Got to admire your dedication to the hobby and your channel, actually buying another model of a type you are not that thrilled with just to prove that you were correct in the first place!
I’m glad your doing this now comparing the two models But I am shocked Bachman’s have changed absolutely nothing on the model And have changed the price only You should do this more when you review older stock
@@the_autism_express Not connected with Bachmann in any way but I think you do them an injustice. I have some very very nice Bachmann locos which are strong too.
Yet another good and honest review Sam, you must have saved me a small fortune unlike some other "reviewers " whose only consideration is for the manufacturers, a big THANK YOU.
DO the instructions illustrate how they want the DCC decoder installed? Personally I agree with your first video that the decoder should go in the tender.
Well done Sam. Just goes to prove the amount of care you take with your reviews. You're now an expert in Hall Class locos as well! They are wonderful machines.
Last time I was this early the gaffer called me into the office to accuse me of speeding...I was! Hehehe... You could just ring them up and ask what upgrades they have done... which would be a short phone call I'm sure! Send the heap of overpriced rubbish back buddy. Good work mukka. Stay happy... keep on their case. When you get a moment, unless I have missed it somewhere, can you do a video on how to perform regauging or send us a link. Happy days from Oz. Stay safe.
haha!! That's true - but I wanted to demonstrate it on camera too, otherwise folks could say I was lying or something! Regauging is a nightmare, and not something I'd recommend doing - so easy to muck it up, or even worse mess up the quartering! Cheers mate - stay safe my friend! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Well, there is good that comes out of any evil. I hope this tells Bachmann to get their act together. Thanks for the video, and for taking one for us, mate!
Hi Sam, thanks for the mention! A few questions: 1. How is the gauging of the track throughout that area of your track - consistent? varies? Max / Min? 2. When at your 40% setting, what is the voltage in that region - is there much drop off in voltage? 3. How did the B2B's vary - much? +/-0.1mm? Widest distance? 4. How are the F2F's (shall we call them) - just in front of the flanges? 5. How do the F2F's compare with the gauging of the track in that area of your layout? I like your analytical approach - I'm an industrial chemist tasked with assisting in trouble shooting our laboratories so that's effectively my profession, hence my analytical approach! Food for thought? Al.
Thanks very much Alan - I'll check some of those for you! The difference in B2B was always within 0.1mm per model I believe! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thank you Sam for this video. Now you know why I I do not buy any engine or model railroad merchandise with out watching your videos first . You save me a lot from getting a headaches.
I love your channel it's great! I also noticed a way to tell the difference between a Wrenn Duchess and any other brand. The Wrenn smokeboxes are slightly slanted towards the cab whereas your other Duchess' all have smokeboxes that go straight down towards the running plate. I noticed this during one of your recent videos amd forget to mention lol. Thanks for the video - Loco! (P.s I am called Sam too!)
After watching this I checked the gauge on an unused second hand 64xx I've had for a couple of weeks. Dreadful runner, inconsistent speed, slowed on corners, wouldn't run under 70%. I'd cleaned everything, set the pickups etc but no luck. Took the body off to check the gauging more easily and it was only then that I finally registered the DCC chip that had been staring me in the face for a fortnight 😂. Blanking plate purchased and she now runs like a dream. So thank you for sort of solving my problem😂
Ahh fantastic - glad you were able to fix that - I remember being stumped by the same thing when I first learned about DCC, lol! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam just wanted to say love your reviews I’m from Birmingham originally now in Canada . Building a large layout and before I buy a loco I check your reviews. Honest and fare !
Greeting from the USA! I notice that the center driving axle wheels are flanged on this model which prevent it from making the smaller radius curves. Most models I've seen in the American market with more than two driving axles typically have blind wheels without flanges on the center most axles to allow negotiation through tight turns. I'm not sure if such a small variation in gauging should affect turning that drastically or how much blind drive wheels are used on models in the UK market. The model could just be made for wider curves, I'm not familiar with UK model railroading standards, but in the US the model's minimum turning radius is usually printed on the box which, if you haven't, might be something to check.
Thanks for sharing! All models like this have flanged wheels in the UK - even huge 2-8-0s, so it’s definitely not that! But yes, a small difference in gauging would make or break it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Okay so now to all doubting Sam's reviews either get a second opinion before you trash it, or pay close attention, he's trying to give us the best advice he can.
I own a Bachmann Modified Hall and it's practically the same only with the detail differences that Hawksworth did to the Collett design. As for the weight on the chassis, removing it won't effect the power since I located another weight tucked in the smokebox and the running board with be diecast. Also, I think the Hornby version decided to steal some traction tyres to make it act more powerful than the Bachmann ones without you looking.
Very interesting - thanks a lot for sharing, I was wondering whether the modified hall was any different! Nope - no traction tyres on Hornby's model ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I got my class 57/3 sorted but it still needs renumbering and nameplates that correspond to the running no. as I bid on but was unsuccessful on some 57 thunderbird nameplates
@@SamsTrains yeah, if I want a OO/HO hall class (Not to mention that I don't have ANY OO/HO tender engines) I'll see if Hornby ships models to the US, and excepts American currency...
@@the_autism_express I am buying from Hattons and Rail of Sheffield as main providers, and I am living in France. They would ship to the US and take USD without problem. You also can have a second bank account with a Visa card to change your money cheaply to GBP and pay internationnaly. I do that with a Revolut account (smartphone needed), but you have other on-line banks that can provide you such a service.
What possible reason is there to still use a 3 pole motor. 5 pole run smoother. Better crawl, better over points etc. Especially for a big loco like this. Little difference in cost. Or have I missed something?
Yeah I noticed that too - I was very careful not to put that back properly during my teardown - pretty sure I didn't cause that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks Ryan! I'd be worried about ruining the wheel surface - if you scratch them up, they'll attract dirt! But I bet you're right, they would pull better! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The gauging issue is very annoying, I have an old mainline class 03 shunter and the front axle is 0.2mm off. I found a key issue was that going over points with the out of gauge axle first was that upon making contact with the frogs it springs it off the track, derailing it sending it between the two tracks. Very annoying that but may be interesting to see how your Halls perform on points.
Wasn’t expecting a video on Friday, thought it was gonna be on Saturday or something. But oh well, at least we got a new video from you today that I can watch! :P
Got one as a present found it eventually failing due to worn milled grooves I am actually going to rebuild it with a comet model chassis with Bush bearings with high level gearbox and modify to use original parts What's your view on rebuilding old models Also plan on give a chassis from southeastern finecast for a n class body and tender I bought for £35
Wow! That's a fascinating proposition - please do keep me updated on the progress! Should be very interesting indeed to see if you can produce a better running model!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I will Once my finances are more stable next month but the n class Is first on list and the hall will be on when I feel like as I may not be able to use original parts due to previous repairs although another future upgrade to all of my Bachmann locos would be to get a small milling machine and mill the grooves to fit a brass square U section to act as a Bush
Hi Sam. Would locos like this benefit from being powered by a feedback controller for tight curves and gradients, or would that just overload the motor? As this loco does not have a coreless motor, I suspect not. However, your advice here would be beneficial. Thanks, Pete.
To be honest I have several Bachmann locos. They all work fine. The hill is obviously a gearing difference as you say the Hornby runs slower for the same voltage. Not defending Bachmann but how much is the equivalent railway range from Hornby?
Sure, these work fine for now, but their mechanisms are objectively poor (with the exception of their latest steamers!) The Hornby equivalents are similarly priced, except they have much better mechanisms! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam. Is there a chart somewhere which explains the correct wheel gauging for the locos. I'm beginning to think I need to check some of mine. Also if they are out of gauge how do you or can you correct it.?
Hey Gordon - I know that the gauge should be 14.4mm, but I'm not certain what the effect of them being 14.7mm would be; it's only 0.3mm after all! What is true is that Hornby's are quite reliably at 14.4mm +/- 0.05mm, and their models work pretty well! Locos can be re-gauged, but it's a devil of a process, and very easy to cock up... even I'm not comfortable with it... not something I'd really recommend! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Good lord, the bottom of Gordons hill is a perfect storm for this model, 90 degree RH curve into a reverse curve. With the weight of the train on the whole curve and all the drag that entails, its a good place to test! I have found with Bachmann models that the haulage does improve with age, and it seems down to the wheel blackening material. The more it wears off the better they are, and that holds true for their (Farish) N gauge models as well. The wheel back to backs will have an effect on the sideways play in the wheelsets, wide to gauge will naturally have a bit more play in it, and an excess I have found can cause the wheels to interfere with the side rods and inside of the splashers (and walshaerts valve gear) that can add a bit more friction into the mechanism as it negotiates curves. In worse case scenarios I have on occasion had walshaerts valve gear completely bind due to tight clearances on the valve gear and excess play in the wheels, both from Hornby and Bachmann, and even more commonly on Graham Farish N Gauge models. I think in this models case however, the main issue appears to be the high gearing sapping torque from the motor with the gauging a side issue that doesn't help matters. I've checked over my worst offender, a Bachmann 4F which derails on anything tighter than 3rd radius because its so wide to gauge (14.81mm on the leading wheelset, 14.6 centre, 14.65 rear) that the wheels rub the inside of the splashers as it goes into a curve and literally forces itself off the track. I need to find my old wheel press methinks and see how it behaves with the leading wheelset bringing down to 14.6mm!
haha it certainly is - it's a nasty one, but most models handle it perfectly! Thanks a lot for sharing this - yes you're right about that!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm here after Bachmann's new spring 2021 announcements (and after buying a Hornby hall), where they announced that these are 185 pounds now. Oof. Looks like they have a new tender, but if they were to upgrade it mechanically speaking they usually put a 21 pin decoder socket in as well, which the new one does not. At least they don't have the oversized lamp irons anymore though!
My fascination for your videos is on a rise with every passing day. These little railways look so amazing. Why don't you build a locomotive all by yourself??? You can obviously give that a try you know besides the ready-made ones :D BTW I'm from India and love your videos very much. May you reach the 100K mark soon here because that's what you deserve Sam...!!
That's fantastic to hear!! I think you've overestimated my skill by a long way - I don't think I could build a loco by myself!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains You yourself have a video where you were testing model railway's speeds and there you had built something kind of loco with propellers and motors and as an Electronics engineer I was fascinated by the idea!!! Hence the suggestion!!! Whatever be it, you're doing a great job & continue doing it and entertaining us!!!
I must congratulate you on setting out and proving your point. With after seeing three models two off which are modern all exactly the same hopefully the naysayers will see that you are one of the few people who actually researches and gives the most honest review and opinion on any model reviewed with no freebies too boot. You have a back to back tool in your tool kit, can you not try to set them correctly to see if it makes any difference.
Thanks very much Rob - it makes it all worthwhile to read comments like that! My B2B is a 14.5mm one, I think i'd need to buy a 14.4 before I tried that!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks Sam for the review of the new/old version, it's disappointing to see there is no improvement, and also 'to boot' that the wheel axles are not squared.
Well I am glad that my locos are all BR NE region with the occasional visitor from BR LM region. Having spent a year working in model railway retail I must admit I am rather sceptical of model railway companies this time around compared with my early adventure to the hobby in the eighties. Whilst they now drive the market place as oppose to the other way around with the limited edition modelling, you would have thought that they would have looked after the customers better as they surely realise they have almost a monopoly. So is it really back to what we did in the early eighties taking what we would now consider a Railroad model and super detail it and fit the D.C.C. ourselves upgrading the motor from 3 pole to 5 pole. Maybe the personal satisfaction level would be great and we would not be going through the constant buying and selling of locos that is more prevalent today!
Thanks for sharing Bill - I think your scepticism is completely justified, haha! Their practices don't make much sense to me either... oh well... I'm sure they're doing very nicely for themselves! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Thank you Sam, I wonder if the big boys will grasp what the market place thinks about them and start to change. However normally I am not a sceptic and I am usually a positive person, it is time to go back to the old adage if it is British it is well engineered.
Bought a brand new DCC fitted Bachmann Hall in 2010 for £68. The same model as the ones you have tested. It runs smoothly on DCC but like you said limited in what it can pull uphill. How can Bachmann justify increasing price to £165 with only the addition of etched name plates.
Thanks Sam for another good and honest review. I don't buy anything until I have see your review. Even though this is not the best of locos they still have their uses. I bought a non-runner for £18 and put in in a half bricked up tunnel (Henry), just for a laugh.
Hi Sam. Another good informative video. This is a total disregard for Bachmanns customers. Instead of stating new tooling on their models, they would be more accurate using a new term on their products. Something like disappointment now included in the new price. Your videos serve as an excellent way of warning potential customers of some of the ripoff prices for what you actually get. I was a Bachmann fan until I saw this, and I hope Bachmann don't sell many of these locomotives. I have enjoyed the video as I always do. Keep up your excellent work. Cheers Chris.
Thanks a lot Chris! Bachmann didn't claim it was a new tool - they just continue to produce it in their range today with that huge price tag! The video thumbnail was intended to show that this wasn't a new tooling, despite the expectation! Many thanks for the kind words - can't believe they don't either sell these for less, or make some much-needed improvements! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains hi Sam. My apologies for misunderstanding the meaning of the thumbnail at the beginning. your video did prove that Bachmann are ripping their customers off. Cheers Chris.
Wish Hornby still had the Hall in their range today in either GWR or BR Livery. Hopefully in 2021 they will bring them back! If they do I will probably get a couple if they are selling them for the prices that they where previously selling them at. How is this for an idea: they bring back the old Tri-ang Caledonian single wheeler into their railroad range with a modern version of the CR blue livery. They would basically be printing money for themselves at that point I think.
I find it a bit strange that Bachmann doesn't put the decoder in the tender on their British locomotives. From what I've seen they have been putting DCC and pickups in the tenders of most, if not all of their US steamers. Keep up the great work Sam.
Hmm.. Very strange Sam. I have both a Bachmann Hall (4965 Rood Ashton Hall) and the Railroad Hall (4901 Adderley Hall). From what I can see on my layout they both perform as well as each other. I don't know if it's because my Bachmann Hall is somehow different because it's split from a train pack (The Shakespeare Express), but that seems unlikely. What I can tell you is that the running board is diecast (like with yours) and the strange inaccuracies like the enormous lamp brackets are present on my own too. What do you think, it mine just a rare good performer and I got lucky?
@@SamsTrains My layout is fairly short, so mostly flat, although there is a very slight climb past the Signal Box. It never seems to struggle on this, even with 6 or more coaches. The radii are 2nd radius (inside line) and 3rd Radius (Outside Line). The gradient seems more pronounced on the outside line. Hopefully that helps!
Great video Sam in my opinion I think it looks okay but there is no reason why both can’t be ran on the same layout In my opinion this needs to stop because in the end it is just a locomotive and when it is running you can barely see any difference between them
Thanks David! That's okay though - it's okay that there's no difference between them - that's what I was trying to prove! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I wasn’t getting at you Sam I was mainly saying what I said because everyone else says that the more detailed versions are better every time
Another review of loco just to make sure everything is done proper justice. i am well impressed there, not even all journalists do that much. Not being actual train model enthusiast i do not know so ill ask: re-gaging was mentioned before (in previous videos i watched around these parts), but those wheels do not look like you can easily do this. Are they friction fitted and/or will it be fixable? I immediately went to assume that wheels and axis are one chunk of metal but that dose not quite make sense as that would probably be too complex shape. So other ways to make it stick together is just have the wheel have friction fit on axis or barrings (which has been mentioned is not the case here). Glad this video exists just on principle of creator trying their best to be fair to the model, it shows remarkable care they take to try and be as neutral as possible.
You're very kind mate - I felt I had to do it. They're friction fitted, but very firmly - it's a nightmare to budge them, and very easy to mess it up, I don't like doing it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
is it posible to swap the chassis with the hornby one? if it is you'll have a good looking model and a good running model even though this is unacceptable bachmann should check their toolings and chassis before producing them but its not like hornby never did anything wrong i guess they had a bad day when designing this
I'm lost for words Sam, thanks to you, we mere mortals are able to make informed decisions as to which models are worth investing your hard earned money on....Great work young man...Bob
Would you recommend the hornby hall over the bachmann? I suppose one can always improve the detailing on the hornby but the bachmann requires reengineering!
I’m not familiar with what it means to gauge a loco... well, I mean, I know about the different gauges, oo, n, etc, but I don’t know the gauging that you are referring to in this case.
Now I’m not expecting Hornby quality mechanism now I never expect that from any other companies, I’m not even expecting hattons or Oxford quality but for the love of god is asking for the basic mechanism design features really that much
It’s too bad Bachmann haven’t upgraded this model, it looks fantastic 😢. Do you remember if you tried the GWR one on DCC by chance? I’m just wondering if the performance was better on DCC
A very good review there Sam unfortunately I am unable to lipread. Can you please include captions as people like me are very deaf and find it difficult to follow.
The automatic subtitles aren't too bad. They get some things wrong, but I've seen a lot worse. The voice recognition seems to like Sam's clear diction. :-)
Thanks Denis - apologies for that! My videos are usually uploaded and scheduled long before release, which gives the subtitling time to process. These last two videos were uploaded shortly before release, so they haven't processed yet. The subtitles should be working soon, if not already! If I had the time to sit and do them, or could afford to pay someone to do it, I'd have subtitles on all my stuff - really sorry about that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Electrical contacts to the tender wheels which are connected to the loco by wires. This means that if the loco might stop on the plastic dead zone on points, the motor will still be getting power from the tender.
Hi Sam Nice review, I can't believe that they can take an old one and call it New, and at a price , makes the mind boggle , Thanks All the Best Brian 🤗
Ah yes Sam, it was the Pacific Loco's video you made a few months ago. Also, what did the mystery Loco's you ran in a running session have in common? I never figured it out! xD
So my take away is, if I have a slight hill on my layout & want to pull six coaches with a bachmann hall, I need to buy three of em to triple head it XD
Well done Sam for proving a point..i will continue to purchase the much cheaper and better running models from Hornby.Like i have said before i purchased this Hornby Adderley Hall for £50-£60 from Hattons two years ago,and it still runs great today :)
By my understanding you paid extra for the same class you already have. The only new tool is the cab and packaging I rather spend my money on a Hornby Mallard in the premium range. I send my condolences 🙂🙂
Out of curiosity, would it be feasible to fit one of the cheap Chinese 5 pole motors you buy in it, if you where to put the worm gear onto it? Not sure if the dimensions n what not would stop that
Not really - they don't fit unfortunately - Bachmann seem to use their own motor design, which makes that very difficult :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)
When did Bachmann start skimping on their motors? I've got a v1 from the mid 90s with a great motor, flywheel and all. i find it hard to believe they couldn't have fit whatever was in that into a tender engine with a large boiler like this. I'd not expected the latest issue to be improved, but at least now i know just how insulting the RRP actually is, consistent theme with bachmann I've noticed.
I'm not sure they ever started skimping, they just continue to use the same old design, despite newer, cheaper, and better ones now being available! Yes, very insulting indeed! :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)
goes to show the slightest millimetre out of gauge makes a big difference. I'm wondering Sam, is the gauging issue repairable such as on the Bachmann Halls and the beautiful Dapol Terrier? Or are those locos unfortunately stuck on it?
Yeah I think so - shows how sensitive all this is! Yeah it's repairable, but it's a nasty thing to attempt - I wouldn't really recommend it :/ Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Old Bachmann Hall Class and New “retooled” Bachmann Hall Class: No bearings and slows down on curves. Hornby Olton Hall (Hogwarts Castle or Hogwarts Express): We’ll see about this, Bearing-oo Install-lum! (Hornby crew install bearings in the Hornby Hall and Olton Hall’s axles by a “Harry Potter style” spell)
haha! Hornby's is better (and runs better) but it doesn't actually have bearings either - not one of their best, but still better than Bachmann's! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Got to admire your dedication to the hobby and your channel, actually buying another model of a type you are not that thrilled with just to prove that you were correct in the first place!
haha thanks Alex - I just felt it was my responsibility really, it was my fault for being ambiguous!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’m glad your doing this now comparing the two models
But I am shocked Bachman’s have changed absolutely nothing on the model
And have changed the price only
You should do this more when you review older stock
haha yeah - it is shocking that the mech hasn't been at all improved!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Its a common Bachmann move, theyre kinda infamous for that!
Oooooh bachman cutting costs and making us pay more.
How did I not see this coming for the millionth time?
-Das Mann
haha yes, does seem to be a recurring theme! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains when will bachmann start making quality lovomotives?
(Also, does hornby sell to the USA and except US dollars?)
@@the_autism_express Not connected with Bachmann in any way but I think you do them an injustice. I have some very very nice Bachmann locos which are strong too.
Yet another good and honest review Sam, you must have saved me a small fortune unlike some other "reviewers " whose only consideration is for the manufacturers, a big THANK YOU.
Thanks so much Sam - that's my pleasure - I know the ones you mean, and I take pride in not being like them! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
DO the instructions illustrate how they want the DCC decoder installed? Personally I agree with your first video that the decoder should go in the tender.
That's a good question! I'll double check with that, but agreed, the place for decoders is in the tender! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Well done Sam. Just goes to prove the amount of care you take with your reviews. You're now an expert in Hall Class locos as well! They are wonderful machines.
Thanks very much Mike - they certainly are!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Congrats on 90k subscribers Sam! I still remember when I first started watching you had 50k!
Thanks so much mate - it's been a wild ride, thanks so much for the support! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
you should try Kato sam its a really good brand and also should build a narrow-gauge railway as a part of your layout
Thanks for the idea - I'd love that!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thank you Sam for buying another one to give a fair review. We appreciate what you do for your channel and fans.
That's my pleasure - people must be able to trust my videos, so this had to be done!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Last time I was this early the gaffer called me into the office to accuse me of speeding...I was! Hehehe... You could just ring them up and ask what upgrades they have done... which would be a short phone call I'm sure! Send the heap of overpriced rubbish back buddy. Good work mukka. Stay happy... keep on their case. When you get a moment, unless I have missed it somewhere, can you do a video on how to perform regauging or send us a link. Happy days from Oz. Stay safe.
haha!! That's true - but I wanted to demonstrate it on camera too, otherwise folks could say I was lying or something! Regauging is a nightmare, and not something I'd recommend doing - so easy to muck it up, or even worse mess up the quartering! Cheers mate - stay safe my friend!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Well, there is good that comes out of any evil. I hope this tells Bachmann to get their act together. Thanks for the video, and for taking one for us, mate!
haha I'm sure not - I've been making videos like this for years, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, thanks for the mention! A few questions:
1. How is the gauging of the track throughout that area of your track - consistent? varies? Max / Min?
2. When at your 40% setting, what is the voltage in that region - is there much drop off in voltage?
3. How did the B2B's vary - much? +/-0.1mm? Widest distance?
4. How are the F2F's (shall we call them) - just in front of the flanges?
5. How do the F2F's compare with the gauging of the track in that area of your layout?
I like your analytical approach - I'm an industrial chemist tasked with assisting in trouble shooting our laboratories so that's effectively my profession, hence my analytical approach!
Food for thought?
Al.
Thanks very much Alan - I'll check some of those for you! The difference in B2B was always within 0.1mm per model I believe!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thank you Sam for this video. Now you know why I I do not buy any engine or model railroad merchandise with out watching your videos first . You save me a lot from getting a headaches.
It's a pleasure mate, ahh lovely to hear that - it's a pleasure mate! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
13:20 ahhh yes! The lovely GWR schools class designed by Peppercorn!
haha I know... it was a long day! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yoooo Sam you real inspirational man💯
Awhh thanks so much Tony - it's all about the trains though - nothing inspirational about me!! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains :) Hi Sam
I love your channel it's great! I also noticed a way to tell the difference between a Wrenn Duchess and any other brand. The Wrenn smokeboxes are slightly slanted towards the cab whereas your other Duchess' all have smokeboxes that go straight down towards the running plate. I noticed this during one of your recent videos amd forget to mention lol. Thanks for the video - Loco! (P.s I am called Sam too!)
Thank you! And that's very interesting - I'd never noticed that before! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Well done Sam. That’s an absolutely fair review and the right thing to do. Confidence fully restored!
Thanks so much mate, appreciate it! :D
After watching this I checked the gauge on an unused second hand 64xx I've had for a couple of weeks.
Dreadful runner, inconsistent speed, slowed on corners, wouldn't run under 70%.
I'd cleaned everything, set the pickups etc but no luck.
Took the body off to check the gauging more easily and it was only then that I finally registered the DCC chip that had been staring me in the face for a fortnight 😂.
Blanking plate purchased and she now runs like a dream.
So thank you for sort of solving my problem😂
Ahh fantastic - glad you were able to fix that - I remember being stumped by the same thing when I first learned about DCC, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam just wanted to say love your reviews I’m from Birmingham originally now in Canada . Building a large layout and before I buy a loco I check your reviews. Honest and fare !
Thanks so much Chris - that sounds awesome, what sort of layout are you building??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thank you Sam I love the quick episodes O would love to see a re-reveiw of the hornby pacer
Thank you! haha okay, I'll look into that! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Greeting from the USA! I notice that the center driving axle wheels are flanged on this model which prevent it from making the smaller radius curves. Most models I've seen in the American market with more than two driving axles typically have blind wheels without flanges on the center most axles to allow negotiation through tight turns. I'm not sure if such a small variation in gauging should affect turning that drastically or how much blind drive wheels are used on models in the UK market. The model could just be made for wider curves, I'm not familiar with UK model railroading standards, but in the US the model's minimum turning radius is usually printed on the box which, if you haven't, might be something to check.
Thanks for sharing! All models like this have flanged wheels in the UK - even huge 2-8-0s, so it’s definitely not that! But yes, a small difference in gauging would make or break it!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I have 4965 Rood Ashton Hall and it runs fine on DCC with the weight removed with 8 heavy Bachmann MK1s behind it
Okay so now to all doubting Sam's reviews either get a second opinion before you trash it, or pay close attention, he's trying to give us the best advice he can.
Well put
haha thank you - I'm not perfect and will make mistakes, but I'll always be honest!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I own a Bachmann Modified Hall and it's practically the same only with the detail differences that Hawksworth did to the Collett design. As for the weight on the chassis, removing it won't effect the power since I located another weight tucked in the smokebox and the running board with be diecast. Also, I think the Hornby version decided to steal some traction tyres to make it act more powerful than the Bachmann ones without you looking.
Very interesting - thanks a lot for sharing, I was wondering whether the modified hall was any different! Nope - no traction tyres on Hornby's model ;)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Look at the bright side; u can double-head them without worry of the torque and speed differences, and even have a good reason to do it too!
haha that's true actually, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You might want to check the front bogie wheels
Yeah that's true actually - could do that too! :D
@@SamsTrains with some points the front bogie could pull a terrier derailment
I got my class 57/3 sorted but it still needs renumbering and nameplates that correspond to the running no. as I bid on but was unsuccessful on some 57 thunderbird nameplates
Ahh sorry to hear that - hope you can find what you need soon!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Heljan: Lets make crap locos!
Bachmann: Step aside and watch a pro at work.
haha!! I think Heljan still make the better crap locos ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
hi sam, another great video again! should i get the bachmann hall?
It's up to you - price is everything - at less than £80, they're okay! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Bachmann: “now that’s how you run a railroad”
Also Bachmann: sells cheaply made models that have bad in them for very expensive
haha yeah - a very funny catchphrase! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yeah, if I want a OO/HO hall class (Not to mention that I don't have ANY OO/HO tender engines) I'll see if Hornby ships models to the US, and excepts American currency...
true
@@the_autism_express I think Hatton’s ships to the US
@@the_autism_express I am buying from Hattons and Rail of Sheffield as main providers, and I am living in France. They would ship to the US and take USD without problem.
You also can have a second bank account with a Visa card to change your money cheaply to GBP and pay internationnaly. I do that with a Revolut account (smartphone needed), but you have other on-line banks that can provide you such a service.
Today, in the second-hand section of my local model centre, I saw a Bachmann Modified Hall with the number 6969.
Made me think of you!
haha nice!! That's good to hear! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What possible reason is there to still use a 3 pole motor. 5 pole run smoother. Better crawl, better over points etc. Especially for a big loco like this. Little difference in cost. Or have I missed something?
8:16 the rod on top of the piston thing is lifting up and down
Yeah I noticed that too - I was very careful not to put that back properly during my teardown - pretty sure I didn't cause that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A light scrape with sandpaper to the wheels I find does give some engines grip.
It also removes the plating on the wheels, also makes scratches in them which means the electrical contact will suffer over time.
@@Poliss95 sorry im used to all wheel pick up
Thanks Ryan! I'd be worried about ruining the wheel surface - if you scratch them up, they'll attract dirt! But I bet you're right, they would pull better!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Try finding a Hornby railroad hall at the present time. It appears they are sold out and are no longer on Hornby's website.
Yeah they are - fingers crossed they do more!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Can you make a video on how to start a hornby layout
Sure! I have one - look up 'getting started on model railways'
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The gauging issue is very annoying, I have an old mainline class 03 shunter and the front axle is 0.2mm off. I found a key issue was that going over points with the out of gauge axle first was that upon making contact with the frogs it springs it off the track, derailing it sending it between the two tracks. Very annoying that but may be interesting to see how your Halls perform on points.
Yeah it's very annoying - and don't get me started with Mainline, they're terrible for it, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Wasn’t expecting a video on Friday, thought it was gonna be on Saturday or something. But oh well, at least we got a new video from you today that I can watch! :P
haha yeah, little bonus for you! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review! I like the tiny tinge of weathering, not too much, not too little!
Thanks mate! Yeah, the weathering wasn't bad at all! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam I really enjoy your honest opinion on products. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much Damien, glad to hear that mate! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Got one as a present found it eventually failing due to worn milled grooves I am actually going to rebuild it with a comet model chassis with Bush bearings with high level gearbox and modify to use original parts
What's your view on rebuilding old models
Also plan on give a chassis from southeastern finecast for a n class body and tender I bought for £35
Wow! That's a fascinating proposition - please do keep me updated on the progress! Should be very interesting indeed to see if you can produce a better running model!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I will Once my finances are more stable next month but the n class Is first on list and the hall will be on when I feel like as I may not be able to use original parts due to previous repairs although another future upgrade to all of my Bachmann locos would be to get a small milling machine and mill the grooves to fit a brass square U section to act as a Bush
Hi Sam. Would locos like this benefit from being powered by a feedback controller for tight curves and gradients, or would that just overload the motor? As this loco does not have a coreless motor, I suspect not. However, your advice here would be beneficial. Thanks, Pete.
To be honest I have several Bachmann locos. They all work fine. The hill is obviously a gearing difference as you say the Hornby runs slower for the same voltage. Not defending Bachmann but how much is the equivalent railway range from Hornby?
Sure, these work fine for now, but their mechanisms are objectively poor (with the exception of their latest steamers!) The Hornby equivalents are similarly priced, except they have much better mechanisms!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Maybe you can buy a back to back gauge and try to fix the gauge on these engines? Then see if they don't do what they're doing now?
Yeah it is fixable, not a nice job though!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam. Is there a chart somewhere which explains the correct wheel gauging for the locos. I'm beginning to think I need to check some of mine. Also if they are out of gauge how do you or can you correct it.?
Hey Gordon - I know that the gauge should be 14.4mm, but I'm not certain what the effect of them being 14.7mm would be; it's only 0.3mm after all! What is true is that Hornby's are quite reliably at 14.4mm +/- 0.05mm, and their models work pretty well! Locos can be re-gauged, but it's a devil of a process, and very easy to cock up... even I'm not comfortable with it... not something I'd really recommend!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Its a pretty straightforward but EXTREMELY delicate process... I've done it on a lot of diesels but I've never had to with steam, thank god
Bachmann at their usual tricks again! Does shock me how they think they can get away with this sort of thing... And 700th comment!
Good lord, the bottom of Gordons hill is a perfect storm for this model, 90 degree RH curve into a reverse curve. With the weight of the train on the whole curve and all the drag that entails, its a good place to test! I have found with Bachmann models that the haulage does improve with age, and it seems down to the wheel blackening material. The more it wears off the better they are, and that holds true for their (Farish) N gauge models as well. The wheel back to backs will have an effect on the sideways play in the wheelsets, wide to gauge will naturally have a bit more play in it, and an excess I have found can cause the wheels to interfere with the side rods and inside of the splashers (and walshaerts valve gear) that can add a bit more friction into the mechanism as it negotiates curves. In worse case scenarios I have on occasion had walshaerts valve gear completely bind due to tight clearances on the valve gear and excess play in the wheels, both from Hornby and Bachmann, and even more commonly on Graham Farish N Gauge models. I think in this models case however, the main issue appears to be the high gearing sapping torque from the motor with the gauging a side issue that doesn't help matters. I've checked over my worst offender, a Bachmann 4F which derails on anything tighter than 3rd radius because its so wide to gauge (14.81mm on the leading wheelset, 14.6 centre, 14.65 rear) that the wheels rub the inside of the splashers as it goes into a curve and literally forces itself off the track. I need to find my old wheel press methinks and see how it behaves with the leading wheelset bringing down to 14.6mm!
haha it certainly is - it's a nasty one, but most models handle it perfectly! Thanks a lot for sharing this - yes you're right about that!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice honest review, with no creeping. Thanks, you have saved me wasting my money.
haha thanks Paul - no creeping from me these days, it makes me cringe! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm here after Bachmann's new spring 2021 announcements (and after buying a Hornby hall), where they announced that these are 185 pounds now. Oof.
Looks like they have a new tender, but if they were to upgrade it mechanically speaking they usually put a 21 pin decoder socket in as well, which the new one does not.
At least they don't have the oversized lamp irons anymore though!
Thanks for sharing mate, yeah I was looking into that - I wonder if they have a better mechanism than mine?? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My fascination for your videos is on a rise with every passing day. These little railways look so amazing. Why don't you build a locomotive all by yourself??? You can obviously give that a try you know besides the ready-made ones :D BTW I'm from India and love your videos very much. May you reach the 100K mark soon here because that's what you deserve Sam...!!
That's fantastic to hear!! I think you've overestimated my skill by a long way - I don't think I could build a loco by myself!! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains You yourself have a video where you were testing model railway's speeds and there you had built something kind of loco with propellers and motors and as an Electronics engineer I was fascinated by the idea!!! Hence the suggestion!!!
Whatever be it, you're doing a great job & continue doing it and entertaining us!!!
I must congratulate you on setting out and proving your point. With after seeing three models two off which are modern all exactly the same hopefully the naysayers will see that you are one of the few people who actually researches and gives the most honest review and opinion on any model reviewed with no freebies too boot.
You have a back to back tool in your tool kit, can you not try to set them correctly to see if it makes any difference.
Thanks very much Rob - it makes it all worthwhile to read comments like that! My B2B is a 14.5mm one, I think i'd need to buy a 14.4 before I tried that!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
hey sam, a few videos ago I asked what your new controller is, and you replied saying a video on it is coming. WELL I'M STILL WAITING!!!
Sorry Sam - it is coming November 2nd - pencil the date in! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I hope it’s better than last time!
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@@SamsTrains you ok Sam?
Thanks Sam for the review of the new/old version, it's disappointing to see there is no improvement, and also 'to boot' that the wheel axles are not squared.
It's a pleasure - disappointing but not surprising!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I don’t have any Hornby. Though I do like it along with Bachman’s American locos
Glad to hear that mate! :D
Can the locos get re-guaged? I know people did that with real life locomotives.
Yeah you can re-gauge them, but it's a horrible process - I hate doing it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Well I am glad that my locos are all BR NE region with the occasional visitor from BR LM region. Having spent a year working in model railway retail I must admit I am rather sceptical of model railway companies this time around compared with my early adventure to the hobby in the eighties. Whilst they now drive the market place as oppose to the other way around with the limited edition modelling, you would have thought that they would have looked after the customers better as they surely realise they have almost a monopoly. So is it really back to what we did in the early eighties taking what we would now consider a Railroad model and super detail it and fit the D.C.C. ourselves upgrading the motor from 3 pole to 5 pole. Maybe the personal satisfaction level would be great and we would not be going through the constant buying and selling of locos that is more prevalent today!
Thanks for sharing Bill - I think your scepticism is completely justified, haha! Their practices don't make much sense to me either... oh well... I'm sure they're doing very nicely for themselves!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Thank you Sam, I wonder if the big boys will grasp what the market place thinks about them and start to change. However normally I am not a sceptic and I am usually a positive person, it is time to go back to the old adage if it is British it is well engineered.
i remember watching you sam and i lost your channel and i forgot the name but i have found you back in my recommended
Ooh awesome - glad to have found you again!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Bought a brand new DCC fitted Bachmann Hall in 2010 for £68. The same model as the ones you have tested. It runs smoothly on DCC but like you said limited in what it can pull uphill. How can Bachmann justify increasing price to £165 with only the addition of etched name plates.
Wow, so they've much more than doubled the price in 10 years?! Absolutely shocking!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam, what's your opinion on MTH Trains closing down in 2021?
I don't know much about them, but it's a pity that they're not able to sell the business or keep it alive in some way :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks Sam for another good and honest review. I don't buy anything until I have see your review. Even though this is not the best of locos they still have their uses. I bought a non-runner for £18 and put in in a half bricked up tunnel (Henry), just for a laugh.
"It's a pants puller!" Therein lies a new Tee-shirt slogan. :D
Ahh I should pay you for these, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam. Another good informative video. This is a total disregard for Bachmanns customers. Instead of stating new tooling on their models, they would be more accurate using a new term on their products. Something like disappointment now included in the new price. Your videos serve as an excellent way of warning potential customers of some of the ripoff prices for what you actually get. I was a Bachmann fan until I saw this, and I hope Bachmann don't sell many of these locomotives. I have enjoyed the video as I always do. Keep up your excellent work. Cheers Chris.
Thanks a lot Chris! Bachmann didn't claim it was a new tool - they just continue to produce it in their range today with that huge price tag! The video thumbnail was intended to show that this wasn't a new tooling, despite the expectation! Many thanks for the kind words - can't believe they don't either sell these for less, or make some much-needed improvements!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains hi Sam. My apologies for misunderstanding the meaning of the thumbnail at the beginning. your video did prove that Bachmann are ripping their customers off. Cheers Chris.
Very interesting, thanks for doing the work.
No problem - it had to be done!
Wish Hornby still had the Hall in their range today in either GWR or BR Livery. Hopefully in 2021 they will bring them back! If they do I will probably get a couple if they are selling them for the prices that they where previously selling them at.
How is this for an idea: they bring back the old Tri-ang Caledonian single wheeler into their railroad range with a modern version of the CR blue livery. They would basically be printing money for themselves at that point I think.
Yeah me too, besides the Hogwarts engine of course! The Caledonian would be great to see again, fingers crossed for it!! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
I find it a bit strange that Bachmann doesn't put the decoder in the tender on their British locomotives. From what I've seen they have been putting DCC and pickups in the tenders of most, if not all of their US steamers.
Keep up the great work Sam.
Yeah! Most of their models do use the tender, but a few like this one still don't - silly basic stuff!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Can the new Bachmann use some help from a 1966 Marklin V200 060 diesel? ( and still pull like crazy with the original motor)
darn, i totally forgotten to take and send you the promised pictures of the V188 WW-2 railgun puller. My bad....
haha good idea - and no worries mate, I'd love to see them! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
the hall class had just under the amount of traction effort of a rebuilt west country at 27,715 for west country rebuilt and 27,275 for the hall
Wow - so this should have been much stronger then?!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
13:22 schools class?
haha, it'd been a long day! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hmm.. Very strange Sam. I have both a Bachmann Hall (4965 Rood Ashton Hall) and the Railroad Hall (4901 Adderley Hall). From what I can see on my layout they both perform as well as each other. I don't know if it's because my Bachmann Hall is somehow different because it's split from a train pack (The Shakespeare Express), but that seems unlikely. What I can tell you is that the running board is diecast (like with yours) and the strange inaccuracies like the enormous lamp brackets are present on my own too. What do you think, it mine just a rare good performer and I got lucky?
Thanks for sharing mate - what are your curve radius and inclines like? Mine are okay on the flat!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains My layout is fairly short, so mostly flat, although there is a very slight climb past the Signal Box. It never seems to struggle on this, even with 6 or more coaches. The radii are 2nd radius (inside line) and 3rd Radius (Outside Line). The gradient seems more pronounced on the outside line. Hopefully that helps!
Great video Sam in my opinion I think it looks okay but there is no reason why both can’t be ran on the same layout
In my opinion this needs to stop because in the end it is just a locomotive and when it is running you can barely see any difference between them
Thanks David! That's okay though - it's okay that there's no difference between them - that's what I was trying to prove! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I wasn’t getting at you Sam I was mainly saying what I said because everyone else says that the more detailed versions are better every time
Another review of loco just to make sure everything is done proper justice.
i am well impressed there, not even all journalists do that much.
Not being actual train model enthusiast i do not know so ill ask: re-gaging was mentioned before (in previous videos i watched around these parts), but those wheels do not look like you can easily do this. Are they friction fitted and/or will it be fixable?
I immediately went to assume that wheels and axis are one chunk of metal but that dose not quite make sense as that would probably be too complex shape. So other ways to make it stick together is just have the wheel have friction fit on axis or barrings (which has been mentioned is not the case here).
Glad this video exists just on principle of creator trying their best to be fair to the model, it shows remarkable care they take to try and be as neutral as possible.
You're very kind mate - I felt I had to do it. They're friction fitted, but very firmly - it's a nightmare to budge them, and very easy to mess it up, I don't like doing it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
is it posible to swap the chassis with the hornby one?
if it is you'll have a good looking model and a good running model
even though this is unacceptable bachmann should check their toolings and chassis before producing them
but its not like hornby never did anything wrong
i guess they had a bad day when designing this
haha it's a good question - I'll have to look into that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm lost for words Sam, thanks to you, we mere mortals are able to make informed decisions as to which models are worth investing your hard earned money on....Great work young man...Bob
Bless you Bob, that's my pleasure - worth the money to read a comment like this!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains My pleasure Sam, it's a wonderful service you provide.
Would you recommend the hornby hall over the bachmann? I suppose one can always improve the detailing on the hornby but the bachmann requires reengineering!
Overall I would! Bachmann's decoration/finish is much better... otherwise, Hornby win in every category!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’m not familiar with what it means to gauge a loco... well, I mean, I know about the different gauges, oo, n, etc, but I don’t know the gauging that you are referring to in this case.
I might do a video on gauging then - thanks for the comment! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’m working on my own model train layout but we haven’t had much time to work on it :(
Awhh! Hope you get some time soon! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Now I’m not expecting Hornby quality mechanism now I never expect that from any other companies, I’m not even expecting hattons or Oxford quality but for the love of god is asking for the basic mechanism design features really that much
haha you are right - and it really does make a difference to the performance too!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey I can actually hear wearing from the “new” hall too.
Can you?! Where abouts?!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains
Well you can hear it slightly in the beginning of the performance but you better: from 11:49-13:19
It’s too bad Bachmann haven’t upgraded this model, it looks fantastic 😢. Do you remember if you tried the GWR one on DCC by chance? I’m just wondering if the performance was better on DCC
Thank you for the review on the Bachmann Hall, which I had considered buying, not now. Not good mechanism at all. Incidentally how steep is you hill?
No problem David - not one I'd really recommend! I've never been able to measure it, but it's not very steep at all!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A very good review there Sam unfortunately I am unable to lipread. Can you please include captions as people like me are very deaf and find it difficult to follow.
The automatic subtitles aren't too bad. They get some things wrong, but I've seen a lot worse.
The voice recognition seems to like Sam's clear diction. :-)
@@Poliss95 Hi whilst I agree with your comments regarding subtitles non were showing for Sam's trains. This is the case for the last few video's
Thanks Denis - apologies for that! My videos are usually uploaded and scheduled long before release, which gives the subtitling time to process. These last two videos were uploaded shortly before release, so they haven't processed yet. The subtitles should be working soon, if not already! If I had the time to sit and do them, or could afford to pay someone to do it, I'd have subtitles on all my stuff - really sorry about that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Question: what is a tender pickup?
Electrical contacts to the tender wheels which are connected to the loco by wires. This means that if the loco might stop on the plastic dead zone on points, the motor will still be getting power from the tender.
@@Poliss95 Thx, I've been wondering for a while.
Thanks a lot for explaining BP - appreciate that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam Nice review, I can't believe that they can take an old one and call it New, and at a price , makes the mind boggle , Thanks All the Best Brian 🤗
Thanks Brian - I can't believe it either, crazy indeed!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ah yes Sam, it was the Pacific Loco's video you made a few months ago. Also, what did the mystery Loco's you ran in a running session have in common? I never figured it out! xD
I think it was inside cylinders - I forget though, my memory is terrible! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam I have noticed Diesel hasn’t been around for a while now...
I know!! Hold on for later today! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Do you check the rails as well....is there a standard ie points, radius curves and their larger radii ?
Track standards. www.doubleogauge.com/standards/commercialtrack.htm
Thanks for posting this - yes indeed, there are standards!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
So my take away is, if I have a slight hill on my layout & want to pull six coaches with a bachmann hall, I need to buy three of em to triple head it XD
haha basically, and a total monster of a controller of course! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Well done Sam for proving a point..i will continue to purchase the much cheaper and better running models from Hornby.Like i have said before i purchased this Hornby Adderley Hall for £50-£60 from Hattons two years ago,and it still runs great today :)
Thanks a lot Michael - I think that's a good idea - can't beat Adderly!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Is the Mainline one any better..?
By my understanding you paid extra for the same class you already have. The only new tool is the cab and packaging I rather spend my money on a Hornby Mallard in the premium range. I send my condolences 🙂🙂
Yeah I did - I knew what I was doing though - I just wanted to clear up any ambiguity I'd created!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Are we still getting another video tomorrow?
Yes!
Now, I'm a bit nervous about my Bachmann 4-4-0 and 4-6-0s...
haha yeah, many of them aren't up to much sadly! Just keep them clean and serviced, and you should be okay!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Out of curiosity, would it be feasible to fit one of the cheap Chinese 5 pole motors you buy in it, if you where to put the worm gear onto it? Not sure if the dimensions n what not would stop that
Not really - they don't fit unfortunately - Bachmann seem to use their own motor design, which makes that very difficult :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains damn, that's a real shame that, great in-depth review though!
Can you review the Hornby flying Scotsman Australia tour model?
I would love to - they sound fantastic! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
When did Bachmann start skimping on their motors? I've got a v1 from the mid 90s with a great motor, flywheel and all. i find it hard to believe they couldn't have fit whatever was in that into a tender engine with a large boiler like this.
I'd not expected the latest issue to be improved, but at least now i know just how insulting the RRP actually is, consistent theme with bachmann I've noticed.
I'm not sure they ever started skimping, they just continue to use the same old design, despite newer, cheaper, and better ones now being available! Yes, very insulting indeed! :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
goes to show the slightest millimetre out of gauge makes a big difference. I'm wondering Sam, is the gauging issue repairable such as on the Bachmann Halls and the beautiful Dapol Terrier? Or are those locos unfortunately stuck on it?
Yeah I think so - shows how sensitive all this is! Yeah it's repairable, but it's a nasty thing to attempt - I wouldn't really recommend it :/
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Well Sam, that certainly justified the increase in cost. I just love the price of model railroading. Don’t you?
No. Neither do I. Great video. Thanks.
I certainly do John - such a huge pleasure to spend all my hard earned cash in these ways!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Old Bachmann Hall Class and New “retooled” Bachmann Hall Class: No bearings and slows down on curves.
Hornby Olton Hall (Hogwarts Castle or Hogwarts Express): We’ll see about this, Bearing-oo Install-lum!
(Hornby crew install bearings in the Hornby Hall and Olton Hall’s axles by a “Harry Potter style” spell)
haha! Hornby's is better (and runs better) but it doesn't actually have bearings either - not one of their best, but still better than Bachmann's! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looks like a cool loco but I need some cheap good quality detailed rolling stock for oo do u recommend any company's? If so tell me
Hmmm, check out those Aliexpress wagons I showed - they were pretty cheap!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)