Who Says Older Cyclists Don't Want Fast Bikes? The Rise Of The New 'All-Rounder' Road Bikes
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- We ain't dead yet, us older cyclists, and many of us still love a perfrormance oriented bike to ride but we also need to be realistic about it.
And that is where the new crop of performance road bikes with softened edges come into play. Fast, aero, light, supple...might they be made for folks just like me?
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Well said sir. At 56 now and I'm 6"4" tall I always say ride what you enjoy. I ride a Giant Anyroad with 38mm tires and a Specialized Fatboy Carbon Comp. Here in upstate NY there is plenty of winter riding. It weighs in at 28lbs. As long as you are getting out there and enjoy life, who cares what others think. God Bless you all.
Thanks!
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You mentioned the Colnago. I purchased the Colnago C-68 Allroad one year ago. After 33 years of hard-core riding bar none this is the best thing I’ve ever been on. I equipped it the SRAM Red and Enve 4.5 wheels. I’m 62 years old, ride 10,000 miles a year and I’m here to tell you this is the last bike I will ever own. It’s a rocket ship, handles like a Ferrari, but it’s comfortable at the same time! And this is from a guy that’s been on all sorts of bikes throughout the years. God speed brother
Those are beautiful bikes. And made in Italy, that model? Bellissima!
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I am a bit older than you. I own a Colnago Master, a C59 and a C60, all equipped with Campy Record 11 speed (12 speeds for the C60) rim brakes and Campy Bora WTO 33 wheels. I concur with everything that you wrote about the way that a Colnago rides, handles and feels. I never feel tired or beat up even after a long ride. It is hard to beat the feel of a lugged frame, steel or carbon. Keep on riding my friend. 🎉
@@ejacosta174 those are beautiful classics that you have! I wish somehow we can share pictures on the comment thread. I’d love to see those. Keep spinning my friend.
I did the Death Ride on my old Colnago Super. I cannot explain how the perfect flex and stiffness of that steel frame squirted the bike up the hills on every pedal stroke. Among my fleet it's right at the top along with my carbon Wilier, which is smoother, but not as lively. Definitely a lifelong keeper.
@@hernehill6282 I have a lot of PR uphill times on my steel CURTLO road bike. Beautiful bike to sit and pedal on. But it has some very light wheels too!
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As a senior cyclist, I would recommend a custom built frame. I am continuing to set PR's over segments I completed 5 years ago on off the shelf rides.
And the ONLY difference vs 5 years ago is the made-to-measure frame? You put all those 5 year-old parts on the new frame to see those PR's?
💪🏼💪🏼
Fit (and function) is/are everything...not aero?
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Maybe you were just buying the wrong size frames before (pretty common, actually) or were hard to fit.
@@MyCentrist2cents If only that was the case.
I'm 57. I picked up a Trek Madone Gen 8 after a 2022 Trek Domane. No regrets. Fits 35mm tires (I use 32mm early in the season, 30mm once the season starts in earnest). I love it.
I turned 70 at the end of 2024. I think my Giant TCR fits what you're describing. It came with Shimano 105 manual 11-speed, with an 11-34 cassette. Teamed with 50/34 chainrings, it's a climber. In fact Giant sells it as KOM model. Another thing that makes it an all-day bike is that it came tubeless. The tires are 25mm, but feel wider due to the 21mm (or 23, I forget) internal width rims. They're alloy rims, but, as you say, we're not racing, are we? It's very smooth. I had a fitting last year, which I highly recommend. My sometimes backache is gone for good.
Excellent. Fit is so important.
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"Another thing that makes it an all-day bike is that it came tubeless. " Which makes it "an all-day bike" how? IMHO road tubeless is like boiling your chain in wax - an answer in-search of a problem.
At 69 I bought a custom built TI bike and the MFG put allot of speeding extras on the bike that I did not request. I put almost another thousand dollars to get the bike right for me. I have the ultimate old guy's bike. No wrist numbness, no seat soreness, easy on the feet. I can ride every day and choose my distance. My bike is powerful medicine and that has nothing to do with speed. Rolling meditation rules the trail!
Back in the 1970s - early 80s we called them "sport touring" bikes. Geometry in between a touring bike and a race bike. I had an Austro-Daimler Inter 10 frame that fit that category that I built up with Campagnolo Nuovo Record. Made a great bike for club rides and centuries.
Who cares what others think. Ride whatever you want and enjoy what you ride.
I'm 75 I ride a 2018 tarmac disc with 700x30 tires rovel CL40 wheels and a 11x36 cassett to help my old man legs get up hills. Still ride 3500 plus a year... I ain't dead yet !!
Not dead for sure!
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At 67 I went for a used Pinarello Dogma F10 which was intended to be (was) the best all rounder race bike in its day. With its manual 2x11, rim brakes, 25m tires, some external cabling, a professional fitting, and a great used price, it still gets lots of envious comments, and it gives this old guy all the advantage I need for comfort, handlin, and speed on climbs, descents, and sprints ... all around. . I'm blessed! KB
Yes you are!
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Me too, I'm really excited about the new all-rounders, especially the small production steel bikes. They're as refined and badass as racing and high-performance bikes, nice to look at, fun to ride, yet practical. Now if Campagnolo would make an updated version of Nuovo Record in polished silver with 2x9 friction shifting that would be it for me.
"Now if Campagnolo would make an updated version of Nuovo Record in polished silver with 2x9 friction shifting that would be it for me." How many of THOSE would they sell?
Like Scarab Cycles in Columbia! Oh my.
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@ If stereo turntables, tube amplifiers, retro cars, retro motorcycles, retro clothes, retro anything can sell, maybe retro bike parts!
@@oldguyandabike Those bikes look awesome! The paint, wow.
Awesome comment. I recently got a custom builder Chris Bishop to make me a 80's style frame and fork and he's building it up with Campagnolo Centaur 10 speed, All new parts. The price can be high but there is still new old stock to be had. Is it worth it? Well that depends on how much you want it. I wanted it pretty bad. I like my Shimano Di2 but always wonder how soon it will fail.
Great analysis, great vid
hell yeah. just built myself a colnago V4RS with a slammed stem (I`m 57). Rode my sons enduance set up bike this fall The high position made feel insecure on descents. keep the great vids coming. Gearin up for Dolomites`\ Cortina this spring. Body stays old, keep young at heart.
Wow...quite the superbike! Dolomites!
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I enjoyed your thoughts and comments!
61, still an absolute speed junkie, whether on skis or on a mountain bike, and still "pressing hard." Arrived home from a 3-1/2hr ride on the local peak (you know it as Madonna Mountain), and 3 laps up and down using all of the trails.... broken shift cable, and stuck in 10th, broken spoke on the rear wheel, and while it was in the stand, I put new metallic finned rear brake pads in it. It was a great day of riding.
I really struggle with 'party pace'.
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@@oldguyandabike Mmm... I don't ride road, so I don't know what "party pace" is.
@@austinado16 Ah...well, I am no expert, just what I have seen...but the idea asmI understand it is that the ride experience is more about the social aspect, less pressure on a certain pace...think Surly Bikes, not S Works...often combined with the 'retro' approach to bike builds. Poofy tires , comfy bar positions...not real concern about a faster tire, etc. Not a bad way at all. Just not my way.
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@ Thanks for the explanation. I always ride solo.
I'm with you in the way you think about all rounder bikes. I now have my all rounder, built around a 2015 Salsa Colossal Ti frame, the last year Salsa made a "road" bike frame. It's fast enough, an all day ride, handles well, and is comfortably stable. A keeper, likely the last "road" bike I'll ever own. Thanks for putting your thoughts out for all us older riders 😊
Beautiful bike too.
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60 this year…Just bought an SL8 Tarmac Pro, so comfy for a race bike! Race Cross , gravel and going to get back into Crits this year on the new bike….Still smashing the koms to! 😊
Excellent...I have my eye on that bike.
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I agree with you in that the feeling of going fast is difficult on an endurance bike that is heavy. This is why I’m still riding on an SL3 Roubaix rim brake. I’ve discovered that in order to get a new bike that weighs the same I’d have to spend over $12,000 ( brand new). I’d rather save that money for retirement. Ha ha
Not a bad plan!
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Old guy here! Spring 2024, I decided to start road riding again after a long hiatus riding only MTB. I took out my 2013 Trek CrossRip and immediately noticed how sluggish the bike felt, it's not a performance bike so no surprises. I ended up purchasing a Cannondale CAAD13, that bike handles like a cat, was reasonably priced and has a Shimano 105 groupset which is great quality low-tech equipment.
@@stibbbs aluminum well done, that!
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If you have been around cycling a long time and ridden young to old, you may learn about fit. Bike fit is a parallel universe. What is that? The way a bike fits is about rider proportion. Torso length, arm length and leg length. Relationship of the these dimensions. I am 6'1 with long legs, short torso and long arms. I have a buddy who is also a strong cyclist and the same height and built exactly the opposite. He is all torso and short legs. Our bikes and the size we ride are completely different. We can't ride one another's bike in spite of being the same height. A fit 70 y.o. with long torso and short legs can ride a Tarmac SL8 with racy dimensions just fine. A long torso/short leg rider doesn't need an endurance geometry. But don't put a long leg/shorter torso fit 70 y.o. on a race bike. Unless genetically blessed with +3 sigma flexibility, it will kill his/her back and neck.
So it isn't only age. Its about rider proportions relative to bike geometry.
The other stuff you mention like bike weight matter. But fit of the rider to the bike is no.1.
@@lukewalker1051 hey. Great insight! Thanks. Never heard that expressed.
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I'm not sure what you mean by saying this isn't bikefit, because this is literally bikefitting 101. But yes, I have a long torso *and* long arms, and even the most aggressive race bikes put me a bit too upright. I always need to go a size (or two) down with a long, slammed stem.
Right, except it's the opposite of "fit of the rider to the bike is no.1." as riders aren't very adjustable - it's the bike! I used to laugh when someone would suggest they'd fit someone to their bike...did they have some sort of rack to stretch 'em out or saw to cut 'em up to shorten them? :-)
Congrats on the increase in flexibility! I've been working on mine and am way more flexible than I was 5 years ago. The thing I think that has helped me alot is doing my stretching and squats in the pool ( not in the deep end, lol). Seems that everything is easier to do in the water.
Come to think of it , my handlebars are lower than before too, haha👍
"Not the deep end"...too funny.
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Interesting that you mention the Roubaix as being a dull bike-I just upgraded my 2018 Roubaix Expert for an SL8 Roubaix Expert and love it-35mm tyres as well…. I should mention that I am 76 and rode 6 hours on Thursday and tomorrow’s club ride will be 2.5 hours-but I’m loving the new Roubaix…..
@@K777John I don’t think I pointed out that model as dull. Heavy? Yes. And homely. The ones I owned felt dull. I never owned the Roubaix
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I'm 59 and ride a Tarmac SL8 Pro. The bike is both extremely comfortable and fast. I never listen to RUclipsrs that say because you are a certain age, you should purchase an endurance bike. Ride what you enjoy!
G’day from Sydney Australia! I think us older cyclists need to (proudly) use the young bull/old bull analogy when it comes to comparisions with younger riders; The young bull said to the old bull, “lets run down there and ‘say hi’ to one of those cows. The old bull replied, “let’s walk down there and ‘say hi’ to all of the cows”. 😂
I'm not quite sure what that means but I am afraid to ask. 😱
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Sharing your excitement!
62 here, don’t know if that’s old. I’ve ridden a SL4,BMC teammachine, and now a SW SL6 and SL7 fully slammed with a 110/115 stem/cockpit. I am as stiff as a wooden door. The size Specialized recommends me size 56. I ride always 54’s that’s my solution and it works for me. I’m not getting any faster nor slower either as I ride almost every day.
Nice.
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If an old guy has the money, buy the bike of your dreams. No different than old guy buying a 2025 Corvette or other super fast car.
Funny...I said the same thing to the wife today.
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I just ordered a Litespeed Arenberg. Tall stack and deeper BB drop. I’ll be using my CK road wheelset with 35mm GP5000 AS TR tires. I’m 65.
Ti is such a nice material for a bike.
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I like running fast tires...it's a trade off but on trails I know well it is worth the compromise.
Fast center tread/micro knobs with some side lugs is a good best of both worlds for me. Fast Is fun.
@@amtberproducts yes it is.
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Agree. I have Vittoria Terreno Dry on my gravel bike. Fast on pavement.
59 here. Have two bikes that I really enjoy. The Specialized Aethos with Roval C38 wheels and Roval handlebars, and the Canyon Grail Cflx 8 di2. Been riding the Canyon more and more, except when it gets windy, the DT Swiss wheels are too tall or too high.
Normally older people are smarter because they have long experience… and most of the smart ones know that modern “race bikes” are the slowest bikes we’ve ever had! An overweight disc brake bike is significantly slower than the lightweight, comfortable, rim brake bikes that were around 8-10 years ago. 😅
At 60 I sold my Super Six and wound up with an OPEN Min.d. It’s fast, light and great for long days in the saddle.
I had not seen that before...very Aethos like.
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'Horses for courses.' I don't need the meanest, most expensive bike out there, and it's not even about the fact that I don't race. It's about cost. I can't afford top end bikes, nor can I justify buying one even if I did have more disposable income. My 10 year old Giant Propel does the job at keeping my 'need for speed' satisfied, and maintaining it regularly means it should last another decade.
Been doing aikido with stretching help keep flexibility as tall person. The bikes I ride are allrounders either CX or now gravel. Funny how the CX bike became the standard road bike now days with changes for brakes system and slight changes to where tubes come together at. Hope the fires and winds was not too bad were you are.
@@sccxvelo martial arts are such a great conditioner. I spent several years in it. Loved it.
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yep 72 yo here....the faster the better
Turn 60 this year, I'm looking to replace my S -Works SL6 with a SL8 pro. I don't need an SWorks as I'm not racing any longer, but I still want to roll when I can.
That is the version I would buy as well.
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FACT: There are NO fast bicycles. They all just sit there until someone climbs on and starts pedaling. There ARE fast riders though, they go fast on anything. Were you around when a young John Tomac showed up on club rides and roasted plenty of riders....on his MTB? How much did it weigh? As someone once said - STFU and ride!!!
Would he have gone even faster with less effort on a lighter, more efficient bike?
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Yes the bike industry is banking on these over-perceived emotions from small scientific gains.
It has always been mainly your position, clothing, well maintained drivetrain and tyres.
(have I mentioned body-weight ?)
@@karelvandervelden8819 go race on your 1980 Peugeot on box section rims and then. I'd love to see you finish first in Masters
@ If I would be good enough I would have a chance.
@karelvandervelden8819 you would be out the back so fast you would get lapped. Twice
I have a custom hand built Guru road bike hanging up in my workshop gathering dust. I still ride a lot but I prefer my 15 year old cannon dale touring bike that I have set up with 38mm tires and top shelf handlebars. I go bikepacking now and being in my 70’s i need a more comfortable ride. The Guru is nice but I just don’t enjoy the twitchy handling anymore.
I’m with you. A boring bike is a self-fulfilling prophecy! I’m going to ride as hard and fast as I can until I can’t anymore and then I’ll get an e-bike. :-)
I am with ya'!
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You just described my BMC Roadmachine...
I think the bmc roadmachine also fits the bill
Quite likely so.
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The Basso SV seems like a good choice, but the price. You can get a used S-Work SL8 or Enve Melee for half the price. Second thought, get what you want the first time. What’s the use of having money if you can’t enjoy it.
Yep...it's a lot of money. But I have a saying..."Life is short...buy the bike".
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I'm old but I really get a kick out of going as fast as I can everywhere 😆
Checked Tarmac SL stack height in my size 😳 Mmmm this might take some flexibility training😂
I need to do a video on "I don't do party pace".
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How about the Look 785. Mapdec Cycle Works has a review of this bike as a "inbetweener" between their race and endurance bikes.
Indeed! Yeah, I am sure there any many bikes now and more to come!
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Don’t matter how “fast” the bike is supposed to be. If I’m on it, it ain’t going nowhere quickly. Maybe pinch flats happen more frequently but those ain’t speed related. I like my bike, I like when other’s like their’s too.
Well that could describe me as well...but I keep trying.
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I'm realizing my age and I don't want to go as fast as possible anymore. I've proven myself back in the day and where did it get me. No one cares. I have a custom steel frame builder Chris Bishop from Baltimore working on my next bike which has the look that dates back into the early 80's. I don't want to charge batteries so I can ride anymore nor do I want to faff around with tubeless sealant. I'm even going to quit wearing bib shorts and dress more like the neighborhood fixed gear gang. I just bought some Adidas Velo Stan Smith shoes. I'm even cutting back on the miles, instead of doing distances of 50 miles or more I'm dialing that back to 20 to 30 miles. I figure that's enough to maintain a healthy body. Cycling has gotten too expensive and I'm retiring in two years so I won't have the cash to support the greedy industry anymore.
As long as you are still riding...
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I own both a 23lb Trek Domane AL 5 and a 16.7lb Tarmac SL8. I ride one when I plan to cruise around 16mph. I ride the other when I’m shooting for 18-20+ mph rides. Some Older men can still get down. Fact
Truth. Good to have a quiver.
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Road bikes should all be migrating closer to an 80mm bottom bracket drop to evolve with the trends to shorter crank arms and 30mm tires. Both the crank and tire trends are favorable for the “aging” cyclist.
That is a good observation actually. Both things raise COG. I will say that the one road bike I rode with that low a BB was pretty awful to pedal IMO. But one number/dimension does not a bike make.
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This old cyclist will never own another one piece handlebar or internally cable routed bike, never again! Found another new Allez Sprint rim brake still boxed in a closing bike shop. Dropped seat stays, 405mm chain stays, 73° steering angle, 69mm bb drop, 74° seat tube angle and rolling on 26mm tires / 404 Zipps..
This thing goes precisely where its pointed and requires your utmost attention on high speed descents with any type of crosswinds. Gone are the sluggish and overcomplicated bicycles for this old dude.
Those are zippy feeling bikes. One guy in our group rides one and say it is a "2 hour bike". I thought that was interesting.
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I'm an old bloke, i don't need another bike, i already have the best in the world, a Paletti, handmade by Luciano himself. It was very fast when i raced on it! Even beat Phil "the dill" Anderson!
Excellent!
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My mountain bike is not top end fast but I smoke everyone in a 100 yard drag race 😮. Road bikes r fast but slow to get there , I think . The last time I rode a road bike was in 1976 😅 so someone educate me .
"because of the work I put in"
I'm in my mid 40s and want to get a Tarmac because I'm not sure I'll be able to ride one in 10 years. I still feel strong and fast so I feel this is my last chance before I get really old lol
50? Really old!!! You are killing me! :)
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I think I said, "This will be my last bike," the last five bikes I bought. Got my first real gravel bike at the end of last year, just b4 my 70th Bday.
Every time I read TARMAC I think of the client we had in Italy on one of our vacations. He loved the Italian bike he rented from us, saying he hated the bike he had at home...a TARMAC. When asked WTF he'd keep and ride a bike he hated he said, "Ya gotta have the stiffness...for the crits!" I just scratched my bald head.
Buy what your bike fitter tells you to.
watt should "old croaks," like me, ride? i think riding a road bike, where 1 just has 2 cruise, is okay. Mountain biking, where 1 needs really quick reflexes & has 2 contend with zooming up in the air & landing really hard, thats not 4 me!
Reviewers are younger than the target demographic
And product managers and developers.
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Spend some time in a good fit studio, if you can find one. There is this thing called biodiversity - quality control over the human body sucks. There are also this tendency for bike companies to design proprietary stems, spacers and seatposts, because they have solved the human quality control problem by designing all of their bikes for people named Wout or Remco. I don’t have a problem with aero bikes, I have a problem with riders never finding a good working position because they spent too much on a bike…
today i never go more than 50. seems age limit my conscious, body no longer can accomodate fast descent.
Yeeaahhhh...50 mph. I have seen that 2 times ever on a bike! Things happen quickly at 50 mph.
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@@oldguyandabike noticable is when we grab that brake leaver it not as fast as before, and eye get more blurry in the stress situation.
At 61 I want a fast bike, but if you live on a diet of GCN comments you could be forgiven to think older blokes just want comfortable bikes - which they attain by increasing tyre width up into mountain bike specifications.
At almost 70 years old, 38 mm slicks at 40 psi are heaven-on-earth, especially if your roads aren't so great or are unpaved.
At 65, I race several local gravel events each season here in the US - and Garmin and Strava says that I’m faster on 47mm tires vs 40mm.
@petersouthernboy6327 That's gravel. The terrain you ride on may make such tyres competitive. On road bikes, though, it's foolish to go beyond 30mm.
Soft tissue opposition??😂
I stole that from a bike filter I watch on RUclips.
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I hope the bike industry learns what the ski industry has known for a VERY long time. More categories = more better.
They're going the other way - LESS SKU's makes things simpler and more profitable.
Whatever type of bike I ride, I just don’t want it to beat me to death!
I bought a generic/China frame. It was fast, but beat me to death. When I used the 45mm deep carbon wheels, 1.5 hour ride would have my back sore.
Yeah. I have been watching the Chinese bikes and seeing what informed persons say. Ride quality is lacking.
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A guy like you needs the fastest bike there is.
@@manny2ndamendment246 thanks! I think.
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The oldest excuse in the book - "I'm not fast, so I need a fast bike." Thing is...they make them now...they have electric motors.
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786you're an angry old man
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 Larry...be careful. Cynical comments like this and others will cause a loss of privileges. Chill.
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Specialized Aethos would be an all arounder..
Yeeeesss! I agree. Not really an aero/internal/etc. design, but the performance is sure there. Curious to see what the new version might bring as that bike is due for a revision.
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@oldguyandabike T47 bb? And an extra 10mm head tube is what I'd like to see.
nope it is time to trade the fast road bike for a nice single or seven speed tricycle and give up climbing hills LOL
Nooooo...hills are life! But have you ever seen those trikes with two wheels in front and a motor? I have seen some older cyclists on those and man, it that keeps you out there and moving safely, get it!
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@@oldguyandabike I was kidding
Trek Domane rimbrake 2hand 500 euro. Good for old longlegged (low bottombracket) but still fast not young riders.
I had one of those. I cannot recall I bike I liked less. Rode it 200 miles and sold it. But then, bikes are every individual so what I like, etc. I bought it based on others who loved theirs. Go figure.
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@@oldguyandabike I get it. Domane feels a bit sedate but with a 23/25 front tyre for road its fine.
My old Cube Attain is a full kilo lighter so I do different rides on both. The geometry for longer legged
riders suits the Domane well. I also doubt a full on race bike benefits the average amateur.
The industry benefits of the insecurity of many unexperienced hobby riders.
@@karelvandervelden8819 It was an odd bike for me, that Domane. It was the higher end carbon one...what ever that was called. The HT was very tall for its size, but that was OK. The front end was very, very stiff riding and yet the back was kind of soft so it felt unbalanced that way. OK. But that...what 80mms of BB drop?...can't recall...felt like I was pedaling in a hammock.
But as I said, there were riders in the group that just loved theirs! Mrs. Grannygear had one (project 1 that the bike shop got stuck with) and really liked it until she rode a Trek Emonda. After that she never rode her Domane. Sold it to a guy who loved orange bikes!
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@@oldguyandabike Horses for courses. With my long legs I have to put the saddle higher so I do
not suffer from the high stack height. Indeed the low bottombracket makes you feel planted into
the bike but for many they see that as a bonus (long solo rides). The isospeed in the back functions
just right for me. But I also enjoy riding nippier bikes. I watched all the fire drama live here from
the Algarve Portugal where its mostly too dry aswell but great for riding. You can maintain your
fitness better here because of the stable weather. Continuity is a key-word for people over 70 ha !
@ yep! Man I see some great riding there ! And pastries!!!
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