This was a fight that my Father was well aware that odds were stacked way high against him. Nonetheless he took the fight when no one else regarded Liston worthy of a chance. His logic was, what good is it being a champion if you re gonna run from the most worthy of contenders ?. Liston did have a shady past but was still the number 1 contender for a title shot. What most don't know is that, at different times, both Dad and Liston had visited each others dressing rooms to offer support at different times. Liston was well aware of the deep depression my Father endured after his embarrassing losses. And reached out to him. My Father was also supportive of Liston when he kept getting bad raps and wasn't regarded as the celebrated champion that he deserved to be. My Father passed away in May of 2006 from Alzheimers. In the hospital suffering from Alzheimer's and prostate cancer, barely knowing who I was, I remember the last thing I said to him was: " Dad we need to get another fight with Liston. We gotta start training again". He actually lit up and said " yeah". It was the last connection I had with him. Then he drifted off and passed away 2 weeks later. Unfortunately, I didn't get to spend a lot of time getting to know my Father because of my parents' divorce. But the memories and knowledge I do have of him, I cherish and have no problem sharing it. Always a Champion in my book.
Interesting that Liston didn't celebrate, raise his arms, leap up and down and shout his own praises. The first thing he did was to come over to Patterson and speak a few words of commiseration. People say a lot of things about Sonny Liston. They ought to remember this aspect as well.
Floyd deserves a lot of respect here. His management didn't want him to fight Sonny, JFK even said "don't give Liston a shot". But Floyd had a troubled youth like Sonny. He said the guy has earned a shot, so he gave it to him. I respect Floyd Patterson, he could've ducked Liston but showed courage instead. 25 lb weight disadvantage and a 13" reach disadvantage. What kind of outcome would on expect? The difference in strength is obvious in the clinches, Patterson couldn't budge Sonny. People called Liston a thug, but his childhood was a nightmare, a serious nightmare. He never had a chance.
Making stuff up? Actually JFK said "When are you fighting Sonny Liston?" and he told Cus D'Amato that he had to fight him because the President expected it.
People say Patterson had a 'glass jaw' he didn't. It took big punchers to stop him inside the distance, Liston and Johansson. If there had been a cruiserweight division back then, we would all be saying what a great champion he was.
@@christianthornbury6192 yeah because Liston had 25 pounds on him and if most fighters he went up against had 25 pounds on him I wouldn't be surprised if he got beat every time
Calling Liston "inarticulate in victory" is a real cheap shot by Chric Schenkel. Liston was stoic and a man of few words but he was hardly inarticulate.
Yes, he was inarticulate, in and out of the ring. Whenever his wife went out of town, he fell apart and started drinking and getting into trouble. He would practically be in tears. But at least in the ring, he had plan and purpose. Not knocking him, just saying.
@@slimdudeDJC He was also the 1st guy to put his arm around Floyd in consolation. Sonny never caught any kind of break in life, except maybe his nose. He always said the only thing his father ever gave him was a beating......
@@slimdudeDJC THIS COMMENT IS INARTICULATE. you fail to prove your assertion and worse use a totally incoherent statement....that has zero support for it...fool butt
I've always thought that if Patterson had shed some weight and moved down to light-heavy he could have been one of the greatest ever. He was just too small for the likes of Liston and Ali.
I remember Ali used to call Patterson 'The Rabbit'. Those kidney punches by Liston had a big time affect on Floyd Patterson. Liston was working the body like a surgeon. Sonny came out like a real gentleman to check on Patterson after the win.
I have noticed that Sonny was the first person in the ring to check on all his beaten opponents. I think there was no animosity towards opponents by Sonny.They were just an opponent to be beaten as quickly as possible with the least damage to him or Sonny .It was just a payday to him.
Sonny showed respect for Floyd before and after the fight. Floyd had a checkered upbringing as a youth like Sonny. Floyd showed a lot of courage and integrity by giving Liston a shot. Sonny's childhood was a tragedy. Much respect to both of these men.
Thank you for such nice words. Yes, they both did have similar upbringings. And he felt Liston was a deserving Man who should get a chance at the title. Which is what he got....whether My Dad had to take the loss or not
Howard Cosell, was good and exciting, with an innate sense when a fight was about to turn. Boxing was his best sport. Bob Sheridan (Ali vs Foreman, Zaire ) was very good. Jim Lampley was about the worst. IMO. In anything.
If you put Liston in the 80’s and 90’s, with those generations’ training techniques, he would have beaten everyone including Mike Tyson. The Man is the prototypical Heavyweight Champion. Massive, long reach, insane power and a solid chin.
The same could be said for Joe Louis. Joe was the only fighter that had other guys have to be carried into the ring to face him. There were literally 2 or 3 guys who had to be physically forced into the ring to face Louis in his prime. He was killing folks
"Floyd vs Sonny (long version)" 11 min... 😂. I think that if Sonny didn't die he'd probably would have been a very likeable old man, talking about his career
Rubbish he was not liked sadly and to controled by the mob.. they killed him.. so fantasy stories would never have been.. his only good friend was the amazing Joe Luis
@@sooke54 I always thought that George Foreman was a version of Sonny Liston that was able to conquer his demons and live the rest of his life in peace
@@georgevincent1834 No they wouldn't have hahaha. Sonny was a very Conservative boxer puncher. He didn't go for knockouts, just took them as they came. Sonny threw more hooks and uppercuts than any of those fighters. Don't be ridiculous, China chinned Wlad beat Sonny? It would last 2 or 3 rounds, only because Wlad is big enough to tie up Sonny and break his momentum for a while. Vitali, that would be a tough fight as Vitali can take a punch, but liston was a lot tougher on the inside than Lennox and would've ripped him to pieces. Liston and Lennox would be a thriller fight, but considering certain variables I'd still favour Sonny because, like Ray Mercer he was a boxer puncher. Except he was much much better than Mercer.
@@cormacmcquillan828 No way....lol. Liston had no heart. He was kayo'd by an off balance right hand "love tap" by Ali in their second fight, and out and out QUIT in their first fight when it wasn't going his way. In fact Liston didn't even know how to cut off the ring.... Something every amateur fighter learns his very first week. Liston pretty much made his entire reputation by beating glass jawed little Floyd Patterson in two fights. In fact most of the guys Liston beat were in the cruiserweight size range. He was used to mauling smaller guys. It would be a whole new ballgame for him if he tried the bullying tactics against 245 pound Lewis or EITHER Klitchko. He won't be able to manhandle guys that size the way he did against his much smaller opposition. Vitaly definitely knocks him out or has Liston quit on his stool in frustration. No way did Liston ever see the likes of Vitali. Wlad is a more interesting but much duller fight. Wlad knows he has a glass chin but is smart enough to jab and clinch his way to a super boring UD. I think even second tier fighters like Tua and Ibebuchi beat Liston.
@@georgevincent1834 you don't know shit about boxing if you think tua and Ike beats any version of sonny. The fact that you only brought up the worse version of sonny (injured untrained sonny) against argueable the greatest heavyweight just show how narrow minded you are. Seriously, educated yourself since when being knockedout by one of the hardest punchers is considered a weak chin? With that logic joe frazier had a weak chin too because lasted a total of 7 rounds against foreman. Wladimir or his brother isn't beating the sonny not even the old sonny, his jab alone would knock Wladimir and cut Vitali to a stoppage. And saying sonny has no heart is stupid. His shoulder blew out by round 4 and from there he was just a sitting duck just hoping for a punch. With thus logic Ali has no heart because he quit in his corner against larry but I bet you got excuses for him though
Floyd was a gentleman and a credit to boxing. The last of the small heavyweights he was a skillful boxer and had talent but Liston was to strong for him
Actually, media portrayed him as a villian. In reality, he was very gracious and always showed class with his opponents. There's also multiple testimonies of people close to him descrbining him as a gentle and caring man. Yes, he had ties to organised crime... but that wasn't too uncommon in segregated black ghetto kids in the 30s/40s, which in fairness, resorted to anything that could bring them food to the table. Sadly, the contemporary media seemed too fixated with the this, and refused to acknowledge the more humane side of his. Great champ, all time favourite.
When Sonny finally gets his due he will be regarded as in the top 5 HTH heavyweights of all time. Late '50's Liston was pure horror for his opponents. It was almost obscene. Phil.
@@Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr Sonny Liston's greatest achievement was to become (what-they-called-then) "heavyweight world champion" by beating cruiser Floyd Patterson 189 lbs and then losing it approximately 1 year later to Cassius Clay (aka Cassius X aka Muhammad Ali) by retiring on the stool (RTD). Floyd Patterson at the time of the bout (and later in his whole career) had not a single real heavyweight fight: He started at 160+ lbs and his median winning weight was 178 lbs (= barely a cruiser). The fight against Liston was Patterson's highest being-outweighed fight (by 24 lbs) at that time and he had no business in the ring with a real heavyweight. The fight ended as the 3rd fastest KO of all time. Their 2nd encounter lasted 4 seconds longer.
What happened to Patterson's speed and lightning combinations? When they got close, I saw Patterson slipping most of Liston's punches but not throwing many of his own. Mike Tyson in his prime slipped punches but also threw many of his own. Patterson was giving up 25 pounds. He should've known he couldn't take out Liston with one punch and concentrated on quick combinations. Liston threw many more punches than Patterson.
Although Chris Schenkel's commentary is added after the fight--I prefer live commentary --the sound is excellent in this film, a scary realism. You hear the referee's commands to them during the bout, the thudding of both men's blows.
Floyd looked terrified from the outset.He could not even look Sonny in the face at the referee 's instructions.Beaten before he starts. Two minutes later,everybody in the world found out why !
Looking at Liston's speed, footwork and ability to punch hard at angles, he would easily knock out any heavyweight of the current era. I would have loved to have seen him in his prime during the 70's against Frazier, an older Ali, Foreman and Norton.
@@Damiana362, yes, this is what people with brains and eyes tend to do. We watch sports and then make comments. It used to be sitting around with friends, at outings and other social gatherings. Nowadays, we've added social media and RUclips. What's your point?
Back when fighters actually used to break on instruction from the ref. Last few Fury fights the ref had to physically prise him apart from his opponent AFTER yelling multiple times to break.
you could see what a mismatch this was when they stepped into the ring. Liston was much larger, hit harder. Floyd was really a lt heavyweight, and while he was fast and had a good punch of his own, had a glass jaw. Bad weakness to have going against Sonny!
“Glass jaw” you know he’s only been knocked out for a count of 10 once in his career... and that was by Sonny Liston. Even then, he got back up more than once. Most people that get floored by Liston don’t get back up. Also, three of his ‘losses’ are biased decisions especially when he destroyed Jimmy Ellis
+Reemus Boxing Do you feel Sergio K. Ward`s last opponent could have used his jab against Paterson in the same way Liston did if they fought at the same weight because I see a comparison Sergio has a reach and powerful jab like Liston and also has reach and awesome power also Floyd fought at light heavy before moving up. I would have also like to have seen a bout at light heavy between Ward and Floyd, interesting?!
Every time I see Sonny fight, I get so fixated on the size of those gloves. It had to be unsettling for your opponent to be chasing you around swinging cynderblocks at your head.
Floyd was very elusive and it's clear that Sonny had difficulty in reaching him but that Left Hand did the damage against the ropes; Floyd didn't see it and Sonny closed out the contest. Thanks for posting.
It is true that Sonny missed often in the beginning but that was the feeling out process. If the fight had gone further, his landed punches percentage would have gone up.
Patterson had a weak chin. After the first Johansson fight, Patterson learned to keep his chin tucked. Liston caught that chin and Patterson never saw it coming
Liston's reach and weight advantage was too much for Floyd to overcome. I've heard said Floyd would have been the greatest Light Heavyweight of all time.
@@jameswalker5260 And don't confuse your stupidity with anything else..And put the pipe down..It only further cripples your ability to form rational though..
@@floydpattersonii4996 I listened live on the radio when Floyd fought Cassius Clay (his name at the time)...My Dad and I both were pulling for Floyd)...I think if he would have fought at light heavyweight, his record would be even stronger. I was and still am a big fan of Floyd Patterson....Again, I witnessed both a great champion, as well as a stellar human being during that golden age of boxing. Guys like Floyd, Rocky Marciano and the like, brought a demeanor seldom seen today..No foul language or antics...Rather true gentleman that had mastered their craft...( The sweet science)....Happy trails...
@@JackPeters-yk9wg Thanks for such nice words. Marciano's family lived about 2 hours from where Iam. Marciano lived in Brockton, Ma. In 2009 the city of Brockton erected a long overdue statue of him.. 49-0 Undefeated. You can't beat that....and no one has
@@przemek5664 Yeah D'MATO one of the WORST trainers EVER! Trained the Two MOST Knocked Out Heavyweight Champs of All Times - Floyd Patterson and Mike Tyson!
It was that sweeping right uppercut at 5:38 that hurt Floyd. Ali proved that the only strategy that worked against Sonny was running and jabbing. You can only bob and slip so much.....
Patterson and Archie Moore were two of the best light heavyweights. I think both would have beaten Billy Conn. Conn almost beat Joe Louis with quick hand speed and movement. Louis had very little foot speed in my opinion..just saying. Schenkel's cheap shot at Liston being inarticulate was inaccurate.
I agree. A heavyweight champion weighing in at 189 lbs? Wtf!?? It looked like two different weight classes. Floyd had no chance. I believe it was Muhammad Ali that said Sonny Liston was the hardest puncher he ever fought.
TheBatugan77 You don’t have to be so snitty, my friend. All Ronald Darby was saying is that Patterson had the physical dimensions of a light heavyweight. Translation: Patterson wasn’t a TRUE heavyweight. It is to his credit that he was able to fight & defeat opponents who WERE true heavyweights.
Liston was always going to destroy Patterson the size differential is unlike no other just the fists alone where miles apart , Patterson is a light heavy compared to liston even Pattersons trainer never wanted any part of liston ,Liston was a monster even out his prime Ali was lucky he got a fragile broken liston ruled by the mob otherwise Ali would of been killed inside that ring , the way he demolishes a polished excellent fundamentally built fighter in Patterson is remarkable just sonny’s jab would put any normal man to sleep.
i remember hearing about this fight but i was only 12 yrs old so it's nice to see it now on video. i was aware of the fighters because my dad followed them. liston was so much bigger than patterson.
I remember, growing up on the Southside, listening to this bout on the radio with my dad. He had to explain to seven year old me why people who paid for tickets would be upset.
Champ Paterson was my coach in 1991-1993 in New Paltz NY. He punched me with a medicine ball 10x and wasn't able to walk for 3 days. He was a gem and a gallant man.
"28 year old Sonny Liston?" Hell, Liston was at least 33 if he was day and probably older than that. Patterson enters the ring looking like a man about to ascend the scaffold. He ducked Liston for two or three years but once he got in the ring with him, he could not duck, he could not run and he could not bob and weave - all he could do was pray.
Yeah Liston was for sure in his early 30's,The guy had no birth date. Floyd can stick and move really nice but for this fight he needed a way harder hit.
According to Wikipedia Sonny Liston once gave an age indicating that he was born in 1928, and it appears he wasn't sure when he was born. If Liston was born in 1928 that makes him around 34 years old in this fight. Sonny Liston certainly has power punches in this fight!
If Floyd Patterson were just a little bigger and had a jaw that was stronger, would he always have won? I wonder. Ali said Floyd Patterson was the most skilled boxer he ever fought.
@@tomtraphagen1906 We do indeed agree. Floyd Patterson was an exciting fighter to watch and to root for. As a man he always seemed thoughtful and complex, in a profession that's generally portrayed as primitive and barbaric. It really wasn't his fault that Cus D'Amato as his manager refused to allow Floyd to fight the top competition during his championship reigns- until Liston. He was brave and he was proud. And he got up when knocked down. He didn't just lie there and count the money. He never threw a fight, and he never quit.
That staredown from liston while the ref addresses both fighters is enough to scare anyone...also throughout the fight..not once did the ref have to step in to break up both fighters a simple "ok boys break it up" and they separated themselves...nowadays the ref has to force his way in between both boxers and pry them apart it just goes to show that discipline has totally gone out the window in today's world of boxing
Liston was the baddest man on the planet Tyson was just playing at it. Liston is a top ten heavyweight of all time. A man of his time and in his prime very very few would have beaten him . He would have had Marciano on toast for breakfast
Liston never beat anybody. Marciano would have scrambled Liston's brains. See, Liston didn't like getting hit, and it showed against Clay. Marciano beats Liston by TKO. Liston never saw the day he beats Rocky. Ezzard Charles, who Rocky beat, was a better fighter than Liston. You don't know boxing. You are too easily impressed by big ugly guys.
Poor Patterson! Apparently, he met with President Kennedy at the White House and the Prez asked him, "So, when are you going to fight Sonny Liston?". Patterson had refused to fight Liston for years on the pretext that Sonny was a bad character and controlled by the Mob. But after Kennedy asked him that question, he felt obliged to fight Sonny even though his trainer, cus D'Amato told him flat out - "You can't beat Sonny Liston!". Of course, Cus knew what he was talking about but Patterson went and fought him anyway and got flattened like a fly hit by a sledge hammer.
+Steven Yourke I feel Sergio K. the light heavy crusher could have beat Paterson if they came in at the same weight. (Paterson fought at light heavy before moving up) I feel Sergio powerful jab would be effective in the same way Liston`s was, I feel his reach would have been too much for Floyd had they been born in the same year.
Liston was still fighting 6 round fights when Marciano was champ. He was a nobody. His first big fight with a rated contender was in 1959, Mike DeJohn. You obviously don't know what you're taking about. I will say this, if Ali could put Liston down with a patty-cake phantom punch, Liston could never handle Marciano's power.
al cerillo Marciano made a living fighting old men and puffed up light heavy weights. Joe Louis was not just over the hill, he was under it. Ezzard Charles was a light heavy weight who could not punch. Archie Moore was a 50 year old light heavyweight who had Marciano down and the gave Marciano a tough fight. He got beat up by a 40 year old Jersey Joe before knocking a 40 year old guy cold. Marciano would have lasted one or two rounds longer than the Rabbit Floyd Patterson! Marciano was a super fighter when it came to beating up old men!!!!
@@Kinlow54 Not so sure. If Liston went down with that patty-cake phantom punch that Ali threw, I'd say Marciano had a good chance to take apart Sonny. You're confused, Moore was 48 years old when he fought Ali. He was 38, and won 21 in a row before when he fought Rocky. Rocky has never been dazed. I've seen Ali clobbered and dazed several times. Since Rocky only beats "old men" that means he'd have clean 45 year old George Foreman's clock too. Don Turner said Marciano was the hardest puncher he ever saw. Harder than Liston, Foreman, Shavers, etc. If you don't know who Don Turner is, educate yourself. It's never too late.
I watched this on "pay T.V.". Beforehand, there was a documentary on Floyd showing one knock out after another, certainly to build Floyd's image. By the time the bell rang, I didn't think Sonny had much of a chance. That's how convincing the Floyd clips were. Besides, I was a big Floyd fan. When Floyd went down, I was sure he'd get up. After all, he always did. When it was all over, I smelled fix. I didn't see the punch that finally put Floyd to sleep and there were no instant replays back then. It took the after fight films (and the return debacle) for me to understand what the obvious truth was. Floyd never had a chance.
Sonny had a 13 inch reach and 30 pound weight as well as a height advantage on top of massive punching power. Too many advantages over Floyd. I think Sonny's when the real heavyweight division began.
I was not born when this fight happen. However, your story remind me when I watched Tyson fight against Lennox Lewis on PPV as I was fan of Tyson thinking he is GOAT and I was waiting for Tyson to knock out Lennox Lewis which never happen . After all Tyson got knocked out miserably .
That was a dirty shot by Liston. He pulled Pattersons head down with his right and gave him a nasty left hook/uppercut, as he was holding Patterson's head down with his right. You can't do that.
When Liston lost to Ali (I was 10 years old but a knowledgeable sports fan) I was shocked like everyone else. I thought Liston would knock Ali out cold. Even in the 2nd fight I thought Liston would win. Liston & myself came from the same background. Raised in the rural poor south and migrated to the city. He could've been a twin brother to my uncle.They had the same demeanor..scary!
Don't be too disappointed, both fights were fixed, I know this with absolute certainty. Had they really fought, I would give Ali 2 or 3 rounds the most before he went down and out.
@@MrMarco855 Sorry, Marco, not buying it. Ali's hands were just too quick for the camera and the human eye to see. I know this is hard to accept but it's true..
@@harrisonmccorkle6481 It's not hard to accept it's hard to believe. Your saying that you don't see Ali's hands when he punches because they're so fast? You're on another level in terms of exaggerating Ali's abilities. I see every punch he throws and I'm not blinded by emotion. The fact is I've done much research looking for evidence and I found a lot. I don't need evidence for my sake, my eyes have informed me that Liston wasn't fighting at all in the 1st fight, in the 2nd fight he did a poor acting job and it's very easy to see a fix again. 2 fights, both ordered fixes by the mob. Liston otherwise was the best HW that ever lived.
@@MrMarco855 The Ali-Liston fights being fixed is about as wild of a conspiracy theory as the moon landings being fake. They have no proof and they have no evidence. Any evidence is selective or half hearted. The anchor punch also was seen on camera; it genuinely was so fast that you had to slow it down to see it. So, no, it was indeed a thrown punch that landed. Rocky Marciano & Joe Louis, two of the best punchers of all time, both said the punch had the power to knock Liston out (as Liston was moving directly into the punch, and was hit in the side of the head by it). Liston got unlucky and got knocked out. Maybe he could’ve gotten up, but he had no heart to do so. He was too prideful to accept a knockout unless he truly felt defeated. He was knocked down by the Louisville Lip in the first round, and simply lost all heart to continue, and stayed down. There wasn’t any fix. If it was fixed, there’d be more open evidence about it 60 years after the fight had occurred, but there isn’t. Only fringe conspiracies.
Marciano would've knocked out Williams. Liston would've been a much tougher proposition. I would pick Liston on skills, punch & reach but Marciano on conditioning, endurance & desire! A hard call!
Liston would have probably knocked Marciano out. Huge reach advantage , great power, a good boxer. I could see Patterson stopping Marciano on cuts but I think That there is a good chance that Marciano would stop Patterson if he caught him .
Its not JUST the size Liston was one of the 4 or 5 hardest hitters ever. And this is coming from a guy who says Marciano would have beat Joe Louis even when Louis was in his prime. Fights are about match ups of Style.
Bad ref, Liston got away with some low shots and held Patterson while punching. Still...Liston wasn't bothered by anything Patterson hit him with. Patterson didn't look afraid as some people have said and moved well defensively, but Liston was just too big, strong and tough to overcome.
Patterson could have done better if his stage fright wasn’t so bad, he clearly has the ability to keep up with listen but he doesn’t take advantage of any of Listons openings
Patterson was a gutsy fighter, but he was way too light to be boxing as a heavyweight at this time in history. He was a perfect example of why the cruiserweight class was developed. As for this fight, his style was all wrong for Liston.
rickyt43515 I too was about your age and remember going to the theater with my father to watch the fight. In those days, the fights were shown via closed-circuit TV at selected movie theaters across the country. Ah, such memories. Has it really been 50+ years......
This was a fight that my Father was well aware that odds were stacked way high against him. Nonetheless he took the fight when no one else regarded Liston worthy of a chance. His logic was, what good is it being a champion if you re gonna run from the most worthy of contenders ?. Liston did have a shady past but was still the number 1 contender for a title shot. What most don't know is that, at different times, both Dad and Liston had visited each others dressing rooms to offer support at different times. Liston was well aware of the deep depression my Father endured after his embarrassing losses. And reached out to him. My Father was also supportive of Liston when he kept getting bad raps and wasn't regarded as the celebrated champion that he deserved to be. My Father passed away in May of 2006 from Alzheimers. In the hospital suffering from Alzheimer's and prostate cancer, barely knowing who I was, I remember the last thing I said to him was: " Dad we need to get another fight with Liston. We gotta start training again". He actually lit up and said " yeah". It was the last connection I had with him. Then he drifted off and passed away 2 weeks later. Unfortunately, I didn't get to spend a lot of time getting to know my Father because of my parents' divorce. But the memories and knowledge I do have of him, I cherish and have no problem sharing it. Always a Champion in my book.
You are a liar
Your father was a classy gentleman.
@@MrMarco855 Thank you !
Amazing post , God bless your father and Sonny listen 🙏🏾
That's Great!!
Interesting that Liston didn't celebrate, raise his arms, leap up and down and shout his own praises. The first thing he did was to come over to Patterson and speak a few words of commiseration. People say a lot of things about Sonny Liston. They ought to remember this aspect as well.
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@@thorvaldmadsen7370 !
Liston always did that after he won. very gracious.
Great sportmanship and respect
Yes, well said.
Floyd deserves a lot of respect here. His management didn't want him to fight Sonny, JFK even said "don't give Liston a shot". But Floyd had a troubled youth like Sonny. He said the guy has earned a shot, so he gave it to him. I respect Floyd Patterson, he could've ducked Liston but showed courage instead. 25 lb weight disadvantage and a 13" reach disadvantage. What kind of outcome would on expect? The difference in strength is obvious in the clinches, Patterson couldn't budge Sonny. People called Liston a thug, but his childhood was a nightmare, a serious nightmare. He never had a chance.
Making stuff up? Actually JFK said "When are you fighting Sonny Liston?" and he told Cus D'Amato that he had to fight him because the President expected it.
JFK'S team told him don't go to Texas, but he did anyway.
According to Mike Tyson's book Iron Ambition, JFK in fact was in favor of him fighting Liston.
Respect to Patterson, truly a gentleman
You are 100% correct. Even JFK didnt want Liston as champion
People say Patterson had a 'glass jaw' he didn't. It took big punchers to stop him inside the distance, Liston and Johansson. If there had been a cruiserweight division back then, we would all be saying what a great champion he was.
I'm not so sure His chin was very vulnerable.
Patterson was a bum at heavyweight.
@@christianthornbury6192 yeah because Liston had 25 pounds on him and if most fighters he went up against had 25 pounds on him I wouldn't be surprised if he got beat every time
He had a glass chin
@@Mikep487 Every chin is vulnerable when taking an uppercut from Sonny Liston
Calling Liston "inarticulate in victory" is a real cheap shot by Chric Schenkel. Liston was stoic and a man of few words but he was hardly inarticulate.
Yes, he was inarticulate, in and out of the ring. Whenever his wife went out of town, he fell apart and started drinking and getting into trouble. He would practically be in tears. But at least in the ring, he had plan and purpose. Not knocking him, just saying.
@@slimdudeDJC He was also the 1st guy to put his arm around Floyd in consolation. Sonny never caught any kind of break in life, except maybe his nose. He always said the only thing his father ever gave him was a beating......
Just remember the line from Basketbal Jones; "Chris Schenkel, don't say nothin"
@@slimdudeDJC THIS COMMENT IS INARTICULATE.
you fail to prove your assertion and worse use a totally incoherent statement....that has zero support for it...fool butt
Sonny was articulate with his fists and most of all with that dull stare he gave his opponents.
I've always thought that if Patterson had shed some weight and moved down to light-heavy he could have been one of the greatest ever. He was just too small for the likes of Liston and Ali.
Nonsense: he had already put on weight going from middle to heavy so how would you expect him to then trim off a stone and stay strong?
I agree he only weighed 189 , that's not even a heavyweight today!
liljoerox i met Floyd once i was surprised how small he was this was in the 80s
the money was at heavy weight, which is why he moved up
@@stanmoney8470 yea and liston looks 230
I remember Ali used to call Patterson 'The Rabbit'. Those kidney punches by Liston had a big time affect on Floyd Patterson. Liston was working the body like a surgeon. Sonny came out like a real gentleman to check on Patterson after the win.
I have noticed that Sonny was the first person in the ring to check on all his beaten opponents. I think there was no animosity towards opponents by Sonny.They were just an opponent to be beaten as quickly as possible with the least damage to him or Sonny .It was just a payday to him.
Oscar Robinson the “rabbit” was referring to his illegal rabbit punch which defeated Ingamar Johansson
Oscar Robinson that body work was excellent
@@collarbutton Had Ingemar kept his focus and trained properly he could never have lost to Paterson. He had been living the good life too long.
Sonny showed respect for Floyd before and after the fight. Floyd had a checkered upbringing as a youth like Sonny. Floyd showed a lot of courage and integrity by giving Liston a shot. Sonny's childhood was a tragedy. Much respect to both of these men.
Thank you
Thank you for such nice words. Yes, they both did have similar upbringings. And he felt Liston was a deserving Man who should get a chance at the title. Which is what he got....whether My Dad had to take the loss or not
Floyd Patterson is one in a million, he fears no man, no matter the size. RIP legends❤
How refreshing to hear a proper announcer rather than the tiresome types today who seem to think THEY are the attraction, not the fighters.
Chris Shenkel didn't know jack about boxing. His analysis is cursory.
@@jml-rj5re that's all that's needed. The image speaks for itself. And this long slow motion is amazing.
todays anuncers just pretty much just babble. They just don’t stop talking and don’t think about what contents they are talking about.
Howard Cosell, was good and exciting, with an innate sense when a fight was about to turn. Boxing was his best sport.
Bob Sheridan (Ali vs Foreman, Zaire ) was very good.
Jim Lampley was about the worst. IMO. In anything.
If you put Liston in the 80’s and 90’s, with those generations’ training techniques, he would have beaten everyone including Mike Tyson. The Man is the prototypical Heavyweight Champion. Massive, long reach, insane power and a solid chin.
Mike sleeping dude just like Ali
Mike sleeps Liston just like Ali
The same could be said for Joe Louis. Joe was the only fighter that had other guys have to be carried into the ring to face him. There were literally 2 or 3 guys who had to be physically forced into the ring to face Louis in his prime. He was killing folks
@@paysonfox88 put Tyson in that era he will run thru everybody
@bossbangatv5435 he couldn't even run through buster Douglas bro
Liston jab would cause tyson nightmares
Customato did everything in his power to stop this fight, but Patterson was a real man. Fearless 🥊
Of course he did you think that Gus wanted to lose his meal ticket
"Floyd vs Sonny (long version)" 11 min... 😂.
I think that if Sonny didn't die he'd probably would have been a very likeable old man, talking about his career
Rubbish he was not liked sadly and to controled by the mob.. they killed him.. so fantasy stories would never have been.. his only good friend was the amazing Joe Luis
Maybe he would have mellowed, like George Foreman.
@@sooke54 I always thought that George Foreman was a version of Sonny Liston that was able to conquer his demons and live the rest of his life in peace
The way he died...sad!
Spoiler: There is no long version of a Liston vs Patterson fight.
The Paralex View hahahahaha, yes we all saw the same thing.
Given the outcomes- they could have fought the rematch on the same night.
Sonny liston was invincible & unbeatable late 1950s/ 1962;; 1962 Sonny liston would've peel Cassius clay head in 1962 or before
Liston was underrated as a good man.
Oh god, there's that word again, "underrated". He was a monster puncher, and during his era everyone knew it!
@@rickyhuff He would take wild swings and leave himself wide open. Lewis and the Klitchko brothers would've wiped the floor with him.
@@georgevincent1834 No they wouldn't have hahaha. Sonny was a very Conservative boxer puncher. He didn't go for knockouts, just took them as they came. Sonny threw more hooks and uppercuts than any of those fighters. Don't be ridiculous, China chinned Wlad beat Sonny? It would last 2 or 3 rounds, only because Wlad is big enough to tie up Sonny and break his momentum for a while. Vitali, that would be a tough fight as Vitali can take a punch, but liston was a lot tougher on the inside than Lennox and would've ripped him to pieces. Liston and Lennox would be a thriller fight, but considering certain variables I'd still favour Sonny because, like Ray Mercer he was a boxer puncher. Except he was much much better than Mercer.
@@cormacmcquillan828 No way....lol. Liston had no heart. He was kayo'd by an off balance right hand "love tap" by Ali in their second fight, and out and out QUIT in their first fight when it wasn't going his way. In fact Liston didn't even know how to cut off the ring.... Something every amateur fighter learns his very first week. Liston pretty much made his entire reputation by beating glass jawed little Floyd Patterson in two fights. In fact most of the guys Liston beat were in the cruiserweight size range. He was used to mauling smaller guys. It would be a whole new ballgame for him if he tried the bullying tactics against 245 pound Lewis or EITHER Klitchko. He won't be able to manhandle guys that size the way he did against his much smaller opposition. Vitaly definitely knocks him out or has Liston quit on his stool in frustration. No way did Liston ever see the likes of Vitali. Wlad is a more interesting but much duller fight. Wlad knows he has a glass chin but is smart enough to jab and clinch his way to a super boring UD. I think even second tier fighters like Tua and Ibebuchi beat Liston.
@@georgevincent1834 you don't know shit about boxing if you think tua and Ike beats any version of sonny. The fact that you only brought up the worse version of sonny (injured untrained sonny) against argueable the greatest heavyweight just show how narrow minded you are. Seriously, educated yourself since when being knockedout by one of the hardest punchers is considered a weak chin? With that logic joe frazier had a weak chin too because lasted a total of 7 rounds against foreman. Wladimir or his brother isn't beating the sonny not even the old sonny, his jab alone would knock Wladimir and cut Vitali to a stoppage. And saying sonny has no heart is stupid. His shoulder blew out by round 4 and from there he was just a sitting duck just hoping for a punch. With thus logic Ali has no heart because he quit in his corner against larry but I bet you got excuses for him though
The real life Clubber Lang,.. just like Mickey said, "This guy, is a WRECKING machine"
Floyd was a gentleman and a credit to boxing. The last of the small heavyweights
he was a skillful boxer and had talent but Liston was to strong for him
It was Liston's shots to the body that was the beginning of the end for Patterson.
No, i wd say it was the entire fight unfortunately
He didn’t choose to be a villain, the Villain life chose him
Actually, media portrayed him as a villian. In reality, he was very gracious and always showed class with his opponents. There's also multiple testimonies of people close to him descrbining him as a gentle and caring man.
Yes, he had ties to organised crime... but that wasn't too uncommon in segregated black ghetto kids in the 30s/40s, which in fairness, resorted to anything that could bring them food to the table. Sadly, the contemporary media seemed too fixated with the this, and refused to acknowledge the more humane side of his.
Great champ, all time favourite.
@@aplanedividedthesky , True!
Hear the crowd booing when Liston is announced - then hear them cheering when Patterson was announced.
The crowd just simply did not like Liston because of his criminal background. They would not forgive him.
When Sonny finally gets his due he will be regarded as in the top 5 HTH heavyweights of all time.
Late '50's Liston was pure horror for his opponents.
It was almost obscene.
Phil.
Lol not a chance
@@joetrie , actually, there's a good chance.
@@Luis_Ah_Hoy_Jr Sonny Liston's greatest achievement was to become (what-they-called-then) "heavyweight world champion" by beating cruiser Floyd Patterson 189 lbs and then losing it approximately 1 year later to Cassius Clay (aka Cassius X aka Muhammad Ali) by retiring on the stool (RTD). Floyd Patterson at the time of the bout (and later in his whole career) had not a single real heavyweight fight: He started at 160+ lbs and his median winning weight was 178 lbs (= barely a cruiser). The fight against Liston was Patterson's highest being-outweighed fight (by 24 lbs) at that time and he had no business in the ring with a real heavyweight. The fight ended as the 3rd fastest KO of all time. Their 2nd encounter lasted 4 seconds longer.
What happened to Patterson's speed and lightning combinations? When they got close, I saw Patterson slipping most of Liston's punches but not throwing many of his own. Mike Tyson in his prime slipped punches but also threw many of his own. Patterson was giving up 25 pounds. He should've known he couldn't take out Liston with one punch and concentrated on quick combinations. Liston threw many more punches than Patterson.
I think he choked twice that's all cause when he fought chavalo he fought well
The moment Patterson "opened up" in the early going he would have been vulnerable and Liston would have wasted him even more quickly.
Boxing hurts when you get hit, I would know, it can cause discomfort and confusion which will throw a person’s rhythm off
He was intimidated
@@aayushsrivastava9569Certainly looked the case whilst the referee was giving instructions.
Although Chris Schenkel's commentary is added after the fight--I prefer live commentary --the sound is excellent in this film, a scary realism. You hear the referee's commands to them during the bout, the thudding of both men's blows.
when you watch the slow motion, you realize most of the head shots missed, but those body shots...
Floyd looked terrified from the outset.He could not even look Sonny in the face at the referee 's instructions.Beaten before he starts. Two minutes later,everybody in the world found out why !
Battle looks like it's already won, Patterson wouldn't even dare look Liston in the eyes.
That was the opinion of the day; Patterson was afraid of Sonny. He wasn't the only one, either!
Looking at Liston's speed, footwork and ability to punch hard at angles, he would easily knock out any heavyweight of the current era. I would have loved to have seen him in his prime during the 70's against Frazier, an older Ali, Foreman and Norton.
Liston was simply the best heavyweight that ever lived.
He would have beaten Frazier. He had a hard time hitting Patterson. If Floyd had moved like Ali, he wins
Here we are, the daily boxing expert is giving us his thoughts.
@@Damiana362, yes, this is what people with brains and eyes tend to do. We watch sports and then make comments. It used to be sitting around with friends, at outings and other social gatherings. Nowadays, we've added social media and RUclips. What's your point?
@@Damiana362 instead of formulating your own ideas, you would rather ridicule people who are actually trying.
I met Floyd Patterson at a Garfield ,NJ fight night, what a gentleman !
A boxer losing his title to a greater fighter in the first round. I LOVE IT!!!
Back when fighters actually used to break on instruction from the ref. Last few Fury fights the ref had to physically prise him apart from his opponent AFTER yelling multiple times to break.
At 8:45 Sonny is holding Floyd's head with his right hand while pounding it with his left.
Yes. Nice move.
25 pounds heavier with a 13 inch reach advantage, Floyd was just too small.
Not even that, Floyd was scared stiff and really only came forward.
True he should have fought in,the light,heavey weight division. He probably would have gone down,as the greatest in,that division,,.
Liston had an insane reach relative to his height
his hands were also huuuuge
Goat
would Rocky Marciano have been too ?
@@duaneholcomb8408 He'd have to top Ezzard Charles, which i doubt he could, but he would've been a great light heavyweight nonetheless.
5:03 that is some solid head movement
Yup. That’s the peek a boo style from Cus D’ Amato.
@@Johnny-nd4lu 😮I forgot he trained with him too
Man Patterson looks so small there to.
Looks like Mike tysok
you could see what a mismatch this was when they stepped into the ring. Liston was much larger, hit harder. Floyd was really a lt heavyweight, and while he was fast and had a good punch of his own, had a glass jaw. Bad weakness to have going against Sonny!
after the Johansson fight the press started calling him Falling Floyd.
“Glass jaw” you know he’s only been knocked out for a count of 10 once in his career... and that was by Sonny Liston. Even then, he got back up more than once. Most people that get floored by Liston don’t get back up. Also, three of his ‘losses’ are biased decisions especially when he destroyed Jimmy Ellis
Glass jaw ? Go watch football you fooking idiot
@@mmastiff734 these nutjob ''fans'' don't know anything, don't bother wasting ur energy with them
Excellent footage!
You could HEAR Listons punches land!!
i have old school breakdowns, including on pattersons skills and weaknesses, come watch!
+Reemus Boxing Do you feel Sergio K. Ward`s last opponent could have used his jab against Paterson in the same way Liston did if they fought at the same weight because I see a comparison Sergio has a reach and powerful jab like Liston and also has reach and awesome power also Floyd fought at light heavy before moving up. I would have also like to have seen a bout at light heavy between Ward and Floyd, interesting?!
15" fists and 84" leverage with a 25lbs advantage ...erm...goodbye Floyd. ...nice knowing you.
Remember George Foreman vs Jimmy Young?
@@jamesgraham3116 that wasn't the same foreman
@@jamesgraham3116 I dont think GF had a 25lb weight OR a 13" reach advantage on JY. GF in his prime weighed 220lbs.....
Every time I see Sonny fight, I get so fixated on the size of those gloves. It had to be unsettling for your opponent to be chasing you around swinging cynderblocks at your head.
@@skepchica I mean Ali and others had no problem with him. big hands don't mean more power
Right uppercut at 5:39 (and slow mo at 8:11) is what put Patterson on Queer Street. He was gone after that.
Floyd was very elusive and it's clear that Sonny had difficulty in reaching him but that Left Hand did the damage against the ropes; Floyd didn't see it and Sonny closed out the contest. Thanks for posting.
It is true that Sonny missed often in the beginning but that was the feeling out process. If the fight had gone further, his landed punches percentage would have gone up.
@@Mikep487 When you put him beside other sluggers, his stamina really stands out. Sonny was a problem.
Patterson had a weak chin. After the first Johansson fight, Patterson learned to keep his chin tucked. Liston caught that chin and Patterson never saw it coming
Liston's reach and weight advantage was too much for Floyd to overcome. I've heard said Floyd would have been the greatest Light Heavyweight of all time.
Maybe. Would have been a great fight between Patterson vs. Bob Foster.
One of the greatest light heavyweights of all time, to be sure.
Cruiserweight
Absolutely. Cruiserweight.
@@felixmadison5736 Absolutely.
At the rematch. Floyd brought a disguise to wear so he could get out of the building unnoticed. Serious, no joke.
Floyd was a small heavyweight..One of the finest gentleman to ever hold a title..
Gentleman my azz, just because someone doesnt have a controversial opinion doesnt make them a gentleman. Dont confuse humble with stupid.
Thnx for the nice words of my Father
@@jameswalker5260 And don't confuse your stupidity with anything else..And put the pipe down..It only further cripples your ability to form rational though..
@@floydpattersonii4996 I listened live on the radio when Floyd fought Cassius Clay (his name at the time)...My Dad and I both were pulling for Floyd)...I think if he would have fought at light heavyweight, his record would be even stronger. I was and still am a big fan of Floyd Patterson....Again, I witnessed both a great champion, as well as a stellar human being during that golden age of boxing. Guys like Floyd, Rocky Marciano and the like, brought a demeanor seldom seen today..No foul language or antics...Rather true gentleman that had mastered their craft...( The sweet science)....Happy trails...
@@JackPeters-yk9wg Thanks for such nice words. Marciano's family lived about 2 hours from where Iam. Marciano lived in Brockton, Ma. In 2009 the city of Brockton erected a long overdue statue of him.. 49-0 Undefeated. You can't beat that....and no one has
Liston was just as quick, just as fast and a true heavyweight bigger, faster, stronger.
No way your on dope! Liston wasn't faster than Patterson! Thats just stupid, watch all the other tapes of both fighters bouts. C'mon man? LOL
10:09 Ladies and gentlemen Mr. Cus D'amato himself.
First time I see him with hairs! What corner was he at??
@@johnmorax7436 Don't u recognize which boxing style of this two warriors is similar to Iron Mike Tyson? Watch it again :)
@@przemek5664 Yeah D'MATO one of the WORST trainers EVER! Trained the Two MOST Knocked Out Heavyweight Champs of All Times - Floyd Patterson and Mike Tyson!
@@thespy7795 Oh yeah, ur comment mean to me something between vacuum and nothing. Thanks anyway for opinion xD
Patterson moved just like Mike Tyson...sure can see Cus D'Mato training similarity.
No, he weaved like Tyson but that was it. He was not aggressive at all. MT was a killer, of big or small, didn't matter.
Patterson looked more like a middleweight than a heavy.
@@lemankurtz8950 PATTERSON WAS PETRIFIED. HE LOST BEFORE THE FIGHT EVEN STARTED.
@@jameshowell6160
You again? Your CAPS LOCK is stuck, Jimmie. And you're stuck on stupid, Jimmie.
I think Liston had a style much like George Foreman.
After his fight Patterson lost that spring on his step, those shots from Liston are that damaging.
Liston was George Foreman's idol and l can see the similarities in how both Liston and Foreman wore their robes and towels before the fight started...
It made them look like executioners.
Awesome that we got to see, basically, the entire fight in slow mo
Смотришь на Сани Листона и понимаешь, вот это мощь.
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It was that sweeping right uppercut at 5:38 that hurt Floyd. Ali proved that the only strategy that worked against Sonny was running and jabbing. You can only bob and slip so much.....
And still Sonny threw the fight with Ali. He even pulled his punches in the first fight.
@@Mikep487 Nah.
Patterson and Archie Moore were two of the best light heavyweights. I think both would have beaten Billy Conn. Conn almost beat Joe Louis with quick hand speed and movement. Louis had very little foot speed in my opinion..just saying. Schenkel's cheap shot at Liston being inarticulate was inaccurate.
Yes. Stoic in victory would have been better.
Billy got knocked out by Louis both times they fought. Patterson has just about zero chance against Joe Louis.
To Me, Floyd Patterson was a light-heavyweight, end of story.
He won the Heavyweight Title twice. You didn't read the whole story, Ronnie
I agree. A heavyweight champion weighing in at 189 lbs? Wtf!?? It looked like two different weight classes. Floyd had no chance. I believe it was Muhammad Ali that said Sonny Liston was the hardest puncher he ever fought.
TheBatugan77 You don’t have to be so snitty, my friend. All Ronald Darby was saying is that Patterson had the physical dimensions of a light heavyweight. Translation: Patterson wasn’t a TRUE heavyweight. It is to his credit that he was able to fight & defeat opponents who WERE true heavyweights.
@@Crownd1_ Shavers.
@@Icyhotboo You're absolutely right. I stand corrected.
Floyd came into the ring like he was going to a Gallows!!
Patterson never had a chance
One thing I noticed is the weight difference is big, around 20 pounds between the two, is this normal these days?
Liston was always going to destroy Patterson the size differential is unlike no other just the fists alone where miles apart , Patterson is a light heavy compared to liston even Pattersons trainer never wanted any part of liston ,Liston was a monster even out his prime Ali was lucky he got a fragile broken liston ruled by the mob otherwise Ali would of been killed inside that ring , the way he demolishes a polished excellent fundamentally built fighter in Patterson is remarkable just sonny’s jab would put any normal man to sleep.
Floyd showed a lot of heart here.
He did, But it was all he had against Liston and it was no where near enough to cut the mustard
A 13 inch reach advantage!! Holy Shit!!! You see Patterson 'bob and weave' just like Tyson but without Tyson's power.
Cus D'amato trained Floyd Patterson and Mike Tyson that explains the similarity in their fighting styles
Patterson did have a Helluva left hook....
Liston had those freakishly long arms and boulder shoulders. Man was genetically built for slugging
Sonny would be champ today. Coming in low with that piston jab. He’d dismantle these guys.
He would put fury in the morgue and would have usyk wishing he'd never left ukraine
i remember hearing about this fight but i was only 12 yrs old so it's nice to see it now on video. i was aware of the fighters because my dad followed them. liston was so much bigger than patterson.
Great video got to watch the way that Sonny Liston uses his shoulders to push and pull and forearms and fists to push and pull
I remember, growing up on the Southside, listening to this bout on the radio with my dad. He had to explain to seven year old me why people who paid for tickets would be upset.
The last left hook at 9:01 was just filthy. He would have decapitated a mule with that punch.
Champ Paterson was my coach in 1991-1993 in New Paltz NY. He punched me with a medicine ball 10x and wasn't able to walk for 3 days. He was a gem and a gallant man.
"28 year old Sonny Liston?" Hell, Liston was at least 33 if he was day and probably older than that. Patterson enters the ring looking like a man about to ascend the scaffold. He ducked Liston for two or three years but once he got in the ring with him, he could not duck, he could not run and he could not bob and weave - all he could do was pray.
Yeah Liston was for sure in his early 30's,The guy had no birth date. Floyd can stick and move really nice but for this fight he needed a way harder hit.
For this fight, he needed a gun!
Steven Yourke Very true, He sure did.
According to Wikipedia Sonny Liston once gave an age indicating that he was born in 1928, and it appears he wasn't sure when he was born. If Liston was born in 1928 that makes him around 34 years old in this fight.
Sonny Liston certainly has power punches in this fight!
clip11 An interesting comment to make on Easter.
"28 years old" Sonny Liston while he was 43 😂😂 that will always have me
Good sportmanship by Liston. Was just too powerful. Weight and power really played a part here. Liston was built like Haseem Rahman. A Mack Truck
Liston at 214 wasn't big compared to today's heavyweights.
@@rfjohns1715 But he was very powerful and wide and could have demolished today's pretend HWs.
Floyd looked scared going in and Chris Schenkel is one of my favorite commentators.
sonny liston is the greatest heavyweight of all time!!!
Agree.
Two of my favorite top 10 heavyweights of all time
If Floyd Patterson were just a little bigger and had a jaw that was stronger, would he always have won? I wonder. Ali said Floyd Patterson was the most skilled boxer he ever fought.
Tom Traphagen If Floyd were bigger and better than he was, could he have beaten himself?
I find your comment more humorous than any answer I can come up with! 😊. Anyway, I think we agree Floyd was a great and dedicated man.
@@tomtraphagen1906 We do indeed agree. Floyd Patterson was an exciting fighter to watch and to root for. As a man he always seemed thoughtful and complex, in a profession that's generally portrayed as primitive and barbaric. It really wasn't his fault that Cus D'Amato as his manager refused to allow Floyd to fight the top competition during his championship reigns- until Liston. He was brave and he was proud. And he got up when knocked down. He didn't just lie there and count the money. He never threw a fight, and he never quit.
Liston was the most skilled boxer Ali ever fought. He also dove in both fights.
Yes your absolutely right. Ali did qoute that about Patterson..Most likely because of Floyd's speed.
That staredown from liston while the ref addresses both fighters is enough to scare anyone...also throughout the fight..not once did the ref have to step in to break up both fighters a simple "ok boys break it up" and they separated themselves...nowadays the ref has to force his way in between both boxers and pry them apart it just goes to show that discipline has totally gone out the window in today's world of boxing
That looked like it hurt. Sonny was an absolute monster.
As far as I can see Cus looks about the same here as he did when he had Tyson, full Grey head an d all...
Liston was the baddest man on the planet Tyson was just playing at it. Liston is a top ten heavyweight of all time. A man of his time and in his prime very very few would have beaten him . He would have had Marciano on toast for breakfast
Gaz Ismad , yeah, but Ali whip that ass 2x.
Liston never beat anybody. Marciano would have scrambled Liston's brains. See, Liston didn't like getting hit, and it showed against Clay. Marciano beats Liston by TKO. Liston never saw the day he beats Rocky. Ezzard Charles, who Rocky beat, was a better fighter than Liston. You don't know boxing. You are too easily impressed by big ugly guys.
Liston was a bully and exposed by Clay. He was never a threat for the title again.
True, Ardra. Clay showed that Sonny was just a paper tiger. Clay ended Sonny's pretense to greatness. @@ardradiva
Yeah, toast. Until he got hit, then Sonny would have no teeth to eat toast, or anything else.......
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Poor Patterson! Apparently, he met with President Kennedy at the White House and the Prez asked him, "So, when are you going to fight Sonny Liston?". Patterson had refused to fight Liston for years on the pretext that Sonny was a bad character and controlled by the Mob. But after Kennedy asked him that question, he felt obliged to fight Sonny even though his trainer, cus D'Amato told him flat out - "You can't beat Sonny Liston!". Of course, Cus knew what he was talking about but Patterson went and fought him anyway and got flattened like a fly hit by a sledge hammer.
+Steven Yourke I feel Sergio K. the light heavy crusher could have beat Paterson if they came in at the same weight. (Paterson fought at light heavy before moving up) I feel Sergio powerful jab would be effective in the same way Liston`s was, I feel his reach would have been too much for Floyd had they been born in the same year.
Steven Your Flattened like a fly with a sledgehammer!!! Lol!!!
Liston was still fighting 6 round fights when Marciano was champ. He was a nobody. His first big fight with a rated contender was in 1959, Mike DeJohn. You obviously don't know what you're taking about. I will say this, if Ali could put Liston down with a patty-cake phantom punch, Liston could never handle Marciano's power.
al cerillo Marciano made a living fighting old men and puffed up light heavy weights. Joe Louis was not just over the hill, he was under it. Ezzard Charles was a light heavy weight who could not punch. Archie Moore was a 50 year old light heavyweight who had Marciano down and the gave Marciano a tough fight. He got beat up by a 40 year old Jersey Joe before knocking a 40 year old guy cold. Marciano would have lasted one or two rounds longer than the Rabbit Floyd Patterson! Marciano was a super fighter when it came to beating up old men!!!!
@@Kinlow54 Not so sure. If Liston went down with that patty-cake phantom punch that Ali threw, I'd say Marciano had a good chance to take apart Sonny. You're confused, Moore was 48 years old when he fought Ali. He was 38, and won 21 in a row before when he fought Rocky. Rocky has never been dazed. I've seen Ali clobbered and dazed several times. Since Rocky only beats "old men" that means he'd have clean 45 year old George Foreman's clock too. Don Turner said Marciano was the hardest puncher he ever saw. Harder than Liston, Foreman, Shavers, etc. If you don't know who Don Turner is, educate yourself. It's never too late.
at 2:14 the announcer said Sonny weighed 214, couldn't have been that light. He looked about 240-250.
I watched this on "pay T.V.". Beforehand, there was a documentary on Floyd showing one knock out after another, certainly to build Floyd's image. By the time the bell rang, I didn't think Sonny had much of a chance. That's how convincing the Floyd clips were. Besides, I was a big Floyd fan. When Floyd went down, I was sure he'd get up. After all, he always did. When it was all over, I smelled fix. I didn't see the punch that finally put Floyd to sleep and there were no instant replays back then. It took the after fight films (and the return debacle) for me to understand what the obvious truth was. Floyd never had a chance.
Smart guy, your Grandfather.
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Sonny had a 13 inch reach and 30 pound weight as well as a height advantage on top of massive punching power. Too many advantages over Floyd. I think Sonny's when the real heavyweight division began.
I was not born when this fight happen. However, your story remind me when I watched Tyson fight against Lennox Lewis on PPV as I was fan of Tyson thinking he is GOAT and I was waiting for Tyson to knock out Lennox Lewis which never happen . After all Tyson got knocked out miserably .
That was a dirty shot by Liston. He pulled Pattersons head down with his right and gave him a nasty left hook/uppercut, as he was holding Patterson's head down with his right. You can't do that.
liston could have held the oldest man to win the title here if he gave them his real age
@WhiteEKKO He didn't even know his age, nor does anyone else!
189 pounds. Patterson would fight at light heavyweight today. Cut then rehydrate.
When Liston lost to Ali (I was 10 years old but a knowledgeable sports fan) I was shocked like everyone else. I thought Liston would knock Ali out cold. Even in the 2nd fight I thought Liston would win. Liston & myself came from the same background. Raised in the rural poor south and migrated to the city. He could've been a twin brother to my uncle.They had the same demeanor..scary!
Don't be too disappointed, both fights were fixed, I know this with absolute certainty. Had they really fought, I would give Ali 2 or 3 rounds the most before he went down and out.
@@MrMarco855 Sorry, Marco, not buying it. Ali's hands were just too quick for the camera and the human eye to see. I know this is hard to accept but it's true..
@@harrisonmccorkle6481 It's not hard to accept it's hard to believe. Your saying that you don't see Ali's hands when he punches because they're so fast? You're on another level in terms of exaggerating Ali's abilities. I see every punch he throws and I'm not blinded by emotion.
The fact is I've done much research looking for evidence and I found a lot. I don't need evidence for my sake, my eyes have informed me that Liston wasn't fighting at all in the 1st fight, in the 2nd fight he did a poor acting job and it's very easy to see a fix again. 2 fights, both ordered fixes by the mob. Liston otherwise was the best HW that ever lived.
@@MrMarco855
The Ali-Liston fights being fixed is about as wild of a conspiracy theory as the moon landings being fake. They have no proof and they have no evidence. Any evidence is selective or half hearted. The anchor punch also was seen on camera; it genuinely was so fast that you had to slow it down to see it. So, no, it was indeed a thrown punch that landed. Rocky Marciano & Joe Louis, two of the best punchers of all time, both said the punch had the power to knock Liston out (as Liston was moving directly into the punch, and was hit in the side of the head by it). Liston got unlucky and got knocked out. Maybe he could’ve gotten up, but he had no heart to do so. He was too prideful to accept a knockout unless he truly felt defeated. He was knocked down by the Louisville Lip in the first round, and simply lost all heart to continue, and stayed down. There wasn’t any fix. If it was fixed, there’d be more open evidence about it 60 years after the fight had occurred, but there isn’t. Only fringe conspiracies.
@@soundwavesuperior28 Have you ever researched for evidence? Everything you say is wrong. 100% wrong, you couldn't be more wrong.
Who would win, both in their prime, in a match between George Foreman and Sonny Liston?
The heavyweights of that era were sure small compared to now.
Irrelevant. Anybody with Liston's size and power would be destructive in any era. The HWs of today are pathetic in comparison.
189 pounds. Damn.
He'd be a light heavy or maybe super middleweight today, forget cruiserweight or HW.
And Marciano was even smaller.
About the size of Canelo the day of the fight.
What do you guys think of Marciano vs these two ?
Marciano would've knocked out Williams. Liston would've been a much tougher proposition. I would pick Liston on skills, punch & reach but Marciano on conditioning, endurance & desire! A hard call!
Marciano destroys Patterson. Liston might have been to big for Rocky.
Carl P a lot of people were much bigger than Rocky but he knocked them clean out . You think size is gonna stop Rocky marciano? Loooool
Liston would have probably knocked Marciano out. Huge reach advantage , great power, a good boxer. I could see Patterson stopping Marciano on cuts but I think That there is a good chance that Marciano would stop Patterson if he caught him .
Its not JUST the size Liston was one of the 4 or 5 hardest hitters ever.
And this is coming from a guy who says Marciano would have beat Joe Louis even when Louis was in his prime. Fights are about match ups of Style.
It looked like Liston had one hand free in the clench so he swung his free hand. When they separated, Floyd was messed up and Liston knocked him out.
Bad ref, Liston got away with some low shots and held Patterson while punching.
Still...Liston wasn't bothered by anything Patterson hit him with.
Patterson didn't look afraid as some people have said and moved well defensively, but Liston was just too big, strong and tough to overcome.
Patterson could have done better if his stage fright wasn’t so bad, he clearly has the ability to keep up with listen but he doesn’t take advantage of any of Listons openings
Patterson was a gutsy fighter, but he was way too light to be boxing as a heavyweight at this time in history. He was a perfect example of why the cruiserweight class was developed. As for this fight, his style was all wrong for Liston.
Sodnal He was slightly heavier than Marciano
Some nice hip punches on the referee’s blind side. Could see it taking its toil on Patterson.
$100 for a ringside seat------How times have changed!
No, only your misconception about economics.
Those two players were also deceased, and the crowd was almost deceased.
Yes, we all go just as quickly, enjoy it while you may.
3:40 Liston with 13” advantage !
I was 13 and remember listening to this fight on the radio
rickyt43515 I too was about your age and remember going to the theater with my father to watch the fight. In those days, the fights were shown via closed-circuit TV at selected movie theaters across the country. Ah, such memories. Has it really been 50+ years......
i think liston was greatest boxer ever
What drugs are you taking to make a statement like that
@@dicerollrenofromley3644 Just common sense.
all crowd was against sonny- sad...