what i've seen in parts of the US)
3:47 the Class 92 is GBRF as GBRF drivers operate the service which allows them to use their GBRF traction
I assume there were issues with availability of locos in Caledonian Sleeper livery on the night in question
Mercenary Pen Well, I’t doesn’t matter what livery the locomotive is, you actually see the caledonian sleeper liveried locomotives on freight services for GBRf. But yeah, your pretty much right!
Great video report, sorry to hear about the rattles. You should give feedback to Caledonian Sleeper; perhaps they can get this fixed as a snagging issue?
In the video I see the train is beautiful, is not very dirty, the train is on time go. The room is very good. This is the best train that I have seen travel by train video. This is a good train!
Sorry but, CAF is a spanish company, not panish, it's a subtitle little error. Thanks...
Something about some of the Class 92s, some of them are hired from GBRF, which goes back to the days when First Scotrail ran the sleeper.
This is a British style. Sinks right beside your bed.
Well, I have a 22hrs train trip from 3pm to 1pm the next day in full seated coach.
How was the trip?
@@ajf3202 I think it killed him...poor guy.
13:22 well stocked and cleaned
I tried the seats, but not the cabins, on a trip to Aviemore recently. Whilst there were fewer seats in the carriage, and more space, I found the seats were more uncomfortable than the old style ones to try to sleep on. Less cushioning and with light fittings sticking out in the wrong places. There was another person who remembered the old carriages who also found the seats more uncomfortable. I tried to reserve a cabin but none were available. I have not yet tried the cabins on the new carriages, they look great, and could easily be an improvement, but in my opinion the seated service is not as good.
4:15 the 66 there hauling track cleaning wagons
You meant "danish manufacturer", right? Also, amazing grammar and spelling. Also i like that you do not talk in your videos. You are just outright awesome😊
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I'd like to see you go all the way to Fort Williams on the Highlander with a detailed overview of your Full English (Scottish?) breakfast lol. Ahhh good stuff :)
William, not Williams. And yes, Scottish. It'll be a bit different from a Full English. Scottish is more apt to have black pudding, and if done properly it'll have a potato scone and square sausage, too.
@@ignoblesurfer6281 Appreciate your assiduousness (use that one in Scotland? 😂) I could use a potato scone and square sausage right about now. Black pooing - sounds horrible (where's my choking emoji when I need it?) but am sure with the right culinary guide up north it would be a different experience. d
@@linesided If black pudding is overcooked it's crumbly and horrible. If it's cooked just right it's a revelation. Just have to make sure you find the right one!
Having never slept on a train before I was worried the combination of noise and movement would leave me with a very restless night, but I slept like a baby! I didn't think it was that noisy at all, and the rocking motion I think helped me drift off!
10:57 what is a "mod con"?
What a great interior Design in this train, we need this on the continent!
13:46 nice noise of the doors
Not sure if the noise is inherent in the design of the mk5s. The mk3s were so much quieter and quieter riding no bogie knock underneath....these mk5s sounds annoying and not condusive to a good nights kip.
The regen raking noise also drives me mad.....it fools your brain into thinking youre accelerating but the body can feel deceleration.....not great. Not a fan of the mk5s but i have always liked the design of Euston station.
بريطانيا هي ام القطارات من نسمع سفر بالقطار السفر من لندن لأدنبره يقشعر جسدي واتذكر افلام كارتون سالي وساندي بيل
Super 👍👏 Greetings from Vienna🇦🇹
Beautiful video, greetings 🚂🔝🔝🔝👍👋
One of my favorites ❤
Four years ago I was in these train to Edinburgh. The isle lights were broken so it was totally dark in the coach and heating was so poor (or also broken) that my breakfast turned icy cold in minutes. That's definitely why they need to replace the coaches.
All of the coaches are replaced and actually these mk5s are more faulty and has already caused a serious incident where the train failed to stop.
Well, you were very lucky. The up Inverness/Aberdeen was delayed SIX HOURS this morning. Looks as if it broke down somewhere north of the border. How do people pay £180 to chance it with this disorganised crowd?
One Cal Sleeper suffered a similar lengthy delay one or two nights ago. Loco failure en route.
Beware of signal failures, power failures, broken down trains, hot weather, cold weather, points failures... these will cause delays to your journey.
Took it 5 years ago from Fort Williams to London. Great experience and the food was delicious. I remember they had a very large selection of beers/Scotch.
Will definitively try it again in the future :-)
7:46 host call and window light 💡
I knew it! I was like "I hear a 66?". It's was hiding
Always Nice rail trips congratulations
"Euston Station, automation, hypnotizing earwigs with a billiards cue..." (Marty Feldman)
Seriously, though, it was deliberately built in airport style. I loathe it.
Bring back the Euston ARch !
Great vid.
The euston arch is coming back they have pulled it out of the river
Another great trip report the CAL sleeper seems very luxury at 180 pounds it is expensive but definitely worth it compared to other normal train services in the UK
How does it rate against a business class flight?
Good job! How much in American Dollars? Is the difference in price from coach and sleeper worth it? Cheers!
All you have to do is take the local currency and convert it into USD. Why would there be a set US dollar price?
this train and the earlier Highland train will call at stations including Cewe to pick up passengers. Sometimes GBRF and Caladonion Sleeper be hauling the train. You can watch both trains at Crewe on Railcam Crewe Cam 2 and join in the chat. We are a friendly bunch of people who like trains. It's all we talk about. If you need more info just ask!!!
Under normal, non covid restrictions working only the Highlander service calls at Crewe North and Southbound.
Nice Video :-) The Mark V stock is nice and new but not very intimate in terms of comfort but certainly a better way to travel--Especially the run to Fort William, sitting in the lounge car eating breakfast and watch the highlands roll by! The Mark V stock will replace the Night Riviera Mark III sleeper stock in due course, priority is currently the Scottish services first the seen "Lowland Services" then the stock will be rolled out for the Inverness/Aberdeen and Fort William routes. It would have been nice to see the suite rooms with the wider double bed, I have the impression the smaller twin bunk cabins were the same size as on the Mark III's, but with the plethora of useful USB and mains sockets and useful cell phone bracket makes a nice touch--especially for travelers who have to plug in their Sleep Apnea devices. I have seen these coaches last year (2019) outside the factory at Beasain, Northern Spain, all on flat trucks for delivery to the UK which was a treat looking forward to these coming into service!
I understand that GWR on the Night Riviera have no plans to replace the old Mark 3 sleeper coaches.
One of your best videos. I particularly liked the blind bit.
Yes, I’d like to watch a comparison presentation between the two services 👍🏻. Question ... what differences separate the standard cabin vs. club rooms vs. suites?
The classic rooms are just 2 single beds and a sink
The clubs rooms are 2 single beds, sink, shower and toilet
The suite rooms are one double bed, sink, shower and toilet
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I personally think that rattling noise may help me sleep!
Always use the ear plugs provided if you are a light sleeper!!
The coaches of the new caledonian sleeper train look simiar to the coaches of Amtrak's Acela Express..
Thanks a lot for the video without stupid music equal. A comparison video would be very interesting, I guess !
Nighttrains have a high potential, unfortunately several railways cut them down, when the high speed trains came up !
Thanks for a great video. That train is on my bucket list for 2020.
Fact the Caledonian Sleeper used to be a class 90 and some Mark 3 coaches
Brilliant Footage, I Will Be Doing This In July
Highland or Lowland?
@@ajf3202 Lowland
@@SouthCoastTrainspotter you need to try and get to fort william at some point. Best journey I've ever done.
@@ajf3202 Ok 👌
train journey is adventurous..
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The train is so hi tech!
nice cabin of train.
The Caledonian Sleeper 92s are owned by GBRf - most but not all are in the sleeper livery