$17,000 PC from 1990: IBM PS/2 Model 90 XP 486
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- Опубликовано: 11 янв 2018
- The beast of a retro computer system was a powerhouse 486 machine in its day and cost an absurd amount of money when it was new. And I'm using it to play SkiFree. This is LGR.
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i loved turning on my jet engine of a computer late at night then shifting into 6th gear and flying through the wall by pressing the turbo button
didnt the turbo button actually slow the system down to have better compatibility with games and programs? or am i completely wrong lol
PC masterrace!
Armyboy89 So maybe it was already pushed in, and he pushed it to go off, bringing the speed back :)
Dick Trickle I added like 5 unnecessary fans to my computer for nostalgia...
I remember friend having computer with LCD-display for CPU clockspeed. I recall pressing turbon button gave maximum CPU clock to that machine. Can´t recall for sure :).
Omg! That beautiful, beautiful sound. For that kinda money, it better be loud.
I'll have to admit, it made me grin like an idiot to hear that sound again. My modern PCs are whisper quiet.
A FREAKIN' MEN! If your neighbors' lights didn't dim for a moment when you powered your computer then you weren't doing it right LOL!
The damn thing sounds like a flipping vacuum cleaner! I love it!
Indeed....that was an orgasmic intro to this sweet video....ahh the good old days.
Yeah, I love the sound of the voice coils in those old hard drives.
dang someone gave me one of those in 2001, i remember i was so proud to get xp working on it.
Dang, that must've been slow! Isn't the windows XP minimum recommended CPU a 233mhz Pentium?
@@startedtech something like that. It wasnt too functional. It was more of a proof of concept
Windows XP doesn’t support the microchanel architecture. There’s no way XP or Windows 2000 can run on any MCA architecture machine.
I’ve got a Pentium-66 installed in mine.
@@Mirroxaphene that makes sense, i didn't think it'd be possible to install XP on a system that old.
Had many many of the PS/2 Microchannel systems. Damn good machines. Accidentally tossed a Model 95 down a flight of iron fire escape steps. Thought for sure it was toast. No lie. Plugged it in and it booted.
I want to hear the story of how that accident scenario came to be.
What did you like about them? Seems quite a hassle of proprietary everything ownership-wise, but one cannot deny the appeal of early IBMs :)
Clint, you should sell shirts with that "How're you going to do it? PS/2 it!" slogan (from 1:30).
Also, the mention of Northgate brought back some memories. They were based here in the Minneapolis area, and I took a tour of their factory when I was 8 or so. The place was huge, with a lot of the floorspace dedicated to assembly/test stations.
To quote one of my co-workers back in the 90's: "IBM: You can get better, but you can't pay more!"
"Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" was the phrase I always heard. I was an AIX admin at the time and it was repeated like gospel.
Sounds like Apple.
@@nitroraptor5316 but those are dedicated workstations with even more cutting edge tech, so the price made sense
I love that you mentioned Commander Keen. My 5 year-old nephew loved playing it on my Tandy 1000.
The whole time I'm watching this I'm pounding my chair chanting "Doom! Doom! Doom!" until he explained the DX2 chip to which my chant changed to "Quake Quake Quake!".
Quake only ran payable on a 486 DX4/100 with a decent VLB video card... On the original retail box when quake was first released the minimum requirements were actually a 486 DX4/100 although later i believe they changed it to a pentium on later retail boxes.. In the mid to late 90s I had a DX2 66 and a DX4/75 overclocked to 100mhz and quake ran like rubbish on the dx2/66 but surprisingly it ran great on and was very playable on my dx4/100 although some levels the frame rate dropped but it was playable enough that I finished the entire game on it.. my 486 DX4/100 was one of my favourite and most memorable computers I owned - very fond memories of playing Doom, quake and the original GTA on it.. along with Windows 98SE and 32mb RAM
But can it do Duke 3D?
Did anyone else crank the sound during the start up? All that wonderful whirring and warming up, it's something I didn't realize I was nostalgic for...
IBM: $17.000 PC
Apple: *hold my monitor stand...*
I had to look up this Apple monitor stand people are mentioning because I couldn't believe it... nope, it's really a grand. Amazing.
$17000? Damn. This thing better run all games in 4K ultra settings.
It actually ran games in the 4:3 aspect ratio version of 720p. 720p in 1990s was absolutely insane. Insane to the point that I didn't see that resolution until like 1998-1999 and you had to spend mega bucks to get it then, 10 years later. I can't even imagine what people in 1990 thought of that resolution at 8bit color when most people were starting at 320p screens that were spinach green. 720p at 8bit color must have looked like heaven actually shining down on a computer, lol.
@@pleasuretokill
... What do you mean 720p? Do you know the exact resolution? Because i don't think there ever was a 4:3 resolution with 720 horizontal lines
@@Phenom98 I think he meant 1024x768 'xga' whick could be considered to be a 4:3 '768p'. Though as pointed out in the video it could only do this at 16 colours without a ridiculous upgrade and even then I highly doubt any games would be playable at that resolution.
@@chickenfizz Games wouldn't, but business applications would.
@@pleasuretokill Heck most people I knew did not even get out of 480p until like 2004. The advancement of resolutions really is staggering.
When that first booted up I was expecting the THX logo music to start!
Man, that bring back memories, the dream computer, back when I was finishing technical (programming) high school. (89-92). (Mexico)
Oscar Puertas aquí lo mismo, hemos tenido dos de los PS/2 en la clase en 1997, ya fueron antiguos en aquélla época, pero eran fascinantes. (Alemania)
Oscar Puertas I live in New Mexico in the states which is the same place Bill Gates come from so I called dibs.
The startup tho... whiRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR click whirr RRRRRR BEEP
That beep is as if the PC said: Fuck! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly LOL
AngryDavid808 😂😂😂😂😂 😑😑😑😑😴😴😴
During this period of time, I was a field service manager for IBM . We loved people who spent this kind of money because it's what kept us in business.
I still have a PS/2 Model 90 486 in my closet. I paid 400.00 for it in 1995. Spent that much for a micro channel sound card. Never knew it was so expensive when it was current. Wow!
That is some depreciation! haha
Can you make a video about it?
Pretty Soon it will be worth more then 400 Dollars!
I love learning about these old PCs
Haha :) maaan I was a user of these old PC's ... I still love them so much.
When I was in 5th grade in 1997 a friend gave me 6 of these among 13 other computers, monitors, printers and other gear he had extra from his computer shop, it was the beginning of my learning electronics and engineering.
Speaking of the IBM Model M keyboard: The IBM Model M keyboards, with their unique buckling spring switches, are the dream of every typing enthusiast. They've got an awesome, unique feel when typing on it, not even remotely comparable to today's keyboards. Even today they're being sold for insanely amounts of money (up to 150 bugs and more). I can really recommend everyone to try them out, it's definitely worth it!
sebwan had a few over the years, still use one at work much to the annoyance of colleagues
A company called unicomp bought the factory and still makes them new for about $80.
I had one when I was like 4. I wish I kept it.
LGR, thank you so so much for always letting us hear the sounds of these classic masterpieces!
It sounded like it was about to blast off upon booting up. Awesome! Now that's what I call $17,000 well-spent. :-)
It sounds like a turbofan engine such as the one on the Boeing 737.
Also the thing was built like a tank. Want to stand a grown machine on it? No problem.
The Ghost Mall Lol, not really. You could get an uber powerful 486 for half the price!
Any decent PC from that era sounded like that, not only the 17K ones :)
The HDDs did sound like that, but not the fans, unlike OC'ed monster PCs of this century! (The HDDs of the 1990s, and possibly the late-1980s, were loud!)
that full start-up at the top was amazing. please do that for all computers you review.
The use of capitals is deemed supervacaneous now, is it? Sad.
@@eknaap8800 As is using commonly used language, rather than unnecessarily convoluted words like supervacaneous? Especially, when taking into consideration that we are in a predominantly informal setting, where meaning and context are much more important than grammar and semantics. In conclusion, go fuck your self. Sad.
_When it starts up_
Damn, listen to that monster roar! :-O
Love it! Glad to see you are still kicking! Thanks for sharing!
Can't wait for the MCA vs ISA video
radixcl the YMCA?
New tech tale on the road! Yay!!!!!
That is a tale of corporate intrigue and sabotage... it’s a sabotage.
@@yakovhadash Sabotage? different MCA.
@@Hellwyck you got me there lol, masterful
GOD! THAT SOUND! Just gives me goosebumps. It really was an event to turn on your computer back in the day.
LGR, please, I've been waiting patiently for a video about the Model 95. You tease us showing us this behemoth, and then we wait for ages. For the new year, please remember this insanity.
I really enjoy your videos, so much dedication goes into your work. Keep it up!
Oh yes, the infamous microchannel. We had an IBM 386/25MHz at home. Never could find a compatible soundcard for it.
OMFG, I just remember I had one of those at the office working as a OS/2 system software engineer. But I „only“ had 16 MB of RAM. Such a great machine! Very very well built and the Keyboard was a dream come true. For me this was the best of the best.
Great video, and thanks for that booting sound!
This has to be one of the nicest looking 486 machines. There's just something indescribable about it.
That awkward moment when you realize: In the year 2044, someone will make a similar video about Threadripper and Core i9...
That won't happen. The i9 never cost as much as a car. The next big leap in performance is at least 20 years out and will replace silicon CMOS with an entirely new paradigm and the i9 will become regarded as a vacuum tube or mechanical switch computer in comparison. Silicon CMOS is pretty much dead. For the next 20 years or so we're stuck with it and you'll get perhaps a factor 2 more CPU performance and a factor 10 or so GPU performance.
(as a comparison, in the 90's CPU performance increased by 60% per year on average, and if that had continued until 2044 processors in 2044 would be 14 million times faster than what we have today; if it had continued from today and for the next 26 years, processors in 2044 would be 200 000 times faster than today).
No... it will be like someone in 2045 talking about how quantum computers took up a whole closet and costed millions in 2020
(0_0) Wow how do you know that?
IDK, it doesn't seem like too much has changed in terms of standards like it did in the 90s. we can capably use computers from 7 years ago for general computing tasks but in '97 a machine from 1990 would've been ass.
Also why is this awkward? You make it sound like people never talk about hardware from the past.
0:20 The whir, the beeps, and the clicks. Such a comfy sound.
As usual, awesome content, background research and I live seeing those abstracts from the era (where do you even find them?), filming, scripting... LGR your videos are golden!
I’m so glad you collect equipment and do these videos.
Man I love when you do Hardware videos.
32 MB of RAM? That's perfect for making a ramdisk!
LOL
Could get some serious word processing done with 32 MB of RAM.
thanks for the good taste of music, love your videos keep it up!!! im for sure be checking out your patreon!
Ive watched a bunch of your videos, and thankfully i have a bunch more to go. I love em 👍👍
just listening to the startup sound of the computer and later all the technical jargong is enough to give this video a like from me.
The use of capitals and proper punctuation is deemed supervacaneous now, is it? Sad.
oh that beautiful hum in the beginning, oh this make me a happy boy
Liked video immediately as I heard it
The use of capitals and proper punctuation is deemed supervacaneous now, is it? Sad.
Dam i love watching your videos LGR. Takes me back to my childhood.. I remember when most of the things you review first hit the market...
This was so fascinating and balanced. People have noted the glorious sound of the bootup. I also love the precision of the plastic manufacture shown here. The design is really beautiful and you just know the switches click with a weight and the keyboard feels good.
These videos of your's. I don't know how to describe their style or format that I like so much.
Right from the introduction it feels very calm, very welcoming with a relaxed atmosphere. You also speak in a very neutral (almost soothing) voice that conveys a certain aura of trust. You could probably make for one hell of a conman/sales person :P
I like your videos. They feel like 'you'. Keep doing that, they're awesome! You're awesome!
I just watch LGR at nigt to relax before going to bed, it works great.
It's amazing how much things cost when they first come out with new tech. I just bought a lawnmower from 1935 that cost $600 new. That's like $11,000 in today's money for a freaking lawn mower.
That was more than some cars back then.
Patchuchan Yeah, not many people bought them, unsurprisingly
I got a lawnmower that costs $15,000
Thanks for all the vids you do LGR, keep it real
"The Empire Strikes Back" That made me laugh.
I would pair this video with a nice aged port.
Martin Kronström love the pun, the port was aged for at least 27 years I'm sure.
We are clearly in a class all by ourselves, content to spend out idle hours watching old IBM PCs boot up.
@@TheZooman22 Finally, someone who understand me
Something like an RS 232, perhaps. 1988 is a good vintage.
I love seeing your videos on old PCs!!
@LGR dude! You should totally come to Super MAGfest next year! They have a PC museum. The scope in terms of time periods covers pretty much anything Windows 98 and older. This year, they even had a Manavox Odyssey
These machines were never built for home use as you say, And yes they were ridiculously expensive, BUT multi-million dollar companies relied on these things along with IBM's after service to keep their crucial businesses ticking over! They were reliable work horses (from a reliable company) for mainframes and in server environments.
We had about a dozen of these when I was an IBM mainframe operator (about 1993-95).The reason we had them was that they were essential to keeping the mainframes up and running, they were covered by the same IBM 24x7 support contract we had for the mainframes, and management weren't going to jeopardise the reslience of the several hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars they were spending on the mainframes by skimping out on white box consoles. Yes, they were essential extremely expensive terminal emulators, but they were critical to our operational stability.
I used one of these computer, or a computer that looks like this, at the Neil Squire in Fredericton, New Brunswick. My first PC was a Packard Bell PB220. A PC with a Intel SX-33 CPU.
Wow CDrom in 1990!
This computer is not from 1990, its a later model, like 92-93. I dont think CD-rom was an option in 1990.
great video as always... very nostalgic. Thank you.
Thank you for recording the boot sounds. It's like an old song to my ears.
OMG, that was a blast from the past. I used to be the Systems Admin for a Model 95 and a small (but growing) network of PC (PS/2's). The server ran OS/2 and IBM Lan Server. Sure it came with about 200MB SCSI drive out of the box. Later installed an additional 1GB SCSI drive. Networked with Token Ring, naturally.
It was a great bit of kit, very easy to work on. Only ever remember having problems when dealing with third party stuff like tape drives.
The combination of MCA and SCSI made for a great server system.
The boot up sound sounds like the THX sound
DOUBLE LINE the audience is making spreadsheets
Really interesting video, thanks!
Your PS/2 is very clean!!! Thanks for your video!!
Those blue plastic pieces are just handles to help remove and replace boards? That's a neat idea, I suppose only IBM did it? I guess that's the kind of luxury you get for 17 grand, lol.
Might also be cooling baffles.
those definitely look like quick release handles and pulls. The blue plastic length you can see in one of the shots might just be there for extra lateral support.
They made the card "full length". It was to help get the card in and out of the system without touching the bare card. Many cards just had the clip on the end and didn't bother with the full length thing. IBM just wanted to be special :)
On a sort of unrelated note, my IBM ThinkCentre from 2004 also came with a blue quick release handle, granted it was a lot bigger, that was supposed to help keep PCI cards in place. However, I removed it and use screws instead because I couldn't figure out how to use it.
ct92404, a commercial ice cream machine alone costs about 15,000$ in 2015 money; you couldn't afford it on 17,000$ of 1990 money.
Years later: "$ 20,000 PC from 2018, I'm using it to play Minecraft".
Can be true in 2045 or earlier
Bought an iMac Pro did we? ;)
M. V. Shooting build with AMD PC for fractional cost 😎 hashtag phenom hashtag socket hack
But why play that crap?
#LOL
When I started working for IBM in about 1997 I think one of these was my first PC... it was old and I was the new guy!
Road to 1 Million Subscribers, by the end of this year i would be shocked if LGR wasn't at 1 million, this is quality stuff
I just started watching and I simply expect to see you playing either Duke Nukem 3D or Doom on this thing.
...I wasn't disappointed. Jokes aside, great video.
Like they say, "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM".
It looks like that should've been.
Unless they worked for Apple of course. Then they got fired.
Yep, that was definitely the mindset in the 90s. I remember when my agency updated from ibm 386 to 486 based desktops around then.
@@edbouhl3100 The 90's? Hell, That's a line that held true from the 1940s thru the 1990s!
Great channel. Shows me all the stuff I could never have in the 90s :-)
PS/2 and OS/2 was awesome, wish I hadn't sold all of my kit off in the early 00's, didn't get much! Kept one complete PS/2, one day would love to get it out of the loft and put OS/2 on it. Thanks for a trip back down memory lane. Keep up the good work.
the cars you could buy with that instead xD
"BORING!" Let's play Doom instead.
The capitals and proper punctuation one could use...
From 1990-1994, I was using this computer for CAD drafting, the software which our company had was Micro CADAM, and yes the price of this computer was $16K, me and my coworkers would take turns using it at the beginning.
Dude, I am so jealous of your collection! What an awesome PS/2!!
My 1995 Windows 95 PC had 8MB of RAM, so 64MB in 1990 was indeed a lot.
That thing looks Dope auto focus. Thx 4 vid fam
I had a 9595-0PT (95A) server for years with a P60 in it and the full 64mb RAM running NT Server 3.5 then 4.0, that sucker did great. Dual 2.88mb floppies, mine had a 2x Caddy CD ROM drive, and a quartet of 2.3gb hard drives in it. Never had issues with it. Nobody would try to steal it either, weighed in at over 100 pounds! It had the "Spock" Fast SCSI card in it so it was quite quick for the day. I hope you have the external SCSI cable because its quite specialized.
I love the PS/2 computers. IBM did some real innovations there, but also screwed us and them selves with the MCA bus. It was a totally superior bus design (at the time), faster than ISA, ALMOST fully Plug n play, and if you knew what you were doing, very easy to work with in technicians terms. Loading the option ADF disk onto the Refrence disk, and configuring everything in the computer setup program was great. If they wouldn't have been jerks about it, likely we would have been using that until the mid to late 90s, and the PCI bus would probabally have been replaced by it.
Keep up the good work Clint. If you ever need PS/2 help, let me know. I used to repair them back in the day. I always loved going into an IBM based office building because I knew exactly what I was dealing with unlike with all of the clones at the time.
PS: You can tell the difference between MCA and ISA machines. Any model less than 50 is an ISA machine (Except the L40sx), above 50, its MCA.
PPS: The Thinkpad 710 is an MCA computer. The dock for it contained 2 16bit MCA expansion slots.
I loved this video, many thanks!
It is freakin insane to think that this was the most cutting edge computer in the year I was born and all technological advancements since then have happened in my lifetime.
I had an IBM PS/2 Model 50 Z that was in the family storage unit that was thrown out. Along with my VT420 terminal. I used to do fun things like this with it: www.blueeyes.jp/vt420/advent.jpg
I got both for free, too! Now I can't afford to get either because of the resurgence of nostalgia, and I really want another.
I have a VT420. They're actually relatively cheap to pick up refurbished - a lot of companies still want them for talking to some of their older stuff. Try looking on Vecmar
Wow! I also like how the terminal shows "Session 1" in the bottom left, and you're playing one of those classic text-based adventure games! I don't know why those kinds of things crack me up! Yeah, I could understand if you didn't get any input into what your family would have thrown out and what they would have kept.
Zzyzx Wolfe yiff me
Have you ever visited Zzyx road?
PLEEEAAASE, could you make a video about the PS/1 someday? That was my first computer ever (a 386 SX with 20 MHz and 2 MB of RAM) and I still love it so much!!
If I ever get one I'd love to!
My first computer was a PS/1 as well (Model 2133, 486SX25, 4MB RAM, 170MB HDD). Still used it (upgraded with a 1GB HDD, 16MB RAM, a math co-processor and a 3com NIC!) as a home server running linux into the early 2000s. Still nostalgic for the spacesaver model M2 keyboard.
That was my first one too! Loved that machine.
Nostalgia indeed. I´d love to see you reviewing the setup of the system. I used to tinker with with the PS/2 series back in the day and those systems required a floppy disk. It didn´t come with a BIOS confguration program on an EPROM IC. Also, it was requrired to reconfigure EVERY device attached to the MCA bus EVERY time ANY changes was made to the hardware including the hard drive attached to the SCSI adapter. I almost got insane with frustration when changing any hardware in those machines.
You sir have a amazing collection of computers
I want a 17k pc from 2019
Logical Phallusy...... done
Just buy an Alienware laptop, it'll be the same price and have all of the best mid-range specs from 2014!
@@oniinu Man, I was so triggered when someone who had bought Alienware five years ago thought his PC stood up to modern standards and bragged about it on the MSN Gaming Zone...
(this was a long time ago...)... ... (... way more than five years have passed...)... ...
LGR 30 years from now:
"This is Apple's Mac Pro from 2019. 30 years ago this machine costed someone $30k, and that's before you include the $1k monitor stand."
By then people will be amazed that apple included the motherboard for that price. Probably in the future apple will go RED and sell everyhting separately at stupid prices with poor customer services and warranties.... Wait a minute....
I can buy several Threadripper 3990X's and create SEVERAL powerful liquid cooled workstations for the price of a Mac Pro 2019. Christ.
Nope. Go configure an HP Z8 fully loaded. $130,000.
@@straightpipediesel well if we're going for that then why not just go for the nVidia DGX2 - $400k.
@@willow_1 Because a HP Z8 is a deskside tower workstation, like the Mac Pro. A DGX2 is a rack mount system designed for datacenters, which is clearly not the same class as a workstation. The comparable Nvidia system would be the DGX Station, which is cheaper at $50k.
Well, that brought back memories. Thanks for uploading.
Have great break. Look forward to catching your next review soon. Ron
1gb in 1990 would have lasted forever, unless if you were developing software, games, or rendering graphics that was insane for the time, no wonder this beast was so expensive.
1gb?
Gotta get that DB2 server up and running! :-)
I'm pretty sure IBM made an OS/2 port of DB2, anyway...
AH the glorious sounds of fans and hard disks spinning to life.
Holy grail, right there! Wow. Thanks for sharing!
2:54 when i saw that CD I was stunned.
Descent is my all-time favorite computer game!!! It's the first computer game i ever played..
Well, aside from Starcraft: Brood War, that is. Nothing comes close to the amazingness of BW
Outrageously pricey, even for the era!
Thank you for sharing this non-sense piece of technology history with us!🇧🇷👍😉
can we get old pc sounds asmr?
meme account You know they wouldn't be able to resist adding some heavy breathing over it
The Gray Market Safari *intense breathing*
this isn't already????
I was able to conduct the the floppy drive and beep timing from memory like an orchestra. Would love one with quiet modem sounds, fan sounds, harddrives seeking and floppy drive reading. Sounds like a nice youtube channel idea... Mmm
LGR makes me time traveling, greetings to you my friend.
Great Job! and keep up the good work!
When you turned it on, I thought I was listening to the THX logo at the start of a movie.
OOOOH!!! i see a copy of BOB in the background :D please Clint, tell me you'll do a review of that sometime
We use to have one of these back when i was little in my dad's office. i use to play games on it all the time, and of course at the time i did not think much of cost or value of it. I wish i still had it, but not sure what happened to it. Just remember one day there was another one in there, and it was stuck in a corner. We had it for many years though since he was the old fashion type, and would milk stuff for all it's worth. This video brought back memories so thank you!
Hearing that unit fire up is like music to my ears. I'm still convinced it's why I need a fan running in the background to sleep. Many years as a kid falling asleep in front of my old pc and on the sofa in the rec room while brothers were on it...
I miss those days when you turn on any type of pc and they would roar so loud
Thing sounds like a jet turbine.
Santtu Pesonen It's actually the sound of a close to death hard disk
Man that start up sound! So good
That feeling when I expected a full review, am now expecting a tech tales on MSA, and am also expecting a video on the Model 95, but despite all this still come out of this video feeling satisfied, I guess that's the power of LGR videos.