Pentastar Alignment | Star Wars Legends
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- The Pentastar Alignment was one of the last warlord states to survive the fall of the Galactic Empire. But any success it might have had, little to do with those at its highest levels.
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So we're the *_Pentastar_* Alignment right? Well I just got a great idea for our logo... a decagram! - Ardus Kaine probably.
Since Stellaris has had a couple major updates and dlcs released, will we possibly be getting Stellaris Invicta 3? Cus the first two were dope as hell and your world building was unreal and so good, if we are going to get more I can’t wait since I re-watched the entirety of both!
"You know what's cooler than 5? 5 _twice_ "
All I know is a certain Walter P. Chrysler would be proud.
Kaine lives in death! :P
They probably reasoned that a five pointed star wouldn't have looked Star Warsy enough
That was actually the smartest thing an Imperial warlord can do. Making a beeline for Coruscant to take the throne or taking on the New Republic would be foolhardy, so preserving your power and playing neutral to trade and work with both sides is the best move one can make.
Until you were last one standing
@@UniversalChallenge4454 Then at that point, you can just make a deal with the NR.
@@UniversalChallenge4454being the last one standing means you've done better than everyone else. As pointed out in this video, all of the Imperial remnants were destined for the chopping block
I always play with the idea of an scenario where the PA integrated the Imperial Ruling council with its territory after the death of Carnor Jax and also integrated the Corporate Sector Authority which shares the same interests of the Vulcar Zone.
@@HolyknightVader999 Well, the Imperial Remnant later actually did so.
The fact that the Pentastar Alignment was the only Warlord Faction to really survive the death of its leader is way too understated. Not even just here specifically but in general.
Played this faction the most in Thrawns Revenge.
The mix of Imperial, and Clone Wars era ships really set them apart from the other Imperial factions.
Aye, Venators launching high tier Imperial starfighters (such as Defenders and Cygnus Gunboats) is a formidable combo.
Playing against them on cruel ai is so annoying for me though. These damn secutors 😅
Is Thrawn's Revenge a difficult mod. Been playing Remake for a while now and was looking for another mod to try
@SovietAmerican Cat more difficult than remake but easier than Aotr
Kane is op
This is why I think that legends did warlords better than canon. Though I do like what they've started showing us in Mandalorian season 3, it seems that everyone was desperately trying to figure out a way to explain how the rebellion, who almost lost everything at Endor, managed to overthrow a heavily militarized empire that spanned most of the known galaxy in only 1 year. Rather than having all the factions just throwing their fleets at each other over and over until they had nothing left, legends showed some actual competent warlords that focused on consolidating their forces and territory rather than wasting their resources.
Well, it mostly exists that way because they didn't want to make canon New Republic EVEN more incompetent by failing to stamp out the remaining warlords. I guess now that's out of the window with Mando and they've just given up on giving NR any credibility.
Remember, the new canon has the Empire literally destroying itself for literally no reason, thousands of ships, planets and Soldiers destroyed themselves for no gain or point, just gone in a year
@@Fulcrox As opposed to what? Do you think they would have remained loyal to the first order leadership as opposed to any of the other warlord factions led by governmental and military leaders with just as much credibility? Why leave all of those assets for other factions to use against you down the line, which also results in a more unified and powerful new republic military which they would need to fight these other warlords
@@cowmoo5596, nah, they would either fight each other and/or the Republicans for power, or would try to form separate states like Kaine. Although, I will agree that the idea that all of them would be gone within one year is kinda boring. I personally like the idea that even after the "main" Imperial forces under Rax got whooped at Jakku, the New Republic would have to spend years fighting or dealing with various warlords who refused to recognize the Galactic Concordance Treaty.
@@cowmoo5596 the first order poped way later, and yes, i think they would. Of course not all of them for logical reasons, but as we seen on the EU with Thrawn, Isard, Pelleon and Fel, the imperial Warlords pledge their loyalty to the strongest, or the quickest to act.
Why leave all of those assets? Unless we don't question the First Order and Final Order magical abilities to spawn resources and credits out of thin air, they can totally took those resources again after resurfacing with a even stronger fleet.
By the end of the war, the Empire was stuck with pretty much just the Pentastar alignment territory. The fact that Kaine was able to keep all the alliance's members together, and create a system that didn't collapse immediately after his death, is something nobody else in the galaxy could have accomplished
Cool to see more SW Legends videos.
The Pentastar Alignment was indeed an interesting warlord faction.
I want to know more about Zinj, if only because he was kind of Ardus Kane's opposite, being this flamboyant bandit king
@@weldonwin He's a great villain figure in the X-Wing books, particularly Iron Fist and Solo Command.
A bit more tepid in The Courtship of Princess Leia book (his debut novel) but still neat. Not in it much, though.
Are you going to do more videos on the Warlord States from Legends? Because that would be so fucking awesome, the Imperial Civil War period is terribly underrated.
Agreed! It's rich territory for videos.
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Yeah, this is a great topic
Amen! Would love to see an imperial remnant video!
It still baffles me that the period was ignored by Disney's Cannon. Having the GCW end so soon after Endor (Jakku) was the most stupid idea of the Sequel era, they are trying to retcon It now with Mando and Ahsoka, but honestly the damage has already be done.
Pentastar Alignment was in theory a good idea. Instead of trying to recreate the Empire and fight the New Republic and other warlords, consolidate a couple of sectors, make them stable and try to govern them. This would theoretically allow the Pentastar Alignment to behave as its own state and not to come conflict with the New Republic which could perhaps in the future lead to some non-agression pact and the state's future.
However Kaine wasn't a good stable ruler and his loyalty to Palpatine became his and the state's undoing.
Yeah it was the end of kaine but not the pentastar since that territory become the new imperial remnant and then the fell empire
He followed the Emperor for pragmatic reasonings and fear. He thought he would actually win.
Not his fault that a cowardly grand admiral lured him into a trap.
5:10 "Palpatine's second and final death" brave words.
Always good to see some Legends stuff. Warlord Zsing is another interesting villain from that era. A mix of bombastic and pragmatic, he was clever, conniving, and as capable of guerilla warfare and hit-and-fade tactics as the Republic. Something of a role reversal for former Alliance personnel, and it took old school Rebels like Wedge Antilles using old Rebel tactics to outfox him.
It's also interesting because one of the systems that Zsinj claimed as part of his empire was Mandalore. Makes you wonder if he gave the greenlight for Gideon to uh... "pacify" the planet before getting killed over Dathomir.
@@occam7382 Different canons. In the old lore Mandalore was never punished on the scale of what Gideon did. By that point the planet was nearly anarchic, with families of Mandos working pretty much on-contract, with MandalMotors and Keldabe City administration being the prime representative in galactic politics, while pro-Rebel, Imperial, and independent governments pretty much co-existed. Only around the Yuuzhan Vong War did they start to rebuild as a galactic government force.
@@ZoomReverseFlash, yeah, I know, but it would still be cool if he was canonized as Gideon's old boss.
"It's brief foray with interventionism consigned the Pentastar Alignment to the dustbin of history, the place where it had always been destined."
Fucking ouch, that's a brutal way to end them.
Not really a fare conclusion, considering the Alignment survived the death of its leader, and later became the core part of the unified Imperial Remnant.
I truly appreciate the effort that went into this video. It's been decades since I've seen this blip in the Star Wars lore mentioned. That's because I wrote "The Pentastar Alignment" for the Star Wars Adventure Journal, per editor's Peter Schweighofer's wish to include more warlord factions as opponents to the New Republic forces. I had 5,000 words to write the article, so I dug into the Imperial Sourcebook, The Corporate Sector Authority, and yanked out a quasi-political-corporate alliance to counter the New Republic. Like many of the articles I wrote for West End, The Alignment meshes with other Journal articles. I created an article about mercenary characters, the Red Moons, whom are based on Entralla and on other worlds I included with this small slice of the Galaxy. What is amazing is that the article was re-jiggered with The Official Star Wars Compendium and made a part of the bigger Star Wars universe (adding Admiral Palleon taking over as well as a mention that Count Dooku negotiated the "Treaty of Sevarcos".) Sevarcos is a spice mining world that is home to the first article I ever published with the Journal, "The Free Traders Guide to Servacos" which, a very long time ago, was intended to be about Kessel. Peter had to insist I change the planet's name and location because Kevin Anderson was writing a Kessel series. Some of the remainder of this Templin Institute video contains material I did not create, so it's great to see the whole story played out here. Thanks again!! T
And as an quirky aside, I created the horrible horrible logos using a drawing program called -- Arts & Letters
The name alone is so much better than just the "Imperial Remnant" in EU or whatever they have now. I think that's why the faction is so popular despite never having proper stories.
You should give the "Thrawn's Revenge" mod for Empire at War a look. It makes the Pentastar Alignment a fully fleshed out and playable faction :)
*Admiral Piett:* It's an older code, sir, but it checks out. I was about to clear them. Shall I hold them?
*Darth Vader:* Yes, tractor them in immediately. Make sure they don't jump into hyperspace Admiral…
And jam their transmissions. I will meet them personally in the hold.
………
Pentatstar Allignment is making the imperial system work and sustainable while also playing both sides
The video literally states that its government was always a dysfunctional, paranoid mess, that only held onto power because of the backing of an Imperial remnant fleet. And it only lasted 8 years in any case before it was conquered and absorbed by a different Imperial remnant.
It lasted not even a decade, that's hardly sustainable.
@Haf Þór still better than most Warlords factions where they crumbled after the deaths of their leaders while Pentastar didn't.
I don't think it's entirely fair to call the Pentastar Alignment a failure. The regime was oppressive and haphazard, and Kane's leadership was ultimately a failure, but the state lived on and reorganised itself into the Imperial Remnant, which continued to survive under Gillard Palleon, and the continued strategy of isolationism maintained it's existence.
And both paved the way for the Fel Empire. The PA was not a failure at all! The Remnant was.
Nah, it was definitely a failure. As the video said, the only reason it survived as long as it did was because the New Republic was always focused elsewhere, and it catastrophically failed the moment it actually tried to do something. And as a result, it basically collapsed immediately when Kaine died, and only 'technically' survived because Pellaeon took it over.
And even then, its telling that he reorganized, rolled back, and basically got rid of everything the Pentastar instituted. The state very much did not survive. The only parts of the Pentastar the Remnant bothered to keep were the policy of isolationism and the allowance of non-humans in the military. Every other institution, organization, or law the Pentastart had created was dismantled with little to no fanfare.
How was Kaines rule a failure ? It was successful until he got lured into a trap by a cowardly grand admiral and was murdered by the New Republic.
The Pentastar Alignment is my favorite remnant faction and I’m so psyched to see you guys cover it!
Oh lord, ya'll are getting into Legends.
The Yuuzhan Vong have to be next.
I read about these guys in a Star Wars D6 book and became enamored with them. Love to see them get attention.
I had heard so much about the Pentastar Alignment for ages that I was honestly surprised at how little they factored into anything outside of sourcebooks when I started reading Legends in 2019.
They're an interesting tidbit, certainly worth talking about, but they don't actually matter at all to any of the major novels like the Thrawn Trilogy , X-Wing novels etc set before Dark Empire.
The X-Wing books by Michael A Stackpole and Aaron Allston released later and were set mostly before the Thrawn Trilogy. So they did a fair amount to fleshing out the minor factions from the sourcebooks or were mentioned in the other books/comics. They aren't my favourite Legends series (that is maybe The New Jedi Order) but they aren't bad and they are beloved by many.
Such a slay to here about the Pentastar Alignment! Always thought it was one of the more interesting post-Endor imperial factions
I found quite funny that the narrator took a side in the ending and told the viewers they were a bunch dumbasses that just survived because of luck.
Ah star wars legends...
The things that were done to you...
Now we're talking. Let's get more Expanded Universe Lore videos on the Warlords like Zsinj, the Eriadu Authority, Greater Maldrood and the other holdouts.
Finally some Legends content!
Ayo, its been a while since ive heard anything about the Pentastar Alignment, Reminds me of the days of playing Star wars mods on Sins of a Solar Empire
Thank you and Thrawns Revenge for keeping Legends alive
You meant to say Real Star Wars Canon, legends is term invented dy darth kennedy to justyfy her fanfic timeline with abomination trylogy.
@@wojciechagodzinski4886 "Legends" is a term created so that they can still keep selling Legends content so everyone can still experience those stories without being confused about which timeline it belongs to, unlike if it were just called a generic name like the EU.
Sort of a different direction that Templin is going in with this investigation. Ordinarily, Templin studies factions that have a lasting impact on history and culture; this time, Templin covered a faction that is A VERY TINY BLIP on the historical radar.
Well it is the warlord state that lasted the longest
It’s the equivalent of Soissons- a very interesting but brief footnote
@@space__idklmao Soissons is so interesting, I wish we could know more, but sadly it's probably lost to history.
While not the Empire of the Hand or the Imperial Remnant, the Alignment is a really cool faction, and for the most part, worked for a while.
Only problem was both its leaders and populace had no reason to care about the state's success or failure, and the second it forayed into galactic politics, it got smashed and then swallowed up by its neighbors.
@@occam7382 It did not. It purposely united into the Imperial Remnant, because Kaine was dead and Pellaeon got the troops and ressources from the Deep Core warlords to convince them.
Awesome video! The Pentastar Alignment was always my favorite of the post-Endor Imperial remnant factions, so I'm really happy to see you guys covering them at last.
glad to see sw legends is being talked about by the Templin Institute
Factions I would like to see next:
1. The Space Wolves | Warhammer: 40K
2. Team Aqua | Pokémon
3. The Authorities | Rage
4. The Locust Horde | Gears of War
5. The Fel Empire | Star Wars
I understand most, except Team Aqua, i think they are very straightforward on their goals and self description lmao
Fellow Wolf player, 🐺 cheers brother Russ lives.
Number 4 and 5 is most likely gonna happen.
FEL EMPIRE! LETS GOO!
@@thehammer4607 Imperial Knights need there own elaborated video! 😤💪😍🤓
WOOOOOOOO! Love the SW Legends content!!
Are admiral Palleon and the Empire remnant next ?
Excellent video. I very much hope you make one about the Empire of the Hand and the Chiss Ascendancy respectively.
Oh hell yeah. Legends content.
Nice you are covering star wars legends. Love your content.
do the other major warlords like Zsinj and Maldrood and Eriadu Authority and such
Honestly would have liked to see a version of the sequel trilogy where there are multiple imperial remnants and some of them fight the first order.
I imagine some kind of more progressive but still militant former imperial force with a new forms of storm troopers walkers and star destroyers but fighting the first order.
So happy to see a deep dive of Legends content, this is great
I had to say I love the sounds the interface makes loading each video it's very relaxing actually
The alignment was basically nothing more for Cain to maintain his survival call and claw what power he could in a uncertain political environment, he played the cards he was dealt and did them will. Not aligning yourself with any imperial faction and declaring oneself emperor or Waring with the new Republic was a very good survival strategy through hedging his bets.
For a group that is so large and so relatively powerful, these guys get so few actual appearances in the Legends material. They're a pretty great example of just how disjointed and inconsistent Legends was before they tried pulling everything together in prep for NJO and the new films.
Great video as usual!
I disagree. It's only right that a neutral group wouldn't attract much attention or do much. And the NJO novels were a complete mess. It relied upon the New Republic being portrayed as the kind of clowns that make the Empire look justified by comparison.
I call the NJO and LOTF novels the "Palpatine was right" series. From the excessive incompetence of the New Republic to Alliance war heroes waging war against each other, all these books accomplished was prove that the Empire was right all along. Giving the galaxy freedom only allowed incompetent leaders and infighting between allied factions to arise.
I mean they're whole deal was keeping out of the mess going on in the rest of the galaxy so there relative absence makes sense.
NJO messed up Zahn's Chiss Ascendancy pretty badly. So, no, they didn't pull it together there either.
@@HolyknightVader999 And then Legacy basically has the Empire take over the galaxy again decades later.
@@Hartzilla2007 130 years later, after people's memory of the old Empire waned while the Galactic Alliance became unpopular.
More star wars legends exklusive, like the old sith empire
Awesome video. I'd love to see you cover the other imperial warlord states like Zsinj, the Greater Maldrood and the Eriadu Authority
I am very happy that the Institute is doing investigations on both Canon Topics and Legends ones.
Agreed. Both timelines have stuff to share.
Yaaay legends stuff, i hope we see all the warlord states compared ❤️
I really like the Pentastar Alignment. It's really interesting to me.
The Pentastar Alignment is not by far a good faction, but they made a smart choice by remaining isolationist. It was a situation that showed something smart about the Empire. They were a faction of 14 Sectors in the Outer Rim until absorbed by the Imperial Remnant. The Alignment's former territory for decades was the center of Imperial Territory. I highly doubt if the Alignment continued, and the Imperial Remnant took other territory would have lasted still much longer than it did.
Would love to see a video on Zakuul from Star Wars, arguably one of the most unique factions in Legends with unique aesthetics and motivations.
Yes bro I love valkorian and he came actually and totally conquered the galaxy. And even beat death through immortality
It’s really neat seeing you guys cover the less well known Star Wars factions. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Glad to see the PA getting a little more attention. Its one of the more interesting remnants in Legends imo. My personal favorite ngl
Would love to see an imperial remnant or Fel Empire video! They’re interesting factions that are similar yet very different from the empire!
The Pentastar Alignment was always my favourite post-Empire faction. Not sure why. I never read any novels or comics with them in it.
It's the cool name. Way better than boring First Order or just "Imperial Remnant". How more uncreative can we get?
I recall them mainly as a background bad guy from Blaze of Glory out of Tales from the Empire.
@@user-yq9im9dk9z "Imperial Remnant" is itself a New Republican term (possibly one used to bolster morale after the Orinda and Celanon campaigns, though this is conjectural). So far as is known, neither Daala, nor Pellaeon, nor any of the Moffs who rallied with them, ever referred to their revenant state as anything but "the Galactic Empire", even as the label was a double anachronism.
Constitutional historians, of course, need something to separate the Empire founded in 16 GR at the end of the Clone Wars (lasting until 47 GR and a final brief parade of self-proclaimed Emperors) from its ex nihilo reconstruction using surviving armed forces elements and the nervous sector governors spinward of the Hydian. "Pellaeon's Empire", while not a title he would have sought, helps to keep it distinct from both Sidious' Empire (with which it shares iconography) and the Fel Dynasty that it would ultimately give rise to.
The Alignment mostly only pop up in RPG material, with gradual other mentions over time. Much of it got wrecked, politically at least, in the Dark Empire era, with Pellaeon and others picking up the pieces.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Yeah. I only knew about it because of the Star Wars Atlas.
Playing the Imperial Civil War mod on Empire At War and AAAAAHHHHH! The Alignment has been a pain in my rear since day one! I'm playing as The Greater Maldrood and Kaine and his stupid Executor ALWAYS seem to worm their way through my defenses.
This is AWESOME if possible do Warlord Zsinj next.
It is nice to see a video featuring Star Wars Legends lore :)
Totally off topic but I started watching Silo and its amazing! So glad you did a video on it!
Good job, as always 🙂 Keep it up guys.
The Empire of the Hand could be next.
Such an underrated channel, I love the deep dive into Legends and obscure lore! Hope to see more Legends lore!
More Imperial Remnant videos please. These are top tier.
Can we get a video on Sith Empire of Swtor and characters like Darth Marr or Jadus
Yuuzhan Vong War next please.
More legends videos are always a surprise but a welcome one
As trivia, the manufacturer names on the First Order's star destroyers and TIEs are Kuat-Entralla Engineering and Sienar-Jaemus Fleet Systems, which seem to be corporate spin-offs based on Entralla and Jaemus, major planets in the Pentastar Alignment. So aspects of the Alignment are arguably canonized! (At least their corporate/manufacturing nature and links to Imperial remnants.)
Also Kaine was a co-founder of the New Order and got disappointed with the outcome of it. I wonder somebody like him would name his new ideology like ?
Thanks for the holdout content. I like seeing some attention given the Legends content.
One of the most underrated imperial factions in the EU. If I were to have any brought back into canon, this would be it. Would have made a good ally of the resistance to fight against the first order.
I'm not gonna lie. The only reason the Pentastar Alignment lasted that long was more like the New Republic wasn't that interested, especially since they had to deal with the likes of Warlord Zsinj. It was only after Palpatine returned from the dead that the Pentastar Alignment decided to help restore the Empire. We all know how that ultimately ended...with a final defeat that pushed the Remnants past the point of no return.
I wonder how the Pentastar Alignment might fit in the years leading up to the rise of the First Order.
I hope you'll do more videos on post-Endor Imperial factions from the old Legends EU soon, like Zsinj's Empire and Palpatine's Dark Empire.
They may have been the most isolationist and least aggressive of the imperial successor states, however that worked in its favour, allowing it to build up its military strength and industrial base at will, while preserving its existing military. Meaning that when it was absorbed into the imperial remnant by Pelleaon, following operation shadow hand, it and its assets formed the backbone of the imperial remnant military and territory, that enabled the empire to drag out galactic civil war much longer than it would have been able to otherwise and allow them to achieve a negotiated peace with the new republic. .
Disney dropped the ball when they didn't use any of the legends story lines other than Thrawn. Legends has so much great lore that could have been made into movies and TV series. So much potential, wasted.
That was very interesting! I'd love to hear some more from Star Wars Legends
Favorite Faction in Thrawn's Revenge
Next, you should do the GFA or Yuuzhan Vong
Of all other nations and factions, there was something positive, or at least of importance, to say about them.
It seems this is not the case here.
It was the only faction that survived after it's "leader's" death, and it's territory was later used by Pellaeon to create the Fel Empire (arguably the best empire... Until another dumb Sith took over again 👀)
Interesting mixture of military dictatorship and corporatocracy.
Amazing video on one of the best forgotten IP’s out there
Love a video legend about legends! Hope to see more from legends!
Nice work Templin Institute
Finally some star wars legends content
Learnt a good deal about the Pentastar Alignment and Moff Kaine.
Love the more obscure legends content!
Long have I waited for this video!!!
Upvoted because it was legends content. 👍
Legends Never Die
More explorations of Star Wars Legends over Disney Canon plz
These imperial factions make much more sense than the first order.
Interesting negative assessment and very well done. I like your voice for narration
Man this voice is so good.
I was watching someone play thrawn revenge and this pop up. What are the odds 😂
I’d love to hear your take on more of the SW Legends governments. Maybe the New Republic?
Best faction, eventually became the Imperial Remnant led by my man Pellaeon, Best Imperial
Fun fact: Grand Admiral Octavian Grant: a Tapani noble of house Mecetti was the chief naval officer of this alignment. Kinda neat.
And he was the one who cowardly lured Kaine into his death to buy himself asylum at the New Republic.
Sad to see nothing about the dark jedi Jerec and his quest for the Valley of the Jedi
More Legends!!!
imagine if they never joined palatine and instead sat back and reformed while everyone was to busy fighting each other. they would becomes a confederacy-empire hybrid.
There were too many damn imperial warlords in legends that its a wonder they didn’t fall into civil war before endor. Though it’s likely it would’ve happened regardless of the outcome with the way the empire was structured.
Legends just properly scaled the galaxy unlike the movies. It's a pretty small number for a galaxy-wide Empire.
For the Civil War among them to happen at least half of moffs should work together AGAINST the Emperor. Yet the repressive system Palpatine created insured that not a single one of them could conspired with each other without fear of being betrayed and left alone against Empire's wrath.
Because they were loyal to the Emperor, but when he died the role passed to Sate Pestage, but he was never as popular as the Emperor so the Warlords, Grand Admirals and Generals began to create their own states either for their own personal power or to better defend their territory either from the New Republic or other Warlords who had the same idea as them.
Nice, legends.
Hope they do zsing soon. He was interesting.
More Legend please!😊
The Pentastar Alignment > the first order
I’m getting Succession vibes from this faction