I’m black but I wish I could have a Native American teach me weapon making. I tought myself how to flintknap and make bows and arrows knives tomahawks ect, but it’s never a bad thing to have a professional watching over you.
My grandfather had a bow and arrows like those. 1890 he was born. He taught me to shoot when I was very young. My uncle took the bow. I got the tube of arrows and kit of turkey feathers. Pitch, sinew and tips. I made arrows until they were gone. He had me hold the bow at an extreme angle and pinch the arrow to hold it against the wood.
Your a very well spoken man. It is really nice that you have a passion to learn and practice your native traditions and keep them alive. Just subscribed, can't wait to watch more. My family history is not native but dates back to 1620 on my mother's side and 1675 on my father's. My mother's ancestors lived in Harlem New York they were Dutch. Eventually moved to Kingston New York. My father's ancestors came from France as religious refugees and were welcomed by the Esopus Indians. 2 of my Great Grandfathers were among 10 other men who purchased 40,000 acres from the Esopus. They founded New Paltz New York, they were Huguenot's. They lived and traded peacefully for over 100 years. I know my ancestors would not have survived without the help of the native people. On behalf of my family I would like to say thank you to all the native tribes and their people who welcomed the Europeans. Tragically the Native Indians were betrayed many times by the Europeans and I would also like to apologize for their ignorance. Great channel, I love to bow hunt. I live out West and I built an Yew longbow. It grows on the coast here. I know that black locust is a super strong rot resistant wood. I didn't know it's also a bow wood. Looking forward to building a self bow in the traditional style.
Thank you for your videos man, I'm a descendants of Ojibwe Chippewa ND. it's hard to find anyone to show how to do things. It's nice to see you do what you do and have a want to show your knowledge of your tribe keep up the great work.
This is a really excellent video. A youtube gem. Thx. I would really like to have one of your black locust bows, only about a 35 pounder though. Back in the midwest, there was a big old black locust tree growing in one corner of our yard. Wonderful tree. Fragrant blossoms, statuesque form, nice leaves, and after a summer storm, often there would be a fallen branch or two to burn in the woodstove. Great firewood. About the bows you showed in this vid--I have made only one bow and it was out of California bay laurel. It was a handled bow, so the width of the bow was definitely not largest through the handle area. I find I can't shoot a bow like that very well, so I reduced the width through the handle gradually and enlarged the thickness of the bow to compensate for the reduction in width. This resulted in basically the same strength through the handle region. It shot well but eventually broke because I overdrew the bow and it broke through one of the limbs near the end. Anyway, you must have a website? And one final thing--I'm an amateur botanist outdoorsperson specializing in trees/wood. My understanding is that ash may be headed for near extinction because of some disease. So if you can find good ash, maybe someday those bows will be a premium.
Will you be making a fallow up video soon? Just started building north eastern style white wood bows, would really like to see how you go about making these bows step by step.
You should make a build along when you get time I'm having a hard time chasing rings and I need some know how on black locust I usually use hickory but I wanna make them as fast as possible I feel like you have alot of knowledge that should be shared
Thanks for the video Talon. I live in central pa and recently started making board bows. Just harvested my first black locust tree for my 1st self bow. I found a good straight one about 14” diameter. Bigger than what you like. I wish I would have seen your video first. I ended up with 3-6 foot logs and split out 14 good staves. I also removed the bark. Dumb idea. I didn’t know. But I should end up with a good selfbow by years end. Thanks
I can't thank you enough for your contribution. Much respect 🤘. I'm working on my first bow now. Can I get away with a void in the back of the bow if I rawhide back it (small a few inch long groove to the ring below, feathered out with a scraper). Or should I rechase the whole ring? The bow is mostly roughed out at this point
I have been making bows for a while but living in northeast georgia I have access to mostly hickory. Works pretty well with a deep heat treating over hot coals but Osage or locust would be better if I could get them but locally just not an option.
Do you think the groove on the black palm bow was because pith was dug out? Reason I ask is on even whitewood bows if it's from a smaller diameter stave alot of times you will see the pith running down the belly. It does nothing as it has no strength to it. So it could be removed with no Ill effect. I'm right with you on black locust being a great or favorite bow wood. It taught tg me to tiller. You dont get away with bad tillering with licust
No you certainly don't! It'll teach you what you're doing wrong for sure. As far as the black palm bows, it seems to be a regional style, I've been talking with someone from the tribes down there and that's what they told me, reducing weight without messing up tiller, and a place for thumb to sit.
You do amazing work. Im an amateur and only make bows for myself and friends...dont sell. But i like hickory for my area and can regularly get 50# draws
Try fire hardening some bows. I have fire hardened some hickory and elm bows. They take almost no set and are strong. Cook them the belly sides full length over a long set of coals for an hour or so or more. so. Darkened or cooked half way through seems ideal. Completely changes the bow into a next level.
Thanks! You can use a few different profiles for locust, it depends on the draw weight. Under 50 lbs, you can go pretty narrow, but heavier bows need to be wider to accommodate the stress on the belly. Black locust doesnt act like a white wood. It is SUPER hard. More than likely ignites going to break, it's going to be the belly, because its slightly weak in compression
Whoops! Didnt see that you said HONEY locust. Yes treat it like a sap wood, and as a matter of fact, use honey locust sap wood, wider flatbow with narrow tips, reflexes over the whole length to eliminate set, should be good!
I absolutly share with you the idea that food sovereignty for the original cultures MUST also include game consumption. In my personal opinion, and I am no expert ecologist, is that the native communities should depend less in livestock and more in wild game. If the right to nourish on wild game is to be recognized, this would also lead into more effords for re-introducing species that had long ago desappeared in areas of not just the US, but also from the entirety of the Americas. This is a very interesting topic, I myself am not native american, you may call me a "white", but still we're all human beings, and food sovereignty is for every single human in this planet, regardless of culture. Every tribe, family, and ultimately every single individual must have the right to sustain himself or herself via resources that the land provides, and show that they can be free and independent from markets and comercially produced goods. Greetings from Paraguay!
@mike d your initiative is awesome! It's true that most people forgot why do forests are for in thr first place! And I think is a major worldwide issue. Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro literally sees the Amazonian rainforest as a wasteland, and Paraguayan chaco has been in 2018 among the places that more biomass has lost in the world, and it's for the same reason. In Argentina a national park was created through buying of land, and many of the previous owners of the patches purchased saw what they were doing, they got genuinely disappointed; to them it was a waste of "productive land" to keep trees and wildlife, instead of bringing cattle and deforesting. So the core issue is our mindset. We believe that the land must be "productive", and productive means over-grazing, over-farming, and deforestation. While this thinking doesn't change, we will still be killing our nature. Once again, thanks for what you are doing! Every single piece of land you save, whether is forest, rainforest, or even desert, you are saving the world.
@mike d sadly humans are pretty much "extinct in the wild", we've been self domesticated, and just like we want wild animals back in nature, we need ourselves back in nature! Hopefully one day I could start doing exactly what you are, brother!
Hickory is a great wood IF you fire harden it. Then it becomes a first class wood. Some have said it equals or surpasses osage after that. Just mentioning.
I've made one yew bow, It took me a over a year to build from cutting drying only ax rasp was used ,It has lot of curves and nodes ,from Pacific northwest, I'm makeing now a other larger 6 foot yew bow,
@@talonsilverhorn8041 That sounds awesome, I've heard of a tribe using deer antler Warhammer like picks for mele purposes which are similar to the European Warhammer. Do you know anything about those?
yeah man it is hard to find out elders here in canada. I think like you, I am picking this up, I live manitoulin island, best woods. black ash, red oak n maple. We do not have anyone that knows knows how to make them. I was told how to do make our ojibway Odawa language that i don’t speak so i had translator. this tree we were given by creator through fasting. it is difficult as most traditional people do not write things down, language etc. I am applying to do this full time, any help or direction to good links or people in canada
Have you gotten to handle many original bows from down your way? What was the typical draw weight? I think there is mention of natives who encountered De Soto, their bows supposedly being very powerful. Penetrating some pieces of Spanish armour????? Here just found this (these) account(s).....Natives using their archery skills on De Soto's bunch...thenewworld.us/floridas-native-american-archers/
hey man yeah it’s all bull crap, u can’t lose something that was given to a people, the creator is the original source. All we have to do is die(fast) for what we think is lost, prolly won’t get what your asking for but given something else. I liked the talk your talking, , I am trying to start a business selling bows but realize that that’s not gonna be enough. If there is advice you could talk to me about or just talk to another neech(friend). on me n I’d really appreciate it.
I’m black but I wish I could have a Native American teach me weapon making. I tought myself how to flintknap and make bows and arrows knives tomahawks ect, but it’s never a bad thing to have a professional watching over you.
Thanks for making these videos. I was always interested in learning about your culture and in bow making.
My grandfather had a bow and arrows like those. 1890 he was born. He taught me to shoot when I was very young. My uncle took the bow. I got the tube of arrows and kit of turkey feathers. Pitch, sinew and tips. I made arrows until they were gone. He had me hold the bow at an extreme angle and pinch the arrow to hold it against the wood.
Your a very well spoken man. It is really nice that you have a passion to learn and practice your native traditions and keep them alive. Just subscribed, can't wait to watch more. My family history is not native but dates back to 1620 on my mother's side and 1675 on my father's. My mother's ancestors lived in Harlem New York they were Dutch. Eventually moved to Kingston New York. My father's ancestors came from France as religious refugees and were welcomed by the Esopus Indians. 2 of my Great Grandfathers were among 10 other men who purchased 40,000 acres from the Esopus. They founded New Paltz New York, they were Huguenot's. They lived and traded peacefully for over 100 years. I know my ancestors would not have survived without the help of the native people. On behalf of my family I would like to say thank you to all the native tribes and their people who welcomed the Europeans. Tragically the Native Indians were betrayed many times by the Europeans and I would also like to apologize for their ignorance. Great channel, I love to bow hunt. I live out West and I built an Yew longbow. It grows on the coast here. I know that black locust is a super strong rot resistant wood. I didn't know it's also a bow wood. Looking forward to building a self bow in the traditional style.
Oshta on that black locust. Those are good good bows and it takes a good bow maker to make one!
Thank you for your videos man, I'm a descendants of Ojibwe Chippewa ND. it's hard to find anyone to show how to do things. It's nice to see you do what you do and have a want to show your knowledge of your tribe keep up the great work.
Enjoyed the video very much and I agree with the views you expressed. Keep up the good work.
This is a really excellent video. A youtube gem. Thx. I would really like to have one of your black locust bows, only about a 35 pounder though. Back in the midwest, there was a big old black locust tree growing in one corner of our yard. Wonderful tree. Fragrant blossoms, statuesque form, nice leaves, and after a summer storm, often there would be a fallen branch or two to burn in the woodstove. Great firewood. About the bows you showed in this vid--I have made only one bow and it was out of California bay laurel. It was a handled bow, so the width of the bow was definitely not largest through the handle area. I find I can't shoot a bow like that very well, so I reduced the width through the handle gradually and enlarged the thickness of the bow to compensate for the reduction in width. This resulted in basically the same strength through the handle region. It shot well but eventually broke because I overdrew the bow and it broke through one of the limbs near the end. Anyway, you must have a website? And one final thing--I'm an amateur botanist outdoorsperson specializing in trees/wood. My understanding is that ash may be headed for near extinction because of some disease. So if you can find good ash, maybe someday those bows will be a premium.
Thank you so much! If you would like to order a bow I can give you my email! Talonsilverhorn@gmail.com
Interesting video. Black Locust is really invasive here in Europe, at least in our forest. Sad to hear that it´s dying out over there.
Great video, cant wait until the next one :)
Very informal man, thank you! I'm workin on finding a tree for my first bow.
Will you be making a fallow up video soon? Just started building north eastern style white wood bows, would really like to see how you go about making these bows step by step.
You should make a build along when you get time I'm having a hard time chasing rings and I need some know how on black locust I usually use hickory but I wanna make them as fast as possible I feel like you have alot of knowledge that should be shared
I'm also the only person I know that makes bows
Nice Bow.. Bro... Thanks
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Thanks for the video Talon. I live in central pa and recently started making board bows. Just harvested my first black locust tree for my 1st self bow. I found a good straight one about 14” diameter. Bigger than what you like. I wish I would have seen your video first. I ended up with 3-6 foot logs and split out 14 good staves. I also removed the bark. Dumb idea. I didn’t know. But I should end up with a good selfbow by years end. Thanks
Hey thanks! Black locust is my favorite, and I hope your bows come out great!
proud of you young man
I can't thank you enough for your contribution. Much respect 🤘.
I'm working on my first bow now. Can I get away with a void in the back of the bow if I rawhide back it (small a few inch long groove to the ring below, feathered out with a scraper). Or should I rechase the whole ring? The bow is mostly roughed out at this point
Really cool video! My first bow was Red Oak. (I made if from a board.) It was okay for a first attempt. I'm gonna try hickory on my next one.
I have been making bows for a while but living in northeast georgia I have access to mostly hickory. Works pretty well with a deep heat treating over hot coals but Osage or locust would be better if I could get them but locally just not an option.
Good stuff Brother thanks 😎👍🔥💯🏹
Do you think the groove on the black palm bow was because pith was dug out? Reason I ask is on even whitewood bows if it's from a smaller diameter stave alot of times you will see the pith running down the belly. It does nothing as it has no strength to it. So it could be removed with no Ill effect. I'm right with you on black locust being a great or favorite bow wood. It taught tg me to tiller. You dont get away with bad tillering with licust
No you certainly don't! It'll teach you what you're doing wrong for sure.
As far as the black palm bows, it seems to be a regional style, I've been talking with someone from the tribes down there and that's what they told me, reducing weight without messing up tiller, and a place for thumb to sit.
Is that next part coming soon? I just harvested some hickory staves!! Keep it up Talon! Kutaputush! (Thank you in Pequot)
You do amazing work. Im an amateur and only make bows for myself and friends...dont sell. But i like hickory for my area and can regularly get 50# draws
Try fire hardening some bows. I have fire hardened some hickory and elm bows. They take almost no set and are strong. Cook them the belly sides full length over a long set of coals for an hour or so or more. so. Darkened or cooked half way through seems ideal. Completely changes the bow into a next level.
impressive video, I have a channel too which got me into bow making and I found your channel, just subbed, im starting a few bow videos.
Osiyo!! brother. Do you sell any staves?
What's the drawlength of your personal bows?
Great video talon! What sort of bow profile do you use for honey locust?do you treat it like a sap wood or a white wood?
Thanks! You can use a few different profiles for locust, it depends on the draw weight. Under 50 lbs, you can go pretty narrow, but heavier bows need to be wider to accommodate the stress on the belly. Black locust doesnt act like a white wood. It is SUPER hard. More than likely ignites going to break, it's going to be the belly, because its slightly weak in compression
Whoops! Didnt see that you said HONEY locust. Yes treat it like a sap wood, and as a matter of fact, use honey locust sap wood, wider flatbow with narrow tips, reflexes over the whole length to eliminate set, should be good!
Talon Silverhorn I appreciate the help I’ve got a piece with a high crown that may need to be flattened out. I learn a lot from your vids thanks
Do you use the heart wood only with the black locust?
I absolutly share with you the idea that food sovereignty for the original cultures MUST also include game consumption. In my personal opinion, and I am no expert ecologist, is that the native communities should depend less in livestock and more in wild game. If the right to nourish on wild game is to be recognized, this would also lead into more effords for re-introducing species that had long ago desappeared in areas of not just the US, but also from the entirety of the Americas.
This is a very interesting topic, I myself am not native american, you may call me a "white", but still we're all human beings, and food sovereignty is for every single human in this planet, regardless of culture. Every tribe, family, and ultimately every single individual must have the right to sustain himself or herself via resources that the land provides, and show that they can be free and independent from markets and comercially produced goods.
Greetings from Paraguay!
@mike d your initiative is awesome! It's true that most people forgot why do forests are for in thr first place! And I think is a major worldwide issue.
Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro literally sees the Amazonian rainforest as a wasteland, and Paraguayan chaco has been in 2018 among the places that more biomass has lost in the world, and it's for the same reason. In Argentina a national park was created through buying of land, and many of the previous owners of the patches purchased saw what they were doing, they got genuinely disappointed; to them it was a waste of "productive land" to keep trees and wildlife, instead of bringing cattle and deforesting.
So the core issue is our mindset. We believe that the land must be "productive", and productive means over-grazing, over-farming, and deforestation. While this thinking doesn't change, we will still be killing our nature.
Once again, thanks for what you are doing! Every single piece of land you save, whether is forest, rainforest, or even desert, you are saving the world.
@mike d sadly humans are pretty much "extinct in the wild", we've been self domesticated, and just like we want wild animals back in nature, we need ourselves back in nature!
Hopefully one day I could start doing exactly what you are, brother!
what wood and that?
Hickory is a great wood IF you fire harden it. Then it becomes a first class wood. Some have said it equals or surpasses osage after that. Just mentioning.
Talon if you get the chance to fire harden a hickory bow, I think you'll be highly impressed
Oh yeah! I heat treat all my locust bows, and since I've started working with more hickory I'll be sure to do the same
How much do you charge for a bow?
What do you think about English yew wood? And have you ever made a war-club?
I have never worked with english yew, and yes I have made a few war clubs! I have made ball clubs, paddle clubs, and gunstock clubs
I've made one yew bow, It took me a over a year to build from cutting drying only ax rasp was used ,It has lot of curves and nodes ,from Pacific northwest, I'm makeing now a other larger 6 foot yew bow,
@@talonsilverhorn8041 That sounds awesome, I've heard of a tribe using deer antler Warhammer like picks for mele purposes which are similar to the European Warhammer. Do you know anything about those?
Where do you get your black locust from? Is it native to the Williamsburg / eastern Virginia area?
Me and you would get along great
yeah man it is hard to find out elders here in canada. I think like you, I am picking this up, I live manitoulin island, best woods. black ash, red oak n maple.
We do not have anyone that knows knows how to make them. I was told how to do make our ojibway Odawa language that i don’t speak so i had translator. this tree we were given by creator through fasting.
it is difficult as most traditional people do not write things down, language etc.
I am applying to do this full time, any help or direction to good links or people in canada
The tree will tell you what it wants to be. You just have to listen.
Have you gotten to handle many original bows from down your way? What was the typical draw weight?
I think there is mention of natives who encountered De Soto, their bows supposedly being very powerful. Penetrating some pieces of Spanish armour?????
Here just found this (these) account(s).....Natives using their archery skills on De Soto's bunch...thenewworld.us/floridas-native-american-archers/
✨🧸✨🙂👍
Anyone in the Chambers County Alabama area? I just started would love some guidance. Thanks love and respect to everyone
hey man yeah it’s all bull crap, u can’t lose something that was given to a people, the creator is the original source. All we have to do is die(fast) for what we think is lost, prolly won’t get what your asking for but given something else.
I liked the talk your talking, , I am trying to start a business selling bows but realize that that’s not gonna be enough. If there is advice you could talk to me about or just talk to another neech(friend). on me n I’d really appreciate it.