Traditional Landscape Design vs Permaculture Landscape Design
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- A young family wants to make a change and asked two different landscape design teams to design their landscape for healthy fruits and vegetables, nuts and eggs. The two companies create designs and got back with the couple. The video shows the results and below you can easily see the connections and benefits the permaculture design took into the family’s consideration.
Where the traditional design does meet the family’s needs, the permaculture design take a practical look at the landscape, the couple’s desires, and joins them together with harmonious interaction. Here are some of the connections:
Chicken house:
At a spot in the property where it will eventually leach nutrients down slope into the landscape.
Captures it’s own water.
Deep bedding method so the whole thing is a egg making compost generator.
Greenhouse A:
Grow food all year.
Doubles as a plant nursery.
Greenhouse B:
Heats and cools home by providing a buffer zone and convection.
Cleanses grey water.
Grows nutrient dense tropical food plants because it has a microclimate that can do that.
Adds additional living space to the home.
Orchard / Food forest:
Captures it’s own water by designing it with the slope of the landscape.
Fertilized by both chicken system and support species.
Ecosystem design to maximum yield.
Once established it is almost a zero work system.
Wilfdlife habitat.
Nature area for a sense of well being.
Real long term low maintenance food security
Garden and crops:
You garden more efficiently when you have to walk through the garden to get into the house.
Utilizes keyhole gardens with one entry/rotation point instead of rectangular garden that needs to be worked from the outside perimeter.
The darker green areas are support species that are filled with nitrogen and nutrient accumulating species as well as pollinator attractors and beneficial predatory insect attractors to aid in suppressing pests and to create wildlife habitat with an ecosystem rather than monoculture.
Vegetables washing station near home entry to maximize work efficiency that also uses the wash water to keep worm farm moist. The culling of leaves and plants from the garden go into the worm farm to feed the worms. The worm farm has a drain at the bottom so they can harvest the worm juice after each wash.
Water tanks:
Catches drinkable and irrigation water from the roof.
Pumped out with a solar powered pump.
Irrigates garden with simple low tech, low cost, efficient system.
Chicken system:
Creates low work natural fertilizer.
De-pests growing areas
De-weeds growing areas
Feeds chickens
Compost area:
Along with the chicken house it serves as a organic nutrient cycling area.
Gives quicker compost for garden needs
Feeds chickens
Store:
The city ordinances allow having a store/stand of some types to sell directly to the public.
Parking area captures run off water for food forest
Community is established with sales
Money is made
Community area:
Comfortable outside living space
outdoor cooking area
A visually and aesthetically pleasing area for the family and visitors
Meeting area
As you can see there are a lot of connections made in a permaculture design that will benefit this family, the soil, wildlife, and the environment. And this example could be used for a standard suburban lot up to around an acre or so of land. But it does not stop there. A baby boomer couple has now called upon a conventional agriculture consultant and a permaculture consultant to design their farm. This should be a show down of exciting designs and the results should be in soon.
If possible, please make more videos like this? Drawing out potential architecture ideas. I like it a lot. Helps you to put it all into perspective.
"Utilize their chickeness..." made my day haha
In portuguese: Utilize suas galinhezas.
This video is wildly underrated. I personally wouldn’t force the clients to walk half their gardens just to get in their house 😆 but I appreciate the philosophy behind this idea.
GMOs are not really the problem, but the chemicals you need to put in food in a mass-producing economy.
The science behind GMOs is brutal, but it truly is not an issue for medical reasons, but economic (monopolization of seeds) and ecological displacement.
Loved the video, I am rehabilitating dead lawn in order to create a permaculturing system. Loved the inspiration. Thank you!
Depends on the what the GMO change is. There is GMO rice (Golden rice) which adds beta-carotene to it for vitamin A production. There is also rice which has been engineered to use the C4 photosynthesis path (vs the ancient C2) which is more efficient and hence creates higher yields for the same input. This includes small farmers. This has been a government and university run project. Ditto with rice more resistant to salt and drought. If all were combined it would be a great boom for the like of African farmers. In fact many of them are calling out for GMO rice.
Not all GMO is used to only be beneficial to seed companies. It depends what the change is. And with GMO the change is very specific, for a very specific trait
Besides, many farmers already buy hybrid seeds for the 'hybrid vigour' . Unfortunately the subsequent yield from the resulting seed doesn't share the same vigour. Hence they buy seed again the year after. It's more cost effective.
That said, it all depends on your method of production and what sort of inputs you are wanting to put into your crops.
GMOs are a huge part of the problem.
GMO foods 'not an issue for medical reasons'?? incorrect. what about the GMO potatoes that lab animals starved to death eating? I agree a bigger problem is ecological displacement and loss of biodiversity, and frankly all the chemicals killing microbes that deliver nutrients to the crops are most deleterious for most people right now, but it's wrong to say there is no medical issue of GMO crops when we really have very little idea of nutrition differences of long term effects at this point. i would say negative and unknown medical issues are yet ANOTHER reason not to let GMO crops displace biodiverse polyculture forests and human created food systems
I suggest you look into Zach bush and organic no till farming
Thank you for saying this! Feels so rare these days to come across logically minded, educated people.
I doubt any landscape designer would design that way. I can understand you tried to create an extreme comparison, but you can still compare without being misleading. I'm a permaculture designer myself by the way.
I would love to become a permaculture designer as well. What are the necessary steps?
@@deyjakyles1345 Enrol in a permaculture design course
@@deyjakyles1345 10:50 He told you how to do it in the video. Take a permaculture design course.
It is incredibly helpful to see the two examples side by side like this! I have no knowledge at all in this area, but I do wish I could transform my garden more towards permaculture.
Love it ❤️
Some ideas are clearly great, like a second greenhouse attached to the house or having the orchard/food forest positioned at the lower part of the estate, but I am not sold on all the details. How practical are the the round raised beds? They look fancy on the plan, but I'm not sure it's completely necessary. Also, I don't think it's a good idea to make the path to the house longer than it should be, you and the guests are more likely to cut it short and go where you "shouldn't" just to get to the home quicker. That always happens to fancy paths which are long winded, they are good for relaxing walks, but not great when you are in a rush to get from A to B.
All good things to consider. Check out my update of this video with a lot more added in one of my newer videos called "introduction to permaculture gardening"
The round "keyhole" beds are super efficient in terms of path space. I agree with you that the path from the driveway to the front door is a bit long. I would cut it's length by about two thirds, and put it in a simple curve that feels "logical". I would also add one or two flowering trees or bushes in that area, to make it more enjoyable and add some shade. Around the chicken pen, I would add easily harvestable, fast-growing organic matter plants to throw in, making it a straw pen. I would add a deciduous perennial on the sunward side of the greenhouse connected to the house, to give it shade during the time of year when extra heating is not desirable. Since there is little space to put this plant, in this design, I would opt for something like jerusalem artichokes, or maybe giant knotweed.
Maybe not the knotweed. They are very hard to get rid of once placed. Worse then mint!
Its just an example to give people potential ideas. Different gardeners / clients will prefer different length paths.
"I hope those chickens don't die from sheer loneliness"
Haha
Nice design but I’m sure the family won’t enjoy always walking around the garden to get inside, especially when it’s raining. There should be a strait path from the car to front door in addition to the garden path.
The point is that they would have to walk in the garden more, encouraging the people to engage more with there garden.
The whole point is submitting yourself to nature, not the other way around.
Sweet! Thank you for showing the drastic contrast between regenerative Permaculture and why the mess that society struggles and suffers with is actually simply degenerative design, a systemic invitation to addiction to inputs, labor and futility. It really helps me. After studying, practicing and designing Permaculture since 2001, I am still a beginner in so many ways, on a practical level. This solidifies my ideas, and inspires me to go for it here on the quarter-acre I'm designing now. Aloha, Maui Permaculture Network (MPN) -- Claire
This is amazing content and I believe permaculture is the future, however, I'd like to add that there is absolutely not one shred of peer reviewed scientific literature from any reliable source that claims that GMOs are harmful in any way, especially not toxic or poisonous. The truth is that GMOs are highly controlled and face strict regulations.
If you do want to discredit or argue against GMOs, do so from a financial or intellectual property angle as it is problematic for companies to patent genetic information for obvious reasons. The majority of GMO criticisms are founded in scientific skepticism, anti intellectualism or blatant misinformation, often caused by mistrust, much like the anti-vax movement.
excellent video. thank you
Absolutely nailed it mate. I'm in the process of learning my land and design atm.
4.3ac, food forrest, livestock, farm stay and hopefully, one day and permaculture farm school.
Hi, i am very interesting with permaculture. Nice...
Really clever, now we need a design consciousness for making it aesthetically beautiful.
oh my...!!! fantastic!!!
Would love to see something similar on a 1/4 acre or 10,000 square feet which is a more normal suburban house lot.
Hard Level: With an HOA
This is Perfect.....Exactly what I want to do for our home. Thank you so much for doing this video.
you know i love the small scale stuff, im doing the same thing for the same reasons. on a side note, i made ya'll a featured channel on my site, and im doing a shout out vid for Nicholas. Appreciate all the swag you sent.
Oh cool! Thanks for doing that. Have appreciated you since the beginning. Shout it out! :-) ~ Nicholas
Instead of electrical irrigation hoses, I really recommend you look into earthen jug irrigation!! Requires no electricity or lining whatsoever, you only fill unglazed earthen jugs with water, place them slightly into the ground, and then wait as osmosis will extract the water when it's dry... This is a technique that has been used by many cultures for a very very long time. So much kinder to Mother Earth 🙏💗🌸🌷🌿
And thank you for this amazing video, though I've loved permaculture for such a long time, there is always more to learn and I've learned so much from this video. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing this great example of how to practice Permaculture! So effective teaching video! Thank you!
I know this video is about permaculture, but as Landscape Architect theres couple of points i believe didn’t look right.
A.) there’s no proper boundary (green buffer)between the road and private property, the storage shed is just beside the road and far from the garden.
B.) there’s no separate path that leads directly to the house. The driveway entry is the only access point to the property.
C.)Overall shape, form and circulation.
You stated a lot of good points, cost efficient and practical solutions. 👍 just pointing out some points that might help in future. Cheers! 🍻
I have had a bit of a difficult time finding a beginner's overview drawing of a permaculture design. I have a dream of creating one myself with an Earthship kind of home and am sitting down to draw and paint my fantasy home now! This is a sweet video!
amazing plan. I have been following homesteaders on RUclips for about a yr or so. this is the first plan i have seen that would work for me
I need to learn more about this! This is so cool!
GMOs don't cause negative health effects! The USA has the lowest food standards of any developed nation, perhaps this is where the confusion comes from.
Please don't go into the world of conspiracy. Permaculture is amazing and lifechanging if someone pursues it. But I don't want us to be compared to Alex Jones types.
It can be very easy for well-meaning individuals to be misled down the path of pseudoscience, especially when misinformation is mixed in alongside actual good advice. We have to constantly work to educate each other and ourselves so that we have the tools to make evidence-based decisions. People in the US have a vague idea that common market produce isn't as good as homegrown or locally-grown, and without the proper scientific background that makes them susceptible to fear of scary-sounding acronyms like "GMO". Meanwhile, people in the EU (where food standards are better) may have an easier time understanding that genetic modification is just one more tool in the horticulture toolbox.
good video thanks
It’s beautiful I’m building it.
Cool method I can see my self making this design at my backyard
Thanks for this. I am definitely inspired. The Lord bless you.
Inspirational and very informative. thank you!
I have read many comments about how GMOs are not that bad. However, in practice the vast majority of GMO plants are modified to survive chemical farming methods. So, the plant itself is not toxic. But, it allows cultural practices that produce food contaminated with industrial chemicals. Roundup ready soybeans, for example.
alex riddles GMOs are fake food fake plants messing with Gods creations to heal our bodies. Monsanto kills
You are correct. I am a plant scientist and GMO technology is great, but unfortunately it is sometimes used in conjunction with pesticides and Monsanto, but this is not true for all GMOS. GMO foods are not bad: monocultures, pesticides, industrial agricultural practices are bad. Many GMOs are able to help plants adapt to changing climates or have micronutrients and improve nutrition. In many parts of the world, GMOs can save lives. It makes me so angry when people are anti GMO but have no idea what they are actually against. GMOs are not the problem, they are just frequently referenced with all the other things that are bad about modern agricultural practices.
Lena Hunt GMOs are fake food.
alex riddles GMO are garbage!
There is no place for GMOs in permaculture or healthy home gardening. The process is unnecessary, unnatural and unhealthy. It's an insult to God; the same as telling God that what He gave us isn't good enough. I'll stick with our God-given heirlooms and organics, thank you very much.
beautiful glimpse of your garden! wow
Cool ideas. I do think the young couple with the baby should be able to run into their house without having to take a stroll through the garden, especially when they have health issues and allergies. And the chickens could come a little farther from the sidewalk where they are likely to either get loose or face complaints from the neighbors.
Maybe they enter thru garage
Great!
Thanks for sharing this story... very inspiring... It starts with awareness and intent.. and through progressive steps, we create sustainable abundance...
I don't appreciate the fear promoting reasons for homesteading...I feel like I can't promote permaculture to people without them getting turned off by this as well. Permaculture is about not only attempting to feed one self, but the next human generations, and be ecological...giving back to nature and promoting diversity. Yet all people see is don't trust any of the commercial food. Otherwise Design, the point of the video, well done! Thank you.
Just joined and signed up for a beginners course. Aiming to do the PDC soon as I’m ready 👍🏼🫶🏻
Awesome
Thank you
"utilizing its chickenness" lol
Øyðrík Filip Jørðvål you beat me to the comment 🤣
I chortled at that
“Chickenness” is amazing, btw. Less 🐌 & slugs, less chewed up plants, I love how they graze.
It's from joel salitin
Inspiring
GOD BLESS U
I liked it until I had to interact with people at a store I suddenly own. 😂
Just kidding I loved this video
Love how much edge is created by the round beds and windy paths.
I'm assuming the rows of trees range in sizes / species in descending height as you travel down the slope, with the tallest being nearest the house.
Bravo! What a valuable video! Thank you!
nice
such smart design
Awesome video. Hope you can get a sponsor so that you can make content that reaches more people then your in person school... Maybe it could cover prerequisite knowledge ahead of in person school?
How does an organization, being us, go about that?
I am curious I know this may sound kind of rude, but I am want to know what else do you feed the chickens outside of the insects? From my understanding, chickens can’t get all their nutritional needs just from insects. So you get some store to supplement their diet or is there some other elements of your farm? You can feed themtoo fill in their diet. Or am I just off the mark?
I love the idea! Continue your work
amazing
Thanks! What was your biggest take away?
Great video... well done
Can we hire you to develop this system for our future homestead in Texas? 🙏🏼😁
Really interesting and informative.
I think what it comes down to is those that think our food chain is healthy are really intimidated by the idea of having alternative living because they aren't willing to put in the work. It's easier to go to the market and buy a bag of salad mix than to cut up the lettuce themselves and even harder to master growing it then picking it and cutting it up. It's easier to say GMO is ok or that our meat is coming from a good source than to change habits. We are a lazy society, and a naïve as well.
In some cases it's because people are lazy. But we all know that people need to work multiple jobs and more hours a week than in modern history. So it's hard to just say it's laziness when we know how over worked society is.
Everyone has different views on how they want to live their lives. What's fits for one person doesn't necessarily mean it works for another.
I buy salad mix because I can't grow em in my temperature 😅
GMOs CAN be okay. No always, but even then the problems mostly stem from things other than the food itself, like crops that encourage the use of pestasides. Calling all GMOs "toxic" is just plain wrong. When used correctly, they can be a good tool to fight hunger and environmental damage. Pretending that this isn't an incredibly nuanced topic is just going to make the types of people you're describing think we're crazy conspiracy theorists or something and slow the spread of actual solutions. Please stop unfairly vilifing GMOs
To me, the chickens are a a little too close to a public area (the sidewalk, where they could become a source for complaints from commuters walking by) and would probably do better closer to the green house. that is one of the issues to consider in an urban environment. My current goals are to build a food garden which is both year around and as esthetically pleasing as possible. I know some complaints were made initially with my first efforts and my landlord brushed it off with the comment that the duplex "looked lived in." However, I am working on addressing that. I was pleased when the landlord and tenant next door left me use part of his land for growing tomatoes and Seminole Pumpkins this year. The varigation in the leaves of the Pumpkins improved the appearance from the street of that part of my garden.
The back yard is the lower area of the small yard and partially belongs to the landlord next over. Right now i have a trellis back there and grow what I do in grow backs near the fence. Otherwise I'm just letting what was bare clay land gain topsoil through nature's way as the pine trees above and dead plants from my garden with some weed cover rot on top. I've decided to do the same with similar soil up in the front yard and already had started with Sweet Potato and watermelon plants grown in a plastic tub and fallout from both pines and oaks. Those areas are where I plan on planting a little more along permacultural lines with plants which are edible, will blend together well in their niches and look pleasing with little or no care. I'm thinking in the long term here.
Yes, that was one of our considerations as well. It may have been useful to give a layout of the surrounding property. The chicken coop side is not near the public or neighbors. The sidewalk is hardly ever used for public access.
Sorry you are having issues with your installation. Sounds like your neighbors and landlord are on your side. That is good.
amazing content friend
Randomly found u while searching landscaping renders.. you just changed my approach. My architect company is now mad at me….
I would like to find out where can I find one of these guys for hire
Yep the permaculture design is the winner
What an inspiration!!! Now, I want a piece of land si bad!!!
wow this is amazing so exciting
That first design could be significantly better not just a tab bit lol
But you have your food growing right next to a road, over which cars will spew carbon monoxide -- that is a drawback
😁exactly how do "we" bring those chickens back at night to their coop? Just wondering...
Well done !
I just love the path and circles design. This will fit just right here :)
I have chicken and ducks that could help with pests control and fertilizing, but how do you deal with predators if leaving them free roaming? We have foxes that came in day light to get young chicks and rabbits… any ideas?
Yes. Most predation but not happen at night. The chicken tractor is their nightly protection. So they get put up in the night. The poultry netting stays on to help deter predators by shocking them.
Hello just want to ask what plants can be used as Support species? And what material for the access pathways? Thanks!
It's nicer looking that the other straight line one
nice design, good comparisons
Isn't the orchard gonna block out the southern sun? And there's no wind break from the eastern winds?.
I teach rejuvenating nutrition and talk about all the problems with commercial foods on my channel. The story that you share is reality but most people ignore it (that food make them sick). I do permaculture design too but I used raised beds, not circles and I keep living tree in the layout. Sun orientation is key but I keep some ideas you shared here as they may come handy in some situations.
AWSOME!
is the winter and summer sun path the opposite direction for the southern hemisphere? im in Western Australia and I’ve always noticed my North facing bedroom window gets direct sunlight in winter and none in summer.
I think the permaculture plan looks better because you used colored pencils… Just kidding… it’s an obvious choice especially considering the traditional landscape company, if they can even come up with a “traditional” design like that, … All void space will be lawn.
Hello! How much does a plan costs? I have something like 130-150 square metres yard and want to use it to the fullest.
How much did you pay for the permaculture design plan? Can you send me a link to the company?
Please provide a list of p. designers in VIC Australia.
Why aren't you looking for yourselves?
and if the golden ratio was included in all design dimensions, it would be even more amazing.
Thanks for the info! I love it!
I am looking for a good certificate program for landscape design do you have any recommendations?
This is incredible. Where do you find a person that designs like this in my area.
Tina Salas try googling permaculture designer or consultant in your area
You can also give us a call, we design lots of jobs off site.
wow, nice ending!
👍👍👍
lovely video. thank you!
Have you ever used a deep mulch system with the chickens?
IF there were a slope.
Your wind dilemma is blocked by a wooden fence.
And... the garden is so smallest I've seen. I would've opted for a greenhouse connected from garden beds to the chicken shack with worms underneath the veggie platforms for compost (also inside chicken shack underneath chicken nests) so chickens can have a portion of fresh worms at my discretion.
Wow!
What would the initial cost be of such a setup though? including planting fruit trees, irrigation, solar power and structures. I really like the concept though, it's like LEAN Farming.
Absolute wrong relation of locations of trees towards the greenhouses in relation to the Sun. Come on!!
The greenhouses are at higher elevations than the trees. They won't block sunlight, hopefully.
Given how close together those trees were in the drawing, they'd have to be dwarf trees and shrubs, too.
Also the bottom nut a fruit trees stop the problem of the noise pollution from the south. So it acts in many more ways than just the lowest water cleaning drain system
I choose the colorful one
Two companies? The handwriting is identical on both. The plans were clearly created by the same person. Why tell stories?
It's called being a huckster
what company did the family contact for a consultaion or design?
Really lovely design! Thank you for sharing it. If I may ask, when creating a similar design, should one account for the trees blocking the sun?
Also wouldn't green house A block out sun and create a shadow behind it, especially in the summer when it is covered with a shade cloth?
yes to both. you'd be surprised how many plants can grow really well under shade
Brilliant!
Verry nice channel 👏😻
I’d like to see what you would come up with on a 30 acre homestead. That’s what I’d really like to do.
You would take all the elements here into account but further divide the area into zones in terms of how close they are to your house. The more attention they need the closer that design element should be to your house. So it would gradually go from things like a kitchen herb spiral and raised beds, to an orchard / tree guilds, to the end being pure untended wilderness.
Video starts at 2:18
> "We would like a garden that is easy to maintain."
> Designs a farm that takes hours of daily maintenance.