A Better Rograkh & Tevesh | Rakdos Storm Combos & Turbo Ad Nauseam | MTG cEDH Commander Deck Tech
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
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Just won with this exact deck tonight. I’m new to c level play and I’ve watched this video probably a dozen times to get the hang of this deck. Thanks for all the work you put into your videos!
I like this list alot. I love how Rakdos has just enough interaction and value pieces to be able to keep up with blue/green, but ONLY if you time each very carefully
Nice list! I would love to start seeing example hands at the end of these videos maybe showcasing two different starting hands, your thoughts and rules for mulligans. It would really help those who don't have experience with these colors, type of deck, or who are new to the format.
Great content!
Duly noted. Come Brew Wars, you’ll get some of that 🤌 Till then, I always encourage gold-fishing these... Maybe a live stream going over decks would be fun? I feel like that would provide the best feedback 🤔
Going back and watching your old videos. You should work on a minsc and boo list. I think its up your ally!
Honestly, I could see playing Minsc & Boo, haha. Deck looks gross.
Worth noting that I believe you can also use reality scramble on necro to put an underworld breach in play or vice versa. Could be useful in certain situations :)
🤫 ... Other fun fact: permanent you “own” - remember that for when you get *Gilded Drake’d*
I'd love to see more deck techs, as I don't play cEDH but would love to see what is good and learn from them.
You should try cedh. Its a great community :)
Cracked the seal and bought A crypt while I was watching this. Through the link, of course. Thanks for the content, Patrick. It's very good.
Awesome! *Thank you,* haha. I really appreciate that. This is easily my favorite Rakdos list. So glad to hear you'll be rocking it soon! Enjoy this one.
I have a casual Ephara list that it legit just wanted to draw cards cuz I love drawing cards lol. This is right up my alley. I also needed a valid reason to pick up raza and grasp anyways so this works lmao
Just made a deck with tevesh and Roger this past week. This is perfect timing! Nice video!!
Nice! How’d yours turn out? I really enjoy this one, so far as designing a deck to cast Ad Naus/PITA is concerned.
Yeah, this build is making me rethink mine a bit! My build was also razaketh, and won through Kiki-Jiki... I wouldn’t call it “slow”, because I don’t think you CAN have a slower deck with Mr. Roger helping you out, but it feels a tad bit clunky and inconsistent. Also really lacking in interaction. Here’s the list I started with: www.moxfield.com/decks/4BgNLdGlekOA7HsdeFI8Hg
Haha, I had a separate deck idea for Tana & Tevesh called “Enter the Dragon,” utilizing Dragon Tribal and Kiki-Jiki as wins with minor stax. 🤔 May revisit that.
God dang it Pat. I was thinking of building a Magda list still but this reminds me of my Korvold list except I draw more cards. This looks so fun.
I don’t like Korvold that much 😅 Justin plays it and there are so many games where you’re simply top decking with a big Dragon that blocks, with one Land on T5 and little to no permanents on board... Jund adds nothing meaningful to this package, the “I’m going to win after Ad Naus” package, aside from a Veil of Summer. There’s no Legendary as consistent as Tevesh at drawing. Not that I’ve experienced.
PS-No offense to your Korvold. How the deck is piloted > over the list itself, haha. It’s recovery game has never been good and getting him out is a pain with his color pips (relative to a 4B draw engine).
@@LocalGameGroup I find that I end up drawing a lot with Korvold but the weaknesses you point out are pretty accurate. Most of the permanents are saced and converted into a card in hand.
I play a Food Chain list with a good amount of stuff to sac that gives value but I built my list to be more "mid-range" rather than turbo. For that reason, I end up drawing a lot of cards which reminded me of Tevesh. That's what excites me about your list, the similarity in having a card draw engine; except that Tevesh hands down will draw more and his pairing with Rograkh enables the list to turbo just like you showed in the video. Might have to build this one.
Been looking forward to this all week since hinted at in the Koll video!
Yeah! I’ve been enjoying this list quite a bit. Tevesh really is an all star draw engine. Looking to make a stax deck that functions similarly, with a different partner at the helm.
I love this deck! Hoping to find more budget friendly replacements to some super expensive cards I DONT have lol
Awesome brew! Thanks for the great content and inspiration.
Of course! Glad you enjoyed it. 🙇♂️
I have seen lists that run Chandra, awakened inferno to give everyone a "dot" that damages them each turn, then it runs world fire and underworld breach to cast world fire to win the game. it is pretty funny
YESSSSS I’ve been waiting to see this! Finally a rakdos deck that isn’t just a razaketh list that I want to play lol
Haha, I missed utilizing Raza. Alongside Tevesh, he’s excellent... Another line of play is dragging Raza out and grabbing *Final Fortune* (two creatures needed). With Tevesh, you’ll make the two creatures you need on that final turn. I don’t allude to it here, but Final is a major part of the strategy 👌
@@LocalGameGroup I’m curious where it falls into place here with final fortune.
This brew is as crisp as Budweiser.
🍻 Hope you're thirsty
Indeed I was, good sir. Cheers!
American beer is like having sex in a canoe, it is f***ing close to water.
Apparently EU Budweiser is better(?), couldn’t say though 🤷♂️
PS-I’m a fan of Bud... Most American beers 😅 Not too fussy with beer, mostly liquor.
@@LocalGameGroup The Czech Republic Budweiser is better, yes. Most beer from Czech Republic is good though. If you want to try a beer from Czech Republic Urquell should be pretty easy to find probably not too expensive either (should be the same price as other imported beers).
Sunday vid!
Correct me if I am wrong, but the main strategy of playing this deck is... Get value, However you get it, get 1 of 3 Peer, Necro, Ad Naus and draw as many cards as possible and then just play whatever play line that huge hand of cards gives you?
Or should I be going for a specific line 1st, plan-B, plan-C, ect...
Just trying to understand better the way you designed it to play.
I have built the deck and played a few games and have had no luck at all, but I believe in this deck! I'm sure I am just playing it wrong.
Is it...
Play whatever the board state & hand gives you or specific lines in a specific order?
1. Play for Tevesh T1/2, or 2. Play for PITA/Ad Naus, 3. Play out whichever combo line presents itself, 4. If Necro is made available, you *can* play for it (never recommended alongside/over PITA/Ad Naus here), 5. If you have a starting hand that simply presents a Breach/Grinding play line, than you play that. Keep practicing lines of play to find out which is best. Everything you need is laid out in this video.
I personally prefer filter WGD Anje, but this is a VERY nice rakdos list
Roger is the best commander ever printed
Love the thumbnail. Finally stopped reusing that one face for all your thumbnails haha
Yeahhh, had to happen eventually. I enjoy composing these latest ones.
So this is wonderful. I’d love to play something like this in a more mid level game too lol
It plays real well into anything. Fast, draw cards, win by drawing more cards, haha. You’ll enjoy it 🤌
@@LocalGameGroup yeah I’m trying to make it slower so I can play it with lower power level decks lol
Btw I absolutely am having a blast with the deck
love this deck tech it is such value sacing rograkh to tevesh
Yeah! Have you been playing it? It’s extremely addicting to mulligan/throw down with Rog/Tevesh. Absolutely my favorite Rakdos list to date.
I just wanted to specify if anyone missed it, but the Reiterate + Lightning Bolt loop isn't just a board clear, it is infinite damage to players. Also you don't need your commander out for Reiterate + Jeska's Will to draw your deck, bc when you have infinite mana you can start copying Jeksa's will for the "draw" effect until you find a win.
When you copy a spell you copy the mode(s) selected for that spell (Rule 706.10 for clarity). Also, I’m implying destroy your enemies there... I think if the viewer couldn’t figure that out, maybe play a different deck 😅
@@LocalGameGroup I forgot about the copy an choose effect rule. NVM about the Jeska's will thing. XD
Ruling Q: when playing praetors grasp and taking a card with a different color identity from yours, can you still play/cast it?i think not, right?
Your starting deck’s Identity need be within your colors, but you’re more than able to take/play cards in opposing colors.
This is not a YoYo tutorial but I’ll still watch
Doubtful you need one 🪀 “99” Yo-yo’s soon to come.
Shifting shadows.
Turn 1 rograkh enchant with shifting shadows for 3 mana
Turn 2 sac rog drag razaketh into play, cast tevesh
You can add it if you like. I don’t like broadcasting my intent(s) beforehand, but I’d rather *Transmogrify* first.
Yeah thats a thing i gues saw the card and got hyped 😅
Great deck absolutly love it
what about running Thoughtseize over Imp's Mischief?
. can be used preventively to get rid of a counter and is "safer", if you see they have two counters for example
. can be used proactively to drop Razaketh on the grave
. can be used proactively if opponent tutors
. has a lower cmc for your ad naus line
1. Knowledge is nice, a redirect at Instant is better
2. You'll never need to do this. There's only *Reanimate* in the deck. You'll hard cast before a reanimate line is necessary (you can use *Faithless Looting* alternatively)
3. If you play this list, you are the aggressor. If someone tutors, it's not a concern for you. Think "greedier"
4. 2 > 1 is negligible loss and as stated, *Peer into the Abyss* should be your priority in this list
You sold me at degenerate lol. My friends HATE my tymna rograhk deck lol
I built it too lol I swap out sire for master of cruelties and blightsteel commander for spice sometimes
How well does this deck function on a moderate budget? I can't afford the RL cards, but been looking for a Rakdos colored list for cEDH. How does this deck compare to the other cEDH options like Anje, Grenzo, etc?
On a budget just do anje
"It costs you nothing..." 😃
"...extra..." 😭
Start by ordering those Dual Lands 🤑
Link to decklist? I may sub out kraum for this pairing.
It’s in the description, but it’s right here as well: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-better-rograkh-tevesh/
@@LocalGameGroup thanks Patrick
Also, obviously with this list we are hungry for "on the stack" interaction and/or/in combination w/ dealing with/leveling the playing filed w/ Blue..... Why not use "Burnout" and/or "Artifact Blast"?
Artifact Blast is a very narrow card you need to have in hand when you have to counter the best artifact card. Abrade is better since it is more versatile as it will kill most of the creatures in cEDH. Burnout is a bit expensive as it only works as a counter counter spell. Most of the time you will probably only use it as protection.
I’ll defer to Tupiaz here. ☝️ Redirects are the closest you’ll get to counters - outside the obvious Tibalt/REB/Pyro - and this list is using all the viable ones.
Could you fill me in on the purpose of adding "Unmarked Grave"? Raz is legendary so I am missing the purpose. Thanks!
Every other card that’s non-Legendary. 👌 It’s an Underworld Breach deck, not a Razaketh deck.
@@LocalGameGroup I feel stupid now. I wasn't thinking correctly reading the card. I LOVE the deck though. Here are a couple more likely very dumb questions... So what is at the top of your priority list to unmarked grave, whatever combo piece may be missing from Breach line, ex: Mana crypt/lotus petal/grinding station?
Secondly, I've seen this question asked a couple of times, but seems to have been ignored or skipped over... Are there any budget options that are obviously not as efficient, but still playable at a high level, for big dollar cards such as mox diamond,LED, mana crypt, mana vault, wheel of fortune, ect.. ?
Thank you for what you do!
Thank you for this deck!
And thank you for answering my stupid questions!!!
It really seems like this deck is amazing at turboing, but can definitely grind in the long game for sure
Yeah, I generally just play for Tevesh. Build my board, hand... Let someone kill Tevesh (after drawing 9-15 cards) and push for the game mid-game. It’s very fun to manipulate, and nothing grinds better than Tevesh.
@@LocalGameGroup I can definitely see that haha. I’m honestly really looking forward to building this for my own meta
Your Rakdos lists always terrify me. Are you sure you weren't a carnival servant of Lord Rakdos in another life? You certainly seem to take pleasure in your opponent's pain 😂
Haha, I do enjoy the degeneracy of this deck. I try not to build for “this” strategy - solely playing Ad Naus or PITA - but had to make one list that accelerated at this plan. Utilizing a Scramble play line cuts out the chaff and allows me to play meaningful interaction, so I don’t feel as “degenerate” as some of these greedier builds. Definitely my favorite in Rakdos 🤹♀️
Soo... now I have to figgure out how to make this list work for my non cEDH playgroup 😅
Haha, hmm... Maybe remove the Breach lines and focus on the Reiterate lines? It’s tough to win without the combo lines 🤔
Can this work on a budget?
Was thinking of making Orah clerics stax with Phyrexian/Ashnods Altars as a way to break parity. I don't think it'll be Cedh level but a solid 8/10 if I max it out.
I kinda prefer Kambal for B/W, as his static effect shuts off storm, but that's a personal take... Orah seems alright, but Cleric tribal? That's tough, haha.
What color in commander needs the most improvement and why... is it white?
😭
I would say it is blue. It is way too unbalanced and needs to be improved to be more balanced in response to the harmony of the colorpie. Each time WotC is in doubt they have made the correct mana cost they should add U to the mana cost. 🙃
Green needs help 😂
Not even Eternal Witness can bring it back now.
How does the Burnt offering Reiterate line generate infinite mana, don't you have to sacrifice the creature?
*Reanimate* + *Razaketh* + *Burnt Offering* = 8 Mana/8 Life Loss
To my knowledge, since sacrificing the creature is part of the casting cost, then every copy of burnt offering will generate 8 Mana and cost 8 life.
“As additional” only counts on the initial cast, afterwards the spell on the stack remembers the cost being paid (see Wort, the Raidmother deck tech). It works, no worries, I would not lead you astray: you only need Reanimate Raza the once... *or* simply start with the req. 6 mana to pop off with this.
@@LocalGameGroup thank you, I just misunderstood how Burnt offering worked, I didn't see it was "as an additional" thought sacing was part of the resolution
@@LocalGameGroup funnily enough when I got the notification I was looking into it myself because the way I read it meant it was a huge oversight and the deck just wouldn't work, which seemed out of character for this channel. Thank you for clarification, definitely building a variant of this list
Razaketh will always be razacats to me, even if there arent any leonin lines
More like “Rogaketh” here, what with his Kobold self serving only to summon the demon. 👹
Nice. I wasnt into tevesh at first but i am all in now
Is there a reason you don't have multiple basic lands?
*Tainted Pact*
Blue, needs lifegain lol
I thought you were going to say "what color needs the most help and why is it White?" Lol.
You dont think its worth running defense grid in this list?
It’s not worth running *Defense Grid* ever (only a slight exaggeration). I’m not fond of it here... In a linear deck like Godo, yes. The complexity of the lines make a *Defense Grid* less appetizing. If I’m using Tevesh to draw for a winning condition, top decking Grid would simply aggravate me.
There is a Pir/Toothy in my playgroup.
I want to eat Toothy.
Live. That. Dream.
Tooting your “horn” ;)
Using reality scramble and divergent transformations and the likes of... Why not use "Transmogrify"?
Reality can be cast from the graveyard if countered. Divergent cost the same as Transmogrify but also removes one of your opponents creatures. Transmogrify is the worst of the three. I'm guessing you rather just want to tutor for one of the two rather than play with a third version. However it could also be a preference of style.
Scramble > Any Polymorph, but Transmogrify is close... 3R makes it more accessible, but the lack of Retrace hurts it - as sometimes you Entomb it to begin the combo - however, Divergent is a different beast entirely. “Instant” speed cannot be understated. You’re able to go overtop of someone else’s attempted win to bring out Razaketh and tutor (provided you have Creatures to sacrifice). Using Divergent after a big counter war to sac a singular creature for *Final Fortune* could mean you won the game. Divergent seems bad because you’re giving an opponent a thing, but in decks not designed for Polymorphs/Scrambles, they will not see the same value as you. Also, if concerned, hit two Thrull. 🤷♂️ You only need two of these in the list and these are the best in Red (and in the game).
*sly look*
"Set of games"