I'm surprised you didn't bring this up, though it may be nothing. Rob Lucci and Who's Who are wild cats, while Kuro is a house cat. Indicating not only his weakness by comparison, but his willingness to adopt a domesticated lifestyle as well. I was also thinking that his sword finger technique might be a style he devised to compensate for his inability to use finger pistol.
Yes! I wanted to include their feline connection, but the video ended up longer than expected. But I hadn't even considered that Kuro's trademark claws might be a supplement for Shigan!
@@TheCrapCafe_ Another thing I find interesting is Kuro's recent cover story. He's reading a book titled "heritage" and there are 3 cats pictured in the scene. 2 are elevated, while the other looks up from below. My takeaway from this is that Kuro gained his position through inheritance, while Lucci and Who's Who got theirs through merit. Him reading this "heritage" book implies a sort of introspection on his part. And it's cleverly disguised, as heritage brings our minds immediately to the plot Kuro devised to rob Kaya of her inheritance. Thus the book doesn't seem particularly out of place. The only mystery that remains is the identity of Kuro's CP agent parent. I'm definitely going to ruminate on this some more.
@@TheCrapCafe_ I have ruminated. I believe the main CP agent we see in the Ohara flashback, the one who activates the buster call, is Kuro's father. They both have a widow's peak, similar eyes, eyebrows, foreheads, and hair color. The big difference is that the father has a big square (like literally square) chin. A nice 1st generation chin. His son, Kuro, has a more rounded and soft appearance. A narrower, more feminine nose and jawline. ... wait that would make Kuro Spandam's brother, lol. I completely forgot that was his dad.
This made me realize some of the East Blue villains are actually surprisingly strong and in hindsight it was impressive the strawhats were able to defeat them. Arlong’s another good example of it
Exactly! With the strawhats and especially Luffy being monsters even from the beginning of the story, it's so easy to underestimate the strength of some of the early antagonists in the series!
@@TheCrapCafe_ Excluding minor villains like Wapol and Alvida Luffy is punching above his weight class until Hody Jones. I actually believe Arlong to be stronger than non-roided Hody.
@@RedElm747 True. More often than not, the straw hats benefits from the "they are not taking them seriously" treatment. Their eely are either holding back (because they do not want to be noticed. Buggy and Kuro are two good example of this one. They both have a reason to not want to much attention from the world government) or they are underestimating them (Arlong, Don Krieg...) or when they are taking them seriously, there is some outside interention that still save their ass (Robin that save Luffy from Crocodile, Dragon that save Luffy from Smoker...)
Well the Strawhats, or at least the monster trio were also up there too. Yeah they were weaker than they are now, but they were also alot stronger than alot of above average pirates/enemies like Kuro's pirates, and the Baroque works agents. Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji all trained for years before they set out.
It is also possible that Kuro didn't get captured along with Who's who, and simply abandoned Who's who because Kuro know what's going to happen to failed agents. That will explained why he is at East Blue, because he is already there
I was thinking the same thing! It would also mirror his later actions. He had already successfully faked his death as a Cipher Pol agent so he faked his death yet again as Captain Kuro because he knew it would work.
This is a perfect theory to make sense of Kuro. Even when we first met him, he really didn't seem like the type of person that would turn to piracy. To me, if he was so intelligent, it would make way more sense if he just entered into work field that required high intelligence, where he would easily receive quite a bit of money. Piracy seemed like a means to an end for him, especially in the way he treated every aspect of it. It seemed like it either wasn't his first choice or that something forced him into it. This would be a perfect explanation for that case. With Oda bringing attention to how ill-suited he is for it, how he treats the idea of piracy, his reported high intelligence, and his ability that's so close to Shave, this fits extremely well. New headcanon added.
That's not even subtext, it's text. Luffy tells it straight to his face that the way he does things isn't a pirate's way. He schemes his way around everything, trying to avoid risk and maximize results. It's like planning a mission. That's not what pirates do. Pirates go with their guts.
@@gamongames Then again Blackbeard (the one Oda sees as the closest representation of a real life pirate) does a mix of both. Its pretty interesting how Blackbeard is both a manipulative schemer and a reckless gutsy idiot.
A lttle thing I remember in Pirate Warriors 3, during one of the non-canon treasure missions, Spandam has a conversation with Kuro, offering him a spot in CP9 with Kuro refusing. So it looks like somebody already had the idea of connecting them before.
SBS 42 - D: Which is faster, between Captain Kuro's "Shakushi" and CP9's "Soru"? TELL ME. by Niku-oh O: Ah yes. I got a surprising number of questions about this one. Captain Kuro's Shakushi (introduced in Volume 5) was a pretty tough one. To answer the question, speedwise they are about the same. But when Captain Kuro uses his trick, the speed is so great that he doesn't even know who he's attacking, but CP9 has complete control of their move at the same speed. So if there were a competition, CP9 would be overwhelmingly stronger.
23:23 Not necessarily. Remember, the Straw Hats never officially became pirates until just before going to Loguetown, which is immediately before going to the Grand Line, the place where they spend the rest of the story. Whereas Kuro was in the East Blue his whole pirate career(as far as we know). I think, with the Grand Line’s reputation of being the pirate graveyard that’s extremely dangerous, there’d be more bounty hunters in the four seas than in the Grand Line because they’d want to catch the pirates before they go to the Grand Line, since the four seas are less dangerous. So that could actually be why Kuro was always hounded by bounty hunters while the Straw Hats rarely encounter bounty hunters.
Plus captain Koru crew and Whoswho crew is really similar they both wear cat ears and cat costume so I think Kuro and Whoswho are very close friends and they both love cats before they get hunted by the government
It was pointed out that certain CP9 members had advantages specializing in each of the power. Such as moving fast when in iron body. Pussyfoot could be just an extended Shave. The tapdancing is probably just him warming up to do it. I always felt the kicking multiple times was meant to refer to Moon/skywalk
Well done. I don’t think Kuro necessarily would have even made it to prison alongside Who’s Who - since he was already in East Blue when the Red Hair Pirates attacked, it would have been easy for him to disappear into the East Blue with the government assuming he died at sea in the conflict until he got his first bounty. This would be an awesome opportunity for Kuro to become a CP0 agent after redeeming himself by having some information to provide to the government.
@@Mohamadthemanwe still don't know. We know he's alive but we never see him again other than the recent chapter cover story where he's reading a book but we don't know where or when this happens exactly.
I always thought that there was a connection between Kuro and CP9, but it was more so along the lines of Water 7 being a reimagining of Syrup Village. This is a LOT more fun!
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Minor point, but most CP9 agents we see, regardless of DF powers, have an animal theme, wolf, owl, lion, giraffe, leopard, weasel, etc. The 'Black Cat' would easily fit in there, Kuro holding on to a remnant of his previous life.
Yes! I was so happy when I read that chapter. It really confirms a lot of my suspicions regarding the legacy admissions of CipherPol and how desperately the agents will serve the government in order to protect their children. Just wish we met alpha before I had this video scripted and recorded!
In the flashbacks it seemed to me more like he was annoyed that his ship was getting attacked by Marines (or bounty hunters in the anime) three times a week. If he really was on the government's most wanted list, wouldn't they have started sending assassins or at least higher ranking marines way before that point? I feel like this theory bases a lot of assumptions just on Kuro having independently developed something similar to one of the six powers... just like Sanji did during his timeskip.
another thing i noticed during this video is that his sword style (having a sword on each finger) may be his own way of simulating the finger gun that he was never able to master naturally also, one point i'd like to add to his soru being a technique worthy of cp9, is that soru itself is supposed to be used for movement, so him using it to strike enemies while still being in the soru state may very well be a reason why he could have been allowed in cp9 despite his lack of mastery in 5 of the 6 powers
I would love seeing Kuro join cross guild. He hated being chased by the Marines and the Marine Bounty system of CG is a great opportunity to get revenge on them. My guy had a LONG time to train aswell, I love seeing chars without devil fruits
Kuro made appearances in a lot of scenarios with a high concentration of marine/government agents in the Pirate Warriors games, although not related to the story, I can imagine that it still means something.
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Kuro said that he had nothing to do with the death of Kaya's parents, also, Kaya said it herself that she was weak because of depression, Kuro wasn't poisoning her
It's brave of you to assume that the "Man of 1000 plans" is just getting lucky so often lol. But what do you think about the fact that the live action adaptation accepted the poison narrative?
@@TheCrapCafe_ The live action also had the cat brothers become part of the staff, and Django was nowhere to be seen in the live action. It's almost as if, omg, they change a bunch of stuff, can you believe that???
Isn't it more plausible that she was depressed but also that he was poisoning her? Oda oversaw the live action directly and that detail was added in. The live action was also very true to the manga with other scenes.
12:41 While I agree that Kuro probably did plan to axe off Kaya's parents, he himself pretty much admits that he didn't kill them. I.e, their accidental deaths truly were an accident. Though... the thing that really sticks out to me regarding this theory is how Kuro doesn't even have a solid grasp of a single Rokushiki technique. Like, yeah, Spandam's weaker than even a normal marine soldier, but he was Nepo-baby who got slotted into a deskjob, but this theory's trying to assert that Kuro was an outright combat agent... in the tippy-top cipher pol agency who actually went out on missions. Kuro being an ex-Cipher Pol agent, I can buy.... but CP9 is way too far out of his reach, I feel.
12:36 if i remember it correctly Kuro himself says he didn’t plan Kaya parents death, even though it would have made his plans easier he probably intended to just dispose of all of them in the attack
Kuro's extremely in-depth plan to erase his existence really came off like it was meant to deceive more than just typical Marines, but a CP9/0 caliber investigation team. He really felt like a very cover all basis by experience guy. Kuro shares a serious exchange about how Luffy says "I will never be a man/pirate like you" as he looks at Shanks' hat on the floor, and Kuro emphasizes. Not "will." Someone like you CAN'T be like me! Maybe implying his agent to pirate transition. I think people overlook Luffy's ability to observe and expose an opponent's strengths very quickly. Because he's being silly or naïve mid fight. However he figured out Kuro's mist move during his 2nd use to even express unnecessary movements within his form straight to his face. Now that I think about it! Him clinging to Kuro for his Bell. Neutralized his novice level Soru & Tekkai(when kids beat his face with a shovel, bat, and pan?) moves because he couldn't find his rhythm being unbalanced by Luffy's tense wrapped limbs around his torso. Limiting his focus. Left him vulnerable or jammed. Luffy was later able to use his Kuro experience along with briefly watch Lucci evade and pierce Paulie to learn Soru/gear 2. From just that little experience. I think Kuro is probably the prototype concept Oda would later go on to flesh out deeper organization villains like Crocodile & CP9/0 hence how we can create linked head canon over it. Given I've always considered Arlong arc the prototype of World Government's Celestial Dragon cruelty. Arlong IMO was a slave much like Jimbei, and that's why he randomly lost his cool around Who's Who as he finished him off. It's not confirmed, but would make sense given how Fishmen/mermaids are for the most part commonly abducted, sold, and enslaved. Fishmen face massive discrimination too. Arlong was projecting his experiences on Nami's village. And there's this part of me that wants to see Nami free Holy Land slaves during the big raid. And have her extend kindness to re-enslaved Arlong while Jimbei & Bonney are there. Expressing how much she's changed after Nika freed her from a similar parallel fate.
Don't know if I forgot it or if it wasn't mentioned but on the panel with the kids training for Cipher Pol you can see a weak looking boy with big round glasses. I could imagine that this dude had some problems holding the glasses on his nose.
I want to point out that in PIrate Warriors 3 there's a random event that can happen during any level of the dream log where CP9 tries to recruit Kuro. So clearly you're not the only one who's thought about this
so like, this actually could've been planned, oda has clearly had at least some of his ideas for the final saga since at least allabasta, and he had to have some plan of how shanks got the nika fruit. but, that east blue intelligence ranking is actually really suspicious, not just ben being higher than kuro, but also kuro being higher than nami? you'd think in an on the spot ranking, 1st place would go to a main character who we've already seen do a lot of smart things and has an unnatural ability to determine the weather, but no, that's 3rd place, behind a forgettable villain from the first saga, and a guy who isn't even from the east blue. at least beckman is going to be important later in the story, but why is kuro still ahead of the strawhats in anything?
That's a great question! There's actually a 3 year gap between Khalifa and Rob Lucci. Maybe that's a hint that there's another character in the story who's been trained by cipher pol, who's currently between the age of 27 and 30! Haven't been able to find any good candidates yet tho.
This would be a perfect way to bring him back into the main story. We need more of him and krieg, maybe them teaming up or something ridiculous just because.
i wonder if the pussyfoot maneuver is meant to be an anti-haki attack, like that one move luffy used against enel. Gum Gum Airhead + that one pinball move he used by bouncing his punches off the ship so they went in random directions. observation haki would probably be useless against an attack that can't be predicted/read.
The Sea Train had agents from a bunch of different Cipher Pols. It wouldn't make sense for the World Govt to put such a low bounty on a former member of CP9 It's much more likely that he was in CP3 or something working his way up, and got fired like the rest.
I mean if you go by the cover story featuring Kuro it seems he was trained by the government but he eventually quit at some point to become a pirate but not before seemingly becoming a great user of shave. At least if you take that cover story as cannon.
12:38 actually kuro explicitly tells jango, who also assumed kuro had killed them, that kayas parents death was completely an accident and was surprising to him as well, he had nothing to do with that but he does say right after that he would have killed them eventually anyways
we learned in an SBS recently that the CP9 agents had to redeem themselves first to the government, specifically by ousting Spandine who was doing corruption. Sandam apparently is Lucci'a, and I quote, "Goffer Boy"
The issue is that when Kuro was created, Oda didn't think of CP9 (he literally only thought of using Rob Lucci as a villain last minute during the arc). So while it's a cool theory, and one that actually has a chance to be canon if Oda thinks of it.... Of course, he could just be an ex marine. After all, you don't have to be a CP member to learn the powers...
Love this theory! Quick question: Out of all the lies Usopp has uttered, which one do you want to see realized most? For me, it's Usopp becoming the captain of a 100,000+ pirates. I'm hopeful this will occur because people are theorizing the recent events of Egg Head will result in the world knowing the truth about the world government/nobles, Imu, and Sun God Nika. My personal theory is that the world learning about the Sun God will cause a wave of hope, which the world government can't have, so the God Knights are summoned to capture Luffy to put him up for execution. Executing Luffy would send a statement across the world/maybe Imu has to execute the sun god for some ritual (?). Either way, Luffy is captured, and Usopp will lead the Straw Hat Grand Fleet as the captain to save Luffy. It might be fitting to see Luffy captured at Elbaf, by the God Knights, because he had to save Usopp (Giving Usopp the courage to lead/become a true warrior). It also provides the scenario of Shanks interacting with his family.
This holds up but also from a meta narrative perspective if this is really true why wouldn't Oda have just revealed it during who's who's little flashback, all he wouldve had to do was just toss him into one of the panels and it seems like the only chance in the story he wouldve gotten to reveal it
same reason why we only know of zoro's lineage in sbs. not all of Oda's ideas would be transcribed into paper because of page limits if someone can ask about this via sbs, we might get a confirmation. but imo this would be another kalifa moment where oda's answer felt like he came up with it on the spot. he can just say "yeah kuro was from cipher pol" then that's it
There’s definitely something in this, and it was a good decision to delineate your evidences found in the Water 7 saga and the evidences found afterwards. Oda back then probably had no intention of making this kind of connection between Kuro and CP9. The similar techniques and strategies were just allusions, conscious or otherwise. Oda Now however may indeed have noticed the opportunity of giving a classic character greater narrative relevancy and has been deliberately leaning into those hints
Ayyyyy I remember you you made a donation during tekking101s stream! I saw this video and Holy moly you have started really well and though I'm late to comment I've been watching this video for days and rewatching the one piece story and I am left with many more questions. Looking forward to seeing more of your uploads and will be rooting for you
@@TheCrapCafe_ same here I've been watching his videos for years and fellow longtime student of tekking University. No problem 😊 you really do deserve the views your getting
12:03 It is interesting how none of the cp9 we know in Water 7 wasn't planned, I heard Oda just made those who look interesting the main antagonists. Like the Pigeon Guy
Amazing theory. There is a japanese book called One Piece Monograph Gold that was printed in Japan with a lot of One Piece info. The symbol Kuro wears is analyzed in detail
Holy crap. I never thought about how similar Kuro's plan was to CP-9's infiltration of the Galley-La company. I'd say that's some pretty damning evidence right there! Although to be fair, similar plots aren't super new to the world of One Piece. Alabasta vs Dressrosa exists, after all...
You ve missed smth yeah. After luffy first time hit Kuro with his devil fruit powers Kuro was beaten by kids multiple times. After this he has stood up like nothing happened. He was fully interested in luffy’s devil fruit powers
Kuro has always been one of my favorite villains in the series and he definitely deserves to be flushed out more. I already had the idea in my head that he could of be an ex-CP9 agent & after watching your video man you have made it even more true for me~👍
Given Krieg's return; I think it'd be sensible for Kuro to join Cross Guild as the Utopia idea/not being hounded by the Maribes; seems ideal to him as far as protection i.e Mihawk and ideologies extend beyond base criminality as he sees it.
Did your Kreig video get struck? This is the only video I see on your channel besides shorts. This theory definitely seems plausible to me though, he could have easily been a trainee like Nero, who paralells him in being themed after something that looks similar to a big cat but is a far less prolific predator, being a house cat and a weasel respectively
This is actually my very first video! I'm glad you enjoyed it! And I wanted to include a segment where I mentioned all of the Feline characteristics of some of its members, but the video was getting a bit long. And my Don Krieg video will be done and on the channel by next week! I hope you'll check it out!
Definitely take the whole montage of memories with a grain of salt. It's not in the manga, but a lot of the east blue arc had some additions that were oda approved like in lougetown. Despite that, I think you're on to something with this, the whole cat motif and the whole undercover thing are good comparisons
Not to mention his complete lack of empathy and compassion. Very akin to how CP9 was during the betrayal or iceburg in water 7. Probably some conditioning from some past training in CP
One of the best one piece theories ive heard, gotta subscribe if the theories are of this quality when you have only 2 videos. Damn goo job dude. Also idk if you want any tips, but i beleve that the intro is a bit too long and would be better if it was shorter. But this is your channel so do what you feel is most fun/best
Who's who was only talkative with Jimbei because he wanted him to know why he hates Luffy. I don't think he even knew what the fruit was at the time. The mission probably failed because they were overpowered by Shanks or outsmarted by Ben, possibly both, so Ben being canonically smarter than Kuro also adds to your theory.
I think that Jango would've revealed to the marines the whole true story behind Kuro's plan after being recruited into their ranks. That would have lead the marines to activate Kuro's bounty again and probably increase it because of Kuro having been able to hide from them for so long. Also the last scene with Kuro looking at Luffy's bounty on his ship is not canon, that is a filler scene added by anime and not present in the manga. The last canon appearence of captain Kuro is Luffy throwing his unconcious body to the other black cat pirates who pick him up and then leave the scene on their ship, forgetting Jango on the island. I don't think Oda has plans for the black cat pirates but if I were in their place I would've abandoned Kuro after having heard about his intentions of betraying and murdering the entire crew. So the black cat pirates without Kuro or Jango would choose to nominate Sham and Butchie as their new captains and to continue sailing the seas under them. I mean pirate crews with two captains are rare but not impossible: Dorry and Brogy were the co-captains of previous giant pirates, and the Decalvan brothers (who are also cat themed too) are co-captains of their own crew that is part of Whitebeard's fleet. I would love for Sham and Butchie to meet the Decalvan brothers and bonding with them, I can see the younger cat themed duo looking up to the older and more experienced cat themed duo. Fun fact: Kuro means "black" in japanese (infact the black cat pirates are known as the kuroneko pirates, and Blackbeard's japanese name is Kurohige). Nero too means "black" but in italian, probably because of the italian influences of the Water 7/Enies Lobby portion of the story
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I'm surprised you didn't bring this up, though it may be nothing. Rob Lucci and Who's Who are wild cats, while Kuro is a house cat. Indicating not only his weakness by comparison, but his willingness to adopt a domesticated lifestyle as well.
I was also thinking that his sword finger technique might be a style he devised to compensate for his inability to use finger pistol.
Yes! I wanted to include their feline connection, but the video ended up longer than expected. But I hadn't even considered that Kuro's trademark claws might be a supplement for Shigan!
@@TheCrapCafe_ Another thing I find interesting is Kuro's recent cover story. He's reading a book titled "heritage" and there are 3 cats pictured in the scene. 2 are elevated, while the other looks up from below. My takeaway from this is that Kuro gained his position through inheritance, while Lucci and Who's Who got theirs through merit. Him reading this "heritage" book implies a sort of introspection on his part. And it's cleverly disguised, as heritage brings our minds immediately to the plot Kuro devised to rob Kaya of her inheritance. Thus the book doesn't seem particularly out of place. The only mystery that remains is the identity of Kuro's CP agent parent. I'm definitely going to ruminate on this some more.
@@TheCrapCafe_ I have ruminated. I believe the main CP agent we see in the Ohara flashback, the one who activates the buster call, is Kuro's father. They both have a widow's peak, similar eyes, eyebrows, foreheads, and hair color. The big difference is that the father has a big square (like literally square) chin. A nice 1st generation chin. His son, Kuro, has a more rounded and soft appearance. A narrower, more feminine nose and jawline.
... wait that would make Kuro Spandam's brother, lol. I completely forgot that was his dad.
@@TheCrapCafe_ i like your analysis, maybe next video you should include the cat connections
@@TheCrapCafe_ Thanks for listening to me ramble, lol. You've gained a sub, sir.
This made me realize some of the East Blue villains are actually surprisingly strong and in hindsight it was impressive the strawhats were able to defeat them. Arlong’s another good example of it
Exactly! With the strawhats and especially Luffy being monsters even from the beginning of the story, it's so easy to underestimate the strength of some of the early antagonists in the series!
@@TheCrapCafe_ Excluding minor villains like Wapol and Alvida Luffy is punching above his weight class until Hody Jones. I actually believe Arlong to be stronger than non-roided Hody.
@@RedElm747 True. More often than not, the straw hats benefits from the "they are not taking them seriously" treatment. Their eely are either holding back (because they do not want to be noticed. Buggy and Kuro are two good example of this one. They both have a reason to not want to much attention from the world government) or they are underestimating them (Arlong, Don Krieg...) or when they are taking them seriously, there is some outside interention that still save their ass (Robin that save Luffy from Crocodile, Dragon that save Luffy from Smoker...)
Well the Strawhats, or at least the monster trio were also up there too. Yeah they were weaker than they are now, but they were also alot stronger than alot of above average pirates/enemies like Kuro's pirates, and the Baroque works agents.
Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji all trained for years before they set out.
It is also possible that Kuro didn't get captured along with Who's who, and simply abandoned Who's who because Kuro know what's going to happen to failed agents. That will explained why he is at East Blue, because he is already there
That's a great point! Kuro's definitely the type to flee for safety and leave his friends behind
@@TheCrapCafe_ Hahah "friends"? I dun think he have any, prawns maybe
and some minnows too!
I was thinking the same thing! It would also mirror his later actions. He had already successfully faked his death as a Cipher Pol agent so he faked his death yet again as Captain Kuro because he knew it would work.
Juri would’ve been smart enough to know what was gonna happen to them if they stayed. So could’ve jumped off after the attack.
This is a perfect theory to make sense of Kuro. Even when we first met him, he really didn't seem like the type of person that would turn to piracy. To me, if he was so intelligent, it would make way more sense if he just entered into work field that required high intelligence, where he would easily receive quite a bit of money. Piracy seemed like a means to an end for him, especially in the way he treated every aspect of it. It seemed like it either wasn't his first choice or that something forced him into it. This would be a perfect explanation for that case. With Oda bringing attention to how ill-suited he is for it, how he treats the idea of piracy, his reported high intelligence, and his ability that's so close to Shave, this fits extremely well. New headcanon added.
That's not even subtext, it's text.
Luffy tells it straight to his face that the way he does things isn't a pirate's way.
He schemes his way around everything, trying to avoid risk and maximize results. It's like planning a mission. That's not what pirates do.
Pirates go with their guts.
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Then again Blackbeard (the one Oda sees as the closest representation of a real life pirate) does a mix of both. Its pretty interesting how Blackbeard is both a manipulative schemer and a reckless gutsy idiot.
A lttle thing I remember in Pirate Warriors 3, during one of the non-canon treasure missions, Spandam has a conversation with Kuro, offering him a spot in CP9 with Kuro refusing. So it looks like somebody already had the idea of connecting them before.
No way! I played so much of that game! I wish I had noticed that interaction!
Came back to this video to see if anyone else had pointed this out, just heard it earlier
i wish someone could bring this question to Oda in an SBS. I'm sure he would love that
SBS 42 -
D: Which is faster, between Captain Kuro's "Shakushi" and CP9's "Soru"? TELL ME. by Niku-oh
O: Ah yes. I got a surprising number of questions about this one. Captain Kuro's Shakushi (introduced in Volume 5) was a pretty tough one. To answer the question, speedwise they are about the same. But when Captain Kuro uses his trick, the speed is so great that he doesn't even know who he's attacking, but CP9 has complete control of their move at the same speed. So if there were a competition, CP9 would be overwhelmingly stronger.
So kuros technique is similar to cp9, it's just that he's slower and less skilled.
23:23 Not necessarily. Remember, the Straw Hats never officially became pirates until just before going to Loguetown, which is immediately before going to the Grand Line, the place where they spend the rest of the story. Whereas Kuro was in the East Blue his whole pirate career(as far as we know). I think, with the Grand Line’s reputation of being the pirate graveyard that’s extremely dangerous, there’d be more bounty hunters in the four seas than in the Grand Line because they’d want to catch the pirates before they go to the Grand Line, since the four seas are less dangerous. So that could actually be why Kuro was always hounded by bounty hunters while the Straw Hats rarely encounter bounty hunters.
Even if this is never acknowledged, this is my head canon.
Plus captain Koru crew and Whoswho crew is really similar they both wear cat ears and cat costume so I think Kuro and Whoswho are very close friends and they both love cats before they get hunted by the government
One of the most solid One Piece theories I have ever seen. Congratulations
It was pointed out that certain CP9 members had advantages specializing in each of the power. Such as moving fast when in iron body. Pussyfoot could be just an extended Shave. The tapdancing is probably just him warming up to do it. I always felt the kicking multiple times was meant to refer to Moon/skywalk
This theory is actually really well founded. Great research man, you've earned a sub and a like.
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Well done. I don’t think Kuro necessarily would have even made it to prison alongside Who’s Who - since he was already in East Blue when the Red Hair Pirates attacked, it would have been easy for him to disappear into the East Blue with the government assuming he died at sea in the conflict until he got his first bounty.
This would be an awesome opportunity for Kuro to become a CP0 agent after redeeming himself by having some information to provide to the government.
May i add that both leaders of cypher pol who had the spotlight were both "cat themed" and kuro is also "cat themed"?
I’m pretty sure that last scene of Kuro looking at Luffy’s bounty poster is an anime only add in. But it’s still a berry fun theory
What’s his last scene in the manga ? what exactly happened to him after the arc in the manga ?
@@Mohamadthemanwe still don't know. We know he's alive but we never see him again other than the recent chapter cover story where he's reading a book but we don't know where or when this happens exactly.
@@cygnusprime6728 that's not even a cover story but a cover art request so it doesn't even really matter
@@lordfreezer5631 whatever lol. Always that one guy "aKcTcHuAlLy"
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Ah man, the D.E.N.N.I.S system. Who wouldve though it would be used in a one piece theory.
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This is the kinda theory I wanna see. Not just chasing the latest chapters, but finding and connecting all the dots throughout the whole story.
With this quality, I'm surprised you only have 2 videos on right now.
I always thought that there was a connection between Kuro and CP9, but it was more so along the lines of Water 7 being a reimagining of Syrup Village. This is a LOT more fun!
The meaning of a “real pirate” was a theme of the entire East Blue. Really contrasted with nami’s typical idea of a pirate
I feel like Captain Kuro could be an orphan from the Kurozumi family.
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Thank you so much, I hope you'll enjoy my upcoming videos just as much!!
Minor point, but most CP9 agents we see, regardless of DF powers, have an animal theme, wolf, owl, lion, giraffe, leopard, weasel, etc. The 'Black Cat' would easily fit in there, Kuro holding on to a remnant of his previous life.
You and the hidden island are the only one piece theorists I respect
makes a lot of sense, especially after the Bonney flashback stuff with Alpha
Yes! I was so happy when I read that chapter. It really confirms a lot of my suspicions regarding the legacy admissions of CipherPol and how desperately the agents will serve the government in order to protect their children. Just wish we met alpha before I had this video scripted and recorded!
The way you deliver your theories is perfect. Please don’t change who you are. Me.Morj also does a great job delivering theories with in-depth info.
It is pretty interesting if Kuro was a CP 9 member. He is good at stealth and assassination so he fits the bill.
In the flashbacks it seemed to me more like he was annoyed that his ship was getting attacked by Marines (or bounty hunters in the anime) three times a week. If he really was on the government's most wanted list, wouldn't they have started sending assassins or at least higher ranking marines way before that point?
I feel like this theory bases a lot of assumptions just on Kuro having independently developed something similar to one of the six powers... just like Sanji did during his timeskip.
another thing i noticed during this video is that his sword style (having a sword on each finger) may be his own way of simulating the finger gun that he was never able to master naturally
also, one point i'd like to add to his soru being a technique worthy of cp9, is that soru itself is supposed to be used for movement, so him using it to strike enemies while still being in the soru state may very well be a reason why he could have been allowed in cp9 despite his lack of mastery in 5 of the 6 powers
I would love seeing Kuro join cross guild. He hated being chased by the Marines and the Marine Bounty system of CG is a great opportunity to get revenge on them. My guy had a LONG time to train aswell, I love seeing chars without devil fruits
Kuro made appearances in a lot of scenarios with a high concentration of marine/government agents in the Pirate Warriors games, although not related to the story, I can imagine that it still means something.
You are a blessing and a curse, ive watched the don krieg one like six times and the kuro one like eleven times lol, ur voice and theorys are good just so addicting lol, keep up the amazing work
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Kuro said that he had nothing to do with the death of Kaya's parents, also, Kaya said it herself that she was weak because of depression, Kuro wasn't poisoning her
It's brave of you to assume that the "Man of 1000 plans" is just getting lucky so often lol. But what do you think about the fact that the live action adaptation accepted the poison narrative?
@@TheCrapCafe_ The live action also had the cat brothers become part of the staff, and Django was nowhere to be seen in the live action. It's almost as if, omg, they change a bunch of stuff, can you believe that???
Isn't it more plausible that she was depressed but also that he was poisoning her? Oda oversaw the live action directly and that detail was added in. The live action was also very true to the manga with other scenes.
Another small detail is that, with the first half of the grandline mirroring east blue, Water 7/Eneis lobby and Syrup village do mirror each other
12:41 While I agree that Kuro probably did plan to axe off Kaya's parents, he himself pretty much admits that he didn't kill them. I.e, their accidental deaths truly were an accident.
Though... the thing that really sticks out to me regarding this theory is how Kuro doesn't even have a solid grasp of a single Rokushiki technique. Like, yeah, Spandam's weaker than even a normal marine soldier, but he was Nepo-baby who got slotted into a deskjob, but this theory's trying to assert that Kuro was an outright combat agent... in the tippy-top cipher pol agency who actually went out on missions.
Kuro being an ex-Cipher Pol agent, I can buy.... but CP9 is way too far out of his reach, I feel.
this is a fun head canon great job!
Thanks!
That theory was actually REALLY good! It makes me see him totally diferent!
12:36 if i remember it correctly Kuro himself says he didn’t plan Kaya parents death, even though it would have made his plans easier he probably intended to just dispose of all of them in the attack
18:46 did he just pull a one piece-esk eye catcher on us
Kuro's extremely in-depth plan to erase his existence really came off like it was meant to deceive more than just typical Marines, but a CP9/0 caliber investigation team. He really felt like a very cover all basis by experience guy.
Kuro shares a serious exchange about how Luffy says "I will never be a man/pirate like you" as he looks at Shanks' hat on the floor, and Kuro emphasizes. Not "will." Someone like you CAN'T be like me! Maybe implying his agent to pirate transition. I think people overlook Luffy's ability to observe and expose an opponent's strengths very quickly. Because he's being silly or naïve mid fight. However he figured out Kuro's mist move during his 2nd use to even express unnecessary movements within his form straight to his face. Now that I think about it! Him clinging to Kuro for his Bell. Neutralized his novice level Soru & Tekkai(when kids beat his face with a shovel, bat, and pan?) moves because he couldn't find his rhythm being unbalanced by Luffy's tense wrapped limbs around his torso. Limiting his focus. Left him vulnerable or jammed. Luffy was later able to use his Kuro experience along with briefly watch Lucci evade and pierce Paulie to learn Soru/gear 2. From just that little experience. I think Kuro is probably the prototype concept Oda would later go on to flesh out deeper organization villains like Crocodile & CP9/0 hence how we can create linked head canon over it.
Given I've always considered Arlong arc the prototype of World Government's Celestial Dragon cruelty. Arlong IMO was a slave much like Jimbei, and that's why he randomly lost his cool around Who's Who as he finished him off. It's not confirmed, but would make sense given how Fishmen/mermaids are for the most part commonly abducted, sold, and enslaved. Fishmen face massive discrimination too. Arlong was projecting his experiences on Nami's village. And there's this part of me that wants to see Nami free Holy Land slaves during the big raid. And have her extend kindness to re-enslaved Arlong while Jimbei & Bonney are there. Expressing how much she's changed after Nika freed her from a similar parallel fate.
This was such a fresh taste
This video is so well made 🎉 great theory as well
Thank you so much, you made my day! I hope you'll enjoy my upcoming theory videos as well!
Maybe he wore those claws to help make his weak finger pistol stronger but after going to east blue just started using them as swords
Don't know if I forgot it or if it wasn't mentioned but on the panel with the kids training for Cipher Pol you can see a weak looking boy with big round glasses. I could imagine that this dude had some problems holding the glasses on his nose.
I want to point out that in PIrate Warriors 3 there's a random event that can happen during any level of the dream log where CP9 tries to recruit Kuro. So clearly you're not the only one who's thought about this
I loved those games growing up! I must have subconsciously remembered it lol
so like, this actually could've been planned, oda has clearly had at least some of his ideas for the final saga since at least allabasta, and he had to have some plan of how shanks got the nika fruit.
but, that east blue intelligence ranking is actually really suspicious, not just ben being higher than kuro, but also kuro being higher than nami? you'd think in an on the spot ranking, 1st place would go to a main character who we've already seen do a lot of smart things and has an unnatural ability to determine the weather, but no, that's 3rd place, behind a forgettable villain from the first saga, and a guy who isn't even from the east blue. at least beckman is going to be important later in the story, but why is kuro still ahead of the strawhats in anything?
Honestly one of the best One piece theorys.
Thank you so much!
I wonder what other villains may have been cp9 trained. I found out cp9 agents are trained as kids on some island.
That's a great question! There's actually a 3 year gap between Khalifa and Rob Lucci. Maybe that's a hint that there's another character in the story who's been trained by cipher pol, who's currently between the age of 27 and 30! Haven't been able to find any good candidates yet tho.
This would be a perfect way to bring him back into the main story.
We need more of him and krieg, maybe them teaming up or something ridiculous just because.
i wonder if the pussyfoot maneuver is meant to be an anti-haki attack, like that one move luffy used against enel. Gum Gum Airhead + that one pinball move he used by bouncing his punches off the ship so they went in random directions.
observation haki would probably be useless against an attack that can't be predicted/read.
what a neat Intro man!
The Sea Train had agents from a bunch of different Cipher Pols.
It wouldn't make sense for the World Govt to put such a low bounty on a former member of CP9
It's much more likely that he was in CP3 or something working his way up, and got fired like the rest.
I mean if you go by the cover story featuring Kuro it seems he was trained by the government but he eventually quit at some point to become a pirate but not before seemingly becoming a great user of shave. At least if you take that cover story as cannon.
He isn't a great shave user though. He can't control where he is going using it.
12:38 actually kuro explicitly tells jango, who also assumed kuro had killed them, that kayas parents death was completely an accident and was surprising to him as well, he had nothing to do with that but he does say right after that he would have killed them eventually anyways
Fantastic name for a one piece theory channel
we learned in an SBS recently that the CP9 agents had to redeem themselves first to the government, specifically by ousting Spandine who was doing corruption. Sandam apparently is Lucci'a, and I quote, "Goffer Boy"
please don't let this be the only video you ever do... well earned sub. i hope there's more on the way.
Don't you worry, there's more coming soon!!
Sweet Crappuccino! Banger theory! Fire intro! You earned another sub, good sir!
Welcome aboard!
If you keep on making bangers like this, you’ll quickly rise to the top of One Piece RUclipsrs and theorists. Bravo
Thanks for all the love!
The intro rules
Who let this man cook
Because whoever did needs a raise holy crap this was one of the best theorys ive seen
Hahaha thank you so much!
Great first video man, I’m waiting for more.
The issue is that when Kuro was created, Oda didn't think of CP9 (he literally only thought of using Rob Lucci as a villain last minute during the arc). So while it's a cool theory, and one that actually has a chance to be canon if Oda thinks of it....
Of course, he could just be an ex marine. After all, you don't have to be a CP member to learn the powers...
honestly one of the best theory ive heard
Love this theory! Quick question: Out of all the lies Usopp has uttered, which one do you want to see realized most? For me, it's Usopp becoming the captain of a 100,000+ pirates. I'm hopeful this will occur because people are theorizing the recent events of Egg Head will result in the world knowing the truth about the world government/nobles, Imu, and Sun God Nika. My personal theory is that the world learning about the Sun God will cause a wave of hope, which the world government can't have, so the God Knights are summoned to capture Luffy to put him up for execution. Executing Luffy would send a statement across the world/maybe Imu has to execute the sun god for some ritual (?). Either way, Luffy is captured, and Usopp will lead the Straw Hat Grand Fleet as the captain to save Luffy. It might be fitting to see Luffy captured at Elbaf, by the God Knights, because he had to save Usopp (Giving Usopp the courage to lead/become a true warrior). It also provides the scenario of Shanks interacting with his family.
This holds up but also from a meta narrative perspective if this is really true why wouldn't Oda have just revealed it during who's who's little flashback, all he wouldve had to do was just toss him into one of the panels and it seems like the only chance in the story he wouldve gotten to reveal it
same reason why we only know of zoro's lineage in sbs. not all of Oda's ideas would be transcribed into paper because of page limits
if someone can ask about this via sbs, we might get a confirmation. but imo this would be another kalifa moment where oda's answer felt like he came up with it on the spot. he can just say "yeah kuro was from cipher pol" then that's it
I hope to see Kuro as a new Cross Guild member
There’s definitely something in this, and it was a good decision to delineate your evidences found in the Water 7 saga and the evidences found afterwards. Oda back then probably had no intention of making this kind of connection between Kuro and CP9. The similar techniques and strategies were just allusions, conscious or otherwise. Oda Now however may indeed have noticed the opportunity of giving a classic character greater narrative relevancy and has been deliberately leaning into those hints
Imagine the final fight being kuro pulling up with arlong and just destroying imu and luffy lol
Ayyyyy I remember you you made a donation during tekking101s stream! I saw this video and Holy moly you have started really well and though I'm late to comment I've been watching this video for days and rewatching the one piece story and I am left with many more questions. Looking forward to seeing more of your uploads and will be rooting for you
Hahaha yes I've been a long time student of Tekking University lol. And thank you so much, I appreciate the support!
@@TheCrapCafe_ same here I've been watching his videos for years and fellow longtime student of tekking University. No problem 😊 you really do deserve the views your getting
12:03 It is interesting how none of the cp9 we know in Water 7 wasn't planned, I heard Oda just made those who look interesting the main antagonists.
Like the Pigeon Guy
Amazing theory. There is a japanese book called One Piece Monograph Gold that was printed in Japan with a lot of One Piece info. The symbol Kuro wears is analyzed in detail
Thank you so much! And I'd love to take a look at that data book, but I can't find it anywhere! You said it's called "Monograph Gold"?
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Thank you!! Can't wait to check it out!
Ah yes the D.E.N.N.I.S. system
Holy crap. I never thought about how similar Kuro's plan was to CP-9's infiltration of the Galley-La company. I'd say that's some pretty damning evidence right there!
Although to be fair, similar plots aren't super new to the world of One Piece. Alabasta vs Dressrosa exists, after all...
This is a great theory
Great video man 👍
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
You ve missed smth yeah. After luffy first time hit Kuro with his devil fruit powers Kuro was beaten by kids multiple times. After this he has stood up like nothing happened. He was fully interested in luffy’s devil fruit powers
Kuro has always been one of my favorite villains in the series and he definitely deserves to be flushed out more. I already had the idea in my head that he could of be an ex-CP9 agent & after watching your video man you have made it even more true for me~👍
Also this probally means nothing but he is wearing the jacket like how marines wear them in the final shot
Kuro wouldn't even get admitted on CP9 without mastering all Rokushiki techniques. Remember what Lucci did t o the last guy who tried.
Yeah, as much as i Love kuro, i think that he is probably CP1-CP4 material
Given Krieg's return; I think it'd be sensible for Kuro to join Cross Guild as the Utopia idea/not being hounded by the Maribes; seems ideal to him as far as protection i.e Mihawk and ideologies extend beyond base criminality as he sees it.
such a good theory, keep going man, im here for the ride
Did your Kreig video get struck? This is the only video I see on your channel besides shorts.
This theory definitely seems plausible to me though, he could have easily been a trainee like Nero, who paralells him in being themed after something that looks similar to a big cat but is a far less prolific predator, being a house cat and a weasel respectively
This is actually my very first video! I'm glad you enjoyed it! And I wanted to include a segment where I mentioned all of the Feline characteristics of some of its members, but the video was getting a bit long.
And my Don Krieg video will be done and on the channel by next week! I hope you'll check it out!
Thank you! You've retroactively made Syrup Village better in my headcannon. Really hoping this is confirmed 😊
I hope so too!
Definitely take the whole montage of memories with a grain of salt. It's not in the manga, but a lot of the east blue arc had some additions that were oda approved like in lougetown. Despite that, I think you're on to something with this, the whole cat motif and the whole undercover thing are good comparisons
Not to mention his complete lack of empathy and compassion. Very akin to how CP9 was during the betrayal or iceburg in water 7.
Probably some conditioning from some past training in CP
Really great theory
Your right they used the exact some mudis optiond I never f saw that but it’s so clear
One of the best one piece theories ive heard, gotta subscribe if the theories are of this quality when you have only 2 videos. Damn goo job dude.
Also idk if you want any tips, but i beleve that the intro is a bit too long and would be better if it was shorter. But this is your channel so do what you feel is most fun/best
This was a really great theory. Definitely love to believe this one and I’ll definitely check out the Don Krieg one.
Who's who was only talkative with Jimbei because he wanted him to know why he hates Luffy. I don't think he even knew what the fruit was at the time. The mission probably failed because they were overpowered by Shanks or outsmarted by Ben, possibly both, so Ben being canonically smarter than Kuro also adds to your theory.
As soon as I sawe this headline I remembered his crazy attacks and thought they were like the CP non devil fruit powers
I also feel like his execution was kind of over kill being shot tons of times, a execution used to destroy somebody who seems powerful
Great vid
New one piece theory goat, god bless crappy boy!
A "Crappy Boy" indeed lol!
I think that Jango would've revealed to the marines the whole true story behind Kuro's plan after being recruited into their ranks. That would have lead the marines to activate Kuro's bounty again and probably increase it because of Kuro having been able to hide from them for so long. Also the last scene with Kuro looking at Luffy's bounty on his ship is not canon, that is a filler scene added by anime and not present in the manga. The last canon appearence of captain Kuro is Luffy throwing his unconcious body to the other black cat pirates who pick him up and then leave the scene on their ship, forgetting Jango on the island. I don't think Oda has plans for the black cat pirates but if I were in their place I would've abandoned Kuro after having heard about his intentions of betraying and murdering the entire crew. So the black cat pirates without Kuro or Jango would choose to nominate Sham and Butchie as their new captains and to continue sailing the seas under them. I mean pirate crews with two captains are rare but not impossible: Dorry and Brogy were the co-captains of previous giant pirates, and the Decalvan brothers (who are also cat themed too) are co-captains of their own crew that is part of Whitebeard's fleet. I would love for Sham and Butchie to meet the Decalvan brothers and bonding with them, I can see the younger cat themed duo looking up to the older and more experienced cat themed duo.
Fun fact: Kuro means "black" in japanese (infact the black cat pirates are known as the kuroneko pirates, and Blackbeard's japanese name is Kurohige). Nero too means "black" but in italian, probably because of the italian influences of the Water 7/Enies Lobby portion of the story
This is your first video? This is a awesome video
Yes, this is my very first video. I'm so happy you enjoyed it!
Always thought his cat attack was a part of the 6 powers
Kuro the opposite of nero, both meaning black.
The Black Cat and the Black Weasel! I think we know who replaced Kuro for sure now!!
Im on ep 1001 ill come back when I’m in the know but the minute of this ive watched is great im hyped to watch
Thanks so much! But don't come back until at least 1045 to avoid spoilers!