I liked how Garner understood he was much better use in the engine room than the CIC, and turning over command to Adama showed humility and bravery rather than cowardice. He knew going into the venting compartment would likely kill him as well, but he didn't hesitate.
The "Peter Principle" states that a person is promoted to the level of their incompetence: they're set in a position above their capabilities and can advance no further, while unable to return to the role in which they were most suitable. Garner was a bad Commander, but Bill Adama put him there because he was the only viable choice at the time, and I don't think that his poor performance in it reflects badly on him. Even though it happened after he made a terrible mistake, he came to recognize his limits and pass on his post to someone that he recognized would do the job better, and then he returned to his strongest position. He gave up his future in both a career and mortal sense. I know that he brushed Lee and Kara the wrong way, and the viewers by proxy, and people died because of his rashness, but, when you look back on him in retrospect, it's hard to hate him. He lacked the skills needed to do his new job well and we'll never know if he could have eventually grown into them. He was the wrong man in the wrong place, and he deserves a lot of credit for recognizing the place for which he was the right man.
Commander Garner was a good officer but perhaps a little inflexible. His people skills were a bit tough but he did save Pegasus. Good to see Hoshi on the bridge, he became a semi regular officer on Galactica. 👍
Commanding a big ship like Galactica or Pegasus is no small feat. I wouldn’t think less of anyone who’s an otherwise competent military officer not up for the challenge. Gardner was a good man and a fine officer, but a great commander he was not. Apollo, like his father and also Admiral Cain, had that special sauce that turned a ship and a crew into something more than the sum of their parts.
I think it's safe to say Lee wasn't up to the task either, given what happened at New Caprica, it's just his deficiencies were less immediately apparent than Gardner's.
@@admiralthrawnbar4899 I mean, every commander has their faults. ADM Adama was no exception himself, taking advantage of the chaos in the wake of the First Exodus to empower the military as the premiere authority in the Fleet. His early political maneuvering and inability to act subject to the civilian government somewhat soured the military’s reputation in the Fleet for years to come. ADM Cain lost her humanity, plain and simple. CDR Apollo was thrust into senior command 15-20 years before expectations for someone of his age and seniority. He went into the second Cylon War not only as a captain-a junior officer-but was also a reservist at that. I think he did quite well as Pegasus Actual, all things considered.
Garner was an engineer, to a fault. He obviously knew his way around Pegasus's engines, and died fixing them. He didn't know how to command a warship, or to fight with a warship, and he was fixated on trying to put the jump drive back together while the ship was getting pummeled from all sides. Apollo also did not know how to command a Battlestar, but he was a Viper pilot and squadron commander, and he had enough wits about him to pull himself out of "I'm in COMMAND OF A BATTLESTAR?!?!?! OH FRACK OH FRACK OH FRACK!!!", then at least get the ship doing what it was built to do - fighting. Simple tactics, charge a baseship and slug it with the forward batteries, but that was enough to buy time.
@@admiralthrawnbar4899 True, but then again, who else is going to command Pegasus? Adama's running Galactica, Tigh has already been shown to be a trainwreck on his own, and all senior officers on Pegasus are dead. After Lee, it's a toss up between lower ranked officers like Gaeta or Hoshi, and the few remaining senior pilots like Starbuck.
0:50 Lee's 'I have the con' is a top moment for me - for anyone that hasn't experienced that level of responsibility entrusted to you, I can assure you this sequence perfectly describes how it feels.
While I agree that Garner did "save" the Pegasus I wouldn't exactly call him a hero for it. He violated the Admiral's orders and jumped the ship straight into a rather obvious trap. The entire situation was his fault to begin with. Everyone on the ship that was injured or killed that day had Garner to thank for it, but he did step up in the end and atone for his mistake.
I actually never understood why he didn’t think the signal could be a trap…like that was actually really confusing. You’re gonna blindly jump into a space where two ships mysteriously disappeared against orders and SURPRISE!! Three base-ships jump in and start hurling nukes at you I respect that he gave his life to save the ship, but I think he took too many sips of Cain’s “I’m on the offensive no matter what/deep denial” juice to think rationally
I know that even Garner said they'd vent all their air into space by keeping the hatch open. That said I have to wonder couldn't they have opened the hatch after the pressure came back and sent two people to get Garner out RFN and reseal the hatch? It could have lead to a much humbled Garner retaining command of Pegasus for a bit and possibly asking his XO Apollo who is better with people to be his anti-Tigh.
Always felt bad for Garner, he was far more use in the engine room than CIC and he knew it, he just didn’t know enough about command to realise he had no business running a Battlestar until it was too late
Garner was a VERY incompetent Commander but a dedicated and EXEMPLARY Engineer. They portrayed his ineptitudes and strengths from the get go VERY well!
O2 was gone, meaning it was a vaccume that door probbaly wouldnt have ever opened and if it did it would have vented the ship and they would never have closed ot
Gardener may have made for a lousy commander, but was a great engineer and realising his strengths and weaknesses, turned over command to Apollo, so he could go fix the engines and save the ship at the cost of his own life, while Apollo kept the ship intact and fighting long enough for him to do so and escape to safety.
The only thing I didn’t like about these episodes was that John Heard was such a recognisable face, it was a little too jarring for me. So no disrespect to Mr. Heard, (Gods rest his soul), but I’m glad he was only in the series for a couple of episodes.
@joefur2835 because they changed the premise of the show. Not to mention some of the special effects are worse than the original. The Vipers in the original were more powerful for one thing.
I liked how Garner understood he was much better use in the engine room than the CIC, and turning over command to Adama showed humility and bravery rather than cowardice. He knew going into the venting compartment would likely kill him as well, but he didn't hesitate.
That’s why Garner is a good character.
The "Peter Principle" states that a person is promoted to the level of their incompetence: they're set in a position above their capabilities and can advance no further, while unable to return to the role in which they were most suitable. Garner was a bad Commander, but Bill Adama put him there because he was the only viable choice at the time, and I don't think that his poor performance in it reflects badly on him. Even though it happened after he made a terrible mistake, he came to recognize his limits and pass on his post to someone that he recognized would do the job better, and then he returned to his strongest position. He gave up his future in both a career and mortal sense.
I know that he brushed Lee and Kara the wrong way, and the viewers by proxy, and people died because of his rashness, but, when you look back on him in retrospect, it's hard to hate him. He lacked the skills needed to do his new job well and we'll never know if he could have eventually grown into them. He was the wrong man in the wrong place, and he deserves a lot of credit for recognizing the place for which he was the right man.
Garner might have not been a great Commander but he died a hero
Commander Garner was a good officer but perhaps a little inflexible. His people skills were a bit tough but he did save Pegasus. Good to see Hoshi on the bridge, he became a semi regular officer on Galactica. 👍
Hoshi always gave me a semi. 🍆
Commanding a big ship like Galactica or Pegasus is no small feat. I wouldn’t think less of anyone who’s an otherwise competent military officer not up for the challenge. Gardner was a good man and a fine officer, but a great commander he was not. Apollo, like his father and also Admiral Cain, had that special sauce that turned a ship and a crew into something more than the sum of their parts.
I think it's safe to say Lee wasn't up to the task either, given what happened at New Caprica, it's just his deficiencies were less immediately apparent than Gardner's.
@@admiralthrawnbar4899 I mean, every commander has their faults. ADM Adama was no exception himself, taking advantage of the chaos in the wake of the First Exodus to empower the military as the premiere authority in the Fleet. His early political maneuvering and inability to act subject to the civilian government somewhat soured the military’s reputation in the Fleet for years to come. ADM Cain lost her humanity, plain and simple.
CDR Apollo was thrust into senior command 15-20 years before expectations for someone of his age and seniority. He went into the second Cylon War not only as a captain-a junior officer-but was also a reservist at that. I think he did quite well as Pegasus Actual, all things considered.
Garner was an engineer, to a fault. He obviously knew his way around Pegasus's engines, and died fixing them. He didn't know how to command a warship, or to fight with a warship, and he was fixated on trying to put the jump drive back together while the ship was getting pummeled from all sides. Apollo also did not know how to command a Battlestar, but he was a Viper pilot and squadron commander, and he had enough wits about him to pull himself out of "I'm in COMMAND OF A BATTLESTAR?!?!?! OH FRACK OH FRACK OH FRACK!!!", then at least get the ship doing what it was built to do - fighting. Simple tactics, charge a baseship and slug it with the forward batteries, but that was enough to buy time.
@@admiralthrawnbar4899 True, but then again, who else is going to command Pegasus? Adama's running Galactica, Tigh has already been shown to be a trainwreck on his own, and all senior officers on Pegasus are dead. After Lee, it's a toss up between lower ranked officers like Gaeta or Hoshi, and the few remaining senior pilots like Starbuck.
0:50 Lee's 'I have the con' is a top moment for me - for anyone that hasn't experienced that level of responsibility entrusted to you, I can assure you this sequence perfectly describes how it feels.
The responsibility compounded by the pressure in the heat of the moment
This is why it is one of the best sci fi series ever
Garner was an engineer and died as an engineer he should have never been Commander and in his last moments realised how he could save his crew
RIP John Heard
A great actor and commander of Battlestar Pegasus.
While I agree that Garner did "save" the Pegasus I wouldn't exactly call him a hero for it. He violated the Admiral's orders and jumped the ship straight into a rather obvious trap. The entire situation was his fault to begin with. Everyone on the ship that was injured or killed that day had Garner to thank for it, but he did step up in the end and atone for his mistake.
This is some of the best drama in modern TV….Command is about People!
Skipper saved his ship. There are worse ways to go...
After being directly responsible for putting it in danger in the first place.
Went out like a boss
I actually never understood why he didn’t think the signal could be a trap…like that was actually really confusing. You’re gonna blindly jump into a space where two ships mysteriously disappeared against orders and SURPRISE!! Three base-ships jump in and start hurling nukes at you
I respect that he gave his life to save the ship, but I think he took too many sips of Cain’s “I’m on the offensive no matter what/deep denial” juice to think rationally
Kevin McAllister did indeed wish for his family to disappear. But this wasn't what he had in mind.
Never understood why Lee spoke so softly when he gave the order to fire 2:09
“Speak softly and carry a big stick”.
The dad from Home Alone Spocks himself to save everyone.
I know that even Garner said they'd vent all their air into space by keeping the hatch open. That said I have to wonder couldn't they have opened the hatch after the pressure came back and sent two people to get Garner out RFN and reseal the hatch?
It could have lead to a much humbled Garner retaining command of Pegasus for a bit and possibly asking his XO Apollo who is better with people to be his anti-Tigh.
Always felt bad for Garner, he was far more use in the engine room than CIC and he knew it, he just didn’t know enough about command to realise he had no business running a Battlestar until it was too late
INCREDIBLE show.
Lee was surprised when Gardner said he has to go down to the engine room during a battle.
Garner was a VERY incompetent Commander but a dedicated and EXEMPLARY Engineer. They portrayed his ineptitudes and strengths from the get go VERY well!
This is a good episode but that other engineer could totally have just opened the door for another minute to grab him and he would have been fine.
O2 was gone, meaning it was a vaccume that door probbaly wouldnt have ever opened and if it did it would have vented the ship and they would never have closed ot
Welcome to the big leagues, Lee.
This is top 5 best show ever
Gardener may have made for a lousy commander, but was a great engineer and realising his strengths and weaknesses, turned over command to Apollo, so he could go fix the engines and save the ship at the cost of his own life, while Apollo kept the ship intact and fighting long enough for him to do so and escape to safety.
Mr. Blue Sky must be playing in the back of Starbucks head almost every day...
0:17 Lt Hammond looks weird in a Colonial uniform.
Hoshi is a discount Mr. Spock on this show with that hair cut
I like how he’s the best engineer on the Pegasus but still hasn’t mastered the law of the lever 😂
Good luck Profesor
All I see is the dad from Home Alone.
that and a corrupt Newark cop who liked his whores a little too much.
Аполло прекрасен!)
Reason 654,762 that base stars are useless.
The only thing I didn’t like about these episodes was that John Heard was such a recognisable face, it was a little too jarring for me. So no disrespect to Mr. Heard, (Gods rest his soul), but I’m glad he was only in the series for a couple of episodes.
Who the Hell still uses a phone receiver on a Battlestar these days, ANYWAY ! ! !
Old technology and thus likely unhackable technology.
I like the original series better.
How could you say that after watching this masterpiece. To each his own I guess.
@joefur2835 because they changed the premise of the show. Not to mention some of the special effects are worse than the original. The Vipers in the original were more powerful for one thing.