This GIANT Electric Mining Truck Charges in Under 30 minutes!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Fortescue, one of the world's largest iron ore producers - a critical material for steel, magnets, batteries, and fertilizers - has pledged to achieve net-zero emissions by 2030. To achieve this hugely ambitious goal, they enlisted the expertise of the Fortescue WAE engineers (formerly Williams Advanced Engineering) in Oxfordshire. The team were tasked with electrifying Fortescue's massive 221-tonne payload haul trucks, which are now being outfitted with mind-bogglingly big 1.4 MWh batteries. We visited their prototype facility to discover how they're doing it! @fullychargedshow @EverythingElectricShow
00:00 221 Tonne Mining Trucks in Oxfordshire
00:54 Track to Truck!
01:51 Fortescue
03:49 Battery Build
04:20 1.4 MWh Battery
05:31 Pit Lane to Mining Pit...
06:34 Hot temperatures, shocks, vibrations and pot holes
08:31 Battery safety..
09:00 Charging speed?
10:56 Infinity Train!
11:46 Two worlds colliding
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I have a massive respect for companies like Fortescue in which they tackle these problems early with really good engineering! And thank you Fully Charged Team for showing these because it makes me more optimistic!
It just a gimmick .. for "green image" purpose ... Electric heavy machinery/tractors is not a feasible technology ..
@@kebeleteeek4227 What knowledge do you have about the detailed economics and engineering involved?
@@Goggleboxing I have simple question : How to recharge these heavy tractors in remote places .. mining sites .. ? .. Build power grids first ..?? ..LOL ... Bringing in diesel generators ..?? ...LOL .. Build multi acres solar cells farms first ...?? LOL ... DoI need to become EV professor first to ask these simple questions ??
@@kebeleteeek4227 😆👌
Yep, you obviously know what the bloke is.
However the ore wagons down hill to port loaded back to pit empty, I will let him take that win😄👍
@@0Aus Ore transportation from hill down to port is only small part of earth extraction process ... and not all situation the same ..
As a mining truck driver of 28 years, I’d love to have drive of one of these. It would be quieter I’d imagine ( I wear hearing protection in diesel) and I’d not be breathing in diesel fumes which can happen even though I try to avoid.
Soon these will be Ai so your fired hahahaha just think a new battery for this will be millions to replace
I drive fork trucks to load. Had bin driving everi types imaginable. I chose an employer with electric if i can. They are much much nicer to work with.
@@curtisducati So you believe these will become so popular that they will be improved to replace his job. In saying this you are saying you believe EVs are the future.
@@curtisducatiYou seem very well informed. (Not)
Perhaps you can calculate the number of millions it will cost your great grandkids to buy dinner if climate change is allowed to go unchecked?
Or maybe that's no concern of yours?
@curtisducati A lot of places are already going autonomous, separate of them being EV.
I would think a decent chunk of the cost of these batteries will be in the housings and BMS. So when the battery needs replacing I'm sure they will rebuild they packs with new cells, not just buy a whole new pack. Just like what already happens with every major component on mining equipment.
It's not like the engines that won't be needed anymore are that cheap to begin with. At a site I've been at somebody forgot an o-ring inside an engine oil filter during an engine oil change. That o-ring destroyed the engine when it made it into the oil gallery for the crankshaft bearings. We were told that o-ring cost the company 1.3 million Australian dollars.
Those trucks will need atleast 3 or 4 engine change outs during their life. Maybe more with low hour failures.
Some of those engines are advertised as being able to burn 1 million gallons (3.8 million litres) of fuel between rebuilds, so there is potential to save a lot of money in fuel if they get get a decent amount of the electricity from solar.
Just the other day I said to someone who drives a big diesel truck that “these will be the last vehicles to be electrified”. I stand corrected.
My guess is long distance air planes and large, long distance cargo ships. I don't know what sort of energy density batteries will need to have to be able to cover those 2 (and cost per kWh), but I think there is a way to go.
Atleast with mining they never really travel far from home, so are never too far from a charger. Plus it's in an area the mining company has control over, so don't have to rely on public charging ect.
I am curious how much thought they put into swappable batteries and why they didn't do it.
@@patrickbeck4062 Think how long the swap would take compared to what they've achieved with the fast charge turnaround. Also the licensing on-sale of the technologies they are developing... Any large scale, large capacity (mobile) application. Remote location operations with long lifetimes in service. These peeps are thinking smart.
@@patrickbeck4062 Swappable batteries don't make sense on very large (HUGE) vehicles because they could actually cost too much time. Moving a 1.4mwh battery around is no quick swap. If you even did it as fast as the Nio battery swaps you'd still be talking at least 10 minutes for the actually battery swap process to which you have to add aligning the vehicle with the swapping rig and attaching and detaching any necessary connections or safety devices. Just think of what happened when the Byford Dolphin imploded because safety protocols weren't completed properly due to faulty equipment and/or human error. No a quarry truck won't implode, but huge amounts of electricity could end up going where they aren't supposed to. The point is that it would all take time to do, extra investment to build in and more large weights to be throwing around. And the process could still take 20-30 minutes so you wouldn't have saved much time for a lot of extra consideration and effort. Plugging huge power supplies into a huge machine works for the current electric ferry in Norway and allows it to top up between journeys without delays. Simpler is always better. And don't forget two other major issues: i) with battery swaps you have to have spare batteries sitting around. So instead of having 10 ten trucks with ten batteries you'll need an extra 10 spare batteries ready to go; ii) you'll still have to charge the spare batteries anyway. Might as well roll a truck up to the charger and top up in about the same time as the swap process would take anyway.
@@patrickbeck4062 Yeah, I don't think long-range airplanes will ever be battery-powered - but that _may_ eventually be the rare case for hydrogen fuel cell electric power. Either way, you're right that it'll take awhile. And of course they've also spent a lot of time and money trying to get GMO algae to produce kerosene at scale, so who knows, maybe that will eventually pay off and jet airplanes won't have to get new engines (electric or otherwise) at all.
As for cargo ships, if I were to wager on how they eventually become carbon neutral, I think I'd go with a liquid fuel such as ammonia, rather than electricity. Perhaps augmented with wind power from sails or kites.
@@trevorberridge6079 Not to mention how much power it would require to charge a 1.4 mwh battery in 10 minutes. It would require a large electric power substation next to the battery unit to charge.
In Norway excavators in the city are electric now. The battery last half a day and its charged during lunch hour.
what a joke
@@mpokoraa You certainly are.
@@Wilem35 I ain't no joke I have a PhD in excavators
Yep, charge with diesel generators. At least that what they do where i live in Norway. Producing noise pollution the whole night
@@mpokoraa I saw in a documentary on a national tv channel, am I not to believe it? If it is not possible then please explain. Please explain also how a private company invests millions in electrical equipment without doing the math as to its usefulness, rentability and longetivity.
Have been lucky enough to work for Fortescue >13 years. Incredible ambition within the business to go fully green. The workforce are really backing this vison, determined to demonstrate that a heavy polluting mining company can do Real Zero Carbon Emissions, not NET Zero of any offsets. Also not mentioned in the video is Fortescues aim to produce 15Mt of green hydrogen (likely green ammonia) by 2035. Will require many Terra Watts (TW) of green energy generation, coupled with a purpose built vertically integrated PEM electrolysers factory in Queensland. Exciting times ahead. asx: FMG
> _"Have been lucky enough to work for Fortescue >13 years."_
yeah mate, you and a lot of other people making comments it seems.
@@roidroid cry more.
@@roidroid Really, because he's the only one I've seen. About half of the comments or more have been negative.
@@darrens3 gottem! God i rememeber when i was 3 yrs old.
no... i don't.
The problem with creating any kind of hydrogen using electricity is that you have to crack the 25% return barrier. If you use 1mwh of electric energy to create hydrogen you will normally get only 250gwh of end use energy from the resulting hydrogen. They have to crack that issue for it to be worth the protracted process of creating green energy to produce electricity to split hydrogen that is then supposed to produce green power. I'm sure they will, but it's not likely to happen any time soon and it won't likely be as efficient as directly using electricity at an average 85% return.
Diesel electric hauling trucks have been in mining for decades so electronics and electric motors have been thoroughly tested. So what has to be proven in the field are the batteries and the charging infrastructure
S African gold mines, to east of Jo'burg, used diesel shunters at least a mile deep through the main galleries.
The exhaust was fed to water tanks bolted to the side frames to collect the particulates.
The fumes were sucked away by the ventilation system, which was so powerful it could have your wig off even a mile deep.
Also the vents sucked the hot air out.
On the western side of Jo'burg the gold mines are over two miles deep and much hotter ( known as the western deeps). Diesel shunters worked down there too.
Electric motors are used in all kind of industries for ages now. There are a lot companies which already show that charging works. It works in cars but also in much bigger vehicles such as electric ferries for cars. For instance the electric ferry “Suloey”.
Also these trucks can recharge partially when going downhill (I assume that diesel motors lose diesel even when going downhill and are using up their brakepads)
diesel series hybrid with trolley wires is definitely the current tech solution mining emissions
though the fuel usage is *only* reduced by 90% while connected to the trolley wires, so even if all of your haul roads are electrified, youre only reducing emissions by maybe 80%
which is pretty great
You need better batteries to make this work the technology isn’t here yet
@@user-my6qk3bt4m
Hmm ... your point about batteries raises the question that if batteries were used to power locos mines then if there was a fire in a battery pack then you might well find nasty gases throughout the drives, galleries etc.
Piling on the Armageddon thing what if the ventilation system brought the nasty gasses to the surface? Or if the ventilation system shut down altogether?
I dare say mines might be one place you wouldn't want to employ hydrogen powered anything.
I would suggest the ventilation system in itself might do an excellent job of combining hydrogen, if leaked, and air (plus naturally occurring methane?) into an explosive mix.
Can't see that going down too well.
I can't believe how many people find it necessary to post negative comments here. First they complained that the mining was done with diesel. Now they complain that it isn't. Guess some people are just angry at everything. Can't we just be nice instead?
I'm all for being sustainable, but when something is using 100'000 large cells you need to take a step back and think about that. There is a lot of waste and brutal, eventually catastrophic amount of mining consequences to make than many lithium cells. Diesel and other combustion fuels are not the answer either. Perhaps they need to think of these huge construction site vehicles more like trains and street cars. Lay some track grid down when then commit to an area and travel these massive vehicles down electrified tracks. Or maybe compressed air engines, I've seen videos from the 1990s of compressed air working in a variety of work vehicle applications. There's probably many other possibilities to use stored energy and I think something much smarter could be done. Government push to use lithium batteries is another recycling and environmental disaster waiting to happen. Its all about making money, not the environment.
@@practicalguy973 You are absolutely right. There are likely many better solutions than this. Honestly everyone forgets that we used to learn reduce, reuse, recycle. Everyone heard recycle, but it is the lowest of the three. In reality consuming less is the best. But I was just referring to the two faced nature of so many complainers. They take both sides of the same argument, saying in one breath that EVs are inferior because the materials are mined with diesel equipment, but in the next that when you build EV mining equipment that it is terrible. Not a sound argument. Same thing from a guy I saw that was saying EVs are terrible because the depreciate so bad, then saying that a used petrol Maserati was a great bargain because it was so much cheaper than when it was new, aka depreciation.
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects You have a good attitude and are open minded about solutions. I find that most people are either ICE or EV and will argue for one or the other with little compromise. Seems to me that politics has really divided and trained people to be as divisive as they are nowadays. Not many that sit in the middle ground and try to see the benefits on both sides.
@@practicalguy973 Thanks. Sounds like you live up to your handle, practical guy. The reality is each piece of equipment has advantages and disadvantages. But people want to take sides like it's all or none with most. Has more to do with politics than logic. Glad to talk to someone sensible!
Toys grow up too. Imagine that when you were a kid you needed four battery cells to your truck. When you grow up you need hundred thousand cells.
these videos are pure comedy ... yep
@@the1beard Why did you watch! You must be the clown 🤡😂😂😂😂
@@raymondschembri5042
I enjoy watching COMEDY SHOWS this one was proper hilarious
@raymondschemb
The reason why such videos are watched is mainly for entertainment value.
Nobody takes half the guff we see and hear on this platform, and others, seriously.
We see amiable old characters telling us all sorts of facts and figures. Occasionally we get an extra treat when Robert or Imogen or even dear old Quentin host a discussion with a guest who is picked to do the confirmation bias thing.
Quentin even does the statement affirmation thing after every point the guest comments on.
The danger for Robert and cronies lies in that a lot of the audience are far better qualified than themselves.
To hear Imogen declare some inefficient homebrew storage radiators were "super efficient" for no other reason than it was in her script was laughable.
Imogen is interested in her career, ditto Jack, so will present their heads off as required.
It's left for the audience to question the validity of the "facts" they present ... there's certainly no attempt at balance at all.
Eventually, at one of the Q&A sessions seen at these global events someone will ask about why Robert is careful not to mention hydrogen fuel, in a fuel cell or modified head ICE unit.
It is going to be both interesting and amusing, if not totally entertaining, to hear Robert respond.
Robert will know immediately he's been set up and will have immense difficulty in formulating a believable response.
Believable to "us", not himself.
@@t1n4444
100% agree they are useful tools serving the narative ..
The comedy is EPIC
Andrew Forrest and Fortescue mining are leading the way to change the way we mine and at least reduce as much pollution as we can getting these minerals out if the ground. Should be applauded for committing so much to this and other projects. 🇦🇺👍
lol if you say so mate. Real Australians beg to differ - about the value of multinational mining giants - who's lobbyists take over government.
They're only "Green" in as much as it green-washes their money. These mining giants care about nothing but ensuring their future profit & power.
Want to do something useful? How about your rein in your "Liberal party of Australia"?
Yes, YOUR Liberal party. Your industry's main political outlet. At this stage i don't think anyone is confused about which tail wags which dog.
Interesting,
Not sure fortescue and leading the way go in the same sentence. lol
Yep he has a couple of ventures working to save money.
As for the projects suggesting going green 😏
It's obviously fooling some in the crowd.
Did he hug you to?😄
It is easy to make everything electric. You dont need to make electric trucks. We have an electric trains. You dont need electric buses there are troley buses. This goes on and on. Everithing is already there. We just refuse to change things. This truck is one of the final things. Loveli.
Na isn't electric drive line exists diesel electric not battery storage electric. And not only isn't it easy it won't work.
No easy feat by any means. Great to see the engineers take on such a massive undertaking. Bravo WAE!
Nope, not easy. Has taken huge teams of dreamers, S&^% spinners, people lobbying getting grants to build it, Armies assembling that 1000,000 cell battery pack. Yep, a real feat in wasting time.
Electric is nothing new in heavy machinery. Think our diesel spewing trains. It is actually an electric motor drive charged by a diesel ICE generator(alternator like on an ICE car) Battery tech is the game of the century and I have no doubt in mankinds ingenuity.
I just love the combination of technical content, with Imogen getting her head around the issues, and the production skills of walks to camera that perfectly match the speech to arrival at destination. How many takes were required?! 👏👏
Excellent cinematography.
Another good review. Thank you.
If memory serves correctly, I think Nikki from Transport Evolved walked around this facility several months ago. The big thing mentioned then was the incredible amount of regen braking during the downhill run, almost charges the battery on the way down.
I'd imagine it takes a significant amount of energy to transport that haul back up as well.
@@CAPOCAPIt depends on the site layout. If the mine is up high and the load is being carried down hill to a depot, then the regen is more than enough to power the empty truck up the hill.
The concept was tested successfully at a mine in 2018.
The truck was completely charged by regen and they had enough surplus energy to charge a lot of equipment at the depot.
These trucks are already electric the diesel is used to generate the power to drive the electric motors
Considering most mines are 24/7 operations it will be interesting to see if the batteries can handle the regen used for braking
Have you looked at Edison motors in Canada yet? They are also working on a hybrid logging truck.
This proves that anything is possible with the right people behind it..
You could power an entire neighborhood with the amount of electricity this thing uses. Lmao
How much does it use?
Same is true of the diesel ones.
That battery output is not even close 😅
Mines use a lot of electricity...
@@kstorm889 Mines doesn't.
It would interesting to get an accountant to see how much of FMG actual bottom line goes into the project and how much is actually paid by Australian Tax payers in grants for green power transition given out by the various government bodies or Tax refunds . It would be nice if all those proposed solar panels were manufactured in Australia .
From Barbie pink dress to Ewok welding suit; no-one can accuse Imogen of being sartorially typecast. I bet her house growing up had a massive dress-ups box . . . .
Would have been nice to compare the EV with the Diesel version, like how long does it take to fill up the tank, run times and weight difference. Good episode though, Imogen smiling when putting on the glasses and jacket, priceless.
Some mines use EV large trucks like that … and never need to charge them. Mines where they haul things downhill, the vehicle is heavy when going downhill, so it charges through regenerative braking enough to drive back to the top of the hill empty for the next load.
And one thing about mining vehicles, they don’t tend to have any “road weight” regulations, so even if the battery weighs an extra 10,000 pounds, it doesn’t matter, they just make the vehicle weigh 10,000 pounds more. (Unlike road tractor-trailer combos that have weight limits, so adding 10,000 pounds of batteries means 10,000 pounds less cargo; although at least in the USA, they are allowed to ignore the weight of the battery, so a truck-trailer combo normally limited to 80,000 pounds - with a 10,000 pound battery can weigh 90,000 pounds. A la the Tesla Semi.)
What needs to be reported is cost. What the mining operation will save by moving to electricity generated on site vs. diesel that has to be continuously trucked in to operate an ICE system.
Yes, I think the comparisons weren't shown for a good reason.
Why compare to obsolete technology? The decision has been made to go to zero carbon solutions. The only comparisons needed will be at the low level technical decisions around which IGFETS to use and which battery chemistry suits which applications. This is the detail I’d like to see, but they’ll be claiming it’s the “special sauce”, the IP, where WAE’s value is, they’re not doing this for love, there’s value to their owners, improved efficiency making their iron ore more competitive, making the shareholders more wonga.
@@bobwallace9753 it's a prototype, which always cost more. Even at serial production they will cost more to build than diesel. Question is how many years it takes for the lower operating cost to offset the higher build cost. The companies are literally pulling the energy out of thin air.
Impressive!
Imagine a all electrical mining camp in space
Fantastic to know that the mining industry is pushing forward with their electrification. It is no doubt a tough challenge, particularly the charging at each end point of the routes is a challenge! But I have no doubt these challenges will be overcome!
Mining equipment has been electrified for years now.. just not BEV's most of their monster equipment and drills run giant umbilical cards that are plugged into switch stacks which draws power directly from the grid..
It would have been interesting to know more about the charging infrastructure. This thing will need a 3000+-kva charger to pump that power in that quickly. That suit she wore is an arc flash suit for actuating contactors--it'll make the difference between an open casket funeral and a nice urn next to a photo, should the worst happen. And contactors like that tend not to like many cycles.
Never mind if the batteries all dumped that energy quickly--could take out the better part of a city block.
Luckily mines have a lot of power. If a truck was charging at 3MW ar our mine, it wouldnt be a blip on the screen.
Great visionary work being done by this young startup mining company. They were early adopters of autonomous mining trucks now they've gone electric too. Bravo.
They're not a start up, the owner is a billionaire from mining boom.
Did some early test and measurement of this prototype truck a while back. Great to see the progress made and it up and running now. It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out over the next few years.
Getting rid of the diesel genset will make it a lot less fatiguing to operate too!
Realy I like this biggest machines
The very low cost of solar energy these days make such projects infinitely feasible. In the longer term, bye, bye diesel.
Just have to shut the mine down at night, early morning and afternoon.
@@Robert-cu9bmNot hesrd of battery megapacks then?
@@Robert-cu9bmThere's a huge solar station near where I live with 1/3 of panels facing east, 1/3 west and 1/3 south so there goes your theory of morning and afternoon without solar power. The greatest part of the night the consumption is very little but usually there's wind or hydro anyways.
@@Robert-cu9bm one fortescue mine is already saving 100 million litres of diesel a year by running solar through the day , then they can run gas late at night . Roi was just 2 years . The infinity train will save even more .
@@chrisward5626
🤣... Yeah sure they are.
100milion litres of fuel save is 300million kWh needed to replace that.
300gwh
"Risen Energy (Australia) is developing the 132 MWdc Merredin Solar Farm approximately 260km east of Perth in Western Australia’s Central Wheatbelt region. Merredin Solar Farm is the largest solar farm committed to construction in Western Australia and once connected, will have an expected output of 281GWh of electricity annually, generating enough energy to power approximately 42,000 Western Australian homes."
This wouldn't even replace that amount of fuel.
Thanks for the great video! Looking at it I thought of another extremely large mine that is already fully electrified and which could maybe constitute an interesting topic for fully charged: LKAB iron mine in Kiruna, Sweden.
Great content, beautiful and talented presenter.
I think mining companies will do whatever is cheapest and most reliable. The environmental benefits are just a convenient pr piece. Either way it is a win.
I recall that Fortescue had terminated the project to build the large solar and wind generation plant in the Pilbara at the end of last year.
I recall their plans to move away from gas and diesel for that operation requires between 2-3 GW of energy - not insubstantial! I’m interested to see what the current plan is for that but can’t find much info.
Nice to hear, nice to see. However what will be the power consumption with PTO on?!
If you're griping about this, you may have inhaled too much diesel exhaust..
Complainers argue as if today’s tech is as good as it’s going to get.
There are always unhappy people out there who can only feel good by trying to treat others down.
Amazing how a pair of (any ) glasses add a couple of hundred to Imogen’s IQ not to mention the beauty!
Wow that's awesome to see the trucks are going electric. Great episode!
Nope, one truck has gone electric. This will not eventuate at all in ANY scale for MANY years. If not over a decade.
Awesome stuff! Thanks for the great journalism on electrification ❤
Diesel or Hydrogen electric hybrid makes so much more sense and is so much better for the environment when you really add it all up.
Makes me wonder if Fortescue thought about battery swapping on those trucks? While they are working, a bank of batteries are charging up at a slightly slower rate than the fast charge, but the swap takes less time than charging would.
Mining equipment manufacture Sandvik makes underground battery electric mining trucks that use battery swapping technology. The swap time is about 5 minutes.
That's what I want to know. I've been thinking about that since 7 or so years ago while I was working at a Fortescue site (was there for 5 and half years).
I was doing an engine change out on one of the large CAT trucks (793F) with another mechanic, and we were waiting for a crane, so had time to talk. We were thinking about how you could make a battery electric one. It seemed obvious to us that you would just put the battery where the engine is (engine with torque converter in that truck is around 12.5 tonne) and have the battery and radiator as a module that would have channels in the base of the frame, so you can pull up to a battery bay instead of a fuel bay, and have it autonomously set up to remove the module and swap in new one. Then you can charge that battery over a few hours or more (depending on how many extra batteries you have), so you don't have to try and charge at 3 plus mega watts, while the truck is sitting for half hour plus. Slow consistent charging of extra batteries also seems like it would be better suited to making use of solar generation during the day.
I'm sure it would be difficult to make sure there's is always a good, safe electrical connection (trucks are always covered in dust and a lot of mud and baked on dirt once it has rained), plus making the battery hold done mechanism reliable, but it still seems to me like it would be the way to go until battery energy improves a lot.
Do they use litium or natrium?
Surely you'd make swapable battery packs, and use the packs as the grid storage. Lacked a little detail - how many volts was it? How long does it last? Are the trucks brand new or can these be swapped to existing?
See? it can be done!
Fascinating episode. Good for Fortescue.
a company called JANUS in Australia is doing exactly the same thing by converting existing heavy diesel highway trucks and their batteries look just like that, very impressive what they have done. NO charging required with their system, batteries get swapped by a forklift driver in ONE MINUTE when the truck pulls into the station and they are on the road again, faster than fueling up!
We all know Janus, they're famous for the cement truck fire on the bridge..........and the prototype at their own site. Waiting for their next update.
More than one has burst into flames while out working lol
It'll save them a fortune on Diesel and engine maintenance.
Camera and cut seems a bit off this time. Do you have new staff? 😅
I want to see the massive connectors on this thing to charge it! Surely not CCS! 😂
Let's see... did she say the truck had 1.4 MWh of batteries? And a 30 minute charge time?
Let's assume they're charging from 15% to 85%, which is to say, 70% of the total capacity, or roughly 1 MWh.
The rate of 1 MWh/half hour = 2 MWh/hour, or 2 MW. The amount of output from several thousand solar panels in bright sunlight. (And in that part of Australia, I bet _every day_ has bright sunlight.)
Now, 2 MW sounds like a lot, and it is, but I note that CCS type 1 has a theoretical limit of something like 500 or 600 kW. So you could actually pull this off with only about 4 CCS-1 cables per vehicle stall. (Of course, this being England and Australia, it would be CCS type 2, but offhand I don't know the limits of CCS type 2, even approximately.)
Can't wait to see your test drive
Fairly sure any negative comments are diesel truck manufacturing workers :) This things awesome, nothing cooler than a bunch of nerds playing with big toys.
Lots of noise too, vrum vrum, just like children.
@@Ernst12 First, there are already battery recycling plants where just shy of 100% of the battery components are recycled. If there's profit to be made someone will take the opportunity. Second, what proof do you have that fast charging degrades batteries to, say, half their normal life? There are Telsas with several hundreds of thousands of kms that have always been fast charged. They might loose some percentage of life but it is not significant. Electrification is here to stay and while not free of polluting it is several times less polluting than burning millions of gallons of oil. Neither oil nor the oxygen needed for combustion will last forever.
That’s not realistic saying it can recharge in 30 minutes
Recharge from where? Diesel or Gas fired electrical power
So you generate electricity using diesel or gas and then charge the truck using diesel or gas fired electrical generators
No gain at all!!!
@@antoniocruz8083 you are so naive to the facts.
Where do you think the electricity used to charge the truck comes from ????
It comes from diesel or LNG fired power stations
There is zero benefit because the fuel used to drive the electrical generators could have been used to drive the truck itself
Also you may not know but haul trucks have been electric since the 1970s
They run a big diesel powered generator on board haul trucks - right now - all over the world
This video is a stupid publicity stunt.
@@antoniocruz8083I call bullshit on just shy of 100% of battery recyclable
That’s rubbish especially if you have to put more energy in!!
you know that battery fire is going to be exciting
I have dought on this because battery is very heavy and low capacity this will just run may an hour or more maybe a electric Diesel way untill new and better battery technology is invented
Superb !! Keep up the content !!
" driving through a meter deep pot hole"
nice to know the truck can just about cope with any uk B road then😅😅
Woow .. so between 10 to 20x less energy than a proper truck. Woow. Fyi cat 797 3790l and cat 797b 6810l that is roughly eq to 11mwh and 20mwh @30% eff. As someone was saying "future my arse!". It is not impossible, just "genius"! Impressive! Bravo! Have you guys not heard of napkins, coasters and such to do simple multiplications and see what grade of "genius" some of the ideas are before implementing them?
Totally brilliant, thank you
The whole tyhing with going electric is that we do not want every body swapping at once, we need a steady update to the grid and charging options as more people go electric. This is fantastic to see that even the huge mining trucks are starting to move to battery technology, that is also improving all the time, whereas ICE has reached it's end of refinement.
The day will be here where fuel prices for ICE will keep increasing whereas electricity will become cheaper as more wind and solar come online, along with the battery storage.
Just use ethanol and biodiesel plants combined with PV and wind turbines to produce fuel. No need to scrap all those cars with internal combustion engines. Just be reasonable.
@@1MCfocus1 Seems a lot of effort and cost. Just use the elctricity and probably a lot less of it and save having to create the bio diesel.
But they can do it but costs will be far higher and I do wonder when fuel is 50p per mile and electricity 1p. This will make a decision for a lot more people.
@@Jaw0lf Electricity is a lot of cost - infrastructure and batteries aint cheap and getting more and more expensive. Destilery is not expensive. PV isn't either. Be real.
@@1MCfocus1 Lol, EV batteries have dropped in price by 50% over the past year. The grid is paid for by all who use it.
Batteries have been used as part of a huge storage successfully in Australia and many other places. Far cheaper than building a new power station. More PV and wind farms keep coming on line and this will make it cheaper and cheaper to own and run an EV.
@@Jaw0lf EV sales droped almost to 0.
Love this stuff 👍
Trying to determine if Imogen actually does look like that one british actress ive seen in all the movies or if I just think that because they both have british accents 🤷♂️
lol. the battery powered excavator has a power cord.
Novel idea. Where is your charger? Cuts down on on load capacity. Many charging stations are using clean hydrogen. There are fleets of Hydrogen trucks already in Queensland.
This truck needs a 3 Megawatt charger to charge in 30 minutes. I'm guessing they will be thin on the ground.
Indeed. And I wonder what voltage it runs at. They didn't actually tell us, but I guess it's more that the usual 800V to keep currents vaguely sane. Maybe 1500V and 1900A? Can you do 3kV and 1000A? It is certainly proper engineering. I'm not actually sure what the engineering limits here are. Maybe contactors is the thing that limits pack voltage?
How many do YOU need?
Or multiple smaller charges. It isn't new to divide up the onboard batteries in to manageable sizes. Electric ferrys, tugboats, tesla semi....
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I don't need any.
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Yes I've seen that suggested for EV's but the idea that people could hog two charging outlets to the detriment of others that may only require one seems a non-starter to me.
What an amazing insight. Ironically this is on my doorstep and I didn't know about it.
As I am leaving my role in the RAF after 15 years I am going to see what jobs they have on offer.
1.4 MWh seems a bit small, that would be about 5% the weight of the vehicle.
Yeah. I would think atleast 2.5Mwh would be much more useful. And would still need recharging every 3.5 hours or so, I'm guessing. But atleast then it could last between breaks, and then until between shifts, so if they could still do a half hour charge they wouldn't have much more down time than a truck with a driver.
Maybe it isn't driving out of a deep hole, maybe it is transporting on fairly level ground or even from a mountain top down to a processing plant, then it could be enough for a shift. Or maybe they just filled the space left by the engine and generator and couldn't fit more. If it was designed from the start to be an EV with 25-30% of the weight being battery then 5-7 MWh would be my guess.
@@zapfanzapfan If it drives down from a mountain to deliver material to a processing plant it might not require charging at all, as it could use the potential energy of the material with regen braking to charge up the batteries for the way back up again.
@@speckkatze Did you read what wrote in the reply above? Yes, that is used in a Swiss quarry.
@@zapfanzapfan there is no reply where you said it could live of just regen braking, or at least youtube isnt showing me one.
I thought a mining truck had already been created that fully recharged on its way back down into the mine.
Hi Dave, I think you might be referring to the mining truck in Switzerland which operates in a very specific geographic area. It climbs up a mountain track to a quarry high above the cement works it supplies. So it goes up empty and comes down full. It generates far more energy from regenerative braking on the way down when fully loaded then it does to climb up when it is empty. That excess power is fed into the grid.
www.greencarreports.com/news/1124478_world-s-largest-ev-never-has-to-be-recharged
Interesting I have recently traveled through the Himalayas…. A number of communities go up and down and they have an excess of water. They could very easily load up a bladder with water regen going down dump the water at the bottom…. Pretty sure they could almost do it without charging??
The greater the variety of electrics the better, keeps people busy, and out of trouble doing something constructive !
Anglo American mining have done this in South Africa
The ev trucks can offset the emissions from twiggy's $98m private jet
It would have been great if there was a EV vs Diesel truck side by side comparison.
Example, how long would a 1.4mwh charge last in "normal" use in the mine. How much battery degrades during fast charging (30 min charging is fast charging). How much operational time is lost per vehicle while waiting to charge as compared to diesel trucks. Carrying capacity, speed, reliability, temperature ,etc.
All very good questions. Which can only be answered by being at the mine. Which is incredibly remote and very expensive to get to. We operate on a truly miniscule budget but even with all those restrictions I intend to get to the mine in 2025 and actually see these monsters in action.
But all your questions miss out one critical, massive issue.
The diesel doesn't come down from the sky, it has to be drilled, extracted, transported by ship, the dirtiest 40% of all global shipping, refined and then transported to the remote location, all of which has a massive, global impact that is always helpful ignored by the very powerful, wealthy and hugely influential fossil fuel industry.
@@fullychargedshowObviously ask them all the questions about the mining equipment, but don't forget to also ask about how much diesel they use to run the rest of the mine. Like processing, dewatering, workshops, and the thousands of air conditioners between the mine and campsite that run 24/7/365 etc.
About 8 ish years ago when I was still at a Forteque site, they had one of the dewatering guys come and do an update at one of our Mobile Maintenance workshop meetings. He told us how much fuel they had used for the year (might have even been just 1 quarter). I wish I could remember the number exactly, but it was well into the millions of litres of diesel, just to pump water around site and out of pits so they don't flood. It was a shocking amount of fuel, I had to check I was looking at the right thing on the PowerPoint.
Many of the pump stations scattered around site are a diesel generator powering an electric pump. Seemed to me like one of the many places to atleast partially power with solar.
Also, make sure you come in the hottest week of summer and while the flies are out, to get the peak Pilbara experience haha
Great presentation!
As long as the battery packs are easily replaceable so the maintenance people can do a changeover at some stage a reasonable idea. With early adopters of EV vehicles well aware of the need for battery pack replacement once over a certain mileage the pitfalls of EV vehicles should be noted.
Hybrid vehicles are making a sales comeback for many good reasons including longevity and reduced emmisions and much better fuel economy.
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This is the technology that will drive the new companies that replace the current earthmoving equipment companies such as John Deere, Caterpillar Tractor, Hoyt-Clagwell Etc. None of these companies have made any serious moves into electrification of their entire fleets. They will loose and disappear just as passenger shipping and rail disappeared when aviation came into the norm.
Thanks Imogen 😉
Amazing, Bat Trees store electricity. I thought one used batteries. (bat ter rees)
Interesting, they are not going for Hydrogen but electric and batteries. And other Australian mining companies do the same. In the end it comes down to energy efficiency and simplicity. And better efficiency means lower cost.
I very much appreciate Imogen's enthusiasm for PPE
I just adore Imogen's delivery style. She has all the style and Grace of Judith Hann, one of Tomorrow's Worlds longest serving and most accomplished presenters.
And this technology might extend to producing a continuous supply of nacent Hydrogen for reducing Iron Ore, or some other metal ores too.
Just store the hydrogen. That should be cheaper than batteries.
@@placeholdername0000Nope, hydrogen is objectively more expensive than using batteries and electricity
@@TimJW wrong its not, we have been developping much better hydrogen storage capabilities to change the game too.
@@TimJW Not when you need hydrogen for the production process.
The host 😍
Twiggy is just as greedy as all the other mining magnates but his drive for green steel and mining is not just a contrived PR stunt. He realises the economics of hinging your entire business on fossil fuels is a guaranteed loss long term. You install 500Mw of solar power and the price of that energy is fixed for the life of the system, which will last 20 years with minimal maintenance, and solar is dirt cheap.
if he starts FIGHTING AGAINST the other mining magnates in a PR war that counters all of their pro-fossil-fuel propaganda - stopping it before it spreads, like he actually cares beyond his quarterly profit margin, THEN i'll believe that.
A very informative and well presented presentation. Young lady the Highlander.😊
I guess the cells come from China or I'm wrong
Another great video, this is where electrification really comes to play 😊❤
Green tech improves itself.
The more we adopt green generation and electrification, the greener it gets to build green generation and electrification.
This is incredible
Surely a mining truck is totally different to a racing car? One needs to keep going for 10-15 hours per day, where every minute of downtime costs a lot of money, whereas a racing car needs to provide lots of power for a pretty short time.
Dave Rawlins didn't sound very convincing. He didn't even sound like he convinced himself.
I can imagine regenerative charging going down into the mine pit would return some energy, but they still won't keep going for long.
Still, it's a start. At least they are trying.
More like 20 hours a day if there are no breakdowns, as pretty much every minesite like this runs 24/7. If it's an autonomous truck with no breakdowns it could operate pretty much the whole day minus refueling.
It would take 30+ windmills to recharge this truck once.
1 would be enough.
Congressman Ralph Norman needs to be shown this truck cause he doesn't believe battery electric dump trucks exist.
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
You do realize this is a prototype and years from production, right?
He will soon as we will be making them there(CONUS) as well.
Thanks, that was one of the best videos you've done in terms of an interesting topic.
When he said about testing for a metre deep pothole, my first thought was "you could do that testing on Surrey roads...."
It a shame to another great British company sold to a foreign company.
Please explain how the battery integrates with the rest of the drive system. I presume the battery powers hydraulic motors so pumps hydraulic fluid rather than direct drive to electric motors on the axles. It is interesting to hear about another battery installation but as a mechanical engineer I want to also know about the whole system. Thanks.
It will be for both the traction motors and motors to drive hydraulic pumps.
I'm pretty sure the traction motor will be similar to diesel electric versions that already exist, where they are built into the rear wheel ends with a planetary drive. The also have separate motors direct drive to the hydraulic pumps. This should be the same, just with a battery supplying the electricity instead of an alternator.
As someone who works on these machines in that area of Western Australia (I have mostly only worked on the mechanical drive versions, not too much of the diesel electrics). I would also like alot more technical details.
@EdisonMotors is tackling the heavy trucking side of this.
Best option is what they're doing
Negatives likely coming from oil industry mouth pieces.
Electrification of trains with regen would definitely be the go, I’ve seen them in the Pilbara makes sense
I thought I saw a video about a truck like this about 4 years ago, it was recharging by going down the pit?
Another great video!
Why don't use use small nuclear generator or hydrogen as a fuel it's pretty hard to recycle the battery paks
Pls review the Toyota Bz3!!!!!
Thank you. Infinity Train is great. You are doing a show on this? If not, Engineering with Rosie has one.