ECOFLOW Dual Fuel smart generator Complete review !
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- Опубликовано: 1 ноя 2022
- This new generator is even smarter. It can automatically switch to propane just by plugging in the the propane line. Let me know your thoughts on the new unit and be sure to smash to like button...#ecoflow #new #review
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Thanks for making this video; first one for the dual fuel I've found on RUclips. Looking forward to setting ours up when it arrives soon. Really excited to try the propane option with our Delta Pro setup.
You’re welcome glad you liked the video.
And the propane option is definitely pretty slick.
Thanks for stopping by and hope to see you around 😀👍🏼
This will definitely complement and charge all my Ecoflow power stations whenever there is a long power outage.
This will help will all that for sure ..👍🏼
Enjoyed the review and how the units operate and perform. Well done.
Thank you very much and glad you liked it 😀👍🏼
Excellent review! Very to the point! Not a second wasted!
Thank you, appreciate the feedback 😀👍🏼
Thanks for the review of the Smart Generator. I definitely need it to charge my Delta Pro and be independent from the grid.
It’s a pretty cool unit for sure!
Another outstanding video. I'm still waiting for mine to ship. Hopefully soon.
Wow thank you!! 👊🏼
And yes it’s cool. Just another part of the ecosystem!!
I like it. Mine is due to arrive this afternoon...
Have fun with it. That new connection point is slick.
Awesome review! 😎 I wish all youtube reviews were like this!
You and Ecoflow may have just convinced me to upgrade my current dual-fuel inverter generator setup!
"Most" youtube content providers babble on-and-on for 20-30 minutes about the simplest things and wander off-topic so much that I turn the playback speed up to 1.25, 1.50, and sometimes 2.0. I have stuff to do, so thanks for not wasting my time. 😊
Wow thanks for the compliments, appreciate it..😀👍🏼👊🏼
And yes like you I have stuff to do 😂👊🏼
Will Prowse is ok.
Wills great, funny guy…👍🏼😀
@@johnnysweekends I can't stand him but he's very gifted and talented.
@@jrambo7495 ~ I'm a retired Mechanical Engineer and my nickname for *Will Prowse* is "Kid Genius".
He is self-taught, extremely knowledgeable, and knows exactly what he's talking about, sometimes beyond the scope of the average DIY person. 👨🎓
Keep 'em coming JW. TKS
Thanks Mike 😀👍🏼👊🏼
This generator + Delta Pro + Solar + Propane provides an excellent backup system for grid failure scenarios. I design data center class power systems and the features this generator offers is worth the current price of $1299. Auto start and shutoff, propane plus DC charging are key items. Yes, you can buy a cheaper generator with twice the power, but that is the wrong item to review when purchasing a total EcoFlow system.
Exactly, it’s a full set up that can help you make it through grid failures and gives all options basically to be able to provide power.
And yes not a good stand alone unit, this is meant to compliment the ECOFLOW ecosystem
@Larry Butler That is an excellent purchase. The average person cannot do that unless they do not value their time shopping, waiting, fixing and installing. Then there is the electrician to install the generator (legally). For $500 I would instantly use your solution for a full house. However, your generator does not integrate into the Delta Pro products which is the point of the dual fuel generator. Your runtime cost will be in the multiple dollars per hour for a 33kw genset. If there is a diesel shortage, then what? Transporting diesel to your home is a pain, keeping diesel clean and ready, etc. When we had the power outage in 2008 in Seattle, we could not buy fuel as the stations could not pump. That lasted for several weeks in northern Seattle (Woodinville) with no power, no fuel, etc.
Not having dual fuel on the first gen was the achilles heal of the smart generator. This 2nd gen fixed that issue and it’s perfect in my opinion. This paired with a Delta Pro would be ideal for extended grid loss situations. Especially in natural disasters like hurricanes or tornadoes where the grid might be down for days. Using a Delta Pro just to run a fridge and this generator with propane to top off the battery would be extremely efficient.
I really love the DP with the smart green. I have both and added the propane kit to the original smart green but got the dual fuel and now not sure what I’ll do with the other. Parts or maybe more testing.
One difference between air cooled & liquid cooled engines is piston tolerances. Though air cooled engines run a bit hotter, the delta between piston & cylinder dimentions on a cold aircooled engine is smaller than a liquid cooled engine and it heats up quicker. This reduce the wear of cold start on air cooled engines.
The 5000rpm compensates for the 40cc difference with the Honda's 121cc.
It does seem less elegant, but surprisingly, small capacity motorcycle engines are proving to suffer no reliability issues despite revving twice as high.
Would be great to have some long term reviews. Thanks for your video.
It will be interesting to see the longevity since most these will be used for short durations verses hours at a time to run all day or night. Only enough o really recharge a battery bank unless using a decent amount of power then sure it will longer. Will see what the long term does.
I have the Delta Pro. I’m getting this!
Dude it’s nice. Propane hook up and go
I would love to see this setup powering a cabin on a long term basis.
A lot of use will be waiting for that 😂👍🏼
That’s the thing it’s a piggy back system for solar then batteries then something like this when the sun is blocked by thick cloud layer and more.
I’m wondering how the lithium ion battery does in really cold temps. I mean nothing has heaters and typically the generator is outside.
Hey,
Great video!
It’s probably maxing out at about 1600W because of the 32A DC limit…
That’s what I’m thinking 32amp at 48v. The rating at the plug connect is 42-58.8. So was thinking maybe you would get a little more.
But is what it is.
Sorry, if this has already said this, but I didn’t see anything. Be careful using 87 octane fuel unless it is ethanol-free. The ethanol can wreak havoc on hoses, seals…etc. if you don’t have a local source of ethanol free gas then go with the highest octane available. The higher octanes should have no or less ethanol. Ethanol-free fuel will typically store longer with Sta-bil too. Great video….thanks.
Correct Ethanol free fuel does store longer but can be extremely expensive depending where you can get it. Most ranges I see are about $6-$8 a gallon but also depends where you live. That can be extremely expensive over time. Which I think I would primarily use propane at that point.
Now if you use your generator regularly and filling up about once a week or two like your car then 87 is just fine and provides max power. Premium won’t provide and performance and sometimes can even create more carbon build up depending on the user. Now it does store a while longer but still contains the same amount of ethanol.
If you use the unit regularly 87 is just fine.
If you use it only once or twice a month or maybe a little less, premium may be a good option, if using even less then a stabilizer or fuel conditioner which I always recommend should be added.
If storing long periods ethanol free would be great but still drain the carb.
I tend to buy premium in the winter for the last couple runs for my lawn mower as I may not use that fuel for a month or two depending on weather. But once the season hits I’m back to 87.
I don’t really even have issues with my equipment from sitting. But I also do the proper maintenance and storing..👍🏼
This is great stuff!
Thank you. And thanks for stopping bye 👊🏼👍🏼😀
Great Review Johnny👍! These generators just keep getting better and better don't they? 🙋♂️
Well technology sure helps. As long as the engines last they should be good. But yea these things are getting cool.
And honestly you can replace this engine because there are tons of them around 😁
@@johnnysweekends That's good to know, because after watching a guy tear down a Honda eu2000i to replace a valve, I would never attempt that job 😂.
Lol yea I’m getting over doing engine stuff. I don’t mind tinkering still but I don’t wanna do it so much any more 😂
@@johnnysweekends .
I didn’t see a message 🤷♂️
The grey tint in the oil is probably the assembly grease that they use when building the engines .
It also acts as a corrosion inhibitor whilst the generator is in storage prior to sale.
Hmmm interesting, do you happen to know the type of grease? I assumed they used a oil and then maybe a spray but who knows, changes every few years.
@@johnnysweekends sometimes it’s a graphite based assembly grease/ oil which helps protect the engine components in the first seconds of the start up till the oil gets around to do its job.
Any good engine rebuilder will use some form of engine assembly lubricant.
Yea I seen and used some assembly oils years ago, but I have seen recently these assembly greases. Amsoil caught my eye since I had them as a sponsor years ago.
I'll totally buy this
I may have a discount code..! Should be in the link though
Just got mine today, and used your video for guidance and it was very helpful. Thanks for making it! Do you have a video for maintenance of it?
I don’t but I guess I should…
How many charges to the battery with the full tank of propane you’re showing we would get?
My regularly used Honda EU2000I generator is over 15 years old and never had one repair needed...other than required maintenance. BUT DAMN...that electric start is nice! So when my honda FINALLY dies then maybe a smart gen ...lol...FYI the ecoflow lp/gas generator is on sale for $999 right now 11/25/22.
Wow that’s awesome and yes is a pretty neat gen. I don’t think I would it is you don’t own Ecoflow products unless you want the cool features.
And yea that’s a smoking price.!!!!!! 😲
They are getting better but we need to see some years first to really know
would love to see them combine this with an air engine, to get that better fuel effeciency. it would end up being bigger, but it would pay off in the long run, where power is not that available.
What do you mean by air engine? Isn't this thing air cooled already?
@@Richz87 look at the MDI air car engine, which can run on compressed air, and when combined with a gasoline engine, it could make the car go 50 km pr. liter, which is about doubble of most car's.
This just makes so so much sense. Have solar input with duel fual backup, all controlled by the "brain". Portable, scalable, and simple.
I do not see a future for hard wired solar "brains". Perhaps for panels................
Lol well ya never know 😂
One thing to note is that I can also use the Ecoflow App to monitor the Smart Generator like all my other Ecoflow power stations.
The app is definitely cool. Love being able to adjust stuff when needed.
Could I use this generator to replace my Onan RV generator? Is it possible to run the gas line that goes into current to this and make it work? Also how would you manage exhaust? Im thinking of dipping my toes into this for the RV as a "test bed" before my house. It looks like I wouldnt even need to install a transfer switch (its an old RV)? I am thinking Smart Gen to Pro, maybe some way to hook up shore power. It seems that it only runs when the batteries get low that are hooked into it with that smart cable thing. Sorry Just trying to figure out what I can do.
Did you happen to check the app as to the generator output I believe it’s is adjustable. Another great plus. I like charging my delta pros and extra batteries at a 39-50% rate for healthy batteries.
Yes the generator pretty much limits at 1650 watts regardless of gas or propane. Even at 4000 feet it’s still 1650 lol.
Looking forward to have a dual fuel with propane and battery... so will use battery for as long as it can, then use propane as "range extension"...
Exactly and have solar dump in a well. That’s where the pay back really comes in .
yes
U forgot to mention the adapter that connects to the cord. From dual to the Pro? 😊
thats nice toy ....i find it still loud , i though it will be very salient running lol
Never knew about changing the oil after an hour, thanks
Oh yea, some are worse then others. I did one after 3-4 hours and was like wow !!! Lol.
That’s why I do about 30 mins now to wash the engine and then the next oil change will be maybe 10 hrs. Then normal intervals
@@johnnysweekends ~ The aftermarket magnetic dipsticks capture a lot of debris when breaking in a new engine also.
Correct 👍🏼 I need one for this now..👍🏼
@@royrobinson4636 careful, the magnetic flux from dip sticks could damage sensitive electric components in the inverter. Also, most of the fines are from the aluminum block, aluminum is not magnetic. I would recommend stay with a plastic dipstick. Just break in generator and at 20 hours, 5 hours and 100 hrs, change oil.
I don’t see how that tiny little magnet will interfere with anything. It’s very small.
I agree with you, load engine to max power when it's cold just after start is killing the engine, this is a fact. Even in cheap generators when you read user manual, it says: "start engine, wait 1-2 minutes for warm, connect load". I don't understand why they won't fix it????
I really hope a firmware update can fix it but yea major flaw for anyone in cold areas.
I’m curious in a couple years what they will do. I plan on stressing them some in January and Feb and then when it gets hot and see if they live!!! Lol
The only thing that would make this better is remote start/stop, ideal for late season hunters!
It has that through the phone! 👍🏼😀
My Champion 200991 has a quick connect that looks just like the one on this generator. Mine was not a normal quick connect and will not work with standard quick connects.
Yea I forgot that champion moved to the quick connect..👍🏼
My champion 2000w dual fuel has a quick connect for propane
Yea I forgot that the newer champions have it as well. But I think it’s just them and the ECOFLOW at the moment but I’m sure it will change
This is on my xmas list. I recommend adding PlanetSafe Lubricants Oil and Gear treatment to the oil. It reduces friction and heat. In fact if you add it to standard oil it outperforms synthetic oil.
Actually never heard of planet safe products. I’ll have to look that up..👍🏼
Great video!!! What’s your thought on a oil treatment like Lucas, etc… You running and then draining your oil to remove debris and metals is something I’m going to to… thanks…👍
I honestly don’t think the treatment will do much just frequent oil changes will do great. I mean you could try it.
With that Dual Fuel system, I actually won't have any problems running the Smart Generator whether it is gas or propane.
That’s true. Choices are always nice to have..👍🏼
Hi, if you have propane and Gas hooked up simultaneously, which one is the default? Or can you choose? Was wondering also if both are hooked up and one runs out does switch automatically to the other type of fuel? Thanks 😊
If you plug into the propane socket this will activate the solenoid to run it on propane and so gas is secondary but no way to switch automatically. You have to unplug the propane line. 👍🏼
Can you use these generators for camping ? Can you connect electric appliances such as electric stove, kettle etc and can you charge using solar panels or simply plug into vehicle and use battery only if you have no propane ?
This particular generator is more for using with the EcoFlow power stations and there whole ecosystem….it will do those things but not as good as maybe just a regular generator with a couple more outlets. But this has so many cool features its hard not to pass almost using as a stand alone unit. But with a correct EcoFlow power station to compliment it, you kinda feel unstoppable lol.
Great video. I'm thinking about buying one of these to use with an Ecoflow Delta Pro. Can you tell me approximately how many times you could fully charge a Delta Pro with one 20 lb. tank of propane? I'm sure it's a range and that various factors could affect it, but I'd really like to have at least a rough idea. Thank you.
It’s about 5.4kwh with gas and about 20kwh on a 20lb propane tank. 👍🏼😀
And don’t pay full price as I normally have coupon codes somewhere lol
Why not spend $650 for a 2300 watt Firman whisper series that takes .9 gallon and runs for up to 9 hours on gas? If you buy 2 of them they can be connected giving you 3,600 watts and twice the running time for less than the price of 1 of these.
Well it’s not as simple. Because that generator can’t do what this one does. This is meant to compliment the ECOFLOW products and charge them up automatically.
Meaning they can start and stop all on there own once set. You can start it with you phone or stop it. Set how many watts you want to charge from 1000 watts to 1800 watts from the phone and once percentage is reached on the battery level the generator will just shut off on its own and then you are on battery power again. One gallon of fuel can provide 5.4kw of energy for the battery systems. And chargers ECOFLOW products using Dc verses ac.
As a stand alone unit this is not a good option but if you own ECOFLOW products then this is a pretty cool unit
Great review. From a practical perspective, if you have the EcoFlow DP (100lbs) set up, it tends to be stationary. I would have to set it up in my basement. Then consider that the dual fuel generator needs to be set up outside. So here we go, roll the DP upstairs, etc. That is why if I were to use this dual fuel generator I would get two Delta 2s, weighing less than 30 lbs each and charge one while the other is in use, as needed. Just an idea…
That’s kinda the reason Honda and there new system will use swappable battery packs. One can be charge while the other is in use. It’s kinda a nice idea almost like Bluetti. But ECOFLOW does have there smart batteries as well but you need the main unit. Which if that dies well..?
So then you need one unit and two batteries and then a generator lol.
I actually like the advantages of propane because for one it sucks bit for two, if i buy two bottles that are new and full i can leave them closed for years before the bottles expire and gasokine i cant do that. Only thing is gasoline is a bit easier to get depending on the times. So for short term you might want to use gasoline but really propane is useful. You already need it for the cast iron flat top grill. People may be using these fkr things like ogffrid airbnbs or camping, weird stuff lime at base camps.of long hiking expeditions. There might not always be good gasoline but only a couple bottles of propane holds enormous energy density and its useful even if the bottle is of questionable integrity if youre in the 3rd world situations. Gasolime eill be very common and easy to get in usa. So is propane. Different fuels is better. A couple machines that can turn sunlight propane or gasoline into electricity is the difference between caveman and high class glamping. I cant afford it. I could but id regret it. Its not easy for me to transport these big machines on a motorcycle, the only transportation i can afford
What duel fuel kit did you find to install in your generator?
I have it all listed in the description. Should be a parts list there 😀👍🏼
Which kit did you use to make your old generator use propane? Intrigued as i have the first version as well
I thought it was listed in the links and comment section? I’ll have to go look again
Should be this ebay.us/4fT16H
What is the run time of either fuel? I can't seem to find that at 50% capacity.
Well it’s supposed to generate about 5.4kw per one tank of fuel and 20.3..🤔🤔 on propane 20lb bottle.
This is too 😎
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Does it have an oil filter? Even my VW Beetle had one. Just a screen really but it was there. Also, how about cost of fuel. One lb of propane is about a buck CDN. One liter of 87 octane is at least 1.57 CND. Any idea how they compare on say W-hr/Dollar?
Most all small generators and medium do not have an oil filter. It’s like lawn equipment you won’t find unless it’s a bigger unit.
And fuel prices vary depending where you are. But gasoline has more btu per gallon. So if price was equal gas wins for more power or energy per gallon
Would you recommend this over a Honda gas unit? And does this have a large battery that you can use solar panels to charge?
So this is part of ecoflows ecosystem. They have large battery power stations that this compliments. So this can charge those and also solar can charge them as well or ac from grid power and more.
Honda is a great option but more to it then that.
Did you watch my other video on the smart generator first generation ? I use the Honda as a example against this unit.
@@johnnysweekends didnt see that one, will try to find it , thanks
Did you already see it ?
@@johnnysweekends no not yet
So my question is this, can the EcoFlow Smart Generator (Dual Fuel) be used as a stand alone generator, or is it just designed to supplement the Delta Max & Pro?
I'd like to know if it's worth it buying this over the conventional generators.
Yes it can but it only has the single 15 amp outlet. So if you don’t own any ECOFLOW products then you are really just getting it for the smart functions of being able to start and stop it on a phone.
A normal 1600-1800 watt green normally has two 15 amp sockets but still limited to the overall 1600-1800 watts.
Hope this helps
@@johnnysweekends Thank you soo much for your response and advise on this. I live in an area where the risks of black-outs are becoming likely, I had hoped to start off with this Dual fuel since LPG is quite cheap in the UK. At some stage in the future, I plan to kit out with the other DELTA generators. I just needed to know whether this was good enough for generic use like mini fridge and laptop.
Yes will definitely run those items. And if you are planning to get EcoFlow products then yes this would complement the setup well. But other gens can be used with the EcoFlow items you just loose some features and it goes to pass though mode as well and charging verses full power if not using the smart gen.
Does it transfer for propane to gas automatically if propane goes dry? What’s the battery voltage?
No unfortunately not. You will have to rotate the switch from off to back on and disconnect the propane line so the solenoid knows to switch.
@@johnnysweekends so I wondered how it detected? You can't leave the lpg line connected and the bottle off then to run petrol? Is there some sort of switch that the LPG connector pushes in when you connect the hose?
@KJPage its show in the video. I show when it connects and disconnects and the pin
Is the 1650 charging watts due to the fact that the generator charges the battery by DC?
That’s ac or Dc. It just seems about the max.
Does the eco duel Fuel also take panels? Or is it strictly gas or propane?
This is a gas or propane generator only. It provides ac or dc power to EcoFlow products but can be used as a stand alone but its better for the EcoFlow ecosystem
does it run with less noise when on propane?
It’s slight like very. Just the exhaust note is different. So maybe makes it seem a little quieter but I have measured others and found no difference
So. This is 3600w? Is that on gas ?
I want to know the output with propane.
I have a soft start on my travel trailers ac. It runs great with my 2300w from northern tool until the outside temps get to about 95f. Then the generator can't handle the load.
I want a duel fuel with 3000 to 4000w.
This is not the right generator for you for what you are looking for.
This is mainly to compliment the ECOFLOW products.
I recommend either this champion which is one of my personal favorites amzn.to/3zOpWqi
Or this is also been very popular which I have this model and so far been doing great amzn.to/3Ut6MOr
Besos johnny
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How long did it run on a 20lb propane tank?
I have never done a full run on a tank. I never need to with solar hooked up. Normally its a hour or so at a time. But from all info I have gathered from other users about 12hrs or so on a 20lb tank which is a lot of power. About 20kw!
So what would it take to add LP two the new generator?
It already runs in LPG .??? Did you mean NG?
@@johnnysweekends sorry, yes thats what i meant.
This new model cannot be used on NG as the regulator is set for lpg and Mg has less btu’s by a decent amount so you would need a different pressure setup.
But the old one can be converted to tri fuel 😀👍🏼
Would you need one EcoFlow generator per Delta Pro that you own? or would one suffice for more than one without any cable unplugging and plugging into a different Delta Pro.
You need a smart gen per each delta pro…unless you daisy chain the dp.
Smart gen into delta pro…. Delta pro charging other delta pro from Ac.
@@johnnysweekends Thank you sir. Good to know. This cements my plans to add more watt hours to my Delta Pros using a different route. Because I have a couple of mini splits to each of my Delta Pros, it EATS up my watt-hours like crazy. I live in the desert where in the summer, it never even gets below 100 degrees at night even, and in the day, it's 110 degrees for well over 30 days straight. My plans will be to replace grid power going TO my Delta Pros that I have set to input 200 watts . I will add a 6000 watt inverter / charge controller (the EG4 6000XP Off-Grid Inverter from Signature Solar) and connect it to (for starters) 2 of their EG4 batteries to add WAAAY more watt hours. THIS system will be separately charged using about 4000 watts of solar panels. Then use the electrical plug from that inverter setup to take at least 200 watts consistently from the EG4 batteries as well as the EcoFlow Pro batteries just to keep things from going to the lowest charge (18%) before I run out of power to my mini splits. This is my plan to add WAY more watt-hours to my Delta Pro systems..... Thoughts??
@wildwestunlimited mini splits no matter 120 or 240 still burn some energy. You may want to look into the hybrid mini splits that run off solar entirely. You could run the batteries into the DP through DC solar input for better conversion in the solar input but still have to figure out what setup is best for you. Also with those temps battery efficiency is also lost as well. Tough conditions for sure. Look into these hybrids signaturesolar.com/eg4-hybrid-ac-dc-solar-air-conditioner-1-ton/?ref=JWKNDS
@@johnnysweekends Well darn, I knew I'd forget to state something about my setup.... you caught me. Yes, the mini split units that I've bought (two of 'em so far) are hybrid units. During the day, bright sunshine, they run 100% on solar panels, WHILE my DP units charge. The ones that I buy are called "Airspool" and I get them from San Tan Solar because, they are the same Chinese pieces / parts AND that solar store is driving distance from me and I go pick it up with ZERO shipping.... AND ..... Here in Arizona, we pay ZERO sales taxes on anything solar. So yes, I'm already using a hybrid mini split that uses 120 volts. I plan to buy at least 2 more in my entire solar built-out. Air Conditioning is BY FAR the most energy consumptive thing in ANY home here, so if I can eliminate the AC energy usage, I'll be doing GREAT! .... PLUS, when it's 110 PLUS degrees here and, what if the electricity goes out for 3 days, a week, two weeks.... man, most everyone who decided to bug in would be either dead or HURTING bad. I'd rather have quiet, ground mounted solar array so no one can see into my back yard and have QUIET mini splits running tor AC. mini splits And YES, they are SOOOOOO quiet even on 100% FULL blast. I really like them a lot!
Comparing this smart generator with a regular generator is about the same as comparing a personal computer with a calculator. Both can count something. But a computer can do a lot of other things, but a calculator can only count, that’s all.
In my conditions, when access to the generator is difficult, remote starting and control of a smart generator is one of its main advantages. With it, I can build a nearly maintenance-free system that runs automatically. With Honda this option is not possible.
Honda is a cool unit, but this cool unit seems to be from the last century. There's not even an hour meter...
Even using this smart generator separately from the eco system is completely justified if you want to get almost complete automation and control over the emergency power process. If you use an eco-system, then such a smart generator has no competitors and is simply not replaceable.
What is the difference in the ecoflo a d say a generac dual fuel
Ecoflows unit is totally different and is part of Ecoflow’s ecosystem and can dc charge. It can auto start and start as well.
Generac is junk from decar stay away
Any idea how long a 20lb propane tank will last powering a 200 watt fridge?? Thanks ahead
Not a hundred percent sure because its more to power and charge up the EcoFlow power stations and just be part of the whole ecosystem. But just alone maybe 12-14 hours🤷🏼♂️
@@johnnysweekends and they call this efficient?? Thats f'in crazy!!
It could be longer maybe 18 hours I didn’t look, again a lot of factors besides 200 watts. A full tank of fuel will charge up the powers stations and provide 5.4kws of energy , or 20kw on a bottle of propane. It falls in line with every other 80cc model out there.
Perhaps you'd get more output using a higher-octane fuel?
Higher octane if anything will decrease performance as a stock engine needs a couple things to burn it correctly. High octane fuels burn cooler and will have no benefits. Unless maybe really hot out it could help in extreme temps with overall egt and engine temps.
@@johnnysweekends ok, heard the lower octane fuels may have a bio-ethanol content which is not good when stored long-term
While that is true higher octane doesn’t provide any performance benefits. It does store a little longer and sometimes can help with older engines with carbon build up, but all these are minor.
Very cool. How difficult is it to modify to run on Natural Gas?
This one I believe can not be a tri fuel as it does not have a way to regulate the jetting size and flow inside for NG
You will have to modify the older one like I did with the dual fuel tri fuel kit
My question EXACTLY! ..... EcoFlow would REALLY have a great generator for the Delta Pro if this was tri-fuel! Not that this isn't a great unit already, it just would be so much better in my two cents. I have a generator that works great BUT it's a modified sinewave generator, not a pure sinewave. Because of that, I would not use it to charge my Delta Pro units. I also wonder how long it would take to charge from almost zero percentage using propane, then SOMEHOW calculate the difference in cost of how much it would cost to charge the EcoFlow with two batteries just from the house outlet.... In other words, it costs how much for the propane and then how much for charging from the home outlet. I know not all electricity charges are the same depending on your electricity company but that would be a great comparison.
Is there a easy way to set the dual fuel unit up with NG instead of Propane?
I believe you would have to get another regulator that’s adjustable.
I was going to look into this but haven’t yet. But it’s on the to do list.
@@johnnysweekends yup need different one for NG, where were you able to find that Snorkel that fit perfectly on the carb?
Yea the kit for the gas unit only the snorkel fit about 95% correct. It partially closed or blocked a small inlet but not enough to change how it runs. Mine runs like normal.
curious about this as well, any updates? thanks
@gilbertgadbois1143 the original
Smart gen I could get to run on NG because it didn’t have an internal load regulator. Since the DF has an internal it needs to be bypassed and then a kit from one of the company’s needs to be used.
will this handle sin gas as well as propane?
It will handle unleaded gasoline and propane. I don’t know what sin gas is.
@@johnnysweekends Syngas is synthetic gas, most commonly made from wood, but essentially it is methane and hydrogen. It is a carbon neutral or even negative fuel source, as the carbon emitted is less than the carbon sequestered in the plant growth process, and its process leaves a biomass and biofuel.
Ahh got ya, yea heard of it but never used it. I don’t know how much btu’s it contains but I assume it’s probably close to natural gas. As long is there is enough lubricant in it I don’t see why it shouldn’t work.
1:20 "nobody else has really done a quick connect on the generator side" .... Welll Champion does
Yea I forgot that champion had just started this a few months earlier. I think first on the 2500 dual fuel unit.
@@johnnysweekends well... I got my 3400 dual fuel in 2020 and it's on there already...
Plus I just remembrer firman has them too
Yea firman started adding those as well.
But now that I remember my older champion 3400 dual fuel did have it. Just the connector was flipped. The coupler was on the generator side verses the hose side.
Funny I totally forgot about that one.
Good model because it’s a low profile and fits under a tonnue cover
how long one propane tank lasts at max output
Not so much how long it last but power it will out to a unit. A 20lb bottle I believe does about 20kwh if I remember. Verses 5.4kwh on gasoline
Is there an OIL FILTER on this?
No just a splash oil generator
Is it quieter using propane?
Slightly different tone but quieter? No May seem like it but on a meter no.
But how we perceive it , sure it may seem quieter.
How does this compare to the Honda eu2200i?
Well it’s a completely different generator and it’s really not meant to compare in a way. As the smart gen is meant to complement the ECOFLOW products.
@@johnnysweekends does the ecoflow also take power input from solar panels? Sorry, I haven’t had time to research these systems much but love the two little Honda’s that I have.
Well this unit is strictly just a generator but produces power differently for the ECOFLOW products as it main port is a big DC outlet. And a also one ac outlet.
So all in all it’s just a really smart generator. But the ECOFLOW power stations can be charged from ac or Dc which also includes solar.
Can this be hooked up to a generator transfer switch ?
Yes but it wont be automatic except the app functions will work if needed. If hooked up to eco products then it can be fully automated
Thanks for the response. I'd have to manually throw the breaker interlock anyway, so not being automatic would be ok. If my Delta Pro ran down, I was looking to have the option to add the generator to the main electrical box thru a transfer switch to power the panel, while also charging my Delta Pro via a 120 outlet.
@Barc7580 totally can be done from the ac out port. Obviously you only get about 1650-1700 watts as that’s about all I ever get.
But yea just need a adapter to go to 15/20amp plug
I didn't realize they made gas generators,I thought they were all battery/solar.
It’s to compliment the ECOFLOW products.
It’s can start and stop all on its own once it’s set up.
How do you maintain the starter battery if it sits for a long time unused?
Trickle charger
@@johnnysweekends with what? How?
@KJPage one of these that’s lithium capable amzn.to/3N7NVaq
@@johnnysweekendsok so you just dodgy it with something random and hope for the best. Ok.
I did wonder if say you leave a Delta 2 Max plugged in on the DC cable if it would maintain the starter battery somehow?
I don’t think it back feeds the starter battery.
any word on bluetti following with their own smart dual fuel generator?
Don’t know yet but I’m curious and trying to dig 😂👍🏼
I know this is an old video and most likely you won't see this comment, so how long does it take to charge the Delta 2 battery on propane and also on gas.
Doesn’t matter which fuel you use. It matters the wattage coming in. If you set to 1000 watts then Delta should be charged in just about a 1hr or slightly longer. 500 watts coming in about 2 hours. 👍🏼
is cheaper to run it on gas or on propane?
Gas is cheaper because you get more power from it. So say a falling of gas and a gallon of propane on the same load. You would get say 20 mins longer run time on gas. Just a example
The main reason I got this Smart Generator is that it has a carbon monoxide detector which makes it way safer.
It’s a nice feature to have. 👍🏼
I'm just curious. Why that generator runs at 5000 rpm. While most others run at 3600 RPM.. This motor ain't going to last long at full tilt boogie throttle. Those still seems, reasonably quiet. I just don't like the note of that pitch. It's too high.
So… I'll just have to be happy. With my current, 4.5 kW, Briggs & Stratton generator by Craftsman. In an open frame. With a 3 gallon or is that 5 gallon gas tank. For extended run times. And a pull start. The good old-fashioned style. But it only outputs, 120 volts. And I really need one that outputs, 240. For the HVAC, central air conditioning and heating system. I have in a, 3 separate room, diesel box truck. Recording Studio on Wheels! I go where the live shows go. To record and/or broadcast live audio and video entertainment events. And so really have never paid for a ticket. To an all day rock 'n' roll festival. With chart topping bands on the radio. They have to pay me! To listen to and record that stuff. That I do so well. Everything sounds like a hit record under my fingertips. As I am highly accomplished. And it's so easy for me. I don't even have to think about it. I go on autopilot. And don't even have to be fully conscious. To do a, superlative job. After doing it on the national level for nearly 40 years. All totaled.
So, generator yes! 5000 RPM I'm not so certain about? How will it survive in the summertime? It's going to be running superhot. And it's not like it gets a lot of air. Other than through the carburetor. And how long that LCD display will last before the heat, kills it? I already had that problem with one Chinese diesel generator. The motors were fine clones of a, well established, Japanese diesel. It was all the other support stuff. That kept melting. I eventually returned it and took a nearly $1000 loss. What a nightmare that was. Just to get my hands on a diesel generator. For my diesel truck. With a 50 gallon tank. And I'm sorry. The fumes from gasoline just will not do! And so propane is the next logical alternatives. Though a bit more costly. It'll be less dangerous and far less smelly. If I just stick to, propane. And throw Homer Simpson some work.
I've been suffering from gas for years.
RemyRAD
Yea I don’t know how long it will last either but one thing is it won’t run constantly it will be a on and off type of thing as it powers up the ECOFLOW products so one charged it shuts off. Verses some people will run them on 300 watt loads for hours and hours which kinda is a waist.
So who knows will see how it does.
Hi, thanks for useful review. I'm also consider to buy dual fuel generator as a backup solution for my Delta 2. But here in Ukraine it can be a problem to refill LPG, or get some petrol. so I'm thinking whether it's possible or not to connect generator to natural gas tube, we have one in our house. I'm not sure that the pressure will be enough to properly work of smart generator. What do you think, is it poy? Currently 40% of pur power infrastructure are not working after rus terrorist attack by missiles and iranian drones :( so situation are not so good, and we are off grid 12-14h per day. Thanks in advance. And sorry for my English
Wow sounds crazy out there!!!
Unfortunately this model can not be a tri fuel unit. The regulator is designed for propane and set for the amount of btu’s propane has.
You can buy a natural gas regulator I have a champion tri-fuel it runs on propane or natural gas or gas petrol I mean on natural gas you lose a couple hundred Watts but you can add an natural gas regulator manifold to any generator as far as I know
You can but I don’t know if you can add it to this unit already. That would be kinda a waist.
You would want to buy the gas version only of this unit and then do what I did and add the tri fuel kit. This will allow you to use all 3.
But once they add a internal regulator set for propane it pretty much means it can’t be adjusted.
I don’t know of a way to convert this one only the original
KS 4000iEG S (or some smaller unit)
"you can use generator with both a portable gas cylinder and with a stationary capacity for gas storage (gasholder). Connection has to be made by a certified specialist. The pressure in the supply system must not exceed 16 Bar."
Don't know what the pressure for natural gas stationary system is, i don't have it.
Planning to get 2000 or 4000 model for myself.
Look and feels like a Champion Generator but for $1,300
Well it does do a lot more and is meant for the whole ECOFLOW ecosystem
The big drawback of this generator for me is how short the cable is that hooks to the DP. I would want my generator much further away.
I agree Larry it’s just to short. Good for rv groups but not so much for homes. Even then it should have another 5 feet regardless
Champion 4500w duel fuel is much better,heavier though.on the Champion it has a connect for the rv,there you have it Champion is better in many ways
The champion is a great unit but this is different and does things the champion can’t. This is really meant to compliment the ecoflow products
zero reasons not to use a quality full synthetic like amsoil in this case. a few dollars more to get max engine protection is 100% worth it
Love Amsoil !!! 😀👍🏼
@@larrybutler5085 lots of information about it, believe whatever you want
@LarryButler Not correct at all, sorry Larry.
Does the generator start running when it’s own starting battery comes below a certain voltage?
Unfortunately not ghost rider…😕
Since there is only one speed, how much propane does it use in 1 hour? How much gasoline does it use in 1 hour?
Well it does have a eco mode to control throttle up and down depending on load. But it revs sooner then others.
But a tank of fuel says it will provide about 5.4kw of power for the delta pro.
And a 20 pound bottle about 20kwh of power to the delta pro or the extra batteries coupled to it.
@@johnnysweekends so I did a little math. The generator fuel tank is 1 gallon. My local gas price is $3.75 per gallon. If one tank equals 5.4kwh, then it cost $0.69 per 1kwh
Propane costs about $23 per 20 LB tank over here. That tank procures 20kwh. Do about $1.15 per 1kWh.
So propane is about ~60% more expensive compared to gasoline per 1 kWh
Local prices may vary. But gasoline wins hands down
Yea around here gas is 5.09 ish and propane is about 3.85…
Propane wis on my side at the moment lol
@@johnnysweekends $3.85 for a 20 LB tank? That’s crazy cheap
I'm an actual, Audio Engineer. And I can tell you this much..
Yes. I would imagine. You heard a slight difference. Between the older unit and the brand-new unit. Simply because. The brand-new unit is still tight. And the older unit has broken in. It's a little looser now. And you will hear these changes. From a new tight engine. To a looser broken in one. Of course.
Thinking about my retirement as a, Nomad. With my camper RV. Multiple electrical sources would be good. And so a handy generator makes sense. Beyond that of, battery, solar or even wind generation. When none of the conditions are right. And your battery is going flat. You need a reliable, sure bet, backup. Which requires the burning of some dead dinosaurs. That have been, filtered cooked and distilled. Making past dinosaurs kind of like, processed lunchmeat. Full of nasty stuff. Only your car or truck would want to eat. Because gasoline tastes terrible! I remember getting a mouthful of it. Back in the gas prices of the early 1970s. Yuck! And if I die from cancer? Will there be any wonder? No. No you should not gargle with gasoline. When you're trying to make the siphon work. And I sucked too hard. Nearly 50 years ago. And not dead yet. Not quite yet.
Gasoline the Breakfast of Champions! And makes for explosive Fart's.
RemyRAD
lol good analogy.
Yea the little Honda generators work so go old and even off brands are doing really well it’s probably time to let my eu3000is go.
It’s big and under powered really. Would rather just get another eu2200i.
The eu3000 unfortunately is now about obsolete. They are tanks but just to heavy
520₽(8,6$) стоит 40 кг газа для машин в России🤗👍🥱
Nice product, but with 5000 RPM, you better change the oil every few hours. I'd be amazed if you can get over 1000 hours life out of it.
Several have over a 1000!…😳
I give you permission to breathe between sentenses!
lol so…much…info ….to …get…out!
But yea my videos have changed alot
For $1600 bucks I would expect it to be higher wattage and have a 30 amp plug on it, I mean that is a lot of money to run a lamp or charge a cell phone...lol 1800 watts will run a small drill or something but you are not going to be able to run a vacuum or a circular saw because they draw too many amps.
Well this isn’t really meant to be a stand alone generator. This is meant to compliment the ECOFLOW ecosystem and does things other generators can’t do.
It’s pretty cool.
Жаль только, что эта штука стоит как несколько лет работы в Украине.
Wow didn’t know it was so much there.
Hope things are getting better in the UK !
@@johnnysweekends Unfortunately, it will only get worse. Ukraine will default in February 2023.
Wow that’s crazy! Sorry to hear.
Just stay with honda generator. Almost a year with power outages in puerto rico Honda never failed.
They are good but it doesn’t do what this does. It’s totally different.
And Honda has its own share of problems I belong to two groups and all the responses here and they have valve issues and more since they decided to go cheap on us.
Now they are normally still one of the best. But I think there best days are behind them.
And again this is totally different.
But I still own two Hondas
I'm not talking for a bull shit 2,3 hours power outages I'm talking 20 hours daily power outages for 11 months and counting. Ecoflow raptor generac and many other fail in real life. Hondas need oil and gas and that it. Thousands of people in PuertoRico can be witnessed the quality of hondas.
Ok that’s great but maybe you didn’t read my response fully. The Hondas are great. But it doesn’t do what this does!!!!
It’s totally different. This is part of the ECOFLOW ecosystem and it’s a little different in how it works.
But it also uses the predator engine which numerous reports of people on here with into the thousands of hours running daily and more.
But I think that’s the issues with any of them.
Just like a car on the highway could easily hit a million miles in 10 years if treated well and always used. Verses a vehicle that’s used rarely and sits most the time.
Again I own two Hondas a eu3000 and 2200i. But this is meant for something different.
Hope that clears some things up for you.
@@johnnysweekends I understand don't take me wrong, but real life experience no one has a better generator than honda so far. That is the truth. Here we are not camping we are living a unfortunately reality of lack of energy.
That I understand, it’s tough out there. And for sure, in those situations I would also be packing up my Honda as well, and my off grid set up would probably be different.
Obviously it changes for everyone depending on funding and more.
5000 rpms with so little oil, don't see it lasting in hot weather.
Well if it’s hot hopefully you can be dumping more solar in to the DP or which ever model but yea extreme conditions more frequent oil changes
When battery manufacturer realizing that propane/gas is better than solar battery packs. 😂
Well it’s to compliment the whole system really. Because they know the sun doesn’t always shine when it’s raining for a few days. But it is a cool option to add to the whole system.
Battery banks are nice when camping especially if your campground don’t allow generators to run all night. Run the generator to charge them up and run all night on battery. Any battery bank like these are far superior to run an rv overnight then your usual deep cycle lead battery
Yea it’s now getting cost effective to where either a lithium battery is now better and reasonable price or a drop and go power station.
It’s getting easy lol
And much cheaper. Fortune to get the same watt capacity with batteries/solar as even a small Generator. And the weight difference is insane too. Solar/batts are silent however. Huge benefit.
Yea a battery bank that’s a decent can really do wonders now but still have to be able to recharge it. And if it’s really cloudy for a week, well then it’s back to petroleum and coal type energy 😂👍🏼
Hmm spot the difference pictures do have a purpose
Hmm what are we talking about?
This is not new! I have had a TRIPLE FUEL GENERATOR for 3 years and it has a PERFECT track record!
That’s good glad it’s working great.
Although it is new. The generator that is.
@Larry Butler really? Mine uses, gasoline, natural gas or propane. I don’t use much cooking oil so that won’t help and motor oil is expensive even if it is used!
Nice generator but the $1,600 price tag for a peak 1800 and running 1600 watt generator is very steep.
It’s expensive because it goes with the ECOFLOW products mainly. Being that it can start and stop on its own with no assistance.
But agree a pinch steep. But your paying for the tech more then the power.
a good review would show this in actual [realtime] use......just sayin'....
As you wish….ECOFLOW Delta Pro and Smart Generator Real World Experience!
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Haha no friggin way I would pay what they are asking for that when there are equal quality dual fuel chanmars for less than half the price. For that price they should have put a real mz80 but then they would probably want 3k for it
Well I don’t think you know what this does. It’s really meant for ECOFLOW products and the eco system they are building. Not meant to just be a one off unit if you don’t own any of it.
@@johnnysweekends I personally wouldn't own any of it. For pennies on the dollar you could make your own system. I get that it is a nice self contained system with a nice UI but expensive for what you get.
Agree. For people who want plug and play this is all pretty simple stuff. But you can go a lot cheaper and have the same capabilities and capacity. You could build your own battery system or even do a server rack battery set up which is kinda in a the middle but really simple now to set up. If you don’t need portable but want simple that’s what I tell people to go with. SOK or eg4 has a nice selection.
Why not just buy a battery generator??
Generators are still to loud .. If we were in a apocalyptic state I wouldn't use one of those because people would kill you for it or whatever supplies you have..
This is to compliment the whole ecoflow system. And battery generators or power stations really because they are just storage devices do not last long enough at times for what you are doing. So this can charge the system up automatically and shut off when needed. It’s fully automated. It’s pretty cool for sure!
There not gold.
But they are cool.