91: FBI Profiler Jim Clemente
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna talk with former FBI Profiler Jim Clemente about Maura's disappearance.
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Well done guys! Hopefully Jim can talk some more in the near future.
Great interview!! Could listen to this profiler discuss his thoughts on cases all day! Really informative and amazed at how much I learned in such a short interview! Keep up the good work! 👍
Check out his podcast "Real crime profile" it's good
James Chandler I’ll have to check it out!
It’s odd that nobody ever came forward in the area to state that she had reservations to stay somewhere. Where was she headed & who was she headed too?? It doesn’t appear she had booked a hotel or cabin anywhere under her name so I find this odd. Nobody ever came forward to say they were suppose to meet her & she never showed up, again this is stranger. Where was she headed??? $200 isn’t a lot of money when you consider.... food, gas & shelter.
I just finished Evil has a name with Jim Clemente, it was one of the audiobooks I have ever heard. Great job getting him on guys!
Wish him and his staff would totally research this case. Cold cases can get solved with the proper resources
Allie DEROSA They need that female attorney from that show, I think its called Cold Justice. She and her team have solved cold cases that are decades old.
@Ally DEROSA Completely agree. I feel like the right team or individual can, at the very least, eliminate other possibilities and narrow it down to the most likely possibility, which is usually is enough pressure for a plea deal or enough circumstantial evidence to press charges. @Poppynurse (Her first name is Kelly...the Prosecuter from Houston who never lost a case). Can't remember her last name?
Charlie Bayer I just Googled her, Its Kelly Seigler, Cold Justice
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When he said that the guy picking her up may have done so for altruistic reasons and then saw his chance to attack and gave in to the impulse seems a lot closer to being likely than that some serial killer happened by.
I have always thought that was exactly what happened. Starts good - ends bad. It happens so often.
spikeitfool1
Yip.
I feared it may well have been a Paul Sheldon/Annie Wilkes situation. God, I hope not.
If you like the guy they interviewed check out his podcast "real crime profile". It's good!
Yeeees! A frequent visitor of the area. That's a good theory. There are areas that I don't live in but know very well from visiting family or just going on vacation every year. There are even areas that I lived in as a kid that I would feel very comfortable in. Never thought of that as a possibility.
And it was nighttime so don't nefarious ppl tend to do these types of things while driving around alone away from family ? For instance, there's a family reunion he's attending but uses an excuse to leave to get away from them and sees her and attacks and later goes back to his family like nothing happened, later they pack up and leave to head back home
This guy is fascinating bring him back 100 times
Great job guys! Excellent interview.
Jim Clemente is so damn awesome. I love this guy. One of my favorite guys ever
Great profiler!
Hell yeah. His profiling on the West Memphis 3 killer was amazing.
I drove through the area 2 days ago to bring my car to coventry garage. It always gets me seeing that blue ribbon.
holy shit you guys talk too much....get to the interview. Starts at 923
So much bullshit in the beginning. Why can't they just get to the point and start the interview??
Agreed. So much pointless yammering.
I'm sure you guys know this now, but Maura was bulimic, and she WAS seeing a counselor around the time of her disappearance as per Julie. She didn't take the counselor very seriously but I'd call that a mental health issue.
Can we DM you guys with questions?
Bruce Atwood.
Who the hell is “Bruce”?
I found his views very insightful. He made alot of sense to me. That was a great interview. Thanks
The most interesting part was him talking about voluntarily disappearing. Unless someone has training or some skill on doing so, it's unlikely she could disappear for this long of her own accord.
It seems like a lost opportunity. He was willing to spend more time on it but Tim and Lance hadn't given him enough information. I don't know why they think it was a good idea to give him limited information. Do FBI profilers not know how to sift through relevant and irrelevant, likely and unlikely scenarios? Jim Clemente finished up by asking for more information. A thorough written summary might help.
I wish the camera was face to face instead of looking down on top of their heads..I have always felt that Maura got into a car with the wrong person which sadly, ended up causing her to loose her life at just 21 years old..
Yes on both of your statements. Who hung the camera like that ?! Ridiculous idea!
Someone came across Maura at the wrong place, wrong time and took advantage of her vulnerability. She got into a vehicle and was gone.
I think something happened before the accidents. Something at West Point. It caused her to steal and that set the wheels in motion for everything that happened after. I think she may have been raped and was acting out, bulimia, drinking, stealing, cheating could all be signs of trauma.
@@lorimiller4301 I think so too, maybe by Bill her boyfriend who has recentIy been outed as a sexuaI predator. Something happened to her at West Point, maybe many somethings, and her behavior changed after that. I think she must’ve hid this behavior from her family and high school friends because their descriptions of her and her behavior in the college years don’t seem to match.
I love this Jim Clemente interview. I've ALWAYS felt that Maura met with foul play from a man who offered to give her a ride/help her. I think if she had ran into the woods, her body surely would have been found by now. It may be rural, but it's NOT like the vast wilderness of the Pacific Northwest! It was a crime of opportunity--YES! Also, there just isn't any basis for saying that Maura was a sociopath/psychopath! If anything, a psychopath happened upon Maura when her defenses were down. She had been drinking, and didn't want to get in trouble. I also agree that there is no way that she has gone on to create a whole new life. She had some stressors, sure! Enough for a week-end away--not to leave everything and everyone she loved behind to start over. People who do that are hiding from mob hit men, or hiding from the law after committing a major crime or something. And they are almost always caught. You all have talked about what great shape Maura was in. Yes, she was. But a thin 120 lbs. woman is no match for a big/strong man, unless she's had some kind of extraordinary Special Forces training or something like that.
Understanding the Psychology of Maura is key to knowing what happened. Based on everything I've ever heard about the case, there are only two possible explanation: She was picked up or abducted by a local and was murdered/disposed of -or- She knew the cops were coming and decided to make her way in the forest to hide out and decide what to do next. If that was the case, she likely died in the elements but where is the body?
Another thing I was thinking about... I’m a nurse and would have been in nursing school at the same time as Maura. I know for me personally, nursing school was the most stressful time of my life. I was used to making A’s on tests and quickly became happy with B’s and C’s on nursing exams. I ended up in the hospital twice with dehydration and panic attacks (something I never experienced prior). I also worked 2 jobs and would sleep in my car in the hospital parking lot for a couple hours before clinicals started. I honestly felt like I was going crazy at times due to sleep deprivation and stress to retain so much information in a very short period of time.. I could see anyone getting overwhelmed... and add the other stresses she was experiencing on top of it all! Just wish we knew what happened after that point.
I am a RN also, you know a BSN is the hardest degree based on test, papers due per Guinness. I thought it was pretty stressful also
Knowing about her rigorous school responsibilities I’ve always wondered if maybe a part of the purpose of her trip was to catch up on some sleep. She was known to take Tylenol pm too, so there’s a sign of her having sleep issues.
I would love to have you guys and him do this for Jennifer Kesse.
This guy , Maura’s brother , and having Karen Mayotte on have been the best 3 episodes by far. More of this guy !!
I thought the profiler already knew about the case...lots of time wasted explaining the story, i thought he was going to UNPACK all this
Still didn’t approach the suicide option though. For me, one of the most interesting things Jim said was schizophrenia can often begin to show itself in people in their early 20’s and, without proper diagnosis, it can be very difficult for someone to understand why their mental state is failing. Pair that information with what we learned from the Supervisor the other week, where Maura presents disassociating behaviour. I am very split on the abduction/suicide theories, but I keep going back to Bradyn Fuksa and how similar his story is to Maura’s. Yes, Bradyn was eventually found, but only by pure luck, 4 years later, 70 miles from where he abandoned his car.
So does Bipolar disorder.
All of this, plus the fact she had multiple boxes of sleeping pills has always led me to believe she went into the woods, took the pills with alcohol, fell asleep and never woke up. The dogs they brought out in the beginning were using gloves she had never worn to track her scent and if they hadn’t made that mistake, I bet she would have been found right away. She probably entered the woods down the street away from her car so they wouldn’t see her footprints.
@@amyashley3182 I buy benadryl for sleep and it's cheaper in a 2-pack combination package so I buy more than I need each time
Bradyn Fuksa? Seriously??? How does someone get through life with a name like that?
@@miningcamper 😂✌
There are a lot of fine details that you didn't go into with Clemente. And bear in mind I'm not complaining, but I'm very interested in what he'd make of them, and I hope to hear his reaction to them at some future time.
Could have also been someone that comes to that area every ski season
Well now that theory seems even more likely
Excellent episode. Lots of great points and such to take away from this. I feel that the person who took Maura, was someone she may have seen before? Her family camped in the area, so this person could have been watching Maura for some time. Its hard to say. Although I still stand behind my theory that something began at West Point, and it ended at UMass. In all honesty, we do not have concrete evidence that it was Maura that went to NH that night. Given that JS our rogue wannabe PI released a statement in the past day or so, we will know hopefully soon, if they have located Maura. I have a strong hunch that JS is doing what he does best, looking for attention in anyway he can get it. One of the many things that bothers me with him. Not to mention he has said how many times he is taking a break from this case only to show back up within an hour. It would be great if you could get Kurtis or Julie to come on and clear some things up in the beginning of the year. Especially the relationship between JS and the Murray family. Glad you Had Clemente on, lots of great info and lots of new things to think about now.
How do you not bring up any suspects including carpenter and his actions and comments he made after she went missing. Would love to hear his thinking on him.
Don't dislike Clemente but he seems like the establishments go-to guy they send to comment on big cases like jonbenet Ramsey, Amanda knox and many others, and some of his opinions have honestly astounded me in the past. But him not having a clear agenda going into mauras case makes me less skeptical of his opinion here.
I’m still leaning towards something happening/foul play near the scene of the accident. Someone out there knows something. Maura’s family deserve the truth, they need closure. Please come forward if you have any information
Jim Clemente was very good. It's unfortunate that the hosts steered him into the (highly implausible, IMO) notion that Maura was abducted by some evil person who just happened to find her.
Her body is in the woods somewhere in the vicinity of the crash.
So ur telling me this klown had never heard of Maura, previously ? Kkk, ok dudes
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My theory.....she was drinking and driving. Crashed her car. Didn't want to get a DUI. Wandered off in the cold to hide from cops. Succumbed to the elements. Almost did the same myself. Saw a car coming after I ran out of gas and literally hung off what I thought was a short bridge. Went to get my car the next day and that bridge was 75 feet high. I was literally hanging, hands only visible from the road on the drop side. If I wasn't only 145 lbs I'd never have been able to pull myself back up.
Please don’t shoot me if I’m incorrect BUT Ifollow this case closely but no one seems to talk/speculate very much about WHERE she was headed. A student can live quite a while on $280 if they were going to stay at someone’s house. If she just needed pocket money for food she could have coasted. I was in school at the same time and we all tried to spend $5 a day on food (using grocery stores and group meals) so we would have more money left for cocktails🤓 Maybe her sister discovered something between Maura and her husband and that’s why Maura was hysterically crying on the phone. Then she could have got the alcohol and was driving to her sister to sort it out. Her nerves must have been bad because most of us girls that I iknew would never drink and drive....it was such a big campaign back then in schools. I think she maybe had to have just a drink or maybe 2 because her nerves would have been so frazzled and she she needed to reduce her anxiety. Then maybe the creepy husband killed her and put her in the carpet in his truck or so the story went.... Wherever she was headed would probably give a huge piece of the puzzle.
He raised some very good questions, because that area is small. There isn't hardly anyone in that area, the neighbors were older and it's always been interesting that their stories are all different of their accounts of Maura's wreck then seeing her and those stories changing everytime. There is snow everywhere and the cops claimed they looked for her yet no footprint's? That has always been a big debatable because if she went on foot like so many have said there would have been foot prints it's not possible or logical that she didn't leave foot prints snd i don't know why that hasn't been brought up more. You guys are bad about rabbit holes, all mody channels hVe done os zero in on the time. Those minutes of her disappearance when no one really knows if the cops have ever been truthful everyone's account of time is different therefore the time isn't right so you can't go on that. Then John Smith he is stuck on certain law enforcement cover ups. Her body has never been found, her stuff has never been found, no one has csme forward. I think it's time people start excepting that something bad happened to her and she isn't going to ne found unless someone comes forward. She isn't on those woods she would have been found by now.
Some essential facts and circumstances were omitted from your discussion with Jim Clemente: 1) Maura had appeared in court on credit card fraud and was required to stay out of trouble for six months or face a legal penalty that could lead to her expulsion from the UMass nursing program. Then she crashed her father's car after drinking. 2) Among the contents of her car were sleeping pills. According to a police log shown on the Oxygen show there were six boxes of sleeping pills. 3) What about Petrit Vasi?
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I did not know of the sleeping pills. I would of liked him to also know about the smashed wind screen. And maybe touched into the police theory that she _might_ be suicidal. Maybe also mentioned the display of distress she showed after learning about her sister to her colleagues.
Great idea to bring a profiler on the podcast though. Wish he had more facts and details so he could get a better objective profile. Maybe he will be on again.
There were a lot of things going on for sure in her life before the crash incident.
@@chrisclausen5447 But that is what he is saying, those things don't matter. She did not have the skill set to disappear or go off the grid without detection nor did she have the skill set to commit suicide while ensuring her body remained permanently undetected, especially if she was inebriated. She was inebriated because she was stressed and sad, yes, but he is saying that it does not indicate anything except that she was drinking to relieve her feelings. It does not indicate a covert operation that she planned in advance to commit suicide. Even if it did, her wrecked car threw a big wrench in her plan. The main role or importance of her state of mind is that her guard was down because she was drinking and she was more susceptible to foul play, i.e. accepting help or a ride from a stranger.
You guys should really make the episode an hour and a half cuz it seems like you have been talking for a half an hour immersed in the episode is only an hour long so dumb episode just because you guys are taking up so much time have a good day
His point about the snow and footprints is so important; she didn't float anywhere. So I don't put a lot of store by the apparent lack of tracks into the woods.
If he got the information from you, then it’s biased. All second, third, fourth etc hand information is subject to a layer of bias per person the information passed through to get to you.
Brutal. Jim wants more info!
Random, Planned, Followed... "The walls have ears"!! In New Hampshire all ears, are on the police scanner, located in almost every home. as it is in many rural areas . Keeping an ear open for news, for the well being of your loved ones, or for the opportunity to take advantage of a young woman.
Seeing her walk by, and offering her refuge, from the LE, who everyone now knows were called and on their way. They would not need to know she was in the car mishap, only that she was an only female, walking on the road, near there.... Maybe they did not even know it was a female. Seeing or hearing someone on the road, the thought that that person may have been in that car mishap, would be a reasonable thought. Finding out that this person was a female may have been a surprise and a bonus. Maura might have taken the offer for cover, and hoped to use the phone to call for help.
This all went wrong and Maura would have been quite capable of defending herself. Then she was in trouble and sadly murdered, whether accidentally or on purpose.
Jim talking about a kind person taking Maura would make sense. New Hampshire is very quaint and filled with small towns with hearty people. People are very trusting. It would make sense that it would be a local person..someone who knows the area.
My question is , is Maura a trusting person ? She didn't even except help from the Bus driver....why would she get in a car with a complete stranger? Maybe a man with kids in the car? Or a friend ? Maybe people her age ? ( I am just speculating) it doesn't make sense she would go with just anyone if she didn't take a helping hand from the friendly busdriver.
@Melinda Francis very true...and a good point.
Unless she did, and she just did it later. (Remembering where the dogs tracked her to, if that was even correct, of course.) Didn't his wife say he never went out looking for her? If she is correct, then why would he need to say he did?
Someone suggested gunpoint. And then it's obvious. Guy pulls up, gun pointed at her, get in. I thought the same things too, why wouldnt she resist or would there have been a scene? Something as simple and effective as a gun pointed will produce uncommon compliance. This case is insane! Even the local police angle is messed up. I have never heard of a more confounding mystery. If we ever find out, I fear it will be a deathbed confession.
IMO, Maura did not accept Butch’s help
bc he was the “friendly bus driver”.
Butch knew Maura wrecked and mentioned contacting LE.
Maura “begged” Butch not to contact LE but I am sure she knew he was going to.
Maura wanted to distance herself from her vehicle and the wreck.
I think she was booking it away from the crash sight since she knew Butch was going to call the cops.
I believe Maura had been drinking and realized she was in big trouble.
I think she was desperate and got into a car with someone much closer to her age.
A few men going that way to loon mountain to work?
Would have like to hear his perspective on college roommates possibly knowing something and if they truly did, is it possible the could remain silent all these years. Could they know if she left with someone or possibly meeting someone up north to get away for a bit.
It sucks that the bus driver left her there. If I were the bus driver no way I'm leaving a young woman out there in the dark alone after a crash. She said she called AAA and the bus driver knew it was a lie. So why not wait and ask her more questions? Knowing she was vulnerable and disoriented, he shouldn't have left.
I Agree. You just don't leave someone exposed like that.
If a woman crashed her car in front of your house and pled with you NOT to call police you would continue pushing her?
Butch turned into his driveway, parked and made sure LE was called.
He even parked his bus and stayed in the vehicle to ensure he could see LE arrive.
interesting stuff but poor audio
Just a really minor point -- A student, especially in those days, could make 200 bucks go really far. Speaking from experience, if she were careful she could last a month on it, which would give her enough time to start a new job and start getting a paycheck. Unfortunately, I don't believe that's what happened but just wanted to give some perspective. To a creative kid, $200 would likely have seemed like enough to go on, she wouldn't need a fortune.
Considering ANY lodging in that area would have been at least $100 a night…
Where was Maura going to stay?
Totally agree. Great info, makes allot of sense. Some day the answer will come.
Jesus ten minutes of ads
Wasn't there a towel/rag stuffed into her tail pipe that the police found?? If so this was someone who knew her car would eventually stop running. If she stopped at a bar prior to hitting the snow bank then it is possible someone at the bar did this. Could have been 2 or 3 guys following her. There was info about 3 guys who worked at a sawmill up the road aways from where she crashed. I'm not so sure about the bus driver. Also wasn't some liquor missing from her car?? Compared to what she purchased prior?? People do not just vanish into thin air. This case needs to be looked at again with fresh eyes. Maybe these guys were just going to "party" with her in their minds, & then things got out of control & they decided to get rid of her??!!
That theory has been explored. Most people believe the explanation her father Fred gave, essentially his advice was if the exhaust pipe ever smoked, stick a rag up there to help prevent it and maybe that Maura had this thought in her head in a last ditch attempt to start the car. Also, the oxygen series used a similar car under similar conditions and the rag blew out almost instantly. The 3 guys allegedly worked at Loon Mountain which is roughly 35-40 mins away and have never been identified. We'd all love to know who they are.
I think this guy is spot on and best explains why her body has never been found.
I do not think you should re redo your earlier episodes. They were well done. Cannot get the scorpion out of my head. You recognize your growth. Doesn't make your past work less valuable. In fact, maybe you were more free to state the obvious.
How is her dad? When I think in Maura always think in her dad!💙
PerlaWOW
yeah me to, I know he is getting older, I pray he finds out what happens to her before he passes.
@@bobreilly1246 If he passes before finding out what happened to Maura, he will have all the answers when he crosses over. Heaven is all-knowing, in my opinion. He will also be reunited with Maura and they will both be full of so much love.
well said
what?
@@bobreilly1246 hahaha. What??
I think it might have been the local dude who was a musician and lived in his van.His ex wife said that he'd asked her about finding a body in a body of water around there.And she was thinking about that in hindsight.I think his name was Tim.Have they thoroughly investigated him?
Jim Clemente is fantastic, super knowledgeable can listen to him discuss cases all day.
If I were a student again, I wish Jim Clemente were the professor: the man knows everything about everything.
This case is just heartbreaking.
U remember the first reports and the more the facts were made public ,more often I thought: of course it's the boyfriend.
Would she enter a car of a person unknown to her?
Who actually called 911? Butch or the lady across the street??! I don’t find it strange that Butch backed his bus in and was being nosey, waiting for police to show up. Also if Butch could tell she was drunk/smell alcohol , then two things. Someone saw her stumbling and took her or she kept to the road a bit then waltzed in the woods to drink all her booze and die warm and fuzzy?
I L.O.V.E Jim Clemente
Amazing episode. Thanks!
The guy on the left needs to shut up more and let the guy on the right speak more the guy on the right is more direct with his questions clear into the point the guy on the left tends to drag on it's frustrating
What's the significance of the type of bus?
i feel asleep listening to this and had a vivid dream of a home with bars on the windows it was creepy
I don’t think there’s any indication of schizophrenia, but Jim is right to say the early twenties are a turbulent time for many people. Here is a young woman who was accepted to West Point. Clearly there’s a lot of pressure for her to succeed. At the same time we see impulsive behaviors. Shoplifting is impulsive, and it got her kicked out of West Point. Weren’t there other criminal concerns at that time in her life? I think her behaviors were a cry for help. She was self-sabotaging because she didn’t think she was good enough. In addition, she is dealing with her stress by drinking. She has numerous car accidents in the span of a few months. Added to this inner turmoil about her drinking behavior is the knowledge of sister’s issues with drinking. I think she was ‘running away’ because she was afraid of being arrested, and being kicked out of nursing school after also failing at West Point. I think she was afraid to face her father’s disapproval and/or the disapproval of others (even if imagined). She didn’t want to seek help from the neighbors or the bus driver, because she would have to face the cops. She had alcohol in the car, and had been drinking alcohol. She was afraid she would be arrested, and she knew the cops were on their way. (Btw, New Hampshire state troopers are known for being pretty strict, tho I suppose it was local cops that responded). To escape, she impulsively took a ride from a stranger/ strangers, and unfortunately met foul play. It’s the likely explanation. There are no footprints leading away from car. The only question I have.. did she take her pocketbook? Glasses? House keys?
Sharp guy! Great guest! You should bring him back. When he said he’d gotten a degree in chemistry, I knew he was brilliant. 💪🏻 God I hate chemistry. Lol
Very interesting
Hmm...so a local or ex local visiting
Let's get him on again for more info!!! That's exactly the person we need looking into this for our theories
50 adds…what a waste
This is my first posting but I have followed this story since the podcast launched.
Here are a few thoughts:
-Several exes went on record stating Maura was promiscuous (not judging, just saying; my own past is no church choir)
-Alcohol and alcoholism are obviously genetically strong in her family
-She was having an early-20’s crisis realizing she wasn’t the perfect image as portrayed in high school (again not judging)
-She needed to get away. I do not believe she was suicidal. Desperate maybe but not suicidal.
-She was closer to wasted than sober
-She was abducted by either a criminal-of-opportunity or she didn’t know whomever might’ve been a “tandem driver” as well as she thought she did
-The only true gut-feeling that I cannot shake is about the A-frame house
-SOMETHING happened there (Brianna Maitland??)
-Lastly (and this is wacky, I know, but there’s plenty out there on it) from The Smokies, through the Green Mountains & certainly up into the White Mountains, the entire Appalachian Range is rife with 200 years of disappearances. There are dozens of documented incidents regarding “hill people” multigenerational victims of inbreeding and antisocial non-culture & upbringing. The whole “these hills have eyes” concept. If this resonates w/ you do a deep dive on The Martin Disappearance” and be sure to focus on why a company of Army Rangers descended on the Smokies and conducted spook style night ops for a week during the hunt for the Martin boy.)
-There’s something about the Appalachian Mountains that irks me. It is a feeling that I do not get in the Sierras or the Rockies.
-Regrettably I personally believe that Maura Murray was dead by Tuesday February 10th.
Lastly, a number of well meaning friends or acquaintances of Maura’s have stated she was “smart, but not street smart” Folks, this is 5 days before 2020. People get gunned down for being at Walmart at the wrong time. Fathers, raise your daughters to be crazy, hyper-suspicious. Raise your daughters to require trust be built & proven. Over time. This is not the America of 1955. This is not the America of 1975. This is not the America of 1995. There are enough psychopaths and sociopaths among us (plus alcoholics, dope fiends and Big Pharma test cases) who may have barely contained malice in their hearts 24/7 and are merely waiting for their own moment of a young, confused, pretty and likely intoxicated girl to stumble across their paths.
When examining this case I think a hybrid solution is likely. But I think the fork in the road is whether you believe she got into a car with a stranger or that the tandem driver was her abducter and murderer. I know this is unpopular but I am going to write it anyway. It is actually a second gut-feeling that I cannot shake. And please forgive me as I am not trying to be a jerk, I’m just laying out what sticks in my craw:
-Investigate that A-frame house and property to the last nail
-There’s something about Maura’s father that I can feel. Something very dark. May be totally irrelevant to the case (as may be the A-frame house, but we are all bound in one big story and there’s something about that man. I am only stating my opinion and I hope that I am wrong and he is just a grief stricken father. But again,there’s something there. God bless all who care about this story and are genuinely moved by a lost young lady who was as much a part of this world as all of us.
Tim and Lance you never mentioned Vasi's hit and run WHY ?
Because it’s not relevant to the case. There’s no evidence whatsoever that Maura hit Vasi or that her car being driven by someone else hit Vasi, and it would have been really difficult for Maura to be able to leave her work station undetected to drive over to where she needed to be, hit Vasi, come all the way back and no one knew she left. It just doesn’t make sense.
@@thesacredmountain3448 IDK if you’re familiar The Prosecutors podcast?
Brett explored the theory that Maura, or at least Maura’s car hit Vasi.
Brett and Alice of The Prosecutors Podcast are both attorneys.
Brett shared information about paint chips found on/near Vasi.
Evidently the colors were extremely unique.
According to The Prosecutors podcast the paint chips are consistent with the Saturn emblem.
I’ve never given this theory much thought.
I did find The Prosecutors theory compelling though.
Jim I always pretty plausible, although I lost a little respect after the Jon Bonet programme he collaborated on. I still don’t agree with him about that.
Somebody should take Jim Clemente and make a teddybear with his face. He is not handsome, he is not sexy, he is not cute, but he is sooo likable.
This is awesome . Best little nugget ever! Great listen. Thanks 😘
But, you could plan something: if you were listening to a CB. Back then ...
What about the rag in the tail pipe?
Fred has explained that a million times.
Has anyone considered that both accidents were suicide attempts? Or maybe the 2nd one staged?
These Grappone ads keep saying "Maura, your car is ready" while the guy dangles a key to the camera...
Excellent!
Jim Clemente is the best
They dont give Clemente enough details. The bus driver reported maura was cold and shivering at 7:30pm. Police arrived 15 minutes later. The area has no cell service. She knew she would get a DUI if she waited around for the cops. Probably walked or ran down the road trying to get service, saw a car coming and got in the woods at some point. Juat do a sattelite view of that area. Its 99% forest, valleys, and gorges. Nobody kidnapped her. Either lazy searching by people or rough terrain to search. Id bet she died 20 yards off the side of that road a mile or 2 up or down from where her car was.
She was seen an hour later on the road by a witness. Maura had sneakers on dude, the snowbanks were 2-3 feet high she did NOT go into the woods. She traveled on the rd and was eventually pick up by an opportunist.
Good episode. I quit listening and lost all respect when one of you asked James Renner why Maura Murray didn't get an abortion. That was really really lame. However, you guys asked good questions in this episode and I hope your guest returns.
What? Did she place a child for adoption? I know she was Catholic, so that would've been the reason for not having one, if she believed that her soul would be in eternal hell if she did so. But that is non of Renner's business. I didn't like him labeling her a sociopath.
@@didirobert3657 there’s no evidence she was ever even pregnant.
Finally they have a true Lord forsman investigator on their show. No offense to art but the marshals service usually just looks for people that have already been accused of crimes or have warrants for their arrest. They usually do not solve crimes. And Maggie is a nice woman but she is incredibly naive and not a seasoned investigative reporter. She is too easily swayed by Fred Murray's lies. I like how this man focused on the stressors in her life immediately before she disappeared. I wonder what he would think if he knew that Maura 's 2 girlfriends have refused to speak publicly about what happened at the party immediately before she left.
True law enforcement
What “lies” did Fred tell?
The road is close to you and I. what is wrong with this statement?
The "d" is missing. It should say the road is closed.
A misogyny-free zone with Maura Murray's mother. Otherwise, this expert was too cavalier. You didn't owe him your methodology! The fact he didn't care enough to learn about the case virtually screamed he was on your podcast for self-publicity. Aside from pummeling you with fancy-schmantzy criminal profiling terms, what about this interview was really that special? The only special thing was respecting that Maura's mother had just been diagnosed with cancer.
Did she have an ATM card or a check card. If it was ATM card the withdrawel means nothing. If its a check card then she was running and didnt want to be tracked or she was getting the money for someone else most likely under distress