The final scene of Joel finding a traumatised Ellie was the fist they shot for this episode. Being able to pull a performance like that out of her back pocket proves that the casting director actually did know more then those angry internet people when he cast Bella Ramsey.
In my opinion James and the other guys weren't about to kill Ellie to take revenge for their dead friend. Killing Joel would've been probably enough justice on that front. I'm pretty sure, judging by the looks they give each other once David interrupts them, that it was more of a "mercy" killing. They probably know about his urges.
Yeah. James didn’t even care if they killed her or not. He said they could even let her go. He didn’t want David to get his disgusting hands on her for “other” purposes
As many times as I've played this game and watched this show, that hadn't ever crossed my mind! Thank you for this, it makes me not hate James as much lol
James showed his displeasure with David letting her go when James had the drop on her. He knew that she didn't kill his friend Alec, but she was with Joel and that made her just as guilty as far as he was concerned. Troy Baker said that James didn't like what he has become but was even more worried about being on the wrong side of David. He would rather be the second in command to David than to challenge his leadership. James and the other guys were the ones who were with Alec when Joel killed him, and Ellie shot at them as they got away. She had just shot at them for a second time so their desire to kill her had nothing to do with saving her from David. They wanted her dead because of Alec, because she in their minds had tried to shoot and kill them twice, because letting David have her would add another mouth to feed and in James's case, he recognized that David wanted her to be his second in command and threatened his position. Also, they are the few who knew about the cannibalism and weren't about to pass up on adding her to their store of meat. Winter lasts a long time where they were, and game was scarce and hard to come by.
Scott Shepherd who played David played an an equally scary character in True Detective Season 3. Only that character was a slimy private security guard who was a former cop.
Notice how they always speak in code and that's why he had to tell James it's not a code. Venison I think means child, Elk means man, and Rabbit means woman.
they somehow managed to make David worse in this version. and by that, i mean that they made him scarier. also, the actor who plays James in this version is the OG Joel. :D so, in a way; Ellie killed Joel. :P
And then Joel calls her "baby girl" which is what he called his daughter in episode 1 when she was hurt. After all of the insanity of the episode to end with that, broke me!
if im correct, both in the game and in the adaption, sarah is the ONLY other person joel called baby girl, it is not a name of endearment that is given out willy nilly.
Having played the game, my text to my friend was simply "They made David MORE of a piece of shit than he already was." You notice David didnt start eating until he made sure Hannah (the little girl who he bashed in the face) begun eating her father. And then he smirked at her while she ate. Episode further reinforces my immense distrust and dislike of religion as a concept. Its so twisted and manipulative on its own, after all, that's what it was created to be, and it lets people like David do everything they want to do while everyone else just sits around doing nothing to stop them.
I think with people like David, even if it wasn'y religion, he would still try and control and manipulate others. Not all religious people are like that.
@reva farley DIAPERS VP I didn't say anything about religious people. I said religion as a concept. I have Christian friends and family. My grandmothers help work for the church. My best friend and her husband are both Christians and so are their families, her family being people that treat me as a brother to her. I have worked with people who are Muslim and learned some of their beliefs and customs so we could accommodate them with a prayer room at work. I admittedly don't know many Jewish people but I do work for one. I've seen few men as dedicated to his family as him. I know there are good people out there who practice religion. I don't have a problem with them. I have a problem with the concept of religion. Significant difference.
@@kyledepaepe194 I umderstand. i am sorry for my misunderstanding. When you had stated that religion as a concept lets people like david do what they want as well as saying that religion is twisted, my mind connected to that as people. I am sorry for my misunderstanding.
This episode got a bunch of criticism from fans of the game, but I think the actor who played David did a great job given the amount of screen time. Also cool to see Troy Baker, the OG Joel in it!
I am a fan of the game and I wouldn't criticize it People are just too nonsensically critical. "OH it's NOT 100% the same as the game so it's objectively worse" and other clown ass takes they have, failing to realize that it's an adaptation and not a recreation in a completely different medium
Hmm, can see other parts being picked apart more but this one seemed pretty spot on with the game so it’s curious seeing it got hate 🤔 think sometimes people don’t realize different mediums need to tell the story differently because of how you experience it 🤗
While you can be glad that she was able to save herself, no parent would want their child to have the need to be that violent. Sorry about all of the comments but there is just way too much to unpack with this episode.
The most unexpected sad thing about this episode is that the other dozen people that Joe-ellie left will probably die of hunger ? And even before that they will discover all the corpse (fresh ones or ancient ones). At the dinner scene, we saw women, childrens,i think i've even heard a baby. And sadly Ellie and Joel surely murdered all the men that could kill and hunt for food ... Also, there's a pretty high chance that these men had familes
They were going to kill Joel after he had already been attacked and badly wounded by them. Insanity to leave attackers to do it again. The men should have considered it not Joel or Ellie.
Basically, what you're saying is women aren't capable of hunting for food? New flash- women are certainly capable of hunting and killing if need be. Also, women do NOT need men in order to survive. Ellie is a perfect example of that. And yes, I am a man.
@@runninginharran Yes if they're not trained to survive, hunt and killing whatever your sexuality or your age. Unlike Ellie who was born lucky in that aspect. The episode represent David as the leader and the savior of all these people.Like from what we saw before Ellie and Joel kill everyone, it seems that they're just listening and following his directive and his decisions without any resistance like sheeps. Heck he bitchslapped a poor little girl and the mother was like : "Eh this is totally normal as David say so" .Maybe he didn't authorize any other people to be trained at hunting and killing. While David was searching for food or for Joel, there wasn't any woman in his group. The fact we don't see any woman that doesn't just cook and take care of childrens give me this general impression.Now that David is dead someone will take the lead, surely a woman because all the other man are old people. But with how rare animals are rare during winter. Idk if they'll manage to properly survive without big losses
The final scene of Joel finding a traumatised Ellie was the fist they shot for this episode. Being able to pull a performance like that out of her back pocket proves that the casting director actually did know more then those angry internet people when he cast Bella Ramsey.
Troy Baker (The Voice of Joel) who portrayed James, was such a great addition to this episode! Looking forward to the next episode reaction! :)
It’s cool they gave the voice actors roles in this 🙂
In my opinion James and the other guys weren't about to kill Ellie to take revenge for their dead friend. Killing Joel would've been probably enough justice on that front. I'm pretty sure, judging by the looks they give each other once David interrupts them, that it was more of a "mercy" killing. They probably know about his urges.
Either that, or they wanted her for food and knew David would wanna keep her alive for himself.
Yeah. James didn’t even care if they killed her or not. He said they could even let her go. He didn’t want David to get his disgusting hands on her for “other” purposes
As many times as I've played this game and watched this show, that hadn't ever crossed my mind! Thank you for this, it makes me not hate James as much lol
@@jubilantsleep i think he really just didn’t want an extra mouth to feed since they were already starving.
James showed his displeasure with David letting her go when James had the drop on her. He knew that she didn't kill his friend Alec, but she was with Joel and that made her just as guilty as far as he was concerned. Troy Baker said that James didn't like what he has become but was even more worried about being on the wrong side of David. He would rather be the second in command to David than to challenge his leadership. James and the other guys were the ones who were with Alec when Joel killed him, and Ellie shot at them as they got away. She had just shot at them for a second time so their desire to kill her had nothing to do with saving her from David. They wanted her dead because of Alec, because she in their minds had tried to shoot and kill them twice, because letting David have her would add another mouth to feed and in James's case, he recognized that David wanted her to be his second in command and threatened his position. Also, they are the few who knew about the cannibalism and weren't about to pass up on adding her to their store of meat. Winter lasts a long time where they were, and game was scarce and hard to come by.
The way they are leaning on each other physically and emotionally at the end of the episode is a fantastic scene and acting.
16:51 call back to The Last Airbender "Sokka, sneak attacks don't work if you yell them out loud."
Scott Shepherd who played David played an an equally scary character in True Detective Season 3. Only that character was a slimy private security guard who was a former cop.
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The second in command guy was Troy Baker, the voice actor for Joel.
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Notice how they always speak in code and that's why he had to tell James it's not a code. Venison I think means child, Elk means man, and Rabbit means woman.
People are the true monsters of this world.
Usually how it goes unfortunately 😢
Mental note: Don't mess with Ellie. That goes for both Ellie and Joel!
unless you're Abby.
Bethany's comment about chess suggests you might enjoy the Queen's Gambit. Great show, and a short, easy run.
We’ve seen it and really enjoyed it 😀
My god, this episode terrified me. Evil preachers always give me the heebie jeebies
they somehow managed to make David worse in this version. and by that, i mean that they made him scarier. also, the actor who plays James in this version is the OG Joel. :D so, in a way; Ellie killed Joel. :P
Yeah David was way creepier in this version 😱
While Pedro Pascal's acting was superb as ever, surely the stand out acting was from Bella Ramsey? The girl deserves an Emmy for sure!
And then Joel calls her "baby girl" which is what he called his daughter in episode 1 when she was hurt. After all of the insanity of the episode to end with that, broke me!
if im correct, both in the game and in the adaption, sarah is the ONLY other person joel called baby girl, it is not a name of endearment that is given out willy nilly.
@@randomcourier I agree. I took this to mean that even though she could never replace Sarah, that Ellie has become a daughter to Joel.
Yeah the baby girl really hit hard 😭
I loled when you called James a waste of space because that's Troy Baker, video game Joel.
Well the actor was good haha, but the guy he was portraying was a waste of space 😜
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitive2 lol for sure.
Yeah I gotta give it to Scott Shepherd because he really went for it and did a good job in my opinion
Yup
11:58 People tend to forget that Joel is a military vet. So, he's probably seen Hell before the outbreak.
I thought that was Tommy
Joel was never in the military; he worked in construction. Tommy is the military vet.
James is the voice actor that plays Joel in the game.
Troy Baker
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Having played the game, my text to my friend was simply "They made David MORE of a piece of shit than he already was."
You notice David didnt start eating until he made sure Hannah (the little girl who he bashed in the face) begun eating her father. And then he smirked at her while she ate.
Episode further reinforces my immense distrust and dislike of religion as a concept. Its so twisted and manipulative on its own, after all, that's what it was created to be, and it lets people like David do everything they want to do while everyone else just sits around doing nothing to stop them.
I think with people like David, even if it wasn'y religion, he would still try and control and manipulate others. Not all religious people are like that.
@reva farley DIAPERS VP I didn't say anything about religious people. I said religion as a concept. I have Christian friends and family. My grandmothers help work for the church. My best friend and her husband are both Christians and so are their families, her family being people that treat me as a brother to her. I have worked with people who are Muslim and learned some of their beliefs and customs so we could accommodate them with a prayer room at work. I admittedly don't know many Jewish people but I do work for one. I've seen few men as dedicated to his family as him.
I know there are good people out there who practice religion. I don't have a problem with them. I have a problem with the concept of religion. Significant difference.
@@kyledepaepe194 I umderstand. i am sorry for my misunderstanding. When you had stated that religion as a concept lets people like david do what they want as well as saying that religion is twisted, my mind connected to that as people. I am sorry for my misunderstanding.
That actor reminded me freaking Homeowners from the Boys so much,they both did best work as sick .....fkers
This episode got a bunch of criticism from fans of the game, but I think the actor who played David did a great job given the amount of screen time. Also cool to see Troy Baker, the OG Joel in it!
I am a fan of the game and I wouldn't criticize it
People are just too nonsensically critical. "OH it's NOT 100% the same as the game so it's objectively worse" and other clown ass takes they have, failing to realize that it's an adaptation and not a recreation in a completely different medium
Fan of the game and can say that they did a great job with this version of david.
Hmm, can see other parts being picked apart more but this one seemed pretty spot on with the game so it’s curious seeing it got hate 🤔 think sometimes people don’t realize different mediums need to tell the story differently because of how you experience it 🤗
While you can be glad that she was able to save herself, no parent would want their child to have the need to be that violent. Sorry about all of the comments but there is just way too much to unpack with this episode.
Oh for sure. Traumatic event all around. Sucks that she was out in that position 😭 but at the same time it shows how much of a survivor Ellie is
Ken reminds me of Steve Carrol
The most unexpected sad thing about this episode is that the other dozen people that Joe-ellie left will probably die of hunger ? And even before that they will discover all the corpse (fresh ones or ancient ones). At the dinner scene, we saw women, childrens,i think i've even heard a baby. And sadly Ellie and Joel surely murdered all the men that could kill and hunt for food ... Also, there's a pretty high chance that these men had familes
As Joel says in the game: "everyone has a family"
It doesn't matter which side you're on in a war, there are always families torn apart 😥
They were going to kill Joel after he had already been attacked and badly wounded by them. Insanity to leave attackers to do it again. The men should have considered it not Joel or Ellie.
Basically, what you're saying is women aren't capable of hunting for food? New flash- women are certainly capable of hunting and killing if need be. Also, women do NOT need men in order to survive. Ellie is a perfect example of that. And yes, I am a man.
@@runninginharran Yes if they're not trained to survive, hunt and killing whatever your sexuality or your age. Unlike Ellie who was born lucky in that aspect. The episode represent David as the leader and the savior of all these people.Like from what we saw before Ellie and Joel kill everyone, it seems that they're just listening and following his directive and his decisions without any resistance like sheeps. Heck he bitchslapped a poor little girl and the mother was like : "Eh this is totally normal as David say so" .Maybe he didn't authorize any other people to be trained at hunting and killing. While David was searching for food or for Joel, there wasn't any woman in his group. The fact we don't see any woman that doesn't just cook and take care of childrens give me this general impression.Now that David is dead someone will take the lead, surely a woman because all the other man are old people. But with how rare animals are rare during winter. Idk if they'll manage to properly survive without big losses
Sooo brutal 😱
Don't forget about the death battle Iron Man vs Lex Luthor and real quick could you react to Sergeant ducky spicy bag please it's very funny
ya'll look like mia sorvino and american psycho Cristian bale.