A point you missed was the mythical/historic Saraswati river which flowed parallel to Indus. The interesting fact is that most Harappan cities were not on Indus but on the valley of now dried up Ghaggar Hakra river which many identify as river Saraswati. From your video it is pretty clear that the books you read as source material were written in the 70s or 80s. I would recommend you reading The Ancient Indian History by Upinder Singh(daughter of former prime Minister Manmohan Singh). The historiography in India is now dominated by Indians and they use modern techniques unlike in the past when it was mostly written by foreigners with biases. Take for example you calling Buddha a non Aryan ; He acknowledges himself as a Kshatriya of the shakya clan. Your conclusion that Mauryans ruled through oral dictates is purely based on megasthenes , the Greek ambassador’s writings that said Indians had no written language. But actually there are hundreds of Ashokan inscriptions written in Brahmi script which had edicts propagating dharma and these inscriptions were uniform throughout the country which rules out your theory of lack of centralisation. The Mauryans never let the conquered territories be ruled by the locals as you said ; Ashoka was the Governor of Takshashila / Gandhara province (present Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan) before becoming the king , so princes were the Governors and not the locals. And finally your knowledge of varna system and Jati system is too juvenile. Jati and varna are two different things .All the three higher Varnas have the right to wear the sacred thread ; but not all higher Jatis have the right to do so. Jati is highly fluid; you could be a lower Jati now but could rise up if your social standing rises , but your varna remains the same. To understand this I would take myself as an example . I am from a higher jati called Nair but I belong to shudra varna; The rulers of Calicut whom Portuguese first encountered were from my Jati (caste); so he was a shudra ruler of the Kingdom. To make it more clear , the caste system is actually the Jati system and not the Varna hierarchy. Though it forms the basic framework for classification , varna system was never practiced in its ideal form but Jati hierarchy is a painful reality even today.
@@pyropulseIXXI yes chattari “Ariya Saccani” in pali or chatvari Arya satyani in Sanskrit for four noble truths...and arya ashtangamarga for eight fold path.....
@@kaushiksinha4673 Yes DNA analysis of the remains found at various Indus Valley sites show them to be genetically similar to the current population of Punjab and Sindh ; But what about the language groups. Indo Aryan languages are not at all related to Dravidian ones except for the many Sanskrit loan words. Vedic Sanskrit is closer to Avestan Persian than to the Tamil of the sangam period. So there must have been a migration from somewhere of the group which brought Sanskrit to India. As he said this group would have been a small one who would have filled the power vacuum caused by the fall of Harappan civilisation due to climatic or geographic reasons. Their language might have mixed with the ones of the larger population resulting in languages with an Indo Aryan base but evolved over time with many non Indo Aryan words. That is why classical Sanskrit is a whole different entity compared to Vedic Sanskrit. They are mutually unintelligible. This did not happen in the south as it was not the part of the original Aryavarta , which extended only till Maharashtra. So the Indo Aryan speakers might be genetically same as the Dravidian speakers , but their languages are different.
I've been to India four times and feel I understand it only a basic level. Each state of India is like its own country, and each division of a state like its own autonomous region. All I know is every inch of that wondrous nation is saturated with history and intrigue, peppered with works of artistic and architectural majesty. Tamil Nadu is my favorite part of India...so vibrant, colorful and beautiful! The temples of TN are extraordinary, almost other worldly. I hope to do my fifth trip within the next two years.
think that all the time, it would take several life times to fully grasp the history of hindustan and asia. Its taking me half my own life just learning about my own peoples continental history, which is mostly destroyed with whats left still feeling like a endless amounts of discovery and history barely being uncovered. the 5 cradles of civilization do have a unparalleled deep rich history.
Some of the reasons why we know so little about ancient India: 1. Everything rots in this weather except for Rock. All the books require to be rewritten in two or three centuries. This requires enormous budget and state patronage. 2. We burn our dead, not burry. Graves are actually one of the best places to find artifacts for archaeologists. 3. Budget constraints for archaeologists of India. 4. Many ancient cities are continuously inhabited. You can't tell millions of people to just move for archeological excavation. 5. Theft of ancient artifacts during British Raj.
6 would be.- destruction of old evidences, culture, scriptures, libraries like burning of Nalanda, stone carvings on architecture destroyed like old temples etc by Islamic invaders for uprooting the old society to build their own new Islamic society which can't be questioned due to non existent past.
U forgot the most important thing that education took place in temples and also written history and documents and temples were first target of Muslims . We had temples of hindu and buddist as far as Persia and middle east but can we find them ? No , we can't because they were destroyed by muslim and with them the history and records were too some temples which survived we can see having family records far back as 500 years .
I sadly agree. Too little has been invested in archeological digs in India. Although the difficulties you mentioned are most probably also a complicating matter. Although the political tensions between India and Pakistan have most probably also further complicated this matter (at least when it comes to the 'Harappan' civilization). But, with that said - and I'm not in any way biased here, or in any way condone the many inhumane acts of the British Raj - it wasn't 'only' the British Raj who have stolen a lot of invaluable artifacts from India...for ex. countless raids and incursions on Indian lands have come from several other different 'warlords' - for ex. from Iran, Afghanistan, central Asia, etc., etc.. They all did very much the same. Anyway - cheers from Sweden.
india is a very maximalist culture. it is like the opposite of Scandinavia. Indian food is overflowing with spices and random ingredients, Norwegians eat like plain fish and some bread. Indians outfits are all extremely overflowing with patterns and colors. Norwegians dress in earth tones. Indians have the entire village turn out for a wedding with 10,000 people. Norwegians have like their immediate family and thats it. lol
Yes, some of the most documented histories and cultures (due to location and temperatures) of the world is having it's culture erased/given up. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
In the map on 0:40, you should have included the Philippine Island of Cebu as one of the places influenced by India. The Island’s first kingdom was founded by a Chola Prince from Sri Vijaya.
@@possiblyzero3582the map is wrong in 0:40, Cebu Island in the Philippines should also be Pink since the supposed founder of Cebu Island polity is a Chola Empire prince who lived in Sri Vijaya.
9:46 no , originally it was supposed to be like you can jump between the castes but during later years it was lost in translation and it became a rule that you can't change Cates or marry someone outside your caste
@@davidisliberal2973 not just that but the hate towards trans or LGBTQ+pro Max is here also because of Britishers,they were the ones that didn't like gay people and when the came here they passed laws to punish kinnar(Indian version of LGBTQ) just because they were neither male nor female, otherwise kinners were treated as higher gender and always invited to events as kind of chief guest
@@starmaker75 thats wrong, people were divided into casts according to their skill and not their birth, the original varna system could enable a vaishya born to be a kshatriya or brahmin
Sorry, that my fellow Indians couldn't handle your well researched video well. They're very triggered, that's the false pride that our current fascist government has instilled in them. One correction: Hinduism was never a religion. It grew from Historical Vedic religion of which many gods in the pantheon were foreign in origin, then the local castes (jatis) added their flavor to it making it modern Hinduism. In simple words, that religion is Brahminism as was found in documents by my visitors to India. This is one of the most honest videos ive ever come across where you were uninhibited and weren't worried for offending our brainwashed people who believe in whatever they see over what their gurus teach them. 10/10 quality. Keep it up, subbed!
Hangeul (Korean script) is like that. I think it was based on a Mongolian script called the phags-pa which was designed by a Tibetan monk. So it must have an indic origin before that.
@Whatifalthist Bureaucracy did exist in all Ancient Indian Empire and it was an elaborate one. Kautilya's Arthshastra tells about the bureaucracy in detail and Mauryan Empire was not a decentralised state but a centralised police state and Kings were not involved in Horse sacrifice alone. The Horse Sacrifice was a means of grabbing territory from a neighbouring Kingdom without waging war. Records were also maintained in all Indian Empires especially for Judicial Functions.
@@kaushiksinha4673 he is grossly misinformed , he has not read a single indian book written by a nationalist and to hide that he dismisses them by saying they are unhinged . He uses a few unhinged eliments and then goes on to eliminate an entire school .
The horse ritual of ashwamedh yagna was only done by strongest King such as Chandragupta otherwise it would mean act of war . The horse going anywhere with army to protect it only rich and strong guy can afford that
I don’t know if it’s intentional. But I always appreciate your “Now back to the video” screen length. As someone who spam skips through the advert I always land on the screen. Never missing the start of the video!
1)Whenever you visit India, Visit Kurukshetra. You will get a fair idea that Mahabharat isn't a copy and edit version of other stories. The bit that feels similar is the common theme that drives almost all wars.
There is no place called gurukahetra. You hindians naming places kurukshetra, ramar birth place. You are living in fantacy story world. Just get out from it.🤷🤦🤦 I know you are just. A victim of bramins.and their stories. They are just stories. Not real incidents
Aryans started settling after reaching Bactria. They didn't have Vedas yet. They just there and then saw cities, different social structures and started asking big questions about origin of world building philosophy. Earlier they had the same old myths of Eurasian herders & hunters-gaterers. They brought their genes & language in this region of world from far away with a few OP military inventions but only when they stopped and settled they started composing RigVeda and transition to other less military and nomadic lifestyle. That's why you can see many advanced complex Sanskrit religious terms with completely basic naturalist original nearly shamanic meanings in European languages. It's like transition between a simple word tree into nordic iggdrasil world tree, of Wiśnia 🍒 into Vishnu or widzieć to see, vision into Veda knowledge. Nearly all myths are about war because these were historical mile stones in every culture creation of falling. Like Roman story about being nearly wiped out by Celts what become their foundation & greed for betterment and survival. MegaBrotherhood but Poor sisters never mentioned.
Honestly what you guys were shown in the video did not even scratch the surface, and I am not even exaggerating when I say that. There were a lot of things (and I mean A LOT, almost the entire video tbh) that he just generalized, and a lot more he was just plainly wrong. We're a really diverse place and everyone's identity has been hyper politicized by the British because of their divide and rule policies, which is being continued by modern Indian politicians across the board.
Interesting video. A couple major things you might have glossed over/missed. The Caste System became very rigid over time and was coopted by invading peoples to effectively rule India. Think the british Raj or the Mughals or the Dehli Sultanate. Also since India is so large the religion is so different by place thats its difficult to view as one. Finally one empire you glossed over is the Chola empire. They ruled part of Southern India for nearly 1000 years in some form and consistently was one of the highest GDP places in the world. In my opinion the Chola dynasty was the greatest Indian empire or atleast tied with the Mauryan Empire.
Lol indian caste system was getting over rigidified from the get go, you can see traces of this trend starting in the Mahabharata itself. Still it was very fluid back then. Something between the 500bce - 500AD was the major cause of caste system getting rigidified. Britishers just put the final nail in the coffin of an already ongoing process. Mughals didn't have that much of a contribution in affecting the trajectory of the caste system. It's true that the original caste system was more merit based and eugenic.
@@Deepak_Dhakad where most wealth was concentrated in the hands of foreign nobles and peasants used to leave their lands out of fear for the tax collector
Nice Effort but there are some things that do need to be said: 1.I just want to point out that in your map at 25:15, What you have labeled as "Travancore" is actually the Konkan Coast and while "Kerala" is roughly accurate, "Travancore" is southern Kerala. It would be like labeling Alabama as a country on the US-Canada border 2. As far as I know, Brahmins were always above Kshatriyas right from the earliest Rigvedic texts 3. The Mauryas and Guptas had a bureaucracy and standing army as per several texts of the time including Kautilya's Arthashastra and the Greek Ambassador Megasthenes. 4. As far as the Indus Valley/Harappan Civilization is concerned, the current scholarly consensus leans towards them being proto-Dravidian and not with the Dravidians being a separate race entirely.
He makes a lot of the maps himself and from memory apparently. Would be weird if he didnt make a few mistakes. I would say as long as it's mostly right its still useful as a visual aid.
@@ScubesFTW Oh yes, I do agree! Its impossible for everyone to know everything. But it is important to point out flaws/mistakes so that they can be corrected later.
He is pointing about Aryan Invasion lol. Even Aryan Race is obsolete. Pakistanis look european because Alexander ruled there. Iranians look like european too?. If anyone has doubts search about Persians or Parsi. Followers of Mazdayasna (Old Iranian religion). What atrocities Alexander and his generals committed in Persia. And Aryan Invasion theory was given by person who never travelled to india. Noone knew what india was.
I love each of your civilizational videos. You're one of the few content creators who can talk about how entire societies evolve, function, and stagnate. It is not only interesting, but it allows us to reflect on what is important to us and what we should value.
@@shekelgangiv3411 it's all wrong. He's some kind european supremacist..sintashta culture didn't even originate in Ukraine to begin with... everything eurocentric. For this guy 1000bce Mahabharata is copied from 8bce illiad...wtf!!
@@dynamitebsb4520 idk enough about india to say this is all horse shit, but, having watched most of his videos analysing civilisations, he comes from a very anglo-centric point of view. The embodiment of perfide Albion.
@@shekelgangiv3411 thankyou for recognising. The guy is so casual in saying Greeks ruled India! The Greeks ddint even enter the present day India...they entered pakistan and only reached till indus. ofcourse pakistan is pattnof ancient India, but saying Greeks ruled India for 300 yrs!! He only reached the mouth of India, suddenly for this guy, it became Greeks conquered India.
I would love an understanding African civilization video cause as an African American born and raised in the U.S countryside it wasn’t talked about much if at all during my school years
Africa had empires before european colonization mind you but they like all other empires normally eventually will fell apart Edit: yes there were also tribal civilizations but also actual big nation states like in egypt, north and east africa
Africa is to diverse for a single video I would instead expect a seperate video for swahili civ, sahel civ, ethiopian/horn african civ, and possibly a north african section to his islamic civ video.
As a neospenglerian myself, and a fan of Huntington, I’ve really been enjoying your “Understanding Civilization” series. Albeit with a different formula, I have for some time been considering making a similar series for my own channel, when I get the time to do so; and I find that when I don’t find the time to sit down and read, videos such as yours can be a nice alternative to get the cognitive juices flowing. Congrats on your channel’s success, from one historian to another.
@@dynamitebsb4520 Eurocentric? Dude, his entire historical framework is fundamentally NON-Eurocentric! Whether he has read him or not, I don’t know, but WiAH’s outlook is borderline-Spenglerian! If you want Eurocentric, go watch MonsierZ 🤣
@@notsocrates9529 I plan on incorporating some of my own theories as well, particularly in how I am of the position that: 1. Islamic Civilization began with the feudalistic Parthians in the first century or so. The wars against Rome by the Sassanians were their equivalent of the Crusades (as they were to Europe). The Rise of Islam was their reformation, with Mohammed as a cross between Luther and Cromwell. Islamic Civilization finally ended with Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt. 2. Latin America is not a distinct civilization, and is merely a unique appendage of the West 3. There was another high civilization that proceeded classical civilization that I call “Greco-Aegean” or “Heroic”. 4. Sumerian/“Hashemic” Civilization was a completely separate civilizational entity from that of Mesopotamia & the near east during the age of the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Israelites, and the Canaanites; the reason for their aesthetic and linguistic similarities is merely due to the incredible impact that the dead Sumerian culture had over the land by the time of “Irano-Semitic” civilization’s emergence around 1900 BC. This civilization then collapsed with the fall of the Achameniads. Just some ideas.
I live in Kochi, Kerala, India. The place I live in is a metro city with a storng Christian and Muslim minority. The city is becoming more westerner every year with restaurants, oversees education opportunities etc. Anyone who only speak English can get by here since most shops, directions, bus stops and railway stations use english billboards and signs where as the local language malayalam and Hindi is not common. Most people understand english adequately to communicate with foreigners. This city is a favorites of expats who live in the US, Uk and Australia. The state's politics is centre left therefore big factories are not present here atleast compared to our industrial neighbor Tamil Nadu. Our Malayalam Films along with Bengali movies tend to win most number national film awards.
@@dynamitebsb4520 I know he said western, but I think he meant globalised. Kerala has a large number of people from the middle east, europe and America (mostly returning malayali expats). In contrast, the other megacities of the south (Chennai, bangalore) have a large number of Indians from across the country. (North, north-east, west etc.)
@@dynamitebsb4520 Well yeah in the case of Kerala. One of its main income sources aside from remitances from NRIs, is from Tourism. Its a beautiful, safe and calm places compared to northern India.
I think the fact that there's already people who seem to know their stuff passionately debating how wrong the other is about Indian culture and history proves just how difficult it is to understand. The locals can't even agree so the rest of us have quite the challenge Edit: see replies for a fantastic example
India is a democracy so naturally there are a lot of disagreements, arguments and debates. It's also because we are a very diverse country. But underneath the differences, there are more similarities. We have a common history, our languages are similar to each other and our moral values are similar. Democratically, we generally agree on a few basic things: We all are patriotic - whether left or right neither side hates the country despite its flaws. What we do hate is our politicians. Our elections are fair and trustworthy - while some leftist extremists do claim that the BJP rigs the voting machines, the vast majority of people and all parties accept the results of the elections. There hasn't been any protest of any election being rigged. Although there may be some vote rigging at the lower levels. Our judiciary is independent: While we complain that justice is often delayed and sometimes denied, that the judgements are wrong etc, we don't disobey the courts and abide by their rulings. We trust that the judiciary will prevent government overreach and is beholden. And lastly, our military: We love the men and women who serve in our armed forces. They risk and sometimes give their lives for us so we are greatly indebted to them. There are some extreme leftists who hate the army - they are a small minority - 99% of Indians love the army. We don't accept any insults towards them.
@@globalnationalismyoutube I've always found India fascinating. I've never gotten to know an Indian who wasn't just the most friendly and welcoming person. I've got a buddy whose family owns some property somewhere in the south. I've got an open invitation to stay at the family home out there and I very much intend to use that offer one of these days. Even though they grew up in the states, they've retained a lot of traditional culture. It's always really fun to learn from. My wife and I showed them what an American thanksgiving meal is and my friends (they're brothers) showing me how delicious biryani is
@@ryantannar5301 whenever I heard any Indian saying things like "preserving culture" then it's most propable that they're the "upper caste" and proud of their caste. Hence preserving the 2000 yrs old caste system. The caste is in the blood.
@Whatifalthist As an Indian I would like to appreciate your efforts in order to investigate the most complex civilization in History. But you're wrong on certain points, especially the caste system. To understand the complexity of Indian civilization John Keay is a good introductory material but it is written for a casual European reading Indian History. You should refer these books to understand the Indian thought on politics, religion, language, sciences etc: 1. The History and Culture of the Indian People by Dr. RC Majumdar (11 Volumes) 2. History of Dharmaśāstra by PV Kane (6 Volumes) (Volume 2 deals with Caste System in Detail), (This book is used in many Indian Courts for interpretation of Customs in Hindu Law) 3. Arthshastra by Kautilya (translated in English by RP Kangle) (Arthshastra is a voluminous work dealing with statecraft, polity, law, beaurocracy, social structure, espionage, foreign policy, war, economy etc.) Kaultaliya is basically Sun Tzu+Machiavelli+Adam Smith+Han Feizi 4. Corporate Life in Ancient India by RC Majumdar 5.Military History of India by Sir Jadunath Sarkar 6. Hindu Polity by Dr. KP Jayaswal 7.A History of Indian Literature (Set of 30 Volumes) (Indian Literature is 95% secular and only 5% religious) 8. History of Science in India (Set of 11 Volumes) Most of these are available in Archive.org for free. I can recommend 100 more books but these are a good starting point.
@@harlowida Who said caste system didn't exist, it did but it is not as simplistic as it is being potrayed. To determine a caste birth alone is not a criteria there are a thousand of rules to determine caste stated in the Mimansa Sastra of Jaimini. And I have already provided enough material to read what caste is all about.
6:36 weird school of thought!!!! Really??? Almost everyone in the academic sphere believes that it was not an invasion but migration (not necessarily peaceful) It's not Indian nationalists who say this but academicians say this
I think not being hindu part in 3:18 is incorrect. It is more like not being Indic. Also, India has given rights to lgbtq community and both right and left support it. Indian civilisation has been most supportive of lgbtq community in past compared to west and middle east.
That's because what people do in private is of no concern but Abrahamic religion take offence with that as there are specific commandments against LGBT in Bible/qoran.
@@dharmrakshak6735 ya, we should be very careful while watching videos like these. He hasn't even cited a single source. He just wants us to know that he has read 1000s of pages - source - trust me bro? Also that meme at the start was so cringe, lol, whatsapp forward vibes.
@@kap. I am glad newer generations aren't just simps for whites as used to be earlier. These people, the RUclipsrs themselves are soaked into propaganda fed to them by their government and establishment so no offense to them but Indians gotta be careful.
Hey man, I want you to know that I like your videos so much, that one of them ("What if ancient Greece industrialized?") inspired me to write about an alternate timeline that just happen. I am still working on the first two centuries and I changed a few things that you mentioned, but overall it was still thanks to you that I started to write and investigate about the ancient world. Thank you.
@Ur Auntsvibrator I would like to keep working on it before I show it to anyone (also it's in spanish). But basically: Before 400 BC. Socrates is never born, so western philosophy becomes very different. Pericles does not die in the plague of Athens and with his leadership and telling spartan slaves that they will be free, Sparta loses allies and have too many riots, thus, Athens wins the peloponesean war. The Delian league and Sparta becomes the Athenian Empire by 400 BC. 400 BC: Many academias are built. They would all teach different topics, but some would develop a good reputation for certain things. One academy in Athens would excell at teaching math and politics, another in Athens excell for their discoveries in architecture and so on. The concept of the atom from Democritus becomes relevant (Plato originally did not like the idea of the atom, so without him, the idea of the atom thrives). Democritus also invents the concept of "bastard and legitimate" knowledge (predecesor of the scientific method) and by the end of the century a philosopher like Francis Bacon would come up the actual scientific method. Also, Gorgias, a philosopher who wrote "On the non-existence", becomes more relevant and presents the idea that maybe nothing exists. This in turn, make people wonder about the void and encourages the idea of the number 0. They create the "language" of numbers. This helps them come up with arithmetic, algebra, trigonometry, the method of exhaustion (which was already originated by a philosopher called Anthiphon). All of this leads to applications to architecture, astronomy and the economy. The empire would still have a democratic leader (choosen every 10 years), but it would also be ruled by mechantile classes, leading the way to early capitalism. In order to prevent a stigma against capitalism, all slaves that have a role related to money became a free citizen). They introduced the theory of miasma, invent the antikythera mechanism is invented early, they create trebuchets and normalize the "greek fire", use perlite (a local natural resource) to filter water. The Achaemenid empire takes control of Egypt as it did in our timeline, but this time the Athenians go to war with the Achaemenids because Egypt is an important exporter of food. The Athenians end up winning and end up conquering Egypt while they are at it. They also take part of the coast of Turkey. Some years later Macedonia (Alexander the Great is not born because of all the changes) goes to war with the achaemenids and accidentally attacks Athenian territory, thus getting in a war against the Athenians and losing, becoming a part of their empire. 300 BC: They create Blast furnaces that allows them to manufacture better iron and steel for their weapons and armor, create rotation harvests, heavy plow, watermills, learn more about human anatomy (for example the circulation system), planispheres, they create rails (they already kinda had one in our timeline with the Diolkos road) and even invent an aelopile (though the metal is still not good enough to use it, so they start to make many factories around the empire). They also release all male slaves (ancient Greece was pretty sexist by our current standards, so the female slaves would be freed in the next century). However, even though there still be a lot of sexism, a lot of women had to work in the factories because a lot of men went to fight Rome (kinda like what happen in WWI and WWII), so it would still be better than in our timeline at the time. They also go to war with a young Roman empire and defeats them, conquering Italy as well as the Ilyria (modern day Albania) and a bit more of what is noy Turkey. Also, they don't feel the need to fight Cartague since they don't mess with them, so the Cartague would still exist for many centuries here. 200 BC: They finally can make metal that is good enough for the aelopile, so we start seeing steambots and steamships and even a few railroads, as well as steam shovels for construction and agriculture. This, combined with with the manufacture of better weapons and armor, allows the Athenian Empire to conquer most of the balkans (using the Danube river as a natural barrier like the Romans did in our timeline) and even France (Carthage took control of the Iberian peninsula like in our timeline, so they would defeat the Gaulish tribes and take that territory before Carthage can). Also, they would not have gunpowder, but they would have very good crossbows and compound bows. Plus, on the american civil war, the south came up with a "steam gun" (that was more like a tank), that was pulled by horses and fired centrifugal rounds. It was not as accurate as weapons with gunpowder, but it was basic enough that one inventive athenian could make. Because of the concept of the atom, they would start to make microscopes, though they would only be able to see a 100x, since is their first time making them, so it would still take them one or two more centuries before they can make one good enough to see the microscopic. This would would also be the century were female slaves were freed, making slavery a thing of the past in the empire. And that is most of what I got. Once I go further, I keep trying to consider all the changes made by the butterfly effect. Aside from that, China would start to learn about steam technology and do research about it, a new religion would be created that united the empire that took into consideration all the changes that affected society (though I am still not sure about the details), the territory of Israel would still be a part of the Achaemenid empire (the jews would still exist in this timeline, but because the world would be different, their culture would "evolve" differently too). The Athenians and Carthaginians would discover north america and central america respectively. The Athenians would use a river connected to the great lakes similarly to how the french did in our timeline and because of their technology, horses and weapons, they would win against the native americans (not to mentions the diseases they would bring with them). Meanwhile the Carthaginians would try make business with the mayans but would also kill a lot of them by accident because of the diseases. The old world diseases would spread to south america, killing a lot the people there and forming a new city there. And so, a new pre-incaic empire with the knowledge of the previous societies would be born. However, after 1 or 2 centuries, and asian group of warriors similar to the Huns (but more technologically advanced) would invade Europe and a disease similar to the black plague would decimate the population of both Europe and China (Eurasia would be more connected in this timeline because of trade and war, so a plague would reach more people). Leaving the colonies in America to fend for themselves. Thanks for asking, by the way.
@Ur Auntsvibrator That is a very good question. I don't know to be honest. In this timeline, China would have collapsed before inventing gunpowder and without gunpowder, many societies would still need to build walls and weary of barbarians, preventing some potential inventions to be invented and information to be spread. Also, in our timeline, something as important in our recent history as antibiotics was discovered because of luck. If people in that timeline can manage to invent and discover those things (among other things like harnessing electricity or vaccines), then this world could end up advanced enough to be centuries ahead of us. Though, that is only in terms of technology. It would also depend on ideologies and religions that this world (where Christianity and Islam would not exist) may have. In my timeline I was thinking of a religion that would stablish that technology should be made and worked on to improve the quality of life of the people. But more religions could still be formed and even then some principles may not necessarily be followed or mutate. So, all in all, whether or not this world would be "better" would ultimately depend on what ideologies and philosophers take form (as well as in which parts of the world, considering that even in our timeline some countries have it better than others).
lndus valley civilization is located in modern day Pakstan & has nothing to do with modern day lndia. Modern day lndia where 99% people don't have any concept of indoor plumbing AKA TOlLET & 95% people can't even afford a single meal a day & there's still canibaIism exists so, there's no point for this American channel to glorify lndia.
14:48 we dont know much about their cultures, but in spain there is a whole language (basque) which is preindoeuropean, and the preindoeuropean iberian language still existed when the romans conquered spain. also there are many place names in basque and basque loanwords in spanish and other romance languages. i always found it interesting because it is a small glimpse into preindoeuropean culture still alive.
He also ignored Nordics being mixed with I1 oldeuropeans what couldn't possibly not keep old words in that isolated parts of Europe. Also the whole premise that Indoeuropean language in European version is clean as original from steppe is stupid. PIE is a reconstruction made from comparing many later IE dialects from Europe and Asia and nobody knows if it ever existed in one form in one place. Also he doesn't inform that there was a first wave from Kurgan culture which didn't went far from eurosteppe but reached Greece and Poland - these herders weren't adapted to nongrasslands. What moved next was already influenced by these incorporated farmers of f.e. globular amfora culture. Corded ware was a next huge wave and it wasn't only R1b haplogroup moving anymore (contained also I2) and they were going into Europe already decimated by plague. So the IE language that was invading could already be rich with new elements. It was the same as Slavs migrating to Balcans after black death and not many Illyrian originals survived. Every conquered ethnicity with new elite which didn't have own writing system after phase of states being built in Europe lost their original culture and was integrated by reeducation. Examples are plenty as ExSlavs in northeast Germany or Hungary, Goths in Crimea and Spain, gothic Vandals in West Slavia. Basque is a really interesting remnant of earlier Europeans but genetically fully replaced so we don't know what ethnicity was replaced keeping older culture. From such fact somebody could claim these were different confederated nonIE speaking IE clans from steppe - how could you know if it's not like Hungarians? haha But in their case crazy thing is Basque isolation in mountains and insanely high blood rH- that causes blood conflicts and babies dying what suggests a biological mechanism that could affect translation of culture being primed for mother language & promoting maybe matriarchal type od culture. History of Albion island is a total 90%+ replacement of earlier king-gods bloodlines. What hints things as Christians seeing Aztec rituals or Romans being shocked of Phoenician rituals - "Look these savages are more savage than us, inbreeding brothers and sisters, breeding with them may be a curse & defective". And he also didn't mention that before IE ppl reached whole Europe people there were already wiping themselves on big scale every time bigger pots culture emerged replacing around 50% of conquered neighbours. And we can expect strong language from earlier time only from Iberian and Balcan refugia and that's exactly where we see one older language in each left. People were scarcer in Europe earlier and farmers who emerged in bigger nrs emerged exactly the warmer south with farming technology outnumbering hunters gathers from north fast. We usually always see something representative left from something big enough earlier by natural probability luck. Probably by luck fourth would be some remnant of these inbreeding god-kings Lang words integrated into dialects of Celtic in Scotland & Ireland.
@@ebrelus7687 Ok im probably the first person to read all this and while i didnt understand much i just gotta explain something to you. Celtic isn't a language its a family of language. Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are not dialects of anything they are their own languages. (though scottish gaelic comes from Irish gaelic which most scottish gaels dont even know hah)
@Safwaan Only you NRIs are obsessed with partition, nobody in India cares and have moved on. And most non-hindu "Indians" tend to hate everything about the country and find oppression, depression and what not in every little thing about India or Hindus so you are not unique
Kerala is West's gateway into India owing to tbe historic Indian Ocean spice trade. Read about Kerala, it's a very fascinating place. Despite its Hindu roots, Kerala has the oldest Christian, Islamic and Jewish communities in World. Kerala was sort of a proto globalized place long before globalization ever became a thing owing to the place being the birth place many much vaunted spices.
@@arunjohny pwoli aayirunnu pandu but then communists took power. Thrissur Kochi belt had some of the oldest banks in India which funded spice trade but none of the scaled up after independence because of communists. Kerala is a huge case lost potential.
@@harshjain3122 It was harmonious. Look at Syrian Christians in Kerala for example. Their cultural practices have been perfectly blended with the brahmin and Nair practices. There is practically no religious violence in Kerala. Cochin Jews are one of the very few Jewish communities across the world where Jews have never faced persecution. Kerala was a big deal historically. Vasco da Gama didn't sail seeking India. He came seeking Kerala because that was where black pepper originated. On that note even Columbus was seeking a route to Kerala.
@@TheRishijoesanu that's cuz indians viewed Abrahamic religions like how Nordic folk religions viewed Christianity in UK(when they invaded them) i.e As something smaller than their base identity i.e 'if my whole lineage was hindu/pagan since the beginning of it's existence how would one dip in the water remove all of that from me?' That's the reason, and it's pan India. The feeling later went away cuz one of the two aforementioned civilization vanished and ceased existing. And Jews are talented merchant class. We always loved intellectually talented peeps. Kerela and Bengal more so(also historically more rich, casteist)
Hey Rudyard, as an Indian, I can say that there is are indeed some inaccuracies. 1)The harrapan civilisation has more to do with local inhabitants of the indus valley than the dravidians. If you look at an ethic brahui and compare him to a tamil, he looks completely different although they are in the same language family. 2)Greeks were defeated by two rulers - pushyamitra sunga and kharavela. Also Alexander the Great’s most powerful general, seleucus nicator was humbled by chandragupta when he tried to retake his indian territories from chandragupta. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid%E2%80%93Mauryan_war en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushyamitra_Shunga en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharavela 3) the first muslim invaders in india were the arabs, and not the turks. The arabs had some success initially but when they tried to attack deeper into india, they faced crushing defeats. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_campaigns_in_India 4) The peak of indian civilisation was the gupta empire as well when countless inventions happened. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_Empire 5) You missed out on the fact that the caste system peaked at around the medieval era and began to be destroyed by the late medieval era. Otherwise, its a good video.
Haha! As an Indian when I see general RUclipsrs explaining about India, has flaws. This is no difference. Maybe that's why people say India is so complex to explain. Rather one should start simpler.
If you want to look into the ancient Indian world and their insane architecture, check out Praveen Mohan on RUclips. His channel has some fascinating stuff.
@@agrosyntrop If you want book source, then you can refer these- 1. What Is Hinduism?: A Guide for the Global Mind- by David Frawley 2. The Rig vedic people by Dr.B.B lal 3. The Principle Upanishads by Dr Sarvopalli Radhakrishnan 4. The Discovery of India 5. Ancient India By R.S Sharma( I do not think its international version is available) 6. INDIA: A History by John Keay. If you want to learn about Indic philosophy, politics and religion more, then- 1. Mahabharata and Gita 2. Arthashastra 3. Science and Philosophy in the Indian Buddhist Classics by Dalai Lama
India's political influence might've been mediocre since it was made up of fragmented kingdoms for most of its passive history BUT its religious impact was one of, if not the greatest ever
@@nomanor7987 That argument is kinda debatable depending on the context, Dharmic/Indian religions directly originated from India while Abrahamic religions originated from 2 different regions hence can't be attributed to a specific country
I took a course on India in college and tried to read up on it in my spare time. I was often confused by what I found and this explains alot of the gaps, namely why so much of the history is cultural/religious and not political/diplomatic like most other civilizations. Very interesting, I appreciate the effort.
Read Greek traveler 'Megasthenes' account of his travel to South India you will get the real rich economical and Political history of India. Most of current information is falsely translated hate propaganda by western missionaries or East Indian company terrorists who wanted to loot Indians and wrote with ulterior motives.
@@gm6393 he's very inaccurate about india here. He reads western scholars who have their own biased views regarding india without actually reading the Indian texts and this guy doesn't see it from the indian perspective. Highly biased.
I’ve always said that if Aliens were to visit earth and could only visit one country, it should be India. It has everything. Politics, religion, art, culture, music, movies, history, philosophy, sciences. And such a variety as well.
@@johnblackman6523 Yeah man, after seeing what barbaric westerners did to so many beautiful cultures how can they have faith in humanity? In fact if I was an alien and I saw the history of the west I'd certainly nuke the earth out of fear of what they'd do to me when they got the chance!
Vedas established the Varna system without explicitly restricting social mobility. Later on Brahmins and Kshatriyas monopolised the argument dooming Indians for eternity. You are absolutely right, Caste system paralysed India. It is a major factor why Indians never broke free unlike Europe. Loving this so far👍 Can't wait for the next one.
This video was a painful watch because of the source material. Buddhism as Protestant Hinduism, the lack of historical stories and memes of the mythical Aryan invasion be it from the supposed invader or the indvaded, the charge of lack of literature when 99% of the known records in possession are yet to be transcribed or transliterated, the imposition of political themes be it modern India, colonial, oritentalist and panhistory. The perpetually fixed caste system. So many wrong things once you familiarise yourself within the culture. Just a personal anecdote, my Brahmin ancestry is from Haritas who was a Kshatriya who became a Brahmin. His father was "Yavanshwa"(literal translation Greek horse). My patrilineal haplogroup is L-M20 and my skin tone is wheatish while my extended family is a whole gradient between dark skinned to fair. Thanks to the "Marxist school", India seems to be this history and context neutral ground where a hypothesis can be imposed.
The map you used in thumbnail certainly doesnt represent indian culture as whole ! Indian culture is not bound only to india , It extends in whole indian subcontinent. However , i will edit tghs comment/post new one as per my thoughts and views(opinions) after watching full video
He is just repeating everything Western-centric scholars have already said. They know very little about Indian society, history or culture. They just see Indians as a frozen-stagnant ancient society and study us like they study the ancient greeks.
@@GrigRP If you are referring to the Indus (Sindhu) River, then you are mistaken. The river does originate in the modern-day Republic of India and flows out to the sea through the modern-day Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Neither of these two states existed back then. It was just one continuous civilization. Our native name was Bharatvarsh or Jambudvipa. Foreigners called as Al Hind, Hindusthan, India, Yindu, Tianzhu etc.
You are wrong about US and Indian reservation. India gives reservation benefits to not only tribal people but also people from lower class. US reservation is a small self governing territory given to native inside the country while reservation in India are entirely different thing. Reservation in India means that government gives special percentage of reserved seats to tribals and people from lower class community in government jobs and college to help them lift up in society. In those reserved seats, only students from that community can be present although they can claim the rest. For example- If there are 100 seats in college where 15 seats are given to lower caste community, then those 15 seats can only have people from lower caste community meanwhile they can also be present on rest 85 as well if they score well in general category. Reservation benefits are also given to lower caste community and tribal people in things like lower college fee, some social schemes, lower prices for forms and documents, increased age limit in applying for govt. position etc. It is given to lift them to equal level in society and as a compensation for the hardship they faced for last 3000 years.
You called buddha a non aryan 20:28 He literally was a Kshtriya 😅 And he was from Northern India. Gained enlightenment in Bodhgya bihar India, gave first sermon in Varanasi India spent life in Shravasti india and died in India
Bruh this video is not fact, just some ignorant european way of looking at India. 1) There is no evidence to assert that the nobles in the Indus valley civlization looked middle eastern, and the commoners were dravidian as this video insinuates. Just because america has a racial and color based hierachy does not mean that every country shares that regressive thought. 2) There is no substantial evidence to ever prove that the "aryans" invaded India and opressed the dravidians. These were theories peddled by the british empire to divide the population and create internal conflict so that people are busy fighting each other. 3) In your indic civlization. map, you show regions like afghanistan, kashmir, western pakistan as part of the middle east? guess what, these regions were present in the mauryan empire. They were in the Indic sphere of influence. 4) You mention that the Indian nationalist does not like people from lower caste?? the president of India is a tribal woman, the PM Modi is a lower caste man. This is once again, nothing more than ignorance. There are 200+ million dalits in India, do you think any political party can survive in India if it does not appeal to the masses like dalits etc? The thing is, white people were racist toward black people. So they come to India and say, oh yeah sure, the light brown people surely opress the dark brown people. 5) You say that the mahabharata had a similar plotline to the Illiad? Well guess what 1) The mahabharata was wayyy longer than the Illiad. 2) The mahabharata was a war for the succession for the throne of Hastinapur. The Illiad was about some people stealing another man's wife, and provoking war. Where is the similarity? Also, you say that the Bhagwad gita is similar to the bible? wtf? The bible has clear commandments, and rules for being christian. The Bhagwad gita is a philosophical discourse on the conversation between Krishna and Arjuna. It talks about the concept of dharma, or duty. It has no "commandments" about being Hindu per say. You yourself said, you dont know much about Indian civilization. So dont peddle such nonsense without doing research.
ikr! I've seen indian comments on similar topics and the shit they write about seems like the biggest asspull to me. Something similar to how the balkans write about their countries.
As an Indian, one thing I would like to point out is that the caste system wasn't a monolithic institution in Indian history. Caste system in Ancient India, was primarily similar to the Estates System of Medieval Europe, in that, yeah much of how you would be perceived in the society would be decided by the caste system, but there was no restriction on changing jobs. We have accounts of peasants becoming nobility, Brahmins becoming merchants and whatnot. Hell, even the rulers of Nanda and Mauryan Empires, were from lower castes as is well documented. The caste system as we know it developed in the Early Middle Ages, as the Old Gupta Empire fell into decadence and ruin. Genetic studies point out to a bottleneck in Indian genepool in 600 AD, which is exactly when the Guptas fell out of power. Otherwise, it is a quite good and rational approach taken about. You are doing good man, and you must not fear those wretched trollers.
@@nomanor7987 not if the population bred like rats. You do realize for 5k castes we have 1.7 billion people. Interbreeding and marriage within families happen but are avoided thankfully. I'm not removing the fact that the caste system WILL one day catch up to us haha, or even that its an outdated, obsolete system for the country preventing it from reaching its full potential, but ah well...
As an Indian i can say....our civilizational goal is "being in a cosmic chaos and somehow go through it"...this is visible in our religion, politics, international diplomacy, thinking process, art,literature,decision making....etc....It have positives and negatives
@Whatifalthist Officials of Mauryan Bureaucracy: 1. Maha Mantrin: Prime Minister 2.Maha Amatya: Head of Council of Ministers 3. Purohita: Chief Priest 4. Senapati: Commander In Chief 5. Yuvaraj: Crown Prince 6.Samaharta: Foreign Minister 7. Yukta: Home Secretary 8. Sulkaadhyaksha: Superintendent of tolls 9. Prashasti: Head of Prisions 10. Sannidata: Auditor General 11. Koshadhyaksha: Head of Treasury/ Finance Minister 12.Koshthagaradhyaksha: Revenue Collector 13. Nayaka: Security In Charge of the Capital 14. Vyavharika: Chief Justice of the Royal Court (Supreme Judicial Officer 15. Karmantika: Head of Industries & Factories 16. Dandapala: Head of Police 17. Durgapala: Head of Royal Fortifications 18.Annapala: Head of Food grains Department 19.Rajjukas: Officers in charge of land measurement and boundary-fixing 20. Pradeshika: District administrator 21. Akaradhyaksha: Head of Mining Department 22.Lauhadhyaksha: Head of Metallurgy Department 23. Lakshanadhyaksha: Head of the Royal Mint 24. Lavanadhyaksha: Officer of salt department 25. Swarnadhyaksha: Head of Gold Reserves 26. Ayudhadhyaksha: Weapon manufacturing & defence department 27. Kunyadhyaksha: Officer of forest 28. Panyadhyaksha: Office of commerce department 29. Manadhyaksha: Office of time & place determining 30. Sunadhyaksha: Slaughter-house officer 31. Mudradhyaksha: Officer of Royal Seals 32. Dyutadhyaksha: Head of Gambling Department 33. Naukadhyaksha: Head of Shipping 34. Pattanadhyaksha: Officer of Port 35.Pulisanj: Public relations officers 36. Pauthavadhyaksha: Superintendent of weights and measures 37. Sitaadhyaksha: Superintendent of agriculture 38. Pathadhyaksha: Officer of Royal Roads
Its insane how Rudyards understanding of certain issues is so sharp yet his ignorance on certain other issues is equally frightening He mentions arthashastra and yet proceeds to say something like " Mauryans had no bureaucracy" lol
Already commented this under another video but I think it would be interesting if you made a video about how contact with an extraterrestrial civilisation might affect human society
I think it would entirely depend on the nature of the contact and the civilization. Would it be conquest through arms like e.g. in the Independence Day movies, conquest/near genocide through plague like in the UFO games or a peaceful contact like Vulcans landed on Earth in the Star Trek franchise?
something interesting to consider is that there might not be any extraterrestrial civilizations for a while. you have to remember that the universe is currently very young. we are orbiting a yellow star, which has a quick lifespan compared to red giants. its likely alien life will evolve on those planets orbiting red suns as they have more time to get life and make civilizations and what not. if anything, it will likely be humans and our great great ancestors that are the ones who encounter other civilizations which would be primitive and likely in a pre industrial society a more interesting video would be how would human nature and society react to this? would we take the darwinistic approach and say we need this planet's resources and basically become the combine from half life 2? or would be try to enlighten the civilizations and make them into a client states (or, client planet i guess)? or would we decide that we should leave the civilization alone to grow on its own? honestly it would super interesting to see a future human race decide how to go about these differences and how we should deal with it.
It would be like Europe visiting Africa, Asia and America. It would be like Jesus, Bhuda and A god king. It would be like America unleashing the power of the sun. It would be like the Mongol conquest of Eurasia. It would be like nature channel, they watch quietly.
9:00 yes the caste system is much more complex. However there is a lot of confusion between Varna and caste. Like how you are confusing both of them. The image at 8:55 is the Varna system. There are dozens if not hundreds of different caste in each Varna. Some castes even have their own Seperate language and dialects like Wadderi Or Brahmin Tamil. Caste in Indian languages means something like 'variety' or 'type'. Also caste didn't always mean social stagnation, some castes like the Gonds tho of the lower castes they had kingdoms and rulers like Rajputs. Also fun fact castes have a hierarchy within the Varna which itself is an hierarchy. In olden times you could move your 'caste' by changing your profession however it's difficult because how can a son of a gold Smith who has learnt only gold smithing become an expert baber? All his life he has learnt to be a gold Smith how can he compete with a Barber who has been doing his job for his entire life and learnt from his father since his childhood. Also the Varna system was not as discriminatory and rigid as today. The Varna system became rigid only after delhi sultanate bent the conquered people to do thier stuff. As a muslim he wouldn't understand the centuries of Kshatriya tradition nor would he give a shit about the local traditions. And hence the delhi sultanate just saw the profession not the people and hence the it became more stratified.
@@teehee4096 oppressive in what manner? Do you think people who clean sewage system in India today have more bargaining power than when they had the monopoly
@@teehee4096 the First Empire of India Mauryan Empire was established by Chandergupt Maurya he was from lower caste . He was selected by a High class Brahmin to teach him and help him forming Empire to Unite India . The book written by that Brahmin is still being used by Govt. Of India to from policy and for diplomacy. Chanakya Niti - by Chanakya .
The last paragragh is ridiculous, I agree it happnened.. The invader capitalised in inequality in india and did used thier power for mass religious transformation. If someone should protect thier religion the first thing to do is to hug everyone togethe and fight against the offender..Not to bring up more iron fists on lower class.
That thing about an iroqouis community in the city working construction is hilarious as it literally happened. Iroqouis were heavily involved in high steel construction in NYC as the skyscrapers went up, and maintained their identity doing so. The tribe has made a whole documentary about it, they're very proud of their fearless skyscraper builders.
3:25 I had to pause to look at that first map, then immediately looked up "Vikramaditya Empire" and "Akhand Bharat" and wow... these nationalists go hard...
There are five Indians, One, who will give his life on a platter if asked, the perfect soldier, who will march into the volley of cannons and Muskets, smiling and singing, who will give his life, if asked for, The other, who will rebel and fight against the whole world, will give his life, to be free for 1 day then live his life in chains. A Perfect rebel, against the world and Society. The third, a perfect Bureaucrat, will know the rule book better than you would. The Fourth, The Poet, who wishes nothing of the world, and wants to be free, and just live his life the way he likes The Fifth is the Priest, who will die rather then change the order which is already present
25:18 Correction needed. Travancore is just a place in the south most part of India and it's not that huge, is just a tiny Kingdom back then. Kerala is also a state in the south most part (Travancore Kingdom was inside the state Kerala). They are not separate. And definitely not that long. You have drawn the Western ghuts mountain ranges lol.
hahaha thought the same. The Travancore kingdom consisted on Northern Kerala and parts of Kasargod and Tulunadu. Definitely not all the way till Gujarat 🤣🤣🤣
I like listening to these as a introduction to a region and then find some good books on it. This is a nice summary which normally doesn't seem biased. Shout out to India from America - we should be friends
@@Ifraneljadida like I said, we are friends 😂. India and America as pretty solid geopolitical partners and we do a shit ton of trade with each other asw. Both of your major parties have a favourable view of india and the general populace here is quite enamoured with America asw. 🫂
@@shimo_sama haha hell yeah !! the general populace here in enamored with India too ! I do a ton of backpacking and there are about ten or so areas I plan on backpacking in India one day !! Very beautiful country with a ton of unique wildlife/wilderness to explore.... except the tigers/elephants scare me a bit ! Best of luck friend from Florida, USA
@@Ifraneljadida hey that's amazing to hear. Hope u have a great experience the next time u visit! Plus good luck to u guys asw with ur midterms and shit. Wishing the best for u 👍🏻
finally the video I had been waiting so long for, saw it, clicked it, got mad at the two RUclips ads in a row, and ready to watch it, this civilisation series is probably my favorite of this channel and the India and Islam videos have been the ones I've most eagerly waited for, for quite some time now. Keep up the amazing work!
@@reddragon100 Bro you are embarrassing all Indians. Please don't show you jingoism here. He has made perhaps the best video on Indian Civilization without any sugar-coating and relentless propaganda, neither Anti-India nor Pro-India. By involving in meaningless conversation, you are just proving what he said in the beginning of the video that Indian Nationalists are the most insecure and get triggered easily.
@@krishnkant9477 As soon as I seen at 3:17 , I know its western bias. Indian nationalist are against lower or upper caste focusing on hindu unity and supported of trans-rights. Just another bias video as usual. Modi is not from upper caste. Do Indian nationalist not like him
I think the word "invasion" suggested some sort of centrally planned, unified military activity, there is no evidence to suggest the Aryans has anything of the sort, there may have been fighting but it was also between different Aryan tribes as well as with original inhabitants, thus the word migration makes more sense
He is eurocentric...if there were invasion it would have been mentioned in the Vedas...vedas is actually the biography of the Aryans and how they migrated. There's no mention of war with the natives, the only war is the war of the 7 aryan tribes
@@dynamitebsb4520 Vedas are a kind of legend, a mix of both reality and fiction. Reading Veads can help someone to get clues about the history of Indo-Aryans but it wrong to say that it is a history. They are just like any other religious text which a a blend of myth and reality. And Veads were composed orally in 1500 BC, but were not written as recent as 200 AD. This means for nearly 2000 years, the knowledge of Vedas was transferred orally and during such events, a lot of new cultural myths gets added up to the orally composed texts. The same case is with Mahabharata. At different points of time, we get different types of Mahabharata in which there is addition of new myths in newer Mahabharata versions.
@@krishnkant9477 haha... even the western historians themselves agree that there was oral tradition of vedas since 2nd millennium, as old as 2500 bce, especially after they found the mittani inscription in syria. It's is ordering of stanzas that took place in 1500 bce. The aryan language is transmitted sound by sound.
@@krishnkant9477 and a lot of cultural myths doesn't get added up. That's the whole point, it has a strong technique of passing of the sounds. The sounds were passed, still some of the sounds weren't decoded even today.
Just a note for clarity, at 20:23 that’s not a depiction of an Indian mystic, that’s a Byzantine icon of St Simeon the Stylite (also spelled Symeon), a Christian ascetic from the 4th century who lived atop his pillar for over 35 years as penance and, like other stylites, to separate themselves from the world in an effort to achieve a higher spiritual purity through the endured hardship. For interested in the subject, the channel ‘harmony’ has a fantastic video on St Symeon
The way you speak your mind whilst always being mindful and respectful of the people from the culture is fantastic to see. You're incredibly refreshing, love coming back for each upload!
@@nickh5081 no need to sugar coat, atleast tell the facts...illiad is written in 8BC and Mahabharata written in 1000bc, how's both written in same age. Tell things as it is.
@@dynamitebsb4520 You're reading one thing, he's reading another (or in his case, dozens of others). You think you're right, he thinks he's right. I don't care either way, but he makes well researched and interesting videos - you're just a nobody in the comment section. Personally, I tend to trust archeologists, historians, anthropologists and Paleoanthropologists rather than some local family records and/or religious texts (or wherever you're getting your information). Which do you think is more likely to be biased? For the record, the Iliad was written closer to 800 BC, not 8 BC (that's 8th CENTURY, I think you got confused by your wiki readings) - and it's thought to be an oral story passed down from much earlier and only first written down by Homer.
Every time I think of the Indo-Aryan invasion of India, this little jingle pops into my head, "New arrivals in India! Maybe it was those horse people I was talking about, or their cousins or something... And they wrote some hymns and mantras and stuff!"
@@RealLifeIronMan I've not finished the video yet, but one glaring mistake is the name of Chnadragupta's mentor - his name was Chanakya, not whatever he said (sounded like count-chila) Edit: he said Kautilya, I jus didn't understand the accent lol
@@RealLifeIronMan quite a few, the biggest mistake is that he's trying to understand india and our culture from a western perspective. Mostly telling what the West tells about india while here and there referencing some indian vedic texts.
@@RealLifeIronMan caste itself is misunderstood not his mistake it's misunderstood by even indians. Another mistake is about the aryan invasion stating it completely right while it's more nuanced than that because no invasion happened. More of a migration or assimilation and vedic culture originated in India.
8:56 sorry massive mistake here, South India is the least castist area of India proper especially compared to North. In Tamil Nadu you literally will not encounter someone asking your caste unless it is for marriage. In the North I literally couldn't visit an apartment for rent without the landlords asking what my caste is, where my parents are from, what jobs they have, what languages can they speak. I wasn’t allowed in Gujarati Brahmin restaurants because they would ask my caste and I would refuse to answer. One of the biggest leaders in Madras state literally became a staunch supporter of dividing South India from North India because he went to North Indias holiest site and was refused entry to restaurants because he wasn't a brahmin which shocked him to his core as he never experienced this in South India. IDK where you got the completely wrong idea that caste is stricter in South India but that is a mssive mistake even historically the caste system was far more stratified in the North than the South even when North was conquered by muslims they enforced caste system harder than hindu rulers in south.
Hmmm that's kinda weird. I have travelled a lot in delhi with my friends and never experienced anything like that. Weird but sure stupidity is everywhere across India.
Yea in north when we ask for surname we say what's your cast ofc now the cast system is lost where i live and ppl Don't really care the division is based on langauge and dialects
Gujaratis refusing business because of your caste??? Utter bullshit. In the north people a lot of people don't even ask your caste even during the wedding.
Can you do Ethiopian civilization sometime soon? I’d love to see an video on it since it is one of the oldest civilizations of Africa and isn’t as talked as much.
Hi Thank you for the video I have read studies 10-15 years ago showing the DNA analysis discrediting the Aryan invasion theory. The DNA between north indians and south indians was extremely close whereas it was very different from current Ukrainians and other Caucasians. In that theory, the point you noted about people not mixing up for marriage is important. Thus, the close DNA between north and south couldn't result from that. Looking forward for the next video
wrong on many counts. There wasn't aryan invasion, the illiads are not written in the same age as Mahabharata, the Mahabharata has no resemblance to illiad, the Origin of Aryans is not Ukraine, it's sintashta, it's present day Turkmenistan Uzbekistan. The Greeks didn't invade India, they just reached like 5% of it. That too through Northern areas of present day pakistan till indus. I can point out many many wrongs. Also Buddha was born in shakya tribe , an indo aryan tribe. I can go on pointing
@@dynamitebsb4520 what does genetics says about it? Ans If there were aryans,you wouldn't see more steppe gene in India but reality goes on evidence not on theory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R1a_frequency_by_population
I know it isn't a huge player on the world stage, but Nepal is an incredibly interesting country with so many ties to India that are being (have been) torn away by China more recently. In a way it's a microcosm of India in the way that there are so many diverse ethnic groups and traditions, but with it's own distinct history and culture. I have a sinking feeling Nepal won't last for very long given it's current relationship with the two big neighbors, but maybe I'm off. I don't know if there's enough meat for a whatifalthist video on it, but I'd love to hear what your take on it would be. (as an edit, I love Nepal and it's people, I hope nothing happens to the country, but with so many external and internal pressures, it feels like only a matter of time).
@@gocool_2.0 Definitely different countries, but the Nepal terai and the Nepal hills are wildly different culturally. The Nepal terai shares a lot more with India with large Maithili and Hindi speaking populations, strong Hindu traditions and obviously easy historical access from India since it's all flat. The hills have historically had a distinct cultural identity with many more isolated groups and languages (Limbu, Newari, Magar, Rai, etc.)
Nepali king wanted to be part of india but indian PM refused nepal is india in every aspect but the difference is it was never conquered by British but instead became an independent vessel state
I am an Indian nationalist and I liked this video. Not all of us are angry, internet haters who insult everyone who criticizes the country. And certainly many of us are willing to accept criticism against the current government and the Prime Minister in general. What all Indian nationalists do get upset about is when India, the country itself, is insulted or disrespected in some way or another. would give this video 7/10 stars. 3 Stars for getting the basic history correct. It's pretty much the same history which is taught in Indian school books. Problem is that that history has several inaccuracies, mainly due to it being written by leftist, Marxist historians in India. India has had left of Centre governments in power which have influenced education in India. For example the Aryan invasion theory and the history of caste has been challenged by conservative, right wing historians in recent times. I'm not saying you should take a side but give the audience information on both arguments. Still, it is a good introduction for foreigners as to Indian history. 2 Stars for the religion, you've explained the Hinduism and Buddhism quite well. But it lacked depth. 2 Stars for your sociological analysis in which you've explained the interactions between different groups quite well. You've explained well how Indian society has dominated the political systems. I am eager to see the next part.
It's all wrong in many ways, there want any invasion, the illiad is not similar to Mahabharata and is centuries older than illiad, the sintashta culture the origin of aryans is not Ukraine, it's present day Turkmenistan Uzbekistan, but again they could go from IVC to there and come back.
@@tysonwastaken Ive argued with many Indian nationalists online and its impossible to persuade them to not to believe that Britain is the cause for all their problems. You can try to build common ground by admitting many of the wrong thing they did but even then they wont acknowledge Britain did good things too. They say things like, "All the European monuments and cathedrals are products of stealing from countries like India and colonialism" but refuse to accept that the most iconic Indian building, the Taj Mahal, was literally built by slave labour, which isn't the case for European 18-19th century monuments. They don't know or don't care about the massive damage Muslim invasions did to the land but only focus on European colonialism, i think its because they believe they can pressure reparations from guilty western countries whereas muslim countries don't care about historical genocide and plundering of non-believers.
I would think Indian civilization is both the best and worst mankind has to offer on a macro-cultural-societal sense. It's old as time itself, being possibly the oldest of all civilizations, combing urban, tribal, and hunter gatherer elements into a beautiful patchwork that forms the basis of the entire civilization. And throughout most of it's history, it managed to be both big, wealthy, and pompous, yet somehow quiet and out of view. It is a beautiful stained glass window, constantly being added and rarely subtracted from to create a true gradient of all colors of mankind. However that comes at great cost, a caste system that has cause countless tears, and oppressive government after weak administration that cannot prevent this. Honestly one of my favorite regions on Earth.
The caste system is an EXTREMELY misunderstood concept. There was no concept of "caste" in ancient India as such, rather the earliest foundational compositions of Hinduism only mention that labour and job roles are divided and it is best if everyone does their job to the best of their ability. There are many excerpts to show that "caste" was flexible (like changing a job.) and that there was no actual hierarchy between the castes. Even when Xuanzhang visited India in the 5th century, he was surprised at how equal and free the society was compared to his Chinese homeland, where slavery and oppressive laws were the norm. Castes in the form they existed later on were due to the actions of some in the scholar/priests community (who changed religious compositions to suit them as they were the most literate) and due to formalisation of the system under the British. Based on the original scriptures, varna is your job. As for "oppressive government", please go to India and see how "oppressive" they are. The western media is a joke when it comes to propaganda. Don't forget that the ideology of the government aims to unite all the indigenous religions of India as one people regardless of "caste".
India was the most influential country in the world before industrialization, so I wouldn’t say it was “out of view”, only out of view from the viewpoint of Europe. Even then, india had the most effect on europe out of any Asian country east of Iran. Also, caste system did not become rigid and as oppressive until recently due to incredible societal pressures such as Turkish invasions in 1300s and European rule in 1800s. But other than that, india actually had the most equal major society in the world, in fact lords in india weren’t even owners of peasants, but just tax collectors while peasants usually owned their own land. This caste system was detrimental to society nonetheless though, and is the reason for the downfall of india from great power status
China and India remind me of the Greeks and the Romans. China is like the Romans because their strength is from their political power through imperialism. India is like Ancient Greece because that’s where a lot of culture and ideas came from that ended up influencing the rest of the continent.
India used to have more strength and power than china in ancient times...though no wars were fought cause we had Tibet as the border not china...not today not in future
It's opposite, greeks are like indians and Chinese like roman, you people tend to forget indians and Chinese civilizations and cultures are older. Also india was more influential before china.
12:30 what’s somewhat interesting about the Cast system, is that there was some sort of social mobility through the casts through reincarnation. If one fulfilled their role well enough, they would be born into a better class next life.
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Or so they believed, the level of restrictions a person faced just by being born to a certain caste is abhorrent. Your caste governs what you wear, eat, what job you get, whom you're gonna marry .
The caste system started to bcom rigid in 600th century AD and historians and anthropologist don't know why they started ... many will say it was Manusmriti but Smriti means recollection in Sanskrit but our scolars only followed Shashtras and Samhitas ... so I don't know why our ancestors stared that dumb thing bcoz it's also created a genetic stratification when u just married people from your own caste lmao when I just think about it I always laugh so hard 😂 🤣
@ yes, like slavery but more effective. Think relative to the time and understand how much more efficient it is in terms of specialisation of occupation across generations and lastly maintaining the cultural individuality....which was a question I had since a long time. It's as simple as picking your poison. No cultural individuality, homogeneous society or all this. I would have chosen the former(cuz I believe homogeneous societies likes of Norwegian and Japan, south korea are really the best. And they are sorta the best) but the people back then(a lot of them, cuz people did follow it ultimately despite the priest class being the smaller demography) chose the latter with democracy.
’NATURE’ A scientific journal has done a research of now dried river Saraswati in that they found out it started to dry down in 6000 bc . So the last time Saraswati river was in full force was about 8000 years ago. Interestingly in the RIG VEDA it is clearly mentioned the Saraswati river is a big river and mother of floods. So clearly Hinduism and the Sanskrit language is at least 8000 years old.
As an Indian after watching this video, I have concluded that this is more of white propaganda video without historical records sponsored by vastest interest group.
Fun Fact, Im an Indian Nationalist, Im Bengali, Im Hindu and Im Gay ..... The Starter Pack for Indian Nationalist would be same as showing a European - Nazi Flag, Denying Holocaust, among others, Personally I can say Hinduism is one of the only religions that accept Diverse Sexuality but also venerate then, hence you would find the same sense of similarity in Thailand which is also part of the Indosphere following Dharmic Religions - Nepal being another one and Singapore joining recently.
My man i respect you being nationalist and a proud person but this guy is spreading misinformation about Aryan invasion and soo on so better do research of you're own
But this is not the final authority on almost all the points he touched upon. This is merely his opinion based on the study he did. Please keep an open mind if in future alternative opinions can debunk any of the points propagated in this video.
Yeah from arts, crafts, textiles, monuments, buildings, statues, temples, palaces, tombs fortresses, castles, shrines, pyramids, and other parts of Desi history is fantastical
Great video! I would only like to point out that the Basque countries and Sardinia were relatively left out from the Indo-European invasions, at least from a linguistic point of view, and although Sardinia now has been long latinized the majority of the place names and a lot of plant names and other words are infact pre-Indo-European, being the Nuragic civilisation probably founded by the descendants of the European neolithic farmers.
This channel is insane. I literally have to put off watching these videos for a few days until I have 100% focus/free time, or else I miss all the juicy details. There's no watching 'WhatIfAltHist' while cooking dinner, for example, as there is with other RUclipsrs... Because ever second is jam-packed with fascinating info. Tried to get my mates into this channel, but they're too stupid to appreciate the genius of Rudyard.
I am an Indian. My thoughts, India is a capable of being a mother to the world. The reason is her culture. Yaadhum oore yaavarum kelir (Tamil) translates to all cities are my city and all people are my relatives. It has a huge heart. The compassion , openness, magnanimity is in the dna. One example is how India shared it covid vaccine with smaller countries who can’t do much to support India politically. India is inherently less biased, secular, tolerant towards different people. Muslims here are the most peaceful and happy here. Now the downside is India needs some time to bounce back economically as UK looted all the wealth. The other thing is India has to become clean 🧼. It will take another 50 years it sure will.
Much better title would be ‘ History of North Indian Civilisation’ .However these videos are the most comprehensive and accurate independent observation on Indian history, mostly .
@@deku006its pretty damn accurate. About north india. He didnt consider south india as a seperate entity., as in reality history of south india is different.
The cast even matters in business, as a marwari myself, I know that marwaris are more likely to trust other marwaris and gujraties when when doing business with them specially when you are working on credit, both these communities have been treaders for centuries.
India is the country where gene editing and embryo selection, particularly gene editing for higher intelligence, has the most widespread support. This could have massive long-term implications. It's possible that in the future, the majority of geniuses will be Indian. Having a large high IQ population could result in India generating massive amounts of science and technology, as well as generating plenty of soft power and making the country more efficiently run in general.
I still doubt such future for next 50 years as a small strata of people can afford gene editing if it is possible. Moreover we produce a lot of intelligent people but if the education system and economic laws still suck then they will leave for America. Thus, we will still have a brain drain.
Gene editing is evolution of selective breeding commonly applied domestic animals and plants for thousands of years. This allowed humanity to transcend the stone age and limits of imposed by nature. In India the caste system and arranged marriage was attempt to do the same with humans and domestic the human nature itself. People can say what want about India, but culturally it's quite stable, if not set it's ways and admittedly very toxic for those at the bottom. As the video states it's why all the splinter religions and foreign religions/philosophy rapidly spread or were adopted. This is something people all over the world should pause to consider when aggressively pushing top social down pressure on those on which society stands... It shouldn't be any surprise that a people who see selective breeding as way of life, when it's tied to their lively hoods and very life trajectory, would see virtue in such technologies. Although this is also probably making people blind to the downsides as they are with the caste system of which the conquences of such it cannot fully reconcile today.
That’s not true at all, and you’re using a fallacy equating intelligence to iq. Most likely, using genetic editing to increase people’s iqs won’t do jack, and in fact would worsen society because of the broader societal implications. Just look at Pakistan, they have an iq 40 points higher than india but are a complete shit hole even compared to india
Also your comment about Indian nationalists being the most unhinged in the world- I want to point out one very important thing. My opinion is that Indian nationalists are Indians who see our religion, our society and our history through western lenses and ideas of community, of religion and of nationalism. As you pointed out in your video, the keywords to understand India are dazzling amounts of diversity, a co-existence, an accommodation for every kind of idea and culture....a concept of God which does not bother about conversions or religious wars or of an exclusive God. The Indian nationalists go exactly against this most Indian of ideas and want to impose on India and Hinduism a kind of uniformity, a strait-jacketed identity of the kind that has existed in ideas of nationhood and community in the west ... they espouse these ideals which in fact are the exact opposite of what Hinduism and India have always been....In a nutshell, they are perhaps Indians reacting to modernity and modernist ideas....looking at India through a western, Christian/Islamic way of thinking and feeling ashamed...their ideas are such 2nd rate copy of western ideas that its almost laughable In addition, just as with Germany in the 2 world wars...most of these nationalists are insecure about their history,.....they have a chip on their shoulder and want to re-write our history which seems shameful to them....they read our history in terms of emperors and kings having unitary Hindu identities or Muslim identities when in fact even Hinduism has at least 8 completely divergent well-worked out philosophies (including atheist schools of thought) within it and 100s of different manifestations in terms of local practices...we do not have one single holy book like the Bible or Quran...and yet the Hindu nationalists wet dream is to impose on us all a single, glorious Hindu identity....
My dude the situation this country is going through we definitely need some uniformity and nationhood. Or else we'll separate in fragments like europe has. Learn from your past mistakes there's a reason brits and turks controlled our subcontinent. Also with Abrahamic religions trying to impose over brahmic religions you need some uniformity.
I have to agree with the fact that India must be a very Creative country as its a region ruled by culture and not by state. China always feels like an Ant colony but India feels like a colony of Bees!
@@reddragon100 Yup agreed !! And hence it even though creates some cool invention but is way backward compared to China😂! I always see Indians and Russians in same category - both have huge potential but they are so chaotic to even implement them. And ultimately China and US always have the upper hand!
I would say while in Europe, there is barely any culture or mythology left over of the pre-Indo-European cultures, there is one place where some of it seems to have been left. The Norse mythology has two distinct set of gods, ones being the patriarchal warlike Aesir, and the other being the matriarchal magical Vanir, where the theory is that the Vanir represented the gods and people of the pre-Indo-European tribes living in Scandinavia and the Aesir representing the Indo-European peoples.
Nice. But if oldeuropean I1 was matriarchal than it came from South farming communities and should have original equivalent in Basque or in Illyrian balcans. These people on North were scarce since glaciation just went away and there wasn't land to farm there, so no big communities would spawn especially in cold isolated places. Hunters, physical providers and fighters aren't building matriarchal cultures at all. No warrior will accept being led by woman to battle except if it's total teocracy with a witch leading. but it would be already complex religious system where food isn't scarce and people can afford wasting time for cults customs and shit instead of foraging. The oldest cult in Europe was a Lionman 30000 yo?
What's your source for the caste system being stronger in South India than North India? (8:50) The reading I've done suggests the opposite, and I've also visited both regions and have noticed caste being markedly more important in the north. I'd also argue you're attributing way too much to the caste system, both in its contribution to the modern stability of India and to it holding India back in terms of social advancement. I'd argue the same for how you suggest Indian culture influenced its history and state-building processes. I think a more plausible explanation involves to the density of India throughout history. India is far denser than the three other Afro-Eurasian civilization groups you define, and as a result of that, diverse cultural groups are of equivalent population in India compared to the rest, but are much smaller in geographic size. This makes conquest and empire building easy. Empires can hold the same size as equivalent Chinese dynasties, European kingdoms, or Middle Eastern/North African states, but that equivalent size means a much larger cultural diversity. Such diversity makes a larger, unified state much easy to create but hard to maintain, and results in more feudal and more weak control. This naturally leads to their collapse. I think this is a more reasonable justification for why empires like Maurya never reached the longevity or apparatus of power that their Roman and Han counterparts reached. (And for the caste system, while it did hinder things like meritocracy and natural love, this is the norm for human civilizations. I doubt the caste system was any more detrimental than feudal or monarchical structures in Europe or the system of dynasties in China.)
The Germanic people believed in reincarnation as said by Tacitus, while earlier Norse texts reflect a belief in reincarnation as well but as the Norse urbanised they forgot their culture (they went from having religious leaders for smaller tribes of 50 to a religious leader for 5000 in a town, the medieval warm period did a lot for population growth) where a belief in Valhalla comes later in the period most likely influenced by Christianity. Likewise there does exist reincarnation in Greek myth too.
Maybe it was part of the original Indo- Europeans. I never heard of any other civilizations believing in reincarnation, though. Curious on the source for that one...
@@demun6065 you can look at the writings of Plato who wrote about reincarnation in the Republic. Early Christians like Origen of Alexandria also believed in reincarnation. Later Christianity really did a cultural genocide of European beliefs and reincarnation was considered a heresy. The reason you haven’t heard of reincarnation in European belief systems is because pro Christian biases are so normalized in our society.
Provide source for such belief by Germanic people. There is probably concept of partial reincarnation as IE people had concept of few parts of soul one being immortal. There were stories about Celts borrowing money to give back in next life but there is no certainty if they really ment rebirth or the afterlife. There was also a totemic/clan soul. There was also mortal fleshly soul that died with person. IE believes were hardcore based on cult of heroes. These heroes and chieftains were later deified creating basis for pantheon. And that's true Viking beliefs as being very late were modified and even affected by people who visited Rome before it's falling. There were also some hunnic immigrants to Scandinavia. But majority of their beliefs were old and they were surrounded by other IE people entirely... so you could rather expect the most conservative versions preserved there. The last stop on IE (Corded ware culture) conquer of Europe path was Frisia, later from this center they sailed to British Islands and wiped. In Frisia and Holland are still concentrated the tallest Europeans and there were breed the high load horses for medieval iron knights. Selection for promoted physical traits is typically IE thing, they even selected cattle to create white horses in cult considered sacred and related to King. While black horses were related to underworld. They even modified own phenotype because original Yamnaya people had darker skin, eyes and hair. But there were later similar practices in Asia as one chieftain only accepting children with the same 6 fingers as him. Steppe custom was also modifying scull shapes. And you are right we miss the old realities & proportions. Like in Bible where Israel was conquering kingdom afer kingdom when in reality these was simple villages with their chieftains being called Kings 😂
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A point you missed was the mythical/historic Saraswati river which flowed parallel to Indus. The interesting fact is that most Harappan cities were not on Indus but on the valley of now dried up Ghaggar Hakra river which many identify as river Saraswati. From your video it is pretty clear that the books you read as source material were written in the 70s or 80s. I would recommend you reading The Ancient Indian History by Upinder Singh(daughter of former prime Minister Manmohan Singh). The historiography in India is now dominated by Indians and they use modern techniques unlike in the past when it was mostly written by foreigners with biases. Take for example you calling Buddha a non Aryan ; He acknowledges himself as a Kshatriya of the shakya clan. Your conclusion that Mauryans ruled through oral dictates is purely based on megasthenes , the Greek ambassador’s writings that said Indians had no written language. But actually there are hundreds of Ashokan inscriptions written in Brahmi script which had edicts propagating dharma and these inscriptions were uniform throughout the country which rules out your theory of lack of centralisation. The Mauryans never let the conquered territories be ruled by the locals as you said ; Ashoka was the Governor of Takshashila / Gandhara province (present Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan) before becoming the king , so princes were the Governors and not the locals. And finally your knowledge of varna system and Jati system is too juvenile. Jati and varna are two different things .All the three higher Varnas have the right to wear the sacred thread ; but not all higher Jatis have the right to do so. Jati is highly fluid; you could be a lower Jati now but could rise up if your social standing rises , but your varna remains the same. To understand this I would take myself as an example . I am from a higher jati called Nair but I belong to shudra varna; The rulers of Calicut whom Portuguese first encountered were from my Jati (caste); so he was a shudra ruler of the Kingdom. To make it more clear , the caste system is actually the Jati system and not the Varna hierarchy. Though it forms the basic framework for classification , varna system was never practiced in its ideal form but Jati hierarchy is a painful reality even today.
Those are some actually good explanations and corrections, kudos to you
Buddha was definitely an Aryan (which meant Noble One). The eight-fold path used to be called the Aryan path
@@pyropulseIXXI yes chattari “Ariya Saccani” in pali or chatvari Arya satyani in Sanskrit for four noble truths...and arya ashtangamarga for eight fold path.....
Aryan Dravidian theory has been debunked log ago.
@@kaushiksinha4673 Yes DNA analysis of the remains found at various Indus Valley sites show them to be genetically similar to the current population of Punjab and Sindh ; But what about the language groups. Indo Aryan languages are not at all related to Dravidian ones except for the many Sanskrit loan words. Vedic Sanskrit is closer to Avestan Persian than to the Tamil of the sangam period. So there must have been a migration from somewhere of the group which brought Sanskrit to India. As he said this group would have been a small one who would have filled the power vacuum caused by the fall of Harappan civilisation due to climatic or geographic reasons. Their language might have mixed with the ones of the larger population resulting in languages with an Indo Aryan base but evolved over time with many non Indo Aryan words. That is why classical Sanskrit is a whole different entity compared to Vedic Sanskrit. They are mutually unintelligible. This did not happen in the south as it was not the part of the original Aryavarta , which extended only till Maharashtra. So the Indo Aryan speakers might be genetically same as the Dravidian speakers , but their languages are different.
I've been to India four times and feel I understand it only a basic level. Each state of India is like its own country, and each division of a state like its own autonomous region. All I know is every inch of that wondrous nation is saturated with history and intrigue, peppered with works of artistic and architectural majesty. Tamil Nadu is my favorite part of India...so vibrant, colorful and beautiful! The temples of TN are extraordinary, almost other worldly. I hope to do my fifth trip within the next two years.
I’ve lived here for 31 years and I still only understand it on a basic level.
I understand all of India. AMA!
think that all the time, it would take several life times to fully grasp the history of hindustan and asia. Its taking me half my own life just learning about my own peoples continental history, which is mostly destroyed with whats left still feeling like a endless amounts of discovery and history barely being uncovered. the 5 cradles of civilization do have a unparalleled deep rich history.
This video is bullshit
its because the only place you have visited , i guess!!
Some of the reasons why we know so little about ancient India:
1. Everything rots in this weather except for Rock. All the books require to be rewritten in two or three centuries. This requires enormous budget and state patronage.
2. We burn our dead, not burry. Graves are actually one of the best places to find artifacts for archaeologists.
3. Budget constraints for archaeologists of India.
4. Many ancient cities are continuously inhabited. You can't tell millions of people to just move for archeological excavation.
5. Theft of ancient artifacts during British Raj.
6 would be.- destruction of old evidences, culture, scriptures, libraries like burning of Nalanda, stone carvings on architecture destroyed like old temples etc by Islamic invaders for uprooting the old society to build their own new Islamic society which can't be questioned due to non existent past.
U forgot the most important thing that education took place in temples and also written history and documents and temples were first target of Muslims . We had temples of hindu and buddist as far as Persia and middle east but can we find them ? No , we can't because they were destroyed by muslim and with them the history and records were too some temples which survived we can see having family records far back as 500 years .
@@KAIMA.N no one needs those trashy things anyway, eat ur heart out. We will take it again if we get the chance! What now u little mody swine!
I sadly agree. Too little has been invested in archeological digs in India. Although the difficulties you mentioned are most probably also a complicating matter. Although the political tensions between India and Pakistan have most probably also further complicated this matter (at least when it comes to the 'Harappan' civilization).
But, with that said - and I'm not in any way biased here, or in any way condone the many inhumane acts of the British Raj - it wasn't 'only' the British Raj who have stolen a lot of invaluable artifacts from India...for ex. countless raids and incursions on Indian lands have come from several other different 'warlords' - for ex. from Iran, Afghanistan, central Asia, etc., etc.. They all did very much the same.
Anyway - cheers from Sweden.
Also,Stupid Islamic Invaders destroyed so many precious evidences.
india is a very maximalist culture. it is like the opposite of Scandinavia. Indian food is overflowing with spices and random ingredients, Norwegians eat like plain fish and some bread. Indians outfits are all extremely overflowing with patterns and colors. Norwegians dress in earth tones. Indians have the entire village turn out for a wedding with 10,000 people. Norwegians have like their immediate family and thats it. lol
Beauty is in contrast to
@@memesins5647 i love them both ❤
Here where caste system plays the role, differenr caste have different gene pool and different culture and food preference.
scandinavia just had few people and poor land for growing food
Grown indian men will hold hands in public, Norwegians don't even say hi to their best friends.
7:12 "No nation ever gives up its culture willingly"
What about 21th century western Europe?
they are doing it willingly?
The culture has been dying slowly for the past 50 years
Sabotage and infiltration by hostile powers.
Enforced at gunpoint by America via the outcome of WW2.
Yes, some of the most documented histories and cultures (due to location and temperatures) of the world is having it's culture erased/given up.
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In the map on 0:40, you should have included the Philippine Island of Cebu as one of the places influenced by India. The Island’s first kingdom was founded by a Chola Prince from Sri Vijaya.
Are you saying he is wrong? because the sri vijaya were definetely indic influenced
@@possiblyzero3582the map is wrong in 0:40, Cebu Island in the Philippines should also be Pink since the supposed founder of Cebu Island polity is a Chola Empire prince who lived in Sri Vijaya.
@@florenzryansotelo8552 right
9:46 no , originally it was supposed to be like you can jump between the castes but during later years it was lost in translation and it became a rule that you can't change Cates or marry someone outside your caste
I think it happened during the British Raj
@@davidisliberal2973 not just that but the hate towards trans or LGBTQ+pro Max is here also because of Britishers,they were the ones that didn't like gay people and when the came here they passed laws to punish kinnar(Indian version of LGBTQ) just because they were neither male nor female, otherwise kinners were treated as higher gender and always invited to events as kind of chief guest
@@starmaker75 thats wrong, people were divided into casts according to their skill and not their birth, the original varna system could enable a vaishya born to be a kshatriya or brahmin
@@davidisliberal2973 no , it happened much before that presumably during Gupta period .
@@mawsey1477 oh great here comes the Indians to make shit up to make themselves feel good
Sorry, that my fellow Indians couldn't handle your well researched video well.
They're very triggered, that's the false pride that our current fascist government has instilled in them.
One correction:
Hinduism was never a religion.
It grew from Historical Vedic religion of which many gods in the pantheon were foreign in origin, then the local castes (jatis) added their flavor to it making it modern Hinduism.
In simple words, that religion is Brahminism as was found in documents by my visitors to India.
This is one of the most honest videos ive ever come across where you were uninhibited and weren't worried for offending our brainwashed people who believe in whatever they see over what their gurus teach them.
10/10 quality. Keep it up, subbed!
Triggered!!!! If your research has so many flaws so it is natural to be triggered.
Fun fact: many languages including Hindi have alphabets that are visual representations of mouth and tongue postures for each sound.
Plz explain..
Yeah I didn't know that.
This video is bullshit
Hangeul (Korean script) is like that. I think it was based on a Mongolian script called the phags-pa which was designed by a Tibetan monk. So it must have an indic origin before that.
@Rasgulla wow that's fascinating. Probably made reading a lot easier before any sort of schooling.
@Whatifalthist Bureaucracy did exist in all Ancient Indian Empire and it was an elaborate one. Kautilya's Arthshastra tells about the bureaucracy in detail and Mauryan Empire was not a decentralised state but a centralised police state and Kings were not involved in Horse sacrifice alone. The Horse Sacrifice was a means of grabbing territory from a neighbouring Kingdom without waging war. Records were also maintained in all Indian Empires especially for Judicial Functions.
Aryan Dravidian theory has been debunked log ago.
@@kartikranga6534 This guy is either ill-informed or has ill-intent
@@kaushiksinha4673 he is grossly misinformed , he has not read a single indian book written by a nationalist and to hide that he dismisses them by saying they are unhinged . He uses a few unhinged eliments and then goes on to eliminate an entire school .
@@kaushiksinha4673 You didn't even have written records before conquerers came in.
The horse ritual of ashwamedh yagna was only done by strongest King such as Chandragupta otherwise it would mean act of war . The horse going anywhere with army to protect it only rich and strong guy can afford that
I don’t know if it’s intentional. But I always appreciate your “Now back to the video” screen length. As someone who spam skips through the advert I always land on the screen. Never missing the start of the video!
1)Whenever you visit India, Visit Kurukshetra. You will get a fair idea that Mahabharat isn't a copy and edit version of other stories. The bit that feels similar is the common theme that drives almost all wars.
There is no place called gurukahetra. You hindians naming places kurukshetra, ramar birth place. You are living in fantacy story world. Just get out from it.🤷🤦🤦 I know you are just. A victim of bramins.and their stories. They are just stories. Not real incidents
Who said it was copy paste??? And what does it have to do with visiting kurukshetra??
@@devdhanda3958 nije giye dekhe ne,bujhe jabi
Aryans started settling after reaching Bactria. They didn't have Vedas yet. They just there and then saw cities, different social structures and started asking big questions about origin of world building philosophy. Earlier they had the same old myths of Eurasian herders & hunters-gaterers. They brought their genes & language in this region of world from far away with a few OP military inventions but only when they stopped and settled they started composing RigVeda and transition to other less military and nomadic lifestyle. That's why you can see many advanced complex Sanskrit religious terms with completely basic naturalist original nearly shamanic meanings in European languages.
It's like transition between a simple word tree into nordic iggdrasil world tree, of Wiśnia 🍒 into Vishnu or widzieć to see, vision into Veda knowledge.
Nearly all myths are about war because these were historical mile stones in every culture creation of falling. Like Roman story about being nearly wiped out by Celts what become their foundation & greed for betterment and survival.
MegaBrotherhood but Poor sisters never mentioned.
@@ItachiUchiha-bf3pjkoiy eda?
I'm tripuri Bengali idk where is it
I had no idea just how complex the Indian civilization was! This video was very eye opening
I know. I was shocked on just how deep it was too
Civilisation*
What did you expect, given how Indians seem so different and cannot even agree with themselves more often than not?
Honestly what you guys were shown in the video did not even scratch the surface, and I am not even exaggerating when I say that. There were a lot of things (and I mean A LOT, almost the entire video tbh) that he just generalized, and a lot more he was just plainly wrong. We're a really diverse place and everyone's identity has been hyper politicized by the British because of their divide and rule policies, which is being continued by modern Indian politicians across the board.
@@yugmathakkar4023 hey, don't overwhelm them. Let the firangis make their effort, no need of us getting out of the way to confront/comfort them.
Interesting video. A couple major things you might have glossed over/missed. The Caste System became very rigid over time and was coopted by invading peoples to effectively rule India. Think the british Raj or the Mughals or the Dehli Sultanate.
Also since India is so large the religion is so different by place thats its difficult to view as one.
Finally one empire you glossed over is the Chola empire. They ruled part of Southern India for nearly 1000 years in some form and consistently was one of the highest GDP places in the world. In my opinion the Chola dynasty was the greatest Indian empire or atleast tied with the Mauryan Empire.
Lol indian caste system was getting over rigidified from the get go, you can see traces of this trend starting in the Mahabharata itself. Still it was very fluid back then. Something between the 500bce - 500AD was the major cause of caste system getting rigidified. Britishers just put the final nail in the coffin of an already ongoing process. Mughals didn't have that much of a contribution in affecting the trajectory of the caste system.
It's true that the original caste system was more merit based and eugenic.
Aryan Dravidian theory has been debunked log ago.
@@Deepak_Dhakad where most wealth was concentrated in the hands of foreign nobles and peasants used to leave their lands out of fear for the tax collector
He didn't even reach the time of the cholas in this video
@@Deepak_Dhakad Mauryans and Guptas had more wealth than Mughals.
Nice Effort but there are some things that do need to be said:
1.I just want to point out that in your map at 25:15, What you have labeled as "Travancore" is actually the Konkan Coast and while "Kerala" is roughly accurate, "Travancore" is southern Kerala. It would be like labeling Alabama as a country on the US-Canada border
2. As far as I know, Brahmins were always above Kshatriyas right from the earliest Rigvedic texts
3. The Mauryas and Guptas had a bureaucracy and standing army as per several texts of the time including Kautilya's Arthashastra and the Greek Ambassador Megasthenes.
4. As far as the Indus Valley/Harappan Civilization is concerned, the current scholarly consensus leans towards them being proto-Dravidian and not with the Dravidians being a separate race entirely.
The whole of West Coast now belongs to Kerala lol hahaha
He knows he just wants to ignore it.
He makes a lot of the maps himself and from memory apparently. Would be weird if he didnt make a few mistakes. I would say as long as it's mostly right its still useful as a visual aid.
@@ScubesFTW Oh yes, I do agree! Its impossible for everyone to know everything. But it is important to point out flaws/mistakes so that they can be corrected later.
He is pointing about Aryan Invasion lol. Even Aryan Race is obsolete. Pakistanis look european because Alexander ruled there. Iranians look like european too?. If anyone has doubts search about Persians or Parsi. Followers of Mazdayasna (Old Iranian religion). What atrocities Alexander and his generals committed in Persia. And Aryan Invasion theory was given by person who never travelled to india. Noone knew what india was.
As an Indian, someone who has studied the Vedic corpus, and as an economist, your analysis is really good
I love each of your civilizational videos. You're one of the few content creators who can talk about how entire societies evolve, function, and stagnate. It is not only interesting, but it allows us to reflect on what is important to us and what we should value.
if only he was factually correct!
Just keep in mind that they are massively oversimplified.
@@shekelgangiv3411 it's all wrong. He's some kind european supremacist..sintashta culture didn't even originate in Ukraine to begin with... everything eurocentric. For this guy 1000bce Mahabharata is copied from 8bce illiad...wtf!!
@@dynamitebsb4520 idk enough about india to say this is all horse shit, but, having watched most of his videos analysing civilisations, he comes from a very anglo-centric point of view. The embodiment of perfide Albion.
@@shekelgangiv3411 thankyou for recognising. The guy is so casual in saying Greeks ruled India! The Greeks ddint even enter the present day India...they entered pakistan and only reached till indus. ofcourse pakistan is pattnof ancient India, but saying Greeks ruled India for 300 yrs!! He only reached the mouth of India, suddenly for this guy, it became Greeks conquered India.
I would love an understanding African civilization video cause as an African American born and raised in the U.S countryside it wasn’t talked about much if at all during my school years
Africa never had a civilization. They had tribes
There are five civilizations. Indian, Chinese, European, Mayan, and Mesopotamian.
Africa had empires before european colonization mind you but they like all other empires normally eventually will fell apart
Edit: yes there were also tribal civilizations but also actual big nation states like in egypt, north and east africa
@@Forbidden_Word Look at history, history disproves your claim Alexander.
Africa is to diverse for a single video I would instead expect a seperate video for swahili civ, sahel civ, ethiopian/horn african civ, and possibly a north african section to his islamic civ video.
As a neospenglerian myself, and a fan of Huntington, I’ve really been enjoying your “Understanding Civilization” series. Albeit with a different formula, I have for some time been considering making a similar series for my own channel, when I get the time to do so; and I find that when I don’t find the time to sit down and read, videos such as yours can be a nice alternative to get the cognitive juices flowing.
Congrats on your channel’s success, from one historian to another.
It's not history channel. It's some eurocentric fantasy channel
@@dynamitebsb4520 Eurocentric? Dude, his entire historical framework is fundamentally NON-Eurocentric! Whether he has read him or not, I don’t know, but WiAH’s outlook is borderline-Spenglerian!
If you want Eurocentric, go watch MonsierZ 🤣
@@ThePoliticrat You sound kind of spastic.
No excuses, make a video and see where it goes. I bet you could teach us something that was possibly missed or glossed over.
@@notsocrates9529 I plan on incorporating some of my own theories as well, particularly in how I am of the position that:
1. Islamic Civilization began with the feudalistic Parthians in the first century or so. The wars against Rome by the Sassanians were their equivalent of the Crusades (as they were to Europe). The Rise of Islam was their reformation, with Mohammed as a cross between Luther and Cromwell. Islamic Civilization finally ended with Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt.
2. Latin America is not a distinct civilization, and is merely a unique appendage of the West
3. There was another high civilization that proceeded classical civilization that I call “Greco-Aegean” or “Heroic”.
4. Sumerian/“Hashemic” Civilization was a completely separate civilizational entity from that of Mesopotamia & the near east
during the age of the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Israelites, and the Canaanites; the reason for their aesthetic and linguistic similarities is merely due to the incredible impact that the dead Sumerian culture had over the land by the time of “Irano-Semitic” civilization’s emergence around 1900 BC. This civilization then collapsed with the fall of the Achameniads.
Just some ideas.
'Fall of Civilizations' episode on Vijayanagara Empire is simply amazing.
I live in Kochi, Kerala, India. The place I live in is a metro city with a storng Christian and Muslim minority. The city is becoming more westerner every year with restaurants, oversees education opportunities etc. Anyone who only speak English can get by here since most shops, directions, bus stops and railway stations use english billboards and signs where as the local language malayalam and Hindi is not common. Most people understand english adequately to communicate with foreigners. This city is a favorites of expats who live in the US, Uk and Australia. The state's politics is centre left therefore big factories are not present here atleast compared to our industrial neighbor Tamil Nadu. Our Malayalam Films along with Bengali movies tend to win most number national film awards.
Hello from your industrial neighbour Tamil Nadu! Kochi-Ernakulam is a beautiful city!
So whats the take. Being more western is some kind of trophy?
@@dynamitebsb4520 I know he said western, but I think he meant globalised. Kerala has a large number of people from the middle east, europe and America (mostly returning malayali expats). In contrast, the other megacities of the south (Chennai, bangalore) have a large number of Indians from across the country. (North, north-east, west etc.)
@@dynamitebsb4520 Well yeah in the case of Kerala. One of its main income sources aside from remitances from NRIs, is from Tourism. Its a beautiful, safe and calm places compared to northern India.
What about the communist party in power there....are you saying they are leftist?
I think the fact that there's already people who seem to know their stuff passionately debating how wrong the other is about Indian culture and history proves just how difficult it is to understand. The locals can't even agree so the rest of us have quite the challenge
Edit: see replies for a fantastic example
India is a democracy so naturally there are a lot of disagreements, arguments and debates. It's also because we are a very diverse country.
But underneath the differences, there are more similarities. We have a common history, our languages are similar to each other and our moral values are similar.
Democratically, we generally agree on a few basic things:
We all are patriotic - whether left or right neither side hates the country despite its flaws. What we do hate is our politicians.
Our elections are fair and trustworthy - while some leftist extremists do claim that the BJP rigs the voting machines, the vast majority of people and all parties accept the results of the elections. There hasn't been any protest of any election being rigged. Although there may be some vote rigging at the lower levels.
Our judiciary is independent: While we complain that justice is often delayed and sometimes denied, that the judgements are wrong etc, we don't disobey the courts and abide by their rulings. We trust that the judiciary will prevent government overreach and is beholden.
And lastly, our military: We love the men and women who serve in our armed forces. They risk and sometimes give their lives for us so we are greatly indebted to them. There are some extreme leftists who hate the army - they are a small minority - 99% of Indians love the army. We don't accept any insults towards them.
@@globalnationalismyoutube I've always found India fascinating. I've never gotten to know an Indian who wasn't just the most friendly and welcoming person. I've got a buddy whose family owns some property somewhere in the south. I've got an open invitation to stay at the family home out there and I very much intend to use that offer one of these days.
Even though they grew up in the states, they've retained a lot of traditional culture. It's always really fun to learn from. My wife and I showed them what an American thanksgiving meal is and my friends (they're brothers) showing me how delicious biryani is
@@ryantannar5301 whenever I heard any Indian saying things like "preserving culture" then it's most propable that they're the "upper caste" and proud of their caste. Hence preserving the 2000 yrs old caste system.
The caste is in the blood.
@@globalnationalismyoutube Exactly! My words, bhai.🙂👍
@@ryantannar5301 South? You mean Southern India?
@Whatifalthist As an Indian I would like to appreciate your efforts in order to investigate the most complex civilization in History. But you're wrong on certain points, especially the caste system. To understand the complexity of Indian civilization John Keay is a good introductory material but it is written for a casual European reading Indian History. You should refer these books to understand the Indian thought on politics, religion, language, sciences etc:
1. The History and Culture of the Indian People by Dr. RC Majumdar (11 Volumes)
2. History of Dharmaśāstra by PV Kane (6 Volumes) (Volume 2 deals with Caste System in Detail), (This book is used in many Indian Courts for interpretation of Customs in Hindu Law)
3. Arthshastra by Kautilya (translated in English by RP Kangle) (Arthshastra is a voluminous work dealing with statecraft, polity, law, beaurocracy, social structure, espionage, foreign policy, war, economy etc.)
Kaultaliya is basically Sun Tzu+Machiavelli+Adam Smith+Han Feizi
4. Corporate Life in Ancient India by RC Majumdar
5.Military History of India by Sir Jadunath Sarkar
6. Hindu Polity by Dr. KP Jayaswal
7.A History of Indian Literature (Set of 30 Volumes) (Indian Literature is 95% secular and only 5% religious)
8. History of Science in India (Set of 11 Volumes)
Most of these are available in Archive.org for free. I can recommend 100 more books but these are a good starting point.
Y’all cringe Jeez just accept the fact caste system existed instead of making shit up to make yourself feel good
@@harlowida Who said caste system didn't exist, it did but it is not as simplistic as it is being potrayed. To determine a caste birth alone is not a criteria there are a thousand of rules to determine caste stated in the Mimansa Sastra of Jaimini. And I have already provided enough material to read what caste is all about.
6:36 weird school of thought!!!!
Really???
Almost everyone in the academic sphere believes that it was not an invasion but migration (not necessarily peaceful)
It's not Indian nationalists who say this but academicians say this
I think not being hindu part in 3:18 is incorrect.
It is more like not being Indic.
Also, India has given rights to lgbtq community and both right and left support it.
Indian civilisation has been most supportive of lgbtq community in past compared to west and middle east.
Yes, they are called trithiya-prakriti and are mentioned in many ancient Indian texts
That's because what people do in private is of no concern but Abrahamic religion take offence with that as there are specific commandments against LGBT in Bible/qoran.
Lol does anyone see his bias,He shows other civilization as barbarians/inferiors,If he comes to Europeans he says they were enlightened and superior.
@@dharmrakshak6735 ya, we should be very careful while watching videos like these. He hasn't even cited a single source. He just wants us to know that he has read 1000s of pages - source - trust me bro?
Also that meme at the start was so cringe, lol, whatsapp forward vibes.
@@kap. I am glad newer generations aren't just simps for whites as used to be earlier. These people, the RUclipsrs themselves are soaked into propaganda fed to them by their government and establishment so no offense to them but Indians gotta be careful.
Hey man, I want you to know that I like your videos so much, that one of them ("What if ancient Greece industrialized?") inspired me to write about an alternate timeline that just happen. I am still working on the first two centuries and I changed a few things that you mentioned, but overall it was still thanks to you that I started to write and investigate about the ancient world. Thank you.
Where to read it?
Please post it in this thread when you upload it.
@Ur Auntsvibrator I would like to keep working on it before I show it to anyone (also it's in spanish).
But basically:
Before 400 BC.
Socrates is never born, so western philosophy becomes very different.
Pericles does not die in the plague of Athens and with his leadership and telling spartan slaves that they will be free, Sparta loses allies and have too many riots, thus, Athens wins the peloponesean war. The Delian league and Sparta becomes the Athenian Empire by 400 BC.
400 BC:
Many academias are built. They would all teach different topics, but some would develop a good reputation for certain things. One academy in Athens would excell at teaching math and politics, another in Athens excell for their discoveries in architecture and so on.
The concept of the atom from Democritus becomes relevant (Plato originally did not like the idea of the atom, so without him, the idea of the atom thrives). Democritus also invents the concept of "bastard and legitimate" knowledge (predecesor of the scientific method) and by the end of the century a philosopher like Francis Bacon would come up the actual scientific method.
Also, Gorgias, a philosopher who wrote "On the non-existence", becomes more relevant and presents the idea that maybe nothing exists. This in turn, make people wonder about the void and encourages the idea of the number 0.
They create the "language" of numbers. This helps them come up with arithmetic, algebra, trigonometry, the method of exhaustion (which was already originated by a philosopher called Anthiphon). All of this leads to applications to architecture, astronomy and the economy.
The empire would still have a democratic leader (choosen every 10 years), but it would also be ruled by mechantile classes, leading the way to early capitalism. In order to prevent a stigma against capitalism, all slaves that have a role related to money became a free citizen).
They introduced the theory of miasma, invent the antikythera mechanism is invented early, they create trebuchets and normalize the "greek fire", use perlite (a local natural resource) to filter water.
The Achaemenid empire takes control of Egypt as it did in our timeline, but this time the Athenians go to war with the Achaemenids because Egypt is an important exporter of food. The Athenians end up winning and end up conquering Egypt while they are at it. They also take part of the coast of Turkey. Some years later Macedonia (Alexander the Great is not born because of all the changes) goes to war with the achaemenids and accidentally attacks Athenian territory, thus getting in a war against the Athenians and losing, becoming a part of their empire.
300 BC:
They create Blast furnaces that allows them to manufacture better iron and steel for their weapons and armor, create rotation harvests, heavy plow, watermills, learn more about human anatomy (for example the circulation system), planispheres, they create rails (they already kinda had one in our timeline with the Diolkos road) and even invent an aelopile (though the metal is still not good enough to use it, so they start to make many factories around the empire). They also release all male slaves (ancient Greece was pretty sexist by our current standards, so the female slaves would be freed in the next century). However, even though there still be a lot of sexism, a lot of women had to work in the factories because a lot of men went to fight Rome (kinda like what happen in WWI and WWII), so it would still be better than in our timeline at the time.
They also go to war with a young Roman empire and defeats them, conquering Italy as well as the Ilyria (modern day Albania) and a bit more of what is noy Turkey. Also, they don't feel the need to fight Cartague since they don't mess with them, so the Cartague would still exist for many centuries here.
200 BC:
They finally can make metal that is good enough for the aelopile, so we start seeing steambots and steamships and even a few railroads, as well as steam shovels for construction and agriculture. This, combined with with the manufacture of better weapons and armor, allows the Athenian Empire to conquer most of the balkans (using the Danube river as a natural barrier like the Romans did in our timeline) and even France (Carthage took control of the Iberian peninsula like in our timeline, so they would defeat the Gaulish tribes and take that territory before Carthage can).
Also, they would not have gunpowder, but they would have very good crossbows and compound bows. Plus, on the american civil war, the south came up with a "steam gun" (that was more like a tank), that was pulled by horses and fired centrifugal rounds. It was not as accurate as weapons with gunpowder, but it was basic enough that one inventive athenian could make.
Because of the concept of the atom, they would start to make microscopes, though they would only be able to see a 100x, since is their first time making them, so it would still take them one or two more centuries before they can make one good enough to see the microscopic.
This would would also be the century were female slaves were freed, making slavery a thing of the past in the empire.
And that is most of what I got. Once I go further, I keep trying to consider all the changes made by the butterfly effect.
Aside from that, China would start to learn about steam technology and do research about it, a new religion would be created that united the empire that took into consideration all the changes that affected society (though I am still not sure about the details), the territory of Israel would still be a part of the Achaemenid empire (the jews would still exist in this timeline, but because the world would be different, their culture would "evolve" differently too).
The Athenians and Carthaginians would discover north america and central america respectively. The Athenians would use a river connected to the great lakes similarly to how the french did in our timeline and because of their technology, horses and weapons, they would win against the native americans (not to mentions the diseases they would bring with them). Meanwhile the Carthaginians would try make business with the mayans but would also kill a lot of them by accident because of the diseases. The old world diseases would spread to south america, killing a lot the people there and forming a new city there. And so, a new pre-incaic empire with the knowledge of the previous societies would be born.
However, after 1 or 2 centuries, and asian group of warriors similar to the Huns (but more technologically advanced) would invade Europe and a disease similar to the black plague would decimate the population of both Europe and China (Eurasia would be more connected in this timeline because of trade and war, so a plague would reach more people). Leaving the colonies in America to fend for themselves.
Thanks for asking, by the way.
@Ur Auntsvibrator That is a very good question. I don't know to be honest.
In this timeline, China would have collapsed before inventing gunpowder and without gunpowder, many societies would still need to build walls and weary of barbarians, preventing some potential inventions to be invented and information to be spread. Also, in our timeline, something as important in our recent history as antibiotics was discovered because of luck. If people in that timeline can manage to invent and discover those things (among other things like harnessing electricity or vaccines), then this world could end up advanced enough to be centuries ahead of us.
Though, that is only in terms of technology. It would also depend on ideologies and religions that this world (where Christianity and Islam would not exist) may have. In my timeline I was thinking of a religion that would stablish that technology should be made and worked on to improve the quality of life of the people. But more religions could still be formed and even then some principles may not necessarily be followed or mutate. So, all in all, whether or not this world would be "better" would ultimately depend on what ideologies and philosophers take form (as well as in which parts of the world, considering that even in our timeline some countries have it better than others).
lndus valley civilization is located in modern day Pakstan & has nothing to do with modern day lndia. Modern day lndia where 99% people don't have any concept of indoor plumbing AKA TOlLET & 95% people can't even afford a single meal a day & there's still canibaIism exists so, there's no point for this American channel to glorify lndia.
14:48 we dont know much about their cultures, but in spain there is a whole language (basque) which is preindoeuropean, and the preindoeuropean iberian language still existed when the romans conquered spain. also there are many place names in basque and basque loanwords in spanish and other romance languages. i always found it interesting because it is a small glimpse into preindoeuropean culture still alive.
Is it true that the Basque are the direct descendents of the first modern human settlers that replaced the Neanderthals in the Iberian region?
@@dozerthemongrel6630 Yes. Before the romans, the basques were probably the closest thing you would see from a old european settler.
He also ignored Nordics being mixed with I1 oldeuropeans what couldn't possibly not keep old words in that isolated parts of Europe. Also the whole premise that Indoeuropean language in European version is clean as original from steppe is stupid. PIE is a reconstruction made from comparing many later IE dialects from Europe and Asia and nobody knows if it ever existed in one form in one place.
Also he doesn't inform that there was a first wave from Kurgan culture which didn't went far from eurosteppe but reached Greece and Poland - these herders weren't adapted to nongrasslands. What moved next was already influenced by these incorporated farmers of f.e. globular amfora culture. Corded ware was a next huge wave and it wasn't only R1b haplogroup moving anymore (contained also I2) and they were going into Europe already decimated by plague. So the IE language that was invading could already be rich with new elements.
It was the same as Slavs migrating to Balcans after black death and not many Illyrian originals survived.
Every conquered ethnicity with new elite which didn't have own writing system after phase of states being built in Europe lost their original culture and was integrated by reeducation. Examples are plenty as ExSlavs in northeast Germany or Hungary, Goths in Crimea and Spain, gothic Vandals in West Slavia.
Basque is a really interesting remnant of earlier Europeans but genetically fully replaced so we don't know what ethnicity was replaced keeping older culture. From such fact somebody could claim these were different confederated nonIE speaking IE clans from steppe - how could you know if it's not like Hungarians? haha But in their case crazy thing is Basque isolation in mountains and insanely high blood rH- that causes blood conflicts and babies dying what suggests a biological mechanism that could affect translation of culture being primed for mother language & promoting maybe matriarchal type od culture.
History of Albion island is a total 90%+ replacement of earlier king-gods bloodlines. What hints things as Christians seeing Aztec rituals or Romans being shocked of Phoenician rituals - "Look these savages are more savage than us, inbreeding brothers and sisters, breeding with them may be a curse & defective".
And he also didn't mention that before IE ppl reached whole Europe people there were already wiping themselves on big scale every time bigger pots culture emerged replacing around 50% of conquered neighbours.
And we can expect strong language from earlier time only from Iberian and Balcan refugia and that's exactly where we see one older language in each left. People were scarcer in Europe earlier and farmers who emerged in bigger nrs emerged exactly the warmer south with farming technology outnumbering hunters gathers from north fast.
We usually always see something representative left from something big enough earlier by natural probability luck. Probably by luck fourth would be some remnant of these inbreeding god-kings Lang words integrated into dialects of Celtic in Scotland & Ireland.
@@ebrelus7687 Ok im probably the first person to read all this and while i didnt understand much i just gotta explain something to you.
Celtic isn't a language its a family of language. Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic are not dialects of anything they are their own languages. (though scottish gaelic comes from Irish gaelic which most scottish gaels dont even know hah)
As an Indian American I appreciate you talking about the subcontinent.
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Good morning sir
So go and watch carvaka podcast
@Safwaan Only you NRIs are obsessed with partition, nobody in India cares and have moved on. And most non-hindu "Indians" tend to hate everything about the country and find oppression, depression and what not in every little thing about India or Hindus so you are not unique
Kerala is West's gateway into India owing to tbe historic Indian Ocean spice trade. Read about Kerala, it's a very fascinating place. Despite its Hindu roots, Kerala has the oldest Christian, Islamic and Jewish communities in World. Kerala was sort of a proto globalized place long before globalization ever became a thing owing to the place being the birth place many much vaunted spices.
Yes, because ports. And it wasn't exactly harmony and all roses.
Kerala pwoli alle 🔥
@@arunjohny pwoli aayirunnu pandu but then communists took power.
Thrissur Kochi belt had some of the oldest banks in India which funded spice trade but none of the scaled up after independence because of communists. Kerala is a huge case lost potential.
@@harshjain3122 It was harmonious. Look at Syrian Christians in Kerala for example. Their cultural practices have been perfectly blended with the brahmin and Nair practices. There is practically no religious violence in Kerala.
Cochin Jews are one of the very few Jewish communities across the world where Jews have never faced persecution.
Kerala was a big deal historically. Vasco da Gama didn't sail seeking India. He came seeking Kerala because that was where black pepper originated. On that note even Columbus was seeking a route to Kerala.
@@TheRishijoesanu that's cuz indians viewed Abrahamic religions like how Nordic folk religions viewed Christianity in UK(when they invaded them) i.e As something smaller than their base identity i.e 'if my whole lineage was hindu/pagan since the beginning of it's existence how would one dip in the water remove all of that from me?'
That's the reason, and it's pan India. The feeling later went away cuz one of the two aforementioned civilization vanished and ceased existing.
And Jews are talented merchant class. We always loved intellectually talented peeps. Kerela and Bengal more so(also historically more rich, casteist)
Hey Rudyard, as an Indian, I can say that there is are indeed some inaccuracies.
1)The harrapan civilisation has more to do with local inhabitants of the indus valley than the dravidians. If you look at an ethic brahui and compare him to a tamil, he looks completely different although they are in the same language family.
2)Greeks were defeated by two rulers - pushyamitra sunga and kharavela.
Also Alexander the Great’s most powerful general, seleucus nicator was humbled by chandragupta when he tried to retake his indian territories from chandragupta.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid%E2%80%93Mauryan_war
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushyamitra_Shunga
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharavela
3) the first muslim invaders in india were the arabs, and not the turks. The arabs had some success initially but when they tried to attack deeper into india, they faced crushing defeats. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_campaigns_in_India
4) The peak of indian civilisation was the gupta empire as well when countless inventions happened. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_Empire
5) You missed out on the fact that the caste system peaked at around the medieval era and began to be destroyed by the late medieval era.
Otherwise, its a good video.
Thank you
सही कहा 👍
Greeks also defeated by satavanhas , cheras & many others
Haha! As an Indian when I see general RUclipsrs explaining about India, has flaws. This is no difference. Maybe that's why people say India is so complex to explain. Rather one should start simpler.
This is so interesting! I would love to see more on indian culture and religion, and its history and relevance today.
Better follow some better reliable source than his video.
If you want to look into the ancient Indian world and their insane architecture, check out Praveen Mohan on RUclips. His channel has some fascinating stuff.
@@reddragon100 recomend me something :p
@@agrosyntrop If you want book source, then you can refer these-
1. What Is Hinduism?: A Guide for the Global Mind- by David Frawley
2. The Rig vedic people by Dr.B.B lal
3. The Principle Upanishads by Dr Sarvopalli Radhakrishnan
4. The Discovery of India
5. Ancient India By R.S Sharma( I do not think its international version is available)
6. INDIA: A History by John Keay.
If you want to learn about Indic philosophy, politics and religion more, then-
1. Mahabharata and Gita
2. Arthashastra
3. Science and Philosophy in the Indian Buddhist Classics by Dalai Lama
There was no such a thing called lndia ever existed before 15th August' 1947.
India's political influence might've been mediocre since it was made up of fragmented kingdoms for most of its passive history BUT its religious impact was one of, if not the greatest ever
Not greater than the Abrahamic religious surely?
@@nomanor7987 That argument is kinda debatable depending on the context, Dharmic/Indian religions directly originated from India while Abrahamic religions originated from 2 different regions hence can't be attributed to a specific country
@@nomanor7987 Yes and no.
India's political influence is much greater than you portray here, you should research more
@@gm-so2ld y’all Indians need to stop making shit up to make yourself feel good
I took a course on India in college and tried to read up on it in my spare time. I was often confused by what I found and this explains alot of the gaps, namely why so much of the history is cultural/religious and not political/diplomatic like most other civilizations. Very interesting, I appreciate the effort.
This video is balant propaganda
Because of cultural and religious revolution in mediaeval period I can say!
@@prakxyzhow so?
Read Greek traveler 'Megasthenes' account of his travel to South India you will get the real rich economical and Political history of India. Most of current information is falsely translated hate propaganda by western missionaries or East Indian company terrorists who wanted to loot Indians and wrote with ulterior motives.
@@gm6393 he's very inaccurate about india here. He reads western scholars who have their own biased views regarding india without actually reading the Indian texts and this guy doesn't see it from the indian perspective. Highly biased.
I’ve always said that if Aliens were to visit earth and could only visit one country, it should be India. It has everything. Politics, religion, art, culture, music, movies, history, philosophy, sciences. And such a variety as well.
@James Bond there is infrastructure there too. Enough to show the aliens.
They would nuke Earth after that visit
@@johnblackman6523 Yeah man, after seeing what barbaric westerners did to so many beautiful cultures how can they have faith in humanity? In fact if I was an alien and I saw the history of the west I'd certainly nuke the earth out of fear of what they'd do to me when they got the chance!
Which is now being built at a really fast rate ( faster than china was building at its peak).
Uhhh, nah lol. I wouldn’t shame our planet like this. Let’s just show america to them.
Vedas established the Varna system without explicitly restricting social mobility. Later on Brahmins and Kshatriyas monopolised the argument dooming Indians for eternity.
You are absolutely right,
Caste system paralysed India. It is a major factor why Indians never broke free unlike Europe.
Loving this so far👍
Can't wait for the next one.
I know as an Indian I’m happy most Indians realize the mistakes of the caste system. Glad it’s on it way out.
Vedas didn’t establish it. Ignore the vedas. They are spiritually dangerous.
And to curb the casteism and other superstitious issues..Swami Dayanand Saraswati(if you know him) Established an Organization called Aryasamaj.
Sad but those who fight for caste system never get much attention
Example Swami Vivekananda
Swami Dayanand Saraswati
Veer Savarkar
@@theemperor3557 there is no cast system all is British propaganda
I respect India a lot more now. Due to their preservation of peoples.
>Preservation of people's?
What?
@@demun6065 4000 year native reservations thing.
They keep sub-cultures alive despite the proximity.
@@purpledevilr7463 yes, but it's via the caste system...
@@demun6065 yeah…
I can respect the results if not agree with the methodology.
@@purpledevilr7463 fair enough
This video was a painful watch because of the source material. Buddhism as Protestant Hinduism, the lack of historical stories and memes of the mythical Aryan invasion be it from the supposed invader or the indvaded, the charge of lack of literature when 99% of the known records in possession are yet to be transcribed or transliterated, the imposition of political themes be it modern India, colonial, oritentalist and panhistory. The perpetually fixed caste system. So many wrong things once you familiarise yourself within the culture. Just a personal anecdote, my Brahmin ancestry is from Haritas who was a Kshatriya who became a Brahmin. His father was "Yavanshwa"(literal translation Greek horse). My patrilineal haplogroup is L-M20 and my skin tone is wheatish while my extended family is a whole gradient between dark skinned to fair.
Thanks to the "Marxist school", India seems to be this history and context neutral ground where a hypothesis can be imposed.
Yep, rightly said bro. This guy is just spreading the false narratives written by indophobic western authors.
Indian fvck-boi spotted
This video made it pretty clear. Boo hoo cry me a river and do your own research poopskin
Half knowledge is a dangerous thing
The map you used in thumbnail certainly doesnt represent indian culture as whole !
Indian culture is not bound only to india ,
It extends in whole indian subcontinent.
However , i will edit tghs comment/post new one as per my thoughts and views(opinions) after watching full video
He is just repeating everything Western-centric scholars have already said. They know very little about Indian society, history or culture. They just see Indians as a frozen-stagnant ancient society and study us like they study the ancient greeks.
No it doesn't. In fact, the river that "India" is based off isn't even inside India, lol.
@@GrigRP If you are referring to the Indus (Sindhu) River, then you are mistaken. The river does originate in the modern-day Republic of India and flows out to the sea through the modern-day Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Neither of these two states existed back then. It was just one continuous civilization. Our native name was Bharatvarsh or Jambudvipa. Foreigners called as Al Hind, Hindusthan, India, Yindu, Tianzhu etc.
@@GrigRP It is based inside India flowing through Ladakh and Kashmir.
@@krishnkant9477 It's not based inside India. The origin is in China. Stop with the scams.
You are wrong about US and Indian reservation.
India gives reservation benefits to not only tribal people but also people from lower class.
US reservation is a small self governing territory given to native inside the country while reservation in India are entirely different thing.
Reservation in India means that government gives special percentage of reserved seats to tribals and people from lower class community in government jobs and college to help them lift up in society.
In those reserved seats, only students from that community can be present although they can claim the rest.
For example- If there are 100 seats in college where 15 seats are given to lower caste community, then those 15 seats can only have people from lower caste community meanwhile they can also be present on rest 85 as well if they score well in general category.
Reservation benefits are also given to lower caste community and tribal people in things like lower college fee, some social schemes, lower prices for forms and documents, increased age limit in applying for govt. position etc.
It is given to lift them to equal level in society and as a compensation for the hardship they faced for last 3000 years.
Yeah, right bro
@@reddragon100 I already liked it :)
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@@kkkk25yearsago79 Waiting for whom?
@@YashSharma-zp8yu Red Dragon
I had a hunch that he would comment here
After having just watched the reupload of the Southeast Asian civilization video, I didn't expect this so soon
Nice profile pic. Jossito Musstalin is based.
You called buddha a non aryan 20:28
He literally was a Kshtriya 😅
And he was from Northern India. Gained enlightenment in Bodhgya bihar India, gave first sermon in Varanasi India spent life in Shravasti india and died in India
Indian civilisation is the one in most dire need for more educational resources about it, you've made a good contribution to correcting that problem.
Bruh this video is not fact, just some ignorant european way of looking at India.
1) There is no evidence to assert that the nobles in the Indus valley civlization looked middle eastern, and the commoners were dravidian as this video insinuates. Just because america has a racial and color based hierachy does not mean that every country shares that regressive thought.
2) There is no substantial evidence to ever prove that the "aryans" invaded India and opressed the dravidians. These were theories peddled by the british empire to divide the population and create internal conflict so that people are busy fighting each other.
3) In your indic civlization. map, you show regions like afghanistan, kashmir, western pakistan as part of the middle east? guess what, these regions were present in the mauryan empire. They were in the Indic sphere of influence.
4) You mention that the Indian nationalist does not like people from lower caste?? the president of India is a tribal woman, the PM Modi is a lower caste man. This is once again, nothing more than ignorance. There are 200+ million dalits in India, do you think any political party can survive in India if it does not appeal to the masses like dalits etc?
The thing is, white people were racist toward black people. So they come to India and say, oh yeah sure, the light brown people surely opress the dark brown people.
5) You say that the mahabharata had a similar plotline to the Illiad? Well guess what 1) The mahabharata was wayyy longer than the Illiad. 2) The mahabharata was a war for the succession for the throne of Hastinapur. The Illiad was about some people stealing another man's wife, and provoking war. Where is the similarity?
Also, you say that the Bhagwad gita is similar to the bible? wtf? The bible has clear commandments, and rules for being christian. The Bhagwad gita is a philosophical discourse on the conversation between Krishna and Arjuna. It talks about the concept of dharma, or duty. It has no "commandments" about being Hindu per say.
You yourself said, you dont know much about Indian civilization. So dont peddle such nonsense without doing research.
ikr! I've seen indian comments on similar topics and the shit they write about seems like the biggest asspull to me. Something similar to how the balkans write about their countries.
He added to the problem by throwing in 19th century racial psuedoscience into it.
Correction lol ,he sounds like racist towards other civilization
Correction 🤣🤣he still beleives in Aryan picnic theory 🤣🤣.. outdated fellow
In 500 bce not only north India became Iron age civilization but South did too
Tamil kingdoms had iron age weapons in that Era too!
As an Indian, one thing I would like to point out is that the caste system wasn't a monolithic institution in Indian history.
Caste system in Ancient India, was primarily similar to the Estates System of Medieval Europe, in that, yeah much of how you would be perceived in the society would be decided by the caste system, but there was no restriction on changing jobs. We have accounts of peasants becoming nobility, Brahmins becoming merchants and whatnot. Hell, even the rulers of Nanda and Mauryan Empires, were from lower castes as is well documented.
The caste system as we know it developed in the Early Middle Ages, as the Old Gupta Empire fell into decadence and ruin. Genetic studies point out to a bottleneck in Indian genepool in 600 AD, which is exactly when the Guptas fell out of power.
Otherwise, it is a quite good and rational approach taken about. You are doing good man, and you must not fear those wretched trollers.
But Caste in India influences who you marry. This creates genetic bottlenecks .
@@nomanor7987 not if the population bred like rats. You do realize for 5k castes we have 1.7 billion people. Interbreeding and marriage within families happen but are avoided thankfully. I'm not removing the fact that the caste system WILL one day catch up to us haha, or even that its an outdated, obsolete system for the country preventing it from reaching its full potential, but ah well...
@@nomanor7987 this happened far later when the system became rigid.
@@clownsama2278 what you mean by rats, population explosion happened because of the land was fertile and we had rise to eat like china.
@@clownsama2278 also caste is nothing but a mixture of varna and jati system being misunderstood as being one. And there weren't 5k anything
As an Indian i can say....our civilizational goal is "being in a cosmic chaos and somehow go through it"...this is visible in our religion, politics, international diplomacy, thinking process, art,literature,decision making....etc....It have positives and negatives
@Whatifalthist Officials of Mauryan Bureaucracy:
1. Maha Mantrin: Prime Minister
2.Maha Amatya:
Head of Council of Ministers
3. Purohita: Chief Priest
4. Senapati: Commander In Chief
5. Yuvaraj: Crown Prince
6.Samaharta: Foreign Minister
7. Yukta: Home Secretary
8. Sulkaadhyaksha: Superintendent of tolls
9. Prashasti: Head of Prisions
10. Sannidata: Auditor General
11. Koshadhyaksha: Head of Treasury/ Finance Minister
12.Koshthagaradhyaksha: Revenue Collector
13. Nayaka: Security In Charge of the Capital
14. Vyavharika: Chief Justice of the Royal Court (Supreme Judicial Officer
15. Karmantika: Head of Industries & Factories
16. Dandapala: Head of Police
17. Durgapala: Head of Royal Fortifications
18.Annapala: Head of Food grains Department
19.Rajjukas: Officers in charge of land measurement and boundary-fixing
20. Pradeshika: District administrator
21. Akaradhyaksha: Head of Mining Department
22.Lauhadhyaksha: Head of Metallurgy Department
23. Lakshanadhyaksha: Head of the Royal Mint
24. Lavanadhyaksha: Officer of salt department
25. Swarnadhyaksha: Head of Gold Reserves
26. Ayudhadhyaksha: Weapon manufacturing & defence department
27. Kunyadhyaksha: Officer of forest
28. Panyadhyaksha: Office of commerce department
29. Manadhyaksha: Office of time & place determining
30. Sunadhyaksha: Slaughter-house officer
31. Mudradhyaksha: Officer of Royal Seals
32. Dyutadhyaksha: Head of Gambling Department
33. Naukadhyaksha: Head of Shipping
34. Pattanadhyaksha: Officer of Port
35.Pulisanj: Public relations officers
36. Pauthavadhyaksha: Superintendent of weights and measures
37. Sitaadhyaksha: Superintendent of agriculture
38. Pathadhyaksha: Officer of Royal Roads
Thank you! We should go back to using these names - they sound so cool!
Its insane how Rudyards understanding of certain issues is so sharp yet his ignorance on certain other issues is equally frightening
He mentions arthashastra and yet proceeds to say something like " Mauryans had no bureaucracy" lol
8:00 13:05 14:10 16:15 17:00 18:40 19:28 20:25 21:10 21:35 22:15 22:58 23:35 24:35 25:00 25:55
Maps go hard not gonna lie
Already commented this under another video but I think it would be interesting if you made a video about how contact with an extraterrestrial civilisation might affect human society
I think it would entirely depend on the nature of the contact and the civilization.
Would it be conquest through arms like e.g. in the Independence Day movies, conquest/near genocide through plague like in the UFO games or a peaceful contact like Vulcans landed on Earth in the Star Trek franchise?
something interesting to consider is that there might not be any extraterrestrial civilizations for a while. you have to remember that the universe is currently very young. we are orbiting a yellow star, which has a quick lifespan compared to red giants. its likely alien life will evolve on those planets orbiting red suns as they have more time to get life and make civilizations and what not.
if anything, it will likely be humans and our great great ancestors that are the ones who encounter other civilizations which would be primitive and likely in a pre industrial society
a more interesting video would be how would human nature and society react to this? would we take the darwinistic approach and say we need this planet's resources and basically become the combine from half life 2? or would be try to enlighten the civilizations and make them into a client states (or, client planet i guess)? or would we decide that we should leave the civilization alone to grow on its own?
honestly it would super interesting to see a future human race decide how to go about these differences and how we should deal with it.
it would go down the same way the colonization of the americas went down imo
It would be like Europe visiting Africa, Asia and America.
It would be like Jesus, Bhuda and A god king.
It would be like America unleashing the power of the sun.
It would be like the Mongol conquest of Eurasia.
It would be like nature channel, they watch quietly.
Read “the 3 body problem” does a good job building a world that has made contact with aliens
One thing you got wrong is : the civilization didn't move from Western to eastern India. The places like Varanasi could be much older.
9:00 yes the caste system is much more complex. However there is a lot of confusion between Varna and caste. Like how you are confusing both of them.
The image at 8:55 is the Varna system.
There are dozens if not hundreds of different caste in each Varna. Some castes even have their own Seperate language and dialects like Wadderi Or Brahmin Tamil. Caste in Indian languages means something like 'variety' or 'type'. Also caste didn't always mean social stagnation, some castes like the Gonds tho of the lower castes they had kingdoms and rulers like Rajputs. Also fun fact castes have a hierarchy within the Varna which itself is an hierarchy.
In olden times you could move your 'caste' by changing your profession however it's difficult because how can a son of a gold Smith who has learnt only gold smithing become an expert baber? All his life he has learnt to be a gold Smith how can he compete with a Barber who has been doing his job for his entire life and learnt from his father since his childhood. Also the Varna system was not as discriminatory and rigid as today.
The Varna system became rigid only after delhi sultanate bent the conquered people to do thier stuff. As a muslim he wouldn't understand the centuries of Kshatriya tradition nor would he give a shit about the local traditions. And hence the delhi sultanate just saw the profession not the people and hence the it became more stratified.
You are for the most part correct. Though the caste system has been oppressive since its inception. After the Delhi Sultanate era it became worse.
@@teehee4096 oppressive in what manner? Do you think people who clean sewage system in India today have more bargaining power than when they had the monopoly
@@teehee4096 the First Empire of India Mauryan Empire was established by Chandergupt Maurya he was from lower caste . He was selected by a High class Brahmin to teach him and help him forming Empire to Unite India . The book written by that Brahmin is still being used by Govt. Of India to from policy and for diplomacy. Chanakya Niti - by Chanakya .
The last paragragh is ridiculous, I agree it happnened.. The invader capitalised in inequality in india and did used thier power for mass religious transformation. If someone should protect thier religion the first thing to do is to hug everyone togethe and fight against the offender..Not to bring up more iron fists on lower class.
@@sigmarules9429 the idea that only Kshatriyas used to fight is ridiculously wrong. Reality is complex. Soldiers came from all sorts in castes
That thing about an iroqouis community in the city working construction is hilarious as it literally happened. Iroqouis were heavily involved in high steel construction in NYC as the skyscrapers went up, and maintained their identity doing so. The tribe has made a whole documentary about it, they're very proud of their fearless skyscraper builders.
How cool is that!
Wow, awesome
3:25
I had to pause to look at that first map, then immediately looked up "Vikramaditya Empire" and "Akhand Bharat" and wow... these nationalists go hard...
Akhand bharat was definitely a thing especially with pak afg and parts of iran not more though.
There are five Indians,
One, who will give his life on a platter if asked, the perfect soldier, who will march into the volley of cannons and Muskets, smiling and singing, who will give his life, if asked for,
The other, who will rebel and fight against the whole world, will give his life, to be free for 1 day then live his life in chains. A Perfect rebel, against the world and Society.
The third, a perfect Bureaucrat, will know the rule book better than you would.
The Fourth, The Poet, who wishes nothing of the world, and wants to be free, and just live his life the way he likes
The Fifth is the Priest, who will die rather then change the order which is already present
25:18
Correction needed.
Travancore is just a place in the south most part of India and it's not that huge, is just a tiny Kingdom back then. Kerala is also a state in the south most part (Travancore Kingdom was inside the state Kerala). They are not separate. And definitely not that long. You have drawn the Western ghuts mountain ranges lol.
hahaha thought the same. The Travancore kingdom consisted on Northern Kerala and parts of Kasargod and Tulunadu. Definitely not all the way till Gujarat 🤣🤣🤣
@@clownsama2278 dude travacore consisted of not northern but southern Kerala, the zomorins consisted of northern and some Tulu Nadu.
@@clownsama2278 the guy is eurocentric all the way.
@@dynamitebsb4520 my bad.
Been waiting for this one. He's finally done it!
I like listening to these as a introduction to a region and then find some good books on it. This is a nice summary which normally doesn't seem biased. Shout out to India from America - we should be friends
you might be glad to know that we are. for the most part at least XD
@@shimo_sama lol lets be friends ! We can trade together and stuff. Christians and Hindus should help each other and party together !
@@Ifraneljadida like I said, we are friends 😂. India and America as pretty solid geopolitical partners and we do a shit ton of trade with each other asw. Both of your major parties have a favourable view of india and the general populace here is quite enamoured with America asw. 🫂
@@shimo_sama haha hell yeah !! the general populace here in enamored with India too ! I do a ton of backpacking and there are about ten or so areas I plan on backpacking in India one day !! Very beautiful country with a ton of unique wildlife/wilderness to explore.... except the tigers/elephants scare me a bit ! Best of luck friend from Florida, USA
@@Ifraneljadida hey that's amazing to hear. Hope u have a great experience the next time u visit! Plus good luck to u guys asw with ur midterms and shit. Wishing the best for u 👍🏻
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I think you could consider the Basque peoples and some Caucuses peoples to be pre Indo-European natives that have survived.
Also Finland and Estonia
@@emilv.3693 Their language is not an Indo European language but genetically they're pretty much Indo European.
@@gerbilassassin3850 What group their languages come under?
@@YashSharma-zp8yu Uralic
@@emilv.3693 They came later. Uralic/Ugric people were true northmen but of Asia. Only Hungarians migrated closer Caucasus south.
finally the video I had been waiting so long for, saw it, clicked it, got mad at the two RUclips ads in a row, and ready to watch it, this civilisation series is probably my favorite of this channel and the India and Islam videos have been the ones I've most eagerly waited for, for quite some time now. Keep up the amazing work!
Half of the things are wrong in this video.
Just a worse decoding of Indic civilisation
@@reddragon100 here comes the nationalist he warned us about
@@PlatypusPerry- Right bro.🤣🤣
@@reddragon100 Bro you are embarrassing all Indians.
Please don't show you jingoism here.
He has made perhaps the best video on Indian Civilization without any sugar-coating and relentless propaganda, neither Anti-India nor Pro-India.
By involving in meaningless conversation, you are just proving what he said in the beginning of the video that Indian Nationalists are the most insecure and get triggered easily.
@@krishnkant9477 As soon as I seen at 3:17 , I know its western bias.
Indian nationalist are against lower or upper caste focusing on hindu unity and supported of trans-rights.
Just another bias video as usual.
Modi is not from upper caste. Do Indian nationalist not like him
I think the word "invasion" suggested some sort of centrally planned, unified military activity, there is no evidence to suggest the Aryans has anything of the sort, there may have been fighting but it was also between different Aryan tribes as well as with original inhabitants, thus the word migration makes more sense
Kinda agree with this
He is eurocentric...if there were invasion it would have been mentioned in the Vedas...vedas is actually the biography of the Aryans and how they migrated. There's no mention of war with the natives, the only war is the war of the 7 aryan tribes
@@dynamitebsb4520 Vedas are a kind of legend, a mix of both reality and fiction.
Reading Veads can help someone to get clues about the history of Indo-Aryans but it wrong to say that it is a history.
They are just like any other religious text which a a blend of myth and reality.
And Veads were composed orally in 1500 BC, but were not written as recent as 200 AD. This means for nearly 2000 years, the knowledge of Vedas was transferred orally and during such events, a lot of new cultural myths gets added up to the orally composed texts. The same case is with Mahabharata. At different points of time, we get different types of Mahabharata in which there is addition of new myths in newer Mahabharata versions.
@@krishnkant9477 haha... even the western historians themselves agree that there was oral tradition of vedas since 2nd millennium, as old as 2500 bce, especially after they found the mittani inscription in syria. It's is ordering of stanzas that took place in 1500 bce. The aryan language is transmitted sound by sound.
@@krishnkant9477 and a lot of cultural myths doesn't get added up. That's the whole point, it has a strong technique of passing of the sounds. The sounds were passed, still some of the sounds weren't decoded even today.
Just a note for clarity, at 20:23 that’s not a depiction of an Indian mystic, that’s a Byzantine icon of St Simeon the Stylite (also spelled Symeon), a Christian ascetic from the 4th century who lived atop his pillar for over 35 years as penance and, like other stylites, to separate themselves from the world in an effort to achieve a higher spiritual purity through the endured hardship.
For interested in the subject, the channel ‘harmony’ has a fantastic video on St Symeon
The way you speak your mind whilst always being mindful and respectful of the people from the culture is fantastic to see.
You're incredibly refreshing, love coming back for each upload!
He's being kindly disrespectful all way along
@@dynamitebsb4520 then cry 😂
@@dynamitebsb4520 He's the same with all cultures. He doesn't sugar coat anything.
@@nickh5081 no need to sugar coat, atleast tell the facts...illiad is written in 8BC and Mahabharata written in 1000bc, how's both written in same age. Tell things as it is.
@@dynamitebsb4520 You're reading one thing, he's reading another (or in his case, dozens of others). You think you're right, he thinks he's right. I don't care either way, but he makes well researched and interesting videos - you're just a nobody in the comment section. Personally, I tend to trust archeologists, historians, anthropologists and Paleoanthropologists rather than some local family records and/or religious texts (or wherever you're getting your information). Which do you think is more likely to be biased?
For the record, the Iliad was written closer to 800 BC, not 8 BC (that's 8th CENTURY, I think you got confused by your wiki readings) - and it's thought to be an oral story passed down from much earlier and only first written down by Homer.
Every time I think of the Indo-Aryan invasion of India, this little jingle pops into my head, "New arrivals in India! Maybe it was those horse people I was talking about, or their cousins or something... And they wrote some hymns and mantras and stuff!"
Bill Wurtz history of the world?
@@arunjohny Yes indeed.
There was no invasion it's migration.
There was no invasion, Sanskrit is an Indian language.
@@YashSharma-zp8yu denial.
I think this was the most honest attempt to portray India. Leaving few points aside. Keep going!
Out of curiosity, how is ancient India usually portrayed? Also, what points where inaccurate?
@@RealLifeIronMan I've not finished the video yet, but one glaring mistake is the name of Chnadragupta's mentor - his name was Chanakya, not whatever he said (sounded like count-chila)
Edit: he said Kautilya, I jus didn't understand the accent lol
@@RealLifeIronMan quite a few, the biggest mistake is that he's trying to understand india and our culture from a western perspective. Mostly telling what the West tells about india while here and there referencing some indian vedic texts.
@@RealLifeIronMan caste itself is misunderstood not his mistake it's misunderstood by even indians. Another mistake is about the aryan invasion stating it completely right while it's more nuanced than that because no invasion happened. More of a migration or assimilation and vedic culture originated in India.
@@Naveen-tq7cg According to wikipedia he is identified as both Chanakya and Kautilya
India is historymaxxingg
8:56 sorry massive mistake here, South India is the least castist area of India proper especially compared to North. In Tamil Nadu you literally will not encounter someone asking your caste unless it is for marriage. In the North I literally couldn't visit an apartment for rent without the landlords asking what my caste is, where my parents are from, what jobs they have, what languages can they speak. I wasn’t allowed in Gujarati Brahmin restaurants because they would ask my caste and I would refuse to answer. One of the biggest leaders in Madras state literally became a staunch supporter of dividing South India from North India because he went to North Indias holiest site and was refused entry to restaurants because he wasn't a brahmin which shocked him to his core as he never experienced this in South India. IDK where you got the completely wrong idea that caste is stricter in South India but that is a mssive mistake even historically the caste system was far more stratified in the North than the South even when North was conquered by muslims they enforced caste system harder than hindu rulers in south.
Hmmm that's kinda weird. I have travelled a lot in delhi with my friends and never experienced anything like that. Weird but sure stupidity is everywhere across India.
Yea in north when we ask for surname we say what's your cast ofc now the cast system is lost where i live and ppl Don't really care the division is based on langauge and dialects
@@KAIMA.N I think anyone who earns above rs30-40k doesn't care much about caste or discrimination. Still Idk about the future of genz urban indians.
Caste is actually the tribes and each tribes have unique gods and scriptures and history, I don't think that's going get lost.
Gujaratis refusing business because of your caste??? Utter bullshit.
In the north people a lot of people don't even ask your caste even during the wedding.
Can you do Ethiopian civilization sometime soon? I’d love to see an video on it since it is one of the oldest civilizations of Africa and isn’t as talked as much.
I swear he done Ethiopia. Was maybe in a "countries that could be super powers" or something like that
Hi
Thank you for the video
I have read studies 10-15 years ago showing the DNA analysis discrediting the Aryan invasion theory.
The DNA between north indians and south indians was extremely close whereas it was very different from current Ukrainians and other Caucasians.
In that theory, the point you noted about people not mixing up for marriage is important. Thus, the close DNA between north and south couldn't result from that.
Looking forward for the next video
wrong on many counts. There wasn't aryan invasion, the illiads are not written in the same age as Mahabharata, the Mahabharata has no resemblance to illiad, the Origin of Aryans is not Ukraine, it's sintashta, it's present day Turkmenistan Uzbekistan. The Greeks didn't invade India, they just reached like 5% of it. That too through Northern areas of present day pakistan till indus. I can point out many many wrongs. Also Buddha was born in shakya tribe , an indo aryan tribe. I can go on pointing
This is what he was talking about with extreme nationalism I guarantee these studies u talk about were done in india
@@Murthu189 yeah from what I can recall, there is some genetic affinity between the lightest-skinned jatis of northern india to europe
@@dynamitebsb4520 what does genetics says about it?
Ans If there were aryans,you wouldn't see more steppe gene in India but reality goes on evidence not on theory.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R1a_frequency_by_population
@@dharmrakshak6735 I don't know mahn...I am not expert on genetics. Maybe it's true. Let's see
It’s an entire culture built on relieving yourself outdoors for the olfactory enjoyment of others.
1800s london?
@@wtfman-k3g yeah they had bathrooms back then
@@brineonope, thames smelt so bad they had to fix it because it reached parliament
I know it isn't a huge player on the world stage, but Nepal is an incredibly interesting country with so many ties to India that are being (have been) torn away by China more recently. In a way it's a microcosm of India in the way that there are so many diverse ethnic groups and traditions, but with it's own distinct history and culture. I have a sinking feeling Nepal won't last for very long given it's current relationship with the two big neighbors, but maybe I'm off. I don't know if there's enough meat for a whatifalthist video on it, but I'd love to hear what your take on it would be. (as an edit, I love Nepal and it's people, I hope nothing happens to the country, but with so many external and internal pressures, it feels like only a matter of time).
Nepal and India are like Austria and Germany. Both have the same culture and language but different countries.
@@gocool_2.0 Definitely different countries, but the Nepal terai and the Nepal hills are wildly different culturally. The Nepal terai shares a lot more with India with large Maithili and Hindi speaking populations, strong Hindu traditions and obviously easy historical access from India since it's all flat. The hills have historically had a distinct cultural identity with many more isolated groups and languages (Limbu, Newari, Magar, Rai, etc.)
@@gonegoro makes sense. The border of tibetan and the Indic folks.
Nepali king wanted to be part of india but indian PM refused nepal is india in every aspect but the difference is it was never conquered by British but instead became an independent vessel state
Nepal is a cool country where Buddhism came from and many great people and monuments.
I am an Indian nationalist and I liked this video. Not all of us are angry, internet haters who insult everyone who criticizes the country. And certainly many of us are willing to accept criticism against the current government and the Prime Minister in general.
What all Indian nationalists do get upset about is when India, the country itself, is insulted or disrespected in some way or another.
would give this video 7/10 stars.
3 Stars for getting the basic history correct. It's pretty much the same history which is taught in Indian school books. Problem is that that history has several inaccuracies, mainly due to it being written by leftist, Marxist historians in India. India has had left of Centre governments in power which have influenced education in India.
For example the Aryan invasion theory and the history of caste has been challenged by conservative, right wing historians in recent times. I'm not saying you should take a side but give the audience information on both arguments. Still, it is a good introduction for foreigners as to Indian history.
2 Stars for the religion, you've explained the Hinduism and Buddhism quite well. But it lacked depth.
2 Stars for your sociological analysis in which you've explained the interactions between different groups quite well. You've explained well how Indian society has dominated the political systems.
I am eager to see the next part.
Are there any videos on youtube that explain the different theiry on the aryan invasions and caste system?
It's all wrong in many ways, there want any invasion, the illiad is not similar to Mahabharata and is centuries older than illiad, the sintashta culture the origin of aryans is not Ukraine, it's present day Turkmenistan Uzbekistan, but again they could go from IVC to there and come back.
@@ceejay1476 askabhijit...u can see his videos. There's a channel called AskAbhijit
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Set comments to most recent for hordes of Indian nationalists condemning history as coloniser propaganda.
a couple are saying its fake news too, this isnt news lmao
@@tysonwastaken
Ive argued with many Indian nationalists online and its impossible to persuade them to not to believe that Britain is the cause for all their problems.
You can try to build common ground by admitting many of the wrong thing they did but even then they wont acknowledge Britain did good things too.
They say things like, "All the European monuments and cathedrals are products of stealing from countries like India and colonialism" but refuse to accept that the most iconic Indian building, the Taj Mahal, was literally built by slave labour, which isn't the case for European 18-19th century monuments.
They don't know or don't care about the massive damage Muslim invasions did to the land but only focus on European colonialism, i think its because they believe they can pressure reparations from guilty western countries whereas muslim countries don't care about historical genocide and plundering of non-believers.
I know its hilarious.
I would think Indian civilization is both the best and worst mankind has to offer on a macro-cultural-societal sense. It's old as time itself, being possibly the oldest of all civilizations, combing urban, tribal, and hunter gatherer elements into a beautiful patchwork that forms the basis of the entire civilization. And throughout most of it's history, it managed to be both big, wealthy, and pompous, yet somehow quiet and out of view. It is a beautiful stained glass window, constantly being added and rarely subtracted from to create a true gradient of all colors of mankind. However that comes at great cost, a caste system that has cause countless tears, and oppressive government after weak administration that cannot prevent this.
Honestly one of my favorite regions on Earth.
The caste system is an EXTREMELY misunderstood concept. There was no concept of "caste" in ancient India as such, rather the earliest foundational compositions of Hinduism only mention that labour and job roles are divided and it is best if everyone does their job to the best of their ability. There are many excerpts to show that "caste" was flexible (like changing a job.) and that there was no actual hierarchy between the castes. Even when Xuanzhang visited India in the 5th century, he was surprised at how equal and free the society was compared to his Chinese homeland, where slavery and oppressive laws were the norm. Castes in the form they existed later on were due to the actions of some in the scholar/priests community (who changed religious compositions to suit them as they were the most literate) and due to formalisation of the system under the British. Based on the original scriptures, varna is your job.
As for "oppressive government", please go to India and see how "oppressive" they are. The western media is a joke when it comes to propaganda. Don't forget that the ideology of the government aims to unite all the indigenous religions of India as one people regardless of "caste".
India was the most influential country in the world before industrialization, so I wouldn’t say it was “out of view”, only out of view from the viewpoint of Europe. Even then, india had the most effect on europe out of any Asian country east of Iran. Also, caste system did not become rigid and as oppressive until recently due to incredible societal pressures such as Turkish invasions in 1300s and European rule in 1800s. But other than that, india actually had the most equal major society in the world, in fact lords in india weren’t even owners of peasants, but just tax collectors while peasants usually owned their own land. This caste system was detrimental to society nonetheless though, and is the reason for the downfall of india from great power status
@@zuesmaya8167 The more I read the comments of these misunderstood people. The more I realise that WiAH hasn't done a great job here
Watch:
Top TEN Misconceptions about HINDUISM
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Which country you are from? Love from India.
I just got assigned a project in school to do a presentation about Indian culture, thank you for saving me a 6 hour research session
this is not a good source
Only if your teacher has no knowledge of Indian culture or history would you use this guy as a source 😅
Only if your teacher do not know about Indic civilisation, then use it
Which country you are from?
@@jordanazevedo5688 Are you from India?
having read Indian history this video is very well made . keep it up
China and India remind me of the Greeks and the Romans. China is like the Romans because their strength is from their political power through imperialism. India is like Ancient Greece because that’s where a lot of culture and ideas came from that ended up influencing the rest of the continent.
India used to have more strength and power than china in ancient times...though no wars were fought cause we had Tibet as the border not china...not today not in future
It's opposite, greeks are like indians and Chinese like roman, you people tend to forget indians and Chinese civilizations and cultures are older. Also india was more influential before china.
@@mtk3755 It doesn’t matter what order I say it in. Both are mutually like the other.
Which country you are from? Love from India.
12:30 what’s somewhat interesting about the Cast system, is that there was some sort of social mobility through the casts through reincarnation. If one fulfilled their role well enough, they would be born into a better class next life.
Or so they believed, the level of restrictions a person faced just by being born to a certain caste is abhorrent. Your caste governs what you wear, eat, what job you get, whom you're gonna marry .
So there wasn't social mobility.
Without any evidence for reincarnation it means nothing.
The caste system started to bcom rigid in 600th century AD and historians and anthropologist don't know why they started ... many will say it was Manusmriti but Smriti means recollection in Sanskrit but our scolars only followed Shashtras and Samhitas ... so I don't know why our ancestors stared that dumb thing bcoz it's also created a genetic stratification when u just married people from your own caste lmao when I just think about it I always laugh so hard 😂 🤣
@ yes, like slavery but more effective.
Think relative to the time and understand how much more efficient it is in terms of specialisation of occupation across generations and lastly maintaining the cultural individuality....which was a question I had since a long time.
It's as simple as picking your poison.
No cultural individuality, homogeneous society or all this. I would have chosen the former(cuz I believe homogeneous societies likes of Norwegian and Japan, south korea are really the best. And they are sorta the best) but the people back then(a lot of them, cuz people did follow it ultimately despite the priest class being the smaller demography) chose the latter with democracy.
nooo varna system =/= caste system
’NATURE’ A scientific journal has done a research of now dried river Saraswati in that they found out it started to dry down in 6000 bc .
So the last time Saraswati river was in full force was about 8000 years ago.
Interestingly in the RIG VEDA it is clearly mentioned the Saraswati river is a big river and mother of floods.
So clearly Hinduism and the Sanskrit language is at least 8000 years old.
As an Indian after watching this video, I have concluded that this is more of white propaganda video without historical records sponsored by vastest interest group.
Fun Fact, Im an Indian Nationalist, Im Bengali, Im Hindu and Im Gay ..... The Starter Pack for Indian Nationalist would be same as showing a European - Nazi Flag, Denying Holocaust, among others, Personally I can say Hinduism is one of the only religions that accept Diverse Sexuality but also venerate then, hence you would find the same sense of similarity in Thailand which is also part of the Indosphere following Dharmic Religions - Nepal being another one and Singapore joining recently.
My man i respect you being nationalist and a proud person but this guy is spreading misinformation about Aryan invasion and soo on so better do research of you're own
@@deku006 True
@@deku006 Aryan invasion is a Myth unless one thinks 3 to 4 centuries of migration would be considered as an invasion. DNA tests are proving that
Ew
Getting curried away there my guy.
The History of India Podcast is a deep dive worth listening to for anyone looking to occupy your ears for 100s of hours
But this is not the final authority on almost all the points he touched upon. This is merely his opinion based on the study he did. Please keep an open mind if in future alternative opinions can debunk any of the points propagated in this video.
Damn I'm surprised to find another chad THOIP enjoyer like myself here 😌
Yeah from arts, crafts, textiles, monuments, buildings, statues, temples, palaces, tombs fortresses, castles, shrines, pyramids, and other parts of Desi history is fantastical
He is basically insulting Indian history in such derogatory way and you are blind to not see that. Wah.
Great video! I would only like to point out that the Basque countries and Sardinia were relatively left out from the Indo-European invasions, at least from a linguistic point of view, and although Sardinia now has been long latinized the majority of the place names and a lot of plant names and other words are infact pre-Indo-European, being the Nuragic civilisation probably founded by the descendants of the European neolithic farmers.
Thanks for posting that.
Beyond informing us you inspire us to learn more. Thanks, Whatifaltist
This channel is insane. I literally have to put off watching these videos for a few days until I have 100% focus/free time, or else I miss all the juicy details. There's no watching 'WhatIfAltHist' while cooking dinner, for example, as there is with other RUclipsrs... Because ever second is jam-packed with fascinating info.
Tried to get my mates into this channel, but they're too stupid to appreciate the genius of Rudyard.
Can you analyse the Faroe Islands, the most powerful country that has ever existed in the history of the galaxy
this but unironically
They have very high fertiltiy with 2.3
Praise Faroe
@@greenpill9567 their population will be 2.3 billion in 2100
@@greenpill9567 why is fertility rate important
I am an Indian. My thoughts, India is a capable of being a mother to the world. The reason is her culture. Yaadhum oore yaavarum kelir (Tamil) translates to all cities are my city and all people are my relatives. It has a huge heart. The compassion , openness, magnanimity is in the dna. One example is how India shared it covid vaccine with smaller countries who can’t do much to support India politically. India is inherently less biased, secular, tolerant towards different people. Muslims here are the most peaceful and happy here. Now the downside is India needs some time to bounce back economically as UK looted all the wealth. The other thing is India has to become clean 🧼. It will take another 50 years it sure will.
Much better title would be ‘ History of North Indian Civilisation’ .However these videos are the most comprehensive and accurate independent observation on Indian history, mostly .
It's not even accurate 😂 why are you wasting your time
@@deku006its pretty damn accurate. About north india. He didnt consider south india as a seperate entity., as in reality history of south india is different.
@ᗩTTᖇI ДΓΓЯI This guy said mostly about history of North India., thats what I meant.
@@sigmarules9429 there was no Aryan invasion ☠️☠️ it's been proven
@@sigmarules9429 YK south indian and north indian have same paternal DNA
The cast even matters in business, as a marwari myself, I know that marwaris are more likely to trust other marwaris and gujraties when when doing business with them specially when you are working on credit, both these communities have been treaders for centuries.
That’s called casteism
Are you from Rajasthan?
@@YashSharma-zp8yu yes
Marwari and Gujaratis are ethnicities, not caste. You have Gujaratis of all castes
@@03.achyuthans39No, these are languages not ethnicities. Ethnicities are Jaat, Memon, Lohana, Bhil, Meena etc
India is the country where gene editing and embryo selection, particularly gene editing for higher intelligence, has the most widespread support. This could have massive long-term implications. It's possible that in the future, the majority of geniuses will be Indian. Having a large high IQ population could result in India generating massive amounts of science and technology, as well as generating plenty of soft power and making the country more efficiently run in general.
I still doubt such future for next 50 years as a small strata of people can afford gene editing if it is possible.
Moreover we produce a lot of intelligent people but if the education system and economic laws still suck then they will leave for America. Thus, we will still have a brain drain.
Gene editing is evolution of selective breeding commonly applied domestic animals and plants for thousands of years. This allowed humanity to transcend the stone age and limits of imposed by nature. In India the caste system and arranged marriage was attempt to do the same with humans and domestic the human nature itself. People can say what want about India, but culturally it's quite stable, if not set it's ways and admittedly very toxic for those at the bottom. As the video states it's why all the splinter religions and foreign religions/philosophy rapidly spread or were adopted. This is something people all over the world should pause to consider when aggressively pushing top social down pressure on those on which society stands... It shouldn't be any surprise that a people who see selective breeding as way of life, when it's tied to their lively hoods and very life trajectory, would see virtue in such technologies. Although this is also probably making people blind to the downsides as they are with the caste system of which the conquences of such it cannot fully reconcile today.
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@@Not-Ap caste system has largely disappeared in India in occupation but yeah, it exists in marriages
That’s not true at all, and you’re using a fallacy equating intelligence to iq. Most likely, using genetic editing to increase people’s iqs won’t do jack, and in fact would worsen society because of the broader societal implications. Just look at Pakistan, they have an iq 40 points higher than india but are a complete shit hole even compared to india
I've been waiting so long for this...
Thank you Whatifalthist
Your videos on culture are so well done and insightful. I learn so much every time I watch. Thank you
He's trash.
@@karanvarma4843 be nice :(
Also your comment about Indian nationalists being the most unhinged in the world- I want to point out one very important thing. My opinion is that Indian nationalists are Indians who see our religion, our society and our history through western lenses and ideas of community, of religion and of nationalism. As you pointed out in your video, the keywords to understand India are dazzling amounts of diversity, a co-existence, an accommodation for every kind of idea and culture....a concept of God which does not bother about conversions or religious wars or of an exclusive God. The Indian nationalists go exactly against this most Indian of ideas and want to impose on India and Hinduism a kind of uniformity, a strait-jacketed identity of the kind that has existed in ideas of nationhood and community in the west ... they espouse these ideals which in fact are the exact opposite of what Hinduism and India have always been....In a nutshell, they are perhaps Indians reacting to modernity and modernist ideas....looking at India through a western, Christian/Islamic way of thinking and feeling ashamed...their ideas are such 2nd rate copy of western ideas that its almost laughable
In addition, just as with Germany in the 2 world wars...most of these nationalists are insecure about their history,.....they have a chip on their shoulder and want to re-write our history which seems shameful to them....they read our history in terms of emperors and kings having unitary Hindu identities or Muslim identities when in fact even Hinduism has at least 8 completely divergent well-worked out philosophies (including atheist schools of thought) within it and 100s of different manifestations in terms of local practices...we do not have one single holy book like the Bible or Quran...and yet the Hindu nationalists wet dream is to impose on us all a single, glorious Hindu identity....
My dude the situation this country is going through we definitely need some uniformity and nationhood. Or else we'll separate in fragments like europe has. Learn from your past mistakes there's a reason brits and turks controlled our subcontinent. Also with Abrahamic religions trying to impose over brahmic religions you need some uniformity.
@@mtk3755 Exactly!
I have to agree with the fact that India must be a very Creative country as its a region ruled by culture and not by state.
China always feels like an Ant colony but India feels like a colony of Bees!
This is also the reason why India protest the most compared to Chinese who are more loyal to state
@@reddragon100 Yup agreed !! And hence it even though creates some cool invention but is way backward compared to China😂!
I always see Indians and Russians in same category - both have huge potential but they are so chaotic to even implement them.
And ultimately China and US always have the upper hand!
What's the difference between Ant colony and colony of Bees?
@@YashSharma-zp8yu one produces sweet honey, the other raids and expands till Queen is alive.
Go complete your high school dumb-a**!!
@@christopherpetrov2355 Bro you are right. The chaos of India always keeps it backwards.
I would say while in Europe, there is barely any culture or mythology left over of the pre-Indo-European cultures, there is one place where some of it seems to have been left. The Norse mythology has two distinct set of gods, ones being the patriarchal warlike Aesir, and the other being the matriarchal magical Vanir, where the theory is that the Vanir represented the gods and people of the pre-Indo-European tribes living in Scandinavia and the Aesir representing the Indo-European peoples.
Yes aesir=asura ,Vanir= deva
Nice. But if oldeuropean I1 was matriarchal than it came from South farming communities and should have original equivalent in Basque or in Illyrian balcans. These people on North were scarce since glaciation just went away and there wasn't land to farm there, so no big communities would spawn especially in cold isolated places.
Hunters, physical providers and fighters aren't building matriarchal cultures at all. No warrior will accept being led by woman to battle except if it's total teocracy with a witch leading. but it would be already complex religious system where food isn't scarce and people can afford wasting time for cults customs and shit instead of foraging.
The oldest cult in Europe was a Lionman 30000 yo?
@@dharmrakshak6735 He is talking about old Europeans before Indoeuropeans came there and mixed. Brahmins are R1a genes Those were I1 lol
What's your source for the caste system being stronger in South India than North India? (8:50) The reading I've done suggests the opposite, and I've also visited both regions and have noticed caste being markedly more important in the north. I'd also argue you're attributing way too much to the caste system, both in its contribution to the modern stability of India and to it holding India back in terms of social advancement. I'd argue the same for how you suggest Indian culture influenced its history and state-building processes. I think a more plausible explanation involves to the density of India throughout history. India is far denser than the three other Afro-Eurasian civilization groups you define, and as a result of that, diverse cultural groups are of equivalent population in India compared to the rest, but are much smaller in geographic size. This makes conquest and empire building easy. Empires can hold the same size as equivalent Chinese dynasties, European kingdoms, or Middle Eastern/North African states, but that equivalent size means a much larger cultural diversity. Such diversity makes a larger, unified state much easy to create but hard to maintain, and results in more feudal and more weak control. This naturally leads to their collapse. I think this is a more reasonable justification for why empires like Maurya never reached the longevity or apparatus of power that their Roman and Han counterparts reached. (And for the caste system, while it did hinder things like meritocracy and natural love, this is the norm for human civilizations. I doubt the caste system was any more detrimental than feudal or monarchical structures in Europe or the system of dynasties in China.)
as an indian, i approve of this video
The Germanic people believed in reincarnation as said by Tacitus, while earlier Norse texts reflect a belief in reincarnation as well but as the Norse urbanised they forgot their culture (they went from having religious leaders for smaller tribes of 50 to a religious leader for 5000 in a town, the medieval warm period did a lot for population growth) where a belief in Valhalla comes later in the period most likely influenced by Christianity. Likewise there does exist reincarnation in Greek myth too.
Maybe it was part of the original Indo- Europeans. I never heard of any other civilizations believing in reincarnation, though. Curious on the source for that one...
@@demun6065 you can look at the writings of Plato who wrote about reincarnation in the Republic. Early Christians like Origen of Alexandria also believed in reincarnation. Later Christianity really did a cultural genocide of European beliefs and reincarnation was considered a heresy. The reason you haven’t heard of reincarnation in European belief systems is because pro Christian biases are so normalized in our society.
Provide source for such belief by Germanic people. There is probably concept of partial reincarnation as IE people had concept of few parts of soul one being immortal. There were stories about Celts borrowing money to give back in next life but there is no certainty if they really ment rebirth or the afterlife. There was also a totemic/clan soul. There was also mortal fleshly soul that died with person.
IE believes were hardcore based on cult of heroes. These heroes and chieftains were later deified creating basis for pantheon.
And that's true Viking beliefs as being very late were modified and even affected by people who visited Rome before it's falling. There were also some hunnic immigrants to Scandinavia. But majority of their beliefs were old and they were surrounded by other IE people entirely... so you could rather expect the most conservative versions preserved there. The last stop on IE (Corded ware culture) conquer of Europe path was Frisia, later from this center they sailed to British Islands and wiped. In Frisia and Holland are still concentrated the tallest Europeans and there were breed the high load horses for medieval iron knights.
Selection for promoted physical traits is typically IE thing, they even selected cattle to create white horses in cult considered sacred and related to King. While black horses were related to underworld. They even modified own phenotype because original Yamnaya people had darker skin, eyes and hair. But there were later similar practices in Asia as one chieftain only accepting children with the same 6 fingers as him. Steppe custom was also modifying scull shapes.
And you are right we miss the old realities & proportions. Like in Bible where Israel was conquering kingdom afer kingdom when in reality these was simple villages with their chieftains being called Kings 😂