A People's History Of Haiti w/ Pascal Robert
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- It is difficult to understand what is currently happening in Haiti, without knowing its full history. Pascal Roberts gives us an overview of how Haiti went from the most valuable of French colonies to the second republic in the western hemisphere.
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Pascal Roberts: Basically do you understand the situation relative to Haiti is to put Haiti's revolutionary independence struggle that started in 1791 in the context of its proximity to the US history. When the Haitian revolution started in 1791 George Washington was president of the United States. So we have to understand in relative relativity to these two factors that the importance of Haiti to the development of the United States in the 19th century and even after its initial founding was very very important. Because prior to Haiti's independence the republic was called Saint-Domingue, under the auspices of control of the French. Haiti was the colony was actually more valuable to the French than all 13 colonies were that were of value to the British because the trade-in sugar particularly sugar coffee tobacco but particularly sugar and rum made it one of if not the most valuable colonies in the slave plantation system that existed in the western hemisphere. So one of the things you have to understand as well is that contrary to this in the consciousness of a lot of people who look at slavery in the American context as being so brutal so horrible, the French plantation system in Haiti was absolutely egregious. If any of you I'm sure you guys have read Black Jacobins, which is a book I have some issues with for various problems, they would do things like bury slaves and sand and put molasses on their heads and have maggots and ants eat at their face they will put the gun powder in the anal orifices of Africans who were rebellious that literally had them explode. The type of tortures that the French would engage in with the African plantations Africans, on the plantation, was absolutely brutal beyond words. So much so that the average life expectancy of an African slave who was brought to the island as a young adult or an adult would be no more than five to seven years. So, in other words, you bring an 18-year-old African slave to Haiti at best he's going to live to maybe what 25 26 and he's going to die. And one of the reasons why the French did not care about that is if you read actually french writings they would say things like "the shores of Africa are always generous". they basically believed that they could just keep coming in and importing and importing and importing more and more Africans and if they died like flies it didn't make a difference that was fine. so much so that in several of the other colonies because of the rebellious nature of these Africans on these plantations were a little bit leery of ex importing such large numbers which did affect some of the American united states at a certain point in terms of its attitude towards importing Africans. so what basically happens is that in 1791 a group of mostly African slaves have a ceremony that is known as Haitian ceremonies where they basically created a united front religiously some of them were animists or Buddhists some of them were Muslim and they basically came together and decided to unify the various religious diversity that they would have had on the African continent in a kind of spiritual pact to join together to fight the French plantation owners. So they started after they had that ceremony a week later they met they started savagely just burning and killing European plantation or French plantation owners by the hundreds it kills like a couple of thousands within a week. So this this violence starts to expand and expand and expand and it's basically just guerrilla warfare. And what happens is that because the island was so valuable the French have competitors in this exploit. Don't forget the other half of the island which is now the Dominican Republic is controlled by the Spanish.
One of the best videos I’ve ever watched. Please do more historical contextualization
*I’m Haitian and I didn’t know a lot of what is said here- Thanks Pascal*
I am Haitian & I grew up knowing everything he just said
Check out “The Black Jacobins”. It’s a good start.
@@malkitzedek4361 , I had to find it on my own.
Holy shit Pascal is a giant. That was Amazing
They really should be doing peoples history segments.
Maybe the most fascinating clip I've ever watched on RUclips
That was impressive. I wish my history teachers were as good as Pascal Roberts.
His a probably read a lot of. Books that is a commitemnt you can do that too if u want history is fun to read
They aren't allowed to be.
The most I learned about Haiti in HS was it was a slave revolt and they brutally murdered the white French land owners. After taking over the land, former slaves formed a nation and had a series of failures governing the nation.
The implication being Haiti would have been better a white run slave colony.
@Blaire Sovereign
California😂
He'd be considered and CRT teacher and therefore be banned.
This was very engaging, this guy has a great passion for this history and has clearly done a lot of reading on it
Haiti is still being punished for having the audacity to free themselves from slavery.
how?
@@Gilly63 did you not watch 2nd half of the video? That's literally what is covered in the 2nd half of the video.
@@davidisrael9799 Yeah I did, he rails against the Haitian oligarchy while supporting the hundreds of millions in FORIEGN AID especially from the United States in the past couple decades. When haiti started out they were targeted for racism and fucked up payments to France, but that has nothing to do with what's going on today. He is literally railing agianst the current political framework in haiti, not some emotional argument that countries are still punishing them TO THIS DAY as the OP stated for revolution 200 years ago thats just not true
EDIT: the poverty in haiti actually is affected by past lack of economic engagement because of racism, but for multiple decades now have been recieving massive amounts of support without actually have a good govt to wield the money responsibly.
Also forgot to mention how absolutely stupid it is to assert that the US greenlit an assasination in Haiti In 2021
Thx for saying it been saying that since a young jit! Why do you think they don't make a movie on it because it will free the minds of alot of brothers ! I have black american friens who never even heard of yhe haitian revolution
This is why Sam is so good of a long-form interviewer... he asks a simple question, and lets the guests speak freely for the most part.
Some of this history was skimmed over in school, (only in my French class, not history/social studies, so students who didn’t take French never learned it). But there was never this much of a deep dive into it, so most people who blame Haiti for its poverty don’t realize that they were shackled with reparations to France until world war 2, which is insane. Wealth accumulates over generations not just in individual families, but also in entire countries. So constant disruptions make it nearly impossible to accumulate wealth.
The history that they don't teach you in school. I'm half European (and half Asian) and I grew up partly in France and this part of French history was very rarely taught. Plus it seems to me that Haiti is still paying for daring to free themselves from slavery. 😪
They actually aren't that ended in the 1940's with payments to France. IF you actually listened you'd realise Pascal states the hundreds of millions in aide is being mismanaged by an elite class of HAITIAN politicians and oligarchs. So the US is sending HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN AIDE, but we are still somehow still making them pay for the revolution? Zero logic in your statement just pure emotion. instead of actually listening to the modern prescription that the govt needs to be changed and reorganized toward the people. HE LITERALLY BLAMES THE HAITIAN GOVT FOR CURRENT ECONOMIC AUSTERITY BY CAVING TO FOREIGN NEOLIBS such as Venezuala
@@Gilly63
making someone pay doesn't always require money......
@@tonyolo4591 so how are they making them pay then? Ypu can't defend a claim with zero argument. Cause it seems yall implying the modern capitalist countries orchestrated this assasination which is stupid af
@@Gilly63
I honestly don't give a damn who did it(the assassination).
nor do I care for educating you.....I say "educating" because if you need someone to walk you through all of the ways to make someone pay, you should definitely "pay" a teacher for that kind of thing. I will give you a hint though. there are at least 2 definitions under the word pay,....it's the one that doesn't involve money.
@@tonyolo4591 once again implying that western powers are behind this assasination. Get out of your bubble dawg
This is so fascinating, thank you for having him on to give this history. Love this type of segment!!!
Fun fact: Toussaint L'Ouverture was a General in the French, Spanish and Haitian Armies, and is believed to be one of or the only person to have accomplished this.
Captivating storytelling. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time.
Now I've got to go learn something about The Black Jacobins.
Wow! A lot of complicated history in a matter of minutes!
This was amazing conversation with Pascal Roberts
Thanks for doing a video like this!
I watch this once every week, waiting for Pascal to publish his book already PASCAL CAN YOU HEAR ME?
Free Haiti 🇭🇹
They've been free?
@@Gilly63 "Free" is when you have US-backed coups, and the more coups there are, the freer you are.
@@Junebug89 which US back coups arr affecting Haiti today
I have watched the show in a while but I remember why I love Sam so much because you get this rich history and understanding from the interview and then you get the dirt in the fun half
I'm Dominican but this documentary was awesome very informative.
This video was fanfuckingtastic, thankyou. I love real history that's less romanticized....less whitewashed. Great video.
I've never experienced racism so openly than when I visited the Dominican Republic, even tour guides were openly racist it was disturbing
YOUR THEORY IS FUCKING 💯REAL BROTHER OH SHIT🤔 THAT WAS SOME SHIT. I FUCKING LOVE IT. TRUE STORY...TO BE CONTINUED🙏🏿
14:45 Fun fact: Napoleon planned that after defeating the revolutionaries in Haiti he would raise an army of Haitians composed mostly of blacks and mulattoes and former rebels and use them to carve out an empire in North America.
This would've resulted in thousands of black French soldiers maybe ending up fighting in North America and many slaves defecting to the French side or escaping to French territory
More Pascal Robert guest-spots on MR please!!!
Today, the two lower class are just one, and the mix race European-Africans have ruled the country for centuries. I am Dominican, and it is well known to us that in Haití you are either poor or ridiculously rich.
Still better than being a Haitian in the DR though.
this guy is awesome
Holy shit, I was just deeply educated.
thank you for this
Left is best. Loved this interview.
The largest unit of soldiers of African descent who fought in the American Revolution was the “Les Chasseurs Volontaires de Saint Domingue” from Haiti. This regiment consisted of free men who volunteered for a campaign to capture Savannah, Georgia from the British in 1779.
Henri Christophe, a later leader in the Haitian Revolution and head of state is believed to have taken part in the battle as a drummer.
After gaining independence Haiti provided vital assistance to Simon Bolivar's revolutionary army in the fight for independence in South America
RESPECT
Very interesting ....Thank you.
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Great history lesson, that you don't hear in school etc.. without sugar coating it either the way it was and the same thing happens today within our people one has formal education etc.. and think they're better than everyone else. Wish more history was told like this. 😃👍🏼
Justice for Haiti.
More of that! Very interesting history. You should have more experts on about our national neighbors!
Great telling!
Excellent interview. More people need to learn this so more people know Haiti deserves reparations & more from Europe & America
Incredible history to that country. Does anyone know how their military was so effective? Beating UK and France in early 19th century is no small feat.
Probably many factors, but knowing the territory and having more skin in the game were even more important with that era's technology
Yellow fever did most of the work. From Wikipedia: "The main British force for the conquest of Saint-Domingue under General Charles Grey (...) set sail from Portsmouth on 26 November 1793 (...) Ultimately, of Grey's 7,000 men, about 5,000 were to die of yellow fever".
awesome!
16:30: Louisiana purchase.
Wax'd them fools. I love it. Very insightful.
Those poor people
Of Haiti 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤
excellent
Remember Sans Souci!
Mach-Hommy brought me here.
Haitian slave revolt - 1791, second amendment ratified - 1791.
Wasn't the only reason, but a major concern indeed, especially to the Southerners but still even to the Northerners who feared their factory workers outnumbering them and as such "well regulated militia" was specifically defined as "well-regulated by the Government of the States"
A comment for our algorithmic lords.
American interests: "Coke (Neocons) and Pepsi (Neolibs) fighting it out. And at the end of the day, they're $till our guy$"
As much as I hate the British Imperialism of my country I am glad that it's wasn't the French.
There was 3 “main” classes, but like 130 different classifications.
true, true
Very interesting personal point of view of the history of Haiti and the United States. I usually only hear the Slaves were mean/savage to the good French people version. I hope the country is done paying reparations to France.
Aww sam Coke and pepsi battling it out, and at the end of the day we still get diabetes. C'mon brother.
American public schools do an incredible disservice to their students by leaving out all this context in American history.
I know Pascal is talking in context to US history, but a side note should be aside from America being one of the biggest beneficiaries of the Haitian revolution, among the biggest losers is the Colony and people of Quebec. Had Napoleons plans gone thru, French Canadians would’ve been able to reclaim the Terri it had lost to the British and would every well have gone on to colonize the rest of what’s now Canada if not the entire North American continent.
The "losers" you're talking about are other colonizers who did equally terrible things to native Americans as the things discussed here. The losers are the colonized peoples, not the outcompeted colonizers.
@@sayeedkizuk5822 lol, don’t get me wrong white French Canadians can be as cruel and racist as any other colonial European group, I just wanted to add a bit of a larger context to what Robert was saying. I’m from Quebec and this period of history between 1759 to 1812 is looked at as when France turned its back on its North American colonial holdings and essentially “betrayed” its people because the British soon took power and French Canadians were basically 2nd class citizens until the quiet revolutions of the 1960s.
Wow.
Amazing. Clips like this demonstrate how pathetic an education of history most of us get in the US.
I find that there can be a bit of fetishization of Haiti and its revolution within Left discourse; good to hear, then, a comprehensive dive into its prickly dynamics. There are many books on Haiti, but a recent work I would recommend is Chelsea Stieber's 'Haiti’s Paper War,' in which, among other things, she points out that before Haiti was a republic, it was an empire under Dessalines’s authoritarianism.
Haiti an empire ? like the US that invades, destroys countries, commits genicide, takes resources, practices slavery and that kind of shit? Who did they enslave btw?
@@antoniosarmientoluna6497 Of course Haiti wasn't an 'empire' per se, but the point being made is that it was _imperial_ under Dessalines. With regard to who they enslaved. No one, however, I haven't claimed otherwise so I don't know what your point is.
The Black Jacobins by CLR James. Heavily researched and cites numerous official sources
@@curtisthomas2670 That's the work that everyone cites, and it's one of the reasons why there's fetishization.
I don't disagree with anything politically. Just want to point out: average doesn't mean maximum
class division- true
The French Revolution showed the promise of liberalism. The Haitian Revolution showed that it was a lie.
vive Duvalier!!!
Weren't the majority of British losses from the fever?
I'm surprised he didn't mention yellow fever, or the 1804 massacre and its role in America's south.
"Creole" is not even a language of us, The Haitian People. We only have one language. Our language is French.
Funny how he jumps over the Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic and the massacre of Dominicans starting the hostility between the two countries to this day...
@Mike Dessal how is he going talk about Haitian military expansion and the effects it has to this day skip over the unfavorable parts... thats like talking about German military expansions and it results today and skiping over WW2... come on bro...
When has that been important 😂. He even said that the Spanish came in the Island like they didn’t had the 80% of the territory.
@Mike Dessal he mentions United States , France and England and goes into details for all, even goes into trivia level stuff like the Louisiana territory and napoleon but some how skips over all the historical facts like Haiti taking over the same island of Hispaniola he mentions in the video several times since that paints Haiti In a negative light and because it isn't convinent to the narrative he trying to portray (of Haiti always being a victim to international interference), how you going to talk about a country history and skip all of the unsavory stuff ??? Is intellectually dishonest. I'm going to talk about the history of the south and skip over the Civil War and never mentioning slavery....
If you still don't see it you are being idk what else to tell you other than you are being purposely ignorant as well....
@Mike Dessal when you have 15% of the Haitian population living in the DR how is DR not part of Haiti's problem ? There's a huge refugee and humanitarian crisis going on at the border right this moment. Out of all the issues choosing to skip that one doesn't sit right with me. This is coming Dominican with Haitian decent
Lol 😂 in 1822 there was no masacre anyone reading go read it the Dominicans claim when we came we killed them to control the East but it’s revisionism on their part their ancestors offered to unite with us look it up
Is this where we paint Toussaint Louverture and Jean-Jacques Dessalines as great men ?
Greater than Washington & Napoleon for sure. They've accomplished greater political & military feat.
@@malkitzedek4361 Washington maybe, but definitely not Napoleon
@@LouisKing995 definitely Napoleon also. If it wasn't for Toussaint & Dessalines, you'd be speaking french walking around saying oui oui right now.
Fun fact: Napoleon planned that after defeating the revolutionaries in Haiti he would raise an army of Haitians composed mostly of blacks and mulattoes and former rebels and use them to carve out an empire in North America.
So there would've been a powerful black army on the North American continent
Who is the guy speaking about the Ayitian Revolution? There no Mention of Muslims in the revolution he just add. Also every professor who thinks they know about the Ayitian culture always start the revolution in 1791. The Caribbean island always had pockets of resistance the Tainos. The Tainos taught many ppl in bondage (african) Poison methods, herbal treatments to heal themselves and where to hide in the mountains. Everyone in Caribbean’s in the need to pay homage to the Tainos because they are the ppl who started the revolution. But you never hear how Anna Corona sacrifice herself because of the cause and her son Henrique was killed too. We ( Ayitian) need to long look in the mirror of accountability. Since 1986 the country has made a straight dive into the abyss of chaos. But no in the Ayiti is pointing to the real wolf in sheep clothing. We (Ayitian) cannot keep saying the same thing for over 225 years outside forces France, US, etc it’s Ayitian no one else to blame. The presidential guards are the same ethnicity as the president who was assassinated let’s just say it the guards took money over morality.
Since 1986?! Lol the country was in its decent since we took our independence the whole world and establishment put us on a list as rebellious blacks who dared defeat important people and just transfered the power to light skinned people to keep the systemic racsicm and control going! And the tainos died off befor the revolution neg maron we're the ones in the woods and we we remember cecil fatiman who was the one who woke our ancestors up to fight back