The entire point of the Neuvillette Story Quest is that he is now considered the Symbol of Justice in Fontaine, so the people will rise up and defend not only him but the Melusines that he brought to the nation. The people might celebrate Furina but they practically worship Neuvillete. So: The Oratrice will be destroyed. The machine that used to render final judgement will be no more. The Tsarista will get the Hydro Gnosis, and NEUVILLETE will become the new Final Judgement. The people's trust is with Neuvillette. We will get a Focalors Story Quest 1, but we will get a Neuvillette Story Quest 2. Let's see if I am correct!
7:17 although this might be the case but deinslief said so himself, "but even SHE knows not to make an enemy of the divine" this implies that furina is still the one to judge other gods.
I don't really think that the line from ascention is something that will happen soon. I think is a line that has the intention to show you how exactly would be that character in his "full power", which is the case here. I do think that this can happen some day, but I don't think is anytime soon
Or even is just some kind of "parallel universe ", since the fact that we party up with a lot of different characters from different regions doesn't make any sense either
We are five nations in right now. I think it’s about time the stakes are raised. They spoiled Zhongli and I think Nahida also early so 🤷♀️ and it’s too on the nose that he says the one of the seven authorities. Zhongli’s ascension line says not since giving away his gnosis has he had this much power…which actually happened in the archon quest.
I think the status quo refers more to Fontaine than Teyvat as a whole. Furina is loved by her people, and Neuvillette is the respected chief judge who works with her. If the Furina were to disappear, the people would mourn and the entire system in Fontaine would probably change. After all, Neuvillette would probably rule very differently. In addition, Fontaine not having an archon would effect politics not only in Fontaine but in Teyvat as a whole. Overall, disrupting the status quo of Fontaine would greatly affect the people, to say the least. We know that Neuvillette cares about the people of Fontaine, so it makes sense he would not want to cause so much tumult for them. That's how I interpreted that line anyway. I hope this made sense. Anyway, thanks for the awesome video!
I don't think Neuvillette's final ascension line is a spoiler considering he still has voice lines locked behind ??? at friendship 6 with all current Fontaine archon, world, and story quests done. It'd be nice but doubtful, as much as I really want to see Neuvillette fully restored and for Tsaritsa's plan to fall apart by not getting all the gnoses. And if there is a nation that it'd be plausible she doesn't get the gnosis, Fontaine would be it on account of Neuvillette existing.
Nah I think it's a spoiler. Why would he talk about becoming a full dragon at 4.1. It's obviously a mistake by the devs. I don't even think it's there to create hype because it outright spoils what's going to happen
@@I.disagree I don't think its a mistake. Maybe at best foreshadowing to what might happen in the future, closer to the climax. I did see one person insist that Ascension Lines aren't canon and while that's usually true, Neuvillette's is so specific to what he said in the quest. Whereas other characters have very generic lines.
@@GLoLChibs Foreshadowing usually isn't as direct of a statement as his ascension line. I still genuinely think they made a mistake but maybe I'm wrong. I'm just a bit upset since I wanted to remain clueless on what's going to happen for 4.2's story and that line (even if it isn't even true) removed my sense of mystery
I personally don't think the entirety of the sovereign's authority is in the gnosis. It leaves questions open like why would Focalors need to disappear for it to happen and why would celestia not care about the current 4 archons we've met giving away their gnoses? We also know what Neuv's currently locked voicelines to the other archons say thanks to leaks. Spoilers ahead: He still talks about the other archons as if they have their authority and need to be judged even though none of the current archons are responsible for stealing the sovereign's authorities AND all of them no longer have their gnoses, so judging them makes absolutely 0 sense unless they still do have some portion of the authority.
Given the pattern, after Neuvillete uses the Hydro Gnosis. Assuming that Arlecchino is indeed a weekly boss from the leaks, maybe she will try to force the Gnosis out of Neuvillete. Or Neuvillete would understand the Tsaritsa’s plan to work against Celestia and give the Hydro Gnosis to Arlecchino
@DawitTheDiddler that is assuming he absorbs the gnosis contents, it could be a reason with neuvillette's human form he might not have the capacity to hold on to that power without the gnosis, but this my assumption. So I am leaning towards with him giving the gnosis to arlecchino after the whole event seeing that its the recurring results of past archon quests
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia maybe the 7 gnosis represent more of a physical key to something rather than just things filled with power so it doesnt matter?
I did see leaks saying that Furina will no longer have the title of “Hydro Archon”, which could support the theory of Neuvillette regaining his elemental authority given to him by Furina (assuming she is actually the current hydro archon). Also from the leaks I’ve seen, the weekly boss I saw was a whale, not Arlecchino.
Honestly, I don't think the Gnosis is the stolen authority. Mainly because the Archon does not have to vanish for the Gnosis to be relinquished(and in this context, he is highly likely referring to the Archon's death). Plus, a Gnosis does not make one an Archon, because otherwise, Scara would've become the Electro Archon in the Sumeru Archon quest. Only Celestia could make you an Archon, and well, they'd never grant such a title to Neuvillette.(Also, some other things don't line up, like Venti saying the main purpose of a Gnosis is to connect one to Celestia). Likely, the Archons received more than just a Gnosis in the Archon War. But basically, treating the Gnosis = Stolen power assumption as CANNON when it hasn't been directly confirmed and there's contradicting evidence is something I believe is hasty. Also, Nahida implies that Celestia won't take kindly to anything that threatens their authority over Teyvat, and a Sovereign reclaiming their power would certainly fit the bill, so if that's the strategy to combat the prophecy, then they'd likely just incur Celestial wrath. Here's the thing, Celestia has been infamously inactive in the past as well, so making the assumption that you can get away with anything under broad daylight, even going as far to restore one of their enemies to power, is a very, very dangerous one. (For the point about their lack of attention, it's also important to remember the Archons are prone to moving the Gnoses around and not keeping them on their person, and it can be assumed Celestia really doesn't care what the Archon does with the Gnosis, and they don't really have means of 'sensing' what's happening with the Gnosis. But even still, not even the Fatui have done anything that absolutely guarantees Celestial attention). As a final note, we should be very careful with how to approach ascension lines in terms of cannon, because a lot of them are very contradictory to the actual world-building, and I just take them as flavor text really. Because as far as lore is concerned, every character is already at their full power.
i think maybe some of this sentences when we ascend characters are similar to fanfics, like if they were in this lvl of power they would say/do such things or idk, i remember zhongli says he has a new contract to sign with us or smh, and that doesnt happen in game is left kind of ambiguous like "hum is this true or just fanservice"
I think it is implied that the dragons literally contain the fabric of the world and that if the dragons power would been taken Theyvat would seize to exist. The status quo mentioned is most likely the solution with Irminsul to recreate dreams and memories into reality. However this came at a great cost for the dragon sovereign their power was used to create this pseudo reality. Also believe it is now strongly implied that the traveller gets his/her powers from the dragons authority specifically the dragonking and not the Archons as previously believed. This would suggest that the traveller is much closer related to the dragons and if the archons are trying to uphold status quo as a mission from Celestia, well this would create tension in the future. Regarding Neuvilettes constellations it is wildly believed that the constellations represent the journeys made through Theyvat. Something Lumine mentions. This should be how many times of the cycle of rebirth to fully regain memory of the past. Maybe Irminsul only has the capacity for a certain amount of memories to be downloaded for each cycle. The Abyss would then become the corrupted data of memories Irminsul cannot interpret such as forbidden knowledge. It makes sense if this data comes from the outside world which Irminsul isn't programmed to handle. This is a wild imagination of what hell would look like, since all memories exclusively in Theyvat is about sin atrocities and shame to various degrees. The shell around it would represent the severing of heaven and hell sort of what the Abyss and Theyvat is represented to be. The Abyss creatures would appear as monsters to a sinner, reality is only in the eyes of the beholder revealed by the Melusine world quest. Hell for a demon would be depicted as a lush rainforest sort of how Theyvat is imagined. Heavenly powers would appear as corruption , this is why the sibling sided with the Abyss and not Theyvat. If the shell around Theyvat would break, the "real" world outside of Theyvat would be in danger. The Heavenly Principles are simply put there to prevent this from ever happening. This is why she appears at the start of the game the traveller and her sibling is trying to escape outside of Theyvat through the firnament that is put there to shield Theyvat from the outside world. Now what if that represents the forces needed for the Calamity to exist in the first place Destruction and Rebirth, the foundation of how Theyvat operates. also known as Yin and Yang in the game they go by different names - Aether and Lumine.
We know archons don’t need their gnosis so i wonder if when Furina becomes whole again (assuming she is split up) she rules that neuvillette is more worth of the Genosis (im not fully caught up on 4.1 lore so apologies for msitakes) I also assume that Furina has more to her cuz Celestia isnt stupid they wouldn’t make someone weak and archon
@@GaZeTGKI beg to differ! If you think back to what Nahida tells in 3.2 she says “Focalors makes the final judgement”. Furina so far hasn’t been doing that, but the oratrice does. So her other half is in the oratrice.
Neuvillette is released so early that the lore in his voicelines are still locked maybe that's why they held off Yae Miko til v2.5 for everything to be released first
Perhaps she uses him/gives him authority to stop the prophecy? Hydro slimes always have one big one and a small one (I think?). Maybe Neuvillette is the big slime and Furina is the small one? Both can't work without each other... 🤔🤯
I was just thinking last night, that this revelation about what Neuvillette told us. Spills the beans on the status of the Electro Dragon as well; we don’t have one, or its current sovereign. That’ll explain why we haven’t had any new Electro visions popping up in the world.
i dont really think that the sovereign of all people would want that title, since well, celestia. also the leak of "furina no archon" was pronounced bullshit
I agree w someone who commented about, “it’s in reference to future context, a what if scenario” but I think the reason is purely… bro dies. Maybe a temporary full power ascension at the cost of his life attempt BUT the knave GETS another cheap shot in just like she did Furina. (Scene being furina gives the gnosis, bro knows the cost but tries to sacrifice himself getting the power to stop the prophecy, which is ironically why he mentions he could stop it to the traveler if he did have his originally power.. yet prefers we don’t take that route) Point is I think he’s the first “playable dead character” as the fandom suspects it’s Childe but we were actually onto the devs about one player able deceased character in game, but unlikely it’s actually our dragon sovereign. The C6 is a lil “joke” what if he did achieve the full power ascension nod in the story. Well that’s atleast how I make sense of the devs adding such a lore drop in his C6 🤷♀️
They'd have to do something really creative if Arlecchino somehow kills Neuvillette in his full sovereign form. Even if he was caught off-guard from it
I understand where you are coming from, but destroying them is deferent from switching owners. Perhaps if they are destroyed the power returns to the dragons, which is something they would want to avoid.
There's a possibility that canonically the characters we meet are all at unascended at level 80, because that's what they are when we get them as trial characters...
Yeah i don't what Neuvillette is smoking thinking that he can take on the primordial one when the 7 sovereigns and their army plus the Dragon King himself working together can't literally fight him and they were literally just trying not to die at that point, That's even the reason why The Dragon King went into the abyss to seek further power to give them a chance to fight the Primordial One, that's how massive the gap between their powers are that even the Dragon King needed the Abyssal powers to have a slight chance.
Well he could know something we don't. Such as maybe Celestia is currently severely weakened perhaps from the battle with the second who came. Maybe that is why the Archons were sent to Khanriah. Perhaps Celestia was limited in what they could do directly. Just an idea. Chances are though that in order to take on the Primordial One you would need both Abyssal power AND the 'light' power that Celestia uses (Fully repowered Traveler + Abyss Sibling).
When Neuvillette said "Given the status quo..." I kinda figured he meant that he recognizes the Era of Dragons to be over and the current world doesn't really suit him in a position of ruling over humans. Apep also said something similar, like by the time Nibelung "returned(from dying?)," the world had already changed. Also leaks; Given Neuvillette's voice lines about the Archons, when Neuvillette says he wants to "judge" them, he doesn't seem to immediately mean entering conflict with them. It appears he genuinely just wants to gauge and measure the current holders of power over the world and how well they're actually managing the lives of the people under them. He does state in his Final Ascension that he's now strong enough to deal with them, probably if it ever does come to blows, but it doesn't really seem like going on a killing spree of Archons until he hits Celestia is actually what he's about. Again, it feels like Neuvillette is more or less content with the current state of the world, since for the most part, his life is peaceful in Fontaine and even the Melusines are cared for. I assume his judgements of the Gods basically pertains to making sure they're also doing their work properly and their people aren't in dire straits. Whether he actually means to fight Celestia is also questionable, as maybe he just wants to make sure they're actually working with the best interests of Teyvat in mind. All that said, Neuvillette definitely does sound a bit more uncharacteristically aggressive in his FA. And I think I remember Siegwinne in Act 3 or 4 mentioning she thought Neuvillette would love the Fortress of Meropide because of all the darkness and chaos down there. Since Melusines are seemingly able to see the true nature of things and people, Neuvillette's true nature as the Hydro Sovereign might be a complete 180 of the persona we know now, which might in part be why Neuvillette is content with the current status quo because perhaps regaining his full power as a Sovereign might sway his innate disposition closer to being a tyrant. That'd be really interesting to see put into practice.
That's up to the writers mainly. But if they can find a way to make the Tsaritsa seem innocent by the end of 6.x or so after everything the Fatui's done, they'll probably go the "doing it for the greater good" path where the alternative is somehow worse than the atrocities already committed. And I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to pull the same thing with Phanes whenever we get to them. On paper, one could assume Phanes didn't just show up and start popping off on a random planet of Dragons because they just felt like it one day. That plus all the rest of the work they've put into maintaining Teyvat suggests a greater purpose of some variety. Any judgement Neuvillette could make on Celestia in general would certainly require knowledge on what the motivation was for the initial war with the Dragons for control of Teyvat and whether or not the result of current day Teyvat's state was worth everything it took to get there versus what Teyvat might've become without outside interference. Since the entire game's foreshadowing so far has been one giant Wrestlemania sign pointing towards Celestia Summerslam, I guess we can expect Neuvillette and whatever other forces assemble by then to double down on fighting god in response to Phanes giving some base reasoning like "Teyvat isn't ready for what's outside yet." and then we cue the final set of boss fights ending off with the "sky" falling and everyone going "Oh damn. Maybe Phanes was right but it's too late now so buckle up for Genshin Impact 2nd."
I think furina's going to end up being told the plan is for her to take over the hydro archons gnosis then immediately giving it to Neuvillette in some form of ritual that returns the authority that was taken to its proper place as any true god of justice would do (and then i can see Neuvillette willingly giving her some power (power granted not authority taken, allowing Neuvillette to fight the threat before us (if i was genshin it would also be the perfect opportunity to release level 100 (personally id make it not need ascension materials but instead a trail of ascension quest must be undergone for each character) with the thematic narrative of the dragons authority being returned and boosting Neuvillette and the hydro element on the whole to be able to reach level 100(albeit id release them all at once for convenience sake)
I think the disappear is more metaphorical as in the archon with the gnosis must renounce there title and authority (not just breaking the gnosis but also giving the authority to its original source) effectively we will get a chance to see the result of Nahidas gamble since she doesn't know what would of happened if she destroyed the gnosis Thus we must see the archon disappear (as in the archon will cease to be the archon (though i suppose the people might still respect them as an Archon even if the throne of the archons authority has been destroyed (the seven seats the archon war was fought over
I dont think this ascencion voice lines are actualky canon like were playing with them like they were toys were not next to them like aether or lumine, theyre not actuakly traveling with us, so this whole dialogues are just fanservice theyre not actually canon apart from some of them.
I feel like people forget that only gods can become Archons because all the Archons that we met have only been gods neuvillette been in Archon ruins, entire character and his origins as well. He literally mocks the archons so why would he want to become one of them especially since they serve under Celestia it makes no sense plus in the voicieline. He also says he’s giving the power to us so I’m kind of confused plus it’s implied that the gnosis is a VII dragon authority, but it doesn’t even seem like neuvillette cares much for it, nor do the other dragons as well apep doesn’t even try to mention it at all perhaps what they mean by authorities they really just mean that dominion over the seven elements since the archons were given the authority of celestia then it’s most likely that the gnosis I just a physical embodiment of the authority. The archons have it is specifically for them, but not for the dragons Plus this is a voicelines that we’re talking about and it has been confirmed that neuvillette doesn’t even have the Hydro gnosis nor does he even know where it is I know it seems suspicious, but I don’t think the voice lines are entirely cannon in the story of Genshin they are canon to the characters friendship with each other, but you can only ever listen to them if you have that certain character if you don’t then I don’t think it’s even considered Canon to the story plus the gnosis is most likely infused with divine power, considering the fact that each gnosis looks similar to the arc attach her to Celestia it’s most likely furina is gonna use the gnosis to save Fontaine using both pneuma and oasia energies plus I feel like the main reason celestia hasn’t stepped in to stop the tsaritsa plan is simply because they know she will fail the entire fatui harbengers are based on a play. They’re basically fools to them plus I’m pretty sure an archon giving or having their gnosis being stolen women, awake the heavenly principles, because it’s not something major today, especially since they barely even use it so why would they react so harshly just for that sake the Archons already have the authority over the seven elements with over about the gnosis the gnosis it’s just an extra booster power for them and they don’t really need plus the Gem stones talk about the current Archons of teyvat and tell us a glimpse into the Archons personality the fact that it says magnificence and purity does not match neuvillette at all furina is the god of justice or rather folcalore is so of course, she’s going to judge that the gods and neuvillette does uphold the ideal, despite not being a god so if anything, he’s basically just taking is interpretations of justice from folcalore not furina and dain is referring to furina in the travail trailer and the fact he says she won’t go against the divine neuvillette wants to do the complete opposite. He wants to judge them
I came across a line in the game where the traveler says that "This is the Continent of Teyvat" maybe implying that there are more parts of the world other than Teyvat and the Primodial One sheilding Teyvat from the other parts of the world may support this
maybe the status quo thing means that the sovereign cant have their full power because of the people worshiping the archon? Making people think the archon died would stop that from happening like with zhong
I feel like the idea of Focalors and Furina being two halves of the same being makes a lot of sense, given the Duality and Secrets theme of basically everything in fontaine, from Furinas design (having two separate models and Ousia/Pnuema alignments), down to even the glider which is two halves, one darker one lighter And considering what happened when Lyney attempted to investigate the core of the oratrice, ‘a voice in what should have been an empty room’ , and that Arlechinno mentioned he was tainted by the indemnidium for awhile after being exposed to it, I think it’s very likely that Focalors and the entirety of her divinity is either the core of the Oratrice itself, or something much deeper and more fundamental in the running of Fontaine The Status Quo could be referring locally, to the current system of the Oratrice syphoning indemnidium through trials to power the land, and since Neuvilette knows this, he knows that in order to reclaim the full capacity of his power, he’d have to essentially rework the entire system of Fontaine and the Oratrice itself; Not to mention he’d basically be ousting Furina as a false god
Well now you know how people who watch leaks feel :D Also I love spoilers, don't understand for what reason people avoid them, it just makes the story more interesting for me... somehow... XD
The voice line does not in fact show that the Primordial One won against the second who came (I do think he did win though). It is still somewhat ambiguous due to the in game dialogue. He refers to the Primordial One as the First Usurper. Implying that a second usurpation happened. This could indicate that the Second Who Came won. I think it could still be either. Unless the theory that the Second Who Came was Nibelung returning, changed by abyssal power is true. That would imply he lost.
I actually would be interested if the game goes in the direction of him becoming the archon, we have 2 archons who are not known by their nations, one of them thought to be dead, then we have Ei who became it when her twin died, Nahida is a reincarnated one, and we were shown how humans tried to create an archon, but this could be interesting, where we see someone becoming an archon before our eyes, specifically a dragon, maybe he takes it back and the nation of Fontaine considers him as the new archon, could be cool Also make me excited for Natlan, would really like to see one final type of archon related arch, and that is what if an archon loses, I heard rumors that Capitano or however you spell his name, the captain guy from the Harbingers, who I think is ranked number 1, is supposed to be the strongest human character in the lore, and so I would be interested to see him fight the pyro archon and actually beat her, taking her gnosis by pure force, no tricks, no gimmicks, no ambush, just pure power, could be really interesting arch we see before finally arriving in snezhnaya
I don’t think he gains the gnosis but gains the indemnidium from the court trials as arlechino said why is there a huge sum of indemnidium being created from the oratrice and that from the gnosis so my idea is the gnosis is creating indemnidium for Neuvillete to use that as a power instead of the gnosis
I thought the hydro archon was split into 3? One in the machine, furina and amurita (?, the tree in sumeru, the "previous' hydro archon) also the three chairs/thrones at the boss near the opera
could the giant thing at the end of act 4 be the old hydro soverign, or maybe neuvilette's full dragon form? i know they're called dragons, and the thing at the end looks more fish-whale than dragon, but now i cant get the idea out of my head
+ Neuvillette has suspicious voicelines in cutscene with primordial sea. He states that he has to overrule someone’s too cruel sentence to people of Fontaine. But he add some sort of respect to this someone, I can’t imagine anyone else besides dragons for him to give respect.
the only problem with this is neuvillette just got his full dragon form back, childe saw this same whale when he was 14 which was years before neuvillette could have gotten the gnosis. In regards to who neuvillette was talking to I know the answer, but im pretty sure its a spoiler
That thing is very obviously the whale Childe awakened when he fell into the abyss (the one he tells us about when we first meet him in Fontaine, in the same conversation in which he gives us his vision).
I don't think the authority is related to gnosis, since venti and zhongli and ei still can use their powers without any problems; even without the gnosis. Venti also mentioned somewhere that a gnosis is not really essential for archonhood
@@ameydeshpande5594 hmm. Zhongli stated that creating mora is the power of the geo archon, however when he rid himself of his gnosis he stopped being the geo archon. Azdaha was able sense this from zhongli
From what we have seen from the two dragon sovereigns, they dont seem evil aside from apep's hatred for the PO which is justified.. the PO and celestia are truly evil :S
Except for the fact that celestia has been holding teyvat together against the impending threat of the abyss. Sealing it in place and repelling it to whence it came. Imho celestia is the least of the evils considering as far as things go they’ve been doing stuff to keep the world together. The sovereigns clearly haven’t, seeing as they brought a lot of abyssal energy into the world in the first place. Abyssal energy which harms them as well.
Begs the question How many other Elemental Sovereigns have been reincarnated? And how many of them are going to help our journey, and how many of them will stop us?
if this is true.................................................................................................................................... im nuking hoyo HQ
The entire point of the Neuvillette Story Quest is that he is now considered the Symbol of Justice in Fontaine, so the people will rise up and defend not only him but the Melusines that he brought to the nation. The people might celebrate Furina but they practically worship Neuvillete.
So:
The Oratrice will be destroyed. The machine that used to render final judgement will be no more. The Tsarista will get the Hydro Gnosis, and NEUVILLETE will become the new Final Judgement. The people's trust is with Neuvillette.
We will get a Focalors Story Quest 1, but we will get a Neuvillette Story Quest 2. Let's see if I am correct!
I neither agree nor disagree, but i'm with you here, bud 🤝
They are going for a full on French Revolution on that one if your theory is true !
7:17 although this might be the case but deinslief said so himself, "but even SHE knows not to make an enemy of the divine" this implies that furina is still the one to judge other gods.
I don't really think that the line from ascention is something that will happen soon.
I think is a line that has the intention to show you how exactly would be that character in his "full power", which is the case here.
I do think that this can happen some day, but I don't think is anytime soon
Or even is just some kind of "parallel universe ", since the fact that we party up with a lot of different characters from different regions doesn't make any sense either
Even Zhongli has a similar line of regaining his power as well.
We are five nations in right now. I think it’s about time the stakes are raised. They spoiled Zhongli and I think Nahida also early so 🤷♀️ and it’s too on the nose that he says the one of the seven authorities. Zhongli’s ascension line says not since giving away his gnosis has he had this much power…which actually happened in the archon quest.
I think the status quo refers more to Fontaine than Teyvat as a whole. Furina is loved by her people, and Neuvillette is the respected chief judge who works with her. If the Furina were to disappear, the people would mourn and the entire system in Fontaine would probably change. After all, Neuvillette would probably rule very differently. In addition, Fontaine not having an archon would effect politics not only in Fontaine but in Teyvat as a whole. Overall, disrupting the status quo of Fontaine would greatly affect the people, to say the least. We know that Neuvillette cares about the people of Fontaine, so it makes sense he would not want to cause so much tumult for them.
That's how I interpreted that line anyway. I hope this made sense. Anyway, thanks for the awesome video!
I don't think Neuvillette's final ascension line is a spoiler considering he still has voice lines locked behind ??? at friendship 6 with all current Fontaine archon, world, and story quests done.
It'd be nice but doubtful, as much as I really want to see Neuvillette fully restored and for Tsaritsa's plan to fall apart by not getting all the gnoses. And if there is a nation that it'd be plausible she doesn't get the gnosis, Fontaine would be it on account of Neuvillette existing.
Nah I think it's a spoiler. Why would he talk about becoming a full dragon at 4.1. It's obviously a mistake by the devs. I don't even think it's there to create hype because it outright spoils what's going to happen
@@I.disagree I don't think its a mistake. Maybe at best foreshadowing to what might happen in the future, closer to the climax. I did see one person insist that Ascension Lines aren't canon and while that's usually true, Neuvillette's is so specific to what he said in the quest. Whereas other characters have very generic lines.
Well under his name it does say ancient dragons authority hydro
@@GLoLChibs Foreshadowing usually isn't as direct of a statement as his ascension line. I still genuinely think they made a mistake but maybe I'm wrong. I'm just a bit upset since I wanted to remain clueless on what's going to happen for 4.2's story and that line (even if it isn't even true) removed my sense of mystery
I personally don't think the entirety of the sovereign's authority is in the gnosis. It leaves questions open like why would Focalors need to disappear for it to happen and why would celestia not care about the current 4 archons we've met giving away their gnoses?
We also know what Neuv's currently locked voicelines to the other archons say thanks to leaks. Spoilers ahead:
He still talks about the other archons as if they have their authority and need to be judged even though none of the current archons are responsible for stealing the sovereign's authorities AND all of them no longer have their gnoses, so judging them makes absolutely 0 sense unless they still do have some portion of the authority.
real hydro archon was cookin in that machine
sending tartaglia to the primodiel sea source for some reason
Given the pattern, after Neuvillete uses the Hydro Gnosis. Assuming that Arlecchino is indeed a weekly boss from the leaks, maybe she will try to force the Gnosis out of Neuvillete. Or Neuvillete would understand the Tsaritsa’s plan to work against Celestia and give the Hydro Gnosis to Arlecchino
but if he gets his powers from it wouldnt it be empty? what good is a gnosis with no elemental power
the weekly boss is the whale its been basically confirmed
@DawitTheDiddler that is assuming he absorbs the gnosis contents, it could be a reason with neuvillette's human form he might not have the capacity to hold on to that power without the gnosis, but this my assumption. So I am leaning towards with him giving the gnosis to arlecchino after the whole event seeing that its the recurring results of past archon quests
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia maybe the 7 gnosis represent more of a physical key to something rather than just things filled with power so it doesnt matter?
I did see leaks saying that Furina will no longer have the title of “Hydro Archon”, which could support the theory of Neuvillette regaining his elemental authority given to him by Furina (assuming she is actually the current hydro archon). Also from the leaks I’ve seen, the weekly boss I saw was a whale, not Arlecchino.
Honestly, I don't think the Gnosis is the stolen authority. Mainly because the Archon does not have to vanish for the Gnosis to be relinquished(and in this context, he is highly likely referring to the Archon's death). Plus, a Gnosis does not make one an Archon, because otherwise, Scara would've become the Electro Archon in the Sumeru Archon quest. Only Celestia could make you an Archon, and well, they'd never grant such a title to Neuvillette.(Also, some other things don't line up, like Venti saying the main purpose of a Gnosis is to connect one to Celestia). Likely, the Archons received more than just a Gnosis in the Archon War. But basically, treating the Gnosis = Stolen power assumption as CANNON when it hasn't been directly confirmed and there's contradicting evidence is something I believe is hasty.
Also, Nahida implies that Celestia won't take kindly to anything that threatens their authority over Teyvat, and a Sovereign reclaiming their power would certainly fit the bill, so if that's the strategy to combat the prophecy, then they'd likely just incur Celestial wrath. Here's the thing, Celestia has been infamously inactive in the past as well, so making the assumption that you can get away with anything under broad daylight, even going as far to restore one of their enemies to power, is a very, very dangerous one. (For the point about their lack of attention, it's also important to remember the Archons are prone to moving the Gnoses around and not keeping them on their person, and it can be assumed Celestia really doesn't care what the Archon does with the Gnosis, and they don't really have means of 'sensing' what's happening with the Gnosis. But even still, not even the Fatui have done anything that absolutely guarantees Celestial attention).
As a final note, we should be very careful with how to approach ascension lines in terms of cannon, because a lot of them are very contradictory to the actual world-building, and I just take them as flavor text really. Because as far as lore is concerned, every character is already at their full power.
UNDERRATED AF (love this vid btw, i usually just focus on lore relating to the traveler and this voice line tottally missed me lol)
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imagine lore wise he needs a couple pearls unicorn horns and starfish are all he needs
i think maybe some of this sentences when we ascend characters are similar to fanfics, like if they were in this lvl of power they would say/do such things or idk, i remember zhongli says he has a new contract to sign with us or smh, and that doesnt happen in game is left kind of ambiguous like "hum is this true or just fanservice"
I think it is implied that the dragons literally contain the fabric of the world and that if the dragons power would been taken Theyvat would seize to exist. The status quo mentioned is most likely the solution with Irminsul to recreate dreams and memories into reality. However this came at a great cost for the dragon sovereign their power was used to create this pseudo reality. Also believe it is now strongly implied that the traveller gets his/her powers from the dragons authority specifically the dragonking and not the Archons as previously believed. This would suggest that the traveller is much closer related to the dragons and if the archons are trying to uphold status quo as a mission from Celestia, well this would create tension in the future. Regarding Neuvilettes constellations it is wildly believed that the constellations represent the journeys made through Theyvat. Something Lumine mentions. This should be how many times of the cycle of rebirth to fully regain memory of the past. Maybe Irminsul only has the capacity for a certain amount of memories to be downloaded for each cycle. The Abyss would then become the corrupted data of memories Irminsul cannot interpret such as forbidden knowledge. It makes sense if this data comes from the outside world which Irminsul isn't programmed to handle. This is a wild imagination of what hell would look like, since all memories exclusively in Theyvat is about sin atrocities and shame to various degrees.
The shell around it would represent the severing of heaven and hell sort of what the Abyss and Theyvat is represented to be. The Abyss creatures would appear as monsters to a sinner, reality is only in the eyes of the beholder revealed by the Melusine world quest. Hell for a demon would be depicted as a lush rainforest sort of how Theyvat is imagined. Heavenly powers would appear as corruption , this is why the sibling sided with the Abyss and not Theyvat. If the shell around Theyvat would break, the "real" world outside of Theyvat would be in danger. The Heavenly Principles are simply put there to prevent this from ever happening. This is why she appears at the start of the game the traveller and her sibling is trying to escape outside of Theyvat through the firnament that is put there to shield Theyvat from the outside world. Now what if that represents the forces needed for the Calamity to exist in the first place Destruction and Rebirth, the foundation of how Theyvat operates. also known as Yin and Yang in the game they go by different names - Aether and Lumine.
We know archons don’t need their gnosis so i wonder if when Furina becomes whole again (assuming she is split up) she rules that neuvillette is more worth of the Genosis (im not fully caught up on 4.1 lore so apologies for msitakes)
I also assume that Furina has more to her cuz Celestia isnt stupid they wouldn’t make someone weak and archon
yea its kinda wild we know nothing about her ascension other then the lockfolk hated it lol
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia yup 😭
Shes not split up seeing it by her gameplay
@@GaZeTGK i mean i feel like it may be a raiden situation where the gameplay doesn’t really tell us anything but voicelines do
@@GaZeTGKI beg to differ! If you think back to what Nahida tells in 3.2 she says “Focalors makes the final judgement”. Furina so far hasn’t been doing that, but the oratrice does. So her other half is in the oratrice.
Neuvillette is released so early that the lore in his voicelines are still locked maybe that's why they held off Yae Miko til v2.5 for everything to be released first
Perhaps she uses him/gives him authority to stop the prophecy? Hydro slimes always have one big one and a small one (I think?). Maybe Neuvillette is the big slime and Furina is the small one? Both can't work without each other... 🤔🤯
I was just thinking last night, that this revelation about what Neuvillette told us. Spills the beans on the status of the Electro Dragon as well; we don’t have one, or its current sovereign. That’ll explain why we haven’t had any new Electro visions popping up in the world.
That last ascension voice line... wow. If that's true, then I guess Neuveillette is the hydro archon... or is about to become one.
yea but it feels to obvious, like why leave this in? I really think hoyo could be baiting
i dont really think that the sovereign of all people would want that title, since well, celestia. also the leak of "furina no archon" was pronounced bullshit
Nah He will be a Dragon and dismantle the "Hydro Archon" Title
what a fucking downgrade if he will become an archon lmao. Sovereigns are higher than archons. if anything, he could get the power stolen from him.
How would he become an archon when the power is rightfully his and the archons were created be the usurper king 🤦🏾♂️
I agree w someone who commented about, “it’s in reference to future context, a what if scenario” but I think the reason is purely… bro dies. Maybe a temporary full power ascension at the cost of his life attempt BUT the knave GETS another cheap shot in just like she did Furina. (Scene being furina gives the gnosis, bro knows the cost but tries to sacrifice himself getting the power to stop the prophecy, which is ironically why he mentions he could stop it to the traveler if he did have his originally power.. yet prefers we don’t take that route) Point is I think he’s the first “playable dead character” as the fandom suspects it’s Childe but we were actually onto the devs about one player able deceased character in game, but unlikely it’s actually our dragon sovereign. The C6 is a lil “joke” what if he did achieve the full power ascension nod in the story.
Well that’s atleast how I make sense of the devs adding such a lore drop in his C6 🤷♀️
They'd have to do something really creative if Arlecchino somehow kills Neuvillette in his full sovereign form. Even if he was caught off-guard from it
I understand where you are coming from, but destroying them is deferent from switching owners. Perhaps if they are destroyed the power returns to the dragons, which is something they would want to avoid.
There's a possibility that canonically the characters we meet are all at unascended at level 80, because that's what they are when we get them as trial characters...
Yeah i don't what Neuvillette is smoking thinking that he can take on the primordial one when the 7 sovereigns and their army plus the Dragon King himself working together can't literally fight him and they were literally just trying not to die at that point, That's even the reason why The Dragon King went into the abyss to seek further power to give them a chance to fight the Primordial One, that's how massive the gap between their powers are that even the Dragon King needed the Abyssal powers to have a slight chance.
Well he could know something we don't. Such as maybe Celestia is currently severely weakened perhaps from the battle with the second who came. Maybe that is why the Archons were sent to Khanriah. Perhaps Celestia was limited in what they could do directly. Just an idea. Chances are though that in order to take on the Primordial One you would need both Abyssal power AND the 'light' power that Celestia uses (Fully repowered Traveler + Abyss Sibling).
When Neuvillette said "Given the status quo..." I kinda figured he meant that he recognizes the Era of Dragons to be over and the current world doesn't really suit him in a position of ruling over humans. Apep also said something similar, like by the time Nibelung "returned(from dying?)," the world had already changed. Also leaks;
Given Neuvillette's voice lines about the Archons, when Neuvillette says he wants to "judge" them, he doesn't seem to immediately mean entering conflict with them. It appears he genuinely just wants to gauge and measure the current holders of power over the world and how well they're actually managing the lives of the people under them. He does state in his Final Ascension that he's now strong enough to deal with them, probably if it ever does come to blows, but it doesn't really seem like going on a killing spree of Archons until he hits Celestia is actually what he's about.
Again, it feels like Neuvillette is more or less content with the current state of the world, since for the most part, his life is peaceful in Fontaine and even the Melusines are cared for. I assume his judgements of the Gods basically pertains to making sure they're also doing their work properly and their people aren't in dire straits. Whether he actually means to fight Celestia is also questionable, as maybe he just wants to make sure they're actually working with the best interests of Teyvat in mind.
All that said, Neuvillette definitely does sound a bit more uncharacteristically aggressive in his FA. And I think I remember Siegwinne in Act 3 or 4 mentioning she thought Neuvillette would love the Fortress of Meropide because of all the darkness and chaos down there. Since Melusines are seemingly able to see the true nature of things and people, Neuvillette's true nature as the Hydro Sovereign might be a complete 180 of the persona we know now, which might in part be why Neuvillette is content with the current status quo because perhaps regaining his full power as a Sovereign might sway his innate disposition closer to being a tyrant. That'd be really interesting to see put into practice.
Sure, but wanting to judge the highest king in the heavens above? In what world is Phanes found innocent and what happens after that?
That's up to the writers mainly. But if they can find a way to make the Tsaritsa seem innocent by the end of 6.x or so after everything the Fatui's done, they'll probably go the "doing it for the greater good" path where the alternative is somehow worse than the atrocities already committed.
And I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to pull the same thing with Phanes whenever we get to them. On paper, one could assume Phanes didn't just show up and start popping off on a random planet of Dragons because they just felt like it one day. That plus all the rest of the work they've put into maintaining Teyvat suggests a greater purpose of some variety. Any judgement Neuvillette could make on Celestia in general would certainly require knowledge on what the motivation was for the initial war with the Dragons for control of Teyvat and whether or not the result of current day Teyvat's state was worth everything it took to get there versus what Teyvat might've become without outside interference.
Since the entire game's foreshadowing so far has been one giant Wrestlemania sign pointing towards Celestia Summerslam, I guess we can expect Neuvillette and whatever other forces assemble by then to double down on fighting god in response to Phanes giving some base reasoning like "Teyvat isn't ready for what's outside yet." and then we cue the final set of boss fights ending off with the "sky" falling and everyone going "Oh damn. Maybe Phanes was right but it's too late now so buckle up for Genshin Impact 2nd."
I think furina's going to end up being told the plan is for her to take over the hydro archons gnosis then immediately giving it to Neuvillette in some form of ritual that returns the authority that was taken to its proper place as any true god of justice would do (and then i can see Neuvillette willingly giving her some power (power granted not authority taken, allowing Neuvillette to fight the threat before us (if i was genshin it would also be the perfect opportunity to release level 100 (personally id make it not need ascension materials but instead a trail of ascension quest must be undergone for each character) with the thematic narrative of the dragons authority being returned and boosting Neuvillette and the hydro element on the whole to be able to reach level 100(albeit id release them all at once for convenience sake)
I think the disappear is more metaphorical as in the archon with the gnosis must renounce there title and authority (not just breaking the gnosis but also giving the authority to its original source) effectively we will get a chance to see the result of Nahidas gamble since she doesn't know what would of happened if she destroyed the gnosis
Thus we must see the archon disappear (as in the archon will cease to be the archon (though i suppose the people might still respect them as an Archon even if the throne of the archons authority has been destroyed (the seven seats the archon war was fought over
Can we really KNOW that Authority = Gnosis? I don't think we truly know that yet.
I dont think this ascencion voice lines are actualky canon like were playing with them like they were toys were not next to them like aether or lumine, theyre not actuakly traveling with us, so this whole dialogues are just fanservice theyre not actually canon apart from some of them.
I feel like people forget that only gods can become Archons because all the Archons that we met have only been gods neuvillette been in Archon ruins, entire character and his origins as well. He literally mocks the archons so why would he want to become one of them especially since they serve under Celestia it makes no sense plus in the voicieline. He also says he’s giving the power to us so I’m kind of confused plus it’s implied that the gnosis is a VII dragon authority, but it doesn’t even seem like neuvillette cares much for it, nor do the other dragons as well apep doesn’t even try to mention it at all perhaps what they mean by authorities they really just mean that dominion over the seven elements since the archons were given the authority of celestia then it’s most likely that the gnosis I just a physical embodiment of the authority. The archons have it is specifically for them, but not for the dragons Plus this is a voicelines that we’re talking about and it has been confirmed that neuvillette doesn’t even have the Hydro gnosis nor does he even know where it is I know it seems suspicious, but I don’t think the voice lines are entirely cannon in the story of Genshin they are canon to the characters friendship with each other, but you can only ever listen to them if you have that certain character if you don’t then I don’t think it’s even considered Canon to the story plus the gnosis is most likely infused with divine power, considering the fact that each gnosis looks similar to the arc attach her to Celestia it’s most likely furina is gonna use the gnosis to save Fontaine using both pneuma and oasia energies plus I feel like the main reason celestia hasn’t stepped in to stop the tsaritsa plan is simply because they know she will fail the entire fatui harbengers are based on a play. They’re basically fools to them plus I’m pretty sure an archon giving or having their gnosis being stolen women, awake the heavenly principles, because it’s not something major today, especially since they barely even use it so why would they react so harshly just for that sake the Archons already have the authority over the seven elements with over about the gnosis the gnosis it’s just an extra booster power for them and they don’t really need plus the Gem stones talk about the current Archons of teyvat and tell us a glimpse into the Archons personality the fact that it says magnificence and purity does not match neuvillette at all furina is the god of justice or rather folcalore is so of course, she’s going to judge that the gods and neuvillette does uphold the ideal, despite not being a god so if anything, he’s basically just taking is interpretations of justice from folcalore not furina and dain is referring to furina in the travail trailer and the fact he says she won’t go against the divine neuvillette wants to do the complete opposite. He wants to judge them
I came across a line in the game where the traveler says that "This is the Continent of Teyvat" maybe implying that there are more parts of the world other than Teyvat and the Primodial One sheilding Teyvat from the other parts of the world may support this
yes teyvat is just a small part of the unnamed world
maybe the status quo thing means that the sovereign cant have their full power because of the people worshiping the archon? Making people think the archon died would stop that from happening like with zhong
Nah. Furina leaks indicate people still see her as the Archon.
I feel like the idea of Focalors and Furina being two halves of the same being makes a lot of sense, given the Duality and Secrets theme of basically everything in fontaine, from Furinas design (having two separate models and Ousia/Pnuema alignments), down to even the glider which is two halves, one darker one lighter
And considering what happened when Lyney attempted to investigate the core of the oratrice, ‘a voice in what should have been an empty room’ , and that Arlechinno mentioned he was tainted by the indemnidium for awhile after being exposed to it, I think it’s very likely that Focalors and the entirety of her divinity is either the core of the Oratrice itself, or something much deeper and more fundamental in the running of Fontaine
The Status Quo could be referring locally, to the current system of the Oratrice syphoning indemnidium through trials to power the land, and since Neuvilette knows this, he knows that in order to reclaim the full capacity of his power, he’d have to essentially rework the entire system of Fontaine and the Oratrice itself; Not to mention he’d basically be ousting Furina as a false god
If Neuvillete takes the gnosis from the Oratrice/Focalors, the justice system of Fontaine will kinda(?) crumble, thus changing the status quo?
Bro was right (in a way) in this video about focalors
no way they spoiled it like that 😭 wtf
RIGHT
Well now you know how people who watch leaks feel :D Also I love spoilers, don't understand for what reason people avoid them, it just makes the story more interesting for me... somehow... XD
The voice line does not in fact show that the Primordial One won against the second who came (I do think he did win though). It is still somewhat ambiguous due to the in game dialogue. He refers to the Primordial One as the First Usurper. Implying that a second usurpation happened. This could indicate that the Second Who Came won. I think it could still be either. Unless the theory that the Second Who Came was Nibelung returning, changed by abyssal power is true. That would imply he lost.
i mean in the trailer for the game for the fontaine section it says the hydro archon wants to judge all the gods
I actually would be interested if the game goes in the direction of him becoming the archon, we have 2 archons who are not known by their nations, one of them thought to be dead, then we have Ei who became it when her twin died, Nahida is a reincarnated one, and we were shown how humans tried to create an archon, but this could be interesting, where we see someone becoming an archon before our eyes, specifically a dragon, maybe he takes it back and the nation of Fontaine considers him as the new archon, could be cool
Also make me excited for Natlan, would really like to see one final type of archon related arch, and that is what if an archon loses, I heard rumors that Capitano or however you spell his name, the captain guy from the Harbingers, who I think is ranked number 1, is supposed to be the strongest human character in the lore, and so I would be interested to see him fight the pyro archon and actually beat her, taking her gnosis by pure force, no tricks, no gimmicks, no ambush, just pure power, could be really interesting arch we see before finally arriving in snezhnaya
natlans weird, we dont know if murata is the pyro archon still and even stranger is they could have 2 archons
I think this is a bait. Probably he will regain his authority, but not now(maybe in Khanreah arc). Furina will save Fontaine somehow...
maybe focalors fuses with furina’s body and they become one. thus, focalors “disappears” so neuvillette will be able to gain the hydro gnosis
I don’t think he gains the gnosis but gains the indemnidium from the court trials as arlechino said why is there a huge sum of indemnidium being created from the oratrice and that from the gnosis so my idea is the gnosis is creating indemnidium for Neuvillete to use that as a power instead of the gnosis
I thought the hydro archon was split into 3? One in the machine, furina and amurita (?, the tree in sumeru, the "previous' hydro archon) also the three chairs/thrones at the boss near the opera
could the giant thing at the end of act 4 be the old hydro soverign, or maybe neuvilette's full dragon form? i know they're called dragons, and the thing at the end looks more fish-whale than dragon, but now i cant get the idea out of my head
+ Neuvillette has suspicious voicelines in cutscene with primordial sea. He states that he has to overrule someone’s too cruel sentence to people of Fontaine. But he add some sort of respect to this someone, I can’t imagine anyone else besides dragons for him to give respect.
the only problem with this is neuvillette just got his full dragon form back, childe saw this same whale when he was 14 which was years before neuvillette could have gotten the gnosis. In regards to who neuvillette was talking to I know the answer, but im pretty sure its a spoiler
That thing is very obviously the whale Childe awakened when he fell into the abyss (the one he tells us about when we first meet him in Fontaine, in the same conversation in which he gives us his vision).
Might probably Focalors die and now she pass the authority to him.
I don't think the authority is related to gnosis, since venti and zhongli and ei still can use their powers without any problems; even without the gnosis. Venti also mentioned somewhere that a gnosis is not really essential for archonhood
gods are still gods without the gnosis but they arent archons. zhonlgi for instance cant make mora anymore
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I think that's more of a retirement than an inability
@@ameydeshpande5594 hmm. Zhongli stated that creating mora is the power of the geo archon, however when he rid himself of his gnosis he stopped being the geo archon. Azdaha was able sense this from zhongli
gnosis are nothing but power boosting items they dont make you a god just make you stronger anyone could use it if they got their hands on it.
Even if he has the Power of the Gnosis.
Archons remain ARCHONS Even without it.
Remember Venti.
i personally dont think archons are archons without the gnosis. Zhongli said he was no longer the geo archon after losing his gnosis
Poor ruu.
From what we have seen from the two dragon sovereigns, they dont seem evil aside from apep's hatred for the PO which is justified.. the PO and celestia are truly evil :S
games the game got invaded and lost, happens lol
Except for the fact that celestia has been holding teyvat together against the impending threat of the abyss. Sealing it in place and repelling it to whence it came.
Imho celestia is the least of the evils considering as far as things go they’ve been doing stuff to keep the world together. The sovereigns clearly haven’t, seeing as they brought a lot of abyssal energy into the world in the first place. Abyssal energy which harms them as well.
most probably. if the archon lineage disappear.
Poor ruu
it’s so weird Furina seams so useless to me as a archon she doesn’t even have a passion for justice like what’s she’s here for?
Im so close yet so far
He's the first character who don't have a vision right ??
other then traveler im pretty sure ya. venti has a fake one tho. not sure about the other archons
They have three thrones so there was 3 hydro arhons before
wdym 3 thrones? if thats the case I can think egeria, remus (if he counts) and who else?
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Yes, you can see it in the game where we fight ice duo boss.
Begs the question
How many other Elemental Sovereigns have been reincarnated?
And how many of them are going to help our journey, and how many of them will stop us?
Vishaps are elementa sovereign reincarnations
Nuvilette will not get the gnosis, becouse the Fatui need the gnosis for the "Plot"
plot armor op
why? why some people says neRvilette?
You call him Nervillette? Istead of Neuvillette?
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i dont think ascension lines are canon?
yea it could be sus but tbf the level up books are cannon
Speak clearer. Stop mumbling slangs
yes master
if this is true....................................................................................................................................
im nuking hoyo HQ
EXTRA LONG GAP THIS TIME HUH?