Was There A Mystical Meaning To The Hebrew Language?
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- There is this idea that if you convert the Hebrew letters to the images that originated them, in Paleo-Hebrew, then you will be able to turn the text into a visual story. Ok, that's linguistically bunk. Because the idea of the alphabet is that you don't need to do that, you encode sound into letters so you don't have to rely on images to say something. Check it out!
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So יהוה doesn’t mean י / hand ה/ behold ו/ nail ה/ behold ? I think some words DO have deeper meaning when looking at ancient Paleo Hebrew Pictographic symbolism..
I love dr. Heiser and I hope he's doing well but I totally disagree with him on this.
The problem with that view is that the selection of words that do have deeper meaning is completely random. What's to determine that the word יהוה has spiritual significance but the word לחם (bread) doesn't? The selection of words that do have this deeper meaning is completely determined by the person making the point, which renders it ad hoc and making it up as you go along.
And just in case the word לחם has a deeper meaning in the Bible, what's to stop it from having the same deeper meaning in a shopping list or a recipe?
And also remember that, like all languages, Hebrew changes over time. What's to stop one word that had that deeper meaning to have it a thousand years later, when even the spelling has changed? If you remove a letter from the word אהבה (love) into something like אהבהא, the deeper meaning changes cause the component letters change. This is especially important because when the diacritical marks (the dots and dashes that indicate vowels) were introduced after the Bible was completed, many words changed their spelling as some letters that were being used as vowels were no longer necessary. Therefore some words from the Dead Sea Scrolls are spelt differently from modern Hebrew Bibles.
And last thing I can think of. Most alphabets used today are descended from the same Paleo-alphabet. The ox-head aleph sign gave rise to not only the Hebrew א, but also the Greek α (alpha) and the Latin letter A. If א has that spiritual significance due to its origin, then why doesn't every α in the New Testament have the same significance? And better yet, why not every α in every Greek source? And even better yet, why not the letter A in our English Bibles, or in every written work in any language that uses the Latin alphabet, including this comment section?
The only way that this theory can work it to posit that the Bible is some mystical magical document that came directly from heaven and has some mystical 'magical' power. But not even the Bible writers themselves believed this. That is a modern myth that has more in common with Islamic views of the Quran than it does with the beliefs of the Bible authors.
All biblical hebrew words and letters have layers of meanings, but it's not the kind of thing done with Y-H-V-H where context and grammar is lost and you get "behold the hand, behold the nail". First, to get closer to that phrase, the word should be "HYHV" which is not the correct name anymore. "Y-H-V-H" is a contraction of a phrase about the cause of all being, the "BE-er"🍺
Here's a simple example: "ידיד" (yadid) meaning "friend", is a word made up from 2 words "יד" (yod) meaning "hand", but is also a spelling of the letter "י" (yod) which is a pictograph of a hand. So we can say the picture of a friend is some who joins a hand with you "hand-in-hand".
The letter "ד" (dalet) literally means "door" and can mean the physical world. "י" also means ideas/concepts. So the description of a hand is a tool used to take ideas and bring them into this world. The IMPROPER interpretation of "יד" (hand) would be "hand door", and the IMPROPER interpretation of "ידיד" (friend) would be "hand door, hand door"
I love Dr Heiser, but this logic and perspective is faulty. Granted, you can’t use this method on all Hebrew words, or examples like all paragraphs. This fact does not disprove that you can use it on some passages, like psalms 119 which is divided into alphabetical groups that tend to speak on the topic the letter represents.
I’d also point out that calling the original pictographic alphabet “paleo Hebrew” is a misnomer. It is actually proto Semitic Hebrew. Paleo Hebrew is the second edition Hebrew. It is a revision or evolution of proto Semitic Hebrew done sometime around the era of Samuel, but even paleo Hebrew has certain letters that even when changed, continue the story line from the proto Semitic Hebrew.
Generally, I’ve found that the older the Hebrew passage, the more likely it is to have a hidden meaning that corresponds to the pictographic origins of proto Semitic Hebrew.
I have heard Dr Heiser’s view from other scholars, and the issue I have with it is they are approaching the issue from the basis that modern Hebrew has no ability or pictographic connection to a hidden meaning, thus proto Semitic Hebrew can have no ability to be connected to a hidden meaning. This is faulty logic that can be easily explained by evolutionary drift and generational knowledge loss. And of course this is before you factor in that modern Hebrew is at least 3 revisions removed from the proto Semitic Hebrew over 1500- 2000 years.
Then there’s the issue that when you scrabble the words from the proto Semitic Hebrew, it typically will fill out the rest of the story, as in the case of the word ad-wn, ketubah, yachad, mowed etc. So the concept behind the assertion is able to be demonstrated in complex formats. And finally there’s the issue of the gematria of certain words that is also encoded within the alphabet.
In my opinion, the fact that no other language I’m aware of has a hidden mystery behind it, but this one does from its earliest form, that is subsequently lost in its later renditions, simply points to a divine origination for the language and alphabet. It is faulty logic to conclude that a complex alphabet of divine origin cannot exist because simple alphabets of human origin are incapable of duplicating the same level of complexity as the divine.
Way to oversimplify. Suggesting I should just read something rather than reading something into it. How dare you!
Lol
That’s what makes the Hebrew language supernatural because no human or cultural evolution of language could produce so many undeniable associations and meanings within the letters themselves but then also within the combination of the letters actually
Point to the definition of the word.
@Pond3r Thiz it’s not? Have you studied the Hebrew language and actually sephered any scripture with it? There is no other language with as many built in nuances that’s a fact. The Hebrew language is quite literally the building blocks of the universe.
@@AjNotsri Midrash is not Scripture, and midrash that is so late as this story of YHWH creating through the letter "bet" shouldn't be used to inform us of the context of Scripture. These words in the Proto-Sinaitic are stretched as taffy and beaten so harshly that obviously they have to at some point say, "yes! of course I'm meaning what you say I should mean!" As my professor says, this is known as "BS" ("Bad Scholarship").
I appreciate that he is clear if he doesn’t believe something to be so. That being said, it was unfortunate that he glossed over what has been plainly built into the language from its’ creation. I noticed him do similar things when there are leanings toward advanced humanity from the beginning without the evolutionary progression so widely spread. I really enjoy his teaching, but that foundation shows up every so often as a inconsistent logic.
Dr Heiser, I am disappointed that you answered a question that wasn't asked, then glossed over the pictographic origin of root words. Yes, it is ridiculous to read into the text hidden messages that aren't there. But the etymology of many (if not most) individual words is most certainly related to the original pictographs that make up the root. (eg: father is the "aleph/head" of the the "beth/house"). Please clarify. Is it your expert position that this is not so?
Thank you Dr. Broadbrush.
The letter yod originally depicted a literal yod (hand/arm) as did the ayin (eye).
[Beware the cointel troll(s) below; i suppose the earth’s shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse clearly showing that the earth is round and telescopic observation of the other planets being round and rotating are obviously clever satanic tricks right? /sarc]
I think what you are saying was so obvious to Dr Heiser that he couldn't imagine a fellow hebrew expert making a serious big deal out of it.
The person asking the question misunderstood the other Hebrew professor who ONLY INTENDED TO MAKE THE OBVIOUS POINT YOU'RE MAKING. Dr Heiser was shooting down a bad misunderstanding of it and so didn't bother spelling out what you spelled out about yadh & `ayin
Heiser’s audience are generally not other hebrew experts, hence some are expressing disappointment and confusion with his address. He did in fairness clarify that the words don’t linguistically convey a message, which is true. The question is do they convey a message non-linguistically? Until someone can show it being practiced or taught in the scriptures, I lean toward no.
What I find more important and what many don’t realize is numerical gematria is never endorsed as a form of hermeneutics not by teaching or by example in the biblical canon and was picked up by the rabbinic schools in Babylon. It’s literal Babylonian mystery religious practice used to glean “secret wisdom” from the text. How many commentaries and teachers tell you this? What’s ironic is it has long been used to conceal rather than reveal the true meaning behind key text in Rev 13 about the number of the name of the false messiah given as an identifier and in the book warning against the mystery Babylonian system. There’s study on my blog about ‘666’ linked atop my channel too lengthy to post here that gives the documentation for this.
@@AllOtherNamesUsed sorry I didn't read the comments attentively, I was referring to kohler & thought he made your hand & eye comment
I politely disagree. Language absolutly has a spiritual/mystical dimension. He may be an academic on the Hebrew language but he has a western mentality that sees things in 2D. But I respect him and people need to understand NO ONE has all the right answers. I'm glad he shares what he does and value his insights none the less.
Agree..
Too much evidence on the subject to the contrary …
But as u say, none of us has it ALL correct
Yes, the same goes with Japanese kanji (characters). Even though they have meaning on their own, the words are not interpreted “by characters” but as compounds of characters (a few characters together) and bear meaning of the compound. Although it happens occasionally that the meaning can be translated into English by translating each character one by one.
This is fantastic observation by Mr Michael. The language was created specifically to not to use images. Have you ever noticed that symbols are mainly used in all types of witchcraft, from occultism, Kabbalah, Tarot, in Freemasons rituals, in New Age etc. The symbols can be interpreted as someone wishes and may serve someone’s agenda. The same symbol may have different meaning for different person. On the contrary, the language - if properly written - has always the same meaning. Is that the reason why the Bible doesn’t contain images, graphics or sketches in order to preserve its original meaning, and not allow to “freely” interpret it?
Excellent points! However, as you can see by the comment section, there are many who insist on delving into the demonic to "discover' more "meaning". They've been deluded by the devil and its obvious that some like it that way.
@Pond3r Thiz True, but the context is 'pictogram'. Katakana and hiragana don't convey meaning on their own, these are just simplified two alphabets, but kanji character itself has a meaning (broad meaning), this is what corresponds to Hebrew letters (paleo Hebrew). I think to some extend someone could understand the meaning of kanji compound, by interpreting each kanji (character) one by one, but this would not be accurate in most of cases.
> Even though they have meaning on their own
No they don't. Words don't mean. Only a person means.
deeper and more correct meaning through the pictograph language.
It took me 3 attempts to convey
What you wrote in one sentence..
Why did the pictographic proto-writing forms of language disappear in favor of the modern languages?
@@MrBoazhorribilis corruption and captivity! The Samaritans still use an old form
@@broderen6234 How may we know that the interpretation of each Hebrew letter gives us exactly what was intended to be given? How do we know that this 'deeper meaning' is correct? A word consists of letters and usually has limited meaning if interpreted as word, but a symbol has unlimited interpretations. If each letter is symbol then how do we assure a group of people will have the same understanding?
To ignore the pictographic origins of an alphabet is like ignoring the history of a country .
EVERYONE is wrong about something, including Heiser. No one will get to heaven and have a gold star on their report card declaring that they were right about everything. BTH, I am a huge fan of Dr. Heiser, but there will be no pedestals in heaven.
All Glory belongs to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!
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Amen brother, Jesus is Lord and Savior!
but all of us know that Jesus is Son of God, so it is possible that all are right about something
TATI=Romanian DAD-Father=YHVH... picture that :))
Reading some of your comments breaks my heart. Please {re} read 1John 4:7...please....
I've been around people who taught this. I agree. It's clap trap. Non-sense. There are many ways to study the bible that have merit and gives one a closeness with God. The pictograph stuff is just people who want to find secrets.
And the secrets are called the occult. Those who love hidden mysteries are Kabbalists, Masons, Tarot readers, New Age practitioners...
"Languages don't work this way." That is a very strong statement.
From what we see in the Gospels, Jesus used the OT scriptures as they were plainly written. Nowhere do we see that he was looking for a mystical meaning. This is also something to consider while thinking about this topic.
The whole point of the New Testament is that Jesus IS the mythical meaning of the OT Scriptures.
I like to take everything in the bible in the literal context but also consider the symbolism. I do not think the OT is one or the other, but it is geniously written to have much deeper meaning. Thing is, if you obsess over the deeper meaning and forget about the plain text you end up with convoluted interpretations. We should learn from the bible as much as we can, but also not expect to understand every last detail immediately if ever. By all means strive for it, but be humble and accept what God allows you to understand. Humility will open your eyes more . But again, never forget the plain text.
A good example of these sorts of “sings” that may or may not be is the use of the donkey to bring the Messiah into Jerusalem. One asks why a donkey? Turns out the donkey has a cross on its back (google a photo to see what I mean). It was covered as Jesus rode into Jerusalem but there it was. People talk about it now. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a cross. Now, as interesting as that fact is, we do not know if it was meant by God that way. It sure sounds possible, bit it does not bring anything to the table in terms of doctrine. So while its interesting and perhaps good to know, we should stick to the base text and not read too far into it. The basic gospel message is ALL that is needed. Everything else, any other interpretation we should surrender before God, lest it causes division. Seeing Christians argue over calvinism makes me sad. It should never be a source of contention. Agree with it or not, it adds nothing to the gospel to delude ourselves into thinking we understand how God works. It makes me realize why Jesus did what He did. He pretty much simplified everything to just one importan point. The gospel. That God sent His only son to save us by giving His life. We just need to trust God, like Israel was called to do when they entered Jerusalem. They where meant to have no mortal king for God Himself would lead them. They where called to be different. To trust. Let us all trust God and never fear that we are hopeless or leaderless.
@Boris, correct the Angels are said to be the scribes of Heaven. They were formed and began writing God's Words and all the Books of Heaven.
There is no mystical gnosticism in the Bible.
There is no hidden codes and mythical teaching.
Revelation 10
The Angel and the Little Scroll
10 Then I saw another mighty angel(A) coming down from heaven.(B) He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow(C) above his head; his face was like the sun,(D) and his legs were like fiery pillars.(E) 2 He was holding a little scroll,(F) which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land,(G) 3 and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion.(H) When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders(I) spoke. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write;(J) but I heard a voice from heaven(K) say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”(L)
5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land(M) raised his right hand to heaven.(N) 6 And he swore(O) by him who lives for ever and ever,(P) who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it,(Q) and said, “There will be no more delay!(R) 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet,(S) the mystery(T) of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”(U)
8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven(V) spoke to me once more: “Go, take the scroll(W) that lies open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”
9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, “Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but ‘in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.’[a]”(X) 10 I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth,(Y) but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy(Z) again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”(AA)
@@pepethunder what you say reminds me of Deuteronomy 29:29 ;
“The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. ,,
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What? Written letters language come before pictorial image? So, the cage man wrote in which language? English? Then latter they translated into pictorial image?
I'm very sorry but I disagree completely. I think paleo-hebrew is a beautiful language with meanings in the letters and the combination of letters telling a story. But I do agree that one would have to be very careful with this because people would have a tendency to turn it into something that it's not....
Indeed. And Heiser knows in that alphabet Alef means "bull" because the feet of the capital A were actually the horns of the bull head but set upside down or inclined. Not with the later "Hebrew". He knows in that Paleo Hebrew indeed there were vowels and the father of our E though like a reflection on a mirror. Greek Alfa comes from Aleph and Beta from Beth. And God's name was IEVE.which an English speaker wouldn't know how to pronounce, and would SPELL (wrong!). For Heiser is a conundrum to.explain why ISrael and ISaiah have the vowel I with the sound as in Spanish but ISis sounds like "Ay-sees". He won't tell you to read Petrus Alfonsi in his Dialogue Against Jewish in 12th century, he was a Rabi who knew Torah, Talmud, English, French, educated in Muslim.area in Spain and he wrote God's name being IEVE just as we know from Paleo Hebrew and similar to Greek. I as.in "sit, lick, flick, interesting, in, thin" but NOT as in "wine, mine,.swine, line, ".and E as in "let, wet, met,.fed,.red" but not as in "neat, lean, seed, seat, meat, beam".
@@oscarernestoroberts4190IEUE
Linguistically, BUNK
This theology led a fellowship I left in such a bad bad place. So many incorrect interpretations... and the people who push this know next to nothing about Hebrew culture or language outside of some books they were given that affirms beliefs they already have or a trip they did as a tourist.
Excellent video as usual. I hope you're doing well Doc. 😎
So, if this is true, why did the Egyptians write with letters in the shape of animals?
I hope Dr. Heiser is doing well and in remission ! 🙏🏿
Language ALWAYS has mystical meaning. It's called metaphor. Look at Josephs dream interpretations in Genesis. I had no idea this video would be the game changer of whether or not I could listen to Dr Heiser any more. Doctor Buzzkillington.
Please explain the mystical meaning of what you wrote here. I don't see the metaphor?
@@yostoisonin2559 it's meaning was that I disagreed with him. The mystical meaning of Joseph's dream interpretation of the three loaves of bread were three days - something made from the head of grain, and bread only lasted 1 day because there were no preservatives in that time. So three days and the man would lose his head. Rhyme, metaphor, and imagery are all prevalent in language - especially ancient Hebrew.
@@yostoisonin2559 also take "Seraphim" for example. It means fiery serpents or "burning ones." However if you hear the onomatopoeia of it "Sar" sounds like the completely different word for "Prince" and so Saraphim could sound like "Prince ones" and the mystical origin from "Michael, your Prince" related to the archangel Michael mentioned in the book of Daniel.
Yeah sorry I’m going to agree with him. Also sorry if him telling the truth hurts.
"You might want to ask yourself, 'Why am I doing this? It's a language, I can just read it.' "
Love how he presents it as a Martin Luther kneeing his way up the steps moment! 😆
Yep, Hebrew is soooo special that Jesus spoke Aramaic as his primary language and the New Testament is written exclusively in Greek and the Septuagint renderings of the Old Testament dominate NT scriptural quotations, not the Hebrew renderings. There are even Targums (Aramaic) of OT passages in the NT. Even sections of Daniel are not written in Hebrew. Also, none of the NT writers or early Church Fathers recognize such "divine" qualities. More evidence there's nothing intrinsically special about any particular language.
I believe the original question was referring to Lovik’s calculations in “The Berisheet Passover Prophecy”, which are based on a symbolic and numeric understanding of the first Hebrew word in Genesis 1.
Which is easily proven wrong. It's premillenialism hogwash.
The Berisheet Prophecy is quite compelling and I recommend you, Dr. Heiser, at least give it a look.
Off topic. When you talk about the Nephilim you say they were wiped out in the flood. Then you say that the giants in the promised land are related. How so?
What does the Bible say?
The bible says a lot
Dr. Michael Heiser would have to explain this Sinai 375a, a stone slab from Egypt, which is now located in the Harvard Semitic Museum. Why this slab has pictograph symbols that correspond to the Hebrew alphabet. I've learned alot from Dr. Heiser some that makes sense and others that are strongly opposed.
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His point isn't that such interliguistic correspondence isn't possible for ancient Egyptians living in the age of proto-hebrew he simply wants to debunk any modern "exegesis" that seeks to interpret the Bible using such nonsense techniques on later biblical hebrew (not proto-hebrew)
@@tsemayekekema2918 the tablet isn't ancient Egyptian writing actually, It's accredited to hebrew writers. Second "modern exegesis" from who the westernized accepted form or, the judeo Harmenutics for biblical( Tanakh) exegesis. Yeshua himself says I am the Aleph and the Tov(revelations 22:13). את - but from the greek to English it alpha and omega. Furthermore את which is in opening statement of genesis 1 when read in hebrew. Translates to the strength of The covenant in paleo-hebrew pictograph language. Additionally the tov in pictograph form is a cross meaning covenant. Lastly to the hebrews were given the covenants, laws, phrophets, and Yeshua The Messiah. (Romans 9: 4 -5) so I'll take their biblical "exegesis" Preferably.
Thats due to the phonesions.
It isn't opposed that a tablet is found. Many tablets are found. Even Hebrew tablets. Sumerian tablets.
Egypt is not the founding civilization. Egypt is the northern culture group of Africa. South of Egypt were and still are tribes of cultures that speak incomprehensible phonetic languages (systems of clicks and sounds) even to this day.
Egypt is not the best source for the origination of languages. Those of the Tower of Babel were naturally forced to form their respective dialect languages, based on interaction between those who understood each other. They were almost certainly forced to separate because men that do not understand each other disagree , as you are confirming. All points of which prove they stem from a original language system. An original language base form.
Hebrew appears to the only surviving "Original" language of earth pre-Flood of Genesis.
It is possible that Noah and his family spoke different languages as well, based on an original base language root base. Speaking through images is not plausible. Because the language was in existence already. It is known that Melchizedek was in rule of Israel pre-Flood. And the Temple system in place so it would Hebrew that existed first. After the Flood it is possible that Hebrew was not written but rather orally spoken. However the language existed. That aspect of which languages existed post-Flood, Pre Tower of Babel, I have not researched fully.
Anyting that has to confirm the evolutionary construct of cave images are pre-neanderthal humanoids scratching images onto tablets as a do of communication is condition for intellectual irrationality. There were ignorant people groups, though. But that is not the origination of linguistics. Origination of languages after the Tower of Babel confusion, That would be a natural phenomena of sin and punishment.
Sumeria, Egypt, and even China and Japan are known to be post-Flood languages that the inhabitants did not understand each other nor could they community what they were saying. It was people speaking in Babel, and then forming images and and story language to interpret their co-respective speech.
didn’t really do much. just made a bunch of claims that the language isn’t meant to be that way. didn’t provide any evidence for it.
Of course the Hebrew letters aren't supposed to be interpreted according to their pictograms. Everybody knows that. The reason people see it that way is because they believe that the Hebrew language is divine and it's a message from God, which, if you believe in God, isn't out of the ordinary at all. Therefore, this is more of an argument as to whether God exists or not, not how language should be interpreted. If you believe, then thinking the pictograms is conveying a story is perfecty normal, if you don't believe, then it's a bunch of hooey because God doesn't exist and Hebrew isn't a divine language, so there is no special message. Regardless of what you believe, however, I will point out that it is quite amazing that when you look at the name of God in it's original Proto-Cannanite pictographical forms it tells the story of a hand and a nail, now I wonder who that could be referring to.
I attempted it on the words Mars and Venus, coming up with an approximation to Semen and Wife respectively.
Thank you Dr. Heiser. My wife and I have learned a lot from your videos. Praying 🙏 for you and your family daily
Precisely why one should never turn to an Academician who studies linguistics for anything outside of the most bland possible description.
In fact that goes across the board with academia being a Greek philosophy of scepticism subsequently turned into a religion i like to term ‘Academism’ will always give the blandest possible answer with the least insight imaginable.
It’s just the nature of scepticism nothing more, scepticism by definition must have a bias toward mediocrity.
As if the symbolic script just came from no where and we attched our own meaning to it.
The Aleph Bet is just refined pictures. Knowing the original meaning of the symbols does give more depth of meaning, but it requires study, which most are not inclined toward.
Thank Yah this man isn’t the final arbiter of truth. It’s funny how some scholars can be soo invested that they don’t even sell truth but let their opinions stand as truth.
He provided no evidence nor did he even have a reasonable argument to Go with. Only I’m not buying it and you shouldn’t have to guess. Well our words carry multiple meanings and is ultimately guess with too. Soo I’m not buying his denial.
God had Daniel write a different script in captivity to hide the pictographic language. And the depth of meaning it reveals.
This guy has absolutely no idea of what he's talking about.
Hrs going to burn in hell.
to say you don't need pictures to express what it says, and that it only needs to be read or heard to know its meaning. you are using visual imagery as your base which are letters that were derived from pictures, let me ask you a question, what does a deaf person who can't read as well do with your methodology as he/she can't hear or read what's been written, oh let me guess sign language? the body or your hands gesturing different poses, ah yes, a picture formed based language. I think the picture based would have been the first, if not the first form of communication between peoples even reading someone's face is visual imagery we can read if someone's happy, sad, angry etc. therefore pictographic. then they would have written, painted, printed, carved these sign languages into pictographs to express the same thing without having to do the gestures part of sign language why? because now it's written in picture form. it still captures the same meaning and expression.
Okay, however every single Jewish rabbi on the planet teaches that there are mystical meanings to the words and letters of the hebrew language. Why exactly do you think you know more about their language than the native speakers
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Ephesians 2:8-9
John 3:16
Romans 10:9-13
Ephesians 1:13-14
Ephesians 4:30
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I would say Michael is already "fringe" enough in much of what he teaches. So he Can't afford to offend the academic gods any more than he already has.
Also, He doesn’t realise just how fast this field is really moving.
As stated before Academics are ALWAYS about 7 to 10years behind the real research.
Oh well, ask him in 7 years.. I bet answer will be very different.
Well, the fact the the gentlemen has no imagination, doesn’t implies no pictographic meaning. lol lol lol
I'm just looking forward to learning our language that was taken from us!
Brother, I am stunned that you reject all commentary that paleo Hebrew letters give to the depth of understanding of each word. How can you fail to correlate the imagery of the Heavenly constellations that pertain to Rev12 and the imagery of paleo Hebrew in the way that Abba chooses to communicate with those who know and love Him?
“Try that with a whole paragraph” you say? How about “try a word study that includes the paleo letter meanings.”
Start with “shalom”
-shin lamed vav mem:
Destroy
(the) authority
attached (to)
chaos
There is more to this, Mike. ❤️
brother Micael thank you for your explanations...always illuminating...
Cos you are using a western mindset and philosophy for an Eastern people that always believed in the concrete
This teacher is as false as they come. He tried to answer without having studied it.
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I love the fact all languages point to Israel. All nations West of Israel read and write from left to right, and all nations East of Ireal read and write from right to left. Hence all nations languages point to Israel.
That was one of the many falsehoods Missler spread.
That's a lie
Just the Hebrew letters themselves Are descriptive of our savior but not to be inferred in the dialogue they're used in communication of speech. The two are separate.
It's not from Egypt it's Phoenician
This man dismisses anything he doesn’t understand as if he himself is the ultimate authority, go figure.
Thankyou! Bible codes, ibid.
YHVH= YHWH
BEHOLD THE HAND
BEHOLD THE NAIL
GOD IS SO GOOD
ALL IN LINE TO REVEAL
HIS PLANS TRHOUGH HISTORY
AND ARCHEOLOGU FINDNGS
ALEPH AND TAV
THE HEAD OF RAM
AND THE MARK
THE FIRST AND THE LAST
THE HOLU SACRIFICED
JESUS
I disagree he just watered down paleo Hebrew
This is the danger of trying to be too analytically correct all the time...you end up outsmarting yourself - and this isn't the first time Dr. Heiser. Digging for hidden treasure is a good but addicting thing, so don't give yourself spiritual Miner's Lung in the process and miss the value of what you're goal was.
Some of this is hogwash. But some of this isnt.
It sounds like he is not even a believer! Next
You’re not my guy, YHWH is ! Amen
It doesn’t belong everywhere but we see characters of the Bible use it from time to time.
I’m sorry I don’t think that’s right.
I don't reject it either.
God's language doesn't come from Egypt. The Hebrew language survived the Flood.
The origins on languages now spoken are an accumulation of illiterate men who became confounded men. They speaking thousands of languages began forming images and tallying systems to communicate with and amongst each other. (Ref. Tower of Babel)
Sumeria holds the world's oldest fixed recorded language other then Hebrew.
The archæolgical artifacts in tablet form that survived show they formed their language that held a numbering system within a photographic based photo-cyrillic language.
Sumeria was a nation that conquered the barbaric cultures in the middle east, the original Babylonians . This is pivotal to Biblical inerrancy because Babylon is the original enemy to God and His people. They formed the first language other than Hebrew being the original. Yet to the north, In Slavic barbarian mountain regions they had photo-cyrillic. But we see that this was a basis for forming languages, and serves to mirror the process of forming languages.
If you do not even know what language you are speaking, then the natural systemal result is to form it into something that can be communicated visibly. They spoke some language but it wasn't transferrable, the language, but the image based utterance called Phonetics where we get the word Phoenicia. Their language also formed around the time of Babylonian Sumeria, Akkad. And is a culture that describes the God of the Bible. YHWH. Of El as they referred to Him in Aramaic.
El was the widely recognized God of all the Canaanite people and his name is coupled with Yah in some Proto-Canaanite inscriptions. Short for Elohim. But the name of Yah has not yet been found in the Sinai as well. Scholars simply lie about this. For Arabs God's name began as a mistranslation of Elohim.
Hebrew is based alongside the Aramaic language and photo-phoenician , photo-canaanite etc. Very similar products of linguistics. Yet Hebrew survived the Flood. It's a middle eastern language, and different cultures can understand each other bases on the stem roots of some words.
Hebrew has never changed. Only the format in with which we communicate it, called dialects. Adding strokes or dots and punctuation for grammatics.
There is even something called logogrammatic language; this an Asian form of the middle eastern photo-cyrillic that simply uses many strokes of the pen to create a verb noun adjective Word.
Where most language starts from is, subject , verb and object comprisal.
Interesting, I have seen many of these teachings. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us, grateful for your insight.
More importantly and what many don’t realize is numerical gematria is never endorsed as a form of hermeneutics not by teaching or by example in the biblical canon and was picked up by the rabbinic schools in Babylon. It’s literal Babylonian mystery religious practice used to glean “secret wisdom” from the text. How many commentaries and teachers tell you this? What’s ironic is it has long been used to conceal rather than reveal the true meaning behind key text in Rev 13 about the number of the name of the false messiah given as an identifier and in the book warning against the mystery Babylonian system
For documentation, there’s a blog post on this called 666 - The Revelation from Moses and Ezra in the link atop my channel too lengthy to post here.
Heisner runs away from the mystical as much as he can and I think he misses much when he does but its sensible that he tries to stay on the safe side.
...is why this man is dead
they are not from egypt
Does a bereshit in the woods?
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you'll never be one of mine.
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Gotta love the pug sticker on his laptop. I'm inspired and also terrified at the same time.
Ha ha! IKR. 😉👌
Lol. Just blew the Cepher out of the water...
Hebrew letters/,language derived from the Egyptian language?
The letters do have a deeper meaning
From my understanding, the current Hebrew alphabet has 22 letters and the Ancient Hebrew had 23. Why the difference? Well, not exactly related to the video but maybe he could answer anyway. Thanks.
There are words in Ga Ewe Igbo Yoruba in my kjv bible?
THE WORD OF GOD gives meaning to a lot of words if you search for meaning in pictures.
You are one of my favorite teachers but there is most definitely merit here and alot of beauty in this paleo pictographs letters and way before Egypt. if you took the time to see it I think it would floor you. The Hebrew language is the DNA of creation and its devine. The Hebrew language is verb based and in motion but English is noun based. God bless your teaching and I watch and LOVE most if your videos may Hashem continue to bless your head with oil and continue to anoint your steps
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Got a LOT on Pictographic Hebrew.
I like Heiser but he's ignorant here. Been studying the deeper things long enough, he'll have to debunk EVERY insight n correlation on my other channel to convince me otherwise.
Ever read the Toledat Yeshu? Pretty nasty but they talk about writing on their body to enchant their bodies so they can fly, etc. I get that its a smear article against Jesus, but why talk about using Hebrew words to perform miracles and to be able to fly?
If anyone doesn't agree with him try it on a random paragraph like he said and convince him.
Nobody will do that, because its too much work to prove themselves wrong. Some people would rather cling to their own years of studying extinct Ancient Near East languages/writing.
Is it me or does Heiser seem to disqualify the mystery or supernatural aspect of scripture when he has a chance? If the Word is inspired, and the sentences of the Word are given, then the individual words are and so are their individual components - the letters. Pictographic or not. The letters are inherently mystical from a God given perspective belonging to his Chosen People. Ask these questions to the Rabbi or Orthodox Jew instead of this fella.
It isn’t just you.
Dr heiser knew what answer the audience wanted.
But he chose to be honest.
I respect him for being true.
Nobody have all the knowledge in this world.
Dr heiser maybe an expert at the other thing. But you should learn the depth of hebrew language from israel rabbis.
How do we know that the pictures were not already known to mean something. like how the letters of the alphabet were just pictures before they were assigned meaning? I could have misunderstood...
So what came first the Alphabet or the the oral words?
In addition,the symbol was pure in that it's true meaning was only known to the maker and those he reviled it too.,In Writeings of old and current times of today the capus maxima,capus media and capus minima were used Greek ,latin,hebrew the mix of the 3 result in what looks like it says one thing but truly saying nothing at all due, the mixing of said capus.ie
jon smith,Jon Smith,JON SMITH.
Which is correct.which is considered a lowest standing in commerce and which is is the highest,the all small letters have the highest standing,all caps lowest standing.now with a symbol the maker declares what is it's meaning so it is standard.thoses that are unable to read can recognize the little green power box with the symbol of the child and the bolt of lighting,you don't need to read when it clearly shows if you touch this you get shocked..
This is the first video of Dr Heiser’s where I have no idea what he’s talking about or really what the question was trying to ask lol. Above my pay grade I guess? I gather there are people that believe there are secret messages in ancient Hebrew passages that can be decoded by referencing the pictographic form of the language? That’s what I took from it. I may have completely missed the mark.
I had a lengthy argument with people who insisted that N'sibidi is a form of ancient African writing. Indeed, that is bunk.
That is the reason why N'sibidi, a collection of pictographic and ideographic elements , cannot be used to convey the following simple sentence: " I used to like being around cats till I was told that I developed an allergy ". Impossible.
the entire alphabet came from the original Hebrew text.
The literacy rate of many peoples of the time was very low, reserved to the priest class and or some royalty, and including merchants such as the phonesions who were credited with the onset of the alephbet that emerged in to what is Hebrew writings. The phonesions originally used those symbols as instruction for the Ikea style ships they would manufacturer,meaning the aleph piece connects to bet piece,bet connects to dalet.how it became used for actual writeing behooves one here..
Heiser's opinion is correct on a certain level. "But the natural man does not receive the matters of the Spirit of Elohim, for they are foolishness to him, and he is unable to know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Cor 2:14)
Even the men that walked with Yeshu didn't understand their depth, but "then He opened their minds to the Scripture." (Luke 24:45)
Sadly, man's arrogance blinds them from the absolute Sovereignty and Power of the Breath/Spirit of YHWH. He goes where He wills and He reveals things at a depth beyond the human mind's intellectual comprehension. Heiser is simply telling you HIS best educated understanding. He has the right to his opinion.
When a person has an near death experience they will tell you that communication and understanding is done spiritually. They literally struggle to express their experience because "words simply fail" to describe their experience. The Power of the Father's Spirit is contained IN His originally given letters of "Scripture", the Word He wrote with His physical Finger, and its His Spirit that reveals their true intent and understanding. This is how YHWH ELOHIM/Yeshu, "in whom (eternally) dwells all the fullness of the Divinity corporally", the "Angel and Son of Aloha", can say He is the "Alef and the Tau", the Beginning and the End. Heiser can be completely correct on one level but absolutely incorrect on another. We should seek shalom with all men.
Yes, there are some exceptions in Hebrew where we can see the characters give extra meaning to a word, but this is not the rule. The things hidden from ordinary man, are spiritual things concerning God which can be understood only by those who have 'mind of Christ' - meaning us Christians. This is what 1 Cor 2:14 says. These things are: who is Christ, resurrection, heavenly beings, Second Coming, the cause of death, the importance of sin, mysteries of Paul etc. Things like that can be discerned only spiritually. Nothing indicates that Christians have some supernatural way of understanding Hebrew text.
Hieroglyphics came much later than Paleo Hebrew, how would you explain this?
I would say, paleo hebrew came first and then later came hieroglyphics
@@gerrydean7696 My point exactly, and the Egyptians were highly advanced during that era and was using picture graphics too tell stories and document events, even with a sophisticated print.
@@manf9593 This is the main question archeologists ask: who are Egyptians? There is theory that one tribe of Israelites (or Noah's descendant, so not exactly Israelites) wondered south and then split (the Flacon Tribe), one group came to Nile and Upper Egypt and the other to India. Egyptian and Indian history cannot explain how these civilizations acquired knowledge to build stone structures. The just popped up out of nowhere. What the archeologists and historians know is, there was sudden appearance of those cultures without progressive development, meaning someone brought technology. Another aspect is the pantheon of Egyptian and Hindu gods. In short, there is a lot of resemblance between them (neglecting cultural aspect). It could be that those who were responsible for those cultures are Hebrews themselves (or early Hebrews, from Ebr), certainly those who were idolaters (so they brought their gods/beliefs), and that's why to this day there exist enmity between Egypt, India and Israel (in general meaning, of course). Nimrod ('the Mighty Hunter'.) is also known as Osiris, I bet there is Hindu god who can be described in short as 'Mighty Hunter'. And if I am not mistaken those cultures emerged when God was silent for 400 years.
Thank you Dr Heiser for being so, honest ! I love this. It reminds me of being at ASU, in one of my ancient art history classes. This is fantastic. Thank you and the LORD bless you and your family.
I was a bit disappointed in that Hebrew (paleo or otherwise) is built up from 3 letter roots with added prefixes and suffixes. Without all the short-cuts/idioms added to Hebrew, the basic language is one of the most elegant and simple ones I have ever learned (barely) and seems to be very pattern-centric. The other real interesting aspect of the Hebrew language is that each latter has a numeric equivalent (or two or three) and makes for a rich way to find hidden things within it. People that follow this kind of thinking call it a "Rhema" which is a bit of a mystical idea. A lot of this started with Chuck Missler who wrote the Bible Codes book and actually believed that the bible WAS the book of life and that the names of all the saved where hidden within it.
I don't buy all of that but did for some time. What I would love to know is how old is this language? Was there a written form in the days of Adam/Noah/Enoch? That would be interesting to know.
Another very interesting thing I would like to find is a Bible that explains the meanings of every name. Missler had this meaning of names thing taken from the geniology of Adam to Noah and its well known and pretty cool - If its really true.
I thnk one of the best things that Logos could do is produce a dictionary of all the names (people and places) that are in the Bible and their likely meanings. I think the answer to the question of this video was a bit inadequate.
You was disappointed because it's elegant?! Maybe I don't understand
I agree with you 100% but wasn't all language come from pictographs? Also are we talking about language here or SPELL-ing? Meaning the art of casting a spell or or actual language the art of studying lingua the tongues/mouths/or spoken word?
Most likely not, it wasn't that way necessarily for every culture. Originally there were written languages before the Flood.
They are all lost.
But for languages after the Babel fall, yes they most certainly did have image pictographic languages or phonetics or even simply markings that they decided we're there words.
It's what we are speaking in right now.
English is a pronunciation of markings. Based on a vocabulary system.
Vocal is the root of our word for vocabulary.
Vocabulary definition. "list of words with explanations," from Medieval Latin vocabularium "a list of words," from Latin vocabulum "word, name, noun," from vocare "to name, call," which is related to vox (genitive vocis) "voice" (from PIE root *wekw- "to speak"). The meaning "range of words in the language of a person or group" is attested from 1753
But actually I do agree with the parts that you mentioned, spell casting is based on using the ability to speak. But no not all languages were based on that side of witchcraft.
But glad that you brought that up.
No sir, the explanation you give is going backwards, you're explaining it backwards. Pictures came first. Then the letters. The Otiot do, indeed, give meaning. This is the only language you can see Yahuahs divine language given to the ancient Hebrews. For example, look at Adam, in Hebrew, which signifies blood. Adam was Father's first man of life, vitality, life blood. Adam means blood. We are not to consume any lifeblood. Blood is holy. This is also why satanic cults drink the blood. Each letter has meaning, each letter carries a positive or negative impact. It's quite an opportunity to expand your horizons and insight into Abbas work of His Word. You won't be disappointed if you give it an honest moment to reveal the secrets Hebrew holds to the student. You won't lose anything in opening thisKings. Afterall, He told us His revealed secrets are the honor of kings that seek them out.
Agreed Chuck misler would also agree 👍
Spoken speech preceded written text. Abraham picked up Hebrew likely when he went to Canaan, where the Canaanites and Moabites were speaking a nearly
Identical language to Hebrew.
Agreed , and many Hebrews would agree as well .
Chuck took some "liberty's" with that. The Genesis 5 name sequence he did maybe suspect. If you root around you'll find Michael talking about this on a video somewhere.
I want it to be true, I am not sure it is.
Whitham allow me to take a moment of your time. Your right that in some cultures pictures came first however in the case of the Jews originally the Bible was passed orally first not pictures. This is shown when the bible is extremely poetic (as memory tool) it's also the rabbi and priests job to memorize scripture from young. In regards to "Adam" the name is more related to ground and specifically reddish ground because Adam sounds like ground (haadama) (cool side note King David is also described as being red or ruddy) it's even more supported when God curses man that from the ground he came and to the dust he returns (very poetic). Next is the blood thing...I believe you should refer to leviticus 17 that hebrews is quoting about law. It states life is in the blood and life is Holy. Notice how leviticus says to cover blood with dust after draining an animal to consume. Also remember how Jesus at the last supper tells his disciples to eat this bread and drink this wine bc this is my flesh and blood. My aim in all of this is to show that the Bible is written to support narratives and emphasize a point done through imagery but not probable that it was drawn to be passed on. And if you still doubt that it was drawn first and not orally passed then written.... do realise that ideas came first but for it to spread it needed to be done orally like story telling because the Jewish nation did not settle until Israel was formed generations after Abraham.
To me, the idea that all of Israel forgot their language in the span of 70 years seems completely preposterous. Forget about the 5/6ths of the total who were of the northern tribes for a moment and assume they forgot. Let's look at the two southern tribes who were taken into Babylon. We're to believe after becoming new slaves, within only 70 years, they completely forgot how to speak, read and write their own language. We must be missing something here. Was there a reset? Mabe they all got beat with a stupid stick? I don't know but something's fishy here.
What are even talking about? They didn't "forget" anything. Paleo-Hebrew Script was replaced with Classical Hebrew Script during the exile due to Aramaic influence. Languages change their scripts over time; Greek and Latin did it. English has done it more than once. Jews still sometimes used Paelo-Hebrew after the exile; the recent Dead Sea scroll discoveries in the Cave of Horrors have God's name written in Paleo-Hebrew. It seems you don't know the difference between a language and a script.
More importantly and what many don’t realize is numerical gematria is never endorsed as a form of hermeneutics not by teaching or by example in the biblical canon and was picked up by the rabbinic schools in Babylon. It’s literal Babylonian mystery religious practice used to glean “secret wisdom” from the text. How many commentaries and teachers tell you this? What’s ironic is it has long been used to conceal rather than reveal the true meaning behind key text in Rev 13 about the number of the name of the false messiah given as an identifier and in the book warning against the mystery Babylonian system.
For documentation, there’s a blog post on this called 666 - The Revelation from Moses and Ezra in the link atop my channel too lengthy to post here.
@@AllOtherNamesUsed Fantastic. I'll go take a look. Thanks for sharing.
@@RestoringReality Ihope it blesses you and helps you fight the good fight. 🐲🥊
I love you and your teaching, Mike!
God bless you forever more!
INRI
The clue is here Isaiah 52:6 Matthew 27:37
I believe it's actually in Genesis.
"Come, let Us (Godhead) go down there and confuse their language so that they will not understand one another’s speech" Gn 11:7
I’m in prayer with you Dr. Heiser. G҉ꪮ𝕯 B҉ꪶ🅔𝚜𝓼 Y҉ዐŬ̈
Ⓙ𝖊S̥ͦ𝖚Ⓢ 𝓛𝕠ꪜꏂ𝖘 Y̆̈ᵒꪊ