BMW M3 Vs. Porsche Cayman S - how do they compare? Overview and driving impressions.
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I love the way you speak about cars
Well thank you!
Saw the 4’s in the thumbnail, clicked ASAP. Cars & shoes 😁
Haha nice
I have an F80 as well and a cayman GTS on order. I followed all your M3 DIY and will definitely be following your Cayman DIY. I love your perspective on both cars!
Thank! Congrats on the car. GTS is amazing
I had a Cayman S and now I have a 2015 M4...no question....keep them both! I really love the Cayman feel over the 911. Congrats!
Thanks! And yes it feels so much more balanced
Keep both cars. You have the best of both worlds. Some people think that you can only have one. You are living the dream!
Another Quality video. Quality audio. Quality cars. Quality personality. Awesome man.
Another quality comment. Thank you so much!!
Simply great! Big thumbs up for the most honest comparison on RUclips and Your cincere appreciating of manual transimissions and manual handbrake! Best regards from Croatia! 🇭🇷
Thanks for watching from Croatia!!
Glad you stuck with the Yas gang! Both cars are awesome. Congrats Tommy
Thanks !!
Also I appreciate the honesty in your comparison. Great video
Thanks !
This is a good one. My dad had a 1985 targa growing up and everything you said about how the cayman handles just reminds me of that. The acceleration, stiffness, clutch and how it makes other performance cars feel like .. and as I type this, you mention the 911! Spot on. I had to sell it in 2018 as I was moving with my career and had nowhere to put it. To this day I am SICK about it. So now, I have sold my Audi A4 since I have a company car and after we close on this house, I’ll be back in the car market. Funny enough, it will be between probably a 2021 m3 and a little bit of an older 911 targa (yes, first world problems). It will take me a year or so but the sacrifice is worth it. I still remember from your first video where you told kids to stay in school and you can get what you want out of life. Absolutely spot on and glad I’ll be playing around with performance cars as a result! Love your videos displaying all your interests. We are damn near the same person with the stumpy, the revo, Bmw, porsches .... and Jordans ( yes I peeped that too) 🤣. This is one of my top 5 favorite channels on RUclips to me and #1 in the car space. Keep doing what you do.
I thought we might be long lost brothers...until you mentioned the 2021 M3 hehe !
@@TommyLGarage lol. By the time I get in one, there the warranties will be trash! Not to mention the s55 engine issues and rev matching that you can’t turn off independently. Never thought I’d be starting to overlook those nostrils lol.
I’ve never driven a porche , or even been in one to be honest. I love how they look though - certainly seems to be a bit more performance orientated ( handling ) Great video !
It’s funny but I didn’t expect the difference to be so vast
i beg to differ. for me the difference in handling between my other well-known sports car and the my new-to-me mid-engine, base model 2007 cayman WAS "night and day". within 30 seconds the cornering confidence level increased by two-fold. it was amazing.
BTW, it's rare for someone to be even slightly critical of a car they thought was pretty good. makes me think i can trust his judgement...subscribed!
Thank you Tommy great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The Porsche shifters are just on another level, you get a nice tactile feel/click when you shift.
Agreed!!
As a Porsche owner I agree
Absolutely looking forward to some trackday footage with the cayman!
Coming soon!
Nice honest comparison!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video tommy
Thanks 👍
Great video! I’d love to see you link up with your friend with the M2 Competition and compare that to the Cayman. Those two are on my short list.
That’s a great idea !
Great comparison, TLG. I've also got one of each, tho my P-car is a 968, which is seriously down on HP compared to my TLG-mud-flap-equipped F80. One thing that greatly improved the clutch feel for me on the F80 was removing the clutch delay valve that's hiding inside the clutch slave cylinder. Engagement is much more direct, it's much easier to get off the line - especially in sport plus - and I may be just imagining it, but the clutch pedal feels a bit heavier too. Give it a go - I guarantee you won't regret it!
Interesting point. I will look into it. Thanks !!
Great video very honest.
Thanks !
I recently went through this process and went with 2017 M3 for my single car. I agree with everything you said, except 911 is hardly practical unless your kids stay 3 feet tall forever. Love the channel!!!
Congrats on the m3! For me practicality is a daycare drop off 2 miles away. Otherwise I’m always alone :)
I daily drive a Tesla Model 3 Performance. On the weekends I have a 997 911 S and a Dinan tuned E46 M3 manual with full suspension and HRE wheels. When I go mountain biking or off road I have a rock crawling Toyota 4Runner. Honestly, the car that I drive the most is the Tesla. It is the most stress free and has the best acceleration out of all the cars. It is not the most fun or engaging. The Tesla also has the best sound system. It even sounds better than my wife’s Lexus Mark Levinson system. I still enjoy the sound of the exhaust and manual shifting, but I think the EVs are going to be the future. My favorite sounding exhaust is the GT350 Mustang with its flat pane crank.
You made the right choice!!
Thanks !!
Want a no slop shifter for the m3, get a CAE shifter. Do it man!
I heard they’re great
Great comparison - i share a lot of the same findings with my M3 compared to 911T. The Porsche is a superior car in every single way. The M3 is much faster (i have DCT) and i really love the styling inside and out. My 911 has RAS and T comes with Sport PASM (lowered susp) so it is just extremely planted in turns and high speeds. The 3.0 turbo flat6 is also much more NA in how it behaves compared to S55 and sounds much better.
I test drove a 2016 Cayman S with Sport exhaust and the sound it makes is amazing, can't beat NA for that. The handling was on par with my 911 - again i think RAS is HUGE game changer for 911.
You’re making me wanna trade my fleet in today!
I’ve had RAS on a Turbo S, GT3 and now on a 4S and couldn’t agree more! Noticeably more balanced in fast turns and tight turning circle fun in narrow streets- only downside is the expensive (to replace) Li-ion battery 😳
I agree with all of your points Tommy as I have also experienced both cars. I also agree the perfect blend of the 2 would be a 911. Specifically the 2018-2019 991.2 Carrera T. 👍🏼
I need a 991.2 GT3 :)
Great video. I think the 911 would be a great choice. I have a 911 and a crappy family SUV (Honda HRV). When my 2 kids are a little older and only need booster seats, I think I will try to use the 911 for everything.
911 is the ultimate daily
Thanks for an insightful and honest comparison - I had a GT4 and an M2 Comp and had very similar experiences- the M2 had too much power for the chassis but on the track the manual GT4 struggled against the turbos on the straights. After a couple of 911s and a GT3 I ended up with a Carrera 4S with rear wheel steering. The 718 handling is superb but the 911 gives mores satisfaction dealing with that big rear counterweight and delivers on acceleration 😊
We are indeed on the same page :)
Nice video Tommy! I've heard the cdv delete makes a pretty big difference on the M3. Have you considered it yet?
Might look into it!
Both are great. Nice Js btw (AJ 4s).
Haha thanks !
Owned a 2001 330i manual, 2...2007 335i manual. Fun cars. Drove an M3 coupe...rips really hard! Drove a Cayman s design edition....ultra fun! I love my Honda/Acura and beamers....but the Cayman S is fire! Literally trying to buy it from my friend now. Wish me luck!
Hope all goes well!
Good comparison
Thanks!
Exactly the video I've been looking for right now lol. You need 911 review video now
Looking for one! :)
@@TommyLGarage Thanks to this video, me too :D
I think I know what your next few DIYs for the M3 might be after your recent purchase of the Cayman and your comments in this video.... Title: How to Make My M3 Feel Like A Cayman. Featuring DIYs for the Ultimate Clutch Pedal and the Auto Solutions Short Shift Kit.....
Haha funny. But maybe... :)
What’s the gearing like in each car ? Which one let’s you use more gears and rev range when having fun?
Actually the Cayman gearing doesn’t bother me. You can wind it up in 2nd
I just picked up an 08 Cayman S with the gt3 lightweight buckets, it’s an event everytime I drive it
They’re amazing. And kudos on the buckets!
This is very good combo. I think it’s better than a solo 911. I am keeping my m2c as your m3, and getting a Ducati bike as your cayman. If I only get to have one single vehicle, the manual G80 m3 is my choice.
Ducati is the best sounding out of the bunch !
Tommy with the 4s 🔥
:)
How many things have you changed on the froggys suspension you said? :)
Just oem sport suspension. Same as on the M3
Just came back from NJMP. Love my E90 M3. You need the V8. No turbo lag! Next step, is to take my 981 CS to the track and AutoX events. Maybe I’ll see you there,.
See you there for sure!
I had a 2011 911 and sold it for my 16 M3. 911 is a amazing car, the sound is mesmerizing! Ultimately I have a family and the M3 fits perfectly in my life now. When it’s time to move on from the M3. I would most likely go with a Cayman S. Cayman drives so much better with the mid engine vs the rear engine. Balance is much better. Ultimately can’t go wrong with any of these cars. Very lucky to have these cars to choose from. Enjoy the videos!
M3 is an amazing family vehicle.
Cayman is such a gokart
I would have kept the 911 and purchased a separate family car like a Camry. You still need me time and the 911 is the perfect escape on the weekends.
Shoe game on point!!
Thank you!!
NICE!!! Love both cars 911 is also my choice or maybe a Lotus????
My buddy just picked up a lotus. I still prefer the cayman
Both amazing cars, for the m3 you can get a diff flash for improved traction and mdm
I will be trying that!
@@TommyLGarage can’t wait for the vid
maybe twin disc clutch and short shifter upgrade for M3?... I had a UUC short shifter and DKM Stage 3 twin disc clutch on a OG M2 before my M3 and it was a whole world of difference.
I think I don’t want to mess with the M3 to that point. The shifter is more on the comfortable level
Great video, man! Thank you! I've been trying to decide between a F80 M3, M2 or Audi RS5 B8.5... Can't decide. Would love your input (considering it's gonna be kept long-term and used as daily/source of excitement haha).
I say M3 if you want to keep it long term.
Rs5 is eeehhh
M2 is nice but unless you’re tracking it every weekend then M3 is superior
@@TommyLGarage alright, Tommy. Thanks a lot!
I would take the M3. The Audis are nice when new, but do not age as gracefully as the BMWs. I still look at my E46 M3 and love the design.
@@mocheen4837 E46 M3 is the best design by BMW, aging like fine wine.
Do you have auto rev matching in the Cayman now?
Not yet but I will code it
The sound of the Porsche is intoxicating. I would love if could you do a POV drive.
After watching your video, the Cayman makes the M3 looks sloppy in terms of power delivery. Don’t get me wrong, I love when the tail steps out but sometimes I want it to stay planted and it’s pinging off the traction control or I’m having to roll into the throttle.
I think the solution for the M3, aside from putting the widest tires you can on the back, is setting up boost by gear in BM3. A 10-15% reduction would make 1st and 2nd more useable and a little less sudden.
Problem is most of the weight is in the front
Tommy. Im curiuos have you coded M3 rear differential as GTS, steering as GTS, EDC (el damper control) as CS (GTS on coilovers), MDM/ABS as GTS ? These codings makes day and night difference :) M3 with M performance springs and CS coding on shocks will not be floaty as you mentioned :) Even engine map as GTS is so linear, far better feel than bootmode stage1 or stage2, its 500hp but much more controllable even comparing to stock. and I have DCT gearbox on my M3. Everything is set as GTS except EDC to CS. Its totally different car now.
No but might try now. Thanks !!
@@TommyLGarage You must try. You will be shocked. Steering input changes dramatically. Shock absorbers as well, no more body roll. eLSD changes drastically too. Basically just do it and you will see :)
All these models standard, zcp, cs, gts basically coding makes the difference between them. Yes some minor weight changes but thats it.
Owned a cayman S (987) and now have a 1 series, have also driven a few M3’s. Performance goes to Porsche, nothing drives like a mid/rear engine car.
BMW just makes great GT cars with good power.
Very well said. I agree
Although they are both absolutely amazing machines I think that the 911 is the way to go. Just make sure you get the "right" 911! Great video Tommy!
Thanks! And yes I’d do a minimum of C4S although GT3 is the goal :)
@@TommyLGarage I wanted a GT3 badly but for me it’s a bit to rough to semi daily. The GTS for me is the perfect car for what I want to do. Occasional track day weapon and still comfy!
Well yeah with the cayman you have a dedicated Sports car platform and the m3 has to do a little of everything. If you want the best driving experience with a back seat its the evora 400
My buddy just picked up the evora. Nice but I still prefer the Cayman
Any interest in selling the M3 yet? I’m in the market for a yas blue manual
Sold it
Better suspension on F80 makes better steering response.... stock suspension is good maybe for city driving...
I am running MPerformance HAS. And I wanted to compare it stock for stock
@@TommyLGarage its just another springs... i had stock suspension on M2C with front camber plate Milway and was better..
but i bought BMW KW V3 and steering response is much better and car doesnt to tilt...
but of course, you can buy better suspension like KW competion or AST Suspension 5300...
Honestly, I was pretty let down by the 911. For context, I have a 2018 M4C 6-speed, 1999 Miata, 2005 Mini, and a 2007 WRX. So when I went to drive a 2017 911 Carrera S, I had experienced plenty of different car configurations and types. I went in expecting it to be the next level somehow just based on all the great reviews and the positive impression I had of the Cayman. The 911 was sort of a dud. Admittedly, my expectations might’ve been too high but it felt slow compared to the M4 while driving around. I did t do any clutch-dump 0-60s since it was a dealer car but I wasn’t exactly kind to it either because COVID made it so I went on the test drive sans salesman. The drive made me appreciate the M4C much more. I was really taken aback. So long story short Tommy... test it and I think you’ll be surprised but not necessarily in a good way. Just my 2 cents. Love the videos! Keep it going :)
***Don’t choose the one. Keep both brother
I love how analog the Porsche feels compared to the M3
@@TommyLGarage Awesome! That’s all that matters honestly. Just to clarify though, I think the caymans are excellent - I just didn’t find the same with the 911. Great content regardless and if you get one I’ll keep checking you out and supporting 💪
I have a f80 m3 comp dct and a manual GR Yaris, (I’m in the UK) and I feel like a 911, 991 or 992 variant would tick both boxes instead of having the two cars. I have kids so need back seats.
The GR Yaris is on another level to the M3. It’s a faster car in 90% of situations and so much more fun to drive.
I might need to downsize and get a 911 next year
You need to test drive a 911.2 T - it is actually the perfect car !
I fully support this suggestion!
I worry I would have CS4 envy
Did you ever drive the 981 base Tommy?
No. I wonder how it compares
@@TommyLGarage I was set on an S model but seems like they're going for mid 50's. Essentially 20k more than a base! 😩 maybe getting a base and doing a 3.8 swap is the ticket 😁
I'm just going to say it. Woody Allen does cars! This is not a derogatory slight. Woody Allen has done lots of movies which I love and you have a similar laconic delivery. My Cayman review travels have brought me to many interesting places.
Haha
That’s why I like N/A like the E46 or E9x 😊
Maybe I should add an E9X to the stable
@@TommyLGarage I have the E90 M3 for the same reason as you, to be able to take the kids 😁 and this beast will be with me forever 👍🏻
I'll keep both, best of both worlds !🌎
Baaam done !
@@TommyLGarage lol 😆
I have an m4 competition DCT, and a C6 Z06 corvette obviously 6 speed. I have driven the m cars in the Manual and those gear boxes just are not good. I can see how your cayman is bringing that to light. My Z06 isn’t mid engine but handling compared to my M4…. It crushes it as you cayman does to your M3.
IT's amazing how much shifting can influence the driving experience.
Both are great but I'd keep the M3 as a daily and fun and upgrade Cayman to 911 GT3!
Maybe that’s the plan!!
I mean you’re on 255 winter tires with the M. I don’t think the driving impressions are apples to apples here with the Porsche. My winter tires on my F80 dramatically change the driving characteristics from when I have my summer Cup2s on.
Good point
That being the Cayman is an all around tighter car. After all the M3 is coming from a 3 series as a starting point. Still both cars are just awesome. Great video!
This thumbnail just cured Covid
Haha
the m3 is is a banger, but a 911 is just a separate class
True
I have a m340i with the b58 and I have a 981 Gt4. The b58 has more torque than the Gt4, but the handling and the way the gt4 revs is very special. I have a feeling the b58 motor would out-pull the gt4 from a rolling start, but numbers aren’t everything. There is just something special about the way the gt4 turns and handles in general. Truth be told I have a 93rx7 and it might handle the best. Albeit with less overall grip (vastly inferior tires compared to the cup2 on gt4) Keep up the great vids. Love your content.
Thanks for the love! 981 gt4 is an amazing car
Porsche is the best by far
True !
From personal observation, there is a sizable number of BMW drivers who eventually switch to a Porsche, but very few Porsche drivers switch to a BMW.
True...
I would buy a manual cayman S, but they’re so expensive
Greet cars though
@@TommyLGarage absolutely:)
If you are going to start talking about practicality, luggage space, roof racks and child seats, then the cayman is not part of this conversation and never should be thrusted into it. Clearly the M3 wins out in terms of daily driver use. The cayman will never be considered a daily driver for a family of four. Its a sports car from the start, made for speeding thru curvaceous country roads, not trips to little league baseball practice. I agree with the authors praise of the Cayman's advantages in terms of handling, and power delivery to the M3. Fast forward to the current 718 and you will find that what Porsche has done with a turbocharged 4 cylinder is nothing short of amazing. If you ever track a cayman you will find that the stability of the car under braking is totally sublime as you approach a turn. You don't get that feeling of control in a M3.
Having tracked both the M3 and Cayman I truly agree.
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wohoo!
Get the 997.2 c2s. TLG LLC tax write off. :)
Honestly that’s the one I looked for but couldn’t find a manual. I’ll do 991.2 GT3 next year that’s the plan
Good video but IMHO, comparing an M3 to a Cayman or Boxster is like comparing the 911 against the Z4 or M2. An M2 or a Z4 would've been a better comparison against the Cayman. With that said, I understand those are your vehicles (both beautiful BTW) and the comparison makes for an interesting one and explains quite well why you chose both. BTW I agree with you on the 911 choice.I previously owned a BMW then a Boxster and now a 911 so, I totally get where you're coming from.
I actually kind of regret not getting a 911
You had me until 911
Ouch how so ?
That is Porsche engineering for you, there is nothing quite like it. You should try a newer 911 GTS, or obviously the GT3's, you won't be able to enjoy any other car after that lmao.
I might be getting a gts
@@TommyLGarage I think you would love it, but there is isn't much that you could do to it, its kind of already perfect from factory, and I know how much you love your DIY stuff.
I went from an 2018 f80 ZCP to a 991.2 and have about the same opinion. The M3 feels crude by comparison. It’s beautiful and fun but not as precise.
Couldn’t agree more!
I just went from an M4 to 911 991.2 Carrera T and the 911 is superior in every way. The only thing I don’t like is all the attention it gets.
HUH, I had a 2009 911 Turbo (non S) and I received very little to no attention.
Haha so true. My car is black so it blends it but still...
BMWs are so boring now. Started losing their way decades ago and have long jumped the shark. Power on an M3 is not usable in town. E30 M3 remains the most fun due to feedback, sound, and linear delivery to redline. Porsche tries harder to be true.
F80 will go down as the best m3
Get a 911 for sure
Working on it :)
I'd just get a 911
That’s the plan
I would keep the M3, and when you're feeling rich down the road, swap the Cayman for a GT4. If you're feeling rich rich, then a GT3. Either way, keep the M3.
I want to feel rich rich next year
@@TommyLGarage Inshallah.
911
All the way!
911 is always the answer! I have a 2011 E92 M3 zcp. I love the car and plan to keep it for ev... well, unless it needs to go to make room for a 911. Any GT 911 but choice is GT3 or at minimum GTS. 997 or 991, n/a no turbos.
I choose violence
Lol
Was this a cry for help?....Full mid-life crisis.
They only reason to sell the mint pristine BMW E39 540i was to make space in the tr-garage for something new.
"A 911 is a perfect (family) car, since it has a back seat"....HaHa that is too funny. Especially when you drive home in a new/used 911 GT3.
Having a BMW E9X M3 and a daily driver PoS BMW F30 335i....the M3/M4 is a perfect daily driver, but you have to limit the yearly mileage to total only 50k-75k miles before you sell it. My M3 has 175k+ miles due to a long daily commute in SoCal, which was not smart. If you have a family then a SUV is the daily driver and you can get a weekend toy like an ///M car or Por-sche toy, while limiting yearly mileage to
But if my C4S has back seats, an exhaust and lowered suspension...it’s still a family car! :)
And we also have an suv which is not going away
People shouldn't split hairs especially when they are going slowly bald....I joke
Ahhh I see what you did there
Good car but ugly the Cayman
Subjective :)
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aaiii!