7MM PRC Compared to Other 7MM's
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Is the 7mm PRC cartridge the ideal 7mm? Randy dispels the hype.
Randy tells why the claims are overblown. Please don’t cherry pick. Listen to the entire video, so you understand where he is coming from.
Randy mentions information from Hornady’s own site about how BC’s are variable and not consistent and this needs to be factored into any of the information.
From Hornady site [link was so long it wouldn't post correctly, look up "Hornady ballistic coefficient" to get the information, below, and more:
The Ballistic Coefficient
Before discussing this topic in more detail, let's dispel some myths surrounding it. Whatever you may have heard before, these are the facts:
There is no such thing as an absolute and invariable ballistic coefficient (B. C.)
Ballistic coefficients are only one factor in bullet selection for different kinds of shooting.
A ballistic coefficient can change with reference to (1) altitude, (2) temperature, (3) atmospheric pressure, and (4) relative humidity.
Ballistic coefficients are measures of a bullet's relative efficiency.
Ballistic coefficients are not measures of a bullet's "goodness."
Higher B.C.s do not necessarily make a bullet "better."
Lower B.C.s do not necessarily make a bullet "worse."
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Shooting at game at over 600 yards is unethical, even with today's high BC bullets. Years ago I shot a spike elk at 670+ yards using a very high BC bullet. These bullets left the barrel at a chronographed 3,300 feet per second out of my 300 RUM. While approaching the spike noticed the animal had gotten up and walked away. Were it no for my spotter the elk would have disappeared. A 1/2 mile later I was LUCKY to find a the spike piled up on a sheep trail. Upon dressing the animal I noticed the entry wound and exit wound were identical with very little blood loss. Proper bullet expansion rarely happens after 600 yards.
I am a massive RUM fan, 300 AND 375, I'm surprised you're 300 rum at 600 yd on a spike has such a little damage. I shot a raghorn small ones 800 yd 3 Ultra Mag 180 grain Nosler ballistic tip. It made an exit whole I could stick my arm through! -- what bullet did you use? (I am a hand loader, and load my cartridges on the UPPER END).
Thanks Randy for sharing your wisdom.
If my 280 Ackley Improved with 160 grain nosler partitions won't kill it, then I just won't hunt it.
They can say what yhey want? But to me a Nosler Partition round is lethal and hard to beat IMO!
Thats understandable.
You don't need a car with A/C either. You just want one.
Off topic but the 300 H&H you built for me is still my most accurate rifle I have and the barrel is still holding up and I'm going on 1500 rounds down it. It is now 16 years old.
It is also my favorite as well.
Good to hear from you and that it is doing so well for you!
@@TheRealGunsmithCan you rechamber a Savage 99 from 250-3000 to a Grendel ? Simple yes or no? I'm already aware of 22-250, don't want that if the Grendel is possible
I built my Granddaughter a 7MM-08 a few years ago. It's an awesome deer rifle.
I think the 7mm Rem Mag is the ideal big game cartridge for big game hunting. The other aspect often over looked is recoil. Big energies at extended ranges from big magnums look great on paper, but you have to pay the price for those, and it's paid in recoil. Yes, you can use a muzzle brake, and the price then changes to muzzle blast and an ear piercing crack of the shot. No free lunch. Les Bowman observed most of his clients couldn't handle the 300s, but showed a great improvement in their shooting when they shot a 7mm Remington Magnum. I tend to think this is just as true today as it was then. I'll stick with the 7mm Rem Mag for everything in North America. I love hearing about the history of this round from Mr. Selby, as well as all facets of hunting knowledge he provides to us. Thank you sir, and a Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Not a big trade off to step up to 300 win mag IMO
I have several 7mm mags . The 7mm mag has been my favorite heavy hitter since 1995.
Well said, sir!
The 7mm-08 is 40% less powder and 9% less velocity. The 7mm-08 is way more efficient then a 7mm rem mag. And also 10 ft lbs less recoil compared to the 7mm rem mag. 7mm-08 is a better choice over a 7mm rem mag
The 7mmRemMag has been my favorite caliber and still is although, I might change my mind if I can ever get components to load for my new 7mmPRC. I have sold or passed down almost a hundred firearms over the past few years as my health plummets and my age increases. This new one might just be a "Safe Queen" if I can't find some components before this coming fall as I am selling my farm/ranch next year. This is the only place left I am physically able to hunt elk and deer safely at my age because I outlived all of my friends and don't have anyone to hunt with anymore.
You are a very experienced gunsmith. For the common person we don't want to have custom rifles and your special knowledge. But with a PRC we can buy some that isn't wildcat and not have do all the work and get similar performance.
This!
Yeah this guy is a dipshit, he doesn't get it. Most people don't want the recoil, the $100/box ammo or the barrel burnout of a 28 Nosler.
I just listened to Hornady podcast on the 7mmprc. They don't claim faster fps than the 26nosler. They claim about 100 fps slower but around 30% less recoil, shorter barrels, and longer barrel life. That's a tradeoff I'd make any day.
That is not true. The real difference is around 200 fps.
More recoil! Watch someone shoot or shoot yourself!! You"ll see!! Not a magic wand... No free lunches
I listened to and read a bunch of articles. Maybe this guns and ammo article made false claims but everything else i watched or read claimed lower (realistic) velocities on the 7mm PRC.
In a properly built 7mmRM it easily out paces the 7prc. It's just the more modern case which is great but it won't beat a well built 7 RM
Your comment said 26 Nosler. I’m assuming you meant 28 Nosler.
Glad I found this channel. Very informative and practical.
I used the Hornady ELDX in 7mm-08 150gr on a midsize buck here in Alberta a couple seasons ago. Took 2 shots at 100yds. I’ve never used them again.
I have a pair of Tikka T3xs in 270 and 7 Rem. I shoot heavy for caliber bullets and use 150gr in 270. Either Partitions or Interlocks. Never had a problem.
For the 7 Rem I use 175gr Partitions or Interlocks. Mostly Partitions. I get just at 2900fps but they shoot and perform so well on deer, moose, black bear and elk that I’ve never really looked at trying anything else.
I do check out various factory loads in other bullets but I tend to go back to what is proven and works for me.
I watch Ron Spomer and who now features Joseph Von Benedikt. Both of them, it seems to me , expound BC more than anything else. They say they don’t condone long range shooting (500yds or more) but still provide ballistics tables to 1000yds on a number of cartridges being presented. However I’ve seen comparisons where sectional density was not spoken about or not regarded. I think this is where the difference is when gun writers are promoting the current fad because that is what keeps the lights on as opposed to Mr Selby and other gun makers who are not bridled by sponsors, magazine editors or corporations.
I must concur with your statement on the Hornady interlock vs the eldx. I took a moose with a 300wm and a 180 interlock at 3000fps. One shot to the frontal chest and done. Performed perfectly. Too many bad results on the eldx on smaller game.
The SST got same lock ring as the interlock bullet I use both with great preference
Most of the new calibers today are like fishing lures. Quite a few years back I heard that fishing lures were not designed to catch fish they were designed to catch fisherman. I feel many of the new cartridges' today are the same way. Your mileage may vary.
I'm glad someone is calling this bs out. The ammo companies are taking these long range target cartridges and pushing them as better for hunting because of their performance at 1000 yards, then one sentence later, they state that it's unethical to shoot game past 300 yards.
Agree 100% on the bullets Randy! Ive been shooting the interlocks for years. Great bullets. The ELDx is nothing but a target bullet! Inside 600 yards. BC means nothing!
Lol, you think interlocks are any better lmao.
I watched a couple of Randy's vids with my Two young lads today, it was throwing it down with rain, so we couldn't go shooting, my 12 yr old said, 'wow' isn't he knowledgeable, I smiled and replied yep, they both want to watch more and learn, and so do I 👌
I don't think that the 7PRC was intended to replace or beat the speeds of the "hot" .284 caliber guns like the 28 Nosler, 7RUM or 7STW, nor have I ever seen anything that said it was faster? It does, however, make a top notch 7mm caliber rifle, especially for both, the reloader and the guy who buys bullets off of the shelf. Had the 7mmRemMag not had the rim on the case, it would have been the perfect 7mm for the reloader.
you are 100% correct. This guy is just a negative dish;t.
I don’t think anyone says the 7 rem mag can’t do what the 7 PRC does. The biggest difference is what took handloaders years to do with reloads, the PRC does with factory ammo. Simply put, it’s regular guy friendly.
Thank you so much for this video. I purchased my dream rifle for me about a year ago now. It is a Christensen Arms Messa LR in 7MM Rem Mag. Shortly after that I heard a lot of the hype about the 7MM PRC and was wondering if I had made a mistake. I use the gun mostly for hunting up here in Maine and some target shooting at moderate ranges. I also just shot the largest deer of my life with this gun this past season. The deer was dressed out at 208 lbs. The buck dropped in its tracks with a 100-yard shot. I have watched your videos for a few years and greatly value your opinion, Thank you so much for this video. My sighting in with this rifle gave me just over 1/2 MOA at 100 yards of course. The gun does all I could ask.
At 100 yards you could have killed it just as dead with a shotgun slug, .357 Mag, .223, etc. I'm sure a .270 Win would have dropped it right in it's tracks too. As would so many other chamberings. This video gave me a headache. If you have a nice rifle and you target shoot at moderate ranges then that is great. Have fun, enjoy burning all that powder to punch holes in paper. When it comes to killing game at common ranges this whole topic is an internet jerk-off.
I’ve put some thought into this, and I say this as a current 7mm PRC owner. I was building a custom hunting/ long range/ whatever rifle in a long action. It was originally gonna be a 28 nosler but I called the barrel maker when the 7prc came out and had it switched after I listened to a few podcasts and videos about how great it is. changed my order because time/components for reloading are hard to come by and I have found that the hornady cartridges are rather easy to reload for and quick to find an acceptable load. Blah blah blah. I remember seeing this video and thinking. “Damn! The real gunsmith is real sour about this new PRC cartridge!” 😂… we’ll as I now have it, shot it, tested it and have my data here are my findings…. Can’t find brass for it, you gotta buy the hornady ammo. Shoot it and then you have hornady brass… I was getting 2860 out of the 175 eldX from Their factory ammo and they show 3050 on the box… yes I’m aware all rifles are different. And Ya I’m shooting in an area where it’s cold about 23degrees and out of 24” barrel…. I have done my tests and checked out 4831 and H1000 and settled on H1000. I’m shooting 180 Berger VLD hunting and loading over max and I’m getting 2960. Great standard deviation of 2.8fps and the rifle shoots it under 1” @ 200. Not setting any records but it’s performing well so far. the speed and accuracy says more about the load and the rifle than it does about the cartridge…. Couple gripes tho.
1. Hornady brass is soft and you have to shoot the ammo to get brass.
2. You can’t even load it out very far because you won’t have proper bullet contact with the neck. Where they have it, is about as far out as a guy can go. All the prc/creedmoor cartridges do this. (Barely need a long action.)
3. Not as fast as they say it is. They neutered the potential and made it JUUUST long enough where you can’t get use it in a medium length action. They should’ve made the case longer so it fills up magazine box when loaded long and actually utilize the need for what long action.
4. I have a 300WSM that shoots lights out with a 185 Berger VLD hunting bullet. @2960 and I’m shooting 2grns under max. 😂. So other than having a new rifle not much need for it.
Now the things I like.
1. Relatively easy to reload for. Under 100 rounds to find .5 MOA load
2. Lighter recoil but I also have a break on it.
Proceed at your own risk.
Are you gay/happy?
This guy sis seriously butt hurt, but more about the writer of an article than the PRC. What Hornady did with the PRC is make excellent ammo off the shelf that you do not need to to be an expert reloader or smith to improve your accuracy. 7PRC is better than the 7RM for 99% of shooters/hunters. I am starting my 7PRC build myself.
@@GoneHunting-j2clol calling the eldx “ excellent ammo for hunters “ is like calling joe Biden a good president . That’s hilarious
Same here I built a 300 wsm 1:12 krieger # 5 @ 23” b&c stock jewell trigger 185/190 Berger’s 2950 w 66.3 of imr 4350 being 30 cal it’s 1:12 twist 165 to 3100 rl 17 h380 believe me that one hole w 165 Rl 22,23, but it’s not like a 6.5 that needs rl 25,26 h1000 to make it consistent the 7 mm prc would be the same deal
I think this guy's channel should be called The Angry Gunsmith.
Or the hate every cartridge made after the 1940s channel
Especially 7mm
He’s an old gunsmith and he don’t know what to do; should he hang on to the old or should he grab on to the new!
THE ANGRY GUNSMITH ???!!!. HEY YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING THERE. HUH. SOMEONE FIGHTING FOR US. TO MAKE THEM DO THE RIGHT THING. KIND OF KEEPING THEM ON TRACK. DERN TOOTIN. WELL PEOPLE THEY'RE AT IT AGAIN !!!. SO TODAY'S VIDEO WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE ANGRY GUNSMITH !!! MATTER OF FACT IF HE'LL START IT I'LL SUBSCRIBE TO THAT CHANNEL THE ANGRY GUNSMITH. DUDE THAT'S BRILLIANT.
The 7PRC will die a tragic fast death.
Thank you Randy. I will always be thankful for helping myself and others. I trust very few and you are one.
👍They just want to sell new rifles, cartridges,dies ,etc.. Far too much interest in long range " hunting", that takes the hunting out of the hunt. I think long range shooting is great on steel and enemy combatants, NOT on animals.Learn to hunt ,get in close!
Amen
This is 100% correct Gun and Ammo Company’s just need something new to sell. Is the 7mm PRC a good round sure as they all the 7mm are from the 7mm-08 on up, is the 7mm Rem a good round Yes. It comes down to what weight of rifle you want to carry and the range you feel comfortable shooting. I do not believe in it is ethnically right to shoot long range as you do not know when a animal is going to take a step. No for Steel or Varmints shoot to your hearts content.
Exactly 💯
Exactly. It’s really not hard to get close to an animal. You just have to learn how.
I shot a 7mm mag for 20 years. Still have it. Never failed me with 160g accubond bullets. Usually single shots, quick kills.
Im getting a 7mm prc because i researched all i can on this cartridge and accuracy, a little less recoil and tighter tolerance on actions seem to make sense. I'm confident it'll be a excellent cartridge for any ungulate on our continent. Ill be using the 160g cx bullet to start with, but will make changes if needed in time with newee designs.
Im not a long range hunter. 500y or less, but usually kill under 250y. I know the 7mm prc doesnt outshine the 7 mag as far as drop below 500y, but i believe it to be more accurate and less finicky on ammo.
Time will tell, but i say the 7mm prc is here to stay.😊
Dear Sir.
Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge and experience with us, it is highly
appreciated. I make sure never to miss a video of yours.
Please give your views on the .243 and 30.06.
Everything of the best for you and your family for 2023.
All the way from South Africa
I wonder how many folks thought they could purchase a set of reamers and headspace guages and a vise 'I'll be good'.God bless you and Happy Holidays Randy! I'm SO privileged to see you again Sir! You are the Prince of precision rifle building, shooting and game harvesting! Fortunately, I was intuitive enough to determine (not to deviate from topic) that the 300 PRC was and is marketing scheme based on inconsistencies in data, very obvious inconsistencies. I was pleased to hear your opinion on that! 7828 IS my preferred powder for the 300 Winchester Magnum.
Dropped my Elk this year with a 300PRC at just over 260 yards, base of the neck. Head flopped sideways and he never took a step, instant kill. 212 Grain Hornady ELD-X no over expansion or huge exit wound, barely saw either.
If you're going to hunt close range and shoot a 50 yards into the bush aiming for the front shoulder use Interlocks or partitions, or the CX ...
Well the ELD X is just kind of a shitty bullet for hunting. It's just a tipped cup and core target bullet with "precision hunting" on the box.
@JNOSNOW partition, barnes hammer. Copper don't tear up meat like lead. But the partition is a oldie but goodie
I respect the heck out of your knowledge about the 7mm Remington magnum, But not everyone has access to a competent gunsmith much less a custom rifle builder. For those people they can go buy a factory rifle that is throated correctly and twisted correctly for the heavy bullets they want to shoot now days for less than $2000. That’s all Hornady is really doing, they are forcing the firearms industry to update. If I wanted to rebarrel my 7mm Remington magnum to a 1-8 twist the barrel is gonna cost a minimum of $450, and a gunsmith is gonna charge that same $450 to chamber it and cut and thread the tenon at minimum. That’s $900 dollars a lot of people don’t have to spend nor do they have the months and months to wait on the job to get done
I believe it's possible to improve on anything designed 50+ years ago. I'm a big fan of the 7 Rem Mag, but I believe the chamber could be improved. On a lot of older cartridges, the bullet was seated deeper into the case. That's not a good thing.
That is what he was saying, when he said " a properly built 7mm Rem mag"
Here is the deal. Modern machining has eliminated the need for gunsmiths because a cnc machine is way more accurate at holding tolerances than an old geezer from 40 years ago on a manual lathe. As always their is that one guy who gives a crap enough to do a superb job but that is the master. I don’t trust any gunsmith today with even the simplest of tasks. I have assembled 13 precision rifles from 223 to 338 win mag since Covid started and the largest 5 shot groups from any rifle is 3/8”. As a hand loader it’s just so easy nowadays even a child can do it. My children do.
Did you not watch the video ? Lol
@@SuperMatt1235lol you’ve done 13 … he’s probably done 10 thousand plus . That old geezer as you put it has forgotten more about these things than you will ever know. Hilarious
@user-eg8hb8xt3j I would agree he has put together a lot of rifles but it ain't as complicated as he makes it seem. All buliding a properly built rifle means is mating a good barrel to a good action. Literally anyone can do it. Not everyone can afford a lathe to manufacture their own barrels but anyone can buy a reputable barrel built to the specs you want and properly instal it in their garage. I let my wife build her last 2 rifles and both shoot under 3/4 moa with handloads. He makes it sound like you have to be a expert to make a rifle as good as his and it's just not true.
Glad to hear you saying what needed to be said. I've seen too many videos, lately, which advocate for hunting cartridges I would personally never consider. I'm horrified to hear many gun vlogs where folks are using stuff like 6.5 mm to hunt elk at extended ranges. I've been hand loading 6.5 Swede since the late eighties and have used this and other 6.5 cartridges to hunt animals like coyotes and pronghorn, even whitetail at reasonable ranges but would never use them on anything like elk at any range. I simply don't prioritize sub MOA accuracy over good terminal performance for any game, especially game which are notoriously tough. I've made bad choices in the past but I try to learn from them. I do, from time to time, forgo making a shot because I'm unsure of my ability to make an ethical kill, or mistrust the bullets ability to make a clean kill. Sincere respect to you sir, for saying what needs to be said amongst all the hype.
I was a 6.5x55 until this year. Had three of them handloaded for 25 years. You said no 6.5mms to hunt elk...I'm not a elk hunter, I'm a deer hunter. Here's some numbers out of my Bergara 24 inch 6.5 PRC...and you tell me. Factory 130 grain terminal ascent 3150-3180 fps(barrel is getting faster it has around 100 rounds out of it now). Nosler 142 ablr 2950-2990. Now what's funny is the general consensus is the .264 is plenty capable of elk. And if you look at the numbers....they are the same as the 6.5 PRC. I doubled down and bought a Browning hells canyon Mcmillian and haven't shot it yet and it's a 26 inch barrel. Yesterday I shot the Bergara on paper out the bed of my truck at 425 yards with a 200 yard zero with the terminal ascent. At 425 yards I was 9 inches low with a 2.5 inch group. Get rid of the 6.5x55s and get in the 21st century.
@@Creedbunman65 I get it that 6.5, especially prc has been shown to be capable of tougher game than the relatively anemic 6.5 x 55. I also understand that with the higher velocities and better bullets, that 6.5 creedmore for example carry more energy at about 700 yards than say a .308. But it's immaterial because I wouldn't hunt elk at 700 yards with anything. I don't have a 6.5 Prc yet but do shoot and reload 6.5 Creedmore. Just not at elk. Or moose. I've shot plenty of coyote at ranges up to 1000 yards. For elk I like heavy bullets: 180 to 200 grains minimum even at shorter ranges. Which is why I would choose 30/06 over 308 for elk. I can easily load the heavier pills.
7mm PRC = Beltless 7mm Rem Mag. The difference between the 7mm PRC, 7 Rem Mag, and 280 AI isn't worth a box of rocks under 500 yards.
I love the 7RM also, but it seems to me you are comparing a modified or custom 7RM to a stock 7mm PRC. I appreciate your knowledge and experience with your videos and think you're getting worked up about nothing. I doubt many would argue with your thoughts. If I were buying a rifle today, it would be the 7mm PRC.
Damn straight Randy, tell them the truth and hope they listen. Thanks again for sharing 50+ years of knowledge.
I imagine gunsmiths don't like the PRC cartridges as in the past the only way to get the longer throat, tight chamber or faster twists was to go custom. Now the average person can get all that off the shelf. No doubts a well made 7RM could be as good or better but more expensive.
This exactly. You can get a off the shelf $500 rifle that’s going to give you close to if not the same performance as a full custom rifle. He sounds a little disgruntled. Hornady specs the velocities very closely to real world realities.
The 7mm Remington Magnum was and is a wonderfully designed and balanced cartridge. The fact still remains that you have to use a custom barrel to get the most out of it.
Can u imagine if 270, 3006 had faster twist and 26 onch barrels. Little tighter tolerance
Yes I can. My 270wsm wit a 26" Bartlien 1-8 twist barrel pushing Berger 170gr Elite Hunter with RL-26 @ 3200 fps
I probably missed some points here. Is the 7mm PRC worse than the 7MM RM? Why can’t you load the right hunting bullets in the 7mm PRC and have the option to use the longer bullets for long range shooting?
I have the same question. I understand the PRC is more suited towards Precision Shooting. Hence the P in PRC. However you can still load the 160 nosler in it and still get the game results? I hope we aren't the only ones confused
Well, if you use logic, it defeats this guys argument 😂
Hydra 70:They are selling it as loaded with factory bullets.
Thanks for watching.
Zachary Donelson: You confuse yourself. No factory ammo will shoot to the accuracy level of any handload that I work up for my own or clients rifles. They can't, as they are made to be able to work in a variety of manufactures barrels, who all have varying tolerances, so their accuracy won't be the same.
Thanks for watching.
The Practical Rifleman: It is obvious you didn't listen well.
Thanks for watching.
I have a 7 rem mag and a 7 prc. Love them both. My reloads ( evidently I’m not a handloader ) with the Nosler 175 grain ABLR’s shoot .5 moa. That’s out of my $425 Mosberg Patriot chambered in the 7 prc. Those are going 2915 fps out of my barrel ( all barrels are different). I have 1800 flbs of energy at 900 yards. What’s the argument?
New is bad and you should feel bad about it.
Mostly you don't know what you are talking about, just like the click bait writers. You would barely have 1,800 lbs of energy at 550 yards. Unless you live at some unusual altitude....
@@AtomicCowboy239 your right. I’m 1485 fbs. Had a crazy barometric number in my app.
If I had a nickel for everytime this guy said everyone is wrong and I am right, I'd be a rich man. Just let people like what they like and get excited about fun new things.
I literally watch this guy for the sole purpose of hearing him ramble on about nothing, while proving nothing. I also love the beat offs that come to the comments to stroke his ego... when they too know absolutely nothing.
@@AnthonysOutdoors ditto
Randy thank you for taking the time to explain, in understandable terms, what most true handloaders know from experience. You talk in terms of action lengths, throat, seating dept…..all of which I have pondered over reloading for my two factory 7mmMag rifles. A sako and a ruger. I think I am inclined to be interested in PRC for the reasons of …increased barrel twist will give me a better potential for tighter groups at
100yds using heavier (175 and above) projectiles. I haven’t had very good results with 175gr bullets out of either rifle. Both have 1:9.5 twists. Also, a wider bandwidth of bullet weights. 120 to 190 with the shorter case.
I, personally, cannot drop 6500 on a custom rifle if similar features and function may be attained for 1200ish.
I agree with you over BC as it relates to hunting. It is low on the list in hunting situations. My longest shot on a game animal is 325 yards and my daughter had a shot at 437. Any shot over 250 ( while hunting ) is quite a long shot due to uncontrolled variables. Barnes TTSX and Nosler Partitions perform well under 500. In my experience if you see an animal with hooves at 500yds you, most times, have opportunity to get closer. I would love to have one of your custom rifles. I so appreciate your craft and envy being able to do what you do. It has always been interesting to me. Hopefully I will own a custom gem of a rifle one day.
As a man who is a master in his trade & years of excellence of experience, I tend to agree with the point he’s putting to everyone, quoting figures by someone at a desk & as randy says quoting none sense I think we can all do that, but knowing the actual hands on figures that’s a tradesman of the highest standard, I’m not a shooter hunter never have the time & I wished I did, but with the way this was put across was so damn simple & direct made more sense than quoted BS as randy stated
Good for you Mr Randy, regards from west Australia
Gotta love how this gentleman puts it plain and simple.
Santa knows……..he always knows
The biggest advantage to the 7prc is for the guy that buys factory rifle and factory ammo. In a year or two nosler will carry 180 grain 7prc ammo( factory ammo not handloads). That should have in excess of 2000 energy at 500 yards. The 7mm rem mag factory ammo 160 nosler accubond carries around 1500 foot pounds of energy at 500. A custom made rifle chambered in 7mm rem mag with handloads will be able to do everything the prc can do. This allows your common hardworking man to buy a factory rifle, factory ammo and have a similar set up as the guy who can afford custom rifle. Maybe I'm wrong but I think this caliber will be a top 5 seller a decade from today. Time will tell
Spot on
Really do not understand why old heads like this guy cannot understand this. Us that do not handload or build 5k custom rifles the 7prc is the clear choice
I tried the LRX and the ELD X on Missouri whitetails this past season...LRX's just penciled through and the ELD X's were inconsistent with little damage and complete pass through or yawled from a square-on broad side shot just to come out behind the last rib. I only had on deer drop in it's tracks out of four. Now this was done with a 6.5 CM Kimber Hunter Pro. The upcoming season I'm just going with the Ruger M77 in 7MM/08 with 140gr Nosler BT. Thank you for your content Randy.
Hornady CLEARLY explains that you can throat other 7mms with a better throat and get similar results as the have with their 7mm PRC. BUT you cannot get a rifle off the retail floor and have a 7mm Rem Mag or 28 Nosler or any other 7mm that has a throat that is ideal for long high BC bullets. I get that you are coming from a custom gun maker perspective but most people aren't buying custom rifles. They buy a Browning or Christensen or Tikka or some other gun made by a manufacturer. Most people are also not handloading ammo either; they're buying ammo off the shelf and shooting it in their factory rifles. Hornady states multiple times that they designed this cartridge for that customer and not necessarily the custom rifle guy that handloads all his own ammo. But they do explain why even that consumer may want to consider going with a 7mm PRC for their next rifle as well. Examples include recoil is less than a 28 Nosler, barrel life will also be better than a 28 Nosler, the cartridge should be more forgiving with accuracy and because it has less throat erosion you won't have to chase the rifling like you will on a 28 Nosler. Also comparing it to a custom 7mm Rem Mag if you for some reason lose your ammo (usually only a problem if you fly to hunt) you're kinda screwed with a custom throated 7mm Rem Mag (yes you can still shoot factory ammo but it most likely won't perform ideally). There's also no belt which is an obsolete feature on magnum cartridges. You say you aren't picking on the PRC cartridges but you never seem to do as deep of a dive on the pros of the PRC cartridges as you do on what you consider to be negative aspects and it seems like you have something bad to say about them in nearly every video you make. The proof is in the pudding in my opinion, the majority of rifles being sold for big game hunting these days are one of the PRC cartridges and it's because they flat out perform. As far as the ELD-X bullets are concerned, I know of people who have probably killed more animals with that bullet than you will kill total in your life. No disrespect for the amount of game you have killed and your hunting knowledge but I just think it's pretty near sighted to say a certain bullet is garbage just because it doesn't work the way that YOU like it to and think that it should. Maybe consider that there's more than one way to skin a cat. I'm not trying to pick on you or your opinion but being you come on so hard towards the PRC cartridges and Hornady I think it's fair that people hear the other side of the story as well. I know you are very knowledgeable about rifles and cartridges but I don't think you know more than the ballisticians at Hornady who have equipment in their lab for conducting measurements on things you could never dream of being able to measure in your shop. God bless and I really mean that.
I’m sure Randy is highly knowledgeable and passionate but he misses the point of all the new cartridges. It’s not that the 7PRC is better than the 7mm Remington magnum it’s the fact that you can buy a 7PRC off the self and not have to take it to a gunsmith to have the chamber cut for high BC bullets. I get it this 7PRC is cutting into his business and Hornady is the enemy apparently
I totally agree with what you are saying, up till when you said "it's cutting into his business & honady is the enemy, I believe he is saying the hype is making people have false beliefs, for example, I worked with 2 guys, they were brother-in-laws, one had a 30-06, the other a 7MM RM, the one with the 06 bought a 6.5 cm because he "wanted to be able to shoot a deer at 800 yards" the other was gonna buy a 28 nosler to shoot a deer at a mile because a friend of his bought one said they are made for that, BUT, NONE of them shoot more than ten rounds per year because the ammo is expensive.....lmao.....that there is typical of the hype being eaten like candy by TOTALLY uneducated, unpracticed, basically stupid guys that have no business shooting beyond 100 yds., if that,.....hunters afield & deer alike - LOOKOUT !!!
Exactlyyyy, and it’s literally in the name of the cartridge that it’s for precision shooting which many people don’t reload for because they shoot too much ammo. I don’t bother to reload for my 1000 yard rifle since I easily shoot 200+ rounds a range trips. Way too much time spent reloading for me
a chamber ream job at the most $150.
@@lisaannaallen6283whats a new fast twist barrel cost, and reloading equipment if you don’t already have any
@@aaronpudlicki7418 most 7 mags have 1 in 9 r o t vs 1 in 8.5 for a 7 prc .
Well, you also talked down on the 300 prc, stating it doesn't really do anything the winmag can do. Well actually, one can get a non-custom 300 prc and get all the things that would need to be custom for the winmag. Tighter factory chamber, tighter twist for heavier bullets..
Etc. Oh, and the ability to purchase factory 225 grain match loads. Now you are on to the 7mm prc. Having the 300 prc, wouldn't be surprised if you are just as wrong about the 7mm prc.
If you listen to what most of the people talking about what the PRCs is good for, it's not that they can do what other cartridges can't. It's that you can buy a rifle off the shelf, with ammo off the shelf to get similar performance as a custom chambered and hand loaded combo. Not everyone wants to hand load and spend so much on a rifle.
@@05psd916 that’s what he said
Thank you for calling out the ELDX. I had one totally grenade on a pronghorn shoulder at close range out of a 7mm-08. I chased a tripod for an hour across the badlands. I ended it at 300yds. Never will I use them on a big game animal again.
The 7mm PRC allows someone without a gunsmith shop in their garage to go buy a factory rifle n shoot heavy for caliber (high bc) projectiles out of a barrel with the correct twist rate for those projectiles in a more compact package... the shorter powder column allows shorter barrel making a lighter rifle. If I wanted to get my 7 rem mag to shoot same I'd have to A: have the reloading equipment, B:get a new barrel with faster twist rate, C: get extended mag and mag well so those long bullets cycle without hanging up, and not to mention the chamber tolerances. All that would cost more money and headaches than just getting the rifle with the updated, more efficiently designed cartridge. The 7mm RM is a great cartridge but it's not very efficient.
This is true, I just purchased a prc and I did it because of the efficiency of the cartridge and the ability to off the shelf shoot long and heavier bullets. This is just a better longer range cartridge than the older 7rem mag, which is an awesome cartridge but we’ve entered the next chapter and era of different cartridges with efficiency in mind. The years of Gunsmithing to have a rifle shoot like a custom gun is over cuz the factories are making the rifles ready to do it, with a fraction of the cost. Along with the ammo
To shoot in these rifles which I think is the smartest marketing plan by Hornady
Explain your shorter barrel theory, love to hear the technical aspects?
Soooo he likes 7rem better than 7prc? Why is he so mad again?
Ain't mad. You miss the point. Just don't like hype rather than truth. 7MM PRC isn't the best thing since sliced bread or better than the other 7mm's no matter their hype.
Thanks for watching.
Actually the capacity of the 7mm PRC IS GREATER on net than the 7mm Mag. Why? Bullet depth protrusion into the 7mm Mag case is deeper due to the shoulder and OAL reducing its actual net powder volume. On balance the 7mm PRC has greater NET capacity and this is the reason the 7mm PRC has higher velocity and greater energy distance. These are indisputable specs. So, these factors have been overlooked in this discussion. Disclaimer: I do not work for Hornady, have never been paid by Hornady or their assigns and have no vested interest in this discussion other than the truth.
Bullets seated to the same depth for both, the 7 Rem has 4 gr more capacity. Truth, not hype. In fact, the Rem Mag. will equal the velocity of the 7PRC with the same pressures, twists, powders and bullets. Fact, as I've done it.
Thanks for watching.
If I can't get to within 250 yards of my target with a rifle, I don't take the shot. This takes most of the guesswork out of wind drift, elevation difference between me and the target, caliber of the gun, etc.. Too much emphasis is placed on caliber, bullet velocity, bullet BC/energy at 800 yards by gun writers, and not enough emphasis is given to stalking skill. No rifle caliber that comes along can make me believe that I'm the next Carlos Hathcock of long-range big game hunting. That's because he's remembered for his stalking skill, not for the chambering of rifle he used. I use Swift A-Frame and Nosler Partition bullets within 250 yards, and don't waste my time thinking about BC and bullet energy at 800+ yards.
The hype is well deserved. The 7mm PRC is the perfect compromise between terminal ballistics and efficiency. A 180 grain .284 caliber projectile leaving the muzzle at 3000 FPS is the sweet spot for long range performance while still being shootable. For guys that hunt out West, 5-800 yard shots are fairly common. The new PRC is not crazy over the top like the 28 Nosler or 7 STW, but has a modern case design that doesn't get powder space eaten alive by long ogive bullets. Good luck finding a factory twisted and properly throated 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm-08, 280AI etc. that can spin or seat 180s. This is why the PRC is indeed superior. Like most cartridges though, 9 out of 10 fellas arguing about it would be best served by heading to the range and shooting their current rifle more than once a year.
No person should shoot a living breathing animal that can feel pain further than 4oo yards, at the very most. Only a Slob, with NO Hunting Skill would do so. If you don't have the skill and experience to stalk an animal within a reasonable distance to ensure a lethal first shot you have no business hunting, Period. Too many animals are left crippled to die a horrible death by SLOB BUMS who attempt such folly. Don't be that SLOB!!
Lol it’s perfect Is it 😂😂😂 ahhh people really do drink the coolaid
@@user-eg8hb8xt3j there's data you can READ that shows what recoil range leads to a drop-off in accuracy...it's just above the PRC
Except it doesn’t leave the barrel at 3k lol
@loganmorton9304 sure does. Sub-max load of R26 gets ya there with ease, 24" barrel. "Lol"
The only person that can’t learn more is the one that thinks he knows it all
Yeah, darn young whipper snappers know it all.
Good info sir. Personally, I think the ability of a 7mm rifle to accurately handle 175+ gr bullets at 1000 yds is wasted on 99.5% of shooters. Over the last 40 years of sitting at public ranges from Georgia to Cali, N Dakota to Texas, I’ve found that most shooters have no business shooting at game much past 200 yds. Past 500 and you are down below 1 in a hundred. I think shooters should first learn to utilize all the range you can milk out of a good 7mm-08, 260, 6.5 creed… before thinking they should be shooting game at 1200 yds just because writers tell them a gun will do it. If you’re new to the game or don’t have a 7mm and don’t want to hand load then the PRC may be the ticket. If you’re like me and have a 7mag that performs well then there’s really no need to switch. Modern powders have changed the game for the classics. A full load of RL 25 pushes a 160 Accubond right at 3100 fps out of my 20 year old A-Bolt and produces sub MOA groups well past 600yds. Rather than buying a new rifle I’d rather use the money to feed what I have.
I think you make a real valid point. I'd like to add that if somebody thinks they want to shoot game at any distance. They should be able to put a minimum of 5 rounds on target in an 8 inch circle at whatever distance they're shooting. And if they can't do it consistently, they should not hunt at that range. Personally, I like a 5 inch target for myself before I consider myself good enough to hunt at a particular distance. And if I get a new rifle, I practice with it and make sure I am proficient. Before I take the chance of losing a wounded animal somewhere. I can hit an 8 inch plate at 1000 yards pretty consistently, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna hunt at that distance..
I got a hard lesson many years ago, I dropped an elk at a pretty good distance. And forgot to calculate that I was going to have to go uphill, downhill uphill and downhill many times to get to the animal. I got there, the animal was still where it landed. But the distance I thought I was gonna walk to go get it quadrupled. Lol. I'm not shooting over 400 yards if I can help it. It only took one time to learn that lesson.
I also like your point about using what you have if it does the job. I've got a 30-06 that shoots about three-quarter moa consistently. And although I like the idea of the seven PRC personally I haven't been able to justify it, because I just don't need the thing. I want one, and I might get one eventually. But I'm not in a hurry.
I want the 7mm/404 Wapiti!! I have shot a 300 win mag in a tikka whitetail hunter for 25 years, with the a,b,c’s, @180 gr. with 71 gr. of IMR 4350, from 45yds-350yds, hogs to elk, all swift harvests. The next 20 years will be with my 28 nosler, a 175gr NAB LR. BOTW rifle, purchased 5 years ago. Bighorn, elk, deer, and hogs, 25yds-630yds. Swift Harvest jobs.
1. Respect for your quarry.
2.Shot placement
3.Bullet Construction
4.Know your rifle/load and ballistics, by trigger time. Correctly practicing on paper does wonders for muscle memory. No substitute for trigger time!
A-accubonds
B- Barnes triple shock
C- coreloks (old days) then the corelok ultra’s when they came out.
For every situation there’s always someone trying to better the situation, Old School stands the test of time!! Keep’em coming Sir, I would give quite a bit to be able to build my own rifle let alone hundreds like you have!!
"But my engineering degree says you're wrong! My 4 years in school i learned more than your 40+ years experience!"
Bottom line these guys are getting paid to market these things. Randy is the truth when it comes to these things.
He doesn’t have 40 years experience. He had one year experience repeated 40 times.
@@thepracticalrifleman that is still 40 years experience 😂😂😂 if i built roads evey year for the last 40 years its still 40 years of experience 😂😂😂
@@07Gixxer nah, one year of experience repeated 40 times. This dude hasn’t changed with the times or learned anything new along the way.
@@thepracticalrifleman keep your spinning. Hes created cartridges, helped developed bullets and makes high quality rifles. Doing that for the last 40 years I'd listen to him especially over someone thats just bashing on him trying to get attention for his channel. The ELDX is crap. You could rebarrel a 7mm Rem Mag and lengthen the magazine box and it could do exactly what a 7mm PRC could. That isn't anything new. Keep spinning
@@07Gixxer “if you change this other rifle, it can be just like the 7mm PRC!” If your aunt had nuts, she’d be your uncle! Or, rather than a completely custom, the shooter can get a factory rifle with those custom features.
This guy is living in 1970. The world has left him by and he doesn’t even have an understanding with ballistics. This video is the equivalent of “old man yells at clouds”!
Randy you misread Tom beckstrands article on the 7mm prc in guns and ammo he doesn't say that the 7mm prc shoots a 175 gr bullet faster than a 28 nosler he says that the 7mm prc matches the 7mm rum when loaded with vld bullets and shoots 100 to 125 fps SLOWER THAN THE 28 NOSLER . THAT MAY BE THE PROBLEM YOU ARE NOT READING IT CORRECTLY I THINK YOU OWE TOM A OPLOGLY. Further more you do not comprend what he is trying to get across in his article.
I'll call you Mr. Gunsmith, you are 100% right about every single word you said; I live in Bear territory, Alaska, and let me tell you and everybody else, Bear spray DOESN'T WORK, again, BEAR SPRAY DOESN'T WORK, And the big game dapartment is WRONG, I dear them saying to use bear spray instead of a powerful and reliable weapon, are they stupid? I think they are, because they care more about the these predators than humans; here in Alaska we don't use bear spray, because in the past when people used bear spray, 9 times out of 10 people got killed or very very very injured; my advice to whoever live or visit bear territory is to HAVE A POWERFUL GUN WITH YOU ALL THE TIME. Greetings from Anchorage Alaska, your friend, Dr. Duarte.
This dude will hate when we’re all hunting with improved rail gun tech in the next 50 years. “I’m sending a 15 grain rail at 10,000 fps with the recoil of a 22. He would still argue the 270 win is better.
Love listening to the wisdom Randy. Thanks for your input.
ive never commented on his videos before, but he doesnt want to change with the times. the 7mm prc is just a more modern version of the old 7mag and throated correctly for the non hand loader or the guy that buys over the counter rifles. as far as bullets go i myself dont shoot target bullets at game animals period, but there are better and more accurate bullets than than lead tipped nosler partitions . people have put too much into b.c. rather than construction, there is not a perfect bullet for all situations . i guess thats why we have so many calibers and bullet designs . i wish Randy would talk about the benefits of a sammi spec case , rather than how much better the old one is if he builds it to his specs .
Perhaps some of the advantage of these new chamberings is that they claim to standardize things that the older chamberings can only reliably deliver in custom rifles. For example, I've heard some experienced shooters say that rounds like 6.5 CM and the PRC rifles shoot a wide range of ammo well whereas the classics 30-06, 308, 270 Win etc are picky about rounds. Is that because they build the requirement of match grade tolerances into the specs?
When someone like Hornady has a seat at saami to get new cartridges approved, they can dictate a reamer that optimizes performance and then make ammo suited to the reamer they dictate.
I shoot the "old" .308 and love it. I've had and hunted with 300WM, 30-06, 25-06, 7mm-08, 7mmRM, .223 and the venerable 30-30. That doesn't mean I can't consider a new cartridge may be better than something old. 7mmPRC isn't magic, but it will do things my .308 will not. If I can buy a rifle and ammo off the shelf and effectively reach out to steel at 1500+ why not? If it gives me clean kills at 600 with the right ammo why not? Bullet technology is far more advanced than when I started shooting centerfire almost 50 years ago and it's for the better.
Great video thanks for the information. I was going to buy a 7 MM PRC I think I'll stick to my Browning 300 MAG..
Agreed! 300WM is a Thumper!😊
Randy simply states the facts. What he’s saying is the truth.
Thanks! Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.
You just talked me into a 7mm PRC!
Should be renamed 7mm POS.
Awesome
He failed to talk you out of it so I will. The 7prc shoots a match bullet with a bc of nearly .8 close to 3000 fps. Done I talked you out it. 😉
@@chadperry4021 well a eldx is a hunting bullet and they make them berger makes a 180gr elite hunter
I think by the comments here that no matter what is said by whom 90% of the geniuses out the can't grasp what he is talking about. They see prc and think that the 6.5 Creedmoor God's smiled and gave them a new gift.🤣
I love to learn from you Randy. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with this generation of hand loaders. When I first started loading I learned most of it from watching The Real Gun Smith
Enjoyable as always. I'd love to hear you talk about your favorite non-magnum cartridges, whether they be for antelope, mule deer or elk. Some of us don't care about long range shooting and/or don't have any business doing it with our skill sets, and in any case, don't want to deal with the recoil (or maybe I'm just describing myself here). Love the videos. Steve
Shooting out to 500 or 600 yards is not hard to master when your getting close to over 800 to 1000 and more is where it gets tricky
I'm on the don't care to shoot over 300 crowd. Hunting is supposed to be the art of getting as close as possible. Something about seeing the flicker of a deers eye lashes when they are 15 steps away to really test your skills. Just my opinion though. Long range shooting is a good skill on paper to make your hunting shot's that much easier.
@@kylecasetta4091 I bow hunt so I know about being close to deer but if I dont tag a buck in archery then rifle season most deer I killed was 10 to 50 yards but there's been a few times a big buck was out to 200 to 300 or more yards I'm make sure my skill are up to it to make a good shot
@@warrengreen3217 sadly your the minority most can't hit a barn at 250 and still try to be the long range cool guy. Give credit to those who practice and perfect long range shooting it's definitely a skill
You hate anything prc. Try being objective for once
Hi Randy, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have a quick question? I am new to handloading and do not understand how you can increase cartridge length without DECREASING LOAD DENSITY. You mentioned that the 7 rem mag with nosler 175 gr bulletin the best combo. Nosler book says COAL is 3.290". That load density with h-1000 powder is 89%.... How do you improve that when you suggested loading to COAL 3.500" ? The load density will be significantly adversely affected...
Please help, I just want to understand without catastrophic consequences. Thanks, Bill
It is all about square inches. Increasing load round length gives area for more powder. So you increase the charge from, say as an example, 66 gr IMR 7828 to 71 gr IMR 7828 and get more velocity. Load density is the same. And H1000 does not give the velocity of 7828.
Thanks for watching.
Mr Randy do you know of any powder that is comparable to 7828 i have been looking for some without any luck. I tried ladder loads with Mag Pro and my results were less that likable.
I don't disagree with anything stated. I've struggled in my mind with this one for a while but I am building a 7 PRC, though, and here is why. I have a shot out tang safety Ruger, I have a 1 in 7.5 twist Palma profile barrel I picked up. I am a machinist. I was going to make it in 7mm Rem Mag, but since this rifle is going to be heavy and is for hitting paper and steel at long ranges I found myself interested in what they did with the PRC design, and the Gunwerks LRM before it, for shooting the new heavy 7mm bullets at non living targets. I didn't want to go higher powder capacity and I considered my Ruger action length. It took me weeks to choose, I really don't think for my purposes any one of the three wouldn't work. This rifle won't be for hunting, but to see if I can hit long range now that I'm old. Not for competition, just, when I was young I loved hitting rocks or Dirt clods way across the fields. I want to see if I can get to 1000 yards or beyond. I've got other rifles for hunting.
Thank you for sharing your vast experience and knowledge. I came to a similar conclusion of my own accord regarding the ELD-x series of bullets after testing the 200gr 30 cal version. Luckily I decided it wasn’t suitable for hunting before using on game animals. I recovered several bullet fragments out of the berm and couldn’t believe how badly the jackets separated and the lead cores fragmented. The “interlock” is just as you say, a mere sliver compared to actual Interlock series bullets. This was out of a 30-06 with around 2600fps mv. There are so many other, better choices for hunting.
We can always trust Randy to "tell it like it REALLY is"!!! I agree with Liberty Cave's comment below...the 7X57 Mauser cartridge has stood the test of time!! Absolutely nothing replaces practical experience, and you obviously have a lifetime of it!! Much respect to you Randy!!!
Always interesting, but most of the best cartridges are from yesteryear. All the revolver rounds and 45/70, 30/30, 30-06, 220 Swift, and on……..let’s not forget the .22 as well.
Randy's an grumpy old man that thinks his steam engine is way better than that new gas motor.
@@matthewkyle6939 What I got from it 20 miles uphill in the snow bs.
I share your concerns regarding bullet performance vs BC. The latter equates to less bullet drop, greater wind deflection, and better velocity retention, but what good is it if your projectile performs poorly on game? I'm not a long range target shooter or long range hunter even though I live in Montana, so I don't really have a dog in this fight. I already own a 7-08, 7x57, and 7mm Mag and they more than meet all of my needs. I do have a custom built 300 Win Mag, but it is too heavy to tote in the field for any distance and my personal ethics won't allow me to shoot at anything at extreme range. Not only is there a greater chance of wounding game due to poor bullet placement, poor bullet performance, or lack of energy, but tracking it becomes problematic. I'm sure others will disagree, but I'm addressing my own abilities and beliefs, not theirs.
I totally agree, and it's great to hear from others that hunt this way. We just saw a post on Raven's Throat Outfitters in NWT. The woman and her guide saw the dall sheep she wanted from 1100 yard away. Did a low stalk, belly over rocks, to 200 yards, then another crawling stalk to 150 yards for a fantastic ram. THAT is hunting. We know the outfitter, who used to outfit out of our area. They are sure their clients hunt but the results are great animals taken, fairly.
Thanks for watching.
A perfect example of "you cant teach an old dog new tricks". He refuses to see the advances in bullet technology and bashes everything thats designed to shoot high bc bullets.
I'm getting 3160 out of my 7prc with 180gr berger vlds and it's not showing pressure. And the berger vld kills and does it quick. Guess my old country gunsmith from North Carolina knows how to put one together.
I’m not buying it. Unless you have a 30 inch barrel or are necking down the 300PRC case to 7mm. Always hear of these amazing velocities on the internet but have never seen it in person
@Lee Lathrop you don't have to believe it. I really don't have to prove anything but facts are facts.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I do not trust articles selling new and better things. Your experience is clear. Thank you sir for your time and energy. edit: You have been invaluable to me in my hand loading. Thanks again.
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I know for a fact that you can get 2916 fps out of a 7PRC with a 22” barrel shooting factory 175 grain ELD-X. So getting 2980 fps out of a 26” barrel is not outlandish at all. The factory ammo seems compressed though. The powder doesn’t shake at all. I haven’t tore one apart yet. Randy I appreciate your real life experience with design and manufacturing of rifles. God bless you for sharing this information.
It appears to me that the 7 PRC is roughly equivalent to a 7 mm Rem Mag but without a belt which should lead to longer case life for reloaders.
I agree with one thing he says, you gotta use the right bullet for whatever you are shooting at, game or targets...
That's the biggest take away from a rant that goes on too long. There's no stink on the 7mm PRC, and no magic in the 7 RM...they both push bullets out of a bore. Pick the right bullet and put it where it needs to go.
What I find interesting is most of us that are hunters or Target shooters or both. Are using items such as clothing, boots, packs, Bino’s, rangefinders, rifle scopes, rifles, and most of all our cartridges. Have at one time or another been through the same process as these new cartridges they all went through advertising hype, better than their competitors, and will make you a better hunter and shooter Advertisement! I personally shoot older cartridges that’s been a round a while. I find his points to be on par in many points and other aspects not on par at all.
OK, so the ELD-X bullet isn't the greatest, that's fine. There will be plenty of ammo choices for the PRC going forward other than the Hornady offerings. And the 7PRC isn't faster than a 28 Nosler, again fine, and I've never heard anyone really make that claim regardless. And a custom 7RM can or will match or beat a factory 7PRC. Again fine, but so what? The vast majority of hunters don't have custom rifles built and don't custom load their own ammo. They buy off the shelf guns and ammo. Isn't the entire point of the PRC cartridges to offer an off the shelf rifle with off the shelf ammo to people that will perform close to what custom and wildcatters have been needed to achieve in the past? With that in mind who cares about a custom 7RM vs a factory 7PRC? The only question most hunters want to know is how will a factory 9 twist 7RM with factory ammo compare to a factory 8 twist 7PRC with factory ammo?
I believe the 7MM Rem. Mag. To be an ideal deer caliber. I usually hand load my loads with IMR powder with at least 150 gr.bullet. leaving the barrel at three thousand FPS. My scope 6x18 Redfield on a Ruger M77 bolt action. My loads are taken from a Hornady Manuel. I under stand your custom built rifles have better volicity. With more accurate loads. I love listening to your series on different calibers. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Idk why I watch this guy. He may have known what he was talking about 30-40 years ago. But modern firearms, ammunition, and technology have left this guy in the dust.
Exact same technology.
Prc is just a short action magnum (saum wsm) with a longer throat to except longer high bc bullets without compacting the powder and stuck in a long action due to the overall length. I hunt and shoot a 7mm wsm and it’s phenomenal. It’s short coming is the shorter neck to seat a longer bullet. The short fat cases are more the efficient at burning powder quicker. There fore u can get the same fps out of less powder less recoil when comparing the same charge or a little more in a longer case. Lot more powder in the 28nosler lot more recoil therefore it’s going to be faster than a short fat magnum case. How quick the burn gets to the center of a powder charge effects velocity. Quicker center powder burn of the charge equals higher velocity. That’s fact over a longer case longer powder burn with the charge being similar. Key word in my statement similar! What’s I’m warry of if you go longer high bc bullets in faster twist the spin can make the bullet come apart. This is why winchester kept the twist in the wsm the same as the rem mag and capped the weight at 160gr. A elk is not gonna care if it’s hit with a 160 bonded vs 175 bullet. Guys need to understand what spinning the bullet faster can do. It can make it come apart at the higher rpm of the bullet by adding a lot of more force on the bullet guts. 5” different wind drift at 600 yrds vs the prc. I can hold or dial that. When I buy another 7mm it’s gonna be a rem mag just cause I want higher weight bullets my short mag can’t handle. There’s give and take between the wsm and rem mag but I believe the high twist prc could be problems
The only PRC that fits in a short (ish) action is the 6.5
No disrespect but you talk about the PRC family like millions of research hasn’t been invested in Hornady to be able to push the limits of performance without having to have something custom built and hand loaded for. These are bad ass boom sticks ready to compete and out perform custom rifles that have been hand loaded to the max. You can literally walk up buy the rifle buy a scope and rings buy a box of ammo go to the range and shoot sub MOA and shoot out to a grand. It’s amazing what they are doing. The gun industry is becoming dynamic and obviously moving faster than some can keep up with…
Reminds me of my grandpa in his last 5 years. Angry, but his facts and experience were right on.
I've never heard a more confusing, convoluded, proud, or condescending explanation of anything in my entire life. A lecturer but not a teacher.
The 7X57 Mauser is the perfect 7MM, it has stood the test of time.
......worlds GREATEST secret !!!....127 yrs. old & is more modern than the 6.5 creedmoor....lol......gotta love bullshit hype-marketing to the sheople of nowdays who eat it like they do their pop & candy.....lmao
My favorite by a long shot. Continues to do everything I ask of it in spades.
I wanted a 7 Mauser but couldn’t find one so I got a 7/08, it’s a dandy too.
Bygod I can't say it better myself! It's really a good bet that you are 100 percent correct, I know that it Kills em just as good as any other round if not better with the softpoints that I have used.
My ruger #1 in 7x57 has served me well for years on the local whitetails
The 7 PRC is good for what it is, Precision Rifle Cartridge. That's where it needs to stay, competition. I don't know who came up with the idea that BC'S replace kinetic energy? Whomever thought of that, is doing hunters a great disservice. Eld-x bullets are more or less competition and mediocre deer and antelope bullets. With all this being said, today's shooters are all about "efficiency" and being "scientific" accedemics are great in the competition world, where the variables are somewhat controlled. But this so called new efficient and scientific way doesn't always work in the field.
Higher BC means more retained energy down range. That’s a fact. A higher BC means that bullet doesn’t shed weight as quickly.
Who is shooting this case in competition? It’s case capacity is to big for most comp disciplines other than ELR stuff then it’s under gunned for that. It’s a well designed hunting case. It’s not anything new for sure but they did get the throat right on them with factory chamber. The only problem with any of the PRC cases is the .200 line is to small and clicker are a problem with any dies out there.
Randy, you are a book of knowledge! Other than these videos, do you pass this on to future generations in any other way? If not, you should.
Thank you, Sir. Other than this, no. I've been urged to write a book, but that is really time consuming and writing is not a strength for me. Our sons, both great craftsmen in their own right, have not taken this up.
Thanks for watching.
Ok so the problem with the 7mm PRC is that there was one uncited article that may have gotten the velocities wrong and that Hornady loads them with poor ELD bullets (among other bullets btw)?
The phone call in the video was a guy asking for a 7PRC build 😂
😂😂😂
I wish I had a man like you when I was younger to teach me all the gun related things that you talk about.
You could have taught yourself by reading books. That’s how everyone does it, including Randy.
@@michaelhennegan9637 I’m in my 40’s and I have been reading magazines and books about guns and ammunition since I was 12. I still have questions and a lot to learn.
Im all for hearing things like they are, but i cannot stand a man that talks "at" a person instead of "to". My grandfather was a tough old rancher and a plain and simple truth man, but he wasnt smarter than everyone else, and he didnt talk "at" people like this either. In fact this kind/method of talk is what he hated more than anything, the "me", "i", superior kind of talk. As a young man i didnt understand that. Just now i just realized what he meant..
I came here for real info, and while its here, i cannot tolerate the personality presenting it. Today i understand my late grandfather more than ever. I too cannot stand the higher than thou personality, and this is the clearest example ive ever seen in my life. Its too bad that pure intelligence is clouded by extreme narcissism.
To quote an old friend ( I'm sure it wasn't original)
"You can fool the fans, but you can't fool the players."
At traditional hunting ranges, and for most North American game...I still don't understand what's wrong with a .270 Winchester.
Especially when it has worked so well, for so long.
🤠 I live in Montana and the Grizzlies are all hibernating by the time hunting season starts (Unless you are hunting an early season hunt in the Bob Marshall Wilderness Area)! I won't shoot a game animal when it is still 80 F out, because I don't want the meat to spoil! So, the bottom line is - give me the 270 Winchester All Day, Every Day! 🎯 I know where my gun shoots and can put the bullet where it is supposed to go and the results are always the same - dead elk (animal)! 🦌
Hold on, the only thing to make a cartridge “better” according to this guy is to be faster?
Guy doesn't understand that some people don't reload or like to have a custom stick spun up every time they need a new gun. I like the old 7mms but I understand the manufacturing standardization you get with a new cartridge designed for the available bullets.
Those who listen to this man’s lifetime of experience might just learn something. He’s not part of the modern marketing hype guys who distort facts. He’s not being paid, he can tell the truth.
Hello Randy, thanks for your information on the 7PRC. I’ve built two bolt rifles that I’m very happy with (6mm creedmoor and a 223) and looking to add a third. The third rifle will be a long action that can shoot LONG range. I’ve taken the 6 creedmoor to a mile and it works but not consistently. I’ve been looking at 7mm options and would welcome your suggestion on what caliber you’d choose to run out beyond a mile?
I think he hates hornday lol! It not that the prc line of cartridges are any better there inherently more accurate because of the case design every ELR shooter knows higher bc bullet's seated closer to the lans is gonna be more accurate with a slower twist rate barrel and heavier projectiles hornday prc line does that without having too have a smith build a custom rifle they have cornerd the market for off the shelf rifles shooting out to distance
I value the experience and wisdom Randy has. I do have to say, Hornady is able to publicize new cartridges and can keep a following. I would immediately get a 7mm SAUM but there is almost no factory ammo or rifles. The PRC line almost immediately has rifles, ammo and even reloading equipment. Also, I know that everything can be customized but that’s just the point with hornady. You can get a ready to go heavy bullet shooting magnum rifle.
LOL 🙄🙄🙄
This guy knows what he is talking about
As far as 7mm’s go, what is your opinion of the 280 Ackley Improved? Would you recommend it for someone re-barreling a standard long action (30-06 based) rifle?
I’m thinking about rebarrelling a 270 into a 280 AI. It ain’t no rem mag but still really really good
Very versatile round ...
A good choice.
Thanks for watching.
Save your money. BTDT.
Randy i have a 270 that likes 150gr nosler partition & 53.5 gr of 4831sc. Sub moa at 100yrds. But I do like the hammer bullets best.