One tip to improve the utility of your vise: Because you properly designed your workbench with the outer facing pretty square all the way down, you can drill horizontal dogholes in the bracing beam and legs. Use doghole devices/clamps horizontally in combination with your vise to quickly support and secure large pieces against the vertical side of your bench, allowing you to work on the sides of long large pieces more easily.
This is a pretty solid little workbench. While once you figure out how it comes together, it is physically Easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxyFZUPFEey-PuqsPMxqaykBhgA1LWxFHh by yourself. But the diagrams explaining the steps are really pretty bad. I could not get the handle pins in all the way despite multiple attempts, so I just used a screw I had on hand for the 2nd handle. I could not get the first pin in further or pull it back out. You are supposed to hammer it in, but I had no leverage and the handle is plastic and I did not want to risk breaking it. I will get a lot of use out of the bench because of the convenient size and height. It does fold up nicely for storage. They even explain how to fold it so you don't get pinched...that is important!
What vice hardware are you using? I really enjoy your no BS approach and not trying to get your viewers to buy the latest stupid expensive tool (that was sent to you for free!!!). I agree with your common sense approach and insight, like building a work bench from soft wood to not damage your project, keep the cost down, and easily flatten the top.....what a concept!!! Well done, Sir.
Love your pace and how you explain what your doing. You mix just the right amount of technique with examples to keep my interest. You just got a new subscriber. I'm sure I can learn a lot from your.
First time finding your channel. And thanks to this one a new subscriber. I sort of knew about the jaw taper idea. The liner is an oldie. But the simple but masterful utility of a single pencil line blew me away ! ! ! ! Hobby wood worker here. Not just a YT viewing warrior. Nicely paced and filled video too. I hate the long drawn out videos of just making chips or shavings. I also hate the click bait where we need to watch (or skip) to the end to see what is going on. Thanks for bucking that trend ! ! ! This is the sort of video that I'll watch keenly the whole way through. WELL DONE!
Your personality, attention to detail has won this old man to subscribe. I really did enjoy this video. Now, make more video's for me to watch and get to know you more.
Got me on the vertical line, good idea for when it really matters, going to put a couple lines. Sounds like you need oil on vise where handle tee and threads go through front of vise. As old retired heavy equipment mechanic this is killing me.
Haha you are so right! When I was editing this one my ears were killing me, somehow never noticed it in the shop. I've put some white grease on the screw and tee washer and it's quiet and smooth now 😁
My old woodwork teacher To many years ago All ways said when holding tools “Three finger Fore finger Thumb Keep well in mind both hands behind “ (cutting edge you know Frank) He was a great guy His plane sounded just like yours Sharp !
Hugely underrated channel. You will have 100k in no time. You do great work, your video was one of the first I've finished in a while. The workbench video, here I am watching this one too. Subscribed.
Thank you so very much. This video was a tremendous amount of help for me and my issues I was having with my super cheap $20 vise. I can not thank you enough for sharing this video.
Another quick tip you can do with a vise jaw (perhaps not if you have beveled the top) is you can drill dogholes in the top face of your vise, if it is perfectly plane with your table surface. Then, just attach dogs on the table, and in the vise, square with the ones on the table, and now you have a clamp vise on the front like you have on the side that is flush with your surface. This is GREAT for quickly securing oddly-shaped items like circles while leaving the entire face of the item open, just stick it between the 4 dogs and close the vise
Thanks very much for sharing your experience and knowledge with all of us , your videos are a pleasure to watch and I learn something from every one you put out, great content looking forward to the next one I’m a subscriber!!
This is a very well made and super informative video. I am in the process of moving and will modify my workbench at the new location and will definitely include your tips. Thanks.
Thanks so much for your videos, well done and very informative. Noticed the ends of the visehandle, curious as to what exactly are they, look like rubber to me. I'm building a new workbench, I'll be Incorporating some of your ideas. Thanks again.
I would like to add some dog holes in the top of the jaw and also add a few more holes in line to the back of the tabletop to clamp wide boards securely.
Show casing the sawing skills with cuttin those bevels........ the first video I watched from you impressed me with how you handle a saw, saws are what gets the work done quickly; not many sawyers like you Frank.... huggin that line like its nobodys business!!! You were the first channel I ever subscribed to, based purely on how you handled a saw :) Im gonna use that line trick; so simple, so obvious, but my simple mind never thought of it heheh :P Thank you Sir! :) Always leaves a comment to help with the algorithms....... more people should know about you :) And as always..... it wouldnt be a Frank's Workbench video without the trick shot, thats your trademark now lad :P
Nice videos, I enjoy practicality of it, and, I really appreciate to use "human engine" and hand tools!! In many videos are very specialised tools/engines used, but a lot of things could be do with pure plane, saw, etc.. So please continue with your approach, especially people, who has not extra room/garage, and create in flatroom (silent tools without clouds of dust) very appreciate. Special question/kind request : how to solve a vice on portable workbench? I have made portable and foldable workbench (approx 5 cm thick) and would like to install vice.. But standard vice is heavy, and workbench became not portable.. Have you any advice/tip please? I am thinking about screwed rod hidden in bench.. But how to do it, if I do not have welding (rod to handle, etc..) please help. Many thanks and good luck!
A thought: instead of compensating for an off-center vise screw, why not reposition the jaw such that the clamping force is more centrally applied? That way, you eliminate the need to alter your jaw and adjust a laterally-angled initial contact. To clamp a piece on one end, add a matching-thickness spacer piece on the opposite end to balance out forces. Your technique to taper the jaw top-to bottom is exactly right!
yep, the lateral taper is more a factor of almost always clamping vert pieces on the right, eliminates need to toss an anti-racking scrap on the left side of the vise
Recently added some wooden jaws to a Yost face vice and QR vice on the old utility bench currently serving as my 'woodworking' bench. I went with doubled up 2x lumber, and then rounded over the corners (aka 'bullnose' profile) and a flat top instead of the wide chamfer. I got some automotive gasket material (aka 'crubber') from the local parts store, and put it on with some 3M 77 spray adhesive. Now I'm thinking I might have to peel the liner off and try that taper trick, as that's probably my #1 gripe with the vise(s) as they currently are - they rack a *lot*. Still hold fine, but they look weird when they rack like that. Do you feel the wide chamfer along the top gives you a little bit of extra room when sawing, so you don't end up gacking the top of the vise jaw? I've done that a couple times already :(
You could save yourself the work and keep a cutoff or a small block of 3/4" thick wood and toss it in the left side of the vise when you clamp down something on the right. Doesn't have to be exactly sized to the thickness of the wood you're working, as long as it's somewhat close it will help a lot with the racking. The top of my jaw has seen some saw teeth too :)
Is that are WR no.6 you use? I'm saving the pennies to return to a traditional vice jaw. My leg vice has been a frustration and disappointment, but I guess it's one of these things you need to experience to know what you do and do not like. Tip 3 is definitely one to remember and the off set position is a good idea. I must admit the automatic assumption of having a vice centrally located to it's jaw is what pissed me off with them before.
Thanks man, I use a #5 and #7... Another pro of the regular old vise's especially the blue ones is they just bolt right on, no messing around trying to get it to work right
@@FranksWorkbench I don't know why, but that WoodRiver #5 of yours looks a *lot* beefier than my old Stanley #5C. Dunno if it's just the Bedrock vs. Bailey design, or what. For some reason it always looks more like a 5-1/2 in the videos!
Hey Frank, are you still liking the “crubber” for a vise lining? I need to line my vise for the workbench I recently finished and am wondering if you think it is still worth it?
I still like it but if I ever build another bench will go back to a thick leather.. the crubber has a good grip and seems durable but the leather seemed to be more immune to heavy wood slipping when it's dusty (or maybe I should just stop cutting 9ft long boards held in the vise lol)
There are some different schools of thought on the cork rubber stuff. Some say to only use it on one side. I forget the reasoning but eh.. ask 100 different people about how to set up vises, get 200 different answers.
The reasoning for only using it on one side (the jaw side) is that using it on the table side means your inner vise surface is no longer perfectly square with your legs. This is important if your table is set up to use your vertical face as a reliable squaring tool.
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4th tip - don't forget to grease the vise!? 🤣
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One tip to improve the utility of your vise: Because you properly designed your workbench with the outer facing pretty square all the way down, you can drill horizontal dogholes in the bracing beam and legs. Use doghole devices/clamps horizontally in combination with your vise to quickly support and secure large pieces against the vertical side of your bench, allowing you to work on the sides of long large pieces more easily.
This is a pretty solid little workbench. While once you figure out how it comes together, it is physically Easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxyFZUPFEey-PuqsPMxqaykBhgA1LWxFHh by yourself. But the diagrams explaining the steps are really pretty bad. I could not get the handle pins in all the way despite multiple attempts, so I just used a screw I had on hand for the 2nd handle. I could not get the first pin in further or pull it back out. You are supposed to hammer it in, but I had no leverage and the handle is plastic and I did not want to risk breaking it. I will get a lot of use out of the bench because of the convenient size and height. It does fold up nicely for storage. They even explain how to fold it so you don't get pinched...that is important!
I think you are my new favorite YT woodworking channel. Simple strategies. No crazy music. To the point!
What vice hardware are you using? I really enjoy your no BS approach and not trying to get your viewers to buy the latest stupid expensive tool (that was sent to you for free!!!). I agree with your common sense approach and insight, like building a work bench from soft wood to not damage your project, keep the cost down, and easily flatten the top.....what a concept!!! Well done, Sir.
“The most secure clamping with the least amount of pressure.” Interesting solution, this taper concept!
Love your pace and how you explain what your doing. You mix just the right amount of technique with examples to keep my interest. You just got a new subscriber. I'm sure I can learn a lot from your.
Thank you Pete!
First time finding your channel. And thanks to this one a new subscriber. I sort of knew about the jaw taper idea. The liner is an oldie. But the simple but masterful utility of a single pencil line blew me away ! ! ! ! Hobby wood worker here. Not just a YT viewing warrior. Nicely paced and filled video too. I hate the long drawn out videos of just making chips or shavings. I also hate the click bait where we need to watch (or skip) to the end to see what is going on. Thanks for bucking that trend ! ! ! This is the sort of video that I'll watch keenly the whole way through. WELL DONE!
Thank you so much!!
amèn brother , substance and technique , plus , no annoying music ! …. works for me .
Your personality, attention to detail has won this old man to subscribe. I really did enjoy this video. Now, make more video's for me to watch and get to know you more.
thanks!
I really like that vertical line trick. Thanks.
Glad to hear it!
I like your vise tapers - the offset jaws, well functional, also adds a visual attraction. A well done, informative video!
Thank you very much!
Those hand planers are sooo smooth, what kind of wood should one use for the jaws?
Got me on the vertical line, good idea for when it really matters, going to put a couple lines. Sounds like you need oil on vise where handle tee and threads go through front of vise. As old retired heavy equipment mechanic this is killing me.
Haha you are so right! When I was editing this one my ears were killing me, somehow never noticed it in the shop. I've put some white grease on the screw and tee washer and it's quiet and smooth now 😁
My old woodwork teacher To many years ago All ways said when holding tools
“Three finger
Fore finger
Thumb
Keep well in mind both hands behind “ (cutting edge you know Frank)
He was a great guy
His plane sounded just like yours Sharp !
Thank you Frank. You could have raised the vise in the bench an inch or 2 to prevent bending - just a thought.
Your videos and your project work are fantastic. I want to be you when I grow up. Unfortunately I'm already 60 years old.
😂😂
We never grow up.
Hugely underrated channel. You will have 100k in no time. You do great work, your video was one of the first I've finished in a while. The workbench video, here I am watching this one too. Subscribed.
Thank you!
Thanks a lot for the tips I will add some of them to my vise. You have a great channel and I have learned much from you.
Thank you so very much. This video was a tremendous amount of help for me and my issues I was having with my super cheap $20 vise. I can not thank you enough for sharing this video.
Awesome! Glad it was helpful
I'm starting my first bench build soon that will incorporate a really old cast iron vise. I'll be copying some of your stuff here!
I shall have a go at improving my own vice.
Another quick tip you can do with a vise jaw (perhaps not if you have beveled the top) is you can drill dogholes in the top face of your vise, if it is perfectly plane with your table surface. Then, just attach dogs on the table, and in the vise, square with the ones on the table, and now you have a clamp vise on the front like you have on the side that is flush with your surface. This is GREAT for quickly securing oddly-shaped items like circles while leaving the entire face of the item open, just stick it between the 4 dogs and close the vise
great tip, thank you!
Thanks very much for sharing your experience and knowledge with all of us , your videos are a pleasure to watch and I learn something from every one you put out, great content looking forward to the next one I’m a subscriber!!
Right on man, thank you!
Really good fixes. Well demonstrated!!
Thank you!
I like the taper on the jaws. Seems easier than keeping scraps around to use on the opposite side of your work piece.
for sure, 99% of the time it will give a perfect hold, only need to throw a scrap in if REALLY cranking down on the vise for some reason
This is a very well made and super informative video. I am in the process of moving and will modify my workbench at the new location and will definitely include your tips. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Very useful ideas. Thanks for sharing.
Would it be possible for you to put the link of the accessories that go on the table that you built? Thanks
I have the same problem. Thank you very much for your very helpful advice. I'll fix it.
Great, glad it was helpful!
Thanks so much for your videos, well done and very informative. Noticed the ends of the visehandle, curious as to what exactly are they, look like rubber to me. I'm building a new workbench, I'll be Incorporating some of your ideas. Thanks again.
I would like to add some dog holes in the top of the jaw and also add a few more holes in line to the back of the tabletop to clamp wide boards securely.
good idea!
What is the best vice to use?
I noticed on the previous video that you nailed the inside of the legs as you were layering them. Salt on the glue will prevent slide also.
Great tip, thank you! I've heard that one but haven't tried it yet
Great video! Thank you Frank.
What are you rubbing on your plane each time before you plane?
That cut was impressive
:)
Show casing the sawing skills with cuttin those bevels........ the first video I watched from you impressed me with how you handle a saw, saws are what gets the work done quickly; not many sawyers like you Frank.... huggin that line like its nobodys business!!! You were the first channel I ever subscribed to, based purely on how you handled a saw :)
Im gonna use that line trick; so simple, so obvious, but my simple mind never thought of it heheh :P Thank you Sir! :)
Always leaves a comment to help with the algorithms....... more people should know about you :)
And as always..... it wouldnt be a Frank's Workbench video without the trick shot, thats your trademark now lad :P
A BIG thank you!! 😁
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
What vise did you use??
Nice video, did you put the name of the vise jaw in the link?
Nice videos, I enjoy practicality of it, and, I really appreciate to use "human engine" and hand tools!! In many videos are very specialised tools/engines used, but a lot of things could be do with pure plane, saw, etc.. So please continue with your approach, especially people, who has not extra room/garage, and create in flatroom (silent tools without clouds of dust) very appreciate.
Special question/kind request : how to solve a vice on portable workbench? I have made portable and foldable workbench (approx 5 cm thick) and would like to install vice.. But standard vice is heavy, and workbench became not portable.. Have you any advice/tip please? I am thinking about screwed rod hidden in bench.. But how to do it, if I do not have welding (rod to handle, etc..) please help. Many thanks and good luck!
Thanks for sharing your experience 💐🇪🇬
thanks for the comment!
That outro was great...
Great tips.I will use them.
Glad it was helpful!
I'm subscribing because your channel is dope. Thank you for the very useful tips!
Thanks bro!
Awesome man , fantastic bench vise 😊
Hi Frank, thanks for the nice video.
How do you like that inset tail vise? Is that the Veritas?
That was very interesting and made a lot of sense.
Appreciate your comment!
Frank what kind of vice mechanism did you use ? Veratis?
A thought: instead of compensating for an off-center vise screw, why not reposition the jaw such that the clamping force is more centrally applied? That way, you eliminate the need to alter your jaw and adjust a laterally-angled initial contact. To clamp a piece on one end, add a matching-thickness spacer piece on the opposite end to balance out forces.
Your technique to taper the jaw top-to bottom is exactly right!
yep, the lateral taper is more a factor of almost always clamping vert pieces on the right, eliminates need to toss an anti-racking scrap on the left side of the vise
I come here for the trick shots at the waste basket and stay for the craftsmanship
😆
Recently added some wooden jaws to a Yost face vice and QR vice on the old utility bench currently serving as my 'woodworking' bench. I went with doubled up 2x lumber, and then rounded over the corners (aka 'bullnose' profile) and a flat top instead of the wide chamfer. I got some automotive gasket material (aka 'crubber') from the local parts store, and put it on with some 3M 77 spray adhesive.
Now I'm thinking I might have to peel the liner off and try that taper trick, as that's probably my #1 gripe with the vise(s) as they currently are - they rack a *lot*. Still hold fine, but they look weird when they rack like that.
Do you feel the wide chamfer along the top gives you a little bit of extra room when sawing, so you don't end up gacking the top of the vise jaw? I've done that a couple times already :(
You could save yourself the work and keep a cutoff or a small block of 3/4" thick wood and toss it in the left side of the vise when you clamp down something on the right. Doesn't have to be exactly sized to the thickness of the wood you're working, as long as it's somewhat close it will help a lot with the racking. The top of my jaw has seen some saw teeth too :)
Thanks for the great tips!
Thank you!
Is that are WR no.6 you use?
I'm saving the pennies to return to a traditional vice jaw. My leg vice has been a frustration and disappointment, but I guess it's one of these things you need to experience to know what you do and do not like. Tip 3 is definitely one to remember and the off set position is a good idea. I must admit the automatic assumption of having a vice centrally located to it's jaw is what pissed me off with them before.
Thanks man, I use a #5 and #7... Another pro of the regular old vise's especially the blue ones is they just bolt right on, no messing around trying to get it to work right
@@FranksWorkbench I don't know why, but that WoodRiver #5 of yours looks a *lot* beefier than my old Stanley #5C. Dunno if it's just the Bedrock vs. Bailey design, or what. For some reason it always looks more like a 5-1/2 in the videos!
What is the reason you just don't mount the vise in the center of the jaw? Sorry, if I missed it.
I almost only clamp vertical pieces on the right. The lateral taper is more a factor of that than the off-center jaw
Nice!
Hey Frank, are you still liking the “crubber” for a vise lining? I need to line my vise for the workbench I recently finished and am wondering if you think it is still worth it?
I still like it but if I ever build another bench will go back to a thick leather.. the crubber has a good grip and seems durable but the leather seemed to be more immune to heavy wood slipping when it's dusty (or maybe I should just stop cutting 9ft long boards held in the vise lol)
Hey Frank, what Vise hardware are you using?
Great Video. Which vise is this?
Something similar? www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Quick-Release-Front/dp/B001RH16O4/ref=sr_1_35?crid=2TG7KCMNU47ZV&keywords=VEVOR+Wood+Vise+9+Inch+Woodworking+Vise&qid=1659882844&sprefix=vevor+wood+vise+9+inch+woodworking+vise%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-35
There are some different schools of thought on the cork rubber stuff. Some say to only use it on one side. I forget the reasoning but eh.. ask 100 different people about how to set up vises, get 200 different answers.
LOL isn't that the truth!
The reasoning for only using it on one side (the jaw side) is that using it on the table side means your inner vise surface is no longer perfectly square with your legs. This is important if your table is set up to use your vertical face as a reliable squaring tool.
@@pfarabee Yes! Thank you!
Great video, thanks
My tip: Lube that vise
Seems like at least the left/right taper could be scribed.
good idea, i think that would work well!
Quick tip here: lubrication for that vise screw. Can't have a whole channel dedicated to workbenches and ignore such a screetchy detail!
Lol yeah I didn't even notice it until I edited the video ... Been greased up since then 😉
👏👏👏👍👍👍
Add lubricant to the screw for the love of god 😂
LMAO yes
Vise needs some oil 😉
Haha yes I put some white grease on it, quiet as a church mouse now
The tip I would add is…. OIL THE SCREW! The squeaking drove me nuts!
😬 yep it was getting pretty bad
Wax the screw.
jeez, just center the vise mechanism
0:05 looks like yet another American who skipped English class on helping verb day. "won't *have heard of", not "won't heard of." oy vey.