Plain & Simple, if one DOES NOT dance or do aerobics on bikes outdoors, why on earth would you do it on indoor spin bikes? Cat Kom & crew brought up a very interesting & haphazard issue.
I do Isolation workout on my indoor bike and I absolutely love it!!!! Of course, the success of this move is all about POSTURE. I've learned that on the stand position per example, if you position your hips little more to the back near to the seat you will create the right angle for your knees to not pass over your toes when performing the rotations and your quads and core also gluteus will be the ones target......
You are so right. I do them in my classes and my students love them, but I makes sure the hips are back over the seat and that we are really contracting the abs. It is all about placement and core strength/usage.
I'm getting a spin bike with a belt drive and I'm really looking forward to it and using your videos to get things going. It all looks way more exciting than going on a treadmill.
Cat, great advice. I love my spin class and the instructors at my gym do many of these moves, but don't think I will do them any more since I have a bad back and knees.
I feel that you are completely wrong about doing some of the variations that you show. I feel that as long as it is safe and your getting great results, it is fine. Everyone has their own views on spinning and group exercising.
Hey Lauren, did you watch the entire video? This is a conversation where we each give our perspective and opinion, but we never say what is right or wrong. Really what we're saying is pretty much what you said. Please take another watch before you call us "wrong". We are not calling you wrong. We are having a healthy adult conversation about viewpoints. It's refreshing really.
Yo never know what kind of person is in the class, just because your 23 and teach spin doesn’t mean the 42 year old with back problems should b doing some of these things. But many spin people teach for their own workout! And they are well versed in body mechanics. I’m a spin instructor and had to get a hip replacement because of the q angle on a certain bike. I’m not blaming all spin on hip replacement, but it certainly instigated getting it. I still teach but not 6 classes now, and I do add in some controversial moves, however because I’m also an orthopedic massage and bodywork therapist, I can teach to people who have problems with knee s and spinning with back problems and so on. So not everyone knows what’s safe.....just because you can doesn’t meant you can be sure it’s safe for others.
As certified instructors, you absolutely have the authority to judge right from wrong and to say "no" to movements that have not been authorized by the due diligence of a certification. You should not be afraid of insulting someone by directing them to be compliant with the certification. The true offense, is the insult of injury. The innocent members are relying on you to protect them, while they are in your charge. Do the right thing.
Getting great results does not support doing unsafe variations does not make any movement fine. As an instructor, you are there for your class and their body-not your own. They will follow you doing something they shouldn't because they trust you. The amount of spin injuries I see per month for rehab have doubled.
As a former indoor cycling instructor, I get so frustrated watching how classes are being taught. In a perfect world, the instructors themselves would be demonstrating proper positioning and form while doing conventional let alone controversial IC movements. However, the majority of the instructors that I see are not and unfortunately their students are mimicking the instructors faulty movement patterns. It seems to me that it is more important to be trendy and try to make people feel as though they are going to collapse from sheer exhaustion than it is to be safe and effective. Watching instructors as they heave their bodies in an effort to maintain over the top resistance or instructors watching passively as students round over and bring their faces towards the handlebars in the ridiculous push up maneuvers or push their hips forward when out of the seat has been sickening. On the bright side, I recently took a class from an instructor that taught 95% of the class in a way that was reminiscent of outside biking and it was just as grueling and challenging as some of the more "controversial" taught classes. The difference was that at no time did she do anything that would be considered contraindicative and she was constantly cueing for proper form throughout the entire class. In addition, she was displaying really good form as well. It was refreshing to say the least and I left the class without once having my eyes or ears "bleed" from poor instruction. I honestly have been feeling like I must be alone in my frustration on this topic and have been relieved and pleased to find Cat Kom's videos on the subject. So thank you ladies for sharing your perspective and reaching out to educate the masses.
Glad you liked this conversation Bridget. I think one of the important things here was just having a candid discussion, as opposed to tearing instructors apart. It sounds like you have a lot of common opinions on the matter though!
It's really simple. . . if you are certified to teach the Spinning program. . . you won't ask your students to do anything on the bike indoors that you wouldn't do riding outside. That's the basis of the Spinning program and always has been. Certified Spinning instructors follow proven protocols and use techniques that are safe for all students. If you want to do crazy things on your own time, go ahead, but not in class please. You're doing your students a big disservice and opening the door for injuries and bad habits. If you don't understand repetitive movement, poor position and body mechanics, please don't teach! To reply to the previous post, there is only one view on "Spinning" and it's what the program teaches otherwise, please call it something else as you're using the term incorrectly.
Hi Paul. I hear ya. This talk is not just about who you're certified through though. I think we should be preaching safety no matter who you're certified through. And though I believe most of what you say is spot on, I have yet to see a certified Spinning instructor not sit up and just lightly pedal on the bike without gripping the handlebards to catch their breath, or adjust their music, etc. Those are all things I wouldn't do on an outdoor bike, but I do as an instructor on my solid amazing Spinning bike. So, that's why I think that coined "don't do anything on the bike indoors that you wouldn't do riding outdoors" is a little overkill. And, mind you this is coming from someone that has been teaching for 13 years and has never seen anyone get hurt in my Spinning class. Of course I do stick with the main principles and Spinning guidelines personally, but I don't judge those that don't too harshly. As long as their not being ridiculous like quick push-ups into a drop back into a tricep arm throw. Ha! "What are you doing?!", is definitely what I think though. And weights on the bike - c'mon, it's hard enough to get form correct on the floor. There are limits, that's for sure. I appreciate your comment Paul. ~Cat
I'm a road cyclist and MDA Spinning instructor. From my experience, commercial gyms and spinning studios only care about filling up their classes. It shocks me to witness a very large number of instructors with very little or no real cycling experience. Recipe for disaster.
The answer to that question is that it really depends on a lot of variables. What is your fitness level, how hard are you riding, how often do you ride, etc. So I can't tell you that. I can tell you that my longest indoor ride was 3 hours straight. That was for a fundraiser. Fun, but hard!
Jacob James Yes, a lot of people agree with you. This video was a candid discussion of opinion. I don’t think you need to do them to get a good workout in on the bike. Masses like soul cycle enthusiasts sure dig them though huh!
When we are done with spin classes, we often go out to the leg press machine and do some more push-ups! Ah, no... Right equipment for the job. Bike=cardiovascular/Lower Body workout.
I like the conversation but I think it would be a little more informative if there was an instructor present that actually includes some of the discussed moves in there class. I would be interested in there thoughts.
I was referring more to the push-up. None of you have seen an injury caused by them but I didnt hear anyone say they use them in there class. I guess I'm just interested in listening to a conversation with the traditional and modern or contemporary instructor. I think you guys lean more on the traditional side.
@@marcussanders472 Yeah, I understand. We definitely don't do a lot of those, but to be honest the 3 girls (other than me) in this video don't hear beat well, which is why they don't do them over not doing them because they think they're unsafe. I use to do them ALL THE TIME! Ha. But I don't so much anymore and when I do I always give options for those that don't want to do them.
Well, I definitely like what you are teaching for sure. I do understand about the movements that some instructors do that could cause long term possible injury if conducted wrong. I can definitely tell you that I do incorporate some of those moves but with good posture. I have gotten amazing results from cycling and spinning and I stand by the bike as one of the best cardio programs out there. Keep up the good work and check out some of my new videos that I will be putting out and I will do the same with your site. By the way, outstanding instructor for sure. Extremehealthconsultantllc
If you teach the Spinning Program, then ONLY what is taught is approved otherwise, find a different name for what you teach. And if you are authentic, you don't even call it "Spinning" , you say you "teach the Spinning Program" which you obviously don't.
@@StudioSWEATonDemand No ladies, I'm pretty sure it's not a perspective unless Mad Dogg Athletics has changed their philosophy, so many gyms say they teach Spinning when they should say they teach indoor cycling. There is a difference if you're being authentic and true to the original Spinning program instruction (provided you actually got certified in teaching the Spinning Program).
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Love the sarcasm!!!! Haha I was at first like, WTH!!!
Plain & Simple, if one DOES NOT dance or do aerobics on bikes outdoors, why on earth would you do it on indoor spin bikes? Cat Kom & crew brought up a very interesting & haphazard issue.
SooperFlye because you can & it’s fun... lol
I do Isolation workout on my indoor bike and I absolutely love it!!!! Of course, the success of this move is all about POSTURE. I've learned that on the stand position per example, if you position your hips little more to the back near to the seat you will create the right angle for your knees to not pass over your toes when performing the rotations and your quads and core also gluteus will be the ones target......
You are so right. I do them in my classes and my students love them, but I makes sure the hips are back over the seat and that we are really contracting the abs. It is all about placement and core strength/usage.
Right ladies and the correct resistance . It should now be low
I'm getting a spin bike with a belt drive and I'm really looking forward to it and using your videos to get things going. It all looks way more exciting than going on a treadmill.
That's great! Thanks for checking out our classes.
Cat, great advice. I love my spin class and the instructors at my gym do many of these moves, but don't think I will do them any more since I have a bad back and knees.
Glad this helped, Sid!
I feel that you are completely wrong about doing some of the variations that you show. I feel that as long as it is safe and your getting great results, it is fine. Everyone has their own views on spinning and group exercising.
Hey Lauren, did you watch the entire video? This is a conversation where we each give our perspective and opinion, but we never say what is right or wrong. Really what we're saying is pretty much what you said. Please take another watch before you call us "wrong". We are not calling you wrong. We are having a healthy adult conversation about viewpoints. It's refreshing really.
Yo never know what kind of person is in the class, just because your 23 and teach spin doesn’t mean the 42 year old with back problems should b doing some of these things. But many spin people teach for their own workout! And they are well versed in body mechanics. I’m a spin instructor and had to get a hip replacement because of the q angle on a certain bike. I’m not blaming all spin on hip replacement, but it certainly instigated getting it. I still teach but not 6 classes now, and I do add in some controversial moves, however because I’m also an orthopedic massage and bodywork therapist, I can teach to people who have problems with knee s and spinning with back problems and so on. So not everyone knows what’s safe.....just because you can doesn’t meant you can be sure it’s safe for others.
As certified instructors, you absolutely have the authority to judge right from wrong and to say "no" to movements that have not been authorized by the due diligence of a certification. You should not be afraid of insulting someone by directing them to be compliant with the certification. The true offense, is the insult of injury. The innocent members are relying on you to protect them, while they are in your charge. Do the right thing.
Who told you it was the q on the bike?
Getting great results does not support doing unsafe variations does not make any movement fine. As an instructor, you are there for your class and their body-not your own. They will follow you doing something they shouldn't because they trust you. The amount of spin injuries I see per month for rehab have doubled.
All those jerky jerky moves on a bike is novice and trendy nonsense
Thanks Cat Big Thumbs Up for your Conversations
It would help a lot is you SHOWED what these moves were. Where Can I see the beginner spinner video?
Hey Dan! Here's the Beginner Spinner Video ruclips.net/video/E4XKo1_tD9c/видео.html
As a former indoor cycling instructor, I get so frustrated watching how classes are being taught. In a perfect world, the instructors themselves would be demonstrating proper positioning and form while doing conventional let alone controversial IC movements. However, the majority of the instructors that I see are not and unfortunately their students are mimicking the instructors faulty movement patterns. It seems to me that it is more important to be trendy and try to make people feel as though they are going to collapse from sheer exhaustion than it is to be safe and effective. Watching instructors as they heave their bodies in an effort to maintain over the top resistance or instructors watching passively as students round over and bring their faces towards the handlebars in the ridiculous push up maneuvers or push their hips forward when out of the seat has been sickening. On the bright side, I recently took a class from an instructor that taught 95% of the class in a way that was reminiscent of outside biking and it was just as grueling and challenging as some of the more "controversial" taught classes. The difference was that at no time did she do anything that would be considered contraindicative and she was constantly cueing for proper form throughout the entire class. In addition, she was displaying really good form as well. It was refreshing to say the least and I left the class without once having my eyes or ears "bleed" from poor instruction. I honestly have been feeling like I must be alone in my frustration on this topic and have been relieved and pleased to find Cat Kom's videos on the subject. So thank you ladies for sharing your perspective and reaching out to educate the masses.
Glad you liked this conversation Bridget. I think one of the important things here was just having a candid discussion, as opposed to tearing instructors apart. It sounds like you have a lot of common opinions on the matter though!
Great conversation. I like the comment on the impact of fast jumps on men. Female instructors often don't get it.
It's really simple. . . if you are certified to teach the Spinning program. . . you won't ask your students to do anything on the bike indoors that you wouldn't do riding outside. That's the basis of the Spinning program and always has been. Certified Spinning instructors follow proven protocols and use techniques that are safe for all students. If you want to do crazy things on your own time, go ahead, but not in class please. You're doing your students a big disservice and opening the door for injuries and bad habits. If you don't understand repetitive movement, poor position and body mechanics, please don't teach! To reply to the previous post, there is only one view on "Spinning" and it's what the program teaches otherwise, please call it something else as you're using the term incorrectly.
Hi Paul. I hear ya. This talk is not just about who you're certified through though. I think we should be preaching safety no matter who you're certified through. And though I believe most of what you say is spot on, I have yet to see a certified Spinning instructor not sit up and just lightly pedal on the bike without gripping the handlebards to catch their breath, or adjust their music, etc. Those are all things I wouldn't do on an outdoor bike, but I do as an instructor on my solid amazing Spinning bike. So, that's why I think that coined "don't do anything on the bike indoors that you wouldn't do riding outdoors" is a little overkill. And, mind you this is coming from someone that has been teaching for 13 years and has never seen anyone get hurt in my Spinning class. Of course I do stick with the main principles and Spinning guidelines personally, but I don't judge those that don't too harshly. As long as their not being ridiculous like quick push-ups into a drop back into a tricep arm throw. Ha! "What are you doing?!", is definitely what I think though. And weights on the bike - c'mon, it's hard enough to get form correct on the floor. There are limits, that's for sure. I appreciate your comment Paul. ~Cat
I'm a road cyclist and MDA Spinning instructor.
From my experience, commercial gyms and spinning studios only care about filling up their classes. It shocks me to witness a very large number of instructors with very little or no real cycling experience. Recipe for disaster.
Here’s a suggestion for cycling - go OUTSIDE and ride!
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Spin should be fun and exciting and most importantly safe.
Great talk. I include isolations to certain songs that scream for it, agree no more than 15 seconds at a time, no more than 3 times.
what is the longest spin session that you should be doing?
The answer to that question is that it really depends on a lot of variables. What is your fitness level, how hard are you riding, how often do you ride, etc. So I can't tell you that. I can tell you that my longest indoor ride was 3 hours straight. That was for a fundraiser. Fun, but hard!
Pushups while spinning sounds ridiculous.
Jacob James Yes, a lot of people agree with you. This video was a candid discussion of opinion. I don’t think you need to do them to get a good workout in on the bike. Masses like soul cycle enthusiasts sure dig them though huh!
When we are done with spin classes, we often go out to the leg press machine and do some more push-ups! Ah, no... Right equipment for the job. Bike=cardiovascular/Lower Body workout.
Can you guys show us how to set up the bike
poumayerling You can find our video on proper bike setup here!: ruclips.net/video/E4XKo1_tD9c/видео.html
Studio SWEAT onDemand yes! that setup your bike video was extremely helpful to me. Thank you guys!
You're very welcome!
I wanna live in the spinning world!!😊😊 Wish I grew up there!
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I love miss controversy!!!! we have the same teaching style.
I like the conversation but I think it would be a little more informative if there was an instructor present that actually includes some of the discussed moves in there class. I would be interested in there thoughts.
marcus sanders 2 of the instructors here said they did or had. All 4 actually said they had at least. Take another listen to see what I mean.
I was referring more to the push-up. None of you have seen an injury caused by them but I didnt hear anyone say they use them in there class. I guess I'm just interested in listening to a conversation with the traditional and modern or contemporary instructor. I think you guys lean more on the traditional side.
@@marcussanders472 Yeah, I understand. We definitely don't do a lot of those, but to be honest the 3 girls (other than me) in this video don't hear beat well, which is why they don't do them over not doing them because they think they're unsafe. I use to do them ALL THE TIME! Ha. But I don't so much anymore and when I do I always give options for those that don't want to do them.
Well, I definitely like what you are teaching for sure. I do understand about the movements that some instructors do that could cause long term possible injury if conducted wrong. I can definitely tell you that I do incorporate some of those moves but with good posture. I have gotten amazing results from cycling and spinning and I stand by the bike as one of the best cardio programs out there. Keep up the good work and check out some of my new videos that I will be putting out and I will do the same with your site. By the way, outstanding instructor for sure.
Extremehealthconsultantllc
If you teach the Spinning Program, then ONLY what is taught is approved otherwise, find a different name for what you teach. And if you are authentic, you don't even call it "Spinning" , you say you "teach the Spinning Program" which you obviously don't.
That's definitely one perspective.
@@StudioSWEATonDemand No ladies, I'm pretty sure it's not a perspective unless Mad Dogg Athletics has changed their philosophy, so many gyms say they teach Spinning when they should say they teach indoor cycling. There is a difference if you're being authentic and true to the original Spinning program instruction (provided you actually got certified in teaching the Spinning Program).