New design - Chair Frame Pack
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Here's a run down of the prototype chair frame pack, packed with other concept products for a full kit to go winter camping. This video was made mostly for the benefit of a few people who have inquired on the progress of this project.
This is great! I think the more you can make each piece of kit function as multiple the better. Especially because you're working with heavier materials. What a set up!! Thanks for the breakdown.
Brilliant idea
Honestly I think there are better options for the chair and frame (although it's really good that anyone can make it easily) but the sudden conversion of your backpack in to your bed and included poncho really blew my mind. Just brilliant.
Thanks. Can you say more about the better options of the chair and frame?
@@Peakoilcompany Ignoring cost and the DIY aspect and looking at it purely from a weight and convenience perspective a dedicated lightweight frame and Helinox chair are a better option for me.
The chair packs up extremely small, sets up very quickly, is tough as nails and super comfortable. I suspect the weight of my ALICE frame and Helinox Chair One combined would be less than the chair/frame you showed in this video. The seat section of the Helinox could be replaced with a custom made 100% cotton canvas and while there is some plastic in the frame it's minimal and has been through so much abuse that I can't ever imagine it breaking in my lifetime.
@@buggeredduck thanks, understood. I've used the same chair. It does sink in the sand a bit, but it's very comfortable.
The chair in this video is a prototype, more a sketch really. I plan to make art least 3 different chair designs to a standard dimension to use as a pack frame. The target weight of the chair frame, harness and canvas bag/bed is under 4kg, with a 90L internal capacity.
That's comparable to today's heavy duty canvas packs, but yes, the large Alice with helinox chair would be lighter.
@@Peakoilcompany yeah that's the one disadvantage I have found as well however most places I camp sinking hasn't been much of a problem.
If you can manage that great you're actually pretty close. A standard large Alice pack setup is about 2.5kg I think is what I measured but with the more padded aftermarket straps and the custom bag I was looking at making from cotton canvas it's more like 3 kilos and the chair without its bag is 960g so there's your 4 kilos.
Then when you take into account that your 4 kg would include a heavy duty ground sheet suddenly you're better off.
@@buggeredduck did I mention the ground sheet converts to a hammock? And the chair frame has wheels for airports.. and the bed converts the bag to an Esky.. and. 🤣
Here I am thinking I've invented something original. I picked up a wooden beach chair very similar at a thrift store. I, too, value a chair when camping. After looking at it i wondered why i couldn't use it for a pack frame. With this in mind, I ran across a couple different back packs and suspension items at mil-surp and more thrift stores. I've not assembled it yet but you have inspired me to get on it. I've also considered how to pack it on my pack mule. Good video.
@@rafterL78 Awesome! I've done a little bit of work on a beach chair concept too, in fact this pack design has three different chairs that can fit into it. I'd love to see images of what you are doing.
I think this shit rocks It’s good to seem some “new” philosophy in backpacking for a hobby centered around leave no trace principles and enjoying the outdoors you think you’d see more push towards reusable / easily repairable and non plastic gear but I don’t think that really aligns with backpacking or consumer philosophy at the moment (I certainly don’t do this).
Yeah, it's interesting isn't it.. there are a few places in our culture where hypocrisy stands out, and this is a big one
Mate this is fantastic. I could see this as being a great snow kit! The added bonus of chair to chill out in (and keep your bum off the snow) would be an amazing experience. I love the bedding system as well.
Thankyou! I hope I can keep working on this development, and get a few prototypes out for us to all have a run with it. You too Luke. See you soon
Just awesome! Thank You for sharing.
Kind regards,
Denis
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment
So good. So much thought. All those natural & healthy fibres! It's hard for me to get exact weight measurements out on the trail but I know exactly what you mean by uncomfortable weight limits. Especially because one of my underlying goals has been to walk for longer periods away from civilisation so I've estimated mine to be 24kg. At that weight I have to seriously assess the terrain I'm up against. I also get signals from my feet (sesamoiditis flare ups) and other discomforts that my body's struggling with the load so for winter pack loads I do try and stay in the low 20's.
Yes, fair enough.
I think I could get this weight down, maybe to 25, with freeze dried food, smaller sheepskin and blankets, maybe no thermos, etc, but 20.. I don't think I could get to 20 for a week, even with plastics.. but people do it. I don't know how..
I use two long staffs when packing heavy loads, like leki but longer.
I think what you are doing is actually cutting-edge research for the future of outdoor gear. Couple years ago I used to see people who were arguing against plastics as esoterical-ish hippies. Now I have quickly become one of them. I often look at things in life from an engineering perspective: As long as there is no strong circular economy in place, where plastic recycling works extremely well and covering for all its uses, I am no longer buying clothing that contains plastics and try to avoid plastics in all my gear as much as possible. A bit of it will always scrub off, tear, get washed out in a washing machine ... and irreversibly end up in nature. I love what you're doing!
@@kingsgambit thankyou very much for this comment. It revs me up to see this.
Right now, I'm visiting a back country skiing festival. It's nice. A small little gathering passionate about a hearty form of refrain. Unsurprisingly though, there's a lot of sponsorship perpetuating that high tech futurism based entirely on plastics and chemistry. I came for one talk though, about the first skiers in this area, nearly 100 years ago. I'm fascinated by the equipment and the spirit I imagine they had in those times. I like to imagine where we might have come to today, from then, if plastics weren't invented. Might we have maintained a connection to the heritage they passed.. maybe even a tradition of making our own. Perhaps we'd be more involved with our equipment, and carry a very different attitude for this thing we do. Perhaps globalised industrialism wouldn't have happened. Perhaps things were highly refined, for those who could afford it.
At some point though, an abrupt voice wakes me up, scoffing, wanting to remind me of the one linear idea of progress we all agree on, and that I should be thankful for how good we have these days... But I'm a glass half empty kinda of guy when it comes to that.
Thank you for your comment. It's very motivating.
@@Peakoilcompany I couldn't agree more with you! Also, don't get me wrong, plastics are great materials with superb qualities for many applications. But somehow we started applying them to everything and we didnt consider lifecycle solutions. We better get that under control quickly. In my opinion, everything that can be done well with natural materials should be done from them, so you dont have to think about what happens when they wear off. And it's true, we have made a crazy fast technological leap. Maybe even too fast for our own good, so now we have to "correct" a few many things to get back on track. Hope we can do that, as a world. You are certainly helping it!