Defeated By...A Lack Of Glue?: Focke-Wulf Ta 154 Moskito
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- In this video, we take a look at the Focke-Wulf Ta 154 "Moskito, a mid-World War II fighter and/or night fighter from Germany. We first talk about Germany's increasing need for a dedicated night fighter as WW2 progressed, as their advances slowed and Britain and America increasingly would attack German cities. We look at the request put out by the German Air Ministry and the Ta 154's competition in the Heinkel He 219 and the Junkers Ju 388. We then talk about the comparative superior performance of the Ta 154 over the other two designs.
Then, we talk about how the Ta 154 generally copied a British aircraft known as the de Havilland Mosquito, being an all wood design that would be held together with a strong adhesive rather than nails, screws, or rivets. We look at the troubled prototypes of the Ta 154, frequently crashing and seeing ever decreasing performance . We talk about the "straw that broke the Moskito's back" in the destruction of the factory making the glue for the plane, and how their replacement adhesive utterly failed, thus dooming the Ta 154.
The mosquito was glued,but also held together with tens of thousands of small brass screws
“Never glue without a screw “
That's one hellova chat up line
@@bigblue6917🤣🤣🤣
The Dutch ship Duyfken was the first European ship to land in Australia in 1606. No nails or screws just wood joinery and dowels. A reproduction was made by the Australian Maritime Museum.
@@drstrangelove4998 You're welcome
@@williamzk9083 The British once made a full size clinker built ship. It flexed to much on its maiden, and only sailing, that everyone on board was terrified from fear of it coming apart. Once back in harbour the whole crew, including the officers, refused to sail her again.
You could say the "thousand year Reich" has as much longevity as the glue on the Ta 154!
Har har, never mind the fact it took dozens of countries 12 years to bring down the European Axis of whom 90% of the fighting was done by one country.
@@BasedpilledandtradmaxxedGermany lasted as long as it did by surprise and isolation. Took out France and the USSR with surprise early war. Then fought the British in North Africa where they got defeated heavily by American supplied Brits, and then had to be on the retreat for the second half of WW2.
@@Basedpilledandtradmaxxed five and a half years
Actually, the GLUE lasted LONGER!! 😊😄
@@bigblue691712 years is using the pretty commonly accepted other start date of the beginning of the Sino-Japanese war
Actually, the Mustang mk.1(P51-A) with the Allison engine was really fast at low altitudes, so the Brits used them to great effect in the fast photo recon, ground attack and long range armed scouting roles. It was hardly a failure, except that the greater ongoing need was for high altitude bomber interception and dogfighting with escort fighters. Hence the effort to adapt the Merlin. Brilliant engineering by the Brits and great intuition by the procurement section.
Mustang Mk.I & Mk.Ia (P-51) actually both preceded the P-51A (Mustang Mk.II), but your points about the performance are well taken.
It also gave the Brits 50 cal 4 or 6 gun capability.
“💡 Let’s give it a SUPERCHARGED MERLIN ” - “Brilliant !” 🙄
@@lancaster5077 But the 'Brits' had 20mm cannon by then anyway.
Yes true. I think the Kittyhawks had 50 cal machine guns too.
Your introduction tangents never fail to make me happy.
Seconding this
Ta-154: *suffers from shitty glue*
The entire range of Yak aircraft: "First time?"
All of Russia’s industrial sector: Hm. Pathetic.
Heinkel He-162 : hold my beer
@@prowlusTa holds it, its hand falls with it.
@@prowlusFunny enough, it was the same glue with the Moskito as it was with the Spaatz. TEGO film was a big problem in those days!
@@prowlus to be fair, one of the issues with the adhesive was sabotage. The fragility of the tail design was another.
I made a 2 meter diameter hot air balloon at science camp in my teens with a camp buddy. We had a pattern supplied by the camp counselors, constructed it out of paper for the skin with multiple sections glued together using Elmers yellow glue, and reinforced with packaging string between the sections for extra strength. There was a sturdier paper board collar attached at the throat of the balloon that allowed it to be fitted over a stove pipe coming from a wood stove to provide the hot air.
Three teams made balloons, but ours was the best and flew the best because my buddy and I focused on completing its construction, while the rest of our team and the other teams goofed off climbing the hills surrounding the camp.
The DH Mosquito had the entire wooden airframe built at furniture factories and transported to De Haviland for the final assembly. The Mosquito NF MkXXX in 1944 could reach 425mph fully loaded and was the fastest piston engine Night Fighter of WW2. However the British also had glue issues, though the glue worked great in moderate climates, it was not too good in hot and humid climates encountered in the Far East.
Btw they are planning to build a hornet as the actual moulds still exist. Imagine a low pass at 400 mph with one engine shut off. But that's probably against the rules now!
@@womble321 That would be something to see.
Many of them were sadly just left there to rot.
As I understand the Brits were using casein glue for the mosquito, being made from milk it is biodegradable and could be broken down by fungi in humid climates.
I think they may have partially addressed the issue by going to a phenol-formaldehyde resin in later production.
Didn't several Canadian-built Mossies disintegrate or explode during transfer flight over the Atlantic?
Glue issues?
Lack of *specific* glue. Meanwhile, De Havilland came up with something even better.
1 To be fair the Germans had an excellent process. TEGO film was not a glue but an adhesive sheet that was placed between wood ply and then pressed by male and female dyes into a 3D shape. Heat was applied to cure the glue and mold the plywood into shape. It was effective and strong.
2 The Ta 154 was not really cancelled because of the replacement glue was acidic. There were many reasons.
a/ The Ta 154 was promoted by the powerful Erhard Milch who saw it as providing the benefit of not needing Aluminum and being able to use a cheap and available Jumo 211 by 1944 he had fallen out of favor due to an argument with Hitler and he was no longer in a position to promote this anachronistic project. (which he did obsessivily to the point of suppressing the He 219)
b/ However analysis showed that with the improved 1500hp Jumo 211N the aircraft could not cope with the Mosquito and that the Jumo 213 would be needed. Junkers abandoned Jumo 211N development was abandoned to focus on the Jumo 213 which was not realistically available till mid 1944 leaving only the 1450hp Jumo 211J engine.
-It's not surprise that the Mosquito with a 2 stage inter-cooled Merlin using 100/130 octane fuel would outperform 1 stage inter-cooled Jumo 211 using 87 octane.
c/ The cockpit tended to disintegrate on impact which needed redesign.
d/ By 1944 it was obvious that the Jets like the Me 262 and Ar 234 were going to work. The Ta 154 was now a total waste. It wasn't only the air ministry that wanted to kill of the Ta 154 it was the chief designer at Focke Wulf, one Kurt Tank. He wanted to concentrate on the Ta 400 Jet fighter and the Fw 190 and Ta 152 which had wooden wings with a steel spar.
3 The foolishness of the Ta 154 was that it was started in late to mid 1942 which is too late to complete development in time to be useful. Germany's failure was not developing the Fw 187 which would have given the Luftwaffe a Mosquito/P-38 equivalent in 1940 by firstly denying it the DB601 engines it needed and secondly the air ministry ruining it by trying to turn it into a zerstoerer. Imagine someone in the USAAF insisting the P-38 needed a rear gunner before it was allowed to enter service.
@@williamzk9083didn't the low pressure radiators affect drag? The merlin high pressure wing mounted ones were brilliant
To be fair, even the De Havilland Mosquito had occasional issues of coming unglued in flight.
@@Karagianis only from the de haviland factory the Canadian and Australian factories didn't have any troubles
@@gingernutpreacher The low pressure of the Annular radiators was an advantage in drag. The British tested annular radiators on Tempest and found them significantly superior to chin. The only reason they didn’t convert to annular was because the centre of gravity changes had knock on effect and it requires some re-engineering and redistribution of weights for a production variant. The spitfire and the 109 both had fairly sophisticated pressure recovery concepts that basically used the duct as a ramjet but neither aircraft was very good in that area. P51 used the same concept but it was a much better implementation.
The Germans had rockets, jets, guided torpedoes, and assault rifles - but they were never able to match what the Americans had Americans: duct tape.
You're about 20 yrs or so too early. Duct tape didn't come into its own until the Apolo 13 mission.
@@turkeytrac1 Apollo 13 might have been its finest hour, but the stuff was around for quite a while. Before the 20th century in fact, though the stuff we tend to think of showed up during WWII to seal/waterproof Ammo cans courtesy of the Johnson and Johnson company that had been making medical tape.
100 octane aviation gas
Except it wasn't Americans they were trying to plagiarize but DeHavilland out of the U.K.
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The DH Mosquito was in its element in the temperate European climate. When it was sent to the humid, tropical climate of the CBI theater, it wound up having the same problem with the glue not holding up as the Ta 154 and was soon withdrawn.
FYI: German aircraft designations were the the first two letters of the manufacturer, or in the case of double named makers, the first letters of each name, e.g. Focke-Wulf - FW; Blohm und Voss - BV. Kurt Tank (Koort Tahnk, please), an aeronautical engineer and test pilot who led the design department at Focke-Wulf, was so well respected (the FW 200 and FW 190 were his designs) that he was the only designer to have two of his designs be given the 'Ta' designation rather then FW: the the high-speed/high-altitude Ta 152, an iteration of the FW 190; and the ill-fated Ta 154.
No, De Havilland produced a new type of glue that stood up to humidity and insects.
"FW: the the high-speed/high-altitude Ta 152, an iteration of the FW 190;"
You forgot the word 'crap' after the word 'the' but before the word 'High'
Regarding the Mosquito delamination problems in the tropics. I suggest you do a tad more research.
@@dupplinmuir113 Mosquitos were also made in southern Australia where the climatic conditions didn't differ quite enough to upset the original glue, but were also used successfully in the tropical North, so the improved glue must have been available by then.
Apart from the defective substitute glue, what about the wood itself? De Haviland built the DH.98 Mosquito from wood because that was their preferred material, the argument that the project would not stress the supply of aircraft-grade aluminum was just icing on the cake. The pre-war de Haviland Albatross airliner had already proved the concept of high-performance all-wood construction aircraft. In designing the Albatross and later the Mosquito, de Haviland learned that the choice of wood was paramount to success. Their ideal material was birch plywood with balsa wood (ochroma) cores. Excellent birch was available from U.S. and Canadian sources, and balsa was available from Ecuador and other regions of South America. Later on, due to shortages they substituted American Sitka spruce for the balsa wood. Birch was also the prime material used in the Hughes Hercules flying boat, though it was unfairly and stupidly labeled the "Spruce Goose" by reporters.
Without any background in designing all-wood construction aircraft, what sort of wood did Kurt Tank select for the Ta 154? There was abundant birch in Russia, but by 1943 Germany was on the retreat in Russia -- not a good situation for harvesting and transporting lumber. There was good spruce in Norway and Sweden, but that required transport by sea in ships, again not ideal for a new aircraft at that time in Nazi history.
Well there is also a fair amount of birch in central europe, though it was simple plywood that was ultimately used for the Ta 154.
@@scientificconsideration8294 IN the construction of the de Haviland Mosquito, there was a final step. Before the engines and control surfaces were installed the whole aircraft was covered in a layer of doped linen fabric. Did Tank use something similar?
-The Americans had developed the Duramold process, Dehaviland merely copied it using slightly different woods instead of birch. It was used on the Hughes Hercules H4. so called spruce goose which had no spruce but lots of birch.
-Only 7000 mosquitos were produced. It was impossible to increase production due to limits in supply of specialists woods and worker. For this reason the Germans shouldn't have bothered and concentrated on hybrid air-frames with steel spars and wood wings as in the Ta 154 which were quite successful.,
Interesting that Germany did not have enough carpenters for this project. One of the big successes of the Mosquito was that parts were made by small furniture makers and sent to De Havilland for assembly. But knowing that when Germany cancelled a number of defence contracts in 1943 the scientist and engineers from them ended up fighting on the Eastern Front I think that is where the furniture makers ended up.
A couple of years ago I had a brief discussion on another RUclips channel about the poor quality of the glue Germany used during the war and he pointed out that the Germans were using slave labour to make the glue. And they were deliberately sabotaging the glue so that it would not work.
Yep pretty much. The Nasties would draft the specialty carpenters needed for cold molding as "not essential workers". Opps.
Both the plane factory and the glue (chemicals in general) relied on slave labor in the late war, and yeah, quality wasn't a high priority for them.
The Mosquito was highly limited in production due to limits in specialist wood supply and specialist workers. Only 7000 were produced (about 2000/year) and it would be impossible to produce more unless the air frame was switched to metal. It was fairly pointless for the Germans to try to emulate as they had even worse shortages, certainly no ecudorian balsa.
The woodworkers were already done for in the Russian disasters.
@@williamzk9083 True, but considering how effective they could be they certainly made the most of them.
Many thanks for this video! I've had a soft spot for this plane ever since I thought that one of my late grandfather's may have flown it! It freakishly turned out to be another German pilot with the same name and age (I found photos - def. a different person, that one being with the day fighters and then test pilots, my granddad being with the night fighters).
At any rate, I managed to get my hands on "Focke-Wulf Nachtjäger Ta 154 "Moskito": Entwicklung, Produktion und Truppenerprobung" by Dietmar Herrmann. As a German engineer, he arguably wrote that book as the ultimate authority: he used the original plans, designs and was able, at the time of writing, to still speak with some of the designers, engineers and pilots.
As the book is currently packed away due to construction, I can't immediately check, but I do dimly remember that, while the glue was a problem to a certain extent, it was not the top issue. That *did* still fall to the lack of suitable engines and, as so often, the N**i bureaucracy and infighting. Even when the engines were available, they weren't allocated with any priority to this program. They couldn't get this high enough up the flagpole (which generally meant somehow getting this inside the short attention span of the dude with the idiotic mustache).
In Finland we too tried to make mostly wood construction fighter plane and it too failed, among other things but mostly because low quality wood glue, maybe domestic, maybe sourced from Germany. As far as i remember, especially parts of the tail tented to rip off in a dive with catastrophic results, the planes were called VL Myrsky.
The irony being that Germany had better fibreglas resins than they did wood-glue and could have sidestepped the whole issue if they'd thought to use fibreglas for more than firewalls....
They probably could've but by the middle of WW2, most skilled workers were either at the eastern front or sitting at the western fronts waiting for an invasion. By the middle of the war, it would be mostly slave labor building thing's.
Fiberglas? I just had a vision of a flying Trabant...
IIRC the factory producing the glue was in Wuppertal and wasn't directly attacked but was destroyed in the fires caused by the RAF bombing the city.
Safe to say the Ta154 wasn't a plane to sniff at.
More of a huffercraft.
British Mosquito was designed so that sub structures could be sub contracted to small furniture manufacturers and boat builders to increase and disperse production.
To be fair, the Bf 110 and Ju88 were excellent night-fighters - they just had problems catching Mosquitos.
Mosquito was the most adaptable and capable multi role aircraft of its time. Sexy and beautiful as well. Oh, Canada!
The Swiss army knife of aviation.
Oh idk, the B25 or B24 or A20 might give it a run for that title
Your dry wit is always good, but this time you’re hilarious (especially the bits on “motivation”)! Love it!
I fall asleep to your videos every night! ❤
That may have been better worded. The rest of use found it less sleep inducing. 😴😄
same and its actually intended as a huge compliment ;)
The DeHaviland museum has a sectioned part of a Mosquito wing. I was surprised to see that a lot of nails or roves were used in the construction. Nex time I go I'm taking a magnet to see of they are steel or duralamin nails.
The destruction of the Tego film factory caused a huge problem for the German aircraft industry as it was intended that wooden construction was to be used in a lot of late war projects. The lack of a reliable adhesive that wasn’t acidic in nature doomed a lot of aircraft.
Perhaps only the Tego-Film inventor himself knew the right formula. Reminds me of Coca-Cola...
Tego film wasn't a liquid glue, it was like a plastic sheet that was placed between the wooden laminate. Pressure and heat was then applied by molds which shaped the wood and heat cured the glue in the film.
Imagine the production of a product, getting stuck on a gluey issue, instead of an irony issue.
Love the background Picture of my Favourite WWII Aircraft, the Black Widow. Thank you for your fascinating analyses and research.
Picture of Ju 388 is wrong variant it is reconnaissance L not the night fighter J version. Front end is dramatically different.
Republic and the RAF worked on fitting the Merlin into the P-51 at the same time since it provided better high altitude performance plus Packard would be producing those soon. The P-51 using the Allison was as fast as a Merlin Mustang at low altitude so it was fitted with dive brakes to become the A-36 Apache fighter bomber.
The US also considered using wood construction for aircraft, primarily flying boats for transporting troop with gear to the Pacific Theater. Howard Hughes won the design competition to eventually build the Spruce Goose. The adhesive company had some difficulty coming up with a suitable glue and finally did after experiments showed how to use it. It had to be applied in a thin coat to one surface then clamped to another piece before being heated to set then cure the adhesive. For wing and body panels, ladies applied a very thin coat to a very thin section of birch veneer then used clothes irons to press it down on another section of veneer to set and cure the adhesive. That adhesive and method of application resulted in producing very strong laminated wood that wasn't affected by temperatures and humidity to this day.
Did you mean North American? Republic had its hands full with the P-47.
The Germans had a perfectly good late war twin engine fighter bomber in the form of the Messerschmitt 410. In his book "Night Fighter" C.F. Rawnsley describes chasing Me410s in a Mosquito over Britain at night. Most of them got away because the performance of the Me410 was so similar to that of the Mosquito. Rawnsley described it as the German equivalent to the Mosquito. But the Germans never had enough of them to mount anything other than nuisance raids over Britain.
Would love watching a video about the P2V’s Neptune or P4M-1 Mercator, You’d shine them in a great light!
Great video. Although I would add that Adolf Galland in his excellent autobiography stated the true reason the Ta154 came about, was an almost obsessive admiration / hatred by both Goering and Hitler of the extreme performance of the British Mosquito . The Mosquito was very hard to intercept, and was one of the first allied bombers to hit Berlin during the day, which really pissed off Hitler and Goering. But what pissed them off even more, was why the German aircraft companies, supposedly the best in the world, couldn't design a similar or better plane. And this is supposedly what originally got the ball rolling on the Ta154 project.
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The wood glue was made by TEGO Theo Goldschmidt AG Company that was bombed and the original safe glue could not further be produced
I believe it wasn't just a glue factory alone. It used hot presses and molds to mold the plywood into shape. The glue was heat cured.
@@williamzk9083 thats right
Some Mosquito molds were made of concrete!
This is the first time i've heard of this Luftwaffe WW2 warplane. The FW TA 154 had some differences to the de Havilland Mosquito. It had a tricycle landing gear (similar to the Lockheed P38 Lightning), and a high wing, whereas the Mosquito had a mid-wing (like many small and mid sized planes). Also the TA 154 had (good) air cooled engines like the highly sucessful single engine FW 190, whereas the Mosquito had the glycol cooled Merlin engines.
The British had a lot of pre-war furniture makers, who were experienced in wood gluing and plywood manufacturing, meaning that they could apply these skills to making the Mosquito wings and fusilage. Something that Geoffrey de Havilland was very aware of. It appears that the Germans did not quite have those levels of woodworking skills. De Havilland also deployed a superior monocoque construction method for their airframes in two upper and lower halves shells, that were later screwed and glued together. FYI, over 3000 Mosquito's were manufactured in the UK alone.
The Ta154 had Junkers Jumo J211 or 213 engines. These are not air cooled. They have annular radiators but are inline, liquid cooled engines. You are confusing the FW190A series, which had air cooled BMW 801 Radials
Another factor may have been all the skilled german woodworkers being sent to the eastern front earlier in the war. Or similar dispersals of skilled wood workers to other factories.
Great plane history, thanks! Germany 1939 was like, what do you do for a living? I am a woodworker. Off to the Army! Germany 1942 is like, we need wood workers, we have none left. Lol.
There is an argument that Britain could have substituted many of the Lancaster heavy bombers with Mosquitos as the ratio of crew to bomb load was identical. (4000lb/crew of 2 as against 14,000lb load/crew of 7).The Lancaster's could have been retained for specialist jobs like Dam busting and dropping the Tall Boy and Grand Slam bombs. The Mosquitos would have been harder to shoot down and the British would have lost far less planes and aircrew. There would have also been more aluminium available for other aircraft.
The problem was that the EEFTS (Empire Elementary Flight Training Schools) produced crews of pilots, navigators, radio operators, bomb aimers and gunners, not just pilots. There would have been a pinchpoint of pilots to fly the Mosquitos.
In World War I the German Pfalz D.III and D.XII used a molded fuselage made of strips of plywood and glue laid over a cement mold. very light and strong, but tricky to repair.
The Allison V1710 only had a single stage supercharger and was designed with a turbo super charger in mind. AKA the P38. The Twin Mustang reverted to the Allison V1710.
The mosquito also suffered from glue problems, falling apart when used in the far east.
Can you elaborate on that please?
@@paulbantick8266 There we’re a number of Mosquito sqns in India that we’re used against targets in Burma. Checks after a series of unexplained crashes in 1944 revealed that the hot and humid conditions were weakening the glue.
@@Dalesmanable You posted "falling apart" It was delamination. I suggest you do a bit of research as to the problems encountered and the remedies used.
@@paulbantick8266 Semantics, semantics. Get a life.
@@paulbantick8266 Er, I’m a retired MSc-level aircraft engineer. I think I knew what the issues were probably before you were born. Do some research and come back when you’re as qualified as I am. I’m not interested in semantic games.
In the humid far east Mosquitoes started to come apart.
“While the shells and stuff wouldn’t be hard to make or anything, they would take up a decent amount of space”
Pure poetry.
Remarkable that it had a tricycle landing gear when it was sitting in a very nose up attitude. When looking carefully, a tall tail wheel would probably result in same angle.
Just one criticism in that the DH Mosquito was not constructed of wood to save other materials. The wood composite design made it possible to get the required aerodynamic shape and smoothness. In fact the balsa wood that was between the two skins of plywood had to be imported from South America.
Right on neiloflongbeck. Collateral damage from poor accuracy still had a positive effect.
I've always thought the "de-motivational" posters were so much better. More honest and an indication that the company doesn't take itself too seriously.
It was a very pretty plane. Lucky they could never get it working right.
Why the continuous shots of the P-61?
Irony?
I have also read that the use of forced labour in the making of various components, esp the glues resulted in sabotage by urination.
The workers added some unauthorised liquids to the batch. Weakening the glues,and I guess adding to that acidic problem.
Though Kurt Tank said about the Ta 154 that it was "a good airplane", other sources claim that the Luftwaffe rejected the Ta 154 from the beginning.
IMHO even a genius like Kurt Tank sometimes may design a pile of scrap. The crew had almost no side view because the engine nacelles were mounted at the same height as the cockpit. Thus, formation flights were quite impossible. 14:07 Please note that the Ta 154C had an elevated cockpit to adress this issue.
It was designed as a pure night fighter. Visibility wasn't a priority since there wasn't supposed to be anything to look at.
@@obsidianjane4413Poor visibility in a night fighter sounds not like a good idea.
The Me 110 G night fighters flew with an extra crew member (who served as an aircraft mechanic on the ground) to have another "pair of eyes" on board.
@@OliverSchroederThat is not true. The 3rd (usually 2nd because gunners were often not carried esp. if it were a schragemusik version) member was the radar operator.
@@obsidianjane4413Anyway, it's complete nonsense to say that visibility would be of secondary importance for a night fighter - it is crucial!
At least when using the Lichtenstein radars, the final approach to the target has to be flown on sight. I cannot imagine that the A.I. units of the Mosquito N.F. were so sophisticated that you shoot right into the blackness where the green dot of the radar screen indicates a target.
I suppose the cockpit arrangement was adopted from the Fw 187 Falke, but since this was a low-wing plane, it did not affect the pilot's sight there.
Apart from material defects like glue or landing gears, the cockpit enclosed by nacelles was a serious design flaw. The Ta 154C blueprint clearly indicates that a rectification was mandatory.
@@OliverSchroeder Go actually read about night fighters instead of using your imagination and making assumptions.
I read somewhere that the glue issue led to the numerous failures of the He-163. In my source, The Battle of Hamburg - by Martin Middlebrook, he asserted that the factory (in Hamburg) was razed along with loss of technical information causing lamination problems in German aircraft from that date forward.
It wasn't a copy of the British Mosquito. It was only made of wood.
"Molds or clamps or shells".
The word you're looking for is "jig" ;)
Cool looking aircraft I never saw before. Surprising, to see the rounded cowlings for inline engines? I wonder if the Germans wanted to have the option of a radial engine as well? The drawing of the C model for the 213 showed more streamlined enginge cowls. Thanks!
Thank you for not presenting this as a what-if wonder weapon. I had no idea its speed dropped to 360 mph when equipped.
This is what the fanboys of the Luftwaffe seem to forget. Re: they read and run with the tests made with pre-production or prototype aircraft which had no combat, inservice production or loads added. It's happens with the likes of Do.335, Ta.152, Ta.154 and He.219.
@@paulbantick8266At least the He 219 was able to intercept Mossies. BTW, there is no point between manufacturer abbreviation and RLM number.
Shame they didn't make it a tail dagger.
Getmany should have had a contract with Elmer glue company.
Very similar in concept and design to the F7F Tigercat.
Years ago I was made aware of the Veto film problem.The telling of the story was,fare more intense and instructive . One, wonders had they started earlier why Red they not have more that one facility to produce the glue.
Could you do a video on the p-61?
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Why are you using an front view image through out the video a P61 Black Widow?
The Ta 154, should have been developed earlier and gotten into service by at least the fall of 1943. It could have been a frightening scourge against Allied bombers because it was reasonably fast and could carry four MK 108 cannons, which would have been a frightening danger to Allied bombers.
The Fw 187 Falke was the only realistic opportunity the Germans had but they messed it up by insisting it be turned into a zerstoerer.
That plane is just waiting for a copyright strike.
Nice looking aircraft nonetheless.
One should always be careful with the majority of these pods , as more often then not , they are inaccurate or suffer major omissions . In this case the D.H. Mosquito also had serious Glue failures , not in northern Europe but in S,E.Asia . Wings were detaching resulting in the grounding of Mossies . The problem was caused by the high humidity effecting the glue.
Ciba Geigy developed a new glue at Duxford , which I believe became Locktite.
That's why they choose the Beaufighter for that war theatre.
Were the Ta 154 a French aircraft, they might've said "Sacre gleu!"
I'll see myself out
the head on pick at the end has a twin tail ?
The He 219 uhu (owl) was as capable as the DH 98 mosquito 😊
Now keep in mind that they cancelled the Fw 187 years earlier, and then they wanted something almost exactly like it. Possibly one of the biggest missed opportunities.
The Germans were hoping for a short, quick war. They axed a lot of R&D. They built battleships instead of u-boats. They lived to regret it.
@@davidyoung8521Yes, the development stop was declared by Hermann Göring himself, the fat morphine addict. Secretly ignored by several manufacturers.
The de Havilland Mosquito's speed was 400 Mph, but this was fully armed and laden.
The whole glue issue was a sticky situation.
For want of a nail.
The glue was on the fritz
Am i right in thinking the replacement glue was fish based ??
This thing really sounds like a lemon to me.
What is the black widow to do with the 154
I wondered that as well.
@@bigblue6917 Well, they were both twin-engined night fighters.
Ta 154, a 4 bladed prop? What other 4 bladed props did they build?
The BMW 801TJ on the Ju 388.
Black widow frequently shown but not mentioned ,why shown?
So.. it was more of a Gnat than a Mosquito ? XD
Did I read that right? "Goldschmidt" was the company name?!?!
Yes, Theodor Goldschmidt AG (thus TEGO). Why?
@@OliverSchroeder Its Jewish.
I'd gladly be proven wrong, is it not traditionally a Jewish name? Maybe it's just a very common name?
@@Eatherbreather It was often a jewish name but Stein, Greenstein, Greenberg Goldshchmit (Goldsmith) could also be a German name.
The mosquito had aerolite glue. A superior product… l was using the same in a boat builders in 1965/6. A two part, sticky clear liquid plus a watery hardener….green, l seem to remember…..once it came in contact with the hardener it set very quickly. It was damn strong and would never break at the joint…no wonder the Mossie was the Wooden Wonder…
The Mosquito wasn't called the wooden wonder for nothing, twin merlins honey comb structures made of 3 layers Equadorian Bulsa wood, and two layers of 3 ply birch wood. Also fir and spruce were used through out the aircraft.
Not so much an "inspirational" quote but at my workspace on the factory floor I had a small laminated card that read," It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys." One day I came to work and the card was gone, very strange.
Was Tego film glue vinyl acetate? Does any one here know ? Ive allways wondered?
phenol formaldehyde
@@nerd1000ify at last! thank you!
call Blohm and Voss
The whole project came unstuck.
Those anti-aircraft crews starting at 4:49 are American, not German. Look at the helmets and leggings.
Sticky cast iron pan? Toss it in the oven at 350f for an hour
The Allison and Merlin engines were very, very comparable. The defining difference was the Allison's poor supercharger (I remember reading somewhere that the planned 2 stage supercharger for the Allison got "organized away" by the US military, dooming it to low level duties... Apart from the P-38, which had decent superchargers).
The USAAF went through a period of 'turbo-mania' where they more or less insisted that they would not buy anything that wasn't turbocharged. As the USN was simultaneously insisting they they would never buy any liquid cooled aircraft ("it makes as much sense as an air cooled submarine!") Allison designed the V-1710 with the expectation that it would always be used with a turbo, and thus provided a supercharger that was practically optimised for sea level (the turbo would boost the air up to sea level pressure before feeding it to the engine).
Not long after, it became clear that the weight and bulk of a turbo installation was too much to fit in a single engined fighter with a V-1710 without a significant performance penalty. So the P-40, P-39 and P-51 got hamstrung.
@@nerd1000ify I'd read that Alison was told an amazing 2 stage supercharger was being built for the V-1710 by another Army appointed company (forgot which) that then dropped the ball and never delivered. Can anyone corroborate this?
@@cabanford I don't know about an external contractor, but Allison did eventually develop their own add-on supercharger that could be bolted to the back of the engine. It even had a hydraulic coupling like the supercharger on the DB60x series engines, so the speed was continuously variable. It was used on the P-63 and boosted its performance a great deal, but I don't know of any other applications.
The P-38 had only V-1710F's with a single stage supercharger. You had only one gear ratio at a time, and had to pick at manufacture. Lockheed added GE TurboChargers in the booms, which gave the Lightning all altitude performance, like the P-47.
It wasn't so much the Merlin "engine" as it was the development of the two stage supercharger "for" the Merlin.
1st: I don't know why they keep showing a frontal photo of a (US) P-61 Black Widow (made by Northrop)
>Added in the edit Note: the 4 blade propellers, twin tail, oil coolers (for the R-2800 engines) outboard of the engine nacelles/booms of the Black Widow.<
2nd: The timing seems odd to me, just before the Ta-152, He-162, and a few other "wooden wonder" aircraft came into production, the factory, The ONLY Factory that makes the glue "just happens" to get bombed out existence!!! By "Sheer Luck" ?!?!?
The power of milk, Casein glue.
German Moskito a copy of British Mosquito, also twin-engined and built of plywood?
American standards "Packard Merlin" is much more correct.
disagree that 154 is superior over 219. i would argue the opposite
The Germans tried to reproduce the DH Mosquito, and failed. While the US aviation industry didn’t even try too
P-38?
@@LordDustinDeWynd … one reason given for no American produced DH Mosquito was the P-38 already filled the role. The P-38 was designed as an Interceptor. While the Mosquito started as a fast bomber. After WW2 the P-38 taken out of service. While the Mosquito stayed on in numerous roles. World wide
@@Idahoguy10157 ...so since Americans ALREADY had a twin-engined pursuit fighter, they had ALREAD TRIED TO, AND SUCCEEDED
If the Germans had invented Super Glue in WW2 these planes would have come off the production line like Hot cakes !
Looks like the earlier 187
It's actually derived from the Fw 187 Falke.
22:19, that surely is a Ju88. with an Fw190 on top. or some other abomination. A Moskito was single occupant and was not the roomiest of places to be.
The German " Goring-la glue", didnt hold a candle to " gorilla glue",....