The Further Reaches of Adult Development - Robert Kegan
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Robert Kegan's theory of adult meaning-making has influenced theory and practice internationally across multiple disciplines. In a special RSA event, he considers: is it really possible to grow beyond the psychological independence of the "self-authoring mind," so often seen as the zenith of adult development?
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The order of adult development is clarified even more with Kegan addressing the stages. His examples are helpful and ingrain a valuable understanding of his "Theory of Adult Development."
needs more likes for such a pioneering talk. brilliant way of leading us to think about the grand scheme of things
Brilliant. Robert Kegan presents a big idea that no one on this planet should ignore.
Loved this talk, human development is the only way forward!
View A: What this focuses on; that people continue to grow mentally through there life and enter new phases of perspective even as far as middle age and on. The with age comes a change in perspective, new and potentially revolutionary ideas.
View B: Many revolutionaries had their big ideas when they were still very young (pre-30) and so this age is the catalyst for revolutionaries. A phase of balance between curiosity, risk-taking and new understanding. Then as we age our impact decreases.
If you find this talk long and conventional, you’re right, but be sure to stick to the end. He is building up to a great insight!
Kegan has been developing the theory and application since the 1980's.
Check out Constructed Development Theory by Stevens (2020) as it takes Bob's work even further...
This video has such interesting ideas. I'll be turning these over in my head for some time. Thanks
Love it. Thank you. Bob is so passionate!I am inspired.
I love this so much. Keep coming back for more.
Really interesting and thought provoking theory.
Chills at 15:40. Bravo!
Good discussion of Professor Kegan's theory can be found in Jay Barbuto's RUclips video series. Kegan has been developing this theory a
It's a bit of a romantic theory - that this fourth order is a communal biological response that is natural for this stage in our sentient development. You can search for meaning too hard. One might just as easily suggest that those past middle age aren't quite so passionate about their internal ideologies as they have less time left and want to live and let live. I don't see much indication that this age group (why is it so strictly tied to middle age anyway?) are vigorously improving the world.
He's not saying that people that age are working on this problem. He's saying that people don't start working on this problem until after they pass that age. Big difference. Not all Middle-Aged People are able to change who they are in order to save the world.
Obviously there are more views. But I tried to succinctly explain the distinction between them. I personally think that there is less of a significance of age and the states of mind that both views have an affinity for can occur at almost any age with different people.
This feels like Erickson’s 8 Stages of Psychosocial Development
combined with the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, with some additional assertions about the 5th order that don't really seem to be founded in any clear scientific basis. Not sure if I'm not seeing something here?
It's interesting to bring up the argument of some enlightenment transcendence that occurs late in life when most industries (from the sciences to the economics to the creative arts) have continued to battle with the idea that many people make there revolutionary ideas and perspectives at a young age and in general don't set the world on fire late in life. It is interesting to know that proponents of both views would describe the other with toxicity. Certainly the answer must be a part of both.
I kind of do see them both working. Because we physically can't interact with a large amount of people a day. Only though social media. Hypothetically my vision of the future is large university complex's where people can choose to learn and pursue there passions. It wouldn't be mandatory, but just like education today a certain level would be required. Then people would be able to freely live as desired. Basic needs would be met etc. Family complexes and communities would be the norm.
Switched on talk, for switched on people. Awesome.
Love to see a practical framework mentioned here for basically theoretical discussion: how do we merge east and west beliefs?
I would tell you to look at Sam Harris or Ken Wilber
Carl jungs aion
@@denske1272 Ken Wilber indeed! Kegan, I guess, is an integralist.
Robert Kegan is an absolute hero. @goodathleteproject
Yeah. There is SOME relationship between age, perspective shift and impact. However, I believe that barring emotional impairment, a person can proceed through the phases quite quickly. This is why we have education. It's supposed to train us in how to interact and perceive the world in ways that are effective. Does education accomplish this? That's another subject.
But I tend to relate these states of mind to stages of development, often triggered by, but not directly relate to age.
Education does not cause this kind of development. In fact, anymore, it's holding it back.
My dwelling is in the unimagined
So, please, before going further ...put that in to your minds as well. Namaste.
Let me explain adult development. We are only shaped by our traumas if were stupid enough not to understand without emotional bias, judgment, admiration, shame, or personal bias based on influence. Our past makes us who we are; if we dont understand and relate with ourselves in a positive way, how on earth can we expect to understand and relate to others. Trauma is unavoidable, responce to trauma is the only possible way to develop into a good mature adult. Understanding the knowledge you retreive is absolutely important in order for this to occour. Understanding can not be obtained with judgment, personal or emotional bias, shame, admiration, these are the dabilities the human mind faces to this day. Question everything... Understand everything.
I understand that my ideal doesn't fit within today's paradigm, but it's more so just a fantasy to me. I could go into further detail, but I'm kinda limited on youtube.
It's fun to dream about the possibilities the future holds.
Plus... if it was not for all the polution, drugs = chemical medicine, steroids, antibiotics, gmo foods, stress factors, misstreating animals etc etc PERHAPS in fact even many animals AND us "humans" (calling ourselves the most intelligent spiecy on top of this) would LIVE EVEN LONGER and WITH GREAT HEALTH AND VITALITY!
This is great thing 👍
short-circuit to self-transforming mind: debilitating chronic depression
anthropology shows that we have already had the kind of societies that are governed by experience and wisdom, the elder society of tribes. and even today most senior politicians are senior citizens, and no wisdom or post-self-authoring seems to be coming from them. all this goes to show that the structures and institutions of society are crucial to social outcomes, not necessarily how old people are. and btw, most trump voters, fox news viewers and tea party members are senior citizens, which is evidence directly refuting kegan's claims on transcending the self-authoring phase of development as we age.
Well, you there show little progress on development. How do you know that they are not correct and you are the one that needs to grow into better ideas? Or perhaps you know better than Kegan and old people are not wiser…
Phenomenal.
p sure self transforming mind can form b4 mid life tho just depends on speed+quality of thought
I O W... QUALITY LIFE ...even at older ages!
Vale a pena assistir!
Yeah. I see a pull in both directions. I think most progressive thinkers tend toward the Global Society while conservative thinkers tend toward the Tribal Society.
I do not foresee these 2 frames of thinking co-existing in the future world and the future demands Global thinking. Hopefully, I'll be able to live for the next 500 years to see it unfold. They just need to hurry up and make the Genome Project medically useful!
Wish Kegan looked at his audience rather than his computer. This seems to be a speech which is part of a longer speech, hence the backing and forthing of the slides. I'm a big fan and follower of Kegan but this is not Kegan at his best.
What is the name of the echer's painting? pls :)
With all his big expensive words he is saying "be aware of our survival unconsciousness, a attribute of our collective unconscious growing wiser reaching towards ultimate enlightenment."
Kegan has been deb
Is something we can do with work or is an innate intelligence needed
Time for paradoxical logic
"know ye not that ye are gods"
nise
00:26
"...there are no more important work to do." What if we hand out psychedelic education and psychedelics? That'll help others evolve their consciousness.
We're living longer so we can find a way to make the world a better place? Why? So we can live longer?
Dear Miskee,
Please let me know how my death could make you happier. So that I know my sacrifice would not be in vain. As a hippie, I am also learning to direct my best thoughts towards those who wish to enter in arguments with me, therefore I sincerely hope that
you may be well,
you may be happy,
you may be peaceful,
you may be loved.
Sincerely. Marco [spiritual hippie, slayer of trolls]
He's too timid apparently to come right out and say "spirituality, and a reverence for Divinity". The questioner at the end seems to want a political " solution".
Both of those are from a lower order. They've both been tried. Multiple times. And they didn't work.
lol!
Sounds like he took acid, btw this talk felt rather low lvl'd, intellectually. But entierly plausible ofc.
Embarrassingly New Agey for an academic...shame on him!
What a rediculous statement. Bob's talking style is grounded and folksy, not New Agey. Please get out of your head and into your body more often.