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Introducing the new Havoc by MySuperEbike, the fastest electric motorcycle designed for both city commuting and off-road adventures! This powerful machine boasts instant electric torque and a 75-mile range, delivering 30kW of peak power with zero emissions. Packed with features like a 4kW built-in charger, advanced Nucular controller, and regenerative braking, Havoc offers exhilarating rides with minimal maintenance. Check out this review to see why the Havoc is a top choice for DIY enthusiasts and electric motorcycle / ebike fans alike!
00:00 building from start to finish
01:37 comments lead to UPGRADES!
07:29 charging
09:38 test 1
12:54 suspension
15:50 test 2
18:41 test 3
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It's a great project we'll done. As a motorcycle mechanic for over 40 yrs I'd like to point out a couple of things. The shock is losing around 30% of it travel when you sit on it. It should have sag but nowhere near that amount ( it's not a mtb) Whoever said the rake is to steep is right. It might be worth getting a frame designer it to take a look at it. Just my opinion
Like I said before well done that took a lot of hard work to get it where it is.
Impressive 👏👏👏👏 the only thing that is missing is Margaret. I'm missing videos that showing your building projects.
i love it, i think it's mostly perfect. id like to add my suggestions to the subframe assembly, specifically.
1- while still retaining your 18/21 wheels, have a Small Medium and Large subframe option. keeps the seat in the same forward to back position, just adjusts the up and down geometry by about an inch each. 34, 35, and 36 inches would be about right. use the same four mounting bolts for all for all three subframes.
2- extend the subframe out a bit farther, to have the ability for a small luggage rack behind the rider. if the bike is positioned as a commuter, you need to have the option to carry more than the storage compartment inside the subframe will offer. wearing a backpack on a bike sucks. this will also offer a bit better mud and rain protection when getting slung off the back wheel onto your back.
3- the storage box inside the subframe could have panels that attach to the outside edge of the tubing, vs inside, so you can take advantage of that extra space?
4- i would consider a slightly longer/wider/thicker seat for all day comfort. and possibly a bit bigger rear taillight for better visibility to cars behind you.
experience: 2013 Honda CRF250L owned since new, 80,000 km ridden 70% dirt and mountain roads, street, trail, single track, enduro, mini adventure riding, moto camping, multi day multi week multi country rides
Not sure if the shock can handle it, but a tandem seat would be nice (it could be sold as an option or an add-on). Another option would be a seat+rack option or a rack add-on). Also, for adjustability, you could add 2-4 extra mounting holes to all 4 mounting points of the seat (maybe with silicon plugs to use in the holes not in use)
As you move the subframe lower down the frame, you’ll increase the reach to the bars. They just need to offer subframes with different bends for different sized riders
Looks really cool!
Considering you'd like it to be comfortable for tall people, it would be nice to have an adjustable seat. The frame for the seat looks simple enough, that it might have a "slide-able" extensions, to move the seat a little further, which can be adjusted on the go, depending on who's driving or what terrain they drive in.
We needed a quick hello from Margaret 😭😭 We missed you guys. Great bike 👌👏🏼👏🏼
The front part of the seat needs to be slimmer to allow”sitting on the “tank” and performing aggressive cornering off-road. The seat may need to continue up to the handlebars more.
For off-road riding you need to be able to move all the way forward and far back. Maybe have an optional off-road seat?
YES
Just manufacture different subframes with different seat heights and size them like one would with a bicycle purchase.
The mounting points for the subframe would remain the same and you won’t sacrifice suspension travel or the advantage of larger diameter wheels.
Cheap easy fix
Was going to say exactly the same thing, as it seems like the simplest and easiest option for shorter riders. There’s plenty of negative space below the current seat, so can’t see a reason not to go down the route.
Motorcycles sell with one seat height, I don’t think we’ll go this route. All the accessories we plan won’t fit and we would create massive variety of sizes, shapes and options.
@@ladiandmargaret At least my advice cost you nothing 😂
@@ladiandmargaret well some do sell with thinner seats, but most don’t simply because the packaging doesn’t allow for it as there simply isn’t room for a lower position. Also most bikes aren’t built so that even a 6’2" person would struggle to flatfoot it like yours. You have acres of empty space underneath your seat frame, so you could make a lower seat frame as a cost option. Weird you can’t see that honestly. If these ever take off in significant volume, guarantee an aftermarket manufacturer would be churning out lower seat frames.
my thoughts exactly. just have a Small Medium and Large subframe option. keeps the seat in the same forward to back position, just adjusts the up and down by about an inch each id imagine. 34, 35, and 36 inches would be about right. use the same four mounting all for all three subframes
The storm you were facing at 10:06 had a wall cloud from a super cell storm called the Mesocyclone. A low hanging cloud in the storm that can cause rotation and tornadoes. Cold, dry air colliding with warm moist air creates instability causing wall clouds. In mountainous locations these results are less likely. With no mountains, in the plains the chances are higher for more wall clouds, severe storms. Gorgeous storms.
Bring back Margaret please. Love to see you both.
cute to
Really beautiful man, Congrats. Keep the good work
Why not fill the empty space in the middle with cargo storage for hunting or camping trips or even more battery power for extended range
I agree. We are only 2 people for the development. It all takes time to do things right.
5 seconds to 62 mph...Thats crazy. I want one.
It’s great to see you have returned to the subject with such enthusiasm, Ladi. You are a great designer. 👍👍👍
The magnetic door was a great ideia
That is the perfect ebike !! you're genius man!!
You should move the controller towards the steering assembly. I would go as close as you can. Otherwise the wheel will kick rocks at it and damage those beautiful black fins. If you have it near the steering assembly, and still on the bottom of the battery housing, you'll still get a pretty direct air flow for cooling but the wheel guard will protect it from any rocks the wheel kicks up.
We have the charger in the upper position. There are other more important benefits in having the controller there
Every bike video needs to mention where Margaret is. (Bury it in the middle so people have to watch the whole video!)
We miss you, Margaret!
Awesome. If only I could financially support this project, even pre-order. I'd use this great commuter
Looks awesome! But how much suspension travel is there in the rear? Doesn't look like much at all. Could the top of the shock mount be extended to fit a longer shock?
The built-in charger is a must. I find it crazy that all ebikes don't come with it. It could probably prevent a lot of fires by ensuring the proper charger is being used.
❤❤❤Your work is amazing. I wish you and your team success
With speeds more than 100km/h you’ll want to consider motorcycle brakes, more expensive yes, but a lot safer in commuter riding. Keep up the good work!
I agree. That’s why we already use motorcycle brakes.
@@ladiandmargarethonestly I’d take it a step further and say that there are plenty of ways you could get away with using bicycle brakes on a build like this. It doesn’t make sense to do, but you could always put 3 calipers on each brake disc
No, that’s more expensive solution with less braking power.
@@aaronhambek6362 that would just put too much heat into the rotor.
I have just a couple of questions that I didn't see answered yet:
Will there be any DIY plans available for those of us who want to build one ourselves but customized for our tastes/preferences?
Does the onboard charger have the smarts to connect to AC EV chargers (reading max current) (multi voltage 120, 208, 240)?
What is the suspension travel amount for the rear tire?
At what speed is the stated range of 75 miles taken? What about at 65 mph?
Loving the project 👍
It's so awesome of you to make your employee shine like you made him shine.. I would love to work for you :)
ABS breaking would be helpful with this kind of speed. Amazing to see how Pawel has developed. That's a great success story!
Your bike is impressive but it is nothing compared to the job you have done with mentoring Pavel.
Job very well done on both counts.
Thanks for the share.
The seat bracket can let you do so many custom options. A lower seat and some further reaching back motorcycle handlebars. Give a bit more of a bobber seating style. Probably want some sort of fender flares, also those wheels look a bit small compared to the bike. Overall this bike is so cool! Great videos :)
Love the stance of the bike and the width of the handlebar not to mention the upright seating position. It looks intimidating at first sight but watching you ride it impresses me.
Been missing your videos! Glad to see you guys back on. The bikes look fantastic fun but for UK public road riding, they'd need to be registered & the rider needs a motorbike licence. Would be great fun on private land.
It’s very easy to legalize in the UK and many of our customers have already done that.
It can be done single vheicle approval i looked into doing it with lmx 12 bolt converter and adding brake lights and indicators
That's really interesting. Will have to have a look at this. As I am interested in one👍🏻
Planning a seat configuration for 2? You guys are amazing creators across the board! Cant wait to see more on the 2nd story of the shop!!!
Very Nice, ive been impressed with your biulds since day 1, your {You's} are a smart little team in a market thats just impressing me every week it seems with new ebike technology i honestly cant imagine what we will be riding around 10years from now as i have a new controller coming for my DownHill 72v SantaCruz build today which for a bike that soaks up the bumps cracking 80kms pretty fkn quik iss insane any body that i let ride it blow out and ive had motorbikes since 7yrs latest fast cars , bikes and skis so takes a bit to impress me performance wise and i just cant wait to fit and test new controller can make or break a machine love your brains and charger set up and would love to get one to Sth Australia
to awesome
Clivey getting
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you could have the seat frame pivot on the top two mounting point and mechanically lock onto the bottom ones so its easy to flip up. actually could have it pivot and come completely off, so you could swap it without any tools. just a thought
I LOVE IT!!!
Just a thought: Where the rear tire support attaches to the center of the bike; At that point you could attach the rear/bottom seat attachment point, which would provide a stronger seat support and less stress on the battery bank housing. Again just a thought as esthetically it may not be as pleasing to the eye as your current design. Still, it would strengthen your design.
Thanks. It does not need more strength so better design is preferred😀
This is sick!
I've been watching your videos for a long time, thank you very much.
I got long Covid, and during the Covid lockdown I had my B-52 Bomber Bike stolen.
I built this bike before the Ebike surge and before Covid and I loved riding it.
When I showed the video of the bike being stolen, to the police, they said, "sorry we can't help you".
So anyway, to make a long story shorter.................. Thanks for building the idea I had for my next bike.
By the way, I haven't even finished watching this video yet,
But there's a bike out there called "Ranger".
It has an adjustable seat that works with a pneumatic tube, and it works on the fly.
Anyway great job on the bike.
I want one please.
Thank you very much again. Have a good day.
Namaste.
doug
I love it, my only concern would be my legs and in particular my knees around those yellow bars especially in an accident or on a really bumpy trail, this could probably be addressed with padding etc so not really a big problem, great work, goes like a rocket!
Knees are bellow the bars.
Thanks for all the vids you've made. Have to say, currently, the channel feels like it's all about selling bikes rather than more balanced combination of vanlife, home creation videos. I'd like to see what is happening in the building projects. You've clearly started to add the 2nd floor to the warehouse home... 4 of the last 5 videos are about selling the cyberbikes.
We currently don’t have anything else to make videos about. Past 6 months we’ve been developing havoc and we are very proud of it. The building is under construction but it takes months to collect enough content worth one video.
Nice built! 1 thing I would suggest is to reposition the rear brake lever from left hand to right foot to get closer experience of riding full size motorcycle. Looking forward to see the final product.
Absolutely amazing sir, I'd like to learn from you. I'd be glad if you consider adding fenders to it to shield tires' dirts. Love from Nigeria🇳🇬
I would coppy this if I had the equipments. man, thats beautiful bike
Height suggestion, give 3 or more locations directly downward, say 25mm (roughly 1in.). That would be 100 to 125mm height adjustment without losing the suspension height.
Also, dual front disk brakes
Why not using plates with 3 inline holes for mounting the seat frame in different heights. Changing wheel size and or suspension would change geometry ...
What about a rear fender? In the wet weather, mud or other fluids you may ride through, it may be necessary 💩. (Depending on what major u.s. city you may be riding in.) Great work, Sir. Thank you for sharing this with us. It shows that you put your blood, sweat, and tears into all of your builds. Keep up the good work. Quality is important to you and it shows.
Thanks. Yes, mudguards are important. We finished them this week👍
what software is being used at 15:25? is it just autocad?
There is space for 2nd battery so why not make a dual battery option for double the range?
Nice!
Not that i know how to do it, but, maybe a way to easily unlock and turn the handle bars sideways would be great, this way it's a thin package, no handle bars sticking way out.
You'd only need a comparatively small gap/bay to put them in.
There should indeed be a compartment under the seat, for helmet and chain to be able to lock your bike up to something at the very least.
And if you make those with EU plugs, oh yeah.
Great product. Seriously. Some small ideas for you.
For seat adjustability: It seems that the seat is connected to the chassis by four bolt points. Couldn't you create some threaded holes at lower heights? If there is a structural limit for the attachment points, then an optional seat frame which slopes to a lower point.
Since this is a bike for the modern age and beyond, it should have built in discreet cameras. Full 360 degrees and maybe even more, like helmet/rider POV. This will enhance insurance liability as well as theft control, so build in streaming to a cloud server or a social media platform. This and a LoJack will discourage theft.
You're awesome, keep up the great work!
Why is the seat height taller than EVERY large Adventure Touring motorcycle, including BMW R1250GS Adventure, KTM 1290 SAR, Triumph Tiger Rally, and Ducati Multistrada V4S? That's an insane decision. Why not build the seat mounts into conduit tubing, with lock-off for a huge infinitely variable range of adjustment, providing a unique selling point over an actual motorcycle? If you don't recognize (as per all the similar comments) that it is a problem, then IMHO you're in the Sales Prevention business.
This seat height was our mistake. Standard seat height is 950mm
@@ladiandmargaret The standard seat height of an R1300GS AHC is 820 mm. 130 mm lower, on the big 1300. It is a cool design, and I applaud what you are doing, I'm a big EV fan (Rivian R1T, Tesla M3P). But from a business sense perspective, I suggest you rethink the height, as it seriously alienates/precludes anybody less than 6ft tall from riding it. In other words, the R1300GS isn't the biggest-selling large-capacity motorcycle in the world for nothing.
Sure, we’ll make the seat adjustable.
Agreed unthought the seat was high as well.
Not everyone is vertically challenged like you
Superb bike bro....😊
What about drilling 4 more holes and reposition your yellow seat frame down. It would be the simplest in my humble opinion. You could add a gel seat and add a little height to it and shape, then add more seat frame positions.
We have no issue with the seat. What exactly are you proposing?
@@ladiandmargaret they are referring to height adjustability. I commented something similar.
I see
Love the bike. In the past I bought your plans and built your first bike. My battery went bad though so I have not ridden in in a couple seasons. To much 0-70mph pulls!(200amp controller with 3.5t motor) Anyway I agree the seat needs more adjustability. I would not want the tire size to besmaller and sacrifice top speed. Maybe play with the shock length as you said. Also I'd make different seat frame options or make it adjustable somehow. I'm 5.5 ft tall with a short inseam unfortunately. Did some measurements and I'd need about 800ish MM tall seat height or less. Looking to upgrade. I appreciate the time you have spent on the prototype. I'm looking to upgrade if it I can actually fit on the bike. All the best to you and Margaret!
@@ladiandmargaret you said you wanted to do something different for shorter people. Maybe I'm mistaken, Sorry
Wow nice
Very please to see a good concept electric bike which could be a fantastic daily ride (beside my old FJR which could be part time retied after 21 years and 140 000km) I will definitely keep an eye on your progress:)
Hello Ladislave, I'm really impressed about your work/projects. What about CE certification for European market? Did you perform the research and analyses? As far as I know, some of these electical parts belongs to that certification. (Certifikát shody "CE" pro obchodování na evropském trhu)
Just add additional mounting holes for the seat frame for shorter riders
Being customers will be charging from random locations, you may want to add a thermal/temperature sensor to the plug end in case of pulling more power than the socket could handle and automatically regulate amount of power being pulled from the wall socket to prevent fire or damage.
It won’t cause fire! It would trip the socket breaker in the worst case.
@@ladiandmargaret if the place you are charging from is properly wired which I can't say for all places, only most.
It’s a very small chance some sketchy places are not properly wired! Certainly not on public places!
What size sprocket are you using on the motor? What size on the rear tire?
Very nice design....I like it
Amazing project well done. Also just your entrepreneurial mindset, it is very rare to witness this. On another note, 113 km/h, is the front break not a bit to small for speeds like this. I have no clue, i can only compare to my motorbike (Honda Africa Twin) which has to big front breaking disks. The foot rests also look like they are a bit narrow (close to each other). So only these two points from me, nothing campared to you have designed this great e-bike. I know it is a much bigger job that people think. Looking forward to see the final product.. 🙂
Love the bike it looks awesome! I would be doing more on road riding so 17inch supermoto wheels is the first thing I will change to. If you test it in that configuration so your future customers will have an idea how it will work.
I’m excited to see super moto myself! I don’t think changing rims and tires can prove any less performance!
And I also like it when it narrows in the area of the steering column to increase the turning radius.
Big turning radius was a big goal of mine and out of all the bikes we currently offer this one has the biggest radius.
@@ladiandmargaret
It is necessary that the steering column looks similar Surron
Why? Surron is one of many bikes
@@ladiandmargaret
Because its frame tapers to the steering column, and it won't hurt you in your project.
I found surron has 46 degrees steering angle. I measured havoc, it’s 45. Steering angle was a big consideration for me. I had bikes with small angles and it becomes very cumbersome in tight situations. Big angle and reverse is super dynamic combination!
Any chance you could post links to the motor, charger, and controller? I'd like to research them
@ladiandmaragret how much power is the bike making and when? Because 30kW is absolutely insane for an ebike but it says 10kW continuous and while still fast, I have a bike like that and it’s not anything crazy
Привет из Одессы!)))
Очень круто и современно.
Интересный проект!
Удачи!
Laďo ty jsi fakticky zvíře. To je fakticky úlet. Slintal jsem nad Cyberbikem ale tohle je mimo realitu. (Edgar - mixopumpa) 😅
Diky :)
Just put an hub engine at back while you ride the battery will charge so unlimited charging. New subscriber here in the Philippines
That is not how physics work.
Could you put a second set of lower mounting points on the frame for the seat frame to bolt to? About 2 inches lower for shorter people should work with minimal cost.
Would love to be the first person in the UK to test and review one and buy one .
Now is a good time
Save the Light 🔺Congratulations Brother
I agree for shorter people lowering the seat would be a much easier way and should be an option. I do not want to sacrifice ride height with a smaller Tire and suspension.
Dope bike!! How much will this one cost
you can use the seat frame to make a more suitable cargo space.
I‘d be interested in such a bike, but for that I would need it to be accepted to run officially on streets in G, CH or F. I bet it would require stronger breaks. And, lower seating position … this is even higher than my BMW GS … for no obvious reason. So make available two versions: one for 170cm (you do want to tap the women market as well!!) and one for 185cm. Keep going!
That frame style would be perfect for the pouch cells. Imagine a 96v 300ah battery pack for that bike. INSANITY, but its doable with that frame style.
Good for pouch cells but not good for 21700? It was designed around a particular battery configuration. 92V, 400A!
Front fairing might increase range, with less drag.
cool project. keep in mind that alot of countries these need to be registered to be ridable. double mirrors and turn/brake lights are often a requirement for that
Yes
I'm curious to know temperatures: motor , battery , controller, etc. I like your idea of overbuilding. Think about how they build a fighter jet to be extremely durable. Maybe your bike will be the A10 Warthog of electric bikes, minus the massive gun of course.
Hi. I'm from Russia. As for the installation of the more powerful QS138 engine, it is very low for enduro forest roads, and we also need a shield under the engine to protect the engine - and I will forgive you to fix this in the second series of releases by raising the engine installation higher. Otherwise, it's a perfect bike.
We already have skid plate prototype installed on this version.
There is an awesome potential for a travel pack to fit into the seat frame (just in front of the rider)
hermosa, le mejoraría el asiento y le pondría un espacio de almacenamiento entre los caños que sostienen el sillín
Don't forget the chain guard too.
Havoc? Will your next build be Kayotic (from Chaos).
Reminds me of Muffy's 6 kittens born in the workshop, '86. Three were klumsy polydactyls. Named the tabbies Kayos & Havoc, the B&W Panda(monium). Kept Kayos who lived 18 years.
Seat Height. Could you keep the top tube the same and then the lower tube adjustable? Allowing the seat height to be adjustable.
It’s possible
Excelent men!!!!!⚡⚡⚡⚡🚀🚀🚀🚀💪💪💪💪👍👍👍👌👌👌
need some more motocross style mud guards on it. other than that, it's epic
I’m not going to use motocross mudguards. It’s not motocross bike.
I worry about how that 3d printed charge door will hold up over time. Sun and weather isnt friendly to PLA. I also hope for some actual seat height adjustablilty, rather than having to rely on smaller wheels and cutting the already very loaded suspension to get the bike a little lower.
EDIT: also does this have any regenerative or engine braking? if so, how does that feel through a chain drive system? is there a suddent jerk where the tension of the chain has to change direction?
Don’t worry, we don’t use PLA. Regen works well, no jerks at all.
motor (and possibly the ESC) needs an impact shield, maybe make that a bolt-on option?
We already have a prototype shield.
Will tis be street legal or just for off roading? TY!
Street legal
I think a flexible rollup solar panel is called for to help with range anxiety.
I don’t think so unless you have multiple days to spare
Is it a good weather only commuter? I see a lot of problems in the rain apart from getting dirty as heck... It's for sure a fast bike but their is still a lot of room for improvements until it becomes a real commuter. Any plans to sell it EU wide..?
We already sell in EU. We finished mudguards already so all weather bike.
@@ladiandmargaret Thanks for the reply. Is there also a street-legal version? I'm in Germany and it's usually difficult to ride something like this officially on the street. There are the Surrons but they're all too small for me cause I'm 1.85m tall and weigh alomst 100kg.
Which brakes are installed? Somehow i feel the braking power is not good enough for the weight. Go and try out motorbike brakes if you have not already.
To convince better i think a gps top speed would be more accurate than reading from nucular as you can set it up however you wish.
I love the extended seat, it needed to be done. I have built an super ebike style stealth bomber with 4,3kWh battery and ofc now a days it is running nucular 24F. I have magura mt7 pro and maguras floating disks mdr-p and the braking power is not good enough to be safe. Atleast on the front you need something big and thicc disk, and a system with DOT fluids.
I am about to make a new build soon. Is there a way to get a frame only? Does the frame work with bike front fork suspension or motorbike suspension?
You are using bicycle brakes, that’s why you don’t have enough brake power. We only use motorcycle brakes and suspension.
I’ve ridden motorcycles in the past. I had ninja 636 and gsxr 750. I’m convinced the gps can’t be as accurate as rpm reading.
@@ladiandmargaret indeed i am, and i should not. I wish i would have known that 3yrs ago. Thats why it would be time to upgrade to the new frame :)
Maybe you were gentle when performing front brake test and the result did not speak for itself. Thank you for clarifying it. Great choise to go with mc brakes.
Having gps and rpm both on side would not hurt. However. Awesome job! Love your videos and builds. They inspirate me to work with my own dream.
Any future plans to make it road legal in europe? there is the biggest market and biggest market gap. the currently only road-legal bike that is something like this is the ultrabee or stormbee. However you need to keep it light too. or you won't be competing to any of those.
Of course, the legislation is just expensive so we need finances to pay for it. The weight 105kg is bellow motorcycles in this category so I think we did well with weight.
Great little commuter/toy. Is the charger compartment waterproof?
Yes, that was a big requirement
This is amazing, so many practical uses. Can the motor be restricted to a lower max speed?
Yes it can.
Can we add extra battery or add
That big gap is perfect for a storage unit!
Exactly. Very big storage!
Nice bike! What's the holdup with EU street legalization btw, is it missing components or that it needs to pass expensive tests? (Looking still at building my own of your earlier models and wondering if it's possible to make those EU legal eventually)
It’s expensive. We’re starting the kickstarter campaign soon, hopefully people will finance it!
@@ladiandmargaret Figured it couldn't be so simple! I think for my purposes, offroad mayyyy suffice, ngl I just really like the CyberBike look ! We'll see how finances fare ;)
now do a supermoto version this would be so rowdy and should be able to keep up with 450s
Nice