On a stock car with no aftermarket power adders, the factory injectors and fuel pump have enough capacity to handle full E85 safely. When doing a full build it is common to have to make fuel system upgrades to cover the extra demand. Our car, with over 800whp is running both upgraded injectors and pumps.
Sounds good but I am still confused how it hooks up and exactly how it works. Does anyone make a good water filter for E-85 use and can the water not be separated from ethanol ? Or can it be mixed and burned through the injectors..?
Hey, Mike, I am with Advanced Fuel Dynamics and work with E85 and other ethanol fuels every day. There is no more water in E85 than there is in gasoline, so in terms of complications related to water content there are none that I am aware of. Any water in the fuel would simply be burned during combustion. As for how the ProFlex system works, our patented technology actively manages E85 by sensing the fuel content and precisely adjusting fuel delivery to match the content of the fuel.
@@advancedfueldynamics1035 Ethanal is like a Sponge .. it sucks moisture right out of the air .. The Ethanal industry spends millions to make Anhydrous ethanal .. When ethanol absorbs water it causes phase separation .. the water separates from the ethanol If one was to run Pure ethanal it could be 5% water with no problem .. All the Problems are when you try to mix ethanol with gasoline .. It takes a lot of energy at the refinery to get the water out of the Ethanal .. thus raising the price of the ethanal .. Water is heavier so you end up with water at the bottom of your gas tank. Your engine won't run on pure water.. Diesel engine have very tight tolerance in the Injector pump and Injectors.. water has very little lubrication Properties .. Thus Diesel fuel injection parts will wear out or seize with water not to mention sitting and rusting.. For Stators I think I will install a new stainless steel tank in my Camaro ..so my gas tank will not rust from all of the moisture ethanal draws.. One place to avoid ethanol fuels is in boats.. they are on the water and draw too much moisture.. Also small Lawn mowers chains saws ect have a lot of issues if the sit much with E-!0 ect in the tank plus ethanal eats up many parts in any engine that does not have an ethanal resistance fuel system. Methanol is much more harsh on fuel components and Nitro Methane is even worse..
@@advancedfueldynamics1035 I looked at your web site,, It looks like you have a good Product for Cars that already have an ECM.. I do not have any ECm yet .. I was considering an Indian FTR-1200 Motorcycle which requires Premium fuel .. I don't want to pay 60 cents per gallon extra when a 50% x 50% blend of 87 octane E-10 and E-85 would be at least $1.50 per gallon less plus run cooler and make more power.. Thus I would need something to adjust that.. I have a Yamaha Snowmobile that uses the R-1 Engine .. Stock on gasoline it ran way too rich .. I did install a Boon docker fuel controller . I also installed an Oxygen sensor and gauge.. so I know where I am at.. it has a 10 gallon tank adding about 3 gallons of E-85 and 7 gallons of gasoline makes it run just perfect no black smoke and no soot in the tail pipes.. My sled is a 2006 model and the first year for fuel injection .. they used the same engine until 2018 and they much improved the fuel curves and emissions over the years..
@@advancedfueldynamics1035 If I can recall correctly if you have more than 85% ethanol and it has any water in it then it causes phase separation .. If you have less than 85% Ethanal the ethanal can still hold some water in suspension .. Bottom line . Anyhrrous Ethanal will mix with gasoline .. Ethanal with water in it will not blend with gasoline.. There is where all your problems come into play .. My guess is that your ECM uses ethanol ratio tables to add extra fuel to the stock ECM fuel tables. ??
@@mikeskidmore6754 Hey Mike, You are correct on the science, however pump E85 is federally mandated to have 51-83% ethanol content which means you will never get a blend above 85% at your local gas station. You can purchase up to 98% ethanol in a barrel of race fuel but that fuel will generally be refined to a very high standard and will not contain water. So, in practical terms and in our experience no customer, be it for street or racing applications, has experienced any issues with water content.
Our system modifies the fuel signal based on reading the ECU and directly driving the injectors with our patented fuel management system. Because we are reading the current fuel commands no tune is required and if a new gas tune is installed the Commander will instantly update to adapt to the changes making it 100% compatible with any gas tune, stock or performance.
I cant wait to get it. I helped my buddy put it on his 392 challenger and now hes beating me on low rolls. I NEEED it lol and it so simple ti install.
Thanks for the props.
do you need to upgrade the fuel injectors or the fuel pump? can the stock parts handle the increased fuel delivery?
On a stock car with no aftermarket power adders, the factory injectors and fuel pump have enough capacity to handle full E85 safely. When doing a full build it is common to have to make fuel system upgrades to cover the extra demand. Our car, with over 800whp is running both upgraded injectors and pumps.
Sounds good but I am still confused how it hooks up and exactly how it works.
Does anyone make a good water filter for E-85 use and can the water not be separated from ethanol ? Or can it be mixed and burned through the injectors..?
Hey, Mike, I am with Advanced Fuel Dynamics and work with E85 and other ethanol fuels every day. There is no more water in E85 than there is in gasoline, so in terms of complications related to water content there are none that I am aware of. Any water in the fuel would simply be burned during combustion. As for how the ProFlex system works, our patented technology actively manages E85 by sensing the fuel content and precisely adjusting fuel delivery to match the content of the fuel.
@@advancedfueldynamics1035 Ethanal is like a Sponge .. it sucks moisture right out of the air .. The Ethanal industry spends millions to make Anhydrous ethanal .. When ethanol absorbs water it causes phase separation .. the water separates from the ethanol
If one was to run Pure ethanal it could be 5% water with no problem .. All the Problems are when you try to mix ethanol with gasoline .. It takes a lot of energy at the refinery to get the water out of the Ethanal .. thus raising the price of the ethanal .. Water is heavier so you end up with water at the bottom of your gas tank. Your engine won't run on pure water..
Diesel engine have very tight tolerance in the Injector pump and Injectors.. water has very little lubrication Properties .. Thus Diesel fuel injection parts will wear out or seize with water not to mention sitting and rusting..
For Stators I think I will install a new stainless steel tank in my Camaro ..so my gas tank will not rust from all of the moisture ethanal draws..
One place to avoid ethanol fuels is in boats.. they are on the water and draw too much moisture.. Also small Lawn mowers chains saws ect have a lot of issues if the sit much with E-!0 ect in the tank plus ethanal eats up many parts in any engine that does not have an ethanal resistance fuel system.
Methanol is much more harsh on fuel components and Nitro Methane is even worse..
@@advancedfueldynamics1035 I looked at your web site,, It looks like you have a good Product for Cars that already have an ECM.. I do not have any ECm yet .. I was considering an Indian FTR-1200 Motorcycle which requires Premium fuel .. I don't want to pay 60 cents per gallon extra when a 50% x 50% blend of 87 octane E-10 and E-85 would be at least $1.50 per gallon less plus run cooler and make more power.. Thus I would need something to adjust that..
I have a Yamaha Snowmobile that uses the R-1 Engine .. Stock on gasoline it ran way too rich .. I did install a Boon docker fuel controller . I also installed an Oxygen sensor and gauge.. so I know where I am at.. it has a 10 gallon tank adding about 3 gallons of E-85 and 7 gallons of gasoline makes it run just perfect no black smoke and no soot in the tail pipes.. My sled is a 2006 model and the first year for fuel injection .. they used the same engine until 2018 and they much improved the fuel curves and emissions over the years..
@@advancedfueldynamics1035 If I can recall correctly if you have more than 85% ethanol and it has any water in it then it causes phase separation .. If you have less than 85% Ethanal the ethanal can still hold some water in suspension ..
Bottom line . Anyhrrous Ethanal will mix with gasoline .. Ethanal with water in it will not blend with gasoline.. There is where all your problems come into play ..
My guess is that your ECM uses ethanol ratio tables to add extra fuel to the stock ECM fuel tables. ??
@@mikeskidmore6754 Hey Mike,
You are correct on the science, however pump E85 is federally mandated to have 51-83% ethanol content which means you will never get a blend above 85% at your local gas station. You can purchase up to 98% ethanol in a barrel of race fuel but that fuel will generally be refined to a very high standard and will not contain water. So, in practical terms and in our experience no customer, be it for street or racing applications, has experienced any issues with water content.
No tune required ???🤨🤨🤨 how so?? I dont think I would trust this product so easily man
Our system modifies the fuel signal based on reading the ECU and directly driving the injectors with our patented fuel management system. Because we are reading the current fuel commands no tune is required and if a new gas tune is installed the Commander will instantly update to adapt to the changes making it 100% compatible with any gas tune, stock or performance.