For those who want to know more about the trees, here are a few links : - Mulberry : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morus_alba - Pineapple Guava : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acca_sellowiana - Olive : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_sapote - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucaena_leucocephala (not sure)
There are still plenty of older folks in southern Portugal who could tell you all about using alfarroba (carob) as fodder. It was definitely a main food source for their pigs especially.
Thanks for the video! Maybe also good to add that leucaena leucocephala (last tree in the video) is a highly invasive species and thus should not introduced careless anywhere basically...its really hard to get rid of them after they are established!!
Don't forget the carob honey. You should definitely make honey out of carobs, it's an absolute favourite of mine. You can combine it with tahini and other stuff to make sweets, use it in various recopies, or make ''pastelli'' out of it. Note, to much of it gives you diarrhea.
About Ceratonia siliqua... They couldnt be more wrong. There is not such a thing like male or female "Algarrobos" (the spanish name). They are monoic. Also, the pods are completly edible, no toxic, super good feed for animals. The seeds is the only thing used by humans nowdays as you extract E-410 from them (Locus tree gum).
In East Med we still eat them ourselves. We would never EVER give them to the animals. If you told anyone here that you give the carobs to the animals they'll think you're crazy. If you have too much of them you just sell them to the Carob mills for good money. Carob mills will export the finest around the Middle East for human consumption, and use the rest to make carob honey, the seeds are also exported. Don't you make carob honey in Spain?
It is not pronounced leucena... In latin and most latin languages the letter c is pronounced like a k if there is A O or U after it... it is pronounced like an s if there is E I or Y after it...
No you are totally correct. When we first started, we just go pro'd it and documented tons of stuff. We have since upgraded both our audio and video. By all means that does not change the quality of info in our older vids, our newer vids has much better audio and video for that matter. Our system evolves :-)
Great info on trees. Shame to see that the property owner still hasn't made the connection between animal agriculture and environmental destruction such as drought. On this subject I highly recommend DiCaprio's documentary, Cowspiracy.
+chris evans That is debatable since there would not be enough land to grow animals using an animal based Permaculture method to feed all omnivores today. What isn't debatable is that animal products are not healthy for human consumption, regardless of how they are raised (look up Uprooting the Causes of Death by Dr Michael Greger). What isn't debatable is that in the 21th century we know that there's absolutely no dietary need for humans to still be consuming animals. We did it for centuries to survive, today we do it for indulgence, yes even in permaculture systems (look up A Diet for all Reasons by Dr Michael Klaper). And it isn't true that all permaculture systems must use animals. Over 30 years Ernst Gotsch recovered vast plots of land with depleted soils back into productive food forests using solely plants. Look up his youtube channel. And finally, what isn't debatable is the cruelty of killing an innocent animal that wants to live, purely for human enjoyment. Taking the life of an innocent being is the ultimate selfishness, which I believe isn't in line with permaculture principles, which I believe are not written in stone and teach to always be open minded to change. This is all I'm asking.
I gave you links to resources backing my points. You're the one spouting opinions without references. Please show me a permaculture principle that says you MUST use animals. You didn't even bother looking at my sources. You assume I know nothing about permaculture and resort to personal insults because you lack rational arguments. A pathetic insult is all you could muster?! If there's someone here who needs to learn about permaculture is you.
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Using animals and letting animals exist as part of a diverse ecosystem is a different thing. A cow is an excellent animal for turning grass into manure, it will eventually die and rot, giving back any nutrients its growth buffered from the ground within its body. Diversity is important and having animals around is important too. Preying on them is not necessary, don't exclude our important allies bro.
Veganic ♾ What about aquaponics? What about worm bins and honeybees? I get where you're coming from, but I raise chickens and they keep my bermuda grass in check. There is no plant based system for dealing with that in my environment where we only get 6in of rain. Dogma is dogma is dogma. I eat mostly a plant based diet. Was a vegan for 13 years, but I eat fish and chicken I raise in my permaculture system.
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ l Anyone can be dogmatic, anyone, Hitler was a vegan. He lived animals and didn't eat any. Does that mean that all vegans are white supremacists, nope. If you raise chickens, you'll have to kill them at some point. I disagree with you on that one. Sometimes they suffer more if you let them live longer than they should.
Great video! I am a tree fanatic so I really like to see experimentation with new tree guilds.
For those who want to know more about the trees, here are a few links :
- Mulberry : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morus_alba
- Pineapple Guava : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acca_sellowiana
- Olive : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_sapote
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucaena_leucocephala (not sure)
There are still plenty of older folks in southern Portugal who could tell you all about using alfarroba (carob) as fodder. It was definitely a main food source for their pigs especially.
I really appreciate your printed list of trees at the end.
thanks for the list at the end
Thanks for the video! Maybe also good to add that leucaena leucocephala (last tree in the video) is a highly invasive species and thus should not introduced careless anywhere basically...its really hard to get rid of them after they are established!!
Hey man great film will be watching more im in the north of spain so some info really helped thanks
You need to put written species, genius on your videos to make it easier for others to find the right plants.
They have given the names at the very end.
Do you think these trees would be appropriate for the Tucson AZ. area?
Kathy J Mission Gardens sells heirloom fruit trees of the Sonoran Desert from time to time. Those would be the best for Tucson
Kathy J no
You should be look at Arizona natives.
Did you guys try any Citrus varieties?
Don't forget the carob honey. You should definitely make honey out of carobs, it's an absolute favourite of mine. You can combine it with tahini and other stuff to make sweets, use it in various recopies, or make ''pastelli'' out of it. Note, to much of it gives you diarrhea.
About Ceratonia siliqua... They couldnt be more wrong. There is not such a thing like male or female "Algarrobos" (the spanish name). They are monoic. Also, the pods are completly edible, no toxic, super good feed for animals. The seeds is the only thing used by humans nowdays as you extract E-410 from them (Locus tree gum).
In East Med we still eat them ourselves. We would never EVER give them to the animals. If you told anyone here that you give the carobs to the animals they'll think you're crazy. If you have too much of them you just sell them to the Carob mills for good money. Carob mills will export the finest around the Middle East for human consumption, and use the rest to make carob honey, the seeds are also exported.
Don't you make carob honey in Spain?
It is not pronounced leucena... In latin and most latin languages the letter c is pronounced like a k if there is A O or U after it... it is pronounced like an s if there is E I or Y after it...
The mimosa tree is pronounced "leh-ooh-cah-enah" it is a Spanish name.
Where is this?
Aaron L. M. Goodwin California
IT can be great if U write the name of the trees in your vide
+الزاجل الحمام I second this. It'd be useful to have the latin names.
is it only me, or the audio is VERY quiet?
No you are totally correct. When we first started, we just go pro'd it and documented tons of stuff. We have since upgraded both our audio and video. By all means that does not change the quality of info in our older vids, our newer vids has much better audio and video for that matter. Our system evolves :-)
Great info on trees. Shame to see that the property owner still hasn't made the connection between animal agriculture and environmental destruction such as drought. On this subject I highly recommend DiCaprio's documentary, Cowspiracy.
+chris evans That is debatable since there would not be enough land to grow animals using an animal based Permaculture method to feed all omnivores today.
What isn't debatable is that animal products are not healthy for human consumption, regardless of how they are raised (look up Uprooting the Causes of Death by Dr Michael Greger). What isn't debatable is that in the 21th century we know that there's absolutely no dietary need for humans to still be consuming animals. We did it for centuries to survive, today we do it for indulgence, yes even in permaculture systems (look up A Diet for all Reasons by Dr Michael Klaper).
And it isn't true that all permaculture systems must use animals. Over 30 years Ernst Gotsch recovered vast plots of land with depleted soils back into productive food forests using solely plants. Look up his youtube channel.
And finally, what isn't debatable is the cruelty of killing an innocent animal that wants to live, purely for human enjoyment. Taking the life of an innocent being is the ultimate selfishness, which I believe isn't in line with permaculture principles, which I believe are not written in stone and teach to always be open minded to change. This is all I'm asking.
I gave you links to resources backing my points. You're the one spouting opinions without references. Please show me a permaculture principle that says you MUST use animals.
You didn't even bother looking at my sources. You assume I know nothing about permaculture and resort to personal insults because you lack rational arguments. A pathetic insult is all you could muster?! If there's someone here who needs to learn about permaculture is you.
Using animals and letting animals exist as part of a diverse ecosystem is a different thing.
A cow is an excellent animal for turning grass into manure, it will eventually die and rot, giving back any nutrients its growth buffered from the ground within its body.
Diversity is important and having animals around is important too.
Preying on them is not necessary, don't exclude our important allies bro.
Veganic ♾ What about aquaponics? What about worm bins and honeybees? I get where you're coming from, but I raise chickens and they keep my bermuda grass in check. There is no plant based system for dealing with that in my environment where we only get 6in of rain. Dogma is dogma is dogma. I eat mostly a plant based diet. Was a vegan for 13 years, but I eat fish and chicken I raise in my permaculture system.
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ l Anyone can be dogmatic, anyone, Hitler was a vegan. He lived animals and didn't eat any. Does that mean that all vegans are white supremacists, nope. If you raise chickens, you'll have to kill them at some point. I disagree with you on that one. Sometimes they suffer more if you let them live longer than they should.