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There was one change from the game that was kind of weird... in the game, joel finds ellie attacking david (just like in the show) at the end and has to stop her... she just keeps hacking... they don't meet up outside. It just had a different effect... Oh and the rest of the people in the group... in the game you play that part as joel and take them all out as you work your way to where david and ellie are.
This was easily the scariest episode. As a woman, the idea of the apocalypse isn’t scary because of zombies or monsters or infected- it’s scary because of men like David
I bet you are one of those women that choose to get eaten by bears rather than face the possibility of surviving with a man. Do us all a favor and go pet the bear to hasten the results. Also, don't live stream it. The more women that go pet wild bears the better. If you are dumb enough to trust a bear over a human, you deserve what comes after.
The things they added that made this so much creepier: Joel only killed one guy before this episode, but they had three bodies. Those bands of people David sent out were hunting people. Then there's the horrifying smile as he feeds that girl her father without her knowing, like he got off on it. And then worst of all: he used to be a teacher....
I was starting to think that finally, here was an episode I actually wouldn't cry. Then Joel hit us with "Baby girl" and I balled my eyes out. Damn you The Last of Us!
The "venison" scene is so good. After hearing how theyre low on food, guy comes out with a tray of fresh meat, and you're thinking "guess they already processed the deer." But then David walks in with the deer, and you start to realize somethings up.
I never played the game and I figured they were cannibals in the first couple of minutes when Dave looked at Troy’s character when the girl asked about burying her father
This is honestly the scariest episode so far to me because David is 100x scarier than any infected could ever be. Because the infected aren’t actually real but David’s exist all over the globe in every corner of the world people like David exist. David is very real threat probably the realest Ellie has faced so far.
Um.. though in this iteration of the zombie trope, people retain consciousness as they turn into fungi and have to feel constant horrible agony and witness their own body killing people and then waiting for months in walls or walking aimlessly, so... I don't know which is scarier to me : this fate or David.
That's why I love this. We have the fear of the infected but you can kind of anticipate and plan for that. People are a whole other thing and they can be so unpredictable so that just makes them so much scarier
Exactly. To throw it back to another movie series they watched, this is why most people hated Delores Umbridge or Snape more than Voldemort - a terrorist with a grudge is waaay less common than a bully teacher that hates your guts
Just wanted to add: The addition of the little girl in the storyline was hard to watch when you know what kind of person David is. Every touch, every action toward her, and every word spoken to her was laced with creepiness! And the mom, just walking away and letting him do it. The level of creep was top tier.
As a girl, 14 years old is round about the time most of us are first cat called, followed home from school or worse & we become aware that kind of violence exists for the first time so watching Ellie go through that was devastating 😢 at the same time watching her save herself was extremely cathartic. But regardless you can tell that she’ll never be quite the same again after this.
As a woman... you just feel her pain and grief for her innocence in such a disorienting way. It felt real, and my heart breaks for Ellie. You root for her to kill David, but at the end of the day even after she won, she's still so broken.
For real, I was 13 when I realized how unsafe this world can be. There was a creep in my neighborhood that thank God never did anything to me but one day he creeped the hell out of me. It was traumatic. I’m 24 now & that day still freaks me out. So Ellie’s reaction felt so real 😭 and we need more parents like Joel to be a safe person to confide in. Honestly, I think that’s why so many people have fallen in love with his character. He’s that father figure.
You're absolutely right. That's the age where you're forced to let go of your naivety. You start to understand or are betrayed by the boys you've grown up with and suddenly they want to hang out for different reasons. That cat calling starts. You're just starting to learn that you can't trust people. It's a hard lesson.
the trauma in ellie’s scream when she thinks joel is another one of those men... ugh i thought i’d be able to go ONE episode without crying but they prove me wrong every week 😭
The last minute was horrific. Ellie's scream and whimper when David was on top of her was heart wrenching for me and yes, when Joel grabs Ellie from behind, her scream sounded like pure terror. She was so traumatized at that moment that when she realizes it is Joel, she could barely speak coherently as she hugged him. Ugh!!!
I'm glad that you guys referenced your perspective as parents when mentioning what happened to Ellie. Nobody else has mentioned that perspective in their reactions.
i agree! i remember reading this reddit post titled creepy facts about human nature and one that will always stick out to me is “everyone is capable of extreme evil if given the right circumstances”. i flinched when i saw joel torture those men but then i immediately thought my father would absolutely do the same for me if in that position.
@@thundercat602 i'm 19, and when i first played the game i was a little younger than ellie. i saw a lot of controversy online abt joel's decisions, so i asked my dad - he told me that if i was in ellie's position, he'd do everything joel did without a second of hesitation. i think any parent worth their salt would be willing to do that for their kid.
@@thundercat602 Yeah exactly, reminds me of Joseph Conrad's work heart of darkness. "Never assume you are moral, assume you are just afraid of the consequences" and that what keeps our madness dormant
That's one of the things I appreciate about this channel. Most of the others I follow on YT happen to be younger. These guys bring an almost paternalistic perspective to it due to more life experience to draw from and families/responsibilities of their own.
The visceral shift from cheering Ellie on in the fire to realizing how young she really is in Joel's arms, my heart soared and broke for her, poor baby.
That lady cooked her husband and fed it to their daughter.😳😳 TAINTED MEAT!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 I'm so sad this is ending, it just flew by. Happy to share the ride with y'all, let's gooooo!!!!😘
One thing that creeped me out was that David had such a bigger plate of food than any other member of the town. Not only did this make me think he was selfish but when you find out about the cannibal twist it made me even more creeped out than when he already was creeping me out
OMG. Thank you. Nobody else has mentioned this. I totally noticed that right away too. People were desperately scraping their bowls and he had like a Sunday dinner. That was the moment I was like "Oh, yup. He's totally evil!"
While I don't think you're wrong persay. A point to consider is that especially in a survival situation like this, it's a good survival strategy that those of the group who are the hunters actually get a larger share of the food. If they don't have enough energy to hunt effectively the entire group dies.
@@Nomadic813it would be different if we saw other people with that portion of food. it was only david. it has nothing to do with being a hunter or troy baker’s character would have that much too
As a woman myself that end part really got to me cause she was fighting for life and then a beacon of light, joel...the father figure came to rescue her emotionally. So many women have had to do what she did, fight so hard against a predator/abuser and I couldn't help but think about those ppl who have had to be pit in that situation. It just gets my heart man
(Disclaimer: Just so you know my perspective, I haven't played the game.) As relieved as I was that Ellie had gained the upper hand and killed David, I was also absolutely devastated for her in that moment. Any innocence she still had was destroyed by what David did and attempted to do to her and by the fact that he forced her to hack him to death to avoid it. Ellie just lost a part of herself and will be forever changed and traumatised by these events. That guy was a monster. Joel, on the other hand, is an absolute weapon. The way he arose from his death bed and took out the men left behind to search for him, despite being wounded and nowhere near fully fit, was quite simply epic. As for that interrogation scene.... well, let's just say he wasn't messing around. I totally expected that Joel would burst in at the last minute to save Ellie, but I'm so glad they actually had Ellie save herself. She went beast mode. She's a true survivor. She is Joel's daughter. Can't fault this episode. Can't wait for the finale. P.S. If someone feels the need to tell you how good they are it's probably because they've shown you otherwise and as the old saying goes, "judge people by what they do, not what they say."
As a woman who has had to deal with the sad fact that this is what just about all girls have to go through at some point...I am so glad they let Ellie kill him herself. How cathartic it would feel.
tracks, David wanted ellie to create tracks that they could use to find Joel. if im a cannibal i wouldnt care about some bad meat on a whole meal, just cut it off and youre good to go :)
Noticed, in the "meal scene", how everyone has an almost empty bol of food and the forks make noise scrapping the plates, but David's bowl is so full, almost overlflowed, he's picking the pieces of meat he's going to eat.
When David asked James how much (meat) they had left, he answered with "Venison, Elk, Rabbit." There were three bodies in that cold room, they'd given them code names.
1. Bella deserves an Emmy. She was incredible!!! 2. I didn’t get this until my second watch, but after David slaps the girl he sits to watch her eat, and she is presumably eating her father. So creepy and even more sinister. 3. I sobbed at that ending!
I read that bella's voice in that scene where she yells at them for the deer, it was -17 while filming and she was just cold. Apparently that's why she sounded "older". ...now I live in Canada and I hate the cold. Props to them for filming in that AND THE BABY GIRL AT THE END... MY HEART
I was somewhat sad when you guys didn't upload the reaction yesterday but now knowing the Oak was working and he came straight from the airport wow, thank you so much for giving us all of this effort. Amazing episode, I was blown away by Bella here and by how Joel didn't waste any time to get Ellie back. Also, that scene at the end whe she killed David, wow, the way she kept hitting him was shocking. In a way, it makes me worry about Ellie and her mental health after this :(
Yeah .. this whole episode had great tension. David's character was very creepy and he was incredibly honest (for the most part) which is something most antagonist aren't. That ending was more emotional than anticipated.
It's okay, baby girl And just like that, the tears came :') Also, Joel going savage mode was such a treat to see in live action, really hoped they'd nail that scene and they did
Joel and Ellie’s bond makes my heart swell so much. He was willing to do anything to find and protect her, and she found comfort and safety with him. They’re both skilled and look out for each other. Who doesn’t want a close knit relationship like that, total trust and love.
Once you understand their code it becomes way more chilling. Another commenter on a different reaction said “deer” may refer to people they could attack and eat. Venison is adult men Elk are adult women Rabbit is children The inner circle speaks in code so often David even has to tell James he actually wants James to bring the medicine no alternative meaning. But it really makes sense why those four men at the campus tried to ambush and attack Joel and Ellie right away. Yes they went for supplies, it was a food run, but not regular food.
Such a great episode! David managed to get creepier, RIP James (thank you Troy Baker), and I shed a tear or two when Joel finally said baby girl 🥹 can’t wait to watch your reactions!
Two things I would like to add one when they went into Kansas City and Joel knew that it was a trap because he had used it before, here he used a wounded man to bring someone else in to a trap and capture them both. And then the ruthlessness of his torture to the guy only emphasizes about what they have been talking about throughout the series about what the things they have done in the past.
Infected running around everywhere, and the Davids of the world are still the biggest monsters. That scene where he is talking to Ellie in the cage was so incredibly disgusting if you're familiar with predatory grooming tactics. He opens by telling her he's protecting her from everyone so she's indebted to him, that she's special, that they're connected, that she's his equal, that she's stronger and smarter than everyone else, that they'll be a team, that she won't be alone. I spent the entire scene wondering how many children he hurt even before the outbreak. Very well done episode.
The "funny" part about this episode is that in a way, David got exactly what he wished for: another violent heart to interact with. Ellie is a little ball of pure violence on a good day, and this definitely was not a good day for her. Unfortunately for David, sometimes the thing you wish for the most is the very thing that destroys you (or in his case, chops you into small pieces)...but so far, his character has been the one most deserving of getting 86'd. Love that they showed Joel going full-on Taken mode on the two guys he was interrogating, no remorse or even a pause from him. The need to save a child is a hell of a motivator, and they captured that beautifully in this episode.
Your reactions are sooooo better than any other channel. You don’t speak in between important scene/dialogue. Your interactions are minimum and genuine
In the game, they didn't say he was a preacher but they had the same banner hung in the steakhouse (when we are in need, he shall provide) and some of his dialogue had religious undertones.
You're right that David wasn't a preacher in the game. HOWEVER, apparently within the game's files, there are audio files with more voice lines for/from him indicating him being more religious and culty. I always love cut content from games and usually want it in more so than not, so it's really really cool to see them go and bring back an idea they had previously scrapped *years* ago for the game.
The best thing about this show, is that every single bit part actor plays the role exceptionally well. Adds so much when even the smallest role is done perfectly.
god knowing about the cannibalism actually made that whole eating scene nauseating. The heightend sounds and the desperate hunger of them shoveling food and David's smile as he watched... This episode was so effectively crafted, it did exactly what it needed to do
This episode shows us what Marlene meant when she said she knows what Joel is 'Capabale of'. Like they say in the podcast, even at 10% Joel is more dangerous than most people at 100%
This episode hit me so hard. I was raised in a cult religion, and the way David spoke and acted was so eerily like the men I was raised around is so similar. I wish all of the people got the justice Ellie had, but it's not the case because they hide it and protect predators. I cried so hard during this episode, and had to take a day off of work and talk to my therapist.
Also I’m so glad they included Joel’s interrogation scene! I was worried we won’t get it… but nope! They went for it and shows how brutal Joel can be, especially since they haven’t shown it as much in the show so far so this part hits even more with what we’ve been hearing.
So I guess the scene were Bella walks out the door and Joel finds her was shot before the scene with her killing David. That’s pretty amazing Bella can turn the emotions back on like that it’s not easy.
I think the absence of violence up until this point really made this episode so intense. The creators, Neil and Craig highlighted this is the episode about “depravity”, what. Truly happens to people when they’re at their wits end?! I really was heartbroken when I saw Ellie’s innocence leave her, and truly have this 14 year old over come by rage, desperation, and sadness. 💔
David could have been a preacher in the game...we just had no backstory so we had no choice idea. These backstories are one of the reasons I'm loving this series.
They definitely changed a few things to set up for up coming events. 😬They made David even creepier then in the game which i really liked. Another solid episode. Ellie will never be that same after this. 😢💜
Ellie is all on board to get where she needs to be to try for the cure, but at what point does she ask if humans even deserve it? I would definitely be asking myself that question after this episode. This was brutal.
The Joel getting directions scene was so good and satisfying. Bella Ramsey was so good in this one. I like that I have no idea what they will do in a final episode. Ellie is going to have some serious trauma so curious to see how they will handle that.
Regarding Troy Baker: he is pretty much exclusively a voice actor, but that doesn't really tell the whole story. When you guys are done with the season, you should look up some of the behind the scenes stuff on the making of the game. He and the rest of the cast of TLOU aren't just in a sound booth recording lines, they're doing full motion capture and acting out the scenes. It's really impressive, and you can really see just how good Troy and Ashley Johnson are with their performances.
This episode was so intense to watch and Bella Ramsey did an incredible job on this one especially at the end. I had tears in my eyes.. Oak gagging when he found out about the cannibalism made me laugh so hard. These reactions are awesome. Love the channel! Keep it up 🎉
For me, this was the FASTEST hour of my life. Episode 1 and Episode 8 have been my favorite episodes so far. Episode 1 being an hour and 20ish minutes long. It felt like an hour and 20. Not in a bad way, it was never slow to me, but when the episode ended I was ready for it. Episode 8... When the screen cut black as they are walking away, I swear it had been 25-30 minutes. I thought it was gonna cut to a new scene, and then the credits happened and I screamed out loud, at my screen. I thought I had another whole half of an episode left. I had to double check the time stamp to make sure the episode wasn't 30 minutes long. When a show can do that for it, it's amazing. I am so sad there's only 1 episode left. But I can't wait for it. It needs to be 2 hours long I swear!
Bella Ramsey should get all the awards for this episode alone. I was absolutely blown away! I know you guys don’t watch the previews but you should check out the behind the scenes of the episode. I love the additional insights they give you into the characters that episode and in this one in particular, how traumatic this was for Ellie and how it’s something that will affect her for the rest of her life. Loving this show, don’t want the season to end.
I always find it funny when people say whatever post apocalypse movie/show they’re watching is the darkest thing they’ve ever seen, because that’s when you know they’ve never seen The Road. The Road is a movie you watch once and a book you read once. Great reaction!
22:57 I reacted to this as well and I also certainly fell for the cleaver being wooshed near Ellie's head. It was because I was preoccupied thinking about David's bite i.e. if Ellie can spread it that way. Definitely made me jump.
The show's version of David gives much more creepy vibes than the game. Bella Ramsey was amazing in this episode! Love that the watch is seen when Joel is comforting Ellie. Looking forward to the finale!
A tough episode but the one that made Ellie THE Ellie. I would say the best episode of the series for now (let's see how the finale is). Bella and Pedro are just killing it as Ellie and Joel and that last scene was just incredible, sad, yes, but incredible acting by both!
We saw Ellie in beast mode and We get to see video game Joel in full beast mode next week, this episode was just the start! Bella is absolutely fantastic in this episode to top off what she has done every previous episodes
One of the best episodes of TV I’ve ever seen. As a fan of the game I knew what was coming and this was still insanely intense and anxiety inducing. Bella has been AMAZING majority of this season and the last 3 episodes she’s almost carrying. Scott Shepherd is one of the better villains in TV and was only around for 50 minutes, insanely creepy and intimidating. Pedro FINALLY got to be the darker version of Joel again with the torture scene (glad they kept this in the adaptation) and has captured a whole different version of Joel i like almost as much as game Joel. I can’t believe Sunday is the end of this amazing season. A+’s all around
this is the part of the game i looked forward to being adapted to the screen the most. it put a lot of pressure on all the actors involved but especially bella and pedro were outstanding! loved seeing troy (joels actor in the games) on screen as well.
Some things I noticed: When David asked Ellie “Is that your dad’s gun?” she didn’t say “no he’s not”, like she previously would have. David commands his people to bring Ellie back alive, which really suggests his intentions. James and his crew go to kill Ellie anyway, I think as a mercy kill to spare her from the horrors that David had planned. 😢
First off, I"M SO HAPPY THEY BROUGHT TROY (game Joel) IN THE SHOW AS JAMES!!!! Secondly, the way David basically confirmed they were a cult without confirming they were a cult was done really well. And thirdly, I'm so glad they confirmed all the suspicions about what David was about to do to Ellie at the end of the fight. BUT...and hear me out... as fantastically well done this episode is, I do wish they hadn't changed Ellie and Joel's interaction at the end. Even though it was subtle, I prefered the game's version of Joel stopping Ellie while she was in the middle of hacking up David because he saw what she was capable of. And then she turned, sobbing to him about what David what about to do to her, and Joel understood WHY she did it. That was really powerful to me because it then strengthened that father/daughter relationship between them. Overall though, this was a great episode.
Both were great (Game and Show) Definitely understand where you are coming from. But this ending still hit the feels 🤘The Last episode is going to be unreal!
Great episode and reaction, was waiting for it!! I agree with Oak that we can understand Joel taking extreme measures to find his girl, but remember: he had already gotten the information out of those 2 guys and he decided to kill them anyway. That was Joel in pure beast & vengeance mode, doing way more than taking extreme measures to find Ellie.
You know what's a bit scary? I was on the same page with Joel and his interrogation. It was brutal, but needed to be done. Same for for putting them down afterwards, in the words of Rick Grimes on TWD S5E1, "They don't get to live." Not after what they've done and were still gonna do. As for David, he's pure evil, there's a special spot in Hell for he's done.
So the idea that the guys that attacked Joel lied to the leader when they came back, that wasn't it. The guys that went out were the only ones that knew the truth of the town. They were under orders to find meat... Any meat. That's why they attacked Joel to begin with, they wanted to eat him
That’s how u got that it was cannibalism so fast! I hadnt see any shows like this before, so that idea didnt cross my mind. Ive since watched the walking dead so now i could see that.
Watching this by myself being able to really immerse myself in the episode I was absolutely terrified and devasted seeing what Ellie had to go through. I couldn't really cheer her on at the end because I was so disgusted by what this human garbage put her through leaving her no choice other than going feral and saving herself. It left me real messed up. The part that's not monsters and made up shit always messes me up. Bella Ramsey acted the hell out of this one! I mean what the fuck... Trying to keep Joel alive, meeting the mayor of creepy town, getting a bit of hope with the penicillin, being hunted by Creeper McCreep and the cult gang, getting thrown off a horse, being caputed and caged, almost getting cut up to be the next meal and not knowing if Joel will survive if you don't get back. And to top it off being chosen as the next pet by pedo teacher-preacher who not only tries to kill you but then tries to rape you too while the place around you is in flames driving home the point that you are in actual hell right now. Being forced to kill this piece of shit hacking him up to make sure he can't hurt you more is the cherry on top of the trauma for life cake. Like... What even is left of you at this point? I mean same thing but different for Joel. The guy is probably being held together by nothing but the love for that girl wanting to keep her safe. "And God help any motherfuckers who stand in our way".
All these episodes have been bangers but this one right here was straight 🔥 Bella’s performance in this episode was amazing she knocked it out of the park. Getting to see a portion of Savage Joel he is definitely getting put next to Rick Grimes on my list. Even the actor who played David his performance was great I felt nothing but disgust and grossed out every time. Great reaction guys as always ❤
I love the scene with Joel and the two hostages. We've heard about how he used to be, and that people in Boston were scared of him, and we've seen he can handle himself... but this is the first time we actually see exactly how much he is not to be fucked with.
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There was one change from the game that was kind of weird... in the game, joel finds ellie attacking david (just like in the show) at the end and has to stop her... she just keeps hacking... they don't meet up outside. It just had a different effect... Oh and the rest of the people in the group... in the game you play that part as joel and take them all out as you work your way to where david and ellie are.
What's up with that quick little video cut, when Ellie shot the deer? Are we censoring firearms, hunting and/or something else now?
When I realized that they feed the little girl her dad 🤢
This was easily the scariest episode. As a woman, the idea of the apocalypse isn’t scary because of zombies or monsters or infected- it’s scary because of men like David
Absolutely I’ve already in this world had troubles of creepy guys and I could bearly watch this episode
Honestly, the world without the apocalypse is also scary because of men like David.
It's all scary but one exists in our world.
@@jenfineI wholeheartedly agree 😢
I bet you are one of those women that choose to get eaten by bears rather than face the possibility of surviving with a man.
Do us all a favor and go pet the bear to hasten the results. Also, don't live stream it. The more women that go pet wild bears the better. If you are dumb enough to trust a bear over a human, you deserve what comes after.
Mason: At first I thought they were cannibals
Us: 👀
The things they added that made this so much creepier: Joel only killed one guy before this episode, but they had three bodies. Those bands of people David sent out were hunting people. Then there's the horrifying smile as he feeds that girl her father without her knowing, like he got off on it. And then worst of all: he used to be a teacher....
Joel killed 5 people before this episode. Fedra guard, the people that ambushed them in kc, and the guy who stabbed him.
@@joshuajohnson1796 I think they mean Joel only killed one of David's group at the university
Not that weird , they attacked joel originally, so that’s what the other 2 bodies woulda been .. some unlucky people they attacked
The game is about stealth. Strangling/shiv is best move. Imho. This is staying true to game.
@@joshuajohnson1796 u fucking idiot he meant at the college. How Tf did u get that he meant for the entire season.
"It's okay baby girl" how hard did that hit y'all? I was sobbing. What an incredible moment
I was starting to think that finally, here was an episode I actually wouldn't cry. Then Joel hit us with "Baby girl" and I balled my eyes out. Damn you The Last of Us!
I don't care how many times I've seen it, my eyes still get wet when he says that.
Same😭@@BostonAmy
The "venison" scene is so good. After hearing how theyre low on food, guy comes out with a tray of fresh meat, and you're thinking "guess they already processed the deer." But then David walks in with the deer, and you start to realize somethings up.
I never played the game and I figured they were cannibals in the first couple of minutes when Dave looked at Troy’s character when the girl asked about burying her father
This is honestly the scariest episode so far to me because David is 100x scarier than any infected could ever be. Because the infected aren’t actually real but David’s exist all over the globe in every corner of the world people like David exist. David is very real threat probably the realest Ellie has faced so far.
Um.. though in this iteration of the zombie trope, people retain consciousness as they turn into fungi and have to feel constant horrible agony and witness their own body killing people and then waiting for months in walls or walking aimlessly, so... I don't know which is scarier to me : this fate or David.
A a guy named David I can confirm. I exist on the globe.
That's why I love this. We have the fear of the infected but you can kind of anticipate and plan for that. People are a whole other thing and they can be so unpredictable so that just makes them so much scarier
Exactly. To throw it back to another movie series they watched, this is why most people hated Delores Umbridge or Snape more than Voldemort - a terrorist with a grudge is waaay less common than a bully teacher that hates your guts
Exactly. The best (aka the "worst") type of villain.
Just wanted to add: The addition of the little girl in the storyline was hard to watch when you know what kind of person David is. Every touch, every action toward her, and every word spoken to her was laced with creepiness! And the mom, just walking away and letting him do it. The level of creep was top tier.
Agreed!
As a girl, 14 years old is round about the time most of us are first cat called, followed home from school or worse & we become aware that kind of violence exists for the first time so watching Ellie go through that was devastating 😢
at the same time watching her save herself was extremely cathartic. But regardless you can tell that she’ll never be quite the same again after this.
That last part! Like how do you go on...
As a woman... you just feel her pain and grief for her innocence in such a disorienting way. It felt real, and my heart breaks for Ellie. You root for her to kill David, but at the end of the day even after she won, she's still so broken.
For real, I was 13 when I realized how unsafe this world can be. There was a creep in my neighborhood that thank God never did anything to me but one day he creeped the hell out of me. It was traumatic. I’m 24 now & that day still freaks me out. So Ellie’s reaction felt so real 😭 and we need more parents like Joel to be a safe person to confide in. Honestly, I think that’s why so many people have fallen in love with his character. He’s that father figure.
You're absolutely right. That's the age where you're forced to let go of your naivety. You start to understand or are betrayed by the boys you've grown up with and suddenly they want to hang out for different reasons. That cat calling starts. You're just starting to learn that you can't trust people. It's a hard lesson.
Exactly right...I was 12 when I was first harassed. It is such shame that women STILL have to deal with this.
the trauma in ellie’s scream when she thinks joel is another one of those men... ugh i thought i’d be able to go ONE episode without crying but they prove me wrong every week 😭
The last minute was horrific. Ellie's scream and whimper when David was on top of her was heart wrenching for me and yes, when Joel grabs Ellie from behind, her scream sounded like pure terror. She was so traumatized at that moment that when she realizes it is Joel, she could barely speak coherently as she hugged him. Ugh!!!
The baby girl line gets me everytime
In the first episode, Joel calls Sarah baby girl, and then says it to ellie
Joel's barely stumbling around at like 5 percent of his full power and just tearing through fully armed men like they are made of paper mâché.
I'm glad that you guys referenced your perspective as parents when mentioning what happened to Ellie. Nobody else has mentioned that perspective in their reactions.
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i agree! i remember reading this reddit post titled creepy facts about human nature and one that will always stick out to me is “everyone is capable of extreme evil if given the right circumstances”. i flinched when i saw joel torture those men but then i immediately thought my father would absolutely do the same for me if in that position.
@@thundercat602 i'm 19, and when i first played the game i was a little younger than ellie. i saw a lot of controversy online abt joel's decisions, so i asked my dad - he told me that if i was in ellie's position, he'd do everything joel did without a second of hesitation. i think any parent worth their salt would be willing to do that for their kid.
@@thundercat602 Yeah exactly, reminds me of Joseph Conrad's work heart of darkness. "Never assume you are moral, assume you are just afraid of the consequences" and that what keeps our madness dormant
That's one of the things I appreciate about this channel. Most of the others I follow on YT happen to be younger. These guys bring an almost paternalistic perspective to it due to more life experience to draw from and families/responsibilities of their own.
Incredible episode. Bella is killing it. The baby girl at the end got me lol
It hit us in the feels too
the fact they had Troy Baker (voice of joel
from the game) play david’s right hand man is pretty cool
The visceral shift from cheering Ellie on in the fire to realizing how young she really is in Joel's arms, my heart soared and broke for her, poor baby.
Diamond Dave trying to keep it together and not spill the tea too early or react to the ~venison~ talk 😂
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That lady cooked her husband and fed it to their daughter.😳😳 TAINTED MEAT!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 I'm so sad this is ending, it just flew by. Happy to share the ride with y'all, let's gooooo!!!!😘
"can't go back Bob"
Bella has truly mastered the art of the horrified, desperate scream.
One thing that creeped me out was that David had such a bigger plate of food than any other member of the town. Not only did this make me think he was selfish but when you find out about the cannibal twist it made me even more creeped out than when he already was creeping me out
Yeah cause he wasnt "shamed" by what he did. Thats why he smiles as the girl eats her father
@@iamcool544I'll never unsee it now 🤢
OMG. Thank you. Nobody else has mentioned this. I totally noticed that right away too. People were desperately scraping their bowls and he had like a Sunday dinner. That was the moment I was like "Oh, yup. He's totally evil!"
While I don't think you're wrong persay. A point to consider is that especially in a survival situation like this, it's a good survival strategy that those of the group who are the hunters actually get a larger share of the food. If they don't have enough energy to hunt effectively the entire group dies.
@@Nomadic813it would be different if we saw other people with that portion of food. it was only david. it has nothing to do with being a hunter or troy baker’s character would have that much too
As a woman myself that end part really got to me cause she was fighting for life and then a beacon of light, joel...the father figure came to rescue her emotionally. So many women have had to do what she did, fight so hard against a predator/abuser and I couldn't help but think about those ppl who have had to be pit in that situation. It just gets my heart man
(Disclaimer: Just so you know my perspective, I haven't played the game.) As relieved as I was that Ellie had gained the upper hand and killed David, I was also absolutely devastated for her in that moment. Any innocence she still had was destroyed by what David did and attempted to do to her and by the fact that he forced her to hack him to death to avoid it. Ellie just lost a part of herself and will be forever changed and traumatised by these events. That guy was a monster.
Joel, on the other hand, is an absolute weapon. The way he arose from his death bed and took out the men left behind to search for him, despite being wounded and nowhere near fully fit, was quite simply epic. As for that interrogation scene.... well, let's just say he wasn't messing around. I totally expected that Joel would burst in at the last minute to save Ellie, but I'm so glad they actually had Ellie save herself. She went beast mode. She's a true survivor. She is Joel's daughter.
Can't fault this episode. Can't wait for the finale.
P.S. If someone feels the need to tell you how good they are it's probably because they've shown you otherwise and as the old saying goes, "judge people by what they do, not what they say."
Thank you for this. I'm surprised by how few people comment on the tragedy of that moment for Ellie. I was devastated for her.
Very well said. And agreed.
Yeah it was a hard scene to watch. Felt so bad for Ellie
As a woman who has had to deal with the sad fact that this is what just about all girls have to go through at some point...I am so glad they let Ellie kill him herself. How cathartic it would feel.
So good.. Bella went beyond in this one. I absolutely do not want this season to end!
Can't believe we are already to the finale!
too bad it ends with Tommy becoming gay and kissing Joel in front or Maria
oh shit i think that's the wrong website
@@MjkL1337haha funny joke. Shut up bro with your middle school ass humor
@@MjkL1337 ummmmmm
James and other David's henchmen were aware of how David was, that's why they tried to let Ellie go or killed her...for mercy.
Was looking for a comment of someone saying this! Such a cool detail that I didn’t even notice at first:)
On a different episode discussion for this episode, Troy talked about some of his thought processes for how James would act in some of the situations.
They discuss it in the podcast too. It’s hosted by Troy and has the show runners every week
I feel that the reason David allowed Ellie to get away to heal Joel was that it meant another infection-free adult for the menu Lol.
tracks, David wanted ellie to create tracks that they could use to find Joel.
if im a cannibal i wouldnt care about some bad meat on a whole meal, just cut it off and youre good to go :)
Oaks reaction at the very end looks like he just lived 10 lives. 😂😂😂
Noticed, in the "meal scene", how everyone has an almost empty bol of food and the forks make noise scrapping the plates, but David's bowl is so full, almost overlflowed, he's picking the pieces of meat he's going to eat.
Man when he said baby girl it made me tear up.
Troy/James wanted to let Ellie go, or maybe even kill her, it could be because he knew what David really was and what he is capable of doing.
When David asked James how much (meat) they had left, he answered with "Venison, Elk, Rabbit." There were three bodies in that cold room, they'd given them code names.
Ohhhhhh snap!!!!!! - Oak
I don’t watch award shows but Bella better get nominated for something. Great young actress
1. Bella deserves an Emmy. She was incredible!!!
2. I didn’t get this until my second watch, but after David slaps the girl he sits to watch her eat, and she is presumably eating her father. So creepy and even more sinister.
3. I sobbed at that ending!
I read that bella's voice in that scene where she yells at them for the deer, it was -17 while filming and she was just cold. Apparently that's why she sounded "older". ...now I live in Canada and I hate the cold. Props to them for filming in that
AND THE BABY GIRL AT THE END... MY HEART
I wonder if Joel understood what happened to her. She's never going to get over that. She's going to cary that weight for the rest of her life.
Venison - Adult Male
Elk - Adult Female
Rabbit - Child
These people are SIIIIIIICK (David and the ones who know at least)
I was somewhat sad when you guys didn't upload the reaction yesterday but now knowing the Oak was working and he came straight from the airport wow, thank you so much for giving us all of this effort. Amazing episode, I was blown away by Bella here and by how Joel didn't waste any time to get Ellie back. Also, that scene at the end whe she killed David, wow, the way she kept hitting him was shocking. In a way, it makes me worry about Ellie and her mental health after this :(
Yeah .. this whole episode had great tension. David's character was very creepy and he was incredibly honest (for the most part) which is something most antagonist aren't. That ending was more emotional than anticipated.
@@BaddMedicine true, we don't get many villains that are like that. And yes, the end got me with the "baby girl" Joel hadn't said for over 20 years
That torture scene with Joel there, is absolutely amazing and brutal 🔥
It's okay, baby girl
And just like that, the tears came :')
Also, Joel going savage mode was such a treat to see in live action, really hoped they'd nail that scene and they did
Joel and Ellie’s bond makes my heart swell so much. He was willing to do anything to find and protect her, and she found comfort and safety with him. They’re both skilled and look out for each other. Who doesn’t want a close knit relationship like that, total trust and love.
Once you understand their code it becomes way more chilling. Another commenter on a different reaction said “deer” may refer to people they could attack and eat.
Venison is adult men
Elk are adult women
Rabbit is children
The inner circle speaks in code so often David even has to tell James he actually wants James to bring the medicine no alternative meaning.
But it really makes sense why those four men at the campus tried to ambush and attack Joel and Ellie right away. Yes they went for supplies, it was a food run, but not regular food.
Such a great episode! David managed to get creepier, RIP James (thank you Troy Baker), and I shed a tear or two when Joel finally said baby girl 🥹 can’t wait to watch your reactions!
Man being scarier than monster is still my favourite horror trope. Brilliant episode.
Bella Ramsey did it again! She nailed it! What a brutal episode. Great reaction guys.
"It's okay baby girl" gets me every time
Two things I would like to add one when they went into Kansas City and Joel knew that it was a trap because he had used it before, here he used a wounded man to bring someone else in to a trap and capture them both. And then the ruthlessness of his torture to the guy only emphasizes about what they have been talking about throughout the series about what the things they have done in the past.
Infected running around everywhere, and the Davids of the world are still the biggest monsters. That scene where he is talking to Ellie in the cage was so incredibly disgusting if you're familiar with predatory grooming tactics. He opens by telling her he's protecting her from everyone so she's indebted to him, that she's special, that they're connected, that she's his equal, that she's stronger and smarter than everyone else, that they'll be a team, that she won't be alone. I spent the entire scene wondering how many children he hurt even before the outbreak. Very well done episode.
The "funny" part about this episode is that in a way, David got exactly what he wished for: another violent heart to interact with. Ellie is a little ball of pure violence on a good day, and this definitely was not a good day for her. Unfortunately for David, sometimes the thing you wish for the most is the very thing that destroys you (or in his case, chops you into small pieces)...but so far, his character has been the one most deserving of getting 86'd.
Love that they showed Joel going full-on Taken mode on the two guys he was interrogating, no remorse or even a pause from him. The need to save a child is a hell of a motivator, and they captured that beautifully in this episode.
Your reactions are sooooo better than any other channel. You don’t speak in between important scene/dialogue. Your interactions are minimum and genuine
That episode was perfect, two weeks ago we saw Pedro’s Emmy bid & in this episode we saw Bella’s.
In the game, they didn't say he was a preacher but they had the same banner hung in the steakhouse (when we are in need, he shall provide) and some of his dialogue had religious undertones.
Yes I was so emotional with Ellie fighting for her life with David! At the end I was close to tears when Joel called her his baby girl! 😢
I was highly anticipating that resort restaurant scene and they did not disappoint! Great episode and amazing acting by Bella Ramsey ❤
if you havent played the game... its one of the few games that get my heart pumping with adrenaline, its insane how awesome and complex the MP mode is
You're right that David wasn't a preacher in the game. HOWEVER, apparently within the game's files, there are audio files with more voice lines for/from him indicating him being more religious and culty. I always love cut content from games and usually want it in more so than not, so it's really really cool to see them go and bring back an idea they had previously scrapped *years* ago for the game.
The best thing about this show, is that every single bit part actor plays the role exceptionally well. Adds so much when even the smallest role is done perfectly.
god knowing about the cannibalism actually made that whole eating scene nauseating. The heightend sounds and the desperate hunger of them shoveling food and David's smile as he watched... This episode was so effectively crafted, it did exactly what it needed to do
The acting in this series from almost everyone is outstanding.
This episode shows us what Marlene meant when she said she knows what Joel is 'Capabale of'. Like they say in the podcast, even at 10% Joel is more dangerous than most people at 100%
This episode hit me so hard. I was raised in a cult religion, and the way David spoke and acted was so eerily like the men I was raised around is so similar. I wish all of the people got the justice Ellie had, but it's not the case because they hide it and protect predators. I cried so hard during this episode, and had to take a day off of work and talk to my therapist.
Also I’m so glad they included Joel’s interrogation scene! I was worried we won’t get it… but nope! They went for it and shows how brutal Joel can be, especially since they haven’t shown it as much in the show so far so this part hits even more with what we’ve been hearing.
So I guess the scene were Bella walks out the door and Joel finds her was shot before the scene with her killing David. That’s pretty amazing Bella can turn the emotions back on like that it’s not easy.
I think the absence of violence up until this point really made this episode so intense. The creators, Neil and Craig highlighted this is the episode about “depravity”, what. Truly happens to people when they’re at their wits end?!
I really was heartbroken when I saw Ellie’s innocence leave her, and truly have this 14 year old over come by rage, desperation, and sadness. 💔
David could have been a preacher in the game...we just had no backstory so we had no choice idea. These backstories are one of the reasons I'm loving this series.
They definitely changed a few things to set up for up coming events. 😬They made David even creepier then in the game which i really liked. Another solid episode. Ellie will never be that same after this. 😢💜
Ellie is all on board to get where she needs to be to try for the cure, but at what point does she ask if humans even deserve it? I would definitely be asking myself that question after this episode. This was brutal.
The Joel getting directions scene was so good and satisfying. Bella Ramsey was so good in this one. I like that I have no idea what they will do in a final episode. Ellie is going to have some serious trauma so curious to see how they will handle that.
Regarding Troy Baker: he is pretty much exclusively a voice actor, but that doesn't really tell the whole story. When you guys are done with the season, you should look up some of the behind the scenes stuff on the making of the game. He and the rest of the cast of TLOU aren't just in a sound booth recording lines, they're doing full motion capture and acting out the scenes. It's really impressive, and you can really see just how good Troy and Ashley Johnson are with their performances.
My favorite episode so far. The acting in this show is SO PHENOMENAL I can't even.
This episode was so intense to watch and Bella Ramsey did an incredible job on this one especially at the end. I had tears in my eyes..
Oak gagging when he found out about the cannibalism made me laugh so hard. These reactions are awesome. Love the channel! Keep it up 🎉
For me, this was the FASTEST hour of my life. Episode 1 and Episode 8 have been my favorite episodes so far. Episode 1 being an hour and 20ish minutes long. It felt like an hour and 20. Not in a bad way, it was never slow to me, but when the episode ended I was ready for it. Episode 8... When the screen cut black as they are walking away, I swear it had been 25-30 minutes. I thought it was gonna cut to a new scene, and then the credits happened and I screamed out loud, at my screen. I thought I had another whole half of an episode left. I had to double check the time stamp to make sure the episode wasn't 30 minutes long. When a show can do that for it, it's amazing. I am so sad there's only 1 episode left. But I can't wait for it. It needs to be 2 hours long I swear!
Bella is so amazing and nailed on her Ellie 👏
Bella Ramsey should get all the awards for this episode alone. I was absolutely blown away! I know you guys don’t watch the previews but you should check out the behind the scenes of the episode. I love the additional insights they give you into the characters that episode and in this one in particular, how traumatic this was for Ellie and how it’s something that will affect her for the rest of her life. Loving this show, don’t want the season to end.
I was really hoping they did that torture scene with the knife in the knee lol. And they did it! My favorite part of the episode.
I always find it funny when people say whatever post apocalypse movie/show they’re watching is the darkest thing they’ve ever seen, because that’s when you know they’ve never seen The Road. The Road is a movie you watch once and a book you read once.
Great reaction!
22:57 I reacted to this as well and I also certainly fell for the cleaver being wooshed near Ellie's head. It was because I was preoccupied thinking about David's bite i.e. if Ellie can spread it that way. Definitely made me jump.
The show's version of David gives much more creepy vibes than the game. Bella Ramsey was amazing in this episode! Love that the watch is seen when Joel is comforting Ellie. Looking forward to the finale!
Oh my god, just finished watching the episode and the last part got me crying so much.. poor Ellie man, that was traumatizing
A tough episode but the one that made Ellie THE Ellie. I would say the best episode of the series for now (let's see how the finale is). Bella and Pedro are just killing it as Ellie and Joel and that last scene was just incredible, sad, yes, but incredible acting by both!
What a great episode! Everyone’s acting was so good!!
We saw Ellie in beast mode and We get to see video game Joel in full beast mode next week, this episode was just the start! Bella is absolutely fantastic in this episode to top off what she has done every previous episodes
One of the best episodes of TV I’ve ever seen. As a fan of the game I knew what was coming and this was still insanely intense and anxiety inducing. Bella has been AMAZING majority of this season and the last 3 episodes she’s almost carrying. Scott Shepherd is one of the better villains in TV and was only around for 50 minutes, insanely creepy and intimidating. Pedro FINALLY got to be the darker version of Joel again with the torture scene (glad they kept this in the adaptation) and has captured a whole different version of Joel i like almost as much as game Joel. I can’t believe Sunday is the end of this amazing season. A+’s all around
You guys quickly became top 3 of my favorite reaction channels. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on this episode :D
this is the part of the game i looked forward to being adapted to the screen the most. it put a lot of pressure on all the actors involved but especially bella and pedro were outstanding! loved seeing troy (joels actor in the games) on screen as well.
Some things I noticed:
When David asked Ellie “Is that your dad’s gun?” she didn’t say “no he’s not”, like she previously would have. David commands his people to bring Ellie back alive, which really suggests his intentions. James and his crew go to kill Ellie anyway, I think as a mercy kill to spare her from the horrors that David had planned. 😢
I literally went “Awwww” when Ellie said “Drop your rifles! 😡”
Her delivery of that line is so adorable. Like my Yorkie trying to do the deep bark.
That ending really got me. What an awesome episode.
Even in the youtube edit, the "I got you baby girl" got me. Love this story.
That single “baby girl” at the end of the episode…. My poor heart 😭 lol
WHAT A SHOW !
Bruh.... That hit the feels! 🤜🤛
Just a small note: Troy Baker isn't just Joel's voice actor, he also did the physical mocap performance ^^ So he's accustom to just full on acting
I think Bella is going to win a bunch of prices because of this. Her acting is amazing!
First off, I"M SO HAPPY THEY BROUGHT TROY (game Joel) IN THE SHOW AS JAMES!!!! Secondly, the way David basically confirmed they were a cult without confirming they were a cult was done really well. And thirdly, I'm so glad they confirmed all the suspicions about what David was about to do to Ellie at the end of the fight. BUT...and hear me out... as fantastically well done this episode is, I do wish they hadn't changed Ellie and Joel's interaction at the end. Even though it was subtle, I prefered the game's version of Joel stopping Ellie while she was in the middle of hacking up David because he saw what she was capable of. And then she turned, sobbing to him about what David what about to do to her, and Joel understood WHY she did it. That was really powerful to me because it then strengthened that father/daughter relationship between them. Overall though, this was a great episode.
Both were great (Game and Show) Definitely understand where you are coming from. But this ending still hit the feels 🤘The Last episode is going to be unreal!
Great episode and reaction, was waiting for it!! I agree with Oak that we can understand Joel taking extreme measures to find his girl, but remember: he had already gotten the information out of those 2 guys and he decided to kill them anyway. That was Joel in pure beast & vengeance mode, doing way more than taking extreme measures to find Ellie.
You know what's a bit scary? I was on the same page with Joel and his interrogation. It was brutal, but needed to be done. Same for for putting them down afterwards, in the words of Rick Grimes on TWD S5E1, "They don't get to live." Not after what they've done and were still gonna do. As for David, he's pure evil, there's a special spot in Hell for he's done.
So the idea that the guys that attacked Joel lied to the leader when they came back, that wasn't it. The guys that went out were the only ones that knew the truth of the town. They were under orders to find meat... Any meat. That's why they attacked Joel to begin with, they wanted to eat him
That’s how u got that it was cannibalism so fast! I hadnt see any shows like this before, so that idea didnt cross my mind. Ive since watched the walking dead so now i could see that.
Felt super creepy when that David guy started touching Ellie's hand by the celll... Well deserved what he got!!!
Watching this by myself being able to really immerse myself in the episode I was absolutely terrified and devasted seeing what Ellie had to go through. I couldn't really cheer her on at the end because I was so disgusted by what this human garbage put her through leaving her no choice other than going feral and saving herself. It left me real messed up. The part that's not monsters and made up shit always messes me up. Bella Ramsey acted the hell out of this one!
I mean what the fuck... Trying to keep Joel alive, meeting the mayor of creepy town, getting a bit of hope with the penicillin, being hunted by Creeper McCreep and the cult gang, getting thrown off a horse, being caputed and caged, almost getting cut up to be the next meal and not knowing if Joel will survive if you don't get back. And to top it off being chosen as the next pet by pedo teacher-preacher who not only tries to kill you but then tries to rape you too while the place around you is in flames driving home the point that you are in actual hell right now.
Being forced to kill this piece of shit hacking him up to make sure he can't hurt you more is the cherry on top of the trauma for life cake. Like... What even is left of you at this point? I mean same thing but different for Joel. The guy is probably being held together by nothing but the love for that girl wanting to keep her safe. "And God help any motherfuckers who stand in our way".
Love that Quinn pegged them as being cannibals then backtracked then found out he was right haha
All these episodes have been bangers but this one right here was straight 🔥 Bella’s performance in this episode was amazing she knocked it out of the park. Getting to see a portion of Savage Joel he is definitely getting put next to Rick Grimes on my list. Even the actor who played David his performance was great I felt nothing but disgust and grossed out every time. Great reaction guys as always ❤
I love the scene with Joel and the two hostages. We've heard about how he used to be, and that people in Boston were scared of him, and we've seen he can handle himself... but this is the first time we actually see exactly how much he is not to be fucked with.