When Jesus told Peter He would build His church was He referring to the Catholic Church?
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- Hank Hanegraaff, the host of the 𝘉𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘈𝘯𝘴𝘸𝘦𝘳 𝘔𝘢𝘯 broadcast and the 𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘬 𝘜𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘶𝘨𝘨𝘦𝘥 podcast, talks to John in New Jersey about growing up Catholic and the differences in Protestant theology regarding when Jesus told Peter to build His church. It's not referring to Peter building the Catholic church but was Peter's affirmation that Jesus Christ is Lord, that Jesus Christ is the rock, that Jesus Christ is the foundation. So Peter was affirming that Jesus Christ was Messiah. The affirmation that Peter made is an affirmation that is foundational to Christianity that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, He lived the perfect life, He died, He rose again from the dead, He ascended into Heaven. Therefore Jesus Christ has left us with a commission, go make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and lo I'm with you even till the end of the age.
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I’ve been a Protestant for 23 yrs and considering E. Orthodoxy. My biggest hang up has to do with praying to the Virgin Mary or praying to the saints. I’ve heard Hank H. say we aren’t praying to these saints but with them. However, the liturgy and or Vespers prayers have prayers to the Virgin Mary. I’ve heard fathers say this as well. How do I justify this in my own mind? Where in Scripture or the early church fathers is this ok? As a Protestant I’ve always prayed to God, none else. Praying to the theotokos asking her to heal or intercede is odd to me. Isn’t her prayers just as important to the ears of God as other believers on earth?
Do you ask your friends and family to pray for you? Why ask those sinners instead of going straight to God yourself? The Saints are not dead they are more alive than us and they are offering our prayers before the throne of God, Revelation 5:8. I pray you find the Orthodox Church, the pillar and foundation of truth! 1 Timothy 3:15.
Also thank God for the Virgin Mary at the wedding at Cana. If it wasn’t for her mercy the couple would have been shunned from their community. Christ wasn’t going to help them, but he obeyed His Mother because He is perfect. She hasn’t suddenly stopped being His mother, she is and will be for all eternity and Christ will always honour her and so must we.
In every loving family, the father rejoices when the younger children appreciate and love and ask for the help of both their older brothers and their mother.
The Saints are our big and strong brothers, and the Mother of God, Theotokos, is our mother.
Our good Father God, is pleased when we ask with our prayers for the help of both the Saints and Theotokos.
You ask your friends to pray for you. What closer friends have you then the saints in the direct presence of the Holy Trinity in heaven!
Your question is addressed on this episode of Hank Unplugged w/ Brandi Willis Schreiber ruclips.net/video/GSPaNF2Kh80/видео.html
As a Christian and former Catholic who has served in various roles within the Catholic Church, I've come to realize that our relationship with God is deeply personal. No one can dictate your spiritual path; the guidance you receive on Sundays is just a starting point. You need to nurture your spirit throughout the week, not just on Sundays. I caution that a divided church, where members are at odds with one another, will not thrive. As the Bible says, 'A house divided against itself cannot stand' (Mark 3:25). Let us focus on feeding our spirits and fostering unity in our faith communities. No matter the denomination, as long as Christ is the center of it all, we can come together in love and service to Him.
@JohnAllen407 Appreciate what you shared.
Hank calls it as it really is. The apostles. Not just Peter went out and established the church of Jesus Christ upon the cornerstone that was Jesus Christ, not any one man, including Peter. The church of Jesus Christ is made up on imperfect people, and those of us who realize that and believe on Him are His church.
It's the giving of the keys to Peter that makes it see like Jesus appointed Peter to establish His church. Confused 🤔
@marlamay No u still don't get it. Jesus did not start a catholic church
In my humble opinion, in Matthew 16:18 when the Lord says, "upon this I will build my church," he is referring to Peter's TESTIMENT, not Peter. When you examine Revelations, there is no escaping the symbols of the Roman Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon, drunk on the blood of saints, fornication with kings of the earth. The abominations written on her forehead? Consider, Equal to Christ on earth, Authority over scripture, and Cash for salvation, to name a very few. This man-made church is Satan's greatest diversion from true scriptural doctrine, ensnaring 75% of Christians, making a mockery of God's prophets, his written word, and even his holy self! They even rewrote the 10 commandments! Eliminating #2, because it prevented them from worshipping and praying to the carved images of dead men and women, their so called Saints. Idolatry is one of the greatest sins of the Old Testiment, and they wallow in it.
On Judgement Day, all believers of false doctrines will be greeted with, "Depart from me, I never knew you."
Scriptorture at its worst...misreping the holy church w/out even looking into the most basic historical & biblical facts...but of course when you are your own lil baby pope in a chaotic circus of nonsensical imposing
Beyond the grammatical evidence, the structure of the narrative does not allow for a downplaying of Peter’s role in the Church. Look at the way Matthew 16:15-19 is structured. After Peter gives a confession about the identity of Jesus, the Lord does the same in return for Peter. Jesus does not say, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are an insignificant pebble and on this rock I will build my Church. . . . I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven." Jesus is giving Peter a three-fold blessing, including the gift of the keys to the kingdom, not undermining his authority. To say that Jesus is downplaying Peter flies in the face of the context. Jesus is installing Peter as a form of chief steward or prime minister under the King of Kings by giving him the keys to the kingdom. As can be seen in Isaiah 22:22, kings in the Old Testament appointed a chief steward to serve under them in a position of great authority to rule over the inhabitants of the kingdom. Jesus quotes almost verbatum from this passage in Isaiah, and so it is clear what he has in mind. He is raising Peter up as a father figure to the household of faith (Is. 22:21), to lead them and guide the flock (John 21:15-17). This authority of the prime minister under the king was passed on from one man to another down through the ages by the giving of the keys, which were worn on the shoulder as a sign of authority. Likewise, the authority of Peter has been passed down for 2000 years by means of the papacy.
Petros vs Petra Jesus spoke aramaic not Greek. The Aramaic leaves no room for the Petros/Petra distinction. In Aramaic the work for rock is Kepha(rock) and upon this Kepha(rock) I will build my church.
Why does the Greek use two different words? because the Greek word for rock is feminine. The translator gave petra a masculine ending and rendered it petros. Petros was the preexisting word meaning "small stone".
The Greek text is a translation of Jesus' words, which were actually spoken in Aramaic. Aramaic only had one word for rock, kephas (which is why Peter is often called Cephas in the Bible). The word Kephas in Aramaic means "huge rock." The Aramaic word for "little stone" is "evna," and Peter was not called "Evna" or "Envas" or anything like that. In Aramaic, Jesus said "You are Peter (Kephas) and upon this rock (kephas) I will build my Church." The metaphor worked well in Aramaic where nouns are neither feminine or masculine, but in Greek, the noun "rock" was feminine, and therefore unsuitable as a name for Peter. So the Aramaic wordKephas was translated to the masculine name Petros when it referred to Peter, and to the feminine noun petra when it referred to the rock. In ancient Koine Greek, petra and petros were total synonyms, unlike modern Attic Greek and unlike Ionic Greek which was about 400 year before Christ.
"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
" Matthew 16:18 Notice that Jesus said 'church' (singular), and not 'churches' (multiple) in that verse.
Do you believe that Jesus Christ founded only one Church and promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against it, meaning that it will last forever?
If you answered 'no' then you are firmly entrenched in John 6:66
simply because you do not believe He who said it.
"Amen, amen, I say to you, he who enters not by the door to the sheepfold, but climbs up another way, is a thief and a robber.
But he who enters by the door is shepherd of the sheep." John 10:1-2 The sheepfold represents His Church.
Are you in the sheepfold, the one Church that He founded? Or did you 'climb up another way' by entering a church founded by a mere human person?
Do you believe what Jesus said in those two verses?
"I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,
that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.
" John 17:20-23 What part of the word 'one' is simply not understood by so many?
Do you agree that there is only ONE true Church that Jesus Christ founded?
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
" Luke 11:23 Are you 'gathered' into the one Church that Jesus founded?
Or are you scattered among the other 40,000+ sects not founded by God that call themselves Christian?
Those who do not follow His words, 'that they may be one' are those that scatter. Aren't those who left Him in John 6:66, scatterers?
"Jesus said to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father, but by me.
" John 14:6 Do you believe Him when He said, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life'? Do you believe that He is the truth?
If so, why are you not in His Church?
"You search the Scriptures, because in them you think that you have life everlasting.
And it is they that bear witness to Me, yet you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life
." John 5:39-40 You come to Him by entering His one Church, the only Church with God given authority to speak in the behalf of God Himself. .
"So Jesus said to them,
" Matthew 18:15-17 Which Church, His Church which has all truth or those human person founded sects which only have some of it?
"And other sheep I have that are not of this fold. Them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.
" John 10:16 That one verse expresses the theme of this entire page. Are you one of the sheep who are not of His fold?
Jesus is pleading to us by saying I MUST BRING His 'other sheep' to His ONE FOLD and ONE SHEPHERD.
Those who are not in His ONE FOLD are not listening to Him and so are firmly entrenched in the 666 Club.
"Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also wish to go away?" Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life;
" John 6:67-68 Do those verses say it all to you??? If so then we all must belong to the ONE FOLD with one Shepherd and have eternal life, or be forever a member of Club 666. The choice is yours
@James.PObviously not an historian? Never heard of a corrupt pope? The crusades? The Reformation? The Inquisition? There is no legitimate succession of the Lord's disciples, only his word and scripture. The men who have lead the Roman Catholic Church as popes are a lineage of politicians, murderers, torturers, liars, thieves, idolators,and fornicators who reject scripture. Who are you to ignore it?
@@biblealone9201 The church you describe is the Messianic Jews, the only faith aligned with the book. The Vatican did not descend from Peter, or any of the Lord's apostles. The Vatican is the remnant of the scribes and pharisees who demanded Christ's execution.
@@rickmarvelli9238 you need help with your delusions🎶🎶
No he didn't. The church is not a building or a religion, it's the fundament of every single individuals inner working as in Christ Consciousness. That's what's important by his teaching and what is meant by 'repenting'.
I always found it absurd that people took that verse to imply that Christ was establishing a political office in civic branch of the Roman Empire.
@einzelwolf3437 yeah that would be way off to suppose civic religion or a caesaropapism.
Very sad....I was raised Catholic as well. Been studying the Word for 4 years. Not once, did anyone tell me to read the Bible when i was growing up. I believe in the 5 Sola's. I do not believe in any of the additional books from the Catholic church. I believe it's book 6 of the apocryphal that states if you believe in salvation through faith you're rebuked (paraphrase). I'll take a pass on that and follow the 66 books of the Bible..
(Also not a a Catholic), but how do you know the canon is those 66 books?
@O-Matt because the Kanon is of Man and not God. Does anything in The Kanon contradict anything that say, the Apostle Paul wrote?
@@mikerukavina4551 dont forget the holy Catholic & Apostolic Church formed the Canon..the full canon, btw how do you suppose we knew which books were inspired scripture? You also know the Catholic Church did not prevent you from reading the bible, I pulled that nonsense at a time also but had to be honest about it, btw there are 2-3 texts of scripture in every Mass & we sign the holy gospel on our mind, on our lips, & on our heart. There are bible studies & bibles are as easy to acquire as is for Protesters..the problem is all the chaotic interp in Protestantism hence the Magisterium & the catechism. The beauty & fullness of the holy faith is in the Catholic Church, peace
Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide. Why would I pray to Mary or the Saints? Why do I need intercession between me and the Father when I already have 1 in Jesus Christ? The Father can cast my soul into hell without Jesus. Not without Mary. Without Jesus. What's the Scriptures say? ...and before you quote James, when you fully have faith and have fully surrendered, you will be recognized by your fruits. Which is, by definition WORKS. So without Faith, there are no works, but you most definitely can have works with no faith. I can't do ANYTHING to get into heaven. All I can do is trust Jesus Christ completely, and the rest will come. My proof? Jesus's words in the Gospel. Matthew 7:22.
@Methodius ☦️ neither is the Trinity. So what's your point.
Christ Jesus revealed that those WORDS He had spoken (verbally/orally) from His mouth, came not from HImself but from His Father who sent Him. (ref. John 14:24-27)...
With this passage from John 14:24-27... Let us now analyze the Gospel of Matthew 16:18...
Christ said, "THAT" you are Peter, and upon "THIS" Rock, "I" will build "My" Church and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it."
The English Pronouns used in the Original passage were the following... "THAT" (Hoti), 'THIS" (Taut'e), "I" (Oiko), and "MY" (Mou)...
Take Note:... God/YHWH was talking/speaking verbally/orally from the mount of His Son, Christ Jesus... based on John 14:24-27...
Who is the Pronoun "THAT" (singular - 3rd person)? = Simon Bar-Jonah (Peter)
Who is the Pronoun "THIS" (singular - 2nd person)? = God's Son, Christ Jesus
Who is the Pronoun "I" (singular - 1st person)? = Father God/YHWH
Who is the (determiner) Pronoun "MY" (singular - 1st person)? = Father God/YHWH
Therefore, Father God/YHWH was revealing to Simon Bar-Jonah called Peter that God will build His own Church upon His Son, Christ Jesus, the ROCK... and not building the Church of God upon PETER... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
@jvlp2046 Exposition noted. Here is another take: www.equip.org/articles/was-saint-peter-the-first-pope/
For by God's power I was made an apostle to the Gentiles, just as Peter was made an apostle to the Jews.
- Galatians 2:8
And I have been chosen as a preacher and apostle to teach the Gentiles this message about faith and truth. I’m not exaggerating-just telling the truth.
- 1 Timothy 2:7
The point is that the word is written upon the tablet of our hearts. Now, we can be seated in the presence of our enemies because we are rooted and grounded in LOVE. Now, if we make the choice to use our book then, and only then are we actually interpreting how to obey his commands. I'm sorry the 10 commandments also are not suggestions!!!
@melissaklemm9976 Point appreciated.
Will Hank debate Trent Horn...no? Didn't think so.
1)Apostle Peter founded Antiochian Church for sure and maybe Roman church. So the Antiochean Patriarch is 100% Peter's successor instead of Roman pope who maybe isn't.
2) Peter founded Orthodox church. A pope in 1054 founded Roman Catholic church.
This is the truth, but no one seems to be able to accept it. I am Greek of course Jesus referred to Peter when he was speaking, that’s literally our word for rock. I am Eastern Orthodox, but we are only four 5ths of the True Church and the Romans are only one 5th and they need to abandon their recent (meaning the last 1000 years) innovations.
true!
For by God's power I was made an apostle to the Gentiles, just as Peter was made an apostle to the Jews.
- Galatians 2:8
And I have been chosen as a preacher and apostle to teach the Gentiles this message about faith and truth. I’m not exaggerating-just telling the truth.
- 1 Timothy 2:7
Wake up.!!! The seven churches are the only churches that belong to Jesus. Every christian fall under one of these churches according to their belief and faith . All these other churches are places to gather, and places for prayer. Jesus said he would build his church. Not that anyone else will build it for him. Him only
Yes Christ established His Church on the Apostles & Prophets, Himself the chief cornerstone. The Apostolic Churches start w/ Roman Catholicism in which we find the beauty & fullness of the holy faith, like it or not, & Apostolic Christianity also includes Eastern Orthodox & Coptic churches, they are of ancient Christendom, its just the way it is...church history which include the Councils, holy tradition, great martyrs & the Canon of sacred scripture
sorry, not true!
@@mary-xk9dc sorry but super duper true...prove me wrong 🤷♂️
@@mary-xk9dc still true...& will be true forever & ever, its basic church history
@@J-PLeigh8409 Wake up and study the word of God. obey His teaching you will find the truth, if you our really a child of God.
@@mary-xk9dc lol, that's just it I have & do but the holy faith has a history which you ignore not to mention an obvious superficial elementary understanding of scripture. You like other self imposed lil popes in lone wolf Protest don't even know the faith, you don't even know what the Deformers believed & taught. Do you have anything? Does it makes sense to impose your own interp on scripture that is different from most other Protestants, & of course miles away from ancient historic Christendom...even far from the Deformers, hence a circus
Early Christian church? Not Catholic?
“At Antioch, Ignatius was ordained by Paul, and then, at the end of the reign of Evodius, he was appointed bishop of Antioch by Peter. He reigned there for many years before his martyrdom in Rome. On his way to Rome to be martyred, he wrote several letters to fellow Christians in various locations, expounding on Christian theology. He especially emphasized unity among Christians (see John 17) and became known as an Apostolic Father of the Church.
In one of his letters (to Christians in Smyrna), he wrote, “Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church.” This is the earliest known written record of the term “Catholic Church” (written around A.D. 107).
Your explanation to the caller was all over the place.
@phyllisantonino7332 What is unclear? The Roman Catholic schism would only come about in the second millennium of church history. The one church spoken about by the Apostolic Fathers would have been something different. All this is explained in the Ages of Christendom series > www.equip.org/product/ages-of-christendom-and-hank-resources/
Yes He did.
No, HE did not.
@@themostamazingwoman but he did though, ancient Christendom is Catholicism...historical facts
@@J-PLeigh8409false.
@@J-PLeigh8409Roman Catholics saying things are facts doesn't make them facts. Rome was definitely part of The Church, though, for roughly a millennium.
The Apostle Peter certainly did affirm Who Jesus is but we cannot deny that Our Lord founded His Church upon Peter whom He called "Rock." All of the Church Fathers, both East and West, proclaimed that Peter was the chief among the Apostles and that the authority, that was given to Peter, resides in his successors who are the Bishops of Rome.
@Methodius ☦️ it’s a Petrine See but is that where Our Lord wants His Church to be headquartered here on Earth?
@Methodius ☦️ Peter could have went there then left and then came back.
@Methodius ☦️ that he went to Rome?
Jesus is the rock. Please stop the nonsense
@@user-uu8bs8tg1k Scripture calls Our Lord the cornerstone(1 Peter 2:4). Can the Lord be identified as the Rock? Sure but we also have to acknowledge that Jesus was declaring that Peter was “the rock” upon which He would build His Church.
Beyond the grammatical evidence, the structure of the narrative does not allow for a downplaying of Peter’s role in the Church. Look at the way Matthew 16:15-19 is structured. After Peter gives a confession about the identity of Jesus, the Lord does the same in return for Peter. Jesus does not say, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are an insignificant pebble and on this rock I will build my Church. . . . I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven." Jesus is giving Peter a three-fold blessing, including the gift of the keys to the kingdom, not undermining his authority. To say that Jesus is downplaying Peter flies in the face of the context. Jesus is installing Peter as a form of chief steward or prime minister under the King of Kings by giving him the keys to the kingdom. As can be seen in Isaiah 22:22, kings in the Old Testament appointed a chief steward to serve under them in a position of great authority to rule over the inhabitants of the kingdom. Jesus quotes almost verbatum from this passage in Isaiah, and so it is clear what he has in mind. He is raising Peter up as a father figure to the household of faith (Is. 22:21), to lead them and guide the flock (John 21:15-17). This authority of the prime minister under the king was passed on from one man to another down through the ages by the giving of the keys, which were worn on the shoulder as a sign of authority. Likewise, the authority of Peter has been passed down for 2000 years by means of the papacy.
Petros vs Petra Jesus spoke aramaic not Greek. The Aramaic leaves no room for the Petros/Petra distinction. In Aramaic the work for rock is Kepha(rock) and upon this Kepha(rock) I will build my church.
Why does the Greek use two different words? because the Greek word for rock is feminine. The translator gave petra a masculine ending and rendered it petros. Petros was the preexisting word meaning "small stone".
The Greek text is a translation of Jesus' words, which were actually spoken in Aramaic. Aramaic only had one word for rock, kephas (which is why Peter is often called Cephas in the Bible). The word Kephas in Aramaic means "huge rock." The Aramaic word for "little stone" is "evna," and Peter was not called "Evna" or "Envas" or anything like that. In Aramaic, Jesus said "You are Peter (Kephas) and upon this rock (kephas) I will build my Church." The metaphor worked well in Aramaic where nouns are neither feminine or masculine, but in Greek, the noun "rock" was feminine, and therefore unsuitable as a name for Peter. So the Aramaic wordKephas was translated to the masculine name Petros when it referred to Peter, and to the feminine noun petra when it referred to the rock. In ancient Koine Greek, petra and petros were total synonyms, unlike modern Attic Greek and unlike Ionic Greek which was about 400 year before Christ.
"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
" Matthew 16:18 Notice that Jesus said 'church' (singular), and not 'churches' (multiple) in that verse.
Do you believe that Jesus Christ founded only one Church and promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against it, meaning that it will last forever?
If you answered 'no' then you are firmly entrenched in John 6:66
simply because you do not believe He who said it.
"Amen, amen, I say to you, he who enters not by the door to the sheepfold, but climbs up another way, is a thief and a robber.
But he who enters by the door is shepherd of the sheep." John 10:1-2 The sheepfold represents His Church.
Are you in the sheepfold, the one Church that He founded? Or did you 'climb up another way' by entering a church founded by a mere human person?
Do you believe what Jesus said in those two verses?
"I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,
that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.
" John 17:20-23 What part of the word 'one' is simply not understood by so many?
Do you agree that there is only ONE true Church that Jesus Christ founded?
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
" Luke 11:23 Are you 'gathered' into the one Church that Jesus founded?
Or are you scattered among the other 40,000+ sects not founded by God that call themselves Christian?
Those who do not follow His words, 'that they may be one' are those that scatter. Aren't those who left Him in John 6:66, scatterers?
"Jesus said to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father, but by me.
" John 14:6 Do you believe Him when He said, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life'? Do you believe that He is the truth?
If so, why are you not in His Church?
"You search the Scriptures, because in them you think that you have life everlasting.
And it is they that bear witness to Me, yet you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life
." John 5:39-40 You come to Him by entering His one Church, the only Church with God given authority to speak in the behalf of God Himself. .
"So Jesus said to them,
" Matthew 18:15-17 Which Church, His Church which has all truth or those human person founded sects which only have some of it?
"And other sheep I have that are not of this fold. Them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.
" John 10:16 That one verse expresses the theme of this entire page. Are you one of the sheep who are not of His fold?
Jesus is pleading to us by saying I MUST BRING His 'other sheep' to His ONE FOLD and ONE SHEPHERD.
Those who are not in His ONE FOLD are not listening to Him and so are firmly entrenched in the 666 Club.
"Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also wish to go away?" Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life;
" John 6:67-68 Do those verses say it all to you??? If so then we all must belong to the ONE FOLD with one Shepherd and have eternal life, or be forever a member of Club 666. The choice is yours😃😃
The church you refer to is the apostate church. Peter did not start or create the Vatican. It is NOT devoted to scriptural doctrine. The whole world knows they reject scripture and obey the pope, even unto rejecting and rewriting God's commandments.
@@rickmarvelli9238 You Mean these commandments New American Bible Catholic Bible 😆😆
Chapter 20
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1 Then God delivered all these commandments:
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"I, the LORD, am your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.
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You shall not have other gods besides me.
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You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth;
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2 you shall not bow down before them or worship them. For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation;
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but bestowing mercy down to the thousandth generation, on the children of those who love me and keep my commandments.
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"You shall not take the name of the LORD, your God, in vain. For the LORD will not leave unpunished him who takes his name in vain.
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"Remember to keep holy the sabbath day.
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Six days you may labor and do all your work,
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but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD, your God. No work may be done then either by you, or your son or daughter, or your male or female slave, or your beast, or by the alien who lives with you.
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In six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD has blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
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"Honor your father and your mother, that you may have a long life in the land which the LORD, your God, is giving you.
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"You shall not kill.
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"You shall not commit adultery.
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"You shall not steal.
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"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
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"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male or female slave, nor his ox or ass, nor anything else that belongs to him."
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When the people witnessed the thunder and lightning, the trumpet blast and the mountain smoking, they all feared and trembled. So they took up a position much farther away
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and said to Moses, "You speak to us, and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we shall die."
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Moses answered the people, "Do not be afraid, for God has come to you only to test you and put his fear upon you, lest you should sin."
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Still the people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the cloud where God was.
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The LORD told Moses, "Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: You have seen for yourselves that I have spoken to you from heaven.
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Do not make anything to rank with me; neither gods of silver nor gods of gold shall you make for yourselves.
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3 "An altar of earth you shall make for me, and upon it you shall sacrifice your holocausts and peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen. In whatever place I choose for the remembrance of my name I will come to you and bless you.
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If you make an altar of stone for me, do not build it of cut stone, for by putting a tool to it you desecrate it.
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You shall not go up by steps to my altar, on which you must not be indecently uncovered.
Jesus is the rock. Stop the nonsense
Peter was never the rock. Jesus is the rock. Jesus was not the founder of the catholic church
Jesus is a fictional character.
@methodius--9405
If you have evidence that the Bible figure known as Jesus existed, provide it.
However, it is an absolute fact that there is literally no contemporaneous evidence that Jesus ever existed.
Paul made up the Jesus fiction in 48 AD after the Daniel 9:25 prophesy failed to fulfill.
Shouldn't we expect that if God was walking around town for thirty years that the locals would have noticed at the time?
Fun fact: none of the Gospel authors witnessed Jesus.
Tell that to HIM yourself when HE comes to judge the world.
@@twitherspoon8954 What do you call evidence?
@@themostamazingwoman
The only Bible author who claimed to have seen Jesus is Paul who asserted he met him in a vision and described him as being a bright light. Paul actually stated that his sources were non-human, "...the gospel I preached is not of human origin." (Galatians 1:11-12).
The Jesus story began in 48 AD with the first of the Pauline Epistles (which comprise nearly half of the New Testament books) when Paul realized the Daniel 9:25 prophesy of a messiah expired without fulfilling so he made one up decades later and set the story decades in the past matching Jewish expectations of the messiah to make the prophesy seem true.
The fulfillment of the Daniel 9:25 prophecy written in 444 BC was the test of the true messiah. By 48 AD it was known that the prophecy of a messiah coming in "seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" had not occurred on the prophesied date. It was the 69th Week and the 70th Week was soon to come. The prophesied messiah was expected and the anticipation set off a messiah craze.
"Seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" is, 7 plus 60 plus 2 equals 69 total weeks. One prophetic week equals seven biblical years of 360 days (the Julian calendar was created centuries later), so 7 times 69 equals 483 total biblical years beginning with Artaxerxes' decree in 444 BC. Those 483 biblical years equal 173,880 days, or 476 Julian years. Therefore the Messiah would come and be "cut off" in AD 33. One prophetic week equaling seven Biblical years is something “Daniel” invented in about 165 BC, effectively an admission that Jeremiah 25:11-12 failed.
Paul made up the entire Jesus story and added historical figures, locations, and events to add authenticity.
In the Galatians "road to Damascus" conversion vision tale written in 48 AD he claimed to have gone to the Arabian desert to study the Old Testament for 17 years to align with the Daniel 9:25 prophecy.
Paul's goal was to garner support for the insurrection against the Romans which began in 46 AD led by two brothers, Jacob and Simon, in the Judea province. The revolt, mainly in the Galilee, began as sporadic insurgency until it climaxed in 48 AD when it was quickly put down by Roman authorities. Both Simon and Jacob were executed.
He created the fiction of having witnessed the risen messiah. He wanted to show that the messiah had come as prophesied but was murdered by the Romans. This was to entice the Gentiles to aid in the Jews' rebellion against the Romans.
@@giorgirazmadze5102
_"What do you call evidence?"_
Just provide the single-best evidence you have that convinced you that Jesus existed.