THANK YOU SO MUCH you have no idea how long I've been trying to figure out the mic placement, mixing, drums used, tunings, etc for this song this video answered my prayers
It's really close but if you look at pictures from the session they used overheads in an xy pattern but there are also some clips of them using the overheads as a spaced pair and the close miked the snare toms and kick with one mic each.
*MID 90s. This was obviously Weezer's attenpt to approximate the drum sound on In Utero - which, although not wildly different from Sufer Rosa (another, earlier Albini album, and Cobain's model for IU's drum sound), still was very distinctive and unusually raw for the time, esp. on a huge commercial album. The drums were basically the entire Sound if In Utero, and that sound almost instantly set a new paradigm for alt rock. Pibkerton as a whole, sonically and lyrically, was Cuomo's attenpt at doing his own In Utero. TOS drums sound like the work of Joe Barresi - one of the several engineers on the record - esp. as they sound like blown-up preamps, one of his favorite techniques..
Yeah it’s 100% the Steve Albini drum sound. Especially the snare (which to me always sounds like someone hitting a tree with a wooden baseball bat or something, really cuts through a mix but sounds kinda weird).
I've never watched any Reverb drum content since I'm a guitarist but this has always been one of my favorite recorded drum sounds. Love how it sounds like whole track is right on the edge of complete distortion. The segue from this song to Getchoo is glorious. Thanks for this.
Not sure what "heavy handed" refers to - but Butch Vig engineered and produced that, and he uses traditional EQ and Compression like anyone else. Of course - POV, and subjectivity are always paramount - so I'd have to watch Rick Beato's interview with Butch to refresh what he recalls about those sessions. 🤘🏻
@@kurdtjohn Agreed!! Butch being a drummer himself - he typically keeps the drums sounding very real - SUPER fat and detailed, but not synthetic for sure 👊🏼
FYI, for people looking for more info on the technique used for the "room" mics from this video it's technically called a "Blumlein Pair" when it's using two matched bi-directional mics like this. An X/Y pair is typically considered to use two cardioid microphones. Not to be the annoying terminology person, but they are technically two different techniques as the bi-directional pattern gives a lot more acoustic reflections and if you tell most engineers to set up an "XY pair" they will usually grab a pair of cardioid mics and you won't get this sound.
@@EGCEADtuning2 So did they just use a misnomer and implement a "blumlein pair" or did they actually use an X/Y pair for the video? Either way, it sounds great
@@quarryqwerty They just used a misnomer. The STC/Coles 4038 is a bi-directional ribbon mic, making it a proper beautiful Blumlein pair. It definitely does sound great though; that's one of my all-time favorite stereo setups.
I was JUST about to add this clarification - I don't think it comes off as negative - it's just factual and informative - esp since these videos are formatted as Tutorials or at least Informative Exploration/ Examination. Thanks! Cheers! 👊🏼 Nice job as always Jessica and Noam 🤘🏻
The kit on Pinkerton was fully mic’ed up. Look up the video Weezer - Weezer Goes To Van Nuys: The Making Of Pinkerton There was a front of kit mic, which is probably the mono overhead sound. It’s weird to make this video without doing research at all.
I wish you would have talked about the performance side in addition to the engineering, because Jessica wailing on the cymbals as 90s rock drummers did is a crucial ingredient from what I'm hearing. The snare is buried beneath those clanging hi-hats which aids the lo-fi vibe.
This would be incredible! I swear I read that some of their drum sound or rhythm was due to overdubbing and timing leading to unintended polyrhythms but would be VERY COOL to see how Reverb tries to recreate it.
I think the Teenage Dirtbag drums would be an interesting episode for this. They apparently used some really weird specific isolation to get the snare sound right
Charlie Watts's drums on Tattoo you (hang fire), or bridges to Babylon (flip the switch), or exile on main st. (loving cup) are super interesting, the world NEEDS a video on this. now, hurry, no exceptions HURRY. Would love to see how Jessica interprets charlies no hi hat on the backbeat technique which could carry the video as is. But theres some great production on the albums listed above definitely would make an interesting breakdown! He used a gretsch g4160 with 42 strand wires from 1969 up to the 80s, after that i think it was various ludwig snares. Anyway ive always been super curious, please do one of these! 😃
This is real fun! I remember seeing footage of Weezer recording Pinkerton on that Video Capture DVD. I wonder if any of that footage could shed more light on what they used.
This might be a little obscure but I would love to see you guys tackle the drum sound from Cameo-Parkway! Those records like Mashed Potato Time, The-Cha-Cha-Cha and The Wah Watusi have a sound unlike anything else being done in the early 1960s! That would be such a treat to see the breakdown of those sounds. Thanks for all you guys have done so far!
Hello all. Steven here. Today i woke up and i realized something. There seems to be a common sentiment that Charlie Watts's drums on Tattoo you (hang fire), or bridges to Babylon (flip the switch), or exile on main st. (loving cup) are super interesting, the world NEEDS a video on this. now, hurry, no exceptions HURRY. Would love to see how Jessica interprets charlies no hi hat on the backbeat technique which could carry the video as is. But theres some great production on the albums listed above definitely would make an interesting breakdown! He used a gretsch g4160 with 42 strand wires from 1969 up to the 80s, after that i think it was various ludwig snares. Anyway ive always been super curious, please do one of these! Steven out.
Awesome to see this one! Great tone. I wonder if you guys could cover Lydia's Illuminate drum sound (really any song on that album, can't narrow it down to one). Drums sound huge at the climaxes.
Great drum sound as always! Please consider to face the drum sound of "wake me up" from The Foals... it would be amazing! I'm just too curious about that huuuuge kinda electronic kick drum sound 😍
Hello ! Can you do the drum sound at the end of the song "Siberian break" by mgmt ? With the echo and flanger or whatever, i can't figure out what it is actually...
imo more distortion (like clipping) on the kick and snare and it would be way closer although the kick in the original kinda sounds stereo even with that dist on it so maybe 2 mics on the kick with equal dist but in x-y pattern or something
I’d really like to hear you all attempt an iconic Black Sabbath drum tone. In a very old school way. Such as Children of the Grave or Snowblind or even something more streamlined like Paranoid
Hi Jess and Noam, hey how about the drum sound on The Outfield's Play Deep album??? I read somewhere that they used an AMS delay on the snare channel with an extremely short delay to trigger an electronic drum module... it would be a treat to see you replicate that. Cheers!!!
The trouble with so much of the modern rock production today, however - is that there is so much sound replacement/ sampled drums in the mixing stage. Even if the actual full band did perform all the tracks - the mixing engineer is very often supplementing or replacing drum sounds wholesale. Great production on that album though, for sure!
@@xdoctorblindx first album is 2 drum mics apparently, rostom replied in a thread somewhere which you can find on google. Kick mic and a neumann tlm 102 i think in a carpeted room
This is very obscure and I know you’ve covered the Smashing Pumpkins before, but I’d love to know how they got the drum sound on Machina II, specifically songs like Lucky 13 and Slow Dawn.
figure 8 mics in an XY placement, aka Blumlein. Looks like they may have been off center from the kick drum yeah? More the technique of putting them in line with both the kick and snare?
Please do Oasis, Definitely Maybe drum sounds. Shaker maker has like a weird kick sound, almost like a dance track, very subby. I don't know if it's the eq, pumping compression, delay.
I'm a bit of a hack when it comes to recording, but to me it does sound like theres a reso head, even if ported, on the bass drum. I know coles pick up A LOT of bass drum info and this could be what im hearing, but it does sound too resonant to be only one head, maybe im hearing tape distortion on the bass drum mic? Who knows..
I think half the sound of the drums on Pinkerton is the room. Wasn't it sound city? You can't really replicate that. It is the best rock room drum sound in the world.
I didn't think you guys would actually do the Pinkerton "drum sound" so this is a very pleasant surprise. Thanks a lot, Jessica and Noam!
THANK YOU SO MUCH you have no idea how long I've been trying to figure out the mic placement, mixing, drums used, tunings, etc for this song this video answered my prayers
It's really close but if you look at pictures from the session they used overheads in an xy pattern but there are also some clips of them using the overheads as a spaced pair and the close miked the snare toms and kick with one mic each.
@@luisr.c7099 thanks for the info! I've tried looking at photos and videos numerous times but couldn't exactly pick out the mic placements
the drum sound of the downward spiral by nine inch nails would be absolutely amazing
*MID 90s. This was obviously Weezer's attenpt to approximate the drum sound on In Utero - which, although not wildly different from Sufer Rosa (another, earlier Albini album, and Cobain's model for IU's drum sound), still was very distinctive and unusually raw for the time, esp. on a huge commercial album. The drums were basically the entire Sound if In Utero, and that sound almost instantly set a new paradigm for alt rock. Pibkerton as a whole, sonically and lyrically, was Cuomo's attenpt at doing his own In Utero.
TOS drums sound like the work of Joe Barresi - one of the several engineers on the record - esp. as they sound like blown-up preamps, one of his favorite techniques..
Yeah it’s 100% the Steve Albini drum sound. Especially the snare (which to me always sounds like someone hitting a tree with a wooden baseball bat or something, really cuts through a mix but sounds kinda weird).
It was actually flaming lips influenced which is why they worked with Dave Fridmann.
This would have been an INCREDIBLE sample pack. Thank you so much for breaking the sound down!
THANK YOU SO MUCH THIS IS MY FAVORITE WEEZER DRUM SOUND EVER I'VE BEEN OGGLING OVER THIS FOR YEARS!!!
I've never watched any Reverb drum content since I'm a guitarist but this has always been one of my favorite recorded drum sounds. Love how it sounds like whole track is right on the edge of complete distortion. The segue from this song to Getchoo is glorious. Thanks for this.
The drum sound off Gish by the smashing pumpkins would be perfect for this series
Oh hell yes. One of my favorite drum sounds ever - no heavy-handed doctoring to the drums on that record.
Not sure what "heavy handed" refers to - but Butch Vig engineered and produced that, and he uses traditional EQ and Compression like anyone else. Of course - POV, and subjectivity are always paramount - so I'd have to watch Rick Beato's interview with Butch to refresh what he recalls about those sessions. 🤘🏻
@@bigkickleoI meant the drums are not too processed like most of their contemporaries. On Gish, the drums sounded so natural and so raw.
@@kurdtjohn Agreed!! Butch being a drummer himself - he typically keeps the drums sounding very real - SUPER fat and detailed, but not synthetic for sure 👊🏼
them big star shuffles. let's go!
FYI, for people looking for more info on the technique used for the "room" mics from this video it's technically called a "Blumlein Pair" when it's using two matched bi-directional mics like this. An X/Y pair is typically considered to use two cardioid microphones. Not to be the annoying terminology person, but they are technically two different techniques as the bi-directional pattern gives a lot more acoustic reflections and if you tell most engineers to set up an "XY pair" they will usually grab a pair of cardioid mics and you won't get this sound.
I absolutely love these videos though, great job Jessica & Noam! Don't wanna be overly negative here.
@@EGCEADtuning2 So did they just use a misnomer and implement a "blumlein pair" or did they actually use an X/Y pair for the video? Either way, it sounds great
@@quarryqwerty They just used a misnomer. The STC/Coles 4038 is a bi-directional ribbon mic, making it a proper beautiful Blumlein pair. It definitely does sound great though; that's one of my all-time favorite stereo setups.
I was JUST about to add this clarification - I don't think it comes off as negative - it's just factual and informative - esp since these videos are formatted as Tutorials or at least Informative Exploration/ Examination. Thanks! Cheers! 👊🏼 Nice job as always Jessica and Noam 🤘🏻
theyre not exactly blumlein, i think one of them needs turning upside down to be 100% blumlein
This is great! This recording has been my favorite drum sound for decades.
the combo of Dave Fridmann engineering and Jack Joseph Puig mixing this song was such a perfect marriage
Thank u guys, and thanks for the shoutout! You do a spectacular job
I think Obstacle 1 or PDA by Interpol would be good song choices ! That album has amazing drums and is honestly one of the best debut albums ever
Thank you!!! One of my favorite drum sounds ever.
LOVE this. One of my favorite drum sounds and records.
The kit on Pinkerton was fully mic’ed up. Look up the video Weezer - Weezer Goes To Van Nuys: The Making Of Pinkerton
There was a front of kit mic, which is probably the mono overhead sound.
It’s weird to make this video without doing research at all.
I wish you would have talked about the performance side in addition to the engineering, because Jessica wailing on the cymbals as 90s rock drummers did is a crucial ingredient from what I'm hearing. The snare is buried beneath those clanging hi-hats which aids the lo-fi vibe.
Ttthhhhaaannnkkkk yyyyoooouuuuuuu. This is one of my favorite bombastic drum sounds. Kudos!
The Can drum sound would be awesome. Jaki Liebezeit was the GOAT 🐐
Vitamin C!
This would be incredible! I swear I read that some of their drum sound or rhythm was due to overdubbing and timing leading to unintended polyrhythms but would be VERY COOL to see how Reverb tries to recreate it.
Awesome drum sound on that album, great choice
An episode on Heart Don't Stand a Chance by Anderson .Paak would be absolutely amazing!
I think the Teenage Dirtbag drums would be an interesting episode for this. They apparently used some really weird specific isolation to get the snare sound right
Have you seen their current live drum set up, it's bonkers!
YESSSSS WHAT AN AWESOME DRUM SOUND TO PICK DOING!!!!!
Such a great sound and production all around on that album
The drum sound in the song Afureru by Japanese band Tricot is really good. Would love to see that covered.
huge song, i agree
I heard Weezer and came first
story of my life
Charlie Watts's drums on Tattoo you (hang fire), or bridges to Babylon (flip the switch), or exile on main st. (loving cup) are super interesting, the world NEEDS a video on this. now, hurry, no exceptions HURRY. Would love to see how Jessica interprets charlies no hi hat on the backbeat technique which could carry the video as is. But theres some great production on the albums listed above definitely would make an interesting breakdown! He used a gretsch g4160 with 42 strand wires from 1969 up to the 80s, after that i think it was various ludwig snares. Anyway ive always been super curious, please do one of these! 😃
This is real fun!
I remember seeing footage of Weezer recording Pinkerton on that Video Capture DVD. I wonder if any of that footage could shed more light on what they used.
The Sound city studio room is that sound
This might be a little obscure but I would love to see you guys tackle the drum sound from Cameo-Parkway! Those records like Mashed Potato Time, The-Cha-Cha-Cha and The Wah Watusi have a sound unlike anything else being done in the early 1960s! That would be such a treat to see the breakdown of those sounds. Thanks for all you guys have done so far!
Hello all. Steven here. Today i woke up and i realized something. There seems to be a common sentiment that Charlie Watts's drums on Tattoo you (hang fire), or bridges to Babylon (flip the switch), or exile on main st. (loving cup) are super interesting, the world NEEDS a video on this. now, hurry, no exceptions HURRY. Would love to see how Jessica interprets charlies no hi hat on the backbeat technique which could carry the video as is. But theres some great production on the albums listed above definitely would make an interesting breakdown! He used a gretsch g4160 with 42 strand wires from 1969 up to the 80s, after that i think it was various ludwig snares. Anyway ive always been super curious, please do one of these! Steven out.
I like the way you think Steven!
Yes!! Thank you to the people who kept asking for this song.
Wow I can’t believe they actually covered this. Sick.
Awesome to see this one! Great tone. I wonder if you guys could cover Lydia's Illuminate drum sound (really any song on that album, can't narrow it down to one). Drums sound huge at the climaxes.
Great drum sound as always! Please consider to face the drum sound of "wake me up" from The Foals... it would be amazing! I'm just too curious about that huuuuge kinda electronic kick drum sound 😍
Best drum sound i've ever heard is Web in front by Archers of Loaf. Been trying to figure out that sound for YEARS!
another albini session! hope the reverb guys cover him soon as theres a lot of talk of him in these comments!
Never expected a Pinkerton video love it though
Please do Hanging Around by The Cardigans or any of the songs on Gran Tourismo! There are all sorts of crazy drum sounds!
Please do Damaged Goods by Gang of Four. The streets need this.😭😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏
Hello ! Can you do the drum sound at the end of the song "Siberian break" by mgmt ? With the echo and flanger or whatever, i can't figure out what it is actually...
That kit is crazy! Sounds great! Big fat nose punch. Love that kick and snare. Please find other ways to utilize that kit. 🎶🎶🌈🌅🎶🎶🔊💐💐🦋🦋💜🧡
imo more distortion (like clipping) on the kick and snare and it would be way closer
although the kick in the original kinda sounds stereo even with that dist on it so maybe 2 mics on the kick with equal dist but in x-y pattern or something
Yeah the Pinkerton drum sound is distortion even more so than a lot of compression.
please do XTC - Making Plans for Nigel
yes!!!!
YES
VERY MUCH YES
OH MY GOD IT WORKED
I’d really like to hear you all attempt an iconic Black Sabbath drum tone. In a very old school way.
Such as Children of the Grave or Snowblind or even something more streamlined like Paranoid
no fucking way lol, one of my favorite drum sounds
Please do the White Stripes!
Hi Jess and Noam, hey how about the drum sound on The Outfield's Play Deep album??? I read somewhere that they used an AMS delay on the snare channel with an extremely short delay to trigger an electronic drum module... it would be a treat to see you replicate that. Cheers!!!
Pat Wilson never gets much love, but I've always loved his drumming style and little chops he pops into the first 2 Weezer albums.
his drumming was also great on maladroit
Awesome. Request video for Daft Punk’s ‘Fragments of Time’
Tony Thompson on The Power Station’s “Some Like It Hot,” please. Huge, huge, tasty drums, and crazy flanged drum overdubs.
Hell yea
Jessica your amazing!
Okay here's a toughie for you: the drum sound in Vampire Weekend's Diane Young.
Any VW song would be cool.
The trouble with so much of the modern rock production today, however - is that there is so much sound replacement/ sampled drums in the mixing stage. Even if the actual full band did perform all the tracks - the mixing engineer is very often supplementing or replacing drum sounds wholesale. Great production on that album though, for sure!
@@xdoctorblindx first album is 2 drum mics apparently, rostom replied in a thread somewhere which you can find on google. Kick mic and a neumann tlm 102 i think in a carpeted room
Quite complicated! That was great
The drums on “Only” by Nine Inch Nails sound so super dry, but huge. Really mixes well with the synths on that track.
Sleater-Kinney - Entertain pretty please! It's massive and toms heavy.
The drum sound from Chamber of Reflection by Mac DeMarco!!
This is very obscure and I know you’ve covered the Smashing Pumpkins before, but I’d love to know how they got the drum sound on Machina II, specifically songs like Lucky 13 and Slow Dawn.
i do feel as if it was missing some distortion, apart from that, scarily similar! sounds just how i remember it.
Nice job, sounds good! No samples to go along with this one?
Thanks for the video. Excellent as always! No samples to download for this one?
Any chance we can get an episode on "radio radio" by Elvis Costello?
figure 8 mics in an XY placement, aka Blumlein. Looks like they may have been off center from the kick drum yeah? More the technique of putting them in line with both the kick and snare?
The drum sound from Creatures of the Night by Kiss would be great
I think it'd be cool if you guys could do the Blue Album drums.
Whats the Pink Silly String looking stuff inside the rack tom? Damper material of some sort?
The drum sound on nonagon infinity by king gizzard!.
Love to hear your reverse-engineering process of this drum sound. Great episode!
This is probably the only Reverb video where you don't have way too much distortion on whatever you're trying to replicate.
Please do Oasis, Definitely Maybe drum sounds. Shaker maker has like a weird kick sound, almost like a dance track, very subby. I don't know if it's the eq, pumping compression, delay.
Todd Rundgren- Zen Archer drum sound please!
Could you try Mornington Creecent by Belle and Sebastian?
PLEASE can you do the drum sound of Khruangbin?
y'all should try out doing the lonesome crowded west by modest mouse, specifically truckers atlas
AGREED
More Time by May Erlewine has an amazing drum sound that I would love some insight into
When are we going to get a Funky Drummer episode?
I'm a bit of a hack when it comes to recording, but to me it does sound like theres a reso head, even if ported, on the bass drum. I know coles pick up A LOT of bass drum info and this could be what im hearing, but it does sound too resonant to be only one head, maybe im hearing tape distortion on the bass drum mic? Who knows..
please do something steve albini, possibly surfer rosa by pixies or one of the tracks off of pod, maybe 'oh!'
Please do March of the Pigs, there's a lot going on there
What Kinda Music by Yussef Dayes?
You should do any and all Mutemath songs
Can we get Hooch by Melvins?
Do Angeles by Elliott Smith!
I'm always thought that "Evil" Joe Baressi engineered that one, or at least the drums.
Can you do Animal Spirits by Vulfpeck? Or any Vulfpeck song would be incredible
wait..no overheads??? i didnt know you could do that 😃😃
Pls do Fashion or Let’s Dance by David Bowie 🥺
Why don’t you release the samples?
“schizophrenia” by sonic youth, i wanna hear dem drums
That kick is way to clean sounding, the kick on Tired of sex has a lot of saturation in it and sounds bigger, like maybe a 24" to me.
I agree. I think they chose the wrong kit for this video, besides maybe the snare
i agree, i think there is a reso head too
do drum sound from Superunknown
Anything by DOMi and JD Beck
I reckon this was done by Fridmann.
Khruangbin. Specifically anything off the Mordechai album.
I think half the sound of the drums on Pinkerton is the room. Wasn't it sound city? You can't really replicate that. It is the best rock room drum sound in the world.
Silkworm drum sound anyone???
Please do Jesus Lizard’s “Goat” or NoMeansNo “Wrong”!! PLEASE PLLLLLEEEAASSEE 😂
albini!